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EPISODE: Episode 7
After debating the merits and potential outcomes of legendary fighters from the past, Kristian and Graeme continue their discussion as to whether or not there is a heavyweight boxer on the planet who can beat Tyson Fury today.
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[, Music, ], [, Music, ], hello boxes fans around the world.
Thank you once again for joining us for another episode featuring christian from boxing 247 myself, graham from talkandfight.
com, and the battle continues, the debate continues.
Uh tyson fury who’s.
He gon na face.
Really.
Truly, i mean i can’t believe what i read from eddie hearn but uh.
Why don’t you start it off? Uh sure you got some comments.
Okay, i’m going to wind back the clock to last night because silva said that this wasn’t finished and um.
How could i put this bluntly uh last night, i was talking a load of shh, i put it nice shite, and there is a very good reason this morning on this uh from a very sc long school run.
Penny dropped me something i just thought, my god.
How did i get lured into this way of thinking – and i was nearly there yesterday, but not quite, and it makes a huge difference now in all honesty, graham, can you in a very sh uh in a one sentence? Can you describe wilder for me in um how good he is you know, is he effective and is he a good or reasonable opponent he’s only lost to one man? That’S tyson fury um his records speak for itself.
I mean he has only lost to one man.
He’S got uh 41 of his 42 victories came by way of knockout, so uh, if you’re, judging him by his record, i’d have to say he’s an excellent fighter, but he wasn’t good enough uh to be tyson fury so, okay, who other than uh? Oh, we didn’t beat him.
So what was the best say? Three wins on wilder’s record jesus uh i’d really have to research, something gon na hate me do you? Do you really want me to google it and pick them? Because i’d have to go because because this is the thing first off, does anything jump out at you and the answer is no no, and we we have this, that’s that before in previous episodes yeah.
So i’m gon na go over this and then i’m gon na go in a different direction.
Okay, the best wins got ta, be uh, lewis ortiz, bearing in mind the second fight he was being beaten and then also behind on points and then later on.
He pulled out that big punch um, i do think the best performance actually was the first one, because, yes, he was he was down, but he did fight back from adversity.
Louis louis ortiz in himself, if that is the best victory, has got a very tainted record himself and there’s a record that was built on promise because, really, if you go over to lewis ortiz, what’s the best win on his record, it is nothing which is a Big complaint and it is a genuine complaint from boxing fans when it comes to um louis ortiz and his record now the best win on his record and where he got this boogeyman or bogeyman boogerman, whatever so halloween’s confusing uh the boogeyman.
He uh, i think, actually fury labelled him with with that title, but it all came um and his stock rose after knocking out brian jennings in the what was it the ninth round 11th round it was.
It was late like that jennings haven’t got his reputation from going the distance when he was unbeaten to vladimir klitschko now.
Lewis’S record is not very good, because that is the best win, which is not really very good.
Louis ortiz, therefore, is his reputation and his promise is built on promise wilder’s record.
That is the best victory other than that you’ve got to think.
You need to go.
Go to google, because there is nothing that stands out.
You could say: dominic brazil.
First round: okay, um brett, brazil, you know former american football player um.
You could say that the chap drama boy um eric molina, um school teacher uh and he folds against anyone that is near um top ish level anyway or not.
As the case is now um, it’s not very good now the point i’m guessing um with what you know where i’m going with this is the fact that we are now and a lot of people are doing this and myself included yesterday, because i was lured in And then it the penny dropped earlier.
We are basing this absolute reputation, this stature, this um big bubble now of tyson, fury being possibly one of the best of all time on the back: i’ve beaten, wilder and 40 year old klitschko yeah.
So that really did stick with me with me this morning and i thought hold on a second right.
So let’s his best win is, i think, boulder especially you know it was life and death, and that was a better fight than the others.
The second one was beat down.
You could argue that wilder uh wasn’t as good then come more effectively in the the third fight, all the rest of it.
Um klitschko 40 year old.
That was a matter of time before somebody beat him but being fair.
I think – and i made a point of watching for about a couple of rounds three rounds earlier today.
The only uh youtube i got to see.
I watched you know a couple of rounds from the vladimir klitschko fight with fury, and i do think now that his best um form um is as a boxer in that fight, because that fighter there was okay jerky.
That was quick.
That was absolutely dancing like you know.
You wouldn’t believe a heavyweight to to fight like that um.
That i think, is the more effective heavyweight, and that is the one i think that would go in and do well with all the fighters in the past.
Not this heavy fighter that effectively has been built that way.
Put that way with this, this weight, in which he’s never fought at before.
Okay, two and three in in wilder fights.
You know that weight was put on to counter wilder semi specifically, i know it came after the uh dawn in fight that um.
You know they wanted ben davidson pulled out the corner new trainer in the trainer.
The decision was get him up in weight, make him more solid, but he’s only slower um and when you look at the technique – and i’m not fury bashing whatsoever because he’s been effective, he’s unbeaten.
But if you look at the way in which he punched in the second fight and the third fight the way his attacks are the way he loops the punches.
The way he’s boxing, it is not as good as the fighter that was in with vladimir klitschko those years ago, and i think that fighter now, slower, still quick and still very quick for a man of that size would be open to a top-tier heavyweight.
That is got to be a minimum of something like 220 pounds.
You know you know again.
We know going back to the the older fighters, the 183 185 uh pound marcianos.
You know cassius clay’s 190, something muhammad ali early 200s later on the crew going up to 220 to 30 to that extreme.
But it’s got to be a fighter minimum to to to counter that that disadvantage and um any elite fighter that we named one.
No, no doesn’t stand a chance.
Hollyfield, it’s got to.
I’M sorry has got to stand a chance if not win against that version.
Now not the one that fought klitschko that to me was the formidable boxing machine that you know, because great boxer, quick everything which the others would have.
Maybe you know as the advantage over the fury now, but he still has that point.
The six foot – nine he’s not as heavy but mobile, i’m sorry that fighter that night is the more effective fury.
The one now to the top tier heavyweights above 220 would stand a chance, uh, maybe not knocking him out or or if they knocked him down.
They would keep him down, and that includes mike tyson specifically as well.
I know his average weight.
You know early days was 215 to 220, but i still think he would do it because that’s one thing with fury uh as it appeared throughout his career.
He actually struggled with shorts of fighters, i.
e, steve cunningham, coming up low, knocking him down.
He wasn’t hurt he caught up with cunningham in in the middle rounds, but he wasn’t hurt.
That was a short fighter coming down, and i think that i think that actually would be a definite mike tyson win, because that good old thing styles make fights.
I’M protesting yes because i do think he is the best maybe at heavyweight, but i think you know it’s.
I got it all wrong and i think this slower one that was effective and has done the job on wilder twice arguably three times, but that you know that was right for wilder but doesn’t mean that would be right for some of the top tiers.
The lewis is the hollyfields, the tyson, the top tier, the the bow, someone that, where the the weight disparity um is not so great, but there would be obviously a disparity there, but because they are such a heavy-handed and obviously with all the attributes that got them To the legendary status that would negate what um fury, i think has to offer and goes against what i said yesterday, yeah so you’re, saying you’re, saying in a roundabout way.
Yes in their respective primes, three fighters in particular, could beat the tyson fury of today.
The heavy one now yes, yes got it, i what was going on in my mind as i was walking around uh audi, actually other supermarkets available um was, i recall, from the second fight the attacks that were effective against wilder in that beat down which the second Fight was, and those kind of punches that he was connecting with with welder.
He would not get away with those punches with a top tier fighter from the past, because wilder isn’t top tier he’s just been one of the best.
Probably still is one of the best.
Now in this generation, but that is not other generations, and it’s something that i i think a lot of people um have been and that was included myself yesterday believe in the hype being drawn in because it was, you know, being very emotional with the decision with The way of looking at it because of what we went through saturday witnessing a great fight which he overcame but hold on hold on reality check really really really.
How good is he well we’re basing you know great status on beating wilder three times and klitschko at 40 when i think he was better than anyway completely changed the way i think, okay and – and having said how do you think well, that’s what i think i Think that’s great to theorize in terms of size and style, and it’s what a lot of popular boxing sites on facebook, for example, rece receive a lot of attention when they pit, who you got this guy from 20 years ago, versus this guy, from whatever other era And you know they’re very popular for people to theorize who would beat who so where i thought we were going with all this is uh, no matter who tyson fury today, uh might have been able to beat in a day gone by at their respective primes um.
It’S interesting to hear those thoughts now that you’ve had time 24 hours to think about it and uh.
You know recognize that uh, neither fury nor wilder, may be the best heavyweight ever um, but right now tyson fury is certainly i don’t know.
I don’t know.
If he’s the best, but that’s the whole point of today’s discussion, yep, we were going to talk about whether there’s anyone right now uh who could stand up uh and perhaps match the either the size or style of a great fighter in a day gone by uh.
To the degree that you’re talking about where tyson fury is vulnerable and because his style lends itself uh, shall we say easy count, not easy counter attack but uh a more formidable counter attack than say uh deandre wilder had to offer.
So that’s where i thought we were going to move sideways a little bit here and discuss uh.
You know whether joe joyce might be able to do it.
You know you know what i mean like uh.
Absolutely.
I just wanted to correct yesterday: okay, not a complete u-turn, it’s just that i have been drawn in and when you look at um, you know i looked at the klitschko fight.
He was just completely looking at a different fighter, and the thing i’ll say to graham is go back to the second fight and when you see uh, fury on the front foot very effective against wilder woody, those same punches.
Imagine whoever from the past that is at least of a minimum, as i said about 220 pounds, to negate the difference, how many top tier heavyweights would be affected by those punches? How many would land, without that, whichever box had been able to actually defend against those punches? The most wilder wasn’t wilder got knocked out.
I just think he’s in a good.
The shape he’s in now is was good enough to obviously kane wilder’s backside and the ones bearing in mind.
Now, i’m a little bit more open to a few more giving him some trouble um and you brought up just a very good name.
A second ago, joe joyce, i think that would be a very interesting fight.
That really would be uh, because, let’s it’s just one with a good chance, does there’s a name you mentioned yesterday.
I can’t remember his real name, but his nickname was uh, butterball or butterbean, or something right, okay right.
So, if you’re talking, if you’re talking weight purely weight, you know there have been some incredibly big fighters in the past who haven’t dominated the sport at all.
So if we negate weight as a factor in this conversation today and base it on skill alone, you know: is there someone available today we can pick from that crop.
I mean we’ve.
We’Ve probably all heard now what eddie hearn had to say what his thoughts were with respect with respect to switching around a few of the upcoming fights, you know so it’d be interesting to see if uh, if eddie hearn gets his way.
I’D be curious to know if you can get his way.
I must catch up with that, because i haven’t, i haven’t caught up with anything.
I’Ve just been on catch up since uh the weekend, which is why i’m going to be awake probably through to about four a.
m this morning or five or six.
Maybe we shall see so i need i need to catch up yeah.
If, if dillian white goes on to defeat otto wallen, then white goes on to fight fury and then the winner of that goes on to fight the joshua versus.
Despite the, i think, there’s a mandatory in there somewhere that you’re going to be joe joyce uh mandatory for the wbo.
Yes, because he’s now mandatory, so yeah, so there’s there’s a complicating factor in there, but there you go, there’s how eddie hearn sees it.
I think i’ve encapsulated it in a nutshell: um you know so so again, so the name mentioned there’s whether or not dillian white can actually defeat otto wallen, and if that happens then, like i said like well, i didn’t say it: eddie hearn said it then could He go against fury and defeat fury.
He was simply saying that if that were to happen, the winner of that fight uh, it would be a great fight to see the winner of that fight.
Then go up against the winner of the joshua eusec fight, absolutely only problem with that is.
That would be only for a start 2023 earliest right, because so, if you’ve got the usic, aj fight is uh march april, let’s say april then um you’ve got to have.
Then the case of um [, Music ] actually may could be early because they see that white is going to fight walling and then he’s got to fight fury.
When would that be? That could be? No, no, it’s feasible could be a summer end of year.
Clash.
Next year that is possible, but there’s going to be step aside money and one fly in the ointment.
I cannot see joe joyce accepting or not wanted to accept, step aside money because he is not getting any younger right and i think he’s probably at his peak now and i think you’ll find, regardless of, as i said yesterday, the heavyweights going on to an older Age i mean years ago that would be considered way way way over the hill um.
You know he would not be in his physical best, uh physical peak and especially if you take some of those flush shots like he did against carlos takam um good performance from him.
Actually techcam came in very motivated, but i think they’re going to want to push that um.
I should see it now.
I’Ve got i’ve got to catch up with with.
What’S going on with that, um yeah that that’s how it it will go, um assuming white would be well in i’d, give him a very slight edge.
Definitely no gim me um yeah interesting.
I don’t think out of that circle.
Um thinking about the other fighters that are around at the moment, you there’s anybody apart from possibly herkovich.
Remember his name today would give him any kind of problem uh.
You know and then start thinking, oh, but the uh, the general admit a bit at the end of the day.
You know: that’s gon na take him some time that that’s one for the future.
I can’t think of anybody because it’s got to be somebody who is going to be taller to a certain degree or a fantastic boxer to be able to uh mix it with these big boys.
Now right, um, there’s there’s nobody that really stands out so uh.
No interesting well yeah.
I tell you this, though, if i think this would be a different discussion if joshua had beat music yeah and that’s still gon na happen, and i’ve got a funny feeling, it won’t won’t, be i think, it’d be closer, and this is where are now thinking about It this is mentioned, it borg’s rolling, it’s gon na be closer and then probably uh, he’d he’d, probably snatch a close decision.
Uk wise, i can see, i can see him actually winning it, but not winning it.
If that makes sense, if it happens in the uk, it depends what uh that’s true.
Yeah all depends if um gets what he wants because he wants.
He wants it to be over in his home country, but then again he talks and i’m sure what is on the line and everything else.
I think uh yeah.
We should see.
No i’ve got to find out.
What’S on, i mean other than what we just discussed there.
Is there anything else which is going on out there at the moment in terms of contenders moving up there? Sorry with eddie hohner i mean this was a story i was reading last night, so i mean he might have changed his own tune.
Who knows but uh i mean take a look at some of the other fighters out there i mean they’re, all relatively speaking, sure, compared to six nine, like i think, uh joseph parker’s, six, two uh, i think you signed up tied up with uh chisholm next yeah And i think i think u663 i mean i’m just off top of my head.
You know so they’re all they’re, all a half foot shorter than uh tyson fury.
So we were talking yesterday about that the height differential and the reach differential being somewhat important as a factor between these boxers.
So right now the two tallest ones, as i said, are joe joyce and anthony joshua, and if joshua doesn’t defeat you sick, he doesn’t have an open health of defeating fury.
Quite frankly, if you ask me no, especially especially with fury how he is now because, with with the stars and with the endurance issue with with uh aj, you know fury would you know different ways of doing it, but if you just lent on him, did the Old klitschko, leaning on like fury, was doing with wilder.
You know his his his gas tank could be empty within a very short period of time.
I think that would actually be one of the easiest ones for for fury yeah.
I don’t see, there’s nobody up there.
I cannot think of anybody.
That’S got the height, who is reasonable, that can get in there and at least land and overcome the majority of the difference in reach or somebody that is shorter, but that skilled and there isn’t no nobody.
I still think he will he’s up there and there’s only a handful two or three that you know literally would stand a chance, but i still stand by with the fighters back um from yesteryear.
It would have to be one of the top two ones he would beat the majority, especially you know if you go back in time, but then again they’re not heavyweights, as we discussed yesterday right, but i do i do think of tyson hollyfield lewis um.
They would uh, it would be good, but i think they would they would win, but there’d be something like points or something like that, because you just how are you gon na not someone who’s gon na knock out fury? It’S not gon na happen.
If wilder couldn’t keep him down well, he just gets up, he gets up and he just recovers so quickly how the hell, what is it somebody was accused? Well, it wouldn’t be any time because the checks with this that fight would have been on every level in every area.
Everything would have been a triple check, so i i think i think his dad was would argue that it’s in the genes um, but i don’t.
I don’t know how few that i think that’s the whole point.
I think that’s what the boxing world was looking at like how he was able to get up, after those punches, that he took from wilder and is there anyone else who can deliver that kind of punching power right now hit squarely tyson fury, whether in the chin Or the temple and knock him down the way wilder did twice, but yet to see what fury get up after those kinds of hits.
Wow, i’m my.
I was blown away right and i can’t – and i can’t think of i mean okay, going back to what i’d said earlier a couple weeks ago i would have thought: joshua was going to beat you sick and if that was the case, i would have thought he Would have been the only one right now among the current fighters who could have beaten tyson fury, but now i take that back because he can’t even beat you sick, yeah.
Well, the problem with that one is that, as i say that you know you could only go by what you had seen and the the chas witherspoon fight.
He looked not particularly good at all and the chazzura fight.
He did struggle, though, in control, but it wasn’t controlled with these.
So i don’t blame somebody going for um aj in that fight, but you know i think that u6 just got that extra.
I think there would be more to come and that’s why i would have him as one of the only few that would stand a chance now against fury um.
It’S such a funny, one um and again i’ll.
Just go full circle because i was listening to a moment ago and when you’re talking about wilder landing and how you ever get got up again is wilder as good as heavier puncher, as we really think.
Is that the case, because you’ve got to remember that you know so many fighters can, for example, if they’re a puncher early on in their career knock out stiffs, for example.
Let’S just go exit, let’s exaggerate, it prove the point they can knock out stiffs, but as soon as they go up in class, they don’t manage to do it and they’ll end up getting knocked out themselves.
Is this that kind of syndrome where wilder, whilst a good puncher, was at the same level, because there isn’t, apart from ortiz there isn’t and then again, ortiz could have been his whole career could have been flattered flat, er flashes yeah.
It is so many ins and outs, and there isn’t anything proven yet set in stone to be able to gauge everything.
That is why i would say that, on a second you know, evander holyfield would stand a chance.
Lennox lewis would because we’ve seen them come back with bursty we’ve seen them down, get up, uh or not a couple of cases, but we know how good they are.
I still think – and this is the problem i have – i really don’t think we truly know how good fury is, and this is what i think he will carry on because of a lot of people, possibly maybe gon na say similar or the same thing.
You know you don’t know how good he is because of who he’s actually beaten.
You know is beaten a 40 year old klitschko.
That’S such a big thing.
Well, yes, it was the time and in the manner in which he did it, but beating wilder effectively.
Three times, is it really that bigger thing that at that point you say this guy is going to beat everybody out there, don’t really know because there’s nobody else ready to gauge it with you know what that just it just it just.
It really did drop drop.
This morning, i just thought no, it’s it’s a great argument, a great series of thoughts uh because it does counter successfully.
I think my conclusion that fury now has nothing more to prove he could retire quite happily to majorca and just live on a beach for the rest of his life, but i think you’re right actually, if people start whispering in his ear that you still have other Challenges to overcome uh, there are other fighters out there and, and it depends on uh, as i say, the delaying white on a wall and fight the uh, joshua yusuf fight, and if now he sees himself as you know, being challenged for lack of better description.
Um then then i could see if he has that ego, but that’s the thing i unbelievably he me he may be a loudmouth and i don’t like that about him.
But does he really have the ego to carry him forward? I’M not that that’s what i’m not sure about about tyson fury, whether it’s you know does he really have the boxing desire the heart like that some of these true fighters really have that or is he just big and mean and good? This is what we don’t know, and this is we there’s nothing proper to gauge it by um.
I know a lot of people when they they go through the same scenario and comparing people with the past and talk.
You know: people’s career, etc.
You know you can carry on forever, but there isn’t anything really tangible there.
You know other than klitschko and wilder three times.
Who else really is there? You know chizzora, okay, but is that you know you know he beats one points earlier on in his career.
Close-Ish fight uh, he beat him on a close die.
Was it round eight or something? Eight? Nine.
In the second fight that aside, there was nothing, nothing christian, hamer, okay, biggest name, but these are not the kind of and the level of fighters that, as i said, like the elites, your hollyfields, your tysons, your um uh, riddick beau, even if he he ruined his Career, you know, uh lennox lewis, you haven’t got the you know, you haven’t, got the names on furious compared to that they are you know if you, if you weigh up okay, i know uh, the only one of those mentioned.
The only ones that didn’t fight were beau and lewis, but at least you got something to tangible to be able to try and sort of gauge who would win instead of you know, talking about what possibly could happen based on the little amount that we’ve seen.
It’S just how i feel about it, not saying that he couldn’t, or it’s not possibly the best ever but based on what i’ve seen.
Is it that much of such a big hullabaloo with everything that’s been made at the moment following saturday night – and i certainly was talking from emotion – haven’t, had the experience of watching that fight saturday being one lucky millions around the world watching a great fight, but wasn’t A big accomplishment because that everyone was putting wilder down and a lot of people have always put wilder down hold on a second that third fight the other day was was life or death at one point.
So if you were that good, that you went life or death with somebody, so many people, you know whether that be layman, whether it be experts, whether it be whatever have seriously put wilder down, because the lack of depth which is on his record.
So what then, if you went life or death with that fighter, you’re suddenly, then one of the best of all times i’ve had to step back with this thing, it’s not but yeah.
No.
I was from emotion from saturday night from the drama from the excitement.
I was gauging yeah, i get it and uh after that fight on saturday.
It could be also argued that wilder’s stock has actually risen in value.
You know because he did go out on a shield so to speak and he he put up a good fight and, as i stated a couple of days ago, uh or maybe just yesterday but uh, you know he did have the broken finger.
The broken knuckle the broken hand, the broken eardrum like he was a broken man after that fight, yet was still swinging well.
Well, he was taking punches towards the end there, but uh.
You know.
I think his stock has risen a bit and he is a valuable commodity in the boxing world right now and that’s exactly what the boxing world needs.
Um.
You know these levels of competition that aren’t just all uh about the chirping before the fight.
But in fact you see real quality fights real, you know real bitter rivalries as they say, and i think that’s what’s needed.
I mean, will yusik and and and joshua be a bitter rivalry, not really, i think that’s just to decide who will go next.
If you will up the ladder is wallen and white a bitter rivalry.
I don’t think so, but you know what on saturday night we saw a bit of rivalry come to an end, quite frankly, because i don’t think there’ll be a number four, but i think each box will go their own way now and uh.
You know.
Ultimately, i don’t think i don’t think wilder stands a chance of ever uh becoming a true uh champion uh.
I don’t think like how long is it going to be like how many more years will it be before we have a chance to see a unified heavyweight champion? I don’t think it’s going to happen yeah, so it’s going to be whether it be someone’s going to end up being stripped because not full uh fulfilling the mandatory whatever.
I cannot something’s always going to just stop it happening right, but at least sorry no.
I was just gon na say it’s.
The last last chance we had of seeing that happen would have been the fury joshua tilt, and that didn’t happen so that, as a fan, that was our last chance of of seeing a truly unified champion.
So i think i think wilder and few go their separate ways who will claim number one status mike.
Has i’m going to have to guess here and just say it’s going to be fury.
I don’t think anyone can beat him right now.
Now you say usyk might have a chance of beating him, but he’s still going to go through joshua first yeah and i think that would be closer yeah pretty much in the same way like wilder three was closer one improved and i don’t think u6 would come In not as good as the prior time just think that out of the two aj is the one that can improve if, if one of them is going to right um, you know, but the argument with that is well.
He tried to box, it didn’t work.
So he’s going to be more aggressive, but maybe, if he’s more aggressive that could fall into the trap of using because there is more to his box and as he said, i know fighters do there’s more from me to be seen.
But i do believe that, and i think coming in aggressive, i think, he’s going to lose and just in a different way, not saying he’s going to get knocked out.
But it’s just going to be different, uh, a different fight from their first fight.
But one thing now – and this is just one thing – just sprung to my mind a moment ago – is at least with all these different fights that hopefully could be happening, and the whites and the wallings and the fury um any of them they’re at least now.
All in their peaks, because the rivalry that we had back in the 90s when you had hollyfield when you had lewis, when you had everything that was you know tyson everything that was going back on, they they weren’t at all their relative peaks, none of them all The matches that were made okay, tyson holly for both them weren’t at their peak there um tyson lewis, you know um tyson – was way way way.
Um declined, um hollyfield, tyson hollyford was in decline.
Um, you know, there’s an argument or the fight could have been.
You know, okay, because the one that come victorious out of that sort of circle of fights was lennox lewis, but you know whether it be hollyfield or tyson.
Neither those two were their primes, so which is a shame, because i do think that uh again, one that i feel strongly about tyson would have beat um lennox, but i think it would have beaten all of them, and that includes my favorite fighter, hollyfield um.
Unfortunately, i do think, especially if it would have happened when the fight was first meant to happen, which was in 1990.
The belt was uh called off, and that’s why you had the douglas fight come in um.
I think that uh tyson would have quite easily dispatched hollyfield, because the weight i mean hollyfield would have come in for that fight in about 200 and for about 208 pounds which a uh bigger, no a stronger uh equally as quick, but lot hardened puncher tyson, who Was then uh not quite on fire, because he he by 1990, i don’t know it’s, it would have been a good fight, but i still think tyson i don’t would have, would have had that one um, but it was all different.
They were meant to happen.
What’S going to happen 92 and eventually it happened in 96, but then uh tyson was way way gone and hollyford was on the decline.
But it’s funny trying to measure these people up because, but at least now you’ve got everybody at their peak, so there could be no complaining right unless it’s gloves or being drugged or oh yeah.
At least we haven’t got that now have we there was something i saw, but i haven’t been able to see it yet where i’ve seen a couple of videos, as i was quickly just flicking through about um deontay.
Talking about the gloves again.
Is this something that’s been going on? Wow uh? No! I i i haven’t seen that i haven’t heard it uh.
I’Ve got a lot of watching to do.
Actually i haven’t heard anything of deontay wilder.
Quite frankly, after saturday, i’ve heard a lot of alex and alex clark’s mouth, but not deante.
Apparently there was, i know there was something before the fight with the the gloves and there was concerns and they had to uh change the gloves.
I know that, oh really there was there was some.
There was something with the the gloves.
That was an issue because of i saw one of the the titles as deontay wilder now going on about the gloves again and it’s uh i was just freaking through.
I haven’t got time: i’ve got to do all the announcements and everything else at the moment, but um yeah.
I mean he cannot give the the list of excuses like last time now so uh, let’s run out there, no all in their peak, which is good um.
There’S some good matches to come: uh the next big one’s gon na be white versus uh walling, yes, interesting! What do you think is gon na happen with that one by the way i know it’s off topic, but all surrounding everything.
Well, fair enough! It’S a good question, though, because i’m really looking forward to the fight, because i think again it’s going to be a really good fight.
Um.
I don’t think there’s uh that i can think of off the top of my head.
I don’t think there’s a an advantage.
Shall we say that juan has against the other right now? I think it’s a fair fight going in from the start, i don’t think there’s any controversy surrounding any one of them uh, whether they’re you know so anyway.
So i think it’s a good match um.
Who would i want to win, though? Hmm you know what i’d actually want wallon to win? Um, i don’t mean to upset our uk followers but uh.
I would like like to see wall and win um anyway.
Uh.
Let’S say white wins, uh and eddie hearn gets his wife of uh um.
That would be interesting, but anyway, looking at the two of them, i mean size and stature, i’m pretty sure, they’re pretty well equal um.
It’S points a little bit.
Heavier we’ve been having more of a unit recently yeah one issue, possibly with walling.
Is he because the hype that is around walling is based on how he pushed tyson in their fight, bearing in mind as it did on our choose a words right here? It did appear that fury was weak, having dropped all that weight and since putting the weight on much improved.
So if that was the case, he pushed fury hard who was weak so that could um flatter him.
But since then he’s had uh.
I think two fights the first one.
I can’t remember it was, but it was a journeyman um borderline world-ish class.
I can’t remember the chap’s name, but he fought dominick brazil on points.
Handily beat him, but then again is brazil that good right going back full circle too earlier um there wasn’t any great wins on brazil and from from the record i think that white should win um, but you know wallin could have something a little bit more in The tank maybe he’s that little bit fresher uh interesting fine neutral for who to win.
I should go for walling, but uh not neutral with that, because it’s not really going to.
I don’t think it will affect everything.
That’S in the uh the the circle of what’s happening with the projected bout.
Actually, i think uh you know every home would obviously want white to win um.
Ah, whatever many best man win, i mean yeah, because uh.
The only problem is is that i don’t think there’d be a big want for walling versus fury it’s sailable because of the first fight, but i just don’t don’t think that fight would be very marketable and that’s the kind of fight i don’t think fury would want.
I think fury will carry on, but if it’s the big fights which are available, you know not just a routine wbc defense that kind of thing, if it’s just, if that’s all that was out there.
Yes, i think he would retire, but i just think because of you’ve got the big brit fights and because one of them he’s got a view, obviously aj’s easy pickings and you sickers very small.
You know he’s going to think where you risk.
You know with reward and everything else, and he will continue because that will you know, highlight his legacy that a little bit more.
I don’t, i think, the one in thing, that’s what i think could possibly break what is projected with those few fighters and the plan of hearn the only the only uh, the only curveball i will throw into that uh part of uh discussion would be this if Wallen were to to fight white and uh.
The outcome was merely based on decision with wall and winning.
Then i could see that being meh, but if one were to absolutely clobber white with a devastating hit, knock him out completely cold in the early rounds with such devastating power that everyone stands up and notices while and all of a sudden whoa.
You know, then right then i think you’ve got yourself a mark, marketable character.
Um, you know almost you know, i’m gon na say like almost like a a viking type warrior coming across uh now to challenge the the english.
You know what i mean like that kind of marketing.
I could see going down as being successful from a global perspective, but that’s the only way.
I could see it if it was just to go to points and one-on-one points.
I think you might get the me kind of so what kind of response from the boxing community, but if he was absolutely a flat and white early um, i think that would be going to happen.
It’S not going to happen there yeah sorry.
There was a big if there, but that’s how i would see just from a marketing perspective.
If walton would absolutely clobber white just get a lucky punch white goes down like a sack of potatoes, then i could see that being a very marketable piece of his career.
I think that fight, i think it’s going to be a white close points decision.
I think you’ll find that um here you know, he’s he’s very game.
Walling he’s not a big puncher, he’s he’s sort of like best way to explain him.
I think is like moderate and very determined and very hungry and that that did show very much in the first fury fight right, but i think it’s going to take a little bit more than that to dethrone white.
I think it would be, i think, he’s going to put good resistance.
It’D be a good fight.
I think white will win a decision uh if there’d be any stoppage.
There’S nothing to show that uh wollon is, is weak, chinned in any way or anything at all.
So i i think that uh points win white.
Absolutely i i just don’t what i can’t see just what i still want.
What’S going to happen with joe joyce, because apparently the team and people have been drumming uh beating the drum you know for joyce to really pipe up, and that was with the last fight, let alone you know another time that he would be overlooked and being fair.
He is do something he really is.
I do think he is he’s he’s earned his.
I mean his record.
Okay, all as much as a lot of them are past.
Their best have got um, you know at the end of their careers.
You know brian jennings bermane stavern fighters like that um, but you can only beat what is in front of you and he did it in good fashion.
Can you bear me just one moment, yeah one? Second, just looking at joe joyce’s career here, wow, okay, thirteen and oh bitakan, dubois wallace, jennings ustinov, stevern hanks names.
I don’t recognize to be honest, uh right, so there you go joe joyce, big boy, though absolutely six foot, six wow and it’s he’s fresh he’s – got a good chin.
There’S something other people mock his style.
People mock him got no personality, nothing to do with how effective he is as a fighter, but he is ridiculed, but he just manages to get the job done each time he is undefeated done it in style.
There’S good names there um.
I think he does get overlooked and i think he could be the one out there that could be the the dark horse if you want to put it that way.
I really do think so, but he can’t hang around because what is he now? 36 37 he’s? Not young he’s not that young has he and with the the merry-go-round, with everything at the top, as we well know, he’s not gon na end up getting a shot.
He’S 40.
! Don’T want that they don’t want that.
So what do you do? No, no by then you’ll have, as we discussed yesterday, uh big baby anderson coming out of the states.
I mean he’s really good um bear in mind.
I do think he’s going to as he like most do because he’s about 17 stone.
Now i think, he’s going to become, i think, he’ll mature, more and put some weight on he’s very that that guy does tick the boxes.
That really is one for the future.
I think yeah, but going back to the original question who had there now dethrone fury um, there’s not really many apart from the the top that would be able to, but i don’t think he would accept anything else.
Apart from the top aforementioned bunch, anyway, um [ Music ] going back in in history.
My sum up with how i feel is that you know the top tier fighters over 220 would probably probably do it in a good fight.
It’S very difficult to get a near 300 pound uh fighter that can move out of there.
Yes, it’s, but i still think fury is more effective at his prior weight because taking that fury in the turkey joke it could box like it, could that still had the chin that was in with klitschko um again, you could only base it really on the klitschko, But trying to pull him out of there with the way and his reactions and everything else.
I think that fury would test.
Um stand the test of time with a lot of the other fighters.
I really do.
I think this.
This big uh, huge version of fury, is, i think, just effective with how it is now because they’re all bigger, and that puts him an advantage with a lot of them, but not in time.
I think that would work to his uh disadvantage if he was that heavy.
I still think that that was peak fury for me, um athletic.
He was that that he did apart from a big punch, then ticked every box, and that and with his height six foot, nine boxing like that with any of them.
I give him her chance any one of them, but you know because he that that version of ty, um or fury would you know uh mix up with tyson quite well, because at the end of the day, he’d be able to keep away from him at arm’s Length at worst now being heavier he’s gon na be moving slower, and that would be more of a target for tyson.
I just think that you know he’s going to be there to be hit, as opposed to the quicker fleet-footed one that wouldn’t be as much so uh, but no that’s it for me, as far as how it is with that um.
I just can’t believe i’m um a little bit sad that i got drawn into the.
I can see why i did and it took a walk around shopping for milk to uh, for the penny, two drop to actually work out that hold on a second i’ve been pulled into this yeah um, but that’s great.
It’S not the case that he isn’t it’s the case of based on so far.
What is facts, and what has happened you know is world of that good yeah, but then the record isn’t that good? It isn’t, but he did deal with all these fighters in very good fashion and he could only be in front of you.
I can’t think that he really did duck anybody, and that is the most of what’s out there, but it’s just a weak big division at the moment, but competitive and right now fun, yes, but it makes for some very good fights yeah.
Absolutely yes, there’s there’s a few there’s a good five, six fights, which would be good yeah and uh october 30th.
That is the next one indeed.
Well, thanks very much, i appreciate it.
I’Ve got to get ready for my next show: okay, graeme yesterday, when i had 30 seconds, it’s been that long! No yesterday! Yes, yesterday, we hung up for each other and then i got 30 seconds to get my thoughts together for the next one.
So if, if we hang up now i’ll have 10 minutes, [ Laughter ] see you tomorrow, it’s okay,
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