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EPISODE: Episode 3
Graeme and Kristian discuss the trainers of Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder and how this will affect the fight’s outcome.
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[, Music, ], [, Music, ] and we’re back hello, boxer fans around the world.
Thank you for joining us once again for another episode.
Where christian and i discuss this week – the upcoming big fight between tyson fury and deontay wilder and today we’re going to dig into the training uh.
I don’t know about you, but i’ll say a couple of just a couple of little short things that i got so i don’t.
I took a little bit of a dive into youtube just to see what was out there just to see if there’s anything, any secrets.
Being let out and deante wilder’s camp seems to be releasing clips and they’re talking about dropping a lot of his old habits, learning new stuff, in fact, they’re, calling it more of a cerebral training camp and and what i got from tyson fury.
He seems to be a little more secretive quite frankly, but what i got from one of the interesting clips i watched uh courtesy of his nutritionist and chef uh was that he’s taking this quite seriously, even though they seem to be enjoying themselves very relaxed watching england Play football that type of stuff, but if you’re, if you take any indication from what he’s eating, why he’s eating it? His chef would suggest tyson fury is taking this very, very, very seriously, interesting.
Okay, since yesterday, um by the way, hi graeme and i’ve got the memorized at least this evening – that’s a good start.
I’M awake so uh today will be a little bit different.
Hopefully, right i checked with somebody who is, how could i put it fairly in the know and they confirmed that early camp days? Yes, there was friction there.
I wasn’t going to say any more, but it said that you confirmed that definitely was um issues in the camp.
Apparently it was all resolved.
So what what i was remembering yesterday was something from back then.
So everything made sense and um.
I had a couple of scratchings around on youtube in 10 minutes i had free and there was yeah sugar hill.
There was um fury, looking quite happy so happy days of that one.
So at least that has been sorted out, and i can only assume if they did lose, not saying that they’re going to there’d be no excuses for that to be the actual reason now with malik scott as the trainer, and i can only echo what i said Yesterday, there’s nothing proven as a trainer that he could bring anything new and if i do remember right, he got the job on the back of being okay, he was a former foe but being a former sparring partner as well, and apparently he was able to mimic Tyson fury’s burka, jerky style quite well, so the relationship apparently built from there.
Apparently they were sort of bloody buddies, but not quite to the level it is now and in that capacity, and that’s how that came about now.
The way i see this um it’s been on my mind throughout the day since we spoke yesterday, um, it’s for me with the trainer and the training how it’s going to affect the fight is, and this is what it goes back again to yesterday with him being.
I mean he could box, he was a bronze medalist, so there’s boxing abilities there.
Anybody bringing up anything about audrey, harrison being a gold medalist doesn’t matter.
If he’s a gold medalist, he didn’t go over to the uh pros and do very well.
He did well.
He did very good, in fact, if anybody wants to argue that, then in fact you’re looking at the case, if he was the european champion, he just wasn’t great or wasn’t elite.
He’S made a lot of money so to me having a gold medal.
He won the prize fighter tournament over here in the uk, twice and won the european title.
That is to me a good career so that out the way when you’re, a gold, medalist or a silver medalist or a bronze medalist, you can box.
But the thing here since turning over with uh wilder into the pros, he hasn’t needed to change that style that he carried into there so effectively.
The way i see it – and it’s just opinion is that he hasn’t improved as a boxer from then throughout the uh.
The fights he’s had because he hasn’t needed to because, regardless of it being early or late and with the exception of burmein steven he’s been able to knock everybody out until he met fury, can he change? Can he change this period of the time under malik scott? That isn’t proven as either as a fighter.
Okay, professional modest career trainer wasn’t heard of before wouldn’t have been the first selection that uh or the first person that i would have chosen for him.
If i was his manager or something there’s no track record there, but a happy wilder a happy boxers first concern is going to be a good boxer and in a good mindset to learn.
But is it going to be enough to reverse what happened back last year? That is the question.
That is the question and from from the difference between the two camps again, just we only brought the subject up yesterday, so we each have only had a limited amount of time to to scour youtube.
If you will to see what’s going on but uh.
As i said from what i can see, what malik scott is working on it – and i i even mentioned this yesterday – he’s working on those combos that enable wilder to take advantage of that devastating right.
So he there are videos of deante wilder, knocking people out with his left, but in the training videos, the new training videos with malek scott.
What we’re seeing is an awful lot of bodywork evolving into that knockout punch um.
So i i i i stand by what i said yesterday, i think deontay wilder is going to go in fast and furious in the early rounds, learning what he has learned, having thrown away his bad habits, in other words, relying solely on that right, uh to use All these different techniques, now now i i even took a do.
Quick, google search of top trainer top boxing trainers in the world and and neither fury nor wilder, have uh hired any one of the top ten.
So so it’s kind of interesting uh who they have working.
Now i will say this: the two camps look extremely different.
From this perspective, there seem to be an awful lot of men, uh working with tyson fury in his home.
It looks like his home-based training camp, yet only several people working with deontay wilder, while he is training as in boxing but, as i said, uh some of the things that that popped up in different different, so tyson fury focused on nutrition, how he was eating, how He was getting healthy and how he’s being focused in that respect.
Yet a lot of the videos showed him watching, as i said, england, football and maintaining a very uh light atmosphere around him, surrounded by a lot of friendly guys, who maybe are keeping him focused.
If you know what i mean as opposed to going off into other things, but anyway, deonte wilder seems to be extremely focused, uh and that’s what i did notice and and from what from what i could see with the videos malek scott is a is, is a Great talker, he seems to be a pretty chirpy guy.
Oh yes! So that’s what i’ve noticed.
The two differences uh in in the two just just just by looking at whatever youtube videos are out there trying to ascertain what are they getting at and, as i said, deonte wilder seems to be absolutely focused on.
Okay.
Take me away from my devastating right.
What else can i use uh to take advantage of my skills, my physical skills, one of the things completely agree with that by the way, one of the things he’s also going to have this time or what’s the best way of phrasing, this okay, in the second Fight wilder was geared up for the fury of number one yep in no way.
I don’t think anybody, apart from tyson’s camp, could have predicted that tyson’s going to come out and knock out wilder and look heavy-handed in the process.
Having had that um label or being pigeonholed as a feather pillow-fisted, whatever there’s been nothing at all, even in his record up to that point that showed that he was a heavy puncher.
I understand he’s a a light puncher, because anybody at six foot, nine and gon na have that kind of weight behind him.
There’S gon na be a certain amount of uh power there, but the ratio wasn’t, you know not top uh top-notch as such, like klitschko’s or lewis’s, or wilder et cetera.
So it came as a surprise now.
One thing that’s going to happen in the third fight.
Is that wilder is going to be trying i’m going to choose my words very carefully here, trying to learn how to counter that, because it was not expected, and this is why it was such a shock.
It was just you know, it could have been another distance.
Fine was it going to be a repeat of the first? No, it was just absolute uh beatdown, only the layman’s term best put to that absolute uh beat down which it was now he’s got to learn to to counter that and he’s got to be able to adapt to two different styles, because fury might not even come In with that game plan, he might be coming into to out boxing again much like with the the derrick uh chizzora uh, two fights that he had the first fight.
It was a good close bout, um fury won by points.
It was a closest decision, but that’s when both of them were unbeaten in rematch tyson, and he usually does he usually does uh.
Does he do better in rematches? No, i’m not going to say that, but in this rematch he suddenly did a lot better and wilder has got to basically cater for two different styles.
With that in mind, i think wilder is the one that in the fight is the one that can i’m not going to say will but can improve more because he was just a one-trick pony for to call it that way.
Tyson came out in this first bout.
He was the the master of body rolling, whatever great boxer come out, the second fight completely different.
So how is he gon na come out? Is it gon na be the tyson number one tyson of number two was going to be an amalgamation of the two fighters.
He’S got to be prepared for those two now.
The thing here is if it does become a bit of a slugfest and they do trade, and i think, like yesterday said that i think it will.
This is where it doesn’t matter with the training that wilder’s had and again.
This is just from the outside.
Looking in and skimming the surface very briefly, when the going gets tough, he will revert to old, but that old may be enough.
If the going does get tough, if that makes sense, but i think the what he’s going to learn with the period of time which has taken place, i just think that, after a certain amount of time of it, if, for example, if it didn’t work, if it Did work, then you continue what you did the other rounds.
I know it’s not as simple as that, and then you become the winner, but i just think that he’s going to at some point revert back to old but, as i said earlier, i think he’s the one that can improve more from the first fight because he Was one trick pony with tyson? He could be one, it could be two.
He could be one mixed with two who knows well, it is interesting i’ll say once again, the the other thing i did notice uh, that wilder was working on uh were the body shots uh, so he was working on uh, not just body shots, but then the Evasive maneuver, given a counter attack, if he’s gon na get in close enough to deliver those body shots to set up that devastating right.
I’Ve seen him knock out people with his left too, but the point of the matter is is yeah.
I i think, wilder’s camp fully recognizing um.
You know there is quite frankly some instability in fury some of the other videos that furious posted or fury’s campus posted to other people have posted on behalf of tyson fury because tyson fury doesn’t seem to be posting.
Videos of himself he he uh has you know let the world know uh that he’s been suffering from mental health which led to his drinking, which led to him doing a lot of drugs.
He admits it and he says he wishes.
He would have spoken to someone 10 years ago, but he didn’t so.
He went down this path he’s now recovering and he’s got a team that surrounds him.
That i would hope, keeps him away from that kind of activity leading up to this big fight, because it seems like the bronze bomber is certainly incredibly well toned and learning new tricks.
If you will uh to to counter the offensive weapons that tyson fury obviously has.
I still think that the best trainer for fury definitely would have been uncle who masterminded.
Obviously, the klitschko defeat that was, i still set out of every single fight he’s had.
That is the best performance that he has given that was dominant.
It was great that was boxing and it’s purist and something you just do not see in a heavyweight and certainly as in heavyweight in the heavyweight division.
You haven’t seen for a long long time now, with another thing that uh is going to to play into this.
I know it’s not about the trainers.
Is the act, so the lack of activity that’s taken place since they last fought.
The second one was what february 29th the last year.
I think it was now the time off, which is quite a long time.
I think we’ll hurt the box more as opposed to the puncher.
I know, while just trying to punch uh sorry box more but as time, and it is a fact that time will affect the the boxer more than a puncher, and this is something which could be a factor as well.
The stop start training.
I didn’t like the beginning of tyson’s training and i know there is um a lot of hearsay, gossip, whatever that come from the first period of time before the the bout was cancelled recently because of um supposed covered reasons.
I’M not going to say it’s not true.
Like a lot of people say, no, it definitely wasn’t blah blah, but there were rumors that his training uh was not up to scratch, and this is what effectively possibly led into the rumor uh of obviously, uh trouble in the camp.
Um all appears to be uh resolved, as we said earlier, but that the time doesn’t favor fury.
I think that we’ve got again.
I stand by the reversal of attitude with the trainer.
Yeah he’s steward seems to have him on the.
I don’t want to put it straight and narrow, because this was furious problem up until going into uh training with his uncle as in peter.
Not uh was the the brother.
There was the uh, the other uncle, who originally trained him, but early on in his career, fury literally flitted and to the extent of one trainer to another or would have a couple of fights then go to the other one go to the other.
One go back to his uncle.
He finally, then settled went in with peter and that’s when his career was put on the right track and he had some fantastic results.
Improving the result he originally had over.
Uh, derek jezora stopped him as opposed to it going to a close points decision and at that point derek jazor was still on top form and not on the on the slide um.
That would have been a number one trainer for me.
I don’t know why he didn’t go back to him.
Interesting would love to know.
Maybe i should watch youtube more, but stuart does seem to which is my words right.
Have him on the right path, even if there was a bit of a blip at some point? If that was true um, so therefore it should be a good display, because what i have heard, because what i’m doing is when i’m working throughout the day in the evening, i have the tv on loosely it’s just on random repeats of everything, and one thing i Do hear sometimes on whichever youtube uh it’s on.
I hear people say oh yeah, but he’s very hit and miss.
He could have good performance to the bad performance, but that was all down to his training because he was very here and all over the place and there’s peter that finally knuckled him down and moving that over.
This is where, if tyson is not fully on the ball, this is where again he could slip now.
Is he 100, the ball, 90 or 80? Is that difference of 10 20 percent going to allow such an opening for a possibly improved wilder? However, good the improvement is whether he can actually keep that improvement up again.
That is the big question, but he seems to be happy.
I don’t think he’s taking him lightly.
I think there might be some complacency there, um, who can tell but again motivated in the second fight and wilder, wasn’t really um.
I think you’ve got a wada fired up again and the thing i’m curious to see i’m curious to see what weight uh wada will come in, because this is something where, in the second fight that was a career heaviest weight.
Now you can argue that he’s got to put on that extra bulk, which i think was the plan um, because, obviously, from the first fight he must have been fatigued with the clinches that they they did have, which wasn’t that many.
But he found it probably hard going in with somebody that was so much heavier than him now i can only guess that career happiest was trying to um counter that, so if they do think that on a second we shouldn’t come in so heavy because of i Wasn’T the same? Whichever reason they would have put down uh to the loss bear in mind is about 101 um, but wait.
I’Ve never heard mentioned it, but weight from the outside looking in from layman as such, looking in weight could have been affected because he wasn’t.
He wasn’t how he usually was and that’s not the way he usually was so is he going to come in a similar weight, or is he going to drop down lighter where tyson, possibly if the rumors are true, he’s going to come in even heavier? This is all very, very interesting as well and again i think it’s going to have a factor into who wins.
On saturday we had mentioned freddie.
Roach yesterday was the chapter you spoke to in the know, uh able to give you any insight.
As to i didn’t ask because it was fleeting, there was a different difference of time, so uh yeah, that’s catching on the fly, but there’s there’s another issue that has popped up in in the fury camp as to you know, if you, if, if you had all The money in the world, why wouldn’t you hire someone like a freddie, roach and uh, so it had to have been very roach.
You said no, so there has to have been some reason.
If you ask me – and i don’t know i haven’t – i haven’t researched this.
One at all – and maybe you know, maybe the chaps who are chiming in on the side chat here.
Contin – can answer that question uh what happened between the fury camp and freddie roach? Why? Why wasn’t? Why wasn’t tyson fury able to hire freddie roach? Well, he did have uh roach in the corner on the first flight, but he was an advisor added to ben davison uh, where ben davidson took over the roses.
Uh the rollers trainer – and he did a absolutely fantastic job with getting tyson from the god.
The behemoth weight that he was down to fighting weight was an absolute master class demonstration of how you do it.
There were some concerns over um ben davidson actually being able to um.
Is he going to be enough on the night? Is there going to be enough expertise then? Because since then he’s come on leaps and bounds, but there were still question marks, then so they brought in freddie, roach uh overseeing what was taking place and it was uh ricky hatton that was in there as well.
That was the the first fight you had ricky hatton yeah, you had ben davidson and you had freddie roach yep.
So the question remains, you know, i mean why would you go to a? I have nothing against sugar hill.
I mean.
Obviously, he’s done some great work with tyson fury, but he’s from what i can see – and this is not my opinion, but from what i can see from the people who are writing about boxing, who obviously are very opinionated.
Sugar hill does not rate in the top 10 best trainers in the world.
So if i’m tyson fury and all is on the line, why aren’t i going out and hiring the best of the best? I’M i’m throwing it out there because i don’t know the answer.
Well, there was what there was um tyson did: a lot of training um over multiple visits to america with manny stewart, and it all worked out very well there with them.
Even many, even uh pointed out that once klitschko had retired that tyson was going to reign.
Well from there now, because of the the link up and because of the um, the the need that was required, uh with fury to become a harder puncher or at least put his weight behind them, which is what appears to be happening because they’re clubbing, as opposed To the wilder kind of snap kind of punch, um going to the cronk, you’ve only got the choice of uh cronk style.
If you want to put it loosely like that, you have sugar hill, we’ve got jonathan banks, one or the other, and with the two of them as trainers, the uh, i think banks has had more um success, but that is basically based on him being in the Corner of klitschko for every single fight, since manny, sadly passed um that aside his resume with top fighters, uh bitu apache the same with sugarhill, there’s nothing that stands out.
But again, it’s like goes back to the same thing you know.
Is that what he needed at that point, regardless of it being a prestige name with the track, uh record or not, he did enough to turn that second fight around and make tyson uh a heavy puncher from someone that was not considered a heavy puncher and it’s Then, switching over that same theory with malik scott who’s, not well known and with zero track record, is he could be able to teach tyson how to box and how to change when you’ve been in a style that near enough hasn’t changed.
Since i was about to say his first pro debut from the amateurs hasn’t much changed if you look at his early pro fights that are different to now, and that is why, when it goes back to that thing, he has got a good boxing background.
He was bronze medalist, but we’re turning over to the pros from that.
First fight he’s not needed to improve that, because he’s always had that equalizer, whether it come early or late or somewhere in between, as always had been the case, so training camps uh.
As i found out involve much more than just simply, the trainer uh there’s also unbelievably uh psychotherapists uh, who are teaching these guys how to deal with their opponents and their opponent’s strategy, which might have led to all this pre-fight chirping, that’s going on in excess.
Quite frankly, but i hope it’s calmed down – i haven’t seen much of it recently, but having said that, it’s interesting to see that uh.
You know when you get into this level of competition, where there are uh a lot of a lot of other people involved in these camps in these teams.
Uh that aren’t necessarily there simply for the physical aspect.
Uh.
You know.
The mental aspect of the game is very important as well to both camps.
Obviously uh fury’s mentioned is mental health.
Uh wilder’s mentioned a very cerebral training camp and i just i don’t know how alex scott can do that, but but i’m just kind of curious uh, but but is that a baby fandail exactly i’m kind of curious? How you know malik scott was knocked out by deontay wilder just six odd years ago, so so i’m kind of curious uh how he can come into the ring and talk about uh teaching or training a cerebral game to deontay wilder anyway.
It does make me laugh.
Sorry i mean it: is you don’t have to be a great boxer or elite or even good, to make a good trainer, as was the case with freddie roach, he was journeyman at best.
Um gatekeeper kind of thing back then got ta remember when he thought um roger mayweather.
That was, i think, the early 80s um.
The other thing which again going off the training okay is is related as such, with the weight now as much as fury hasn’t bloomed up enormously, um he’s still being yo-yo yo-yo.
What’S the best terminology he’s been okay going up and down like a yo-yo now he lost that with eight stone or something ridiculous um, you can go up in weight and get down to weight, which he’s successfully done all these professional fights.
But the other thing, i’m going to say he’s not young when you go into 30s, you cannot push your body in the same way and there’s going to be some point.
When he’s going to go up in weight, okay fight time and have to drop that weight, where he’s not going to be as effective physically and the best example of that is going to be ricky hatton in between fights, it was darts.
It was a guinness or 10 down the pub he would be awfully out of shape, get back down to fight weight.
He would be effective, but there’s only so many times your body can do that with the stress now i haven’t seen him big, but he hasn’t.
He definitely has bloomed up, so it might be absolutely fine this time, but it’s going to be at some point.
He is going to go what’s the best boxing term for it get old overnight and he will at some point he’s not it’s not going to be an old as in do awfully, but that engine the way he’s going to he hold a shot to it.
You’Re make we’ve lost audio now from uh christian.
Hopefully we can get that mic back here your mind, oh, where is he’s back? Thank you very much.
Sorry.
We lost you for a few seconds.
Oh and we’ve lost him again.
What the heck i’ll be switch hitting this is what he did with derek’s or in the second fight um completely confusing.
This is why he had a a better result.
I just don’t think anything is never straightforward with fury which is fantastic.
You know, and certainly you know confused wilder in that second fight, but i don’t think he’s going to come out the same way.
I think you’re going to see a bit more of a measured fight as much as he’s saying he’s going to knock him out even quicker.
I don’t think that’s going to happen.
I don’t think it’s going to be the intention again.
We can all clutter ideas in the sky and bearing in mind, there’s two people in there, so whether it’s a warranted good, um analysis that gets it wrong from somebody out there or somebody just lucky.
You know who’s gon na win, oh a, and they get it right.
Hallelujah this.
This fight is so difficult to work out.
Who is exactly going to win on the night because there’s so many ins and outs? It’S not like you’ve got two middleweights that don’t you know, don’t go up percentage-wise, so much higher in weight or have gone through the weight loss.
That fury has done where it’s a good fight between two pros is usually easier to work out.
Who’S gon na win.
As opposed to this fight, because of there are two characters and one a little bit more than the other, but you don’t know what is going to happen next and i still say until i see them in that ring, walk and through the ropes you never know What may happen in between, unfortunately, but um, certainly not conventional, with anything with them.
Um, it’s difficult to um, say exactly what’s gon na happen.
I don’t think anyone could turn around and say this person’s definitely going to win it because you know if you said why exactly then it would be blah blah blah, but the things might not be that way.
So how can you come to that conclusion? There’S so many ins and outs, and so many different imponderables with this and different ways of looking at it.
You know i i stick by um, as the bookies would do.
If it’s just even you know, head says, fury because he’s got the tools, heart heart, uh gut, says wilder, that’s the better way, not the heart, the gut.
This is a gut feeling or the crystal ball there.
We are.
The crystal ball says: wilder head, says: fury fair enough.
You know what this kind of uh complete sidebar thought here, but i wonder if back in the day, back in the 70s 80s pre-internet days when they couldn’t talk like this day to day uh about the fights that are upcoming, i guess technically, they could have on The radio – but i don’t recall any boxy – shows on the radio back then, but i’m just kind of curious as to how uh you know whether what the feelings were of the analysts of the commentators that the hardcore fans were back in the days when you had The third fight coming up, no matter who the fighter was back in those days, but i am talking about the heavyweights uh, but you know i have to wonder whether they had these same type of discussions privately because there was no such thing as the internet um.
Well, as we know it today, uh, so i’m kind of curious as to how they arrived at uh on behalf of the bookies, the odds um, you know how did how? How did they determine who who was the better fighter without these kinds of discussions going on? You know 30, 40 years ago, good old, barber shop chat right everything coming to america by the way the film with eddie murphy, eddie, murphy, uh yeah.
It was a lot, you had the hairdressers and they were going on about the boxing, but that was very funny.
Film but yeah, it was definitely that kind of thing, but um yeah, there’s so many ins and outs.
I can’t see how anybody can confidently say: nobody can because anything can happen anyway.
You know a lucky.
Lucky punch can literally happen.
Um.
You know you could have a twist of the ankle, it could be a something from this fight tells me this is the crystal ball or the gut, certainly not the head, but something is going to be a little bit unhappy with the outcome just a little something Just says that i don’t know some bit of controversy.
Well, you know, i hope i hope, for example, i hope that fury doesn’t go to uh us, for example, and gets starched by the judges um.
But again, that’s going to be something which they’re going to be very hot on, certainly after the the first belt, with the the scoring without because that was ridiculous, fury that was fury all day had because it had gone the distance.
I still say that fight was a stand by a two-in one.
It proves that fury, uh wilder, you know in a way should have choose by words.
Right should have won or could have won.
Had it been again that thing with you know, 1920 refs would have automatically stopped that, but it did go to distance.
He was given that chance, and you know, fury should have won the fights of judges he’s.
You know it’s in america again.
I just hope that nothing gets you know, because it can’t be a fourth fight.
It can’t be a full fight.
I think, unless it was that good, a fight where something happened was a bit controversial and because it was such a good fight that it demanded the fourth but very rarely do fights ever get to the four mark um, you could probably count on um up, took A top flight, you could probably count on one hand, maybe um the amount of fights that have gone to the four um.
A lot of people do want to see this one, you know done dusted out the way, no more wilder fury, but that is based on the bait.
The beat down that fury did give wilder right, but i think it’s gon na be a better fight.
I don’t think there’d be.
This is the one thing i’m going to.
If i had to put money just on this bit, i would say i don’t think it’s going to be beat down and i don’t think it’s going to be a repeat of the second fight.
I think it’s going to be more entertaining, i think, you’re going to get a fight, that’s literally across between one and two.
Absolutely.
I think this is going to be one of those fights will go down across the ages as a great great fight uh, because i think uh, all the all the the unnecessary chatter that i complain about aside aside from that uh this when they they go toe-to-toe And that bell rings uh, i think us fans are going to be absolutely thrilled entertained, whatever uh jumping out of our seats uh this especially on your birthday uh, you know having just a great time, watching two boxers go toe-to-toe best of the best, no matter where They’Re from in the world uh you know and then the training that they’ve they say, they’ve put into it this the seriousness of their training and the people.
You and i question it – some of the fans out there question it, but at the end of the day, maybe these other professional trainers that are out there just simply weren’t available.
Maybe it’s a personality thing.
Maybe the trainers have to be comfortable uh with with the fighters they’re training, not just professionally aligned.
If you will and again i wonder too, if there’s uh, actual goals or milestones that are put into place in a training, regimen uh you know or or is it all just as you say, is it all just gut feeling what we’re going to work on today Is this i don’t know because at the end of the day, i think wilder’s aim objective would be to defend against the offensive weaponry of tyson fury that’d be his main objective.
I would think, but then to be able to deliver that knockout blow how to do so effectively by strategically playing his cards right or, as one of our common comments has been uh to play.
The chess game appropriately put those pieces into play to enable you to deliver that knockout punch.
Can you train for that moment if you take a look at what i’m seeing on youtube? The training videos that have been released by the wilder camp would certainly suggest to me that he’s working on his liver shots to enable him to deliver that knockout blow, because that is the problem with wilder.
There’S on.
You know undoubtedly he’s the heaviest hitter, maybe heaviest hitter of all time.
As just a you know, one punch, hitter um yeah, it’s it’s it’s funny.
It’S um and i don’t even know i mean with the history of trainings.
With fury, he was never able to settle down and, as i said earlier, it was literally one to the other.
Is it was near enough, a different trainer for different fights or okay, without exaggerating that he might have been with the trainer a couple of times.
He was even with rob mccracken, i think, for one fight.
He went everywhere then back to a trainer, then he’d go to another one and he’d have two people in and it’d be nobody in there.
I should have got a whole list.
That would be interesting to see, but it was extensive, and this is why he had a very patchy uh career um up to the well okay.
It wasn’t the klitschko fight, but with the lead up to the klitschko fight around the time when it was the derek jezora and christian hamer fights um, also yeah, when he went with steve cunningham, i don’t think peter was with him then or certainly uh.
He wasn’t literally with him, obviously, because he can’t go to the us with uh his his past, unfortunately um, but it seems to be stable, but i over choice.
Why did he go with ben davidson? In the first place? I should go on youtube more.
Why did he go with ben davidson? I can’t even guess why i can only guess there was some kind of link friend something to do with maybe mtk or whatever there’d be some story, maybe because of as i do believe ben davidson, he was um a something to do with uh.
He got into this game via the health uh health route and i think he was a bit of a guru with losing weight which obviously fury needed.
So it probably you know this is just purely guess.
They could have gone to him for the weight loss, but then it worked out it.
They gelled in the ring – and it’s this gel in it’s this getting on with that needs to happen, with fury to uh, for him to do good, as opposed to some of the patchy fights he’s had in the past, and that was obviously a great performance.
Obviously, into the second fight um, it all appears to be happy now, but it wasn’t initially um and there was, but there has been a lot of partying.
There has been a lot of again.
I know it’s going away from the trainers, but i still think the the mindset of this is going to play a factor.
You know who’s going to be because it might go to the trenches you know are both of them going to be able to um deal with that because in the trenches okay.
Let’S put aside, let’s say that this was effectively the first fight wilder has been in one hard fight, and that was uh really the first fight with louis ortiz.
I know the second one he was losing before he got the ko belt um, but it was i’m talking back and forth back and forth and wilder was knocked down the ortiz fight.
Prior to that there was nothing.
Only one person had gone a distance with them.
That was the main steven, okay, blitz, rated and rematch.
Now in a way – and it’s something i was thinking about earlier – with with fury put aside walder put aside klitschko, what are fuhrer’s best wins.
What hard fights has he had with an elite fighter? The answer is derek jazora, and that was way back then so the mental side, i i’m predicting what i’m predicting with my crystal ball, is a good fight.
A hard fight and they’re gon na have to possibly dig deep and that i think, is possibly again and it’s back to mindset away from trainers alone.
But i think that’s going to play a part as well who’s going to be able to handle that that i have no clue over.
Put my hands up, shoot me for it.
No, no! I i think you’re absolutely right, and i think one of one of these gelling factors is trial and error, simply because trainers will come come into a training camp very seriously, focused on delivering a champ.
Okay, not knowing that their uh potential champ.
That they’re training is either a complete alcoholic or uh abusing drugs.
You know so they they go into a contractual agreement and say yes, i agree to uh train you for this particular fight and then they find out.
They can’t train that guy he’s untrainable and that i’m just guessing here that might explain the roller coaster that tyson fury’s been on with respect to train up until recently uh, but in his early days but and he this is something he admits he admits.
He was a complete idiot when it came to his partying and then getting in shape quickly for the fights because it was you know he had the skills to pay the bills and uh and that’s what he was relying on so now.
I think he stepped into a more serious realm and it begs the question why he, why he’s stuck with sugar hill quite frankly? But we can’t answer that.
We can only wait until saturday night watch this great fight unfold and see who comes out victorious but, like i said you know like i’ve said before, and i’ve drawn the analogy between the music industry.
There are certain musicians who are introduced to certain producers to produce their album, but if they don’t gel in the studio that magic never happens and that hit album never gets produced.
And you hear it time and time again and i think that would be the same thing that happens when trainers are introduced to fighters uh if they’re not familiar with them, they don’t gel something’s, just not right there.
You know that might be deemed an excuse, but i think in tyson fury’s case he said it he’s admitted it he’s had these issues he’s dealt with those issues he’s now on the right path and, as i said, the one thing i noticed is he’s actually got A nutritionist, a full-time nutritionist who lives with him who keeps him up? How do i say this optimally? Fed you know having five meals a day, and i would imagine five.
You know appropriately proportioned meals, not five steaks a day anyway.
Uh i’m looking forward to a great fight, just like you, uh, absolutely trainers in their camps.
Uh are very important, but i think it’s that gelling that’s important.
Uh the mental aspect, the competency aspect, uh the routines – are all i guarantee they’re all the same since day, one nothing really changes, but i’ll bet in terms of their routines.
They have to be fit come fight day, so they will be fit that i have no doubt uh, but what is uh.
The tyson fury camp is keeping very secretive about the methodologies that they’re employing in their training camp, with the exception of that, as i’ve said, uh that tyson fury’s camp seems to be a bit bigger in terms of the people that surround him and whatever they’re teaching Him, uh and, and one might be how to deal with his mental health issues and or drinking and or drugs the other might be specifically.
What are you eating? How often are you sleeping? How good is that bed rest that you’re getting? These are critical factors too, when training leading up to a fight, uh wilder seems to be, shall we say quite calm about all this and is dealing with the business of being trained to win.
I’M just saying that, based on the youtube videos that i’m seeing that are out there that are up close and personal and that are being released by each individual camp, i’m looking, which sometimes can be misleading um right.
That’S why the clever camper fury! I think what anything that i said i will take.
This is the nice way with a pinch of salt, because is it being done? You know, is it truly bent is being said or is it meant to mislead for whatever game so yeah? It’S all interesting, but just i think the last thing on on uh trainers.
I’Ve got um going back to the first fight.
There was, as we said there was ben davison, was brought in.
You had freddie roach, who had ricky hatton now with the two fights that were in between um wilder one and two.
You had tom schwartz of germany and you had otto wallin.
Now i can’t remember the life of me and i’m going to check this as soon as we finish this.
I want to find out why freddie roach was not in that corner and i don’t know if it was just for the one fight, so the wilder first fight or with the schwartz and the one one as well.
But i know for a fact that the walling um fight uh – i can’t remember roach being in there and it’s uh john, who instructed uh ben to be taken out and to find another trainer who can make fury um effectively punch his weight because um.
He was very close to losing that fight.
He was very lucky that the referee didn’t stop it with that horrendous [, __ ], i mean again um like the situation where, for example, um another referee might have stopped the the first wilder fight.
Another referee could have easily stopped that one in fight with the cut that fury had easily yeah there’s a bit of luck on his side.
I mean it’s worked out: okay and it’s good to see that that horrendous cut didn’t open up in the world of fight.
But then not a lot of stuff was coming his way in that second fight.
Here’S something else what if he is a dogfight and that was a horrendous horrendous cash.
Could that possibly open up again to me.
I’Ve not even thought about that.
That’S another possibility wilder is a hard puncher, and that was a nasty gash interesting.
But yes, i think at the the two trainers.
I think that um – this is just my my recap, and last thing: i’m going to say is that um definitely stewart is better than um [, Music, ], wilder’s, uh malek scott.
There’S no track history there in anything, but it appears they gel with that relationship.
Can they pull wonders? I don’t know uh saturday will tell and how a few are going to come in.
We don’t know so many ins and outs so many unknowns saturday.
I can’t wait, and tomorrow i think we should put go over everything once again and give a final prediction without uh.
I’M just talking myself here for not sitting on the fence at all and i’ll, try and find some time to see if i can catch up on anything with youtube very difficult at the moment, but uh yeah and a final prediction.
Here’S a quick question for you that we might want to look into have they announced the judges who’s going.
To judge this, i don’t know to be honest with you with no post um, i’ve got nothing’s been been mentioned with anything um there’s nothing at all.
Uh.
That’S been said, i don’t even know who’s.
The ref ref can be a factor yeah um, because it certainly wasn’t, i think, yeah absolutely because again, if it gets physical um, when it gets physical, we know that fury or any big heavyweight should hold and lean and zap the strength of that smaller guy.
Again, i’m still curious to see the weight of wilder to see how he views his weight in the second fight and with him losing could have that been a contributing factor.
Putting aside the drugged, water, the heavy costume, the uh, the dodgy gloves, which i think there’s something behind that but i’ll leave that one there i can revisit that tomorrow, um yeah ref can have a part of it.
I think if it gets a messy ugly, uh dogfight, which can, i think, easily be um, and i’m saying that against the fact that wilder’s meant to be coming in a better boxer.
But i just think he’s going to be able to you know.
I don’t think he’s going to come in an amazing boxer.
I don’t think it’s going to take place.
Will you be able to come in and set up the right hand more effectively? The answer can only be yes, and that is why, at this moment, i’m still leaning towards welder, but i will try and see something and give my final thoughts tomorrow, perfect.
Absolutely thanks very much and thanks everyone for watching listening to us.
This has been a great conversation a great week of looking into our crystal balls but anyway.
Yes, thanks very much christian, we’ll see you tomorrow, okay, take care.
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