Fury vs. Wilder 3: A Recap | Boxen247 with Kristian | Talkin Fight

Graeme and Kristian recap the battle between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, giving thier analysis following the big fight on Saturday.

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[, Music, ] [, Music, ], [, Music, ], hello, there, boxing fans around the world.

Thank you once again for joining us for another edition.

Where we discuss the fury wilder outcome, we were discussing it all last week leading up to the big fight on saturday night and i got ta say it was a great card, a great uh evening of entertainment, good boxing great boxing and even excellent boxing in the Different matches that took place that evening uh, but i think we’ll focus on on the fury, wilder fight and the outcome and uh.

I said it uh.

You know i said he would uh wilder would have to come out fast and furious and win it within three rounds and what happened? He came out relatively fast, relatively furious, but got gassed.

If you ask me, i mean he was.

I think he was just too heavy too anyway.

What do you think christian? Absolutely as soon as the weigh-in uh took place, and i said that you know the wayne is going to uh answer some questions as soon as it happened, you know furious, wait! Okay, you know he’s going to come in high um.

He was, as i did confirm suspects whatever uh bear training camp because he didn’t come in as good as he was before.

You know, there’s one thing being heavy, but he was was point where putting this like.

The body like a bag of milk – it was just now he’s.

Never you know a mr olympia or anything at all, but that was just not quite how he usually is in his bulked-up state.

Okay, now the seven pound extra for wilder as soon as that was announced, i was like no, i can see why they’re doing it, but i just thought that bear in mind.

I thought he was going to personally think they have to sort of get in there and get out quickly, so the weight wouldn’t have been that much of um directly a problem, but he’s obviously put on seven pounds on to try and tackle the bigger man.

It was only gon na take away the advantages uh, which he had, and some of that was the speed but the power at the same time, because the problem was that the power comes from the speed and even when he came out quick in that first round, It still wasn’t, it came out very good, purposeful, the rest of it, but it still wasn’t how we’ve seen him in the past um.

He looked that little bit slower and you know it landed up being a slugger um, sluggish sorry slugging with the slugger put it that way.

Um everything i said apart from the outcome, but it’s very close, basically took place and i’m going to take credit for the fact that it was going to end up being a slugfest and that it did.

I said it was going to be a combination between one and two and the three is gon na come that way and it’s gland up being a slugfest.

I said that wilder is gon na be more effective and i said, fury is gon na be less effective, and that was the case, but the better guy got it.

It was very close.

Both were down um great fight, it would go down.

His history is one of the best: it’s definitely a candidate for fight of the year, um anyway, uh wow um.

Do we want to see a fourth? I wouldn’t be surprised down long if it happened.

It certainly won’t be next, but the thing that just amazes me is that this is the fight that people were complaining that were moaning about.

Oh, we don’t want to pay to see this.

We don’t want to see this fight.

Oh we’ve watched the fight that we’ve been made to see because the arbitration we just want to see aj versus fury, yeah, really nah.

No, no! No! No! It’S promised, i think, to be a good fight and, as i said to you and you concurred that it was the fight that we were looking forward to and for very good reason.

Those two are a very good dancing partner to each other.

Unfortunately, it’s going to be one of those situations where probably 99 times out of 100, that fury would beat wilder he’s just got his number and especially if he was a bit more fit and if wilder was just a little bit sort of um lighter that you Know he was already seven pounds over the career heaviest, which was the last fight, and this was way above what he usually weighs in at.

He just needed to go in there and be wilder, and i think he should have come in lighter and came out in that physical shape swinging in the first round, because the problem was he had the very good uh okay down in the the second round.

The second, i think it was he was uh he had fury down.

Was it twice in the no? He was down in the third.

Then fury was twice down in the fourth by the fifth.

He came back with guests and there was nothing to suggest in any of the previous fights that usually by the fifth round he gasses, so you can only naturally attribute that to the weight gain.

It was a shame.

It was a good effort, at least wilder in a negative way.

Uh as such has got some form of closure.

I haven’t seen in the interview uh interviews with him, yet i know that supposedly at the end there’s a little bit of surrogates and he he failed to give fury any kind of credit or well done or respect or anything else, um.

Shame about that! I’M sure it would change, he was just bitter, but at least i i feel for him because it was you know, there’s no way within himself.

He could have um blamed anything else to sort of like give him some self-satisfaction.

Well then, today he was cleanly knocked out.

It was concussive, it was absolute um.

He lost with no excuses, no ifs, buts complaints, nothing else, great fight, fury could have been a little bit better.

He certainly would want to come in to that kind of weight with any of the other top guys.

Personally, i think, obviously how he was in the last fight.

You know just not attributing the good knockout win over wilder in the seventh in the second fight, but i just think that seems to be his optimum weight because he was great throughout the seven rounds.

Not one sign of gas in that was perfect um, but with them both coming in not as good as they um should or could have been in their own respective way.

The two ways jailed and it gave obviously a fantastic fight, wow yeah, it was amazing.

It was a truly great night of entertainment.

I got ta, say uh, something i will say um.

I saw an interview with malik scott afterwards and he was saying, and by no means is an excuse uh, but the wilder had broken his finger.

Broken knuckles had a broken hand and a broken eardrum so and yet was still boxing towards the end until he was finally, you know knocked out um again no excuses.

I mean i don’t think wilder has any more excuses left in his uh punching back.

So he’s running yes he’s running out now he’s he was beaten and i i’m i’m.

I don’t, i hope, there’s no number four um.

It will be interesting to see if uh you know, if fury continues, i mean.

Does he really need to continue uh be interesting? I mean i kind of the other thing the fury said was you know uh in a nutshell, you know having come from a lineal.

If you will a background, a lineage, sorry of uh bare-knuckle boxers.

You know it’s in his blood so to speak and uh.

You know he was.

He was happy, not happy ecstatic with the outcome, so i have to wonder whether he has nothing more to prove whether that’s it for him um.

He can go back to drinking on the beach now and uh, enjoying his life.

It’D be interesting.

Yes, but um, do you think he will come back? I hope he doesn’t.

I just don’t like i mean he i’ll i’ll admit i’ll admit he absolutely destroyed wilder, not once not twice.

Uh wilder, on the other hand, has what uh 42 wins and there’s only two losses or against fury, so he still has that you know to be proud of, and it’d be interesting to see.

Even if wilder comes back um, you know i mean i mean i don’t know what else he went up against the best and lost against the best again, so i’m not so sure that, even whereas what fury has now nothing more to prove he’s he’s the champ In in the fans – and the interesting thing is too is uh, what’s happening over here in north america is interesting, too, is that there are now these reports emerging.

You know how wilder kind of stepped into boxing, because he needed money for his uh baby, who was born with spina bifida uh.

You know he kind of walked into the olympics and, surprisingly, even to himself got himself a bronze medal.

So he has this kind of backstory that no one has actually uh reflected except now for some reason now his backstory is is emerging in the north american media and a lot of people have been saying.

You know why weren’t we supporting this guy from the outset.

Um, just from a media angle perspective, it’s kind of interesting that he’s getting more.

If you ask me more sympathy now than he did any time prior in his career, in terms of who, the fans would favor going into the fight, because clearly where i was watching the fight that entire place was fury fans, i didn’t.

I didn’t hear anyone cheering for uh wilder yeah very interesting.

I knew i knew about the back story.

They had it over here, but i haven’t seen anything about it since, but it was on the way up.

Uh there was a members of the documentary about him.

Um he’s quite moving about the daughter.

Do uh remember that um about coming back um.

This is when i think that both will come back and okay first off fury, i think he’ll be coming back because he’s going to be more concerned about legacy doesn’t need money.

Um, but it’s about this proving something because you’re still going to have the aj drum beaters you’re still going to have people saying usic you could still have you’re gon na still have.

I think he will want those belts back just to prove everybody wrong and shut them up with wilder.

I think he’ll be back, because i just don’t think a guy that is proud, as he is, will want to go out in that way.

I think he can come back, how two very training fights and a very concussive knockdown how he will come back from that.

Will he be the same? I don’t know, but i think that he could probably beat most out there if there wasn’t any steep decline after this knockout.

You know this was probably the world’s number one and probably the world’s number two or three, for example um.

I think it’s going to be very interesting now.

I do think that um i can see uh about possibly with dylan white.

If dylan white does overcome otto wallin, it’s quite funny that uh, if ottown does beat white, then he would be naturally mandatory for fury and obviously you know if that ever happened much.

I don’t think it would happen, but would be a rematch and a completely different result from that.

First bout, because fury was very still at that point: uh feeling the effects of a huge weight loss after losing was eight stone or something um.

You know commendable uh.

Well done my god to come back from that, was still very weak and just shows see the improvement there in the first fight with wilder and how he was in a second because he got physically right after this big weight loss or deal that he went through.

But going back to uh walling! That would be something that would sell because of that, because woolen did you know open up the eye and did push fury, then all the way um.

But that’s what’s going to be pushing this.

What’S going to be hard for everybody to get what they want at the top of the tree, because it’s still a bit of a tied up mess, i don’t think in an ideal world.

I don’t think fury would want to fight wilder, because if it’s going to be more about legacy and shutting up the people which are aj, you know drum beaters or usyk uh or anybody else, that’s at the top of the heavyweight division he would want to fight And i can see this happen that he would want the winner of joshua usic.

I do think that will take place.

I really do.

I think that would be the kind of fight that would happen, and then he would retire after that, because that would be effectively all boxes ticked and i could see him walking away at that point.

There is still that bout with aj does that say: aj does aj does beat music um flip a coin with that one in fact, 60 40.

I think you see cool win um, but you know fury must be licking his lips at the prospect of aj, especially having seen aj’s fight with uh.

Using i mean, haven’t seen that he must be rubbing his hands and thinking that would be as such.

An easy night’s work for a heck of a lot of money and, as such, a heck a lot of respect with the legacy side of things as well, um, because that would be as such, everyone uh shut up and uh everyone from especially from an english perspective.

Everyone to desire about who’s gon na be fighting um until next person comes along, but that would be all done and dusted and cleared up, and that would be when he uh returned interesting, um, because right, a question for you who do, you think is going to Win out of white and olin walling uh, i’m okay, that will be a close one.

Uh i’ve seen dillian white several times.

I’Ve not uh seen i didn’t see the otto wallen uh fight, uh versus fury um, so so of the two uh just based now on what i’ve read, uh and heard um going into that fight.

Um join costs, but i’m hoping that wallen will win.

For the reasons you’ve stated because i would like to see, i would like to see if, if no one gets bought out of this uh rematch coming up between joshua and music and there is uh a fight against the winner of that those two.

That would be interesting.

I don’t know if it has crossed the pond, yet this uh fury versus aj kind of thing.

I don’t think it’s crossed the pond, yet i don’t think it’s impacted the north american boxing audience yet um in terms of whether that really matters.

I think what i saw on saturday night was the reigning champion defeat someone who apparently throttled his girlfriend in a hotel when he was younger.

You know i mean wilder just seemed like the bad guy uh in in this story and uh.

So, anyway, going back to your question, though uh from an english fans from an english boxing fans perspective, i can see the pro dillian white argument.

Okay, from a north american perspective, i can see the auto wallet um, make it more international in in flavor.

If you will uh from a boxing excitement level having two comp competitors from two different countries, because it’s in terms of media in terms of headlines uh, you know there are other sports in north america that command the front page of the sports section of the newspapers.

So if you’re going to make it interesting from a promotional perspective, then realistically you can’t you know pit two british boxers against each other and expect a global interest anyway.

So therefore, i hope that wallin wins uh, no disrespect to dillian white.

I actually like the way he fights but uh, but again for the same kind of reason that you’re hoping that wilder would win to unclog.

If you will the heavyweight division um, i would hope the same thing happens for dylan not for delaying white, but for the boxing fan to say: okay, great wallen can now emerge again and possibly go against fury, and possibly this is the thing if um white does Win then, you know he’s gon na be brought into this.

You know he’s british, but he’s going to be brought into this british equation of fury, joshua, uh, white and you’ve got that situation.

It just depends what happens with aj and usyk.

That is the question.

I still think u6 could win the rematch.

I think it will be a harder fight now.

Another question i have to you with fury from what you’ve seen in this improved state, especially for the the past two fights against wilder got ta.

Remember is that a lot of people have said, and it’s been a fair comment – is that people have criticized the amount of hype and the huge amount of accolade that is surrounding fury at the moment, because some people are saying well hold on a second.

All he’s done is just effectively beat bother three times apart from an old klitschko, really, who else has he fought right, and this is when the legacy – and this is when that side of it? This is why i think that he will continue to shut these people up, because these people, that are you know, beaten that drum repeatedly very loud um.

I think he would want to clean it clean up.

You know the the british side of things and that would include at the same time you know the british scene and also all the belts unless you sick does uh defend against aj successfully.

Now, who do you think out of the crop uh yeah, whoever in heavenway division, who do you think, would stand the chance against fury? Well, that’s an excellent question.

Um after seeing that fight, uh, there’s not many and and the various uh heavyweight fights that were immediately prior to that that fight um, you know we saw we saw if you will the best of the best um, not the entire, not the entire spectrum of heavyweight Fighters, but who who right now uh? Could i pit against fury right now? You know i i like i do like what uh let me backtrack for a sec, because you you’d start it on another point.

Let me backtrack for a sec on what malek scott had said.

Uh he had when asked about you know being brought in.

I think it was tim witherspoon who actually asked him during the press conference whether or not [ Music ] wilder was how do you say it competent enough to hire his trainers in this case, get rid of mark greel and bring in malik scott malik scott uh.

You know in saying his difference in training really amounted to uh when mark berlin was in the the training ring with him.

That’S when wilder was focused on boxing when they left the ring, if you will, when they left the training center, wherever they were, that stopped um, and that was his difference.

He kept wilder top of mind boxing when he’s in the ring when he was out of the ring.

It was very interesting and he he talked about the mindset going into the fight against fury ultimately, which he lost but uh.

The mindset he thought was some was a tangible difference that he brought uh to wilder and he he thought that while there did everything correctly at the outset, um but ultimately lost um.

But it was interesting to see what he was saying so so the fury camp.

Interestingly enough – and it just seems to me having heard that comment uh from alex scott about this mindset, it seems to me whenever i see clips of fury and again i’m nothing against the man he’s a great boxer.

He is uh, but every time every time i see clips of him, he’s he’s watching a football game or he’s having fun he’s.

I don’t know like.

Is he one of these guys who you know fight night arrives and uh he’s in it for a few quid and that gets in the ring? Does his business goes home yeah collects his money uh, you know what i mean like that’s.

It seems like this mindset thing: uh doesn’t really impact uh tyson fury as much as a professional boxer should or would uh.

If you ask me so, does i mean i could see tyson fury stepping down not stepping down stepping aside quitting retiring uh? I don’t.

I just don’t think he has anything else to prove legacy aside this this situation.

You know, as i said earlier with the you know, who has he beaten yet wilder three times fantastic, and this is what people, not myself before anybody jumps in this in the the chat room, people are saying who you know hold on a second three wins over Wilder a win over a 40 year old vladimir klitschko.

He needs to continue to be the best in britain.

Obviously that will be, i think, naturally taken as a fact anyway, if aj does lose to usic, certainly a second time, and he just needs to defeat the other top fighters, i think for legacy, because if he retired now he’s still, you know again not saying this Is right wrong? This is just what you know with the um interviews and the general sort of feeling out there.

I’Ve tried to get.

I tried to be on social media more uh since uh saturday night, but people just go.

No, he hasn’t beaten anybody anyway.

Oh it’s gon na, be you know it was all uh gon na happen that way anyway, it’s just wilder and who had wilder force and this that and the other he’s no lennox lewis.

He wouldn’t hold his jock strap or the usual.

You know marciano references with larry holmes, etc, uh people, you know, i think that he is going to want to shut people up, and certainly if that was me, i would want to do that, but i think he will do um.

I think there’ll be a time now he’s not going to be back in spring.

For example, i think you’ll find that you’ll have the rematch with aj anderson, bearing in mind the rematch um clause has been triggered.

That was done at the telling the last week that that was confirmed, so that is going ahead.

Um this this wild thing with aaron when he was saying that they were going to try and pay off aj to step aside to allow fury if he had won at that point which he has against usyk uh.

Then obviously, joshua to uh win the winner of that.

That was never gon na happen anyway, because if you’d have the winner of white versus wallin waiting and hopefully – and they should have been and that’s what they would have uh they’d be stamping their feet.

Certainly white.

I mean he’s got a case.

You know originally, for over a thousand days waiting there at the top of his mandatory.

All the rest of it didn’t get the shot um.

You know you can argue a few things on his resume, but that chap has earned his place and his shot um shame.

He did turn down aj that time, but uh yeah, i think fury, is gon na be back and i think for the legacy side, and especially because of just the you know, i think if he failed now, i think too many people um would be.

You know just going through about you know the history side of things too much i think, he’d be back.

I think wilder will be, as i said, because, if he’s not going to want to go out on a loss like that very proud – and he would probably i think, still beat a lot of the the top guys um, i think it’d be aj.

I don’t think it’d be usyk um, just asking myself the same question with fury and who, i think could possibly beat him.

Um you’re not going to physically beat him how the hell i mean he came in.

Was it 19 stone? 11, less a lot of possibly possibly a lot of heavy little bits and bobs, but it was approaching 20 stone.

Yes, there’s a little bit more! Yes, that you know that’s why he did have the the bag of milk uh aesthetic! Look to him but um! You know he’s a near-on 20-stone guy now.

Nobody in the light side of this division now is going to be able to touch him because fewer is always going to have weight.

Forget skill, which he’s full of obviously but wait and reach just to start off with the only way i think you’re gon na beat.

It is somebody that is quick that who’s going to be able to see a weakness whatever that weakness is, and somebody with an absolute boxing brain and the only person to me that is capable of that is going to be usic chomping at the idea was that I think i do think yeah uc would be the only one that would be able to do that kind of thing.

I can’t see anybody else punching him out.

It’S been at layman’s terms who the hell is going to land on him and if they do who’s going to keep him down wilder couldn’t right.

I can’t see it.

You know one of the uh, the young guys at jared miller, who looked very good by the way that was fantastic.

What’S he now tenano tenkaos? Admittedly, that was limited opposition, but you know he’s one for the future, but i think by the time he comes up, i think you know aj’s and u6 and furious are going to be gone and wilder at that point.

That’S sort of the future, but there’s nobody.

I can see you know in the top, let’s say top 15: that’s going to be able to put him down and keep him down or out box him or out.

Think it’s going to be the only way and even then i’m not saying oh yeah, you know if it’s push come to the shelf.

I’D have to say that you know fury would win that fight, but he’s the only guy that um stands a chance.

I mean, if does this go to the top five, for example, i mean aj, who has a stamina issue against somebody who’s.

A stamina.

Draining expert now appears to be a klitschko model with how how to uh or clone.

Should i say somebody who can use their weight effectively to drain the other person, as demonstrated well on saturday um, you know, let me let me ask you a question then: do you think that fury got saved by the bell on saturday night? No, i didn’t, i think he did okay there’s this thing.

That’S been going around as well that i saw today for the first time, and it was the situation with the supposed long count yeah that fury was given now, even if the clock or the timekeeper was reaching 10 12 14.

Some people were moaning about seven seconds and i’m going to use the uh mike tyson buster douglas um.

Explanation of this because exactly the same thing happened there, and this is why donking after the fight immediately tried to go to court to get um buster douglas stripped to the title because of the long count octavio mehran gave on the night.

Now it was the problem.

I have is that the fighter reacts to the refs count, not the time keepers.

So, let’s say, for example, fury goes down or, as was the case uh james douglas back in 1990, they’re down on the deck they’re looking at the ref, and if the ref is one second in front one behind two in front two behind regardless.

That is going to be the count that they’re going to follow and when the ref, because they’re trying to rinse the count as much as they can as soon as it gets nine eight and a half nine, nearly ten, whatever they’re going to jump up to maximize Their period of time, that is not the fighters that is not fury’s problem um, because if it was let’s say, the ref was hypothetically, counting two seconds prior, let’s say or four seconds.

Whatever the time was, according to the time keeper or the clock, you probably would have been able to get up accordingly.

Anyway, it’s it’s a a thing, the same thing i said the same thing back then in 1990, when that happened, you know the fighters.

Basically, all the blah blah out of the way the fight is reacting to the ref, and it’s not his fault and, as was the case with buster douglas, bear in mind.

He hit the deck and when, as soon as he hit the deck, he actually sat up and he slammed the deck he was fully aware, but he was just making use of the count.

Maybe we’ve got an extra two seconds, whatever wouldn’t make any difference, especially in a buck buster douglas fight with tyson, because as soon as they went resume, the bell went and was that the case with this one i haven’t seen the fight since it was close up, Did the bell go straight afterwards or i can’t remember, i know it was reasonably close.

It wasn’t like i’m just i was.

I can’t remember which round it was uh, but wilder had given fury a couple of good shots.

That was, that was the fourth round when he was put down twice and and and if that that bell had been five more seconds away from ringing with one more shot, i think wilder would have knocked him out.

I just personally disagree there for the fact that when wilder came out in round five – and this was very clear – he was gassed – oh yeah, oh yeah, so if he was when he came out for that fifth round, he was cast what would have been like a Minute prior haven’t just put, you know, fury down, you mean, i don’t i doubt, and we never know, but i doubt that he would be able to uh follow up anyway, because if you came out guests after a minute break, sat down um and understanding count thing.

No, it wouldn’t make any difference.

No, no! No i’m just saying if, if he’d have had enough, because he was getting his shots in wilder, that is if he had the time to deliver one more punch uh.

Would that have been enough enough? The end of that? Fourth round – and i think it might have been so – was the curry what the question was was fury saved by the bell.

No fury wasn’t that hurt and when he is hurt, he recovers that quickly anyway, which is always gon na, be a problem for anybody um, because if wilder can’t keep him down, which he can’t going back to that first fight when he was picked up by a Girl, god or somebody um, and that was a weight drained or a weaker tyson, so um [, Music, ] yeah.

No, i don’t think just a personal opinion.

I don’t think he was saved because he would have weathered it um, but i don’t think with the state wilder was in would have been able to follow up anymore anyway, because he came out.

You know, beginning to fight gast.

Couldn’T do anything at that point.

So what we would have been able to do after you know at the end of that round, if there was any time if that was the case, just uh just a few women never know, but he looks absolutely fine getting up how he goes.

From being i mean that second knock down, i thought that was it he gets up.

Then you know after a couple of seconds, it’s just like.

Okay, i would live wilder, but uh go over to cole who who joined us late, um yeah.

We got it wrong by the way.

As far as who won bear in mind.

It was that close, you got ta, remember carl, and the key thing here is, as i’ve said, um water was going to come out better fewer to come out, not as good uh weight was a factor.

I said that uh i’ll be curious to uh.

You know see what the weights were on the evening, as was the case seven pounds heavier.

I went straight to twisted put on there two uh too high.

It changes.

My perception um and the key thing here is that i said – and i’m just gon na jump on this just to pacify myself, uh, that it was going to be a slugfest between the two of them combination of one and two together.

We got that third match and weren’t we, the winners of that i mean as much as fury won.

I think the whole world you know won that with spectacular fight.

I don’t think i don’t think we’ve discussed this, but this is a good question.

Uh from adari, who do you think, would win between aj and wilder, be a bloody good fight, that’s one of the ones i was going to say earlier.

Oh absolutely so i mean there’s still if wilder after those two draining fights is not completely screwed after that, because that was a grueling fight, followed by an absolute yeah heavy punch.

He was out, he was okay.

I know going to hospital was a precautionary matter, but uh that was just a beating um.

You know like if wilder is as good, i could see him.

I do think.

Actually, i could see him beaten, aj based on and he’s got to be careful here based on aj’s last performance.

We can only you know, go by the last performance of a fighter based on that i think wilder would probably win.

I do think now in the world: it’s it’s that the top five is something like fury usyk take your pick for three, but i think possibly wilder aj, but a problem with this who’s.

First.

Second, third, fourth, some fighters.

You know it’s like that: good old thing, where a beats b b beats c c beats d, but they can’t beat d.

You know there’s that good old stars make fights and you know do you base it just on who would beat who or who fares up against who’s number one or you know it.

It’S aj wilder, i think, they’re on as such similar level grade pegging whatever.

However, you want to put it, but i do think you know number one fury two six three two which we just mentioned then possibly white whites and then you know some of the others from there on the rest of the positions you can make cases for and Against all of them there isn’t anybody that really stands out or anyone that looks good, hasn’t at least yet been proven.

So all you do.

That point is base it on hypothetical possibility, but you know what’s been proved so far against um previous opponents and how they’ve looked in the last fights you know, there’s nobody other than white.

That really does i mean.

Am i missing somebody that really jumps out anymore and if anyone’s either haven’t you know, the fighters are either too inexperienced um to know exactly what they’re capable of or they’re over the hill and on the way down.

Uh there’s nobody else, i’m you know hergovich.

He could do very well.

He could be the one that lands up at the top of the tree after all this, but who has he beat so far, there’s nothing to gauge him by as soon as he goes into a fight, that’s uh, full of hot water.

You may simply drown me, you just don’t know flip a coin complete sidebar here, but use remind what do you think i was going gon na say something about uh the disqualification.

I think it was the fight just prior.

But what do you think about that? Because that because you’d you’d picked uh helenius to lose that one yeti well, this is the thing helenius had he was promising at one point he had the fight back then with chisora he should have lost.

He got the win of that one.

He then went missing for ages with um an injury since coming back.

He hasn’t done one at all.

I know he got knocked out.

I think it was uh, johan duapar knocked him out um.

I think somebody else did and coming into that fight.

Bernard minder should be for various reasons pro um uh.

I should be pro him as opposed to cal neck.

Excuse me very tired.

At the moment i should be pro um helenius.

You know in that first fight with karnaki as much as he won.

He still looked as usual shaky on his legs.

We lost to chizzora.

That was the first one back after the the took the time out and the first defeat um that went in distance, but he’s looked very much on shaky legs and he certainly doesn’t punch with the same authority that he did, and i saw there was a had Something else done a couple of posts.

Earlier there was uh, i had something in the back and somebody was saying about.

Helenius is back in the mix with as much as he beat kawanaki and is now, i think, more down to kawanaki losing it.

He was just over hyped, he was just in the top 15 when he was in the first fight with helenius.

I just don’t think he’s in the top 15 and it has flattered helenius with what he has left and i think anybody in the top 15 would beat him, because with how kawanaki was he was just punching just one two.

There was no urgency to finish him off, but everybody didn’t have to, but it was still what he was doing.

I don’t think maybe i was completely wrong.

It just didn’t.

Look spectacular just thought how bad kawanaki was how kawanaki was in the last fight, which he was ko’d.

He actually looked better in that fight, and this just came out.

It was terrible when, as soon as it started, i was like, is he in better shape? He’S not that kind of fighter came out and just looked bloody, awful and lost um.

I thought uh wanted.

Delaney’S twin obviously was very happy with that um.

Well, just on the undercard i mean i’m gon na, say it effie a jackpot.

I thought, bearing in mind it was a close one with him and um uh frank sanchez, my god, what happened there i know.

Sometimes, when you put two fighters together, they sort of cancel each other out but um.

You know my mum was with me, bless her.

She was watching the fight and i said yeah it’s gon na be a good one, but and it’s just like yep on my phone having a quick look through things, it was just waiting for something that didn’t happen and again it’s one of those situations that um Put jackpot in, we now know how good or not he is, and sanchez curious one there i think, um, yes, he’s probably like moved up a little bit, because he did a little bit better than what i you know he had displayed in the past, but can Only go by past experiences and some of his past fights had looked.

He looked absolutely.

Nothing then managed to out of nowhere just sort of clinch the victory with a knockout that come out from nowhere.

There was nothing to to show that he was consistent from the beginning to an end of a fight with any any kind of brilliance that didn’t happen and he sort of kind of ran from a jackpot.

He could it’s.

You know, i think i don’t think he will beat the top sort of five six right.

You know he’s not gon na get up there um another cuban okay, stylistically different from um ortiz, but you know somebody like ortiz that there’s never a quite you know at the top was just sort of hanging around you know, sort of top world class just under Just not fighting the right fighter, that’s gon na pop him up there uh, let’s see what they do with sanchez um.

Now we should see, but that was an awful fight i was.

I was uh very disappointed with that you could.

You could not, though, have been disappointed with uh big baby anderson.

Oh, that was good.

I mean he’s 21 years old, undefeated now and uh yeah on in a few years.

Uh he’s one for the future.

Yes, 17 stone.

He was as well.

Wasn’T he yeah? I do believe yeah um, quick, obviously a hard puncher, um likeable young and that’s got to do 21.

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This yep doesn’t have to be any any rushing of him right now.

This is the next generation.

I was about to say like daniel dubois um, but i think you know it could be these kind of fighters which are going to be there waiting for all this crap at the top to sort itself out, because it’s still no clearer, you know if you go Back to one of our early conversations, we were looking for you know, x and y to win and because it’s gon na unclog, the top it’s kind of halfway, got to where we wanted it, but then, if it would have, whichever way it would have gone, it’s Still clogged, you know, you’re still gon na have joe joyce uh wanting his now he’s now mandatory number one.

What’S gon na happen there you could have you know white versus wallin.

You know the winner of that is still he’s gon na be mandatory number one.

You know you’re gon na have uh what the ibf eliminator with um chap.

I mentioned earlier – uh croatian uh him with whoever whoever they can find at the top 15 to go into the mandatory position.

It’S then what happens everyone’s frightened to lose their position and it’s no clearer.

Okay, it jabber goes down a little bit and um and frank sanchez goes up a little bit.

Okay and it’s just as unclear.

No shame um aj, aj newsick, who do you think’s gon na win just very quickly.

I know it’s completely off uh, okay uh.

I will.

I will imagine that in this time, leading up to the fight aj will have learned from his mistakes, because i predicted him to win due to his reach uh and i was wrong um.

I didn’t expect music to be that good of a fighter um.

He was uh, so he surprised me a lot um so now coming around uh.

I think this time uh aj will have learned if you will, from his mistakes um and come out the better fighter and win that one yeah and with.

If that is the case, then you’ve got the battle of britain.

You can have aj versus fury.

I think fury would definitely definitely still want that, because big fight legacy fight and in his mind and sorry aj fans, but quite rightly he’s gon na – be licking his lips at that one.

He will consider that an easy night’s work and absolutely that is definitely two stars which uh instead of i always thought it was like 60 40 with fury, but i i think, 80 80 20.

With that one um, i don’t think aj.

Unfortunately um.

I just can’t see how it’s gon na happen.

There’S no way no way.

Um it’s gon na take somebody, i think some kind of box puncher young that would come up.

That’S you know would be the the type that would probably or possibly or stands any chance apart from want to said earlier, with usyk that would beat fury, but by then he’d be long gone right and that would be for the next line to come through.

But uh fury wilder three wow, what a treat for everybody um, what a great birthday prison.

But no, it was great and i hope anybody um that paid out for it and because they thought it would be a good fight enjoyed it and the people that didn’t even bother watching it because they thought, oh, don’t be paying for this arbitration, has forced this Fight on us and then they meet, you know heavyweight, possibly you know heavyweight part of the year yeah i i was learning a lesson yeah.

Looking into my crystal ball, i i was hoping that wilder would no, i yeah, okay, i was hoping he’d win, but i i was more saying i was hoping.

I thought the only way he could win is if he won early in that fight.

Um and again i you know after you weighed in and we we saw what anyway so and that and the secondary reason was to unclog.

If you will that heavyweight division, so he didn’t win uh, so kudos to fury he’s on top of the world right now.

Without a doubt, it’ll be interesting to see what happens between aj and newsick, again, um and and again, if, if uh josh joshua wins that fight again, i think it’s more of a british thing.

Um, you know i i prefer to see, shall we say international battles uh and that’s what bro well, but the funny thing is is wilder didn’t have the support of the north american audience, which i thought was kind of curious? I thought he did, but he didn’t uh and now i’m seeing a lot of reports uh to the contrary, where he, where they’re now extending sympathy for him blah blah blah.

I don’t know i i think i don’t think i don’t.

I don’t think uh.

I want to see number four.

I don’t see, there’s any need for number four uh.

I understand your argument, like i kind of thought.

Fury at this point could retire quite handsomely.

Uh, invest his money responsibly and start drinking on a beach same thing for wilder.

Quite frankly, he’s made enough money: he’s opened up his community centers and done his thing um.

You know what more needs to be said about these two guys.

At the end of the day, uh fury proved that he could beat wilder and did uh and that shut us all up.

So so, what’s next uh you know, if you uh is, is aj going to beat you sick yeah.

I hope he does actually uh just because i i expected him to beat you sick, the first time.

That’S the beauty of boxing.

You never know you really don’t know you know nobody could see.

You could ever say you can’t even say to the night.

You just don’t know, what’s going to happen, which is again the reason why we love this great sport, um, yes, aj against fury.

If that happens, i think fury would hang around for that and regardless of retirement or not he’d still be on that beach.

Having that drink, [ Laughter ], but as per ricky hatton, how long can he go on going up and down in weight, etc? You know, i think, he’ll be back for one more one blockbuster, whether that be fury or usic.

I think that’s gon na happen regardless um, because you know would have to favor uh fury over you sick, but you know, usic is the only one that possibly has any form of of chance um, but we know at least what’s gon na happen with if aj Wins that fight! I cannot not see that fight happen uh, because fury was up for it before.

As far as we’re aware, you know, aj’s looked uh less capable putting it uh that way.

Um you’ll be looking his lips.

Easy money legacy fight easy win in his world and he may be right.

No, i would actually agree with him by the way somebody carl mentioned about my mother being hardcore she’s 80.

This month, super hardcore um, but she’s got a boyfriend in 10 years and he’s just older than me.

Super hardcore, um yeah, it’s a good night.

That’S cool, good old mum.

Yes, there’s been some great discussions on the chat in terms of how competitive that heavyweight division is now.

Actually, if you, if you take away the top three, if you will, you know, you’ve got frank sanchez versus the oscar rivers uh, and i saw a couple other comments down below that one.

You know just in terms of just in terms of head to head that fight will not happen.

Reeves is uh, can’t remember the date he’s going for the first bridgewater contest.

Oh really, yes, oh he’s gone down in weight.

He’S fighting for the first bridge away: wbc bridger, wait: title fight uh, the original uh opponent was brian jennings, but brian jennings had to pull out because of medical reasons.

It’S been changed to, oh god, another fighter that all this was happening.

Last uh, beginning of last week, telling of the week prior to that uh, no, no he’s fighting for the bridgewater’s gone down.

Oh wow, um, i mean that’s.

What happened with sanchez grievous reeves is good, and yes, that would have been a good fight, um and actually, i would have said, based on again, based on what we have seen.

I thought rivas um would do well because against white that time he did very well, but oh he’s gone down in weight.

It seems that uh, that’s the uh, the the option.

I can’t imagine there’s too much money down at uh.

Uh bridge awaits you know like the older cru cruiserweight syndrome, but i can see it because if he is a smaller heavyweight, which he obviously is, you know with the clogged heavyweight division, where no one’s wanting to risk anything and with how it is.

It seems to be a sort of wise move, it’s sort of you know that way or if you’re a different fighter, and you you you know, fed up with.

What’S at the top, you go to ufc um yeah.

Yes, you’ve got to go sideways out of it.

It’S clogged it’s awful and they’re all frightened, apart from effie japan and frank sanchez, to fight each other right, which unto themselves is what i’m saying.

I think we have a good year coming up some pretty great fights in that heavyweight division because they all know uh sooner or later, uh fury is gon na retire.

He will, as you say, uh if aj wins and that fight happens between fury and aj in 2022.

It will be a great fight uh, but i think fury will win that one and if he does, i think then he will retire and his legacy will have been proven.

Yeah fury, i think, he’s gon na fight, regardless whoever it is aj or rusick.

Bear in mind bear in mind the rematch is gon na happen with usical agent.

That’S gon na happen, uh march or april, then look for the huge summer clash with one or the other who’s right or aj with fury.

That would happen.

That would make sense, and that would be right off into the sunset um right and have 10 drinks or more each fair play to him.

And so i’d say he, but he will be.

He will be criticized – and i think he’s a proud guy and uh money money talks and especially with aj.

You see that as an easy fight won’t blame him.

It’S uh! Imagine that 19 stone leaning on aj somebody that uh does fatigue as it appears very quickly.

Yes, yeah yeah and, as somebody quickly said, you know, wilder couldn’t put fury down and keep him down.

Yeah couldn’t do that, so what chance does aj have zero? So that’s it right.

Apart from that uh, yes, what a fight and i’ll get to watch it again at some point, maybe tomorrow it’s it! This is a great era.

I like i do agree with uh fury.

I think he said i’m the greatest of this era.

I think he is uh of all time.

That’S an argument uh, but uh, better qualities now than the klitschko era – um, that’s interesting, but uh, but no of this so-called modern era of heavyweights.

I think i think, fury earned that uh title uh on saturday night.

He he beat wilder again.

Very quick thought is something that just came into my mind randomly earlier today.

I was thinking about you know, who is the best compared to obviously the generation or the rest of it i’ll be very quick.

With this few reverses vladimir now we’ve had that fight.

We knew what the result was, but is the fury that came into that fight, who was at his peak fitness with his bobbin weaving, slipping sliding more effective against the fury of now this heavier juggernaut of uh, a movable object that well it can move, but it Goes back up which one is the more effective fighter, which is the best one out that two out the two of them.

You know it’s that same question like with muhammad ali.

Was he better in his first carnation as cassius claimed? That’S not quite as defined as this time wise, but cassius clay part mohammed lee before he refused to be drafted or when he came back um heavier, and this was the key thing because you know early cassius clay was early 190s weight wise up to 201 maximum.

Where, obviously, when he came back, he was heavier, was he more effective, then, and obviously the heavier slower but more thoughtful conservative alley? How would he do against some of the the fighters of nowadays, which one was the better one? Somebody said oh with the cassius clay or the mohana league, which one and then start with fury lice or heavier.

I don’t know right now, uh i’d argue and i have to get going quickly.

So i would argue that uh fury right now is a is a battleship in in this.

In this entire spectrum of uh ships, uh he’s a battleship, but keep in mind.

As we all know, uh one single torpedo gets lucky sinks, the battleship so, but i think i think, of the crop of heavyweight fighters out there.

There was only wilder who had that one chance of landing that right that we all thought would happen.

It didn’t did.

But fury got up he’s a tough, tough guy someone someone is looking after him.

That is for sure someone is, you know, he’s a tough guy uh, but i said yeah, i don’t like him.

First knock down it, he went down.

I thought okay he’ll get up the second one, though he’s not getting up from that.

I should have learned.

It was a great fight, a great night.

I we had a lot of fun and it’s been fun recapping as well.

Thank you, yep.

All the best right, we’ll see you tomorrow, yep take care thanks, guys,