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EPISODE: Episode 4
Graeme and Kristian put the weeks discussions together and give a prediction ahead of the big fight on Saturday.
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Transcribed:
[ Music, ] hi boxing fans around the world and welcome to another episode with myself, christian and graham now.
Naturally, this week we’ve been talking about the big fight number three between dionte wilder and, of course, fury now.
This has happened on a saturday throughout the week.
So far, we’ve been going through breaking down in pieces going off topic quite often, but you know who’s got advantage in the power who’s got the best.
Chin who’s got the best corner, and the idea with today is we’re going to put it all together and with it being thursday in the fight just two days away.
We’Re going to give an absolute clear prediction and hopefully what should be happening and, as we have been talking throughout the week, there has been some information um, which has been quite helpful because i have been a lot on social media.
Unfortunately, this week a lot of things i didn’t know or miss or didn’t even think about from graham, of course, that information i’ve been very thankful for uh, but today it’s something that has been apparently chopping and changing quite a lot.
In the background with who are the judges, who is the ref, etc and graham has got that information today, and hopefully we can gain a little bit more insight about, what’s going to happen with possibly the referee, if the referee is going to be um having a Part within the fight or depending if it’s a physical fight like it, i think the third fight is going to be um.
It should be interesting and obviously with the judges as well and where they come from, obviously with fury being british and world of being american.
So graeme so far, what do we know and with how it is moments? I know it has chopped and changed, but as of today, with it being thursday, who is what? According to my sources, referee, russell mora has replaced connecticut’s mike ortega, who was actually lined up to host the fight on july 24th, and that’s not the only change surrounding surrounding the the fury wilder fight, because they’ve also announced new jersey’s, steve weisfeldt will come in as A replacement for patricia german taking over as a new judge, while the other two original judges remain tim, cheatham and dave moretti.
All from what i can tell are incredibly experienced.
Uh judges, uh and the ref has, shall we say, a slight blemish on his record um.
Let me quote from an article in ring tv, nearly uh, [ Music ], two years later.
So roughly speaking a while ago, uh russell mora is still bothered by the memory of the headlines from abner mara’s, controversial, unanimous decision over joseph akbiko, which happened in las vegas.
10 years ago – and that was so – he has a bit of a blemish on his record um with respect to not calling repeated low blows.
During that contest, i would assume over those 10-year periods he’s certainly according to box rec.
If we all take a quick look.
Uh he’s certainly handled some of the bigger fights uh he freaks just for example, um this past uh august uh uh did the manny pacquiao uh eurodinas yugos fight um, you know so he’s done some big fights uh.
He should be up to the task uh back in june.
He did the anyway versus uh michael des marina’s, fight uh, so he is professional and competent and if you do your googling on the other three judges which i’m happy to give you a bit of background about, but they all seem incredibly competent as well.
Where are the three judges from america all american? I’M interested, because i thought, especially with the controversy with the first bout, obviously with the scoring where, because it did go the distance, obviously the general idea was that fury was the winner.
I thought with about being in america again for the third time that there would have been a british judge.
At least one of them brought in to have one american one british one neutral.
But with that said, and i’m saying this kind of ingest um, you wouldn’t want any of the usual lineup of the uh english referees at the moment, because the controversy in which they’ve been creating with some horrendous decisions lately over the past few months, he has been Diabolical so if it was going to have been one of the usual um suspects, he would have put it that way.
That would have been very disappointing uh.
I just hope that the referee is a physical referee, because i do think this fight is going to be a more physical one compared to the other two.
In fact, sorry, physical, not being the right word, i think it’s going to be a more evenly matched physical fight.
It’S certainly not going to be, i think the uh a replay of the first one, and i don’t think it’s going to be a complete, beat down from fury.
You know put the two together.
This is sit on the fence with what’s gon na happen and we’ll break this down a little bit more later on, but it will be an amalgamation of uh fight.
One fight two mixed together, but it’s gon na make a bit of a physical fight and the referee, and this is one thing that um could be a factor because you’re going to need a big strong referee in there.
Now i’ll be honest with you hands up in the other chap i mean i wish i could have checked this further.
I would like to know what his physical stature is, because in there you’ve got wilder here is six foot seven and you’ve got fury, which is six foot nine and the combined weight for these two bear in mind.
We don’t know what the weights are and how they could be coming in.
So obviously it could be a big fluctuation, but okay there’s a lot of weight in there and if it’s going to be physical, if it’s going to be draining if you’re going to need to separate them, if it could be that kind of dog fight which it Well could be and is my suspicion.
Then the ref is going to be a factor in this one, because you know you you could have the wilder camp saying fury could be leaning on him too much if that would be say, for example, a technique um to to wear out the small amount.
Also, with fury being so big, i’m going to be curious, tomorrow’s, i think gon na at least take one of the boxes to how i think how the fight may go is with the weights of the two respective fighters, but we’ll cover that later, but i’m interested In the ref, because i thought it would have been one of the top five least top 10, more notable refs in there, and i thought there would have been a uk uh judging there as well, which is a little bit puzzling.
Bearing in mind the controversy from the first flight, because i’m sorry it did go with the points, no you’ve got my feelings with you know it’s a 2-1 fight and obviously you know most uh refs would have stopped the fight.
Obviously, after that heavy knocked down in the last round, but it did go to distance fury, should have won that fight by decision.
Clearly it didn’t happen, and i’m just surprised that um, no nobody from britain in there, the the ref uh just quickly glancing over his uh record here, who has been referring professionally since the late 90s, just for example, last year uh, he wrapped the lomachenko lopez fight Um, and also earlier in this this year talk about heavyweights.
He did the uh jared anderson kingsley.
I bet fight uh, he’s he’s based in las vegas.
He i’m telling you i don’t know how physically big is.
He seems like a.
How do i say this uh? Well, certainly, a veteran uh, but old uh, you know.
Is he gon na be big? I i don’t think so to answer that question uh, but in terms of uh the judges on hand.
Let me let me give you this line wise felt that the fellow who replaced the woman is one of the sport’s most respected judges and his judge fights professionally for 20, 29 years since 1991 and weisfeldt was recently involved in five of top ranks fight cards in Las vegas, so you know when it comes to who these fellas are, and just so you know tim cheatham, the other, the other judge involved in this uh.
Some i mean his record speaks for itself as well.
He’S re he’s judged.
Sorry he’s judged 486 belts that this guy is uh very well respected, uh just a few.
But if they’re all bent there’s a bit of uh from trump’s curiosity, which lomachenko fight, did he ref? Oh, i mean look.
I think you said an early one as long as it wasn’t the uh, no no uh 10th uh 10th month.
What’S that october october 2020.
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So, oh okay, as long as it wasn’t his uh machenko’s second, was it the second or third belt when he went straight into world title and the the ref in for that sorry just was just awful if that was going to be the ref again um that Just would have been a whitewash, because that fight was completely manhandled and should never have um been uh handled the way in which it did sorry considering.
Well.
All i’m saying is i i i in my humble opinion, and anyone can google this uh.
If you just take a quick look on uh box wreck uh under under uh russell mora’s uh, let’s call it his resume his boxing resume.
He has handled some of the bigger fights uh over the past few years, uh that have been uh.
You know title title fights so [, Music ].
You know nothing that, but but he bounces from weight class, so he doesn’t he’s not stuck in one weight class.
I really like uh what boxing scene had to say.
I quoted earlier what they had to say about weiss felt uh, tim cheatham.
If you take a look at his resume, as i said, 486 bouts um quickly, i don’t know quickly.
He did he did just earlier this year, uh the victor ortiz robert guerrero fight um.
Oh, he did the uh in july the jermell charlo versus castano fight um, so he himself has uh judged um wow uh.
Quite a few of the uh title fights in the past year alone, like just josh, he did.
The josh was judging the josh taylor, jose ramirez fight uh.
He judged the soul, alvarez billie, joe saunders, fight um.
Just a few i mean this.
This fella has been busy uh.
So these these guys.
If you ask me now interesting thing about the judges, because i was curious about this too – and it took a bit of like i said: uh, it’s not front page news, but speaking of front page news.
The other third judge dave moretti.
He has a very, very, very interesting backstory in terms of losing his job was unemployed when his wife was pregnant before before they moved to las vegas and headed for a fresh start, so uh.
But, interestingly enough i mean he has done everyone from roy jones jr anthony tarver uh, those kinds of uh fighters, and he here’s a quote uh from the buffalo news, where he was originally from uh.
He has presided over some of the most monumental bouts over the past 25 years.
His first big title fight was the epic larry holmes, jerry cuny clash in 1982.
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So in terms of fight experience, these these guys aren’t, shall we say featherweights.
I think they’re very well respected, purposely chosen uh and i think how old is he? How old is he that was a good one? He was.
He already was 59 when this article was written in 2004.
So add what 17 years to uh 59 – i don’t know 70 70-something he’s pretty old, hmm interesting.
At least you haven’t got adelaine bird in the lineup, neither because that would be disaster, but they haven’t seen so much of her recently anyway.
After all, those ludicrous decisions that she’s given over the past few years um, but no it’s good that uh, it’s not any of the usual suspects from the uk.
We haven’t got adelaide bird in the lineup, but i still think that it should be.
It’S been fair.
It should be and always think it should be.
You know with us being uk us.
It should be one from each with one neutral, i’m surprised, um, the fury camp haven’t stipulated that and uh still this time.
It’S thursday there has been some shifts around.
As you said earlier um, it could all well change yet [, Laughter, ], so, okay, the only reason i was bringing that up is because we had brought it up yesterday and neither was actually knew who the ref or the judges were.
So i did a bit of googling found out for us uh.
I i personally okay, i’m in canada, so i’m i’m smack in the middle of uh, uh, britain and america so uh.
I think i think they’re fair decisions and in terms of why they were chosen because they have incredibly good lengthy resumes credentials, are well respected.
Many minor blemish on russell mora’s uh career when he wasn’t calling local blows during his one specific fight quite a few years ago, but other than that uh incredible resumes for them all.
We won’t need the judges, that’s the great karma.
It works both ways, good point, but it could do because if it does go the way, the first you know right when we will do – and the thing is, is that we do not know – and this is what i said yesterday and it’s one of these things With these fights, it’s not like you’ve got two top athletes, that’s got no history of having to drop weight, come up weight or out the ring for ages or this something the other or drained, or that you know you know it’s not like two middleweights that you Know, what’s going to come to the ring and based on everything, that’s there in front of you can work out generally such who the winner’s going to be there’s.
So many again with this one intangibles with what’s going to happen, so many questions that need to be answered and that will come into play.
I think for the press conference yesterday, because with what malek scott was saying – and i used that word in the right way saying they are going to be trying – and the whole point is that the camp malek scott is trying to pull out of the subconscious they’re Going to quite sort of uh correct with the wording here, the boxing attributes in which wilder did have years ago – and this is what i said exactly the same same – you know the other day where he has a boxing background.
He was a bronze med list.
You can’t get that by not being reasonable at boxing um, but he’s never had to change or improve, because the one punch power that’s been there from day zero and carried him through and bailed him out in each respective fight.
Obviously, apart from brain steven in the first fight now, if they manage to do what they say, it’s going to be a very good fight, and i would that’s when i would say well: if that’s going to happen, he can.
He can prove that he could do that um.
Definitely a wilder win, but again, if it does, if it’s not going to be a fury blast out and it’s somewhere between the two and it gets messy um, it’s a bit of a shootout, then you know the problem is: will wilder even if he has learned How to box better and set up the punches better? Is he going to return back to old form when that happens, or is it there clearly at the subconscious into the conscious mind and he would be able to box accordingly, whether that be from the word go in the first round or when the going gets? Tough? That is, one question needs to be answered and nobody can answer that one until fight night.
You know you know what i’m curious about having having thought about the other controversy.
That’S arisen.
I’M curious as to whether or not wilder will come out in a speedo.
Given his comments about uh, you know his legs being a little uh tired with all that heavy uh boxing.
I was gon na come into that later on right here again right.
It just it.
You just reminded me of some of the questions here.
Audrey harrison got a medal.
Yes, it’s a gold medal yeah.
He was a good boxer, otherwise he would not have got a gold medal.
You cannot, carl, you cannot go through the amateur system, whether it be a bad year better year or a harder year without being a good boxer.
He was a good boxer and i’m choosing my words exactly here, not great, not elite, therefore, because he was a good boxer, that’s why he won the european championship.
That’S why he had, and that is his past tense, a lot of money in the bank.
At the end of the day, he was a good boxer and he got a gold medal.
Accordingly, he even won at the prize fighter twice he can box.
Well, he just didn’t transfer from the amateur system over to the professional system in the correct way because of he was managing himself and he made incorrect decisions on many um levels, including training, therefore been out improving from an amateurs and professional.
But was he a good boxer? Yes, he was a good boxer, not great, not elite.
No, that’s why he wasn’t a world champion or was one of the greatest.
No, he was a good boxer and a gold medal and a european title reflected that.
So that’s it with with audley harrison, because god i’ve seen people sort of bring that up a number of times.
You cannot say that somebody that gets a medal, whether it be bronze silver gold.
You are a good boxer, plain and simple, whether it be a weaker olympics or whether it be a harder one, because it does vary, but you have to go through such a um system, such a lengthy period of time, with all the box offs, etc.
To get there, so nobody can say he is a bad boxer.
Sorry, i just had to put that point to uh rest there good, thank you.
So, just because wilder got a medal, doesn’t mean he have skills.
Yes, he did have.
You cannot get a bronze medal and have no boxing skills right categorically, no categorically impossible, simple fact: it’s how boxing works um now, where on the green, is that the boxing skills didn’t – and this is the whole point i’m trying to make with all of this – is That he hasn’t needed to improve.
Let me put this on properly right.
He hasn’t needed to improve since moving over to the professionals, because his punches always bailed him out, and i said this the other day, and this is what uh manic scott said in the press conference.
And what they’re trying to do is the correct thing, which gives me a little bit more confidence in what they’re doing, at least they recognize what is lacking.
But it’s just that good old question about uh what they have practiced.
What you know, the theory is the rest of it.
Will it transpire that way and be an effective tool on the night against fury question mark sorry, i just had to uh put that one to bed as such, so we’ve gone through all the various uh, tangible and intangible uh aspects.
We believe, anyway, of the fight uh from the training, nutrition, mental health, um, oh and by the way, speaking of now, your your google, whatever enabled phone listening to you unbelievably.
My top news item in my google news on my phone today was the mental health issues that had come up quite a few years ago.
I couldn’t believe it.
I could not believe it complete sidebar.
I apologize, but i couldn’t believe uh that the very first news is not any news, but the news item in my feed today was tyson fury’s mental health issues which, by the way i read – and he blames it uh his mental health um condition.
He blames on drinking too much and doing too much cocaine.
He admits it so well.
His father has gone on record to say that he has it and yes, um mental health as a rule not always but is, is hereditary and um.
You can see similarities with with the two.
You know it’s his mental health.
All of that this is the only effect that can have with the fight is if the going gets tough because again, as i said yesterday, um and it applies to wilder with the two respective fighters and it’s putting the two of them down at the same time, I don’t favor one personally over the other, and i know a lot of people would shoot me for this.
But you know: let’s go over to wilder.
First, going into the first fury bout, so take fury out the equation.
Who is the best record who’s? What’S the best win on his record, you’d have to say louis ortiz, okay, so how many um tough? We call it layman’s terms how many tough fights has he been in one fight, luis ortiz, that is it now moving over to fury how many tough fights has he had well, the klitschko fury was at his best.
That was, i still think, his best performance of his career.
He was at his peak at that point um.
As far as a boxer goes and as far as the heavyweight boxing goes, you don’t see that that only comes around once every few years, and this is no fault of furies and there’s no fault of wilders, i think, is the fact that again, with fury as Far as hard fights where you go through adversity to to prevail, how many fights has hard fights has fury had? The answer is zero cunningham absolutely, but the problem was cunningham.
Dect, fury and people say: oh he’s, weak chin, because you know that the guy who was next cruiserweight, um uh champion steve cunningham, he’s only because he he crouched down and tyson can struggle with smaller fighters coming up and i think the three knockdowns in his career.
Here’S that one and there’s only been two more have been people that have uh come down from a low coming up and that’s why nothing to do with chins fury’s got very good.
Chin is obviously demonstrated, but he’s not had to that.
Wasn’T a heavy knockdown.
He hasn’t had and pretty much with the cunningham fight.
I think that fury came into it took control and then it finished, if i remember right in the sixth round, could be in the seventh it’s the sixth round.
That was the fight.
I told you, which i had money on for cunningham, actually win and not.
I thought he was actually gon na win, but the odds were so long and he had fury down in the first round.
I mean i was standing up doing cartwheels um, because the odds i can’t remember it was something like 14 to 1 or whatever, and i just think it’s.
Those kind of fights are worth be figured to do it put money on those kind of odds um, but no fury hasn’t been in a hard fight.
You know give and take, and this is why i think that if it goes this way – and i do think i just got my little crystal ball, which can be wrong like it can do for all of us.
I do think it’s going to be a physical fight.
That is one thing i think you know with it being a combination of one and two.
I think it’s going to be a physical fight.
I think that um, while there’s going to be the wider, is going to be the one that’s going to be coming in, who can improve more because fury’s mastered boxing fury master, how to beat down wilder.
You know, i think, there’s nothing else to add to what he’s got in his toolbox.
Welder can only improve or not improve um.
So with all these intangibles putting it into the mix, i think it’s gon na be a fiscal fight.
I think it could be a closer fight and in a dog fight.
What would you want to call it a slugfest or going into the trenches? Whatever terminology you want to use, it’s going to be a harder fight and both of them have not have got a minimal experience of hard fights and prevailing, and you know when you were just talking about the mentality side, i think with either fighter.
Anything can happen because both of them in the both respective ways are, i was about to say, mentally fragile, no just unpredictable, that’s the word i should be using.
Both of them are unpredictable.
One may be a little bit more than other for different reasons and they’re.
Both unpredictable in their own ways.
You know it could be some kind of crazy finish to this fight, where it’s going to leave a bad taste in mouth one way or the other, it might be unsatisfactory.
Um people might be uh calling out for a fourth night, a full fight.
No thank you three’s enough um.
I just got.
I just got a funny feeling that you know you’re gon na come away from the fight and it’s not gon na, be that’s it done and dusted.
No more! There’S going to be some kind of um [ Music ] incident wrong word, but controversy there’s going to be some controversy there now see with the comments.
Fury has more heart, yes demonstrated, but you can’t say wilder hasn’t only because he hasn’t been put in that situation flat on his back and with something up in the sky, lifting him up and coming back from about the heaviest knockdown.
You could ever come back from uh fury.
Has that big tick absolutely by his name? Uh wilder, you don’t know but based on, and this is why we’re talking about the chin as well yesterday – is that from that fury second fight wilder does have a good chin.
Um fury hit him with some real clubbing hard shots.
Yes, he lost.
Yes, it was a a gradual, beat down um the the punch that put him down in the was it the second or the third round, whichever one it was uh.
It wasn’t like a punch to chin, he went down, it was a club from the top and it was a club in hand from the top that had a lot of weight behind it and that’s why he went down and landing up and bursting his eardrum.
Whatever um, whatever the damage was but he’s got a good chin, he doesn’t go down easy lewis ortiz, but that was one fight, whereas that’s come back from adversity, but that is about it.
So i think that if it goes to the trenches, this is what i’m trying to get at now without going to, of course, if it goes down to the trenches either, one of them might have some kind of frailty, and you might you know, wouldn’t surprise with Just one more sun objective: i just think it’s going to be there’s going to be something unsatisfactory with the conclusion of the fight just a feeling, just that crystal ball, which can be wrong.
Well, i i think what we’ve ascertained uh in our discussions is that wilder had more more to learn after that beat down, quite frankly with respect to his, shall we call it fighting style.
He is well known or was well known, to rely on his rather emphatic right hand, so he had more to learn and has he been taught what he needs now to be fury? That is the question uh i would, i would argue yes uh.
I would argue that uh for all the reasons we’ve mentioned in our previous discussions, uh, you know if our betting man, i would bet on – and i will uh say that uh being the underdog, so i’m going against the grain.
If you will, i think wilder is going to win this fight, but i think he will actually score a knockout.
I think he’s intending on not and the reason i say this is because of the training videos that were shown online, which we haven’t seen from the fury camp, uh, absolutely demonstrating how effectively he’s gon na move from the liver shots up the body to the head And defending in the meanwhile and i’m this is nothing to do with.
I was born in england, so it’s nothing against the english carl.
I just simply think that wilder had more to learn since his beat down by fury.
I think he has learned what he needs to learn in terms of boxing skills and, if you put those together in his arsenal with that wicked right uh, he has a chance and i believe, he’ll execute uh to knock out fury.
That’S my prediction: okay with mine um, and i will give an outright decision instead of sitting on the fence, the city and the fence.
Side of it comes into play with.
As i said yesterday, my head says: fury and it’s like the the joshua usyk one joshua.
You know my my head said: uh joshua.
He should he’s got the physical um advantages.
He just didn’t use them.
Obviously, on the night – and i did predict usic would win the crystal ball.
Did you work that night, which is which is good and again it’s the same with this one fury should win well effectively.
He’S he won the last one, so the natural conclusion is he wins again, but just looking into it and again it’s more of a gut feeling, instead of as opposed to my head saying that you know this should be happening and i go with fury winning the Fight, i just think that you’ve got wilder is the only one that can really improve.
Fury doesn’t need to improve as such from the the first fight and it’s the case.
Sorry, the second fight, rather and it’s all down to as well with the disruption with the time off whether fury can actually repeat exactly what he did in that first fight, because you’ve got to remember that you know they last fought.
The second fight was what it was uh february.
It was january february 29th, the last year either one there’s been, you know coming up to two years, since the two of them have both fought and when you have the time off the time off will favor or should i say it will hurt the boxer more Than the puncher one second, i just need to slap my dog because she is biting me.
They’Re sharp teeth.
Believe me: yes, the the time off will um affect the the boxer more so taking that into consideration, i don’t personally buy into how they look on the internet, because you know that could be a true reflection of what is happening or it could be a complete Loss leader red herring, however, you want to put it fury released and it could be a bad thing or it could be a good thing.
But hearing that was trouble and, as i said, i did double check that because i thought that was the case.
There was issues in the fury camp, initially um, it wasn’t as harmonious, regardless of it being good now, which it appears it was it’s not as harmonious as it was this.
The first time around with sugar hill steward with this um training, stopping restarting again that the whole procedure and the way it’s been called off and put back that will favor the puncher as well.
Even if wilder is trying to box more with all this into the pot, i have to say that i do think that the banana skin is going to take place again, and i think that wilder is going to upset the odds.
But you know the headset head says tyson that crystal ball, i’m not going to say heart again, but the crystal ball says uh wilder and i cannot shift and it’s it’s just you know anybody can give an easy prediction for this, because it’s either you’ve got a 50, chance of getting it right, so anyone that goes – oh yeah, plucking out thing there.
Yet it’s going to be fury or wild or whatever they need to be right or wrong.
So you know there’s going to be a lot of people out there saying oh see.
I’Ve got it right.
Well, you know, i think my daughter would probably say, because she’s never heard of wilder and she’s heard of fury, she’d, probably say um fury so and the other thing which i’m going to briefly bring up, and this is when um it’s.
Oh no, but i do have some strong beliefs with this is the glove gate situation or more precisely because i don’t think there’s any weights because with how it works with the inspection go into the ring and come to the time of actually that first bell goes.
You cannot add weights into a glove that is physically impossible if they have been checked correctly in the dressing room.
But what you can do is you can manipulate the glove and i still think i’m never going to say that this definitely happened or that definitely happened.
But i do think there was something in inverted brackets wrong with the gloves now.
I’Ve had this discussion uh and a near-heated discussion with a friend of mine um because he says absolutely not.
He said to me, you know to do this kind of thing.
There’S got to be history of it, and i said yes, there is history and it is categorically undeniable history.
When i told you about the situation with the fight with christian hamer, where the glove was passed in the changing room by the time they got to the ring, the thumb was off of the glove and the belt was delayed because they had to change the glove Or gloves, would it be just one or they did the whole uh fresh too? I don’t know that particular fine.
So there is possibly you choose my words right history of glove manipulation.
There question mark, i can’t say: definitely: yes, um only a handful of um people can say definitely yes or definitely no, because they’re not there, but when and i’m going to use this example again, because it is a very good example.
When you take my mum, a 79 year old, put her in front of the tv and you say to this 79 year old, what can you tell me if there is anything at all is wrong with what is going on now, i didn’t even say: look at The gloves, could you see anything strange? Is there any? She said, and this was the second bound.
This was moments before it was stopped, it wasn’t slow motion or anything.
She said.
Oh there’s something wrong with his gloves.
A 79 year old said that into thrown into the pot with this, you have got sparring partners and the trainer of a couple of the other fighters that were in the gym.
At the same time, showing gloves with with padding taken out now a lot of people jump on the that fact and they say absolutely see because it’s happened there that happened in the pro ring.
I don’t believe that’s the case, because you cannot take it out.
Come fight time, because if it’s passed correctly, you cannot take it out before the fight and that could be you know a sparring partner or it could be somebody that was shafted by i’m just talking hypothetically here by the fury team and with that could be a Bit of payback or something you just don’t know what goes behind them.
You know there’s only a handful of people that truly know, but the only thing i’m going to say is: there are jesuit words right again, a possibility of something that was not right, and that cannot be argued to the point.
This was brought up in the uh judgment when you had, obviously whether the third fight should happen between the two and with the arbitration and in the evidence that was given uh it was submitted back.
There were fights that were given to the judge, apparently where they had clips going back to the christian hamer fight, which was either one or a couple of fights before he challenged klitschko and obviously the video which i was sent over to with the the thumb that Was off i mean: how did that happen? A judge and judges should get things right showed enough.
He would show enough proof for that to be a major factor in the decision for a third fight to take place.
The good thing is regardless, what happened? You know people can have say crazy for that or absolutely because there’s people both sides or i’m literally in between, because if you cannot say categorically what did happen or didn’t happen.
Nobody can, apart from that team, and that is it and only maybe even a whole team didn’t know it could be just a couple of people that did something you do not know, nobody can say yes or no.
There was possibly something but again, this is something that’s going to be answered on the night, and this is what i said to a good friend of mine.
I said at the end of the day, if fury goes in there, because all gloves are going to be checked any form, you know each stage whether it be checked in the dressing room, leaving the dressing room entering the ring about to fight and just before that Bells ring it’s going to be trip, quadruple triple checked all the rest of it.
You know there can be no uh, um cries of foul play whatsoever and, if fury can repeat what he did in that second fight or he looks as heavy-handed, then all those claims of skullduggery could be put to rest.
But it’s just something else.
The reason why i’ve just brought it up is just another question mark, because this is why, when deciding with who’s going to win, i’m not going to win bear in mind, it could be one punch that could just reverse everything anyway and then somebody can say.
Oh yes, i got it right, it could be a lucky punch, but just throwing this again into the pot where it’s wilder, it’s going to be the only one that can improve in this fight and even if he, let’s.
You, though, he’s not going to be the second coming of muhammad ali or something, but if he could improve just that little bit and i believe that fury is not going to become he’s not going to come into the fight as good or as effective.
He was in the second fight, just because some of the factors with, as i said earlier with the time out the ring, the disturbed training again, that’s going to favor the the puncher as opposed to the boxer.
All these factors you have to lean towards a more even fight, that’s why i think it’s going to be a slugfest and if it is a slugfest, it’s going to be a hard fight.
I can only think, and i’m one for banana skins at the moment that wilder is going to land, that it won’t be a lucky punch, but he will land, he will connect and he will win.
That is what my gut is saying or the crystal ball, but my head says fury because he should do like aj should have done really with yousek and in the rematch with aj music.
You know, i would say again: u6 is going to win, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a lot closer, there’s controversy in that fight and whatever, but i think again with that fight, it’s aj is the one again that could only improve you’re, not gon.
Na get much more of a music apart from something that’s completely different like he said.
If they had a rematch, he would come in with a completely different game plan and he said there’s so much uh more to come from him.
And i won’t doubt that that is the case, but based on just what we see and that could just be talk because fighters do we all do you know we all talk crap whatever it’s crap, it might not be whatever.
I just think that in the rematch again, aj is the only one that could improve as opposed to usic because doesn’t need to, because that was him on running on all engines with the correct game plan he won about.
But i think if they had a rematch i’d say usyk again, but aj should make it more competitive if he use all of his attributes more effectively and i think fury will.
But it’s going to be a closer fight.
It’S going to be a closer physical fight.
I don’t think it’s i think it’s going to be draining physical, you watch what’s going to happen, is you’re going to get a ko in the first round.
After saying all of this blah blah blah blah blah first round either way.
Whatever anything can happen, this is boxed, and this is why we love.
It certainly is for me because it is unpredictable unless you go in and watch a mission, a mismatch, and i hate those fights where you go in.
You just know who is going to to win.
I hate those fights.
You don’t know that with this fight, and this is why the the flight card is so good.
Effia jagbar versus frank sanchez, both unbeaten both got pedigree, that’s not a proven pedigree and a lot of um thoughts about who is going to win and who is not going to win.
That fight is based on how we perceive they are um.
What they’re capable of as fighters, because you haven’t seen what they can do against higher echelon fighters? Uh sorry, echelon fighters, um, so that’s based on gut feeling – and you know i think, jack burst – should win.
That would surprise me sanchez, because you’ve got there again.
You’Ve got a puncher versus the boxer.
The cuban is well scored, he’s very good, but untested a jaguar heavy puncher untested so you’re going into a bit of the dark with that fine, and what else is there? The fight on that you’ve got the uh kawanaki and helenius rematch as well.
Uh helena won the first one by knockout um, with this one, i’m going to say kawanaki by knockout, because helena’s over the past few years or up until he had that break from boxing because he went out of it.
He was still, and that was after the uh, the derek jezora fight, where chisol should have won it.
It was uh abroad.
I’D.
Have you seen that fight? It’S a very good one, one of the best performances i think from zora ever and that was his first fight after his bout with vitaly klitschko where he lost him points for the the wbc title um.
He was a very good fight.
I said helenius a very good fighter, but the problem is after that fight.
He just went a bit of a straight left.
Another reason why went away? He came back since coming back.
He then lost to dillian white uh and then has been sort of knocked out by two or three fighters and has looked a shot fighter now.
He won the first fight with kawanaki, but even in doing so to me he looked very rickety on his legs.
I should definitely be pro him if i’m going to be patriotic whatever, but he was very wobbly on his legs.
Uh he looked a shot fighter, but he caught kawanaki kanaki didn’t recover.
Kawanaki lost with that one again: sorry kawanaki that can get it right can come in fitter instead of thinking he was going to wipe out and just that for me, it’s a kawanaki win as well.
I think a jackpot is going to win that fight um.
My prediction for uh helenius losing against karnaki and i think wilder is going to ko fury, um and i think, under some kind of unhappy circumstances, with complaints from the opposite opposing team.
Whichever way it goes, how do you see the undercard as well? Absolutely it’s going to be a great night and it was all set up because it’s your birthday, so i i like i like i like what our uh chatters are doing in the chat room.
I mean they’re, saying the exact same thing.
You know wilder without a doubt has has that great punch and an opportunity to score a knockout uh as yet we all agree uh fewer being the better boxer.
So but again my decision came down to personalities and uh.
You know like you’re, saying flip the coin.
So i’m flipping the coin uh but uh, i’m pretty, i’m predicting.
Why? Because i didn’t like what fury was saying you might recall.
I said that a week or two ago, but i said you know i just didn’t like what he was saying in the press.
I just didn’t like um, you know just how rude he could be uh, so i didn’t like that level of chirping and then, at the end of the day, for that reason alone, i’m hoping for wilder to knock out fury, knock him out and shut him up.
That’S it that won’t change, that’s and by the way, by round three.
Why? Because wilder has to come out fast and furious as as opposed to auntie joshua, who should have done the same thing and taken advantage of his reach early in that match.
He didn’t and and he lost so this is where i disagree and be interested obviously to see what’s going to happen to the weekend.
I think it’s going to go later and i think it’s going to go into the mid part into the second sort of sixth.
Seventh, eighth round and it gets a bit moorly a bit untidy and i think that’s where the conclusion either way is gon na happen.
I think if fury’s gon na win, it will be um probably slightly later, just because if he won’t be as effective as he was in that second fight, i just can’t see with everything i discussed earlier.
Look at the time off, disrupted training mindset, all the rest of it.
I can’t see him being as effective as the second fight, even if he wins um and i just think wilder it could be more effective.
I don’t think it’s going to happen earlier.
I can see where you’re coming from with that, because you know it’s like with aj’s.
He said you know for him to beat you sick.
One trail of thought is he’s got to come out early and start banging, but the problem is that.
Can i think, in my opinion, that can fall into u6 trap as well right because he would have been more than you know with his a plan and b plan, whatever um he didn’t know how joshua was going to come out yeah.
There were lots of reports about joshua being light, so the assumption was that he was going to come in and box which he did, but it could have been a complete loss leader and he could have come out and just you know, try to blitz him as It appears is what he should have done because he lost you know boxing the boxer um, but i still think if he comes out and blasts, i think they’ll be playing in two or six hands and i think he should still go for um.
A distance win.
Uh, sorry, it’s going off the topic of uh, fury wilder but um.
This is there’s some parallels with the with the two and this is why so many people have been so split over who is gon na win? Who isn’t? Even if there was a categoric uh favorite in both respective fights going in obviously joshua was the the huge uh was a huge favorite.
He said he was the favorite anyway and uh few with this one, and i can see why the odds are for fury because he should win.
He’S got um that the last fight they had was a seven round beat down um.
He should win absolutely, but it’s just the set of circumstances surrounding it that i just think is going to dictate and change what should be a fury, victory to a possible wilder victory and that possibility i’m leading towards 60.
40.
55.
45.
Probably wrong.
But, as i said earlier, this is why we love boxing, because you cannot say nobody can say because whoever you think is going to win and they could they could be.
It could be round nine, ten, whatever in the championship fight.
You know 11 11 to 12 and it could be how you thought it was going to go, but then the other person could turn around and just catch up with the lucky punch.
So that is everything that you said correctly out the window and it could happen.
That is why we love the sport, because unless it’s a mismatch, you know you cannot tell it is great and that’s why i specifically love it and i just hate mismatches i’ll.
Never watch, but this has got me excited and a lot of people say no.
We don’t want to see this fight.
I really do because of the intangibles with this um.
I’M more excited for this one as i am as i was.
You know, compared to aj versus oozing yeah uh, i’m just trying to think there’s anything else that i just wanted to add to it.
Um the weight is going to be very interesting.
As i said yesterday, i think that um, a lot of people would probably say suicide for taking this approach, but i do think wilder should come in lighter than he was last time because in that second fight career heaviest regardless he clearly lost that fight.
I think every round he clearly was a beat down.
He categorically lost, so he’s got to do different, so everything in the second round and that formula for him, okay to a certain degree in the first fight with fury, but in every other fight.
That lightweight has worked against him.
Yes, he hasn’t come across somebody as physically imposing as fury but um.
Seeing the two respective weights of them will be.
I think, very interesting um.
You know like it was again with aj usyk, who said come in and he looked a proper heavyweight and it’s like with that fight again, you know it’s sometime, it’s time that passes that can help or hinder how a fight is going to go because you had You know like i said it was just under a year between music fighting last, which is against deutsche, which was halloween so late october last year and going through to the the fight in what was it on september 25th, that was 11 months.
Now that again helped you sick, because he grew more into a heavyweight instead of the cruiserweight, but just some added on pounds.
He looked physically different.
He did in that fight a year ago and that’s something else that was working his favor and it’s one of the reasons why i was leaning towards music in that fight, and i just think it’s circumstances.
You know with the crystal ball that we try and look at, but all that crap can go out the window when the other person goes smack one punch done.
There was something else i wanted to bring up.
I cannot remember what it was: um [, Music, ] referee, that was it just back to the referee.
The referee again could have such a deciding factor over to this, and i’m just going to go back to the first fight.
This ref and most refs would have waved off that fight with fury on that horrendous knockdown in round 12.
.
So i just think the ref is going to play an important part for this fight.
Maybe some complaints from whoever loses maybe uh, especially if it’s a physical fight.
I just think that’s going to be a contributing factor somehow in some way, because from what you’ve said as much as he’s a very competent ref, you do need to handle these guys and if it gets physical and they’re going to be clinging on, it becomes a Grueling fight the ref, that’s when refs can struggle and i think he needed as much as kenny bayless was the ref in the second fight and kenny bayless’s.
He was 69.
Then i guess that’s why he he’s now what 70.
So i guess that’s why they didn’t choose him again at some point, even if you’re good for age you’ve got to stop um now interesting fight, i can’t wait.
I can’t wait for the whole fight card.
So for me it’s uh.
You know it could be easy, because you’ve got a 50 chance of getting it right, but i’m going to go for wilder just and you are wilder as well and probably going to be uh, not disappointed if it goes the other way and emotionally or from what.
I want from the fight.
I want water to win only i like fury, i like wilder, only because of how it’s going to go beyond the fight.
If right wilder was as far as the opening up, you know, if wilder wins, there’s not going to be a fourth fury fight the winner of white versus wallin is going to be next in line, and i think dylan white is more than uh he’s he’s.
If he wins the fight with uh walling, which is definitely not a gim me um, you know he’s more than earned.
He shot.
I think at the title and that’d be an interesting fight with boulder and uh white.
If that happens – and i just think it opens that just just up a little bit more because you know i’ve, there’s a lot of english people will hate me for saying this.
But i was sick and tired of just writing about fury, wilder, sorry, fury joshua.
All the time to the point, as i said yesterday, where i actually stopped writing about it, and it was typical that the first time i i didn’t uh write about it for months and the day i did it was cancelled the next day i thought that’s sword’s Law, um, because i could see something was going to happen, but it’s getting closer.
Okay, it’s gon na happen now start writing.
They got cancelled the next day.
This is a funny little thing that happened to me with that one um.
It’S i want to see the division you know opened up because you know you could have.
If you had fury versus aj and whoever wins, then there’s going to be rematch clause again and then say: oh it’s just yeah.
It would have been it’s not so much finding demand now because joshua’s just lost um.
If you’re interested in the fury did lose.
You could have a fight of the losers as such um that has been mooted as one possibility, but i just think it just opened up the division.
Um long story cut short if wilder wins and based on that.
I want him to because it’s all been tied up with the same people for too long and the the headlines and negotiations that go on and on and on.
And if you re, for example, if they did announce fury versus aj, it would be whatever period time and then you could have a delay and then it’s this again and that again it just ah, no no i’ve gone completely off that fight for many reasons, um.
So i want wilder to win.
Hopefully he does nothing against either the fighters in any way whatsoever, um so kawanaki to win, and i think ijagbo to win.
That’S my three predictions and let’s see if how wrong they are because it is boxing it’s either gon na.
Be one or the other an idiot can get it right, so yeah, let’s see well, i’m certainly looking for the best versus the best going toe to toe and having a great night out with my pals, we’ll be down in niagara falls which, if you look on A map, if you were to fly from nottingham to las vegas, is probably i’m going to hazard a guess right smack in the middle um.
Geographically speaking, so i’m going to be having a great time on saturday night watching that uh entire card um, and i hope you have a great time on your birthday as well.
It’S uh, it’s gon na, be a lot of fun.
It’S gon na be very entertaining without a doubt and uh.
Let’S see what happens, we’ll talk about it on monday, absolutely apart from that until then, um have a good time enjoy the evening.
Yeah cheers thanks very much see you later.
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