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Thank you once again for joining us on talking fight and boxing 247 christian and graham, as we discuss who’s next in the lineup for the heavyweight championship, as it rolls through the next two big fights coming up this weekend and then on your birthday on october.
9Th uh, but after that what happens? Next we have a whole lineup of uh heavyweights contending and it is it’s quite a good list.
I mean, i have to admit i’ve.
I’Ve gone through several times since we talked about it yesterday.
Uh, do i have a favorite going in no there’s there’s a few off the chart kind of contenders, though i’d like to talk about, but who do you think’s uh up next christian? What do you think? Well, the problem we have is the as we had the aj versus usyk uh press conference today and do 16.
Uh stressed the fact – and i like how they added it into uh the interview where they said that uh it was word something like and uh look forward to the rematch.
Whichever way that goes around, so you know, the those titles by the wbc is obviously going to be held up for a period of time, uh in line to that.
Obviously, you’ve got the the mandatory uh fighters now those fighters – i can only imagine – aren’t going to take any risks.
So it’s then going to domino down further down the line with who’s going to be i mean these heavyweights are going to have to face each other.
Otherwise, they’re going to be waiting around for a shot uh, certainly at everything, excluding the wbc and obviously, which you know with whatever happens, for the wb wbc title with the fury and wilder.
Will there be a fourth match with that? I don’t know what the legalities is, that i can only guess um, that there won’t be a rematch um attached to this one.
So at least the wbc i think after their uh fight will be uh up for uh an available contender um, which is not going to be, i think, um, usyk or aj, unfortunately uh.
What is very interesting in us writing.
There was a post earlier on the website, and that is about obviously the undercard uh on the uh fury welder three on october, the ninth um very, very interesting: uh got effie jagba uh versus frank sanchez, both unbeaten.
The key thing with these.
These two fighters is both are untested if you said, with each uh fighter, who was the best win, there isn’t anybody that stands out, it’s the usual um sort of journeyman, etc.
So talking about those two fighters, we’re looking at potential um who’s going to win over that fight.
I really don’t know.
There’S too many questions with those two, but one unbeaten fighter is going to merge from there and i can imagine they’re going to be getting a good rank in whoever the victor will be um out of those two who do you see uh? What do you know about them so far, i like the nigerian yup jagba, he’s uh he’s really good um.
I actually haven’t seen frank sanchez uh, but the the other just speaking of that card, uh a fighter that uh mike was promoting the other day.
Jared anderson is on that card as well, so he goes by the nickname, big baby for some unknown reason.
The real big baby uh anyway, so yeah so he’s going up against another uh unbeaten fighter, uh russian uh tereshkin.
Yes, so so that’s that’s! Gon na be a really good, a really good fight to watch on on so many different levels, but of the two you mentioned.
I, like the nigerian jaguar sanchez, doesn’t really jump out seeing a couple of his fights, um cuban well schooled, obviously unbeaten um, but there’s a lot of questions in the second to last fight.
He looked very um, open um and it wouldn’t surprise me if he lands up being coyote, but it all depends really um what a jagba is like uh.
You know with his defense because he’s a come forward fighter.
I think he’s been down once i think in his uh career.
I seem to recall that but uh, i think a jackpot i think, will come victorious on that i mean with the two fights that we’ve mentioned.
I think uh and i can definitely see it.
Uh is: is the the two victors, the two respective victors, obviously facing off uh, but it’s a very interesting night because obviously the main event i’m actually looking forward to that.
Obviously, with wilder and fury again, even if it’s the third fight, i still think there’s still so many questions with with that and i think personally wilder is going to get the victory um.
But it’s what a great night um it’s a full card of heavyweights.
Absolutely great you know, moving over from those respective fights, you’ve got joe joyce um.
You know that the chap is sat there.
He’S was in 13, fights he’s got a very good resume and i think actually one of the best resumes out there.
Um, yes, people say he’s very uh plodding he’s like a mummy he’s reminiscent of the the early sort of george foreman and he does get hit.
Luckily, he’s got a very good chin, yes, but his resume is very good and he seems to, and so far has got the job done with.
You know whoever’s put in front of him um.
He did well obviously with daniel dubois winning that fight um with his last fight with sakami.
He was very, very open, which was alarming, but we know he is.
We know that uh that chin can be tagged and that’s bearing that in mind will make.
I think an exciting fight with anybody who’s next up for him.
I don’t know, but he’s definitely up there, and it’s already been stated that he’s going to be after usyk.
He will be the next mandatory wbo um uh, a contender out there.
Um he’s gon na be mandatory, but you know i i do think this aj, you sig thing if they could have two fights, that’s gon na further delay.
Anything that’s gon na happen with um, obviously fury if he comes through that fine, it’s still a bit of a mess um.
Even once we’ve got these two big fights out the way um.
What’S gon na happen is gon na, be the rematch the man you know with with who’s sick, let’s say, for example, aj wins so rematch with usic.
Then you’ve got to deal with the mandatory.
So where does fury you know uh slot? In with all of this, you know, they’d have to pay joe joyce up off um.
The problem is joe joyce, isn’t young and he’s certainly um.
You know it’s not something he doesn’t want to be inactive which he hasn’t been yet.
But what do you do in his place? Do you know he’s gon na have to take some risky fights um.
You know it’s gon na have to be somebody like uh hergovich, a dylan white um.
You know hergovich looks very good, but again it’s all down to what he’s capable of uh as as opposed to proven resume.
Because again, if you said what was hergovich’s best win, there’s nothing that really stands out, and this is the case with quite a few of the fighters out there.
I’M not saying it’s hergovich’s fault that he hasn’t fought some of the best, because apparently they’ve been scouting.
Uh four, you know top opponents for mandatory shots.
I think it’s the d-a-r-i-b, it’s the ibf one um and you know nothing forthcoming whatsoever, um hergovich.
How do you stand with him? I like, like him, a lot um, i’m not so sure.
He’S he’s ready to step up yet uh.
He he’s unbeaten he’s 13-0 um, but i’m not so sure he’s really proven himself.
Um among the big boys shall we say uh in in the same manner, uh the frenchman, uh tony yoka.
He he’s unbeaten but uh.
Yes, you know he’s in that same caliber.
If you ask me uh someone who you brits might want to look out for is a fellow out of california uh michael hunter.
Yes, former cruiserweight who’s moved up one month, so i mean there’s a couple: uh they’re bubbling bubbling under as they say that i’d like to see step up uh.
But as you’re saying i mean, we’ve agreed and talked about it’s a clogged up, uh battle up top that needs to be cleared out and once that is cleared out, um you’ve got some really decent fighters.
Uh waiting for their chance to move up.
I’M not a fan of joseph parker uh.
I don’t really care about derek chizora, either um, but you know those are among the top contenders um that are identified by most of the uh professionals in the business today, but it’s gon na.
So it’s gon na be interesting to see how this all shapes up.
Uh 2022 is obviously gon na be a great year.
I hope, anyway, for depending on how these next two fights turn out.
Uh, it’s gon na be a great great year for these uh up-and-comers and some who are um shall we say middle age, but yeah and even more than that in some cases right.
So i think believe that one to uh yeah, we haven’t even mentioned andy ruiz, uh, andy ruby.
You know he’s uh ruiz, i mean he was he was top, but he’s, i think, a big problem.
This is something that i could talk about some red in the face and it’s all down to weight.
I think that he ate himself or parted himself out of the rematch, with joshua as much as joshua came in and was lighter and a different approach.
That was a combination of that and obviously the horrific weight in which ruiz came in the problem is: is that obviously, with ruiz’s last fight um with the very over the hill uh eric crosariola, he was decked and he didn’t put areola away and mariola no um, Not just him too much but he’s passed past past his best um ruiz looked a little bit gun shy, wasn’t the same, and i didn’t like the the lack of punch, resistance there and going on to the weight, and i think this is a very typical case Of where fighters lose weight, the punch resistance goes about this conversation with so many people, it’s not healthy.
I don’t think ruiz should be coming in as a slender uh lighter or much lighter heavyweight, not just the bluntly.
The beast whale that he came in in that uh, you know rematch, you know in dubai um, but light isn’t right.
The famous uh um angelo dundee quotes um he’s got to go back to what worked for him, and that was obviously the the weight that he came in and was fighting that, obviously in in the first aj fight.
I think that coming down the weights could be the the ruination of him and i think you’ll find it’s just an opinion, but i think you find that he will never find his form again um, because once i mean i’ve put this to so many people, there’s Never been anyone, that’s lost weight and fought successfully and the full um.
How could i put it example of that is: can anyone name a heavyweight that has moved down to cruiserweight and fought successfully right? No, they all end up being fragile and they’ll end up being knocked out because the punch resistance goes – and i think that’s the case with andy ruiz and as far as i’m concerned, he was good lovable guy great and i’m lucky, i’m happy that he did managed To do what he did but uh.
I think that he’d never be the same again.
Unfortunately, which is a shame? No big.
Shame do you think uh otto walin, the swede is going to move up if he beats dillian white that’d be an interesting fight.
Obviously, there’s not many people that are favoring, obviously willing for that, which i find um interesting, because why not i mean he did so well against fury.
He was unbeaten to that point.
He’S had the points decision over brazil since um he’s got.
You know he looked a good fighter, maybe smaller, compared to some of the big juggernauts now, but he he does tick every box, even okay, might not be exceptional with each tick, but he certainly is a solid good uh box, brawler um fighter.
Whichever way we want to look at it, you know he’s very, very uh, good fighter and um.
I think i wouldn’t be surprised if he actually upsets uh dylan what yeah and i think, if he does that um.
I personally think i don’t think he’s gon na go all the way, but um he’s certainly going to be in the mix um, i’m i i do think one will beat uh white and that fight based on how white has looked recently yeah.
It opens up, as i said, as we’re, looking up and down the line, if you will of who’s going to move up and who’s going to move down, quite frankly, to take some of these spots that are going to open up, i mean, let’s just say, fury Wins, let’s just say he quits after that he says: i’ve won it all.
I’M out, you know you guys, you guys fight it out now, if you find out who’s, not you know it’s, i think yeah.
It’S just gon na open up a lot of uh opportunity.
I think and then who’s going to fill those spots and that’s what we’re talking about um.
So i’m kind of curious to see because if white loses, you know, that’s another brit off the off the charts.
If you will and who’s not, i mean i like the nigerian, like i said, he’s going to surprise people, yes very good, um, very, very similar.
To wilder i mean he was actually in a sparring partner for fury, obviously against welder, for this upcoming fight, but uh from what i seem to recall, he’s been taken out of there um for what i heard he was actually too vicious, or how could i put It fury wasn’t looking too good against him and it’s these reports, which could be false, uh, obviously, but full set of security, the rest of it.
But it’s these kind of reports, which is making me think that wilder is going to succeed in this fight.
I don’t think you’re going to see the repeat of uh of fury world of two uh come october, the ninth back on point: yes, the jabber, very good um.
Let’S try, i think, who else is there sort of hovering around you’ve got michael um hunter.
As we said, you’ve got martin boccoli, one loss against michael hunter, um solid fighter, but again nothing exceptional, there’s, no great wins on his record to show that he’s going to be there at the top um tommy, fury, uh, not toby, fury.
Sorry, um moved over to uh boxer, stroke, sky sports and they’re going to be heavily pushing him.
Uh apparently he’s looking very good in sparring punching heavier.
We shall see, but a very good fighter always going to be in the mix um.
But i is just an opinion.
I just think he’s a a b fighter, good fighter ticks most boxes, another one like woolen.
I just think that when every time he moves up to elite he will lose um, which is a shame because very very likable.
Guy very dedicated um, but i just think that that’s another one, that’s going to be just hovering below elite level, but i hope he does well with the push from from boxer, because uh mattress certainly won’t do much with him.
Who else is there i’m just trying to think um? That’S worth mentioning at least even if there’s been some crazy uh rankings and things coming in is pulav coming back.
I’Ve heard nothing, nothing about purely whatsoever, nothing but the the ratings.
Maybe i should have checked on those prior, but the ratings are funny you had in the wba ratings recently rated at number 10.
You had the australian guy that david haye fought, but why he was rated at number.
10 really don’t know um, but i think that the best of the rest at the moment is is going to be the wallins he’s beating brazil.
Let’S take brazil out the equation.
I know it doesn’t work like that, but um dylan white.
I just think he’s gon na be um the nearly man that you know he hung around his mandatory for ages with the wbc he was so close to that um.
I just think he will uh and certainly legacy wise kick himself for turning down um a rematch with uh aj.
He was offered.
I think it was five million or something it was turned down.
Obviously, he’s got his reasons curious to know what they were but uh.
Why you know it would have been a wembley stadium, five million.
I don’t think i just got a funny thing.
He’S gon na never get his uh shots again uh.
I think you’re gon na find that and also wollon is going to to beat him and then it’s gon na be that slope downward from there yeah uh in his last two fights with povetkin uh.
Even if he did win the rematch, you know didn’t look particularly good, very disorganized um, even if it was a first-round blowout, it was just a free-fall, wasn’t measured um and if that was, if you had a povetkin, didn’t stagger into the ring for the rematch uh.
You know again, there could have been another result, but um.
That was a funny one, but it’s you know joe joyce, daniel dubois.
I’Ve mentioned him with just the one loss with uh joe joyce.
I just think he was rushed a little bit into joe joyce.
I think they underestimated him because he is so open and i mean i know he was ahead on the cards before losing to joyce but um.
That was a shame and i think, and certainly he’s young enough to uh come again.
They just need to match him right and not rush the return as such right.
How do you feel about dubai um, middle of the road um? I don’t know it’s it’s one of those you you’ve the way, the way um.
How do i say this? The the way the british think about their own fighters seems to put them on a different level than when compared to global fighters.
So, although we don’t have any uh canadian heavyweight challengers at the moment, the americans certainly do and there’s certainly a lot of them.
You don’t hear a lot out of south america or even central america, so i think daniel dubois is somewhat overrated simply because he is from britain.
That’S my humble opinion.
I think he’d come again um.
I just think they need to match him right because he suddenly got the punch, and i just think that the the defense – and that was a concern i did pick dubois to topple joe, but i didn’t think it was going to end up that way.
I think personally, it can come again, um tony yoka.
I know you mentioned him prior.
You know somebody else which again they’re being very hesitant with who they’re matching him with at the moment gold medalist um he’s got.
You know he ticks again most boxes, but i think he’s never going to become an a a fighter.
I think he’s going to end up being a b plus fighter uh unless they’re just trying to hold back wait for everything to settle then come in and step it up.
At that point it’s got age on his side.
Maybe that’s what’s happening, but there’s nothing.
So far that has said that he’s going to be the one that’s going to uh take over there.
Isn’T it to me there isn’t anything clear cut with with any of them right, they’re, either sort of unbeaten but untested, and that’s why obviously um things were like you know, jack bar and sanchez it’d be good, obviously, sorting that out you’ve got uh, who also got Robert helenius, with uh the polish chap who helenius beats by knockout they’re rematching um, i think helenius will lose the rematch.
The pole should have um got that fight, but um he doesn’t seem.
I know, obviously from body you can never tell who’s the best fighter, but there seems to be discipline or something lacking from him as a fighter certainly looks like it from training anyway um but um there’s nobody else that really doesn’t stick out.
Um jaguar could be, that could be the one, but uh all depends.
I mean we’re about to tell i think on october.
The ninth, i think a few ticks here and there or crosses against some names, are going to be put into place.
True, what i was going to say is something that has come up in conversation on our side.
Among some of the american fighters who we’ve talked to they’ve noticed a different style of fighting coming out of germany, mainly due to the influx of eastern european fighters.
Who are moving to germany and bringing with them a very, not necessarily unique style but a different style? And and although we don’t know their names yet.
I think i think, in the upcoming years we’re going to see uh.
Some german champions, who have had a eastern european heritage quite frankly, in a different style of fighting that is, going to take some more traditionalists by storm.
Quite frankly, yes, i mean the the the top one in that uh bracket of fighters is going to be magic.
Cabal um, obviously, the the former european champion still unbeaten, but he doesn’t fight often enough and was it his last bout.
He fought kevin johnson about, went uh the distance, but johnson had him brock’s and in trouble towards the end of the fight, which was surprising because you don’t usually hear about that with kevin johnson.
I know that in johnson’s prior fight he knocked out the comeback.
In pablo hernandez, but that aside, you know a fighter, who’s, unbeaten and who’s, aiming for the top shouldn’t, be rocked and in serious trouble with kevin johnson at his advanced, advanced age right, and he even vacated the european title to um.
I hate saying this, but to seemingly duck joe joyce um.
This was something that was being being mooted um it no there’s nothing um in his uh prior fights at all.
That gets me excited and he’s hovering.
I can’t remember what he’s uh, i know, he’s uh rated by the wba uh, probably around the 10 12 mark – he’s been hovering around there for for a long time.
But you know his best win is what uh chizzora uh, that was in uh monaco on points very unmotivated.
Chizzora came into that fight, kevin won, but that’s his best win and it seems to have stagnated and it’s just he’s just not moving on for, for whatever reason.
I personally think there’s a lot of um doubt in the camp and i think at some point they’re going to wait for a cashing out fights.
I mean he was top on the the list to face fury a while ago.
Oh sorry, yeah tyson, fury a while ago before the uh before fury, couldn’t fight um yeah, no, nothing with him as well.
It did we’re just speaking about uh the up and comers the guys who are you know, looking to challenge uh as early as next year and realistically, there are so many not only not only names out there but names that we don’t even know yet that are Out there, so i’m looking forward to seeing how the year shapes up after these two phenomenal fights that we have upcoming and you know just to see who steps into the ring next so to speak and challenges i mean and – and i i guess, there’s that other Intangible of uh, who who’s managing them who’s, matching them who’s, promoting them.
You know and like i said, i think, that’s where that’s where the british and the americans have their advantages: uh versus either the french, the germans or australians, even um.
You know, anyway, we’ll see we’ll see what happens, but there’s more than one with the undercard on october.
The 9th there’s certainly no heart well, no holding back with matching top fighters.
I mean when that was announced.
I was so shocked.
I thought this is against the norm.
It doesn’t doesn’t ever happen right um, which is why i’m looking forward so much to that night as opposed to this saturday, which i’m excited for uh, just a quick question just while we’re on to heavyweights um.
Now we’re closer to the date just uh two days any further thoughts on the two of them, um aj.
No, i i stand by what i originally said.
I think uh, this fight is going.
I think joshua is going to knock him out.
I think he’s not going to take him.
I think he’s going to try as early as as quickly as possible to knock him out.
That’S how i see it going wow he’s going to take advantage of his reach.
Uh he’s not going to let you sit him inside and he’s going to he’s going to try, i’m i’m just looking into my crystal ball and like everyone else, you know.
But if you stick with stanzas first six rounds and comes out of those six, then it might go the distance and it might go to points if it goes to points.
It can be anyone’s fight and that’s why i don’t like fights being left in the hands of the judges, but so we’ll see how it goes, but but my money’s on joshua, i think some questions will be answered tomorrow and away and i’d be very curious too.
I know joshua’s going to come, come in lighter, but uh usyk.
Is he going to come in heavier um? Because i think if he does that’s going to take away some of the advantages that uh he could have had coming into the fight? And if he comes in heavier, i can only guess it will slow him down, which is going to make him more of a a target for for aj um very interesting.
I usually a bit more opinionated with who, i think will win and who won’t this one.
I’M very sort of every day soon to be internally changing my opinion from one to the other um.
It’S just usic you just from those two fights, obviously with jizora and with a spoon you just cannot gauge too much from him.
There’S not much to to base it on um people are making a big thing about trying to compare.
You know sort of like evan hollyfield when he moved up and this it’s completely different and who was fighting was uh completely different as well right, um, but then moving on to the ninth with uh fiorin wilder.
That is the one where i’m sticking to my guns.
At the moment, and i’m saying welder in an upset and pending the odds, i will put some money on that and i think welder ko as well.
I just think that uh fury i still stand by it, is going to take this fight with the wrong approach.
I think, and uh you’re gon na have a good fight on a good day against a good fighter a bad day, um, not quite uh douglas versus tyson, but um.
It’S to be a similar kind of thing.
Mindset is going to play a lot with this fight and uh motivation.
Yes, and i think you know looking at how fiora has been partying and that you know he wouldn’t see wilder doing that – absolutely not um.
I stand by that, but uh next year, as you rightly say, it’s going to be an interesting year once the dust settles and uh the dominoes start falling um, it’s gon na be very curious to see who’s at the top and uh who’s gon na be next.
In line, but i still think, though um it’s gon na be an awkward one, because if you know if aj wins, he’s gon na fight music again, if he wins he’s gon na fight, you know aj again so regardless who wins with fury and wilder.
What’S going to happen, then right um, i think uh and a lot of it’s gon na.
You know it would be obviously with the wbc.
It would be um white, that’s next in line, but you know, is he gon na beat walling? That’S certainly no gim me.
That’S right, um, so interesting.
I think at that point then it all depends.
I think fury wins.
Um yeah, there’s a bit of ins and outs, but at least at that point the others are gon na know.
What’S going on and they’ll be able to uh match.
Accordingly, but too many of them at the moment are just trying to tick over with you know, non-meaning of full fights or just not fighting um, but next year it’s gon na be a good one for heavyweights, and you know what, at the end of the day, Bottom line, this is great for boxing the real sport of boxing, not uh, not these other gimmicky type, events that are happening uh.
What we have coming up in the next month is great for boxing uh and what what will be around the corner following these fights? Will be great for boxing everyone has their attention now uh solely fixed on the heavyweight division where it should be and uh, let’s see what happens, it’s gon na be a great year next year.
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