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EPISODE: Episode 4
With Oleksandr Usyk’s defeat of Anthony Joshua, Kristian (boxen247.com) and Graeme (talkinfight.com) discuss the event’s aftermath.
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[, Music, ], [, Music, ], [, Music, ], hello, boxing fans around the world.
Thank you for joining us once again on another episode where this time we’re going to talk about the alexander yousick and the anthony joshua fight over the weekend, which surprised many.
But in retrospect, looking at the the reports didn’t seem to surprise many so uh.
My prediction was that you know joshua had to knock out yousick before the sixth round, or else he’d go the distance and be left in the hands of the judges.
And what we saw was a pretty smart fight by usic.
As a matter of fact, early in rounds round three comes to mind, he took it to joshua, i don’t know i didn’t.
I didn’t see, uh a championship fight out of joshua.
That’S for sure, what did you see christian uh, nearly as good as how i predicted it to be uh? I said a new sick points, win yeah, the only sort of deviation from that i had come fight days.
I just thought my god.
I hope this doesn’t land up being some kind of dodgy uk decision, because there’s plenty of those around at the moment um.
I thought a lot of people when it’s frustrating to uh read a lot of people are bashing joshua over his performance.
Now i don’t think the performance was necessarily bad at all, because the end of the day he could only be as good as what was you know in front of him um.
It’S just a case of.
I think it’s what he wasn’t allowed to do by a very good display from music, which made the difference in the fight uh stars make fights.
I think a lot of people would, you know, base and predicting a a you sick loss based on how well chizzora did against him.
So you know the theory was susic did quite well, so what’s joshua going to do, but it was a completely completely different kind of fight and the other thing that noticed um and i think it will help also if they do have a further rematch is the Case of the period of time, because it must have been approaching, was it when was the uh chizzora usic flight, that was a calendar last year.
So it’s you know looking at ombuds of a year since the original fight he has matured into being a heavyweight.
This was only the third fight at heavyweights um.
Is he a legit one? Now his body looked like it was and uh.
If there’s going to be a march april rematch, which has been spoken about already um, i think as time goes on, i think he will improve even more um.
He says he’s got another plan and you haven’t seen the best of him.
I think that definitely is the case and going into the rematch again i’ll have a ucic as the the favorite for me agreed um, like i said, i was kind of surprised at what little joshua had inasmuch as uh his first few rounds.
He didn’t look like he was going after usyk at all at the 12th round.
He clearly got knocked around um.
You know making the decision relatively easy for the judges.
Quite frankly, so i mean a rematch.
Will joshua be ready? I maybe he will be ready, but i still yes, i agree with you.
I think you can take that one as well, so that will that will line up a very interesting series of heavyweight towels after that, that’s for sure that’s one banana skin out the way.
Obviously, october the 9th we have the second banana skin um.
Let’S say that a second banana skin happens.
You then have obviously fury and you have um aj with uh defeat now.
Will that make a fight between those two easier without the belts both of them haven’t? Taken a loss – i personally think yes and i could be wrong with this, but i don’t think any decision from the aj camp will be announced until um october october.
The 9th has passed so everybody knows what’s happening over there, obviously with fury and what’s happening with the wbc bells as well interesting times but um, and this is why i wanted usic to win, because i just think it just opens everything up.
You know we didn’t have nothing against aj whatsoever, both good sportsmen, both great guys um, but i just wanted it to open up and which is why i want uh.
Will it open up with wilder, i think so, um, because we know what’s gon na happen with fury? If it happens, then it’s gon na be aj and then possibly then rematch with aj and everything’s just going to be tied up for for so long.
But then you know that moves over to then the issue with these rematch clauses and uh, voluntaries and mandatories.
It’S got a kind of worms.
It is indeed and but let’s go back to the fight uh.
You know i i, like i said uh.
I thought joshua’s reach uh would give him the advantage.
It didn’t um, you know, usyk was too fast.
He was moving on his feet, uh, avoiding those long punches and uh.
You know, that’s that’s what that’s.
What surprised me, i think the most is uh joshua was not able to use the reach to his advantage.
Uh, and you said god on the inside and clipped joshua quite a few times.
Quite frankly so – and i thought um that’s the one thing that was lacking was one thing i got wrong.
I thought it was going to be closer.
I thought joshua would have possibly had usyk down sort of early on uh that didn’t happen, but uh you can’t predict it exactly, but um.
No, it just seemed a little bit gun shy seemed a little bit.
Cautious um, you know.
Is this scars from the ruiz fight um? Possibly yes, you know because of usyk was you know landing? You know, since you know the the the you know in the ruins rematch aj.
Well, he didn’t have to worry too much about what was coming his way because um ruiz ate himself out of that fight.
So what do you have in between? You know you? You had um.
You had one fight where pulav really um at his age and he didn’t have sort of put up too much resistance whatsoever.
I still think the scars from the ruiz fight um.
He was being clipped in that first round from music um and i just think he went into um like a semi shell um.
He certainly wasn’t the aj that um that everybody remembers him for, and you know in the rematch, as a lot of people have quite rightly said you know his chance has got to be the old aj.
You know you’re not going to outbox the boxer.
You know you’ve got to you, know out punch the the boxer yeah um, it’s gon na be the only way in which uh aj has any chance, but i think again that will still then fall into um u6 hands if he, if he comes out, throwing um That would probably actually work in using favor um.
So, whichever, whichever way i think aj goes about it, i think he’s going to lose switch of trainers.
People have been harping on about.
I don’t really think so.
It’S a good old situation.
Somebody loses blame.
The trainer was easy that bad a trainer.
We had a lot of success.
You know with him up until ruiz um, and you know you just need the old aj back under mccracken.
That would be fine, interesting.
So what’s next! Well, you know from this this bout.
I was so so so disgusted uh.
I am not one for um.
I’Ve got to put it, putting myself and being vocal on twitter, but the moment the uh campbell hatton fight finished.
I went straight on there, uh type my disgust, i nev.
I never yeah my views, usually with twitter go on there and just type.
You know just read the headline whatever it is: they’re not run, but it went straight on there because i was disgusted to pull chapter come in.
You know, um, he came in.
You know.
Uh late notice, but he came in fit um traveled over here, only to be shafted by the referee scorecard, which was absolutely disgusting, and it just adds another bad um decision uh on the form which the uk is having currently there’s been so many that we can Go back to ebony bridges, we can go back further, there’s been such a good run and it appears to visit in boxes that uh uk is becoming the new germany, how germany was in the 90s um it’s a saturday that sticks out when you mention the whole Card, obviously the the great win by usyk, but the the stinker of a decision um from um.
You know the referee uh, it was horrible, but apparently uh everyone has around hatton has been pushing him to take the rematch with him.
Even eddie hearn was, which was really good to see.
So if they do um do that and do create the rematch, given that the guy a chance to uh, you know right the wrong if he did clearly win the bout um at least that’s fair kind of yeah, i mean it goes back to what we’ve been Saying for a long time, don’t leave it in the hands of the judges and uh there’s an an excellent example once again uh that you’ve rightly pointed out that was left in the hands of the judges and lo and behold we get a robbery.
So you know uh boxing’s got a history of that and they’ve got to change it and yeah.
The uk is bad.
I’M just wondering, though, if uh they need electronic uh help technology yeah.
Yes, something needs to happen or if they use three judges lower down the fight card, but there’s been some um stinkers.
Recently it’s been awful yeah um.
What do you think of the the overall card? I was just about to say: um.
Do you think it was value for money, but then i guess you had it on the zone over with you right.
Obviously, i was watching it in the uk uh, which was 24.
95 pay-per-view um.
It could be worse.
I guess some of the pay-per-views in the u.
s are a lot more expensive than that, but the issue you know when you’re watching that, though, even if it’s 24.
95, knowing that somebody else okay end of september, it changes obviously to the higher price.
But people were paying one pound 99 for that that’s criminal and you’ve got the rest of the world watching it for that price, but it was a reasonable card.
Uh a shame to see the uh, the fighter castillo carried out on a stretcher, but all the reports have been he was fine um.
Obviously, that shows that uh, callum smith has got some firepower up at light heavyweight, which is very interesting to see yeah.
How did you see it? I thought i’m agreeing i just was just about.
I was just about to use the word decent and uh.
I think carl beat me to that word uh, but i thought it was.
I thought it was a decent card um.
You know i’m i’m more excited quite frankly about the october 9 card, but absolutely yeah but uh.
You know uh good value for money.
Last night i mean two nights ago um, so i you know decent card put together, yep lord zacali.
That was a good result expected i mean the challenger wasn’t really known how he became you know wbo mandatory, i really don’t know but uh you can only beat what is in front of you, but he did it and did it in style, yeah, so um as Eddie hearn was saying that you know he’s got to go now in with one of the top sort of three guys at least they’re they’re pushing for that, which is a good thing and not protecting that fighter.
Just trying to think on the bill.
Who else was there? We had uh, obviously callum smith.
We had um florian marku against uh maxim pro dan.
Now that was interesting with the scoring with that one uh, because i don’t think that should have been a split decision.
I think mark who won one handily, but as soon as they mentioned split decision, i just thought come on only in the uk um.
I thought it’s a good performance from makuu.
He certainly has improved since his early pro days where he had a a draw with somebody that he should not have had a draw with um makuu, looked very good and so did prodan um, it’s very good fights um, and that did you know without fights like That that did add to the card.
I thought right, very good fight, um, i thought sort of you know halfway.
It was anybody’s fight yep.
That was a that was a good belt, yep yep, but uh mr hatton he’s got to go.
He has to go off of these big big cards.
You know co-main event to the co-main event um when that was your fourth professional fight with zero kos.
It’S not really uh a good look right, uh.
I know that the camp apparently are um thinking about taking them off these big shows and having the big bright lights on him and putting them on the smaller cards.
Personally, i can’t see it happening once.
They’Ve had him up there on the pedal stool with that very bright light shining on him, but um.
I think the damage is done.
I think you know that the chap he had limited limited amateur experience, um he’s not his father um.
You know the hurricane.
You know it’s a hurricane without puff.
As far as i’m concerned, you know that that’s four wins should be three and one, but with zero kos um, it’s not looking good for him uh.
I don’t want to be negative.
I mean he’s 20 there’s a lot of time to improve, but um i’ve been saying to a lot of people accident waiting to happen.
Uh with this chap effectively beating him didn’t get a decision was no surprise.
I even thought was not just trying to be wise.
After the event, but when i saw this chat was fit at the weigh-in, i thought this is gon na be a problem for hatton, and that was just for somebody who had a losing record, but because he came in fit short notice.
I thought it was gon na cause had some big problems and he did yeah yeah.
But overall i think it’s a good card um, the uh.
Obviously the main event was absolutely fantastic um but, as you say, october, the ninth, that is the one i’m looking forward to.
I am looking forward to the main event and the rest of the card.
I think it’s probably uh.
I love heavyweights, but i think it’s probably the the best undercard i’ve seen.
I can’t think of a better one.
To be honest with you yeah, i really i’m really enjoying what i’m seeing um in terms of match-ups.
That is going to be a great night great night.
A lot of questions got to be answered: um yeah yeah, whether it’s a case of they’ve, had to match up these unbeaten fighters because of everything is so clogged at the top, which it is i mean what’s gon na happen at the top.
I really don’t know, but i think they’ve had to start.
You know putting some unbeaten fighters in with unbeaten fighters just to find out where they’re at because there’s a there is a queue it’s worse than queuing for petrol over here in the uk.
At the moment, um it’s it’s it’s clogged up and either way with wild or fury.
It’S still going to be clogged.
I mean if, if wilder wins here, be either face and fury, no, that’s not going to happen actually i’ll.
Take that back, there’s not going to be a fourth bout: um, never um, but that you know the defense would be dylan white so that it would be mandatory.
Then you’ll be loud and voluntary um.
You know the wbc root’s gon na be clogged every other route.
Obviously is governed by what happens with uh, obviously ahn.
If there’s gon na be a rematch with usic um, it’s still clogged it’s a little bit clearer now, but still very clogged, but no october, the 9th.
That is the one.
A lot of questions i mean epic jabber versus frank sanchez.
That is a quality quality about where there’s questions, because, obviously, as far as i’m concerned with the people, they’ve actually fought any thoughts of how they’re going to progress is just based on um.
You know possibilities.
You know how they could be by what we’ve seen, because either of them have not been in a top.
You know in with a top fighter and had a tough match.
Uh questions will be answered as, with the main event yeah.
I agree.
100.
It’S uh, the cards are gon na fall where they may and i for one hope, fury doesn’t win.
But anyway, i’m with you with that one um.
I want walder to win and um.
I think he will mindset um it.
Just this just is so different to um how it was before the second one everything the way they’re conducting themselves.
What appears to be the mindset is is like real reversal, and i just think it’s going to be completely different.
This time, uh.
All i know is that at least one thing that’s going to be cleared up with this fight is there’d, be no uh, no further complaints, whether they were justified or not, with the glovegate theory, with the tampered gloves with loose gloves with anything else, because i’m sure Any gloves would be quadruple checked going in um, i mean how do you feel just very briefly with the glove situation, with the fury fights with what you’ve seen evidence-wise? I i’ve only seen um uh fans putting up various pictures uh.
You know either pointing one way or the other it’s like, and just as a fan looking at these pictures, you’re going, i don’t see it, i really don’t see it uh, you know so so who do you go by? I mean at the end of the day you have to trust the boxers.
I think anyway, this isn’t the bad old days i mean, but that’s that’s.
All i can go by is what i’m visually presented in front of me, and i i don’t see it.
I don’t think there was anything which was done intentionally.
All i know is that something was wrong because of with the way the gloves looked, did not look right, whether that was intentional, just why that was a characteristic of that particular glove uh on that hand and everything else right.
But you know what was supposedly – and this is just going on hearsay um, because obviously uh some things in the court case.
I can only guess they can’t give out uh in an exact fashion, but apparent.
Apparently, some of the decision, with the arbitration for it to be ruled, was based on some of the issues with this glovegate theory and apparently um.
It goes back to the bout with fury and christian hamer, and if you go to the christian hamer fight, i do believe it was that fight um i’ll, send you the link later you’ll actually see that the referee, marcus mcdonnell um goes over effectively just gives him The last good lucks checks whatever and notice that the glove um i was just about to fall into that trap and say he had been tampered with.
But where you have, the the thumb had been taken off of the glove in between being checked by the british boxing border control and by the time they got to the ring to the point of marcus mcdonald.
Was there plain to see shaking his head over what possibly had happened? Um, you know this is not slowed down, it can’t be doctored.
This was a fact, and this certainly does bolster.
I think the the claims that there could be some type of wrong doing whether it just be a little bit of a bending something you know the rules with something i don’t think, there’s anything done.
You know in a a bad malice way.
This is not going back to the early 80s, with uh, billy, collins, jr and having plaster casted hands and all that kind of stuff.
It’S not to that level.
But something just doesn’t seem right and i have played and played replayed and gone through and slow motion and this and something doesn’t look right, and i can’t the life me put my finger on it exactly, but this has appeared more recently and it just just makes You think, but going back to the original point, to mention this at least from that fight is going to put all that to bed, because everything is going to be more than checked so um.
If fury fury, does repeat how he was um in that second fight.
Then he’s going to be viewed as a devastating puncher that going in with sugar horse sugar hill steward um, where he did his magic and was able to turn him from a uh.
You know a pillow pillow fist over to somebody that was able to be a devastating punter as it looked in the the second fight with with wilder all questions to be answered.
There is so many questions, um and i think it’s going to be answered in an emphatic way by wilder.
Yep very well said um.
I appreciate those sentiments and and agree with them completely um.
I’Ve said it before it’s more for me, a personal level uh.
I just don’t i i used to like fury yeah, but i just don’t as time moves on as personalities become more obvious.
I really like the way wilder’s handling himself publicly and i don’t like the way fury’s handling himself publicly.
So you know this is a fan game and yes, it’s a sport.
Yes, it’s a business, but at the end of the day, it’s for the fans and i’m a fan and do i like fury no well.
The one thing is the end of the day.
We’Re still what uh say just under two weeks away from it, there’s still time for the bout not to go ahead and i’m not gon na be a hundred percent happy until i see them walking gloved up walk into the ring um if it did get cancelled.
This time, because, obviously, with the original bout, the undercard got cancelled with the main event as well, i mean i don’t think they would do that.
So what would you have? Effie jack bar versus frank sanchez is the main event.
Yes um.
I don’t care really as such, because the whole thing i’m looking for the whole package october, the 9th, what a great birthday present it will be.
Indeed um we have.
We have one quick comment: i’d like to address that courtesy of carl.
How can you back wilder when he says things when he says about taking fury’s life, etc? How can i back him um? Well, as far as being a winner or personally um, personally um, i don’t dislike fury, but i used to be on the fury bandwagon in a big way.
Um i used to be also on the bandwagon of the world.
I thought he was.
You know a top chat, but again it’s comments like that where personally um? Yes, it’s left a bit of a cell taste in his mouth, where obviously he goes ott.
I know it’s the fight game and everything else, but yes, absolutely i’m not a wilder fan um.
So i’ve got i’m not a fan of either of them um.
As far as i’m concerned, the result is going to be the thing that’s going to uh come from all of this, while doing this.
For me, yeah, so it’ll be settled in the ring, as they say, and hopefully not and hopefully not left in the hands of the judges.
And it’s a good situation to be in because one thing i do not like is having two fighters that i’m invested with.
Emotionally two fighters – i, like you, know aj and yusik.
I like the two of them um and i was only willing wanting uh usyk to win just because the state of the heavyweight division um.
I just wanted to open up um.
I don’t not particularly interfere anymore, not being ever been a wilder fan so uh.
Let them sort it out because it’s going to be.
I think it’s going to be a good belt, absolutely one minute for me all the way.
Yeah it’s uh exciting times ahead, as they say, good question, then, if there’s no rematch between um aj and music, do you think usyk will be going head-to-head against joe joyce? Yes, you know joe joyce currently or up to the fight.
Um was the wbo as such.
Mandatory number he was the number two mandatory contender and the second in line as a mandatory um [, Music, ] god, then at that point, this is what it brings in when you have this thing with the mandatory voluntaries.
I think that with these either two situations i do think the governing bodies should not allow these rematch clauses to take place or if they do, the rematch clause is to be the voluntary.
So if there is a mandatory first, they have to do that.
Then do the um, the descent rematch clause fight was the the voluntary that’s how i would have it um.
But yes, this could be a bit of a merry-go-round for ages, because you’ve got everybody vying for the top.
You could have dillian white regardless of what happens with uh.
I think.
Actually, if wilder wins dylan what i think is going to get his shot.
I can see that fight happening really can um if fury wins.
Um he’ll be obviously iron.
Uh iron up the uh, aj fights um, and even more so, having seen you know, aj out boxed by usyk.
But then you know i.
I do think that aj there won’t be any decision made until after october, the 9th.
I think they want to see the state of everything map out as well.
It’S not just a case of yeah i want to.
I think aj would want to rematch him, but i think, as a as a team, i think they would want to get october 9th out the way i certainly would and then plot what they’re going to do from there.
Yeah.
Absolutely that’s um, just my opinion and it’s worth a lot and thank you very much.
Okay.
That concludes our show today.
Um thanks very much for joining me christian.
This is christian from boxing 247.
joining me, graham from uh talk and fight uh and we’ll see you tomorrow, uk live at five live at five.
He love that and for me it’s the nooner all right.
Thanks very much appreciate it.
Thanks carl bye-bye
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