Oleksandr Usyk – How good is he as a heavyweight? | Boxen247 with Kristian | TalkinFight
EPISODE: Episode 7
Graeme and Kristian discuss the effectiveness of Usyk as a heavyweight, how he will care against the other top heavyweights and will he be around in 5 years?Watch live on TalkinFight.com and YouTube.com/c/TalkinFight
[ Music, ], [, Music, ], hello, there, boxing fans around the world.
Thank you once again for joining us.
After two days of going solo, me first and then christian yesterday doing a great show by the way, on anthony joshua, we’re back as a pair as a duo uh to discuss today, alexander usyk and his now newfound fame in the heavyweight division.
So um you’re asking the question: quite frankly, will he be around for in five years and where does he stand up against the remainder of the uh heavyweight notwithstanding the upcoming october ninth fight and the outcome of it uh? But there are some definitely definitely some heavyweight contenders to speak of that he’s going to have to deal with, and might i add, since doing a bit of research on anthony joshua, my opinion of him fell a little bit the other day.
You might have noticed if you did watch my uh solo broadcast um.
I didn’t realize he was such a bad boy and now maybe he’s cleaned up his act, i’m not so sure, but then, when i was looking up yousek in parallel, i noticed that he’s.
Actually, quite the opposite: he’s a family man, uh uh, he’s a man of integrity.
Uh, quite the patriot, says the right things so and then you take a look at say the management of each you know.
So there are some intangibles to speak about when we discuss heavyweights uh career moving forward, especially one who’s, now uh being crowned champion um, notwithstanding october, ninth fight um, so we’ll see where it goes, but i i i would like to hear what you have to say In your opening remarks, i want to discuss some of these intangibles as well over the years.
It was not a [ __, ], big shock for myself and for many people, obviously with uh the case that usic did win the bout now moving on.
It is still not clear a hundred percent.
What is happening, obviously, with what uh, how you seek is going to be going forward, whether it’s going to be a straight rematch with anthony joshua or there’s going to be some kind of situation where it’s going to be.
As they’re terming at the moment, the road to undisputed we’ve got dillian white fighting.
Also walling with the winner of that was about to move forward to the winner of fury and wilder or possibly all depends.
If you six going to be skipping, obviously uh, wilder or otton, whoever wins or if anthony joshua is going to it’s there’s so many what i thought was going to clear up the tip of the division a few weeks ago, a few days ago, even has sort Of becoming again it’s a mess that i don’t even bother to explain at the moment, because there’s too many ins outs, but it’s just a merry-go-round and it’s not cleared up nothing’s cleared up and i was hoping that uh lucic was gon na win us, hoping that We don’t know what’s gon na happen, obviously yet with fury and wilder, but i was hoping for wilder to win to open everything up to save all the confusion.
This merry-go-round and this situation, where whatever’s happening at the top, is then obviously just rolling down the queue and just rolling down the divi uh.
Sorry, moving down and um going down all the way down the division with everyone, not knowing what they’re doing, because of how it affects them with if they can get to the top, if they can get a shot or if they could become a mandatory or if They could it’s just a mess.
Nothing is any clearer um.
I cannot think of anything at this point apart from obviously your next week and you’ve got obviously recently walling versus white that’s been announced.
I can’t think of anything now, that’s any clearer! You know if you’re looking at the top going back joe joyce, who is now the mandatory now that u6 mandatory position has been used.
Well, where does he fit in anything, that’s happening at the moment, i’m going to go in in a moment to tell you how what i think about uh joyce versus who’s sick? Should that fight ever happen, but it’s just you know before i start saying how i think they’re going to fare with the other fight, who are they actually gon na fight me? Because i can’t see it.
This is it’s clocked again: yeah yeah, just just like it’s clocked, it’s a mess.
Still it is a mess and that that’s why my question actually uh yesterday uh was whether anthony joshua would remain in the top five next year, not whether he’d be around five years from now.
Sorry, okay, um! Yes, he will be, i think, well, okay.
So it’s still standing, i think, he’ll be around in five years.
Usic i don’t think will be because he’s 34 now 39 he’s reached one of his top goals.
I just think that he wants to get that last wbc belt.
Then he will be out of it.
Um, but i just can’t see, i can’t even say well that will happen.
If you know the winner is from fury and wilder is going to be whoever.
Then he fights that person, because we don’t know because we’ve got to the the aj rematch or is it going to be the you know, the winner of dillian, wyatt and also wallin? That’S going to be fighting, whoever wins between fury and wilder, but who? How? What is aj it’s clogged and that still is gon na domino back all the way down the division, absolutely and as a as a fan, i’ll repeat what i’ve said before, i’m not so sure that it’s fair that auntie and joshua can demand a rematch.
I think if i was to unclog that division, i would start by saying no, you were beaten soundly and you had your chance and now, if you sick, wants to take on either one of those fighters fury or wilder no matter who wins, i think that’s up To you sick, but obviously it’s not that’s.
Why i said earlier some of the other intangibles are the management teams involved, the promoters who are involved.
These are some of the intangibles we we speaking generally.
We didn’t think that yousick would have either the reach or the power to take on auntie joshua, but he proved us complete.
Prove me completely wrong, um, you know, and i’m sure there are other boxing fans who are surprised by that outcome as well.
Um now going forward uh i mean, i just don’t think it’s fair uh, because again this goes to clogging up the heavyweights um.
I don’t think it’s fair that auntie anthony joshua can demand a rematch he lost.
He lost absolutely now the answer to all this.
I think is what they should have done.
What they should do is what they did in the mid-80s when you had the tournament which don king put together with mike tyson, with uh tim witherspoon, with michael spinks and with tony tubbs, and with everybody back then, where they had the unification series, where everyone pitched In you had one champion undisputed, and then you had all the like contenders would be lining up.
At least everybody knew at that point.
What was happening when a time scale and then could plan accordingly and now, there’s there’s no way that they can plan.
You know a lot of these fighters, do they risk put in their unbeaten or do they risk putting themselves into a risky fight um, you know with with the possibility of being beaten or do they hang around and sort of fight, lower tier opposition just to save Their position, but how long do they do that? For because, if they keep on having low opposition fights, you know the fans are going to be very unhappy, they will lose fans.
You know you know they.
This is what surprised me with dylan white versus also oliver watson, because i do think that is a very risky fight.
I was completely surprised, i’m gon na say fair play to didn’t work for accepting that, but this is what everybody down the line should be doing.
Is everyone should be effectively paired up like effie, jabber and frank sanchez, and you’ve got the rematch um of the the the fight below that? Obviously, with the polish chap and helenius, everybody should be pairing up because, as soon as you’ve had all these fights just one session of fights out of the way, that’s halved the amount of people that are then in line, and you can get some kind of award.
Some kind of something’s got to happen here, because otherwise people could get bad, really bad fights consecutively, where they’re just people just trying to hold on to their position just in case they do get their shot down the line if they remain unbeaten, for example um.
You know it’s the example i will use of somebody that appears on the surface.
You know who’s actually doing it right.
It’S going to be uh the heavyweights uh, the that was his name.
He fought just the other week, uh guy you like um uh unbeaten.
He was, oh god, yep already, including the nigerian.
No, no, not the chap um.
Oh god, uh lost my head.
It’S come out.
My head completely uh come back to a moment.
He is he not from britain.
No absolutely yeah he’s not from britain um.
Well, the more you think about it, the more it’s uh.
They call that the law of reversed effect, it’s the name which i have typed about that gets processed daily basis bank straight up my head.
But what he’s doing is that he has been trying to fight people all the way down to apparently down to the top 15th and everyone is not accepted to the fight.
So he’s going to be unjustly having to fight somebody, maybe below that.
But it’s going to be, i think in the ibf they’ve i think he’d be he’s, could possibly could be matched up with um, michael hunter, and that fight should be happening.
I think michael hunter turned it down before, but it’s going to be as michael hunter or martin piccoli and it’s going to be facing him in one of the final eliminators, but i think all the way down.
What i’m trying to get at is that.
I think all the way down, they should be put in some kind of structure, some kind of structure into place, so they can actually find an order of the people that are fighting because it’s it’s a mess all the way down, and people now you’re going to Find apart from the people at like the effigy uh, jaguars and frank sanchez, is these those fights aside? You will see now that a lot of the heavyweights are going to be fighting the second tier people just to keep their record intact and that’s what we’ve got and it’s unfair, because that’s not good for the sport, because it’d be a bad fight, and this is When it becomes disinterested – and this is when we lose fans – um right – one of the one – the american fighters i mentioned previously – and i don’t know if that’s the failure thinking about but jared anderson is – is a big boy out of america, and you know there are Guys like that, who deserve a shot uh, there are guys who are of age coming down in ranks if you will and who should be and guys of younger age with lesser uh.
You know fights but who are climbing the ranks in the fans opinion, and this is what’s not being taken into consideration here.
So when you speak about a legacy statement, you know, does a fighter have the right to remain in the ring for 30 or 40 fights just because he’s fighting lesser quality, lesser caliber fighters uh just to maintain that legacy and – and i believe the answer is no – To that question, by the way, i absolutely agree: yes, the other one person it’s like, for example, joe joyce um.
He fought zakam, which is a reasonable fighter, but he should be there quite soon.
Does he risk his position by fighting one of the second? Third, you know top two gears top tier fighters behind him, or does he go into risky fights? You know it’s that decision.
Do you you know.
Do you hold on to your your your position and you know at what point? Because i can’t see him he’s.
He is now the mandatory.
I really can’t see him having a shot at the title for at least i’m gon na be really negative here, for i think two or three years – and this is – and he is mandatory – i reckon it’s going to take two or three years for this to sort Out before he, if he, if he remains unbeaten to actually get his shot, which is completely unfair, he is now the mandatory to the wbo.
Yes, there’s four, but it’s just a complete mess.
Yeah, it’s an absolute mess and it’s and it’s uh, unfortunately not in our hands to clear it up it’s in the hands who, if people, including uh, as we saw on the headlines today, big big brand names who have a lot at stake when putting fighters in The ring um so we’re going to see a great fight on october, 9th we’ve already.
We’Ve already said that many times the undercard undercard’s going to clear up a lot of those undefeated records and but again it goes back to uh who’s, managing the sport now uh.
If yousick is still is still, is he still managed by k2 and the klitschko still managing him? Yes, there’s been, there’s been no change with that.
So so i would have to imagine that, and is he still being trained by lomachenko the his father? He was brought into the camp as well recently, yes, so i i see, i see, there’s going to be some kind of rivalry established if you will um between the hmm.
How do you say this? The ukrainian slash russian department and uh the english department? Quite frankly, um – and i i see it i’m sitting in canada – and i see it already – you know it’s interesting to see where yousek went after his fight.
He went to meet the mayor of kiev and who’s that so anyway, so right, so it’s not like he stuck around in england to meet the mayor of london um.
You know what i mean, so i think there’s going to be a nice little rivalry.
I would hope, anyway, established uh between those two regions that are that are bringing up, but, let’s not forget the other parts of the world that are also introducing some new heavyweight challengers, and this is what this i’m agreeing with you.
So this is where this is all interesting from the fans perspective as okay, once once once tyson, fire fury shuts up and, i hope, gets beaten by deontay wilder idea.
I just hope he gets clocked with the right and i hope he hits the deck and that’s the end of tyson.
I know i know, but you know we can hope, but that’s that’s the other intangible and that’s exactly what anthony joshua just found out.
You know he he wasn’t expecting to get pummeled in the 12th round.
You know he’s worth supposedly that the two banana skins and we’ve had the first one, even if i thought he was going to uh win.
But let’s be one you look.
You wait for the second one.
Do you think that’s going to happen now? It’S a big shame, because i think there are marketable fights out there.
For example, joe joyce versus usic that’ll be a rematch of the wsb bout which they had a number of years ago.
Before each one of them turned professional and it gives you did you have you seen that fight by the way on youtube? I didn’t see, you live yeah, uh, yeah, okay, uh, the wbsp fight.
I mean that is how i see the fight would go now.
Absolutely both of them are progressed equally um, but it’d be a good fight.
Both of them have proved themselves.
That would be a fantastic fight and i think same result would happen so going on to who would win against, who, i think um.
Obviously usic would handle joe joyce quite uh, i wouldn’t say comfortably, but i think that would be a win for him.
Historically, he just reminded me of something historically when your cruiserweight moves up to your heavyweight and wins across uh, the various divisions.
So you only have historically evander holyfield and uh david david haye yep.
They their careers didn’t last too long quite frankly, so it might have taken a lot out of yousek to get this far, even though he won uh against joshua.
Now, how many more fights does he have left in him, and i think this that’s why i’m saying i don’t think it’s fair for auntie joshua to demand a rematch there’s only so many fights left in music to really prove himself as a true heavyweight champion, and One of those fights has to come against.
If you ask me the winner of the october 9th challenge yeah, i think he should be for a legacy.
I think he should be allowed to do that right and it’s a shame, because i can’t see it.
I really cannot.
I cannot imagine, and i cannot see it, don’t it’s the crystal ball.
I just can’t see him getting a shot at the winner.
I just think you’re gon na have, i think, aj a new degree match is gon na happen and i think you’ll find that um, the winner of otto wallin and uh dillian white will go for the winner of fury versus wilder.
I do think that’s going to happen because, with what was proposed by bob arum, where that usyk is guaranteed a shot at the fury wilder winner, i can’t see that happening to be, i mean dylan white if he beats wollon would not accept that absolutely no way.
Well, i think you said it best yesterday, you said it best.
Yesterday, money talks, yep and uh.
At the end of the day we’ve got like i said: we’ve got some big boys up there now uh, with some big brand names backing them.
There’S a lot at stake.
Um i was contracted.
I did not know that i did not know that it was contracted.
What paul the sorry uh carl’s just piped in here and said the rematch is contracted, so it’ll definitely happen.
Yes, but joshua has um it’s it’s.
It’S contracted in that way, but joshua doesn’t necessarily have to take it.
He can um.
He could decide to not have that fight if he so wishes, but you know the how i’ve had it so far.
Is that march or april is what they’re they’re they’re saying right? It’S gon na happen, okay, so this this goes back to what i’d said during my solo broadcast two couple of days ago, and i just didn’t see the desire uh.
I didn’t see the the the spirit if you will in auntie joshua, leading up to that fight uh entering the ring and actually going through the various rounds where he was getting beaten.
[ Music ] will in this case will anthony joshua take on you sick again.
Yeah, i i don’t: it’s contracted okay, so um i mean you said it again.
Yesterday he’s got 300 million pounds now sitting in the bank.
Does he really need it um because of course, the other, the other intangible? Out of all this is injury.
Uh music has had a few injuries along the way.
I don’t know about uh joshua um, but you know i mean they’re they’re, taking some pretty serious shots to the head and i don’t i don’t know if concussions come into play here or not um, so whether josh was content with taking his 300 million and walking Away or whether he wants to step back into that ring, i don’t know, i don’t really think he does.
He is legacy driven um, because now this is really set him back losing to the cruiserweight coming uh coming up in weight his legacy.
It’S all very much about legacy and he will want to and he’s i think he will hang around until he does.
I do think he’ll be continuing.
I think this is just crystal ball and it’s not based on anything which is um.
You know actual.
I’Ve heard in an interview or something that i think usyk is gunning for that wbc belt.
Once he gets that i see he will retire right immediately right.
I think you find that uh, okay, anthony josh, is what two or three years younger than usyk.
I think, but uh he’ll be around a lot.
You know uh a lot longer absolutely well.
How do you think so? I was just gon na say i’m on the bright side of usic’s career because it has gone quite well.
I must say, but he must be a tremendous inspiration for a lot of young fighters in the ukraine and russian regions and the slavic regions.
He must be a tremendous inspiration not to mention uh, the klitschko’s in the lomachenkos, but music.
That unto itself is a nice little legacy of fighters who have dominated the sport and must be they must be breeding tremendous boxers.
I would imagine by now so so i would.
I would imagine if, if, if fusic wins that wbc belt as you’re saying, if that ever happens, um yeah, he has every right to retire and retire.
Happily, he seems to me a nice quiet, decent family man, who’s, not driven by ego um, you know.
Does he have goals and objectives likely very likely uh and is one of them that wbc belt absolutely yeah? So so i think once that’s attained, if that, if he can, if he can win uh, he would proudly step aside, and i i guarantee let some of these uh younger fellows, take take over, and i that’s just how i see it, whereas i don’t.
I don’t see that happening in anthony joshua’s case.
As you said, he has more to prove.
He wants to continue this legacy statement on a personal level, not because he wants to be an inspiration for younger fighters across england, no because he he thinks he deserves that.
Um, you know next level of champion.
If you will, you know the the the lennox lewis of champions again, which he pointed out, so i’m just not so sure he’s entitled to it.
He lost he got eaten step aside, i think he’s by the way it’s hergovich.
I was thinking of early that completely missed my mind.
Oh okay! Yes, absolutely now.
I do think that um joshua has found his level.
He steps up with um didn’t step up, but he got beaten by and it’s more ruiz jr the in the rematch.
I’M sorry! That’S not the case of that.
It was such a big thing from joshua winning the rematch, because i think i stick by ruiz.
Does eight himself parted himself out of that bout? Um? Yes, he did uh aj did come in and uh with a different game plan, but uh.
I think, if the same ruiz that came into the first one, i still think ruiz would have won that rematch, but uh.
He was just a beach whale that came in the second time that was just disgusting.
It was awful, but what i’m trying to get at from this is, i just think that anthony joshua how he was in with usyk – that’s how he is.
This is his level.
I don’t think he can improve much from that.
It’S a great level he’s become championing by defenses he’s one of the best heavyweights which britain have ever produced, but a lot of people, for example, say: let’s go to the andy ruiz.
Now a lot of people were bashing him and trying to find excuses for why he lost now that wasn’t such a bad performance hold on with this one.
It’S not such a bad performance from anthony joshua because of he had what ruiz ruiz jr down.
I think it’s the third round now.
If he would have finished that job off, he would have had all the praise in the world that would have been one of the normal performances from him.
It would have been an early ko.
It was, it would have been a great performance, it’s only because that guy ruiz jr got up and he was better than the rest of the fighters that he had fought up to that point, because don’t forget, i’m really bear with me no um yeah.
Just look for now to uh continue inviting me like she was yesterday very often.
I just think that ruiz jr was one of the first people that joshua had fought that had wasn’t the next american football player that wasn’t a school teacher that wasn’t you know old over the hill was a gatekeeper or was a a journeyman, and that’s why he Lost we know about the rematch, as i said, but that was his level, and this is why, with the u6 fight again, i’m not just not trying to gloat about this uh too much.
That’S why i picked you sick to beat him because who sick was at the top of his game? Yes, he wasn’t young 34, but there’s no decline there and that’s why he lost and that’s why i think that joshua will lose the rematch.
I can’t see what else he can do, because he has found his, and that is, i think, when he mixes with somebody that is very good at the top of the game.
He will have a hard time.
It’S not the case.
If he has, he has hard problems with with just boxes.
For example, no it’s just somebody that’s going to give it back that if he had just put them down, does get back up and gives it back to him.
That’S when he will be put in a crisis, and that is when he is going to lose, and he always will that’s his level great level that it is, but there’s no more to him.
I think this continuing to learn, i think, bringing other trainers in no.
No, it’s not going to change him whatsoever great fighter, but that is his level right, just an opinion, because if he would have, if ruiz hadn’t gone up and did what he did, that just would have been another great joshua performance.
It’S only because the he lost, but people were looking for excuses at that point.
You know looking for, he seemed disinterested.
You know in the corner of ringgold playing about with his uh gum shield before the bout or whatever you know, those things would have been taken into consideration had he obliterated through his june, which he could have done in that first fight, just an opinion.
How do you think usyk fares against, for example, fury or wilder or let’s say, dillian white? How do you see that going um? I will now pick anyone over fury.
I despise the man uh.
I see nothing good about him and therefore, as a fan, i don’t care who beats him um.
But if we’re, if we’re putting usyk into the ring against uh a properly prepared, properly trained in shape, fury uh, i don’t think you sick will beat a tyson fury at that level.
Um if fury goes into it, not taking it seriously.
He’S drinking he’s, partying he’s having fun um he’s speaking as loudly as he is now uh against deontay wilder.
I mean you know, that’s why i don’t like him, but anyway um.
Could you sick feet fury when he’s at the top of his game? I don’t think so: uh dante wilder relies on his white right hand and he can knock out anyone at anyone at any time, including yousek um.
So again that that’s a that’s a 50 50 for me, jillian white, i’m not even going to put him in the same category.
I i don’t think he’s going.
I don’t i’d, be curious to see if he does beat out a wall right, i’m going to go over to one of those questions.
Why do you dislike fury so much um, because this is immense, he’s he’s so he’s so mouthy like he i’ve i’ve.
I thought yeah well, okay, i don’t mind it uh.
I follow a lot of professional sports and a lot of professional sports athletes carry themselves in a rather especially if they’re, at the top of the game in a very distinctive you know manner.
Tyson fury doesn’t now, you could argue well, maybe he’s got a grade.
Two education, i don’t know, maybe i’m being a bit spiteful, but at the end of the day i don’t really think he’s saying the right things he’s not saying things that make me want to.
Like him, if he would just shut up and let his fists do, the talking in the ring i’d be happy.
I’D be happy to see him win.
Um right now, now he’s uh he’s on the other side of the river.
He uh, you know, he’s he’s not one of these fellas who i like to like um.
There are too many heavyweights out there right now, like i’ve told you before one of my favorites, not because he’s the greatest of all time.
But one of the reasons i like muhammad ali is not because of what he did in the ring, but what he was, and yes he did his fair share of trash talking, but what he did outside of the ring in the community.
I have not heard of anything like that.
Come out of fury’s mouth whatsoever, it’s all been about.
I’M just going to beat this guy to a pulp and that’ll be the end of the story.
Well, how about how about going around some children’s hospitals and how about doing some work in the community in your spare time, rather than taking on yet another press conference and shouting something on social media? That makes no sense and no one in the world except the fury family.
So why don’t i like fury because he’s just not saying the right things as a professional? He should have a pr agent.
He should hire me and i’ll.
Tell him what this day in public now somebody brought up the mental health work now just going into that mental health tag.
Do you think that the mental health that fury? How can we put this the correct way? Do you think it’s genuine, or do you think this was an excuse, for example, to get out of the klitschko rematch, which is a possibility? It’S been said, yeah out there? Do you think it’s something? That’S i’m not suggesting it is by the way i have.
I do like fury, but recently i’ve just it’s a little bit tarnished, but uh, i’m just sitting on the fence at the moment.
Um, do you think that is genuine anyway nope? I i’ll i’ll go one step further on all this and i hope i don’t get sued, but i i don’t think i don’t.
I don’t think for a minute.
Yes, he has mental health issues uh, but i think they’re, more uh psychosis related in the sense that he might take a bit too much coke.
He might smoke too much weed, he might drink too much beer and or whiskey.
I don’t know, he’s shown himself to be quite the partier and boxing if it’s done.
One thing has proved to us decade after decade that boxers like to party and that’s the one thing that i don’t see by the way in usic and it’s why i went and mentioned the beginning of this episode.
Music’S, a family man and he’s not about to take himself down that stupid road that many boxers have, which i believe is the road the fury is on.
I don’t believe for a minute.
He has mental health issues um.
I i just think he’s he’s now with the question by the way, just to jump in there to why i suggested it.
I wasn’t suggested it from myself.
It is actually quite widely put out there that that was an excuse for the klitschko to withdraw um, which is why it’s been brought up recently.
Obviously in the uh.
Obviously, the build up to to wilder, because where you had the situation where fury was coming out of the wilder match recently because of covid19, is this just an excuse like there was the excuse with mental health with the klitschko ii rematch, for example? This is why i was just bringing this up just to put that one as such out there, but it’s wildly being brought up in the leader whether it be right or wrong or somewhere in between to to be clear.
I’M not saying you faked anything uh, but is it an excuse absolutely are.
Are certain athletes now using mental health as an excuse for poor performance? Yes, they are, do they really suffer from depression and or anxiety? Probably, but don’t we all so and aren’t they as professionals and or highly ranked amateurs, don’t they have access to the best psychologists, the best sports therapists uh, the best in the world, at whatever is ailing them, including mental health issues.
So for for me to believe that anyone has a mental health issue and has to back away from, in this case, a fight because of it, no, i’m not going to believe it.
I think there’s other issues at play that they can’t admit to and those would be drug related.
Now somebody’s commented, they said uh, obviously with the situation with wilder, where he’s coming out very foul-mouthed at the moment.
Yes, he is, he seems to be doing what what mike tyson did all those years ago when he said that he wanted to eat lennox lewis’s children, which was my god that was what, before their bout, um awful, but then again the whole lead-up to that fight.
Um remember: the press conference was just absolutely awful, but um yeah, it’s wilder seems to be going down that uh drain.
If you want to pin it that way, but i just think it’s his it’s.
What he’s whether he’s just trying to give that out, or that’s just his mindset at the moment, but he seems to do a lot of that anyway, but uh hopefully, hopefully not that i’m definitely gon na.
Be saying that that’s the right thing to do.
But hopefully he will fight the way his words are going if that makes sense not about killing somebody or something.
But let’s, let’s you know see him back in the ring, because that wasn’t, i don’t think, wilder last time.
Something was completely wrong with the the whole thing that second belt and it’s gon na be very interesting.
It will be so this is.
This is going off of the you sick thing, but it’s very much because it’s all connected at the end of the day.
It’S all connected, especially october 9th, very very, very it’s got a a big um play with what’s going to be happening with you sick next, because you won’t hear anything about what the aj and god this you see it now tomorrow what happened but besides law, but You won’t find anything happen, i don’t think with aj and you sick until october.
The 9th is out of the way.
I think that you’ll get a result and then you’re, probably the next week or you know, 10 days after you will have an announcement, re, usyk and aj.
If it will be, it won’t be happening.
I think you know the the boxing world is very much looking at october 9th because a lot of things are going to be answered, and hopefully hopefully that will then give some structure to who is going to be next in line because um yeah, it’s it’s a It’S a state and it’s unfair, i’ll i’ll go back to my foundational statement, and that is i i i want in boxing.
I want to see the best fight the best and therefore there needs to be some unclogging in this division, so that will happen on october.
9Th and in subsequent months, when it’s decided, who will then fight who – and someone has suggested that i have gotten this mental health issue wrong – i don’t um, you can take a look at any other industry where people who make young people who make absolutely millions upon Millions have gotten themselves messed up why? Because money buys happiness in their world and whether you are a boxer, an actor, a singer: songwriter um, a footballer, a cricketer, i’m pretty sure.
At the end of the day, if you’re famous young and a millionaire, i might also put you’re also a little bit stupid um because we’re all when we’re all young we’re all stupid and we do stupid things when we’re young.
So, quite frankly, you put that much money in one guy’s hands.
Is you i’m going a little bit about this, but you take a look at how many professional athletes retire broke and why are they broke not because they didn’t get paid but because they spent their money? Foolishly right so, at the end of the day, i don’t have this mental health thing wrong.
Uh, you know i’d love to have a sports psychologist on the show.
Prove me well, okay, he would argue anyone who wants to step into the ring and batter his opponent until he knocks out the opponent and is declared the winner.
Is that truly uh, you know sensible.
You know i i don’t know so at the end of the day, i’m in it for the sport for seeing the best of the best who are best in the sense of they’re, well trained, they’re, well managed uh they’re fit uh, you know above and below.
So i’m just saying like uh, i don’t i don’t mind it, but when i see two guys yelling and screaming at microphones at each other and saying absolutely nonsensical things, is it a mental health issue? No, and did he get out of that political fight because of mental health issues? You might argue, there’s something wrong with a man, but at the end of the day, was an excuse.
Yes, valid points there um and to a certain degree i agree, but um.
It was just just want to ask your opinion, because it’s something which um i don’t know just something: it’s either true and played on, which can happen, and it’s one of these strange things, because obviously, as you’re well aware that up until three years ago, this was My domain with mental health um and it just didn’t, appear right back then, but there were so many things you had obviously drug allegations you had, and i think it was all too much that and he just pulled himself out of the obligated rematch with um.
Possibly, what was an excuse and that i think, could have happened now.
Just look at the comments here.
Um, it was great completely agree.
Fury did open up the division by beating at long last after other 10 years, klitschko uh, because that was just held onto for too long.
I do like klitschko the rest of it, but when you look at some of the defenses like povetkin, where that was just he just clung on and just leaned on to him till that can hit the deck repeatedly.
I think it’s something like 10 times.
I think he was down in total just from being lent on.
It was good to see klitschko gone as much as i like him, and both brother and there’s something on there about the windmilling and the sweet science.
This is why, with this fight, i believe – and you know after next weekend – um somebody could come back on here and and say that completely got it wrong.
Absolutely but fury.
This is when fury should beat wilder because of the sweet science against the wind million.
But i just think at the moment i think the mindsets are different.
I think the last time in the second bout i think wilder was the complacent one uh, where fury wasn’t and i think now you’ve got a role reversal of the mentality going into this fight and i think fury’s gon na be the complacent one wilder is the One that’s gon na come in hungary and i do think he’s gon na come in and do the job not that he should be able to, but because you know the the the target because of the situation has got to be allowed there to to to happen.
I do think that, if regard, if both were on the ball and everything being right between the two of them, i think that wilder would beat fury one time out of ten, and i just think that that that time that that punch would land in ten fights Is going to be the next one? Absolutely and that’s all it takes is one punch, confidence with mentality, social media.
I hardly by the way, whoever that is i’d hardly personally go on social media, especially twitter.
I sort of post on there just for seo purposes and then run.
I don’t engage in social media at all, just with mentality um.
Why do i go down that avenue up until three years ago and for 18 years i was a psychotherapist i’ve done years.
The required amount, because i went the proper route in in uni, so just talking fundamentality, how i see it reading them, that’s where that comes from so not before that, but uh.
No, that is, mental health, is uh my old game, absolutely but uh.
I think the the the casual layman can give their opinion anyway.
I just think that uh just looking at look looking at it you’ve got fury.
That’S been partying wilder that hasn’t now.
I don’t think in the run-up so close bear in mind.
This was a short while ago with um.
You know the i think i didn’t see in the second bout didn’t see, fury pass you in the same way just complacency just and i’m not breaking that down, trying to break it down with some kind of mental health way of looking at somebody just looking at Just this layman pulling myself actually back from it, he just seems to be complacent, yeah just an opinion, but end of the day.
You know all this thing you have you know mindsets at the moment was there any any truth with the glove gate situation and tempered gloves and all this all.
This is going to be answered in the third bout because going on to glovegate very briefly that if fury repeats exactly what he did in that second bout, any glovegate theory tempered glove theory will go out the window because he would he’s obviously repeated exactly the same Thing and believe me, there will be checks in the third bound it’d, be double check for truthful checks.
Everything else the commission are going to be hot on this.
Obviously, with everything that’s been um what they’ve been accused of now.
I don’t think this is when this is what i mean fury should win he’s got all the advantages.
He is the better boxer, sweet science against windmill and yes, but unfortunately, it’s windmilling with a punch, a very strong windmill punch, and this is why i just think that that one time out of 10 is going to be the next one.
But we shall see, we should be in a couple of weeks time i’ll be there like.
Oh okay, got that all wrong.
You know i thought wilder was going to beat uh fiorina in the second second bout.
I thought that’s gon na happen, but i put my heads up hands up behind the air and said i was wrong um.
Well, as i said, i thought i thought joshua was gon na beat you sick.
I was wrong, so you know we could all have a prediction anyway, and then you know it just it’s that good old thing it just takes one punch, which is why i’m sure i you most people like it, because you could be following a fight, especially everywhere Boxing, where it could just be bang, some person could be ahead.
They could be in the corner, it could be just about to be stopped and bang.
That’S it all over now.
One thing that i’m going to mention – and i watched the first fury versus world about the other day again and how i see this and let me explain if i can explain it wrong without in a tired way, just getting it going off key like i do.
Do right in that first belt? I do think that take coming away from that bout.
I do think that fury won it for obvious reasons because of it went the distance and he should have won it on points, but at the same time it can be argued that wilder won it.
Why now any other judge that would have been in that fight with you know in the manner with fury the way he went down, he hid his head on the canvas he looked spread out.
The referee went down to him.
I do think.
Probably i don’t know plucking something out of thin air.
I do think eight out of ten referees would have immediately waved that belt off.
I’Ve seen referees automatically wave off things for a lot less than the way in which fury hit the deck after being clumped by a wilder.
So in that way i do think that wilder.
This is what i mean.
This is why i’ve got some confidence in world of winning, because that could have easily been a knockout and fury my god, and this is what made me a believer or fury as a fighter them i mean how the hell did he get up from that? How the hell did that happen? I really don’t know, and i’ve got huge respect from that.
I think eddie i mean that that put the nail in the coffin for people being a believer of fury how the hell can you imagine, but my point is: is that wilder is capable of beating fury now it could be argued at the same time that fury Was very weak in that belt, obviously with a big weight loss, and he was only what was that one two three bouts in after a three and a half year layout and all that weight loss and all the rest of it.
But those are ins and outs.
But can only be answered in the ring, i’m just going by what has been seen and from that first fight.
We know that fury could win by points.
We knew that wilder can win by knockout the second one.
We know that uh fury could win by knockout and this is why it’s stood up in the end.
That’S why i do just think it’s not a foregone conclusion that you know fury’s gon na be the winner, because you have got that possibility that he can be knocked out by a very hard windmill punch.
If that’s the case right and and that point uh raises our often raised point, and that is not to leave it in the hands of the judges but to settle the the fight in the ring with a knockout and all the trash talking, whether it’s that he Wanted to eat children, whether it’s a case of murder, whatever wilder i’m going to defend him slightly here.
Sorry, if i’m not very popular, but they all do it or not.
Sorry i’ll change that a lot of them do it, but i think it’s right or wrong when they don’t back it up in the ring right, because historically they’ve all they’ve, all trash talked in some way.
Even muhammad ali did.
I mean he called joe frazier and uncle tom, which in the 70s was absolutely a murderous thing to say in the black community uncle tom, my god.
That was just absolutely, and this is what obviously added to the spice with their uh their their trilogy um.
They they’ve all done it um, some more than others, mike tyson, um and back it up.
Let’S see um trash talking some of disgusting, some of them spit at people some kiss some slapped some punch in wanes, whatever some promise murder death whatever.
I don’t even listen to that.
Let’S see those two october 9th.
I can’t wait, but i just think from a layman’s point or the layman’s way of looking at the fight is, i just think furious.
Fury’S complacent wilder will win now.
Do you think hold on a second going back to you sick? Let’S go back to them, i’m just going to say lucik versus fury.
I think that is the one person i think that usyk would would lose to.
I just think that um fury, if you know fury’s advantages, are even greater against somebody that is a smaller heavyweight and i just think that fury definitely would be uh would win with usyk um, i think usic versus welder.
Definitely sick would would find a way and have a game plan or two or three and about two to uh to beat him but um yeah usyk right up there but uh.
I think somebody mentioned with joyce’s absolutely mixed yeah joyce, i mean he’s done everything.
That’S been asked of him since turning professional he’s got quite a good resume and especially in the short period of time that he has been a professional um juggernaut he’s.
I think he would lose against you based on the w uh.
What was it again? The wbs series that happened where um usyk beats uh joyce by getting in and out legging it, but getting caught every now and again have to take some punishment.
I could see it being a same result again, but i think you sick would stand up to a lot of them.
I think with white.
I think he it would be a good fight.
I think lucic would win.
I think uc would probably come out on top apart from everybody, apart from fury, i just think fury with his advantages.
Those advantages would be greater against somebody that isn’t a naturally big heavyweight in stature or everything else, but the only thing is: is that every month, every delay that happens – and this is why um, i think, another factor from what from why usyk was better, obviously against Aj, as opposed to against eric chizora or chaz witherspoon, is that he’s actually growing into a heavyweight at that point right, and i think that was something which, where people were saying that uh usually was going to lose to aj based on, for example, the gezora as Much as got the stars completely um were completely different.
I mean jizora came wading in um and having to take two or three to land, his one, where that that was never going to be something which uh joshua did because of the the dodgy whiskers or wheat, chin or stamina issue or anything in that area.
He can’t he could not afford to take that kind of risk.
Hence why he came in the way he did in the fight and lost um.
But people were you know he he had a city, it was about a year or just under a year since they last fought.
It was halloween just remembered uh afterwards, that was halloween.
Last year, he’s had just under a year for his body to mature uh into a heavyweight body um, and that was he’s a fully fledged heavyweight.
Now i think he would uh top everyone as far as i’m concerned, apart from fury well, let’s put this way he’s proven himself in the ring as a heavyweight with his decision over joshua, and now he can take on all comers.
To be blunt.
So with that being said, i mean he does have the option of entertaining a long career if he wants that legacy statement as a heavyweight or, as you say, find himself a way to win that wbc belt and uh retire a happy camper yep.
I think he would do at that point.
That is the goal, and he he’s not going to take step aside money in any way and i just think wilder won’t as well.
Just in that whole equation, which is uh which which is going on it’s not gon na happen, wilder would not uh.
So not wilder.
Sorry white will not take step aside money because of how upset he is in that situation where, as the mandatory for the wbc, he had to wait a thousand and whatever days, obviously before, but they can um relieved him of that weight as such.
But i think that he’d be too driven by that, as opposed to the money.
But then again, if it’s enough money yeah, i can’t see that that wouldn’t be a a cheap, uh, persuasive gesture at all.
That would be taken no way.
No, no! No but um, who do you think i mean just last question to you: graeme is uh.
Who do you think would be usyk in heavyweight division? I say fury would be the only one.
What do you think uh? That’S a good question because it simply is an equation of how long he stays in the game.
As i said previously, there are quite a number of really good young heavyweights willing to prove themselves.
So, in a few years time, if yousick is still hanging around one of these good young brash fighters, whether it be from uh, eastern europe or whether it be from uh america or maybe even canada, um, you know at the end of the day, it’s gon na Be one of those guys and one of those unnamed guys uh guys who shall be named later um, not, and not.
These current, like i said earlier, there’s five or six of these heavyweights right now who are on the decline.
Quite frankly, they’ve had their chance they’re getting old the money’s not on them anymore.
When i mean that i mean the the the management money’s not on them.
So if you take that away, take that out the equation and you’ll allow the the rankings uh some flexibility.
If you will and allow people to move up uh to challenge uh, then realistically um you, you suck.
That’S what i say.
That’S why i said to you uh the other day um.
How will you sit fair in 2022? That’S the question i’d like to know like will he i got yes.
Okay, apparently a rematch is is contracted with respect to joshua.
Whether joshua takes it.
There’S another question uh.
But then who does you say, go on to fight uh? Is it? Is it dylan? White? Is it or is it fury? You know i would like i would, if fury wins, which again that’s a big f should do.
Okay should all right, but let’s let’s say it gets clocked with a right and he’s uh on the canvas he’s down.
That’S the end of that well.
Well, actually, no because, as you pointed out in that first fight, that’s not the end of that uh.
But let’s not let’s not leave in the hands of the judges uh, let’s let one of them knock the other out uh.
So we have a clear-cut winner and a clear-cut um if you will divisional chap uh where yousa can then say: okay, that’s who i want next.
So if i’m smirking it’s just one of the comments about uh alabama auntie, i’m not i’m, not! Sorry, i’m not anti-fury whatsoever.
I’Ve only just sorted out some new pictures at the top of the website.
Yesterday, um and fury and usyk, are the two at the top.
I like fury, it’s not a problem.
I’Ve gone a little bit on the fence with him now because he’s some of his recent escapades.
That aside, no absolutely just because i thought wilder would beat him in fight two doesn’t mean.
I don’t like him.
No like him on the surface.
I think we both agree.
Uh best of the best going toe-to-toe is what we want to see, and right now that october 9th date is set and uh we’re both looking forward to it.
It’S going to be, it is going to be a great fight.
It should be a war what an evening cool yeah.
It should be.
We got a great evening of fights uh, but it will conclude with an absolute epic, i believe, and let the best man win yeah all the um.
I do believe that the fight is going to go ahead now.
I know they can pull out at any time and you’ve had the strong rumors.
But you know that’s why you saw minimal promo material, read this fight up until it was it last week or the week before, which was very uh very late um, but it’s all been uh ramped up now, um.
Now it’s full steam ahead.
You know a few weeks ago, like a few others, i was like bit skeptic whether the fight’s ever gon na happen um, due to whatever reason but uh with it being next weekend.
No, it’s got to go ahead and um yeah, looking forward to it great night.
Um out of curiosity last bill boxing, who do you think, is going to win fury or wilder.
I think he’s allowed this uh comment with the many comments he’s given.
I will answer on his behalf.
He is absolutely 110 confident that fury will be wilder.
You don’t even need to answer last bell boxing.
I will answer for you, okay, if that is the all right here, we go.
Okay, so heard it here.
First right, um around seven, i mean this.