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EPISODE: Episode 10
From Tyson’s to Lewis, Graeme and Kristian talk about how the great Canadian Olympian and British Professional Boxer, Lennox Lewis, would fair against the current heavyweight champions and contenders.
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Thank you boggs and fans around the world for joining us once again, as we discuss the hot topics in boxing, especially those related to the heavyweights.
Today we’re going to talk about lennox, lewis and just like i did yesterday.
Let’S refer to someone else’s opinion first, this is according to ring magazine and their article.
That appeared in their september 2015.
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Lennox lewis was the only third heavyweight champion to defeat every opponent he ever faced, including rematches against those who beat him and the last man to be considered.
The undisputed king of the glamour division, the six foot, five colossus at him and chess wizard strategically decimated a heavyweight landscape populated by top opposition and in a world of blood and guts stood relatively unblemished on the throne that he always proclaimed was his destiny.
A brilliant amateur career culminated in a gold medal at the seoul olympics in 1988 and, despite representing his adopted country of canada in the unpaid ranks, lewis elected to turn professional in his native england in 1989.
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Now, just for fun, if you would like, unless you want to comment anything right then, and there i will run by a list of top 10 contenders, all represented in jamaica, yes, um, but a moment: yep yep, yeah, okay, alrighty, so um.
Here we go where.
Let me find it first: we’re like there to go in the heavyweight division.
Oh i see they do pound for a pound, ah cool alrighty in the top, the top heavyweights.
According to sport, bible, okay, as of right now, as of today number ten they’re ranking michael hunter, whose record is uh 20 wins one loss.
One draw with 14 knockouts louise ortiz who’s 132 27 by knockout lost two and none drawn joe joyce has a record of 13 wins 12 by knockout uh, and why do i see no losses and no jaws? Oh well, someone else can figure that one out alexander yousick comes in at 18.
Wins: 13 knockouts.
I love the math.
No draws no no losses.
Anyway.
Joseph parker comes in at number.
Six with 29 wins, 21 knockouts, two losses, no jaws, andy ruiz, jr, 2.
36.
Wins 22 knockouts and two losses: uh dillian white comes in number four, with 28 wins 19 by knockout.
Two losses, no draws dante wilder is in wow top three, so he’s number three with uh: 42 wins 41 by knockout one loss.
One jaw says it’s not up to date: uh and number: two and joshua with 24 wins 22 by knockout one loss and, of course, number one tyson fury uh who’s 130 by their uh.
By the time this was written.
I supposed with 21 knockouts and one draw right here on me: go then so our our question today is lennox lewis in his prime uh.
Would he be able to beat any of these contenders, starting with any of those among the? Shall we say the bottom ranks.
First thing, i’m going to say is uh it’s a simple one: hell yeah, absolutely the one thing: it is off topic, which is my speciality um, as you were counting down, as top 10 was the more we talk day by day, the less inspired.
I am with all these fighters now.
You know they spoke about the lost years, the years after muhammad ali, where you had larry holmes who was dominant, but apart from larry holmes, with the other belts that become belts, they were passed literally from heavyweight to heavyweight.
They were on average, holding it, for you know one you know one defense or or just winning.
It then losing it on the first offense that was the 80s.
Obviously you had the uh, you know muhammad ali leaving, so you know it was unfair because larry holmes was very dominant and he made many defenses, but when you think of you know that was considered a bad era now.
This is, i think, a very bad era.
I think it’s worse than the 80s personally somebody said, i think, even on the chat that knight is heavyweights were different, bloody hell.
Yes, they were completely different.
They do not measure up now, the only one out of them.
You know you’re talking about deontay wilder against anybody ever is going to have that one punch lucky shot.
If you want to put it that way, um, that’s somebody! That’S always going to be in there you’re going to have tyson fury.
That is regardless against anybody.
Because of the height, you know whether it be version one, you know up to klitschko or version two, this huge behemoth which is uh.
You know, finished wilder off.
You know which, whichever one would have given anybody in history, an argument that aside, there isn’t much else enter lennox lewis.
Today’S topic – and i just think i’ll, just shake my head, who, how what who can actually give him a stiff fight and the answer is really any of them.
Okay, i’m.
Instead of going from 10 down to one, i’m gon na go down from one upwards and then just pick on the rest, because that’s very quick at the end.
Okay, the number one at the moment, the the general consensus is, that is fury.
He will give anybody a run for their money, especially in my view, the version one, the the one that went in with klitschko that outpointed him that could slip, move bob weave tall, long reach, quick fast, you know, says it all with him.
I think that was the better version of tyson as a fighter, but he needed to be heavier obviously for two reasons because of the wilder side of things, because he needed to be an immovable object to to take to better take the punches that he was given.
Plus as well as i said, would it be yesterday uh it would have been where we choose to know it would have been yesterday where that i think that the weight is up, because that is right for how his body is at the moment having lost.
I must check actually what how much exactly it was, but it was in the region of eight stone.
You cannot go from eight stone down to a previous fighting rate and expect to you know, perform in the same way whether that be reflexes punch.
Okay, we put that aside strength, the big one um and that was obviously echoed and highlighted by john fury after the otter one in fight now, the boxer fury would have given lennox lewis fitz.
He would have given anybody fits who would have won that i hate sitting on the fence, and i hate you know it’s a good one.
You can see you can play it out in your mind.
You can see fury running, i think, fury that fury would beat most of them but to beat – and you know to to do what he did.
I’M just trying to imagine in my mind this one take a bit of time to come up with the answer.
I’M just you know, picturing him now, with the 40 year old vladimir who he beat now as much as i’m saying that he was great.
That’S the best version of him, i’m sorry, but the lennox lewis of the 90s was far better than a 40 year old.
Vladimir now vladimir was younger.
I’D still have to favor um.
You know linux, lewis, with that one, and i know, as we’ve said before you know, a beats b b beats c c d, uh c beats d, but a can’t beat d.
You know boxing doesn’t work like that with styles and all the rest of it, but you know with those things considered, i think medics would take it, but you know fury on any given day would give anybody a fit now anybody else as far as joshua? No chance, as far as usyk goes, i think linux is too much of a a complete fighter for usic to not be able to make advantage of the mistakes, because lennox didn’t make many mistakes, as you said earlier, with the the the cut out, as you said, From 2015 at the point i was going to bring up, but yes, he has beaten every single person that had beaten him and they were because it’s heavyweights, you know, i don’t think lennox was chinny because he put up with.
He was in some tremendous battles and he’s withstood some big punches, but he was caught by a lucky punch when he wasn’t concentrated fully.
Obviously the first loss was oliver mccall.
You then had uh hazim rachman um.
That was it there’s two losses and he avenged both the oliver mccall one in very strange ways, if you remember that fight where oliver mccall literally had a nervous breakdown in the fight – and it was waived off eventually something like seven or eight, whatever the realm was, After recall, just pacing crying his eyes out, you know he had or has psychological problems now, hazim rachman one.
That was it’s difficult.
I hate saying a lucky punch, but it was just a well-placed.
Punch.
Heavy weights are heavy weights.
Hazim rachman was a good puncher.
Lennox was on the end of it he was knocked out, but the way in which he avenged it.
It’S not like, for example, when i’m going to beat up um aj here, where he lost to andy ruiz and then sort of the rematch.
Is him sort of like being petrified legging away from ruiz and ruiz effectively losing as good as losing the fight as well? Because if he came in like some beach well now he didn’t sort of beat rackman.
In that way, it was an absolute beating finished off by a beautiful knockout.
That is how you avenge a defeat that fighter that was his peak.
He was bigger than earlier in his career with the first loss with oliver mccall and the first thing that manny stewart did with linux after uh lennox went from uh, who was his trainer pepe career.
At that point now he went left korea who’s pretty much a just a glorified cheerleader.
He went to manchester united, he put weight on uh and he taught him as he does with big heavyweights like he did with vladimir et cetera of how to use a big frame, a tool frame, longer arms as much as he’s, not six, nine or six seven.
What did what was lewis six? Four six, five, four, six, four six five.
I think these guys sat in the ring magazine yeah around that that is bigger.
That was considered tall and big back then yeah yeah yeah still not six; seven, it’s still not six! Nine! For god’s sakes, it was it’s going crazy now, but uh it appears it’s gon na be uh.
The way it’s going.
You know who knows in 20 years time will have a fluid uh a person.
That’S seven foot, two like um the russian guy um yeah.
Leave that one there um lennox was to me the complete package, and one thing i do regret is not fully appreciating his career.
While it was unraveling.
I don’t know why i did identify as those two wrapped up in evander, hollyfield and mike tyson at the time.
Um i followed his career.
I even saw one of his fights ringside early on when he won the european championship against um john chaney, that was in london uh crystal palace, which is no more um.
Moving up the rank.
There was nobody else, there’s nobody else at all.
He was a complete fighter, he ticked every boxes, so every box now the only thing he was possibly guilty of was switching off sometimes um, and you could probably throw at him that last fight he came in out of shape as such, against vitaly klitschko um, but Bear in mind when he went in with vitalik klitschko, there was a lot of things going on.
He had just recently um there was.
He just done some filming with something and there’s a lot of things going on and and you call them excuses or being fair justifications, but he was at the end of his career.
He wasn’t his best.
He wasn’t in shape.
Maybe he was struggling.
You know in camp as such he lost a fight, but the best thing he ever did and something that i’ve got so much respect for so far, is he retired when exactly the time was right, not in the back of a beating or a chao loss against Somebody that he should have you know, beaten or would have beat him five years.
You know prior with one hand behind his back, etc.
No, he got out, you know in a sub-par performance.
He still came on top just against vitaliy klitschko, maybe a little bit fortunate.
That you had the the huge gashes on on klitschko’s eyes, um, but then again you know a lot of people attribute that it’s a shame about that.
If that didn’t happen, you know, klitschko would have won the fight.
No! No! No! No! No! It’S not the case.
If it’s just it wasn’t a butt that opened up those cuts, they were punches.
That was courtesy of lennox lewis, so he won that fight.
It was close, uh a rematch.
I would have favored vitale because he was only he was the fighter.
That was improving him.
That going up when he had lennox lewis going down um his career was fantastic um.
You know again avenging every loss.
I know of no other fighter.
That’S done that um! I know god who did up until fury that was um.
Of course wilde.
You know that wasn’t even a loss, sorry that was the one person that actually went the distance with them, but maine stavern that was uh changed.
I don’t know of any fighters that have actually retired and every single loss has been reversed.
Uh ali no um was up until a certain point, but you had the last larry holmes fight and you had the last one which was against trevor burbick uh.
It’S he’s good, he’s great all-time great top five ever absolutely top three arguable those fighters from the 90s.
It was a very good error and i don’t know why as well.
Maybe it’s just something that was running over from the 80s fighters in the 90s didn’t get their full respect.
It was so weird i don’t get it.
There were some marvelous fights.
There were some marvelous fighters, hollyfield was fantastic tyson, even in version two, even in version three, you know out of jail was very good, even if he was a shadow of his former self, but linux lewis beat hollyfield twice.
He beat tyson at the end of his career.
I know hollyfield by the way was coming to the end of the career.
He was on the slide that would have been very interesting with both of them at the peaks, because at that point lewis was at his peak um.
Maybe it would have been a very, very, very close fight if hollyfield was not so much on the slide.
You know beat tyson at the end of his career again.
That is one fight that i would have loved to have seen.
It’S a shame.
The belt never materialized with riddick beau and lennox lewis, as it appears it was.
Linux lewis wanted to fight beau wanted to dodge it.
Hence the putting the belt the wbc belt in the trash can um.
You know he was avoided um.
Now nobody will touch him.
None of them you’ve got fury that stands a chance usyk.
I don’t think no.
He there’s nothing that i don’t think music could do.
That.
Would you know because there was a major weakness in linux.
I don’t think there’s even a weakness.
There’S nothing glaring for somebody to make use of the faults, because, what’s going to happen, is i think that aj is still going to lose in the rematch with you sick, but i think it’s going to be closer.
I think again with that fight.
I think it’s going to be aj, that’s going to be able to improve more so looking at that fine aj is nowhere near lennox, lewis’s, uh capabilities as a fighter, nowhere near it so based on that, with that being very close, you know it’s got to be A you know a lenox victory wilder only if he’s lucky and the only other people you you mentioned uh that i can remember.
You had um ortiz, absolutely no chance.
You had michael hunter next cruiserweight.
No, it’s not going to happen.
Fighters in the 90s were much better different class.
There were a number of classy fighters that were top 10 top five um lennox.
I think just in my humble opinion would have run over all of them bar you know fury.
I think it really really stops there.
I think, apart from that, linux all the way what about uh? Oh just before i go into that um a bit of a sidebar um.
I think the reason you might have um, as were many boxing fans uh distracted.
If you will, during the 90s, was um ufc ufc was insanely popular and commanded all the media attention, quite frankly, so in the in the martial arts category.
In general terms, i think that’s what happened in the 90s, my personal opinion um.
What about what about a like, a stocky, puncher, dillian white kind of guy these days? Well, making comparisons with fighters? Um david tua uh was stocky.
He was a wrecking ball.
I remember when he clocked uh god who was it uh, john ruiz, okay, okay, made it as a champion a bit of a negative fighter, but – and it was earlier in ruse’s, uh career, but you know, tour was was flattened in was it 19 seconds? You know.
There’S no other fighter that has managed to to do that.
David tour was good stocky.
He was meant to be a second-rate poor man’s mike tyson and he didn’t land a punch really on linux.
It went the distance because you know i don’t think tour was ever knocked out.
I don’t think he’s ever stopped um.
I just saw something flash up the computer about tommy morrison, who was still handy at that point.
He still had something left, uh rest in peace.
By the way um you know he tried and that fight finished.
What was it sixth round? I think it was sixth or seventh round um.
It was a dominant um fight, for you know, performance from from uh lennox.
You know, i’m not a big, never really have been, for whatever reason, a huge flag waiver for lennox, and i was trying to work at wine and 90s.
I never was.
I don’t think it was the canadian english thing bearing because bearing in mind that would have affected me, because i wasn’t even living in a country at that time.
Um it’s i don’t know.
I just think it was wrapped up with the other names um, but lennox.
All the way you know i i do fully appreciate and the times i do get to see some fights i’ll always go back to one of his fights.
You know that the fantastic galata display um, the fantastic michael grant, display uh.
Well, a lot of displays were fantastic.
He was very rarely in a a bad fight.
The only bad one he was ever in was with henrietta and wandy.
With you know, in the end, akimonde was actually disqualified for clutching onto lennox as a horrible fight, but you know lennox couldn’t do anything about it.
If you have somebody who’s six foot, what was that in one day he was six foot.
Seven, if i remember right, lanky and all he did was just clutch onto linux for dear life um that was awful, but that is the only bad fight i can remember.
Lennox being in there wasn’t anything you know early on the career.
He had a lot of promise.
He had some good uh defeats.
He beats uh mike weaver.
This is really early on in his career um.
He had the big um, all british clash with unbeaten gary mason rest in peace.
That was like the equivalent of joe joyce and um daniel thingy.
You know the recent fight.
There is very crossroads about two unbeatens, both with a lot of promise.
You know a bit of a flicker coin.
Fight, um lennox won that you know mason’s eyes were shut.
Um mid rounds, it was a dominant display then, and this was all early.
This is this was prior to bit, winning the european was it no.
I think it was just after actually because it won the european.
I think that was it was actually four.
I think the british title i think in the european may be wrong with the british title, but it was for the european that’s after linux, one and crystal palace.
Now, no, no, especially now, no the the crop.
Every time we go through, okay, the top ten.
According to whoever it goes 10 9, it says when you actually think i think.
Last week i’ve got drawn into so much.
You know having watched that great fight where lots of good fury meshed well with the not so good wilder.
You know for the reasons of weight and all the rest of it as we discussed it made for a great fight, but we do as humans get sucked in and we think emotionally and it was a great fight great night.
It was absolutely you know, like there’s a few great.
You know great result great this great that and you tend – and i did lose context with how good his display actually was, but if you would have put him in at that point with, for example, a 90s, you know, a top 90s fighter would have been a Completely different ball game wilder isn’t hollyfield wider is, while there isn’t a lot of the other top fighters that um lennox did fight in his career, different ballgame.
Now it’s it’s.
It’S pretty crap i’ve really the more! I think about it, the more dissect! You know all these heavyweights and each one – and i think it’s a very fair question and again i will argue the toss of this with anybody else.
You know whether it be wilder whether it be um aj, whoever who exactly have they thought.
That’S really credible or very credible if it is a name that is on there, there will be something wrong with the name ie at the end of their career, approaching 40 or 40, or even over 40.
there’ll be something wrong, and if you look at hollyfield’s career, If you look at lennox lewis’s career, if you look at mike tyson’s career, the resume is completely completely different to any of these resumes.
Now, even i think fury is great and he would do well against any fighter if the version, one of them blah blah.
But it’s awful now it’s awful now people moaned about the 80s.
Maybe when we come out of this this 10 years, um the twenties you know uh, maybe it would be looked back in the in this negative way, but uh.
No, it’s it’s dire! Something needs to happen really does um, and i think when this happens, you know these fighters.
You know you do need something like brick clashes, even if it’s not the best fighters out there, but you do need, i think, aj versus fury just to get some excitement back.
You want usyk, you know going, you know, go against fury, for example, for all the belts.
We need these things just to get some pumping some interest into it, because the line of contenders with their resumes – how they are at this point in time, is bloody.
Awful.
No, it’s uh, you know randomly pick.
Anybody out in the top 15 then go through the record.
It’S not very good, wow, just an opinion.
That’S great um! It’S um! It’S really good to see big t back in the chat room, um and he’s he’s mentioning frank bruno, and i i i heard him on an interview uh and i couldn’t believe how deep his voice was.
I mean let alone his physique, but i’m saying wow what what an intimidating character that fella must have been in his day now he did very well.
He was ahead of points against lewis before lewis caught him clocked.
Him had him in the corner and then finished him off, but it was very you know it’s a spirited effort from bruno and but it was very typical from bruno in a world title performance because he’d done the same thing, i think it was ahead with tim With a spoon as well before getting clocked in late on in the fight um, he was ahead against bone crusher smith, his first loss when he was clocked in the last round ahead of points um.
It was that i think actually was frank, bruno’s best performance.
I know he won the title off of oliver mccall, but you know all of them are, i can’t say, mediocre fighter, but you know he won the title.
He won it from uh lewis by knocking him out with lewis’s first defeat.
He then who uh? Okay, the defenses he defended against uh larry holmes who’s by then got 40 42 41 um.
Who else did he uh defend against um, but then bruno got it off of him? So you know that was what was that third time lucky.
Fourth time lucky tyson uh with a spoon, so that was fourth time lucky, but that was frank, bruno’s best performance, not winning the title.
But you know in running lewis, so um so close in what they deemed at the time.
And it was called the battle of britain and uh.
I don’t know if you remember it clearly what was on frank, bruno’s, uh waistband, true brit, what a dig that mr lewis, hmm very good – yeah.
Yes, very good, very bruno! You know it was yeah um.
I liked it that was good.
It was a good fight on a very wet night.
If i remember right, but uh, that was that was a good bout, his best display, but you know, lewis what was wrong with lewis there he wasn’t switched on.
He was under motivated uh, i think.
What’S the term, i’m looking for complacent taking, i think bruno easy.
I think he just thought that you know just one punch well, you know bruno be out of there.
I think you underestimated him because bruno come out determined and he really did want it.
He did really well.
He was quite because usually he was very stiff and very robotic and he was he was jabbing very well.
You know uh doubling tripling the jab at points in the bout he was.
You know it was a very good performance.
I think i could have summed up.
Maybe one sentence instead of 20, so uh anyway yeah so uh.
This is a another little quick little sidebar uh with respect.
I don’t know if you know this christian or not, but big t’s.
Uh son is uh ben whittaker who who fought in the olympics and that did quite well um.
What was i going to say? Oh yeah yeah, i was so you asked me to think about this and i have thought about this.
I’M thinking about this super heavyweight division it occurred to me.
This is what occurred to me.
I’M saying to myself.
You know when you get to the big boys, the 300 pounders.
Let’S just say, is it really then, at that point classified as boxing or are these guys and i’m talking in terms of marketing references here or are they sluggers or are they punchers so is? It is it a punching bout or is it a boxing bout? You know what i mean, so this is what i was thinking just just just over the past 24 hours.
Since we talked about this um, you know because when we talk about boxing, we talk about um, the sweet science.
We talk about uh, the various elements, tangible and intangible, that these fighters have to um either improve upon or recognize and at least have some skills and ability.
But notwithstanding the training, and then i thought to myself, you know if you’re solely relying on height weight as a factor to win a championship.
Are you actually truly boxing? So this is what i thought anyway, just just in reference to our comments yesterday about the super heavyweight potential super heavyweight division on a professional level.
I completely agree it’s.
You know, as we said it’s it’s funny that you know again.
I will be very curious to see that if fury fights again, what weight will he come in at because he’s not going to come in at 277.
Again, you know all the little jokes of you know, body like looks like a bag of milk or something um.
He was not as good as he was in the world of two fight.
I think that was a bit of complacency.
Mixed in with you know the the bear train.
Sorry, i get words right reports of bad training, camp um.
You know it’s that was right for wilder to absorb the shots, but when that happens he forsakes obviously what he had in in version one against klitschko.
He can’t box like that and punch you know.
Is he gon na go down in wait? For, let’s say he was fighting somebody who was not a puncher like wilder and was more of a boxer now? Is he going to come in well, i should think he would have to come in lighter to to to box to be able to catch the guy who’s going to be giving him some movement, because coming in at 277, pounds against a mover he’ll get beaten.
You know, and but then you’ve got got the issue here, and this is when it comes to the whole thing, with fury with you know, losing all this weight.
If he drops weight to become an effective boxer, is he then going to become weak as such, which was displayed? Obviously in his first fight with welder that wasn’t proper fury, arguable then, and was very much the case with otto wallin? You know that that bout might have really um.
You know.
You’Ve got one in fight in white that might have really flattered walling.
You know it.
Yeah was walling that good or was fury in that fight.
Actually that bad.
I know he had the cut which completely changes the perspective of a fight um, i mean the amount of worry that must have gone through his head.
Bearing in mind a lot of other referees another day would have waved that off.
You know that that was happening.
You know saw that.
Okay, here we go, you know this is the wilder rematch out the window.
You know, but he’s been, oh god has he been lucky.
I think so because going back to the first world defiant, he got clocked.
He went down 19 out of 20 referees would have stopped that fight without starting account.
Yes, jack reese did it and it turns out to be either a very good or very bad uh bit of referee in there, where it was good that he knew he would recover or started counting when he shouldn’t really have started counting, but again, fury was lifted By the gods, up into his feet and immaculately back to how he was before in the end winning that round, or certainly finishing it being the aggressor, strange, crazy balls anyway, that’s another story: um, what’s insinuating anything there.
Of course it’s he would have to come in.
Lighter uh, i think this 377 was, you will never see.
I don’t think wilder be that weight again against another fighter.
I think that that was specifically done to negate uh wilder’s hard punches, so he could then manhandle him like he did in the second fight and which he kind of did, but not so effective in the third find yeah.
You know if, but if so, going back to your point now, if that is the way of heavyweights, it’s gon na go that way, because you know you’ve got dillian white who’s, a a big heavy chap in a big unit, um.
What is dylan? What is he 19 stone? I think you know.
These are big boys right um is this.
You know it’s arguably with dylan white.
I don’t know the answer, but you know is this his best weight, 19 stone, uh um.
You know i’m not a trainer, but you know: could he be better at 17: stone um? It’S! I yeah it’s a good one, this weight issue and it it’s something that i think we can only have the crystal ball out to guess: gage, whatever what is going to happen, but it’s, i think now, with a few of these fights, i’m just so cute, always Curious with fights but so curious to just how it’s going to turn out with who blends up, who lands upbeat and who, but at what weights.
They are and all these little things because it’s um scratch my head with this one, because i think you know if fury has to go in and box, he could be weight trained again, because you cannot stick eight stone or take eight stone off and especially as He’S in his thirties because of like i said yesterday about the fighters um losing weight, it doesn’t work and makes them weak and chinny um.
No, it hasn’t happened to fury yet, but it will do at some point if he blooms up again in between fights.
That’S going to you know: um shorten his career, not that he, i don’t think he’s ever going to have many fights anyway.
I think you, you see him in a ring, probably one or two times maximum that’ll.
Be him but um i’ll be curious to see what the weight will be and how his performance would be um.
You know, is this just a lazy, complacent 277 pound bag of milk tyson? That would be in that shape for anybody, because he thinks that he’ll either be usic who’s.
Just a cruiserweight or aj who’s beaten by usyk or you know, k take um, you know wilderness equation.
There won’t be a fourth fight.
I don’t think uh, i’m curious to see what the the mindset is um is.
He could believe in his own hype.
Yes, he’s probably the best fighter at the moment, so sound a little bit cruel, but there is a little bit overhyped with people looking at everything.
Engaging everything emotionally, i was one of them, um no interesting days ahead.
Absolutely um.
Did you happen to notice that comment from big t boxing according to promoters and broadcasters has become a slugger sport if you don’t put them away, you’re boring or you’re running or you fall through he’s a runner? Yes, true, the and a good example of that – and i know not – everyone is going to agree with this.
A lot of people labeled the fury, klitschko fight, boring awful one of the you know worst fights ever really.
I cannot watch a boring boxing.
Man a match.
A second, the second time right.
I’Ve got too much time to put into doing other things.
I’Ve seen that fight, probably about four or five times wow really did fully.
What’S the best word um, i mean just in awe of just what he did that night.
That was just masterful, yes, klitschko was 40, but still had something to offer.
Um.
Yes, maybe klitschko um was at the end of his career and there for the taking, but i don’t think anybody less than fewer, i don’t think would have taken klitschko at that point.
Look how far klitschko went with anthony joshua, and that was a couple of years out of the ring.
You know.
The difference between 40 and 42 is a big difference as a fighter um, you know the one before would been better, but the only thing is – and this is why a lot of people say that um fury come out of this, the the rematch that was meant To be happening that was announced and got to press conferences before it pulled out with issues is the general consensus, and i can see it is a lot of people said that come the latter rounds, klitschko had fury’s number, he was doing better and fury was holding On at the end, but um yeah um, that was labelled a boring fight.
I completely disagree with that and so going over to big t’s comment where it says you know you’re running or you’re this that absolutely it’s really seen that way now um, especially as a heavyweight, if you’re expected to knock people out right, you know, but you know, Look at hollyfield bow one that went the distance and god that was a huge slugfest.
You don’t have to have knockouts.
You can’t have decisions without um down it being a concussive or absolute knockout in a fight but um yeah, it’s uh.
I fury that fight was one of the best ever that fury would have beaten god full circle back to that now i’ll stop it there, because i tend to repeat about four times or five, maybe um before you know it’s two minutes before your uh.
Your next show i’ll save you that today, what we’re now 39 so doing better so far, if we cut short but going back to the original point, linux lewis all the way um now in the state of it, nobody would have touched him.
I don’t think fury.
Um flip a coin, especially if he came in as that fleet-footed boxer um.
He had the chance there that he could probably go and snatch a decision.
Maybe, but that’s about it.
If a 277 bag of milk went in there, um with him, 277 pound fury went in there with him that that’s that to me, unless you’re wilder or how you’d be because the weights you know for for different fighters, etc.
You know that this 277 pound fury.
Okay, he got by wilder.
It was very that’s about to say lucky, not lucky, but he got past him in a great fight but uh.
I want to stay at 277 for the rest of the fighters or for usyk, for example, because that’s um, a very big, more static target and a thinking man like yousick is one of the probably only heavyweights of tip to beat fury.
If you was the boxer with klitschko fury all the way from me, but this heavier version, i think usyk does actually stand a chance.
Only because of here you know he he wouldn’t go for the knockout.
He would be planning a distant match.
Distance match how to negate obviously the size of fury, and he would find a way the more.
I think about that more.
I think he has a big chance, but that is it and that would have to be fury at this heavier weight, and you know we’ve said this before and we’ve agreed that’s what makes us such a compelling sport uh.
You don’t really know uh what you’re gon na get until the end result is absolutely yeah and nobody can say categorically how a fight is gon na go.
You know nobody can go.
Oh you got it wrong.
I got it right.
Well, there’s a little bit of luck there, because there could have been a little luck.
The other way around, where you can have somebody where it’s going, the way that it’s supposed to go and then it takes one punch and then it’s reversed.
You, as you say, never you never know until it happens and all plans and everything else can just very quickly go out the window.
That is why we love it, especially the heavyweights or somebody a lower weight that punches um, not as powerful as heavyweight, but in respect you know, like uh, the terpiav fighters like that, the lower weights, you know uh inu, um, there’s i love watching punch fights like You said earlier finish any second, and that is something that lennox lewis did have and that he did administer to many fighters during the 90s and early 2000s linux all the way for me, yeah absolutely i mean we say it.
Often we not you and i, but in the other, shows that we do with other commentators, don’t leave in the hands of the judges.
I mean it’s uh you’re, leaving a lot up in the air.
Quite frankly, that’s especially in the uk at the moment – god wouldn’t be a victim fighter coming over here, used to have to skip germany in the 90s, now skip the uk jesus, no special, no giveaway yep.
Now, that’s it! That’S for me, turned lennox lewis, all the way, um fury the dancing version version.
One against klitschko would cause him problems, but nobody else nowhere near nowhere near different animal different um everything class, one of the best paper, one last quick little uh question that among the uh rising class of uh, let’s just call them undefeated heavyweights.
Let’S say that the 10-0 type guys right now are there any of those guys that come to mind that fit the mold of a lennox lewis.
Well, okay, let’s go to some of the undefeateds joe joyce good fighter problem with joe joyce.
Is that he’s going to have a very short career if he carries on taking punches, like he did in his last bout right that was um, [, Music, ], okay and he’s? What is he 30s mid? 30S? So if he carries on taking those flushing beard in mind, he’s had a full amateur career.
Many fights he’s got to be careful.
I rate him high and, like i said the other day, i do consider him as the boogeyman, but he’s got to be careful um, but with somebody like lewis, who could move? Who could punch? Who was tall so that negated? Some of the advantages that joyce may have over some fighters.
I think you know that would have been a no-no unless joyce has got something just magical that just each and every fight he goes in.
He manages to win one by the other.
Well, he’ll have a good run, he’s up there with the mix, but you know usyk in the w s b, like the semi pro thing, i don’t know if you saw it, but they have fought properly with no headguards and usic won.
The fight u6 showed there.
I know it’s just before turning pro but usyk.
There showed how you can beat joe joyce uh, because all you’ve got now is this that joe joyce has improved by a certain amount and you just got usyk that’s improved by a certain amount.
Look at that fight in there is it wsb.
It was called the world not wbs series boxing.
Whatever it is, i can send you the link, get it semi-pro, no headgear, all the rest of it.
Um usic showed how to beat joyce.
You know that the template is there and arguably with tony okay as well in the olympics, uh.
Even if that was a debated decision and still there’s talk of joe joyce may still even get the gold medal, because there was supposed tampering in the number of the olympics.
This has come out through an investigation and uh as it appears joe joyce may get his gold medal yet.
Does that mean they’re gon na take the gold medal off of tony yoka? This was one thing, giving somebody a gold medal saying you know there.
We are, you should have got better, but taking it from somebody is a bit different um.
Let’S see for that, one uh, who else is there? Hergovich um shows promise, but you just he hasn’t, fought anybody yet, as per all the rest of them.
You know when looking at him and what he’s capable of it’s it’s the case of looking at him with how you how he can possibly be against whoever, because if there’s nothing proven there by any form of track record, he’s got good promise.
He seems to be on the less i’ve got to choose my words nicely here.
Less fluid side of things a little bit robotic doesn’t mean it’s not going to be effective because vitaly klitschko was was tall, heavy puncher and robotic as much as he looks similar to him facially a bit of similarities there.
I could see some similarities with style.
Is it going to be another vitalik klitschko? Who knows you don’t know what he’s gon na be like? You know, once he’s had a punch because he hasn’t been punched, yet you cannot tell and that’s the problem with a lot of these people, which are you know, sort of whatever and oh or the ones.
That’S had one defeat uh on their career like daniel dubois.
He showed promise, but he had the loss to joe joyce um.
He looked good but uh under pressure.
He may crack again, but we need something to show there that he can get through a torrid fight and come out on top you’ve got michael hunter, who you said: whoever was the rankings that you said earlier.
He was in at number 10.
one defeat now that was against usyk in uh, cruiserweight um.
It’S a good! I think it’s about 11th round.
I think usyk caught up with him, he’s doing well as a heavyweight, but there’s just nothing exceptional, nothing against michael hunter because um, it seems a really nice chat, um, but there’s just nothing there, which you know there’s nothing: okay, who’s.
He beaten! There’S nobody there really! On the record, it’s not even the case of really anybody.
No nobody there on the record um his punching power at heavyweight is gon na cost him dearly uh when he goes up with one of the the top guys.
Yes, he did have a draw, and a lot of people did say that he should have won the fight when he faced uh povetkin um.
You know a bit of promise there.
You know top ten, probably about right, ranking for him, but there’s just nothing there in any of these fighters.
Ortiz is knocking back um fights that are being given to him and had just been declined and he’s probably was officially 42 going on 52, whichever one it is um.
This is nothing there’s no depth, there’s nobody with a resume in these rankings at the moment and it dawned on me uh when we had the conversation the other day when we come away from the the win, obviously against wilder with fury, you know i was suck It in for just about 48 hours, then calm down by walking around little um.
The penny did drop in instantly on a second well, no and i’ve seen the fight and i’ve watched it again, because i’ve only watched the the highlights again watch the fight.
Look at the quality of punches and, as like you said earlier, it is like okay, it’s harsh, it’s exaggerated to prove the point, but it is like bar room brawling.
It’S like technique has gone out the window.
So when you look at technique going out the window – and you say well, how else are you going to do against linux, lewis? Really yeah? That’S that’s a foregone conclusion, but that is this mark ii, fury again that mark one was a great fighter, would have given anybody.
He will hold his own with anybody in history.
Um or or beat them be buy points, but you know you can’t expect a knockout against anybody top tier because of when you’re boxing like that, you cannot punch effectively as per his record up until going in with with uh sugarhook steward.
It’S a funny game, especially heavyweights, because how you can go up and down and what and be in the same division um, but fury just going back to that.
I can only sound, boring, repetitive, so curious about.
What’S going to happen, i think he’s got it you’re going to get one fight, but you know i think, whoever he fights you will know who’s going to win the bout on the day of the weigh-in and to uh big t’s point one of my favorites jared Anderson out of the united states, big babies – yes, perhaps absolutely i mean in the future – i i i you know, i’m talking talking about skill set and physique uh, the fact that he’s big and he can move and he get hit with power um.
You know, as it appears against a stationary target, and it’s already got to be careful with you know, we’re basing all this and right with her and the others.
It’S based on potential we’ve got nothing tangible at all to work with, unfortunately, which is why it’s all sort of um well resume.
There’S nothing.
They’Ve got nothing tangible to work with these guys.
You know effie jagba and frank sanchez when they went into each other.
I’M glad they did, but you know when weighing up who was going to win that fight? How could you really work out because neither of them before any name, so you know how could he work out? You can’t, you know, flip a coin really.
You know it’s all about potential until they’ve been in a fight with somebody towards the top who’s in their prime, not somebody who’s a former champion from 10 years ago and age 40, something you cannot gauge in that way whatsoever, and i think i think a good Example of this upcoming is a dillian white ottawa fight, uh yeah.
That’S a super good example of what we’re actually talking about, but the only problem with that is, as i said, if you know walling, is he bolstered by maybe a bad fury display and i think again we’re gon na find out that question on october right.
Just just just throwing it out there that’s a good example.
Uh we’ve talked about before we need to unclog.
If you will, the the heavyweight division allows some of these younger guys to move up uh.
That’S not why i was suggesting that deonte water should retire by the way.
I think you should retire because of health reasons, but again unclogging that upper five, if you will uh and moving on so that the dillian white factor uh comes into play and if he gets beaten by wallen, then that unclogs uh uh the division somewhat uh.
But anyway, uh that’s what is like absolutely, but we’ve still got the merry-go-round at the top.
Whichever way you know go back to our early discussions, we’re looking forward to it, it’s going to answer so many questions, and you know it’s going to happen and it’s going to unclog things and no okay.
We’Ve got we got half of what we wanted.
We wanted welder and usyk to win uh just purely to unclog, but with all the different variables with who you know, if wilder would have won this, that the other.
I don’t think it would have been clogged anyway, because wilder would have had to have form for the winner of white versus woolen, but then he would have wanted to.
He would have wanted surely then, to to fight one of the others for all british uh or for all the belts or whatever um.
You’Ve got this tangled mess with uh aj, who who is rematching you sick, because that the rematch clause was uh, fired off and that’s in motion now.
You know: you’ve got joe joyce who’s now mandatory number one joe joyce, actually um strange thing.
Just a sideline he’s got no, i don’t know how it’s working.
I was just about to say he has no manager at the moment, because sam jones isn’t working as a manager he’s working for uh pro bellum or one of the companies uh put together by richard schaefer um sam jones has left s jam boxing, so it’s not So i guess i guess it’s still gon na be the nest jam boxing, but i can’t remember the chap is that uh works there, but now you’ve got going back to point sorry: um you’ve got um yeah he’s he’s waiting, he’s wbo mandatory um, but then, if Wallin wins, he’s gon na, be the number one wbc and he’s gon na want to fight.
It’S still clogged, and i it would be just lovely to see like you had with the effie jabber with frank sessions like some of these top guys fighting.
So we can actually see how they are and what they can actually do, instead of basing this whole thing with potential, but uh jared anderson.
Yes, he looks like one of the shining ones that come through.
Can he take a punch? Can he um continue doing what he does with somebody else, firing back at him um with evil intent? We don’t know that’s what we’ve got to find out, but uh certainly look in the park.
He takes he’s he.
This is choosing the words correctly.
He seems to tick the boxes so fair play.
You know right because putting everything in context as much as i think he’s good that guy he fought, though he was unbeaten with a draw.
He was very inactive, effectively part-time and he was very static and he was never going to win that fight.
That was that was done to you know an unbeaten that was done to bolster um anderson’s record, but it doesn’t mean anderson, isn’t very good because he does look the best prospects out there for sure absolutely that’s it right lewis, all the way for me there we Go okay, so, with that in mind uh tomorrow, let me see uh who we’re gon na talk about then yeah we will see uh.
This is what pops into our brains between now and then.
Thank you very much appreciate your comments and your insight.
As always uh.
Thank you, boxing fans.
Thank you, big d for joining us once again and uh christian, we’ll see you tomorrow absolutely take care, cheers
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