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[ Music, ] hello, there, boxing fans around the world.
Thank you for joining us once again on talk and fight for another episode of the friday night panel featuring yours truly as well as mike or at bourne.
Tonight we have a very special guest coming in from across, not across the pond, but across the lake uh who’s down in buffalo new york, who’s been in the boxing industry for over 30 years, probably close to 40 years and has done so many things.
It would take me quite well it’ll.
Take me the entire hour uh to describe his list of accomplishments.
Um you’ve seen that list right mike.
You know what i’m talking about.
Yes, yes, you know what it’s probably better, that we have him explaining those list of accomplishments to us.
He could probably he could probably give us a much much shorter version, but still cover everything boxing fans.
We have rick glaser joining us tonight.
Uh he’s been in the managerial as well actually every aspect of the uh business of boxing uh across his uh adulthood, i’m sure uh.
Maybe he can explain how he got into it as a child, maybe perhaps potentially box, and that i’m not sure about.
So, let’s, let’s bring him on uh eric.
If you can bring in rick there, we are hi rick how’s it going guys thanks for having me tonight.
Thank you very much for watching away with anything.
You have to ask i’m an open book.
All right! That’S awesome! Uh i did read on your website.
In fact, you were such an open book.
Uh.
Give me a call it’s basically what you’re saying on your website give me a call anyway uh.
So during that introduction, one of my questions that just popped into my head was uh: how early how early on in your life did you actually get involved in boxing like uh? We were you boxing as a kid or uh.
No, i i never.
I the only gloves i ever had on were winter gloves.
I uh never had work gloves at um.
I uh.
I took the fancy to boxing in 1971.
I was reading about the upcoming muhammad elite, joe frazier fight, which was of course legendary march, 8th um, 1971 and um.
I went to the local movie theater, which was showing it on closed circuit, and i asked um.
I asked my my mother dropped me.
I was a kid: oh boy, hello, hello, yeah.
I lost you here.
I don’t know what i did wrong here hold on it.
Just everything went blank hold on um.
So, let’s start all over again.
Something went wrong.
I don’t know, but i i i can’t find you guys.
I i don’t see anything it’s blank like.
I can hear you fine.
Okay, can you see me uh? Our producer says you might need to refresh.
I don’t know how to do that.
I don’t know whatever um doesn’t matter.
If i can see you guys or not, can you guys see me? Yes, we can.
We can see, that’s good, okay, that’s then we’re good okay.
So what happened was i went to the movie theater watched, the fight and every time a punch was thrown whether they left well.
There goes, i think, i think we lost him completely that time that’s unfortunate.
There is a big snowstorm where he lives and uh.
I wonder: how does anything do with this connection it might it might uh? Should we touch? Should we touch on the fights while we’re waiting? Then i guess, because we got some uh.
We got some big fights this weekend, which one you want to start with.
Chris eubank and liam williams, or actually, let’s start, let’s start with um uh kuderas and uh rodriguez card yeah rodriguez, 14-0 uh tank kos.
This is a guy that i talked about uh actually last week.
I believe it was announced the promotional deal with eddie hearn and match room last week and yes, we did talk about him um that world title tilt now comes in his first fight with hearn and uh.
It’S gon na be this weekend.
Man against kuderas who’s; 39.
Four and one with 27 kos and he’s aiming to repeat his victory.
Uh, you know over uh run, run vassi where he ripped the green and gold belt from the thai star in may of 2014 in his mexico homeland.
But now the 33 year old is refocused.
On his new test and that’s the young rodriguez fan and honestly it’s it’s, it’s gearing up to be a good one, uh.
Also on this card.
Uh raymond ford, uh i’ve talked about him.
He is looking to stay undefeated against edward velasquez, for the wba continental americas.
Feather title, so that’s going to be great man.
Uh great action, also jamie mitchell against carly skelke is uh is in the works uh for this card as well, and that’s for the wba world female bantam title also lorenzo smith, is taking on fernando diaz, for the wbc united states fly title and lorenzo smith is Looking to keep his unbeaten record on tarnish and walk away with the wbc united states belt, so i’m looking forward to this uh, i don’t know what happened.
I i i turned it on the phone hole phone off and back on and get back out.
Okay.
So i went to the fight 71 loved it and started watching every fight wide.
Every boxing magazine reading every newspaper i replied.
The next thing i know is um.
I was in the business full time and um 20 years later, after studying the the business, the sport and everything else and uh i um i took a you know: i took a real liking to it immediately and – and i got rid of my my business, my Regular business um immediately within six months, and i was off and running, and that was uh 1991 and 31 years later.
I’M a new york state hall of fame inductee, i’m an elector at the hall of fame in canada, hopefully i’ll be in the hall of fame.
In canada, eventually and um, what i become is a i i’m a supplier of qual, i’m a provider, a supplier of quality, supplemental services to the boxing business worldwide um.
I actually i heard you mentioned management.
I’Ve actually never managed a fighter.
I’Ve been i’ve promoted fighters.
I’Ve been their advisor been their agent, but i actually never managed fighter um and uh.
I love what i do.
I do it.
24.
7.
365.
.
My typical day starts at uh four o’clock in the morning and uh three o’clock.
Actually, these days um and then i finish up about uh one o’clock and i get about two to three hours worth of sleep.
I work for a couple hours, go back to sleep for a couple hours and then i’m off and running for the rest of the day and night.
So i i require about four hours worth of sleep a day.
My wife calls me an animal.
So that’s! That’S awesome uh, so you you’re a matchmaker.
Well, i it’s one of the things i do.
I’M an international agent broker and advisors most of my business.
I really don’t really, i’m not really a matchmaker anymore, because i don’t do complete shows ever so.
I got cancer in 2016.
um, i i stopped traveling and i stopped being a matchmaker and that most of my business is over the phone and over the uh internet was um.
What was uh one of your.
I guess most memorable matches that you put together um.
You know i, you know the list would go on and on on paul spadopour’s victory um and i worked with paul for forever uh.
It was his matchmaker um him when he won the title and he was 901 in ibf title fights um.
You know joe kelsagi rory jones of madison square garden.
That was literally all me um, just you know you just after a while they all blend together and they’re.
Like you know what i mean so right, you don’t even know you know you can’t even remember you’re.
Sometimes you can’t even remember your role in that fight.
You knew you were involved, but was i his agent was his advisor? Was i the matchmaker and sort of have to like sort of put it together? You know what i’m saying: that’s.
What 31 years of boxy does to you? You know you just don’t know what you did that you what you did like like your canadian uh uh olympian, billy, irwin um.
I was his promoter and uh.
I got him two world title fights.
You know one in two thousand with spadafora and one and uh and uh two thou whatever year was 2005 with uh with juan diaz, so it just uh.
Sometimes you got to think of what your role was exactly, but you know here i am 31 years later.
Loving what i do for a living and uh i wouldn’t.
I wouldn’t change a thing.
You know i got married late in life.
Part of it was because of boxing and um.
I wouldn’t i wouldn’t change a thing about that.
Either.
That’S awesome within the sport itself.
Uh, a couple of issues have come up uh recently in particular, we’ve discussed them at great length on this show uh one would be whether or not a union might benefit uh boxers now or players association, as it’s called in other sports industries.
But what are your thoughts on that? Do you think uh? Do you think the players are the boxers themselves? The fighters are already ready for uh, no, not not on the pay scale level.
Okay, because they’re getting paid well, okay, it’s on the the areas that they need is health insurance, a pension and also um, some kind of because the fighters are so some most of them are very uneducated.
They need financial guidance and i think if they brought on people that were financial counselors, that were career, professional financial advisors and they offered a pension, a pension and they had a health insurance.
I for beyond boxing um.
I really think it would be a great um, a great asset to the sport, no question about that.
Yeah we’ve seen it on on both ends of the spectrum, one in the development of younger boxers and on the other end of the spectrum with with those boxers who’ve retired, and have nothing to fall back on uh, so so yeah.
So those two.
No, if they’re in the game, they don’t really need that help in terms of uh, the financial and uh.
Having said that, you know you know here’s another opinion based question for you in the heavyweight division.
We’Ve got our top five heavyweights.
I don’t know if you’re following the heavyweights or not but uh the heavyweight’s, pretty clogged up.
Okay and the other day, i was having a great conversation with uh christian von spanak over in england, and he was saying you know what might be a solution is to unclog it by having a tournament styled a grand prix event over the span of say a Year to see who, among those below that top five would actually be, you know among the next heavyweight contenders uh, because the point differential, if you take a look at box, racking the point differential between the top five, like the the guy who who kept his uh Wba heavyweight uh belt this weekend, trevor bryant, okay, he’s ranked 38 on that list and his point total is six.
I think alexander you sex point.
Total is like 400 and something so the point differential is humongous, and so there needs to be some unclogging in that top and – and we know that you know yousick and fury – you know – are probably ultimately going to battle it out after they’re, i’m guessing their respective Wins if fury beats white and if uh music beats auntie joshua again, it sets up that, but in the meantime, there’s a slew of heavyweight contenders which, which mike is he brings up all the time but from your perspective, uh.
Well, what do you think uh? Is there a way to unclog that heavyweight? No, they can’t even find a guy to be an ibf eliminator right now, they’ve had eight guys turn it down to fight the uh felipe havoc and ibf eliminator, going down the list.
How they’re gon na get all these fighters together? There’S not a prayer, they can’t even get one one fight together.
Everybody’S posturing, everybody’s on their own, see here’s the problem that you have.
Okay and people don’t recognize this.
Certain fighters bring their bring foreign tv money to the table from their country, so they don’t have to go out and fight anybody real challenging because their bait, their tv, is basically paid for by the tv in their country.
So they’re not going to go out and fight a risky fight and blow that up because if they lose most of them have a one loss, agreement and they’ll sign.
If you lose the fight that the agreement’s you know, um terminated, so nobody’s going to do that.
That’S the problem you got and tv’s tv and streaming today is dictating so much to what these fighters are doing, that it’s um.
It’S put it in a whole different sphere, different level and um, where these people don’t want to fight one another and also the promoters.
The promoters don’t want to put, because you know this guy doesn’t want to lose to this guy’s fighter.
This guy will lose his payday.
You know people ask me well how come javonte davis doesn’t fight anybody.
I said well that kid would fight godzilla.
The problem is, mayweather has no other money makers, besides javante davis, so he’s got to keep milking that one to one horse along and that’s why they won’t put it in with anybody very good.
So it all goes back to this that theory to the heavyweights right.
There i mean it just that’s the way, it is it’s it.
We can sit here and talk about it and we can waste our time because it is a waste of time it’s not happening.
So if, for example, someone came along with a [ __ ] ton of money and put it on the table, it still wouldn’t happen.
No because it doesn’t meet the promoters agendas.
Every promoter has a different agenda for how they run their business and how they want to conduct their business with that fighter and what they have is a game plan for that fighter.
It’S a fact: it’s not something we it’s not something we face.
As far as the the general boxing enthusiast, but it’s the re, it’s the reality of the business right.
Well, in that case, uh the women are bringing a breath of fresh air to this sport.
That’S right! That’S it! The women are bringing a breath of fresh air to the sport, then that’s for sure.
No, it’s just it’s not a pretty look.
Let’S put it that way to you the whole the whole situation.
No, it’s not! It’S not it’s unfortunate because you know it there’s a lot of a lot of really good talent in that heavyweight division and it’s unfortunate that we don’t get to see as much as it as we could and as often as we could, because there is a slew Of fighters sitting in the background waiting uh for their shot to just you know, be in that top 10, at least at least agreed.
So who are you following then uh? Who are you working with these days? What’S on your agenda, um now working with a canadian uh uh young, canadian spencer wilcox he’s gon na turn pro march 25th in montreal, i’m working with him.
Are you familiar with uh spencer, wilcox, i’ve heard of him? Yes, he’s uh he’s turning pro he’s.
I think 21 years old he’s uh got very tall, very good.
Looking uh young man from hamilton and um.
He had a very good amateur background.
He can punch, he can box and uh.
He looks like the complete package, including golden boy type.
Good luck! So you know hope to do something well with him and um.
You know i’m working with quite a few fighters as an advisor as the um.
You know arthur bleznoff uh.
I have not heard of him the chechen wolf from toronto.
No, i haven’t uh.
I haven’t heard of him.
Actually these are some of these are some new ones.
These are some good guys, you’re gon na be working awesome.
I i believe, he’s 9-0 with seven.
I work with him, i’m his advisor and um he’s from toronto.
Um just work with a lot of fighters, you know all over the world and you know i have small pieces of fighters, five six percent and there’s the advisor and stuff like that and i’m happy with that.
It works well for me and i’m not the main guy, and i don’t want to be because it’s too much responsibility and i’ve got too many corporate accounts.
I have to worry about, you know promoters and tv networks and casinos and stuff like that to um to handle fighters because you become a high-priced babysitter and i’m not going to do that.
I’D rather i’d.
Rather, i’d rather uh render the advice and call and move the fighters along in the organizations and do my job in that area rather than um.
You know deal with fighters on a daily basis.
It’S too hard enough hours and a day now for me, so so, for example, the casino would call you up and say uh we’re looking to put on an event or a monthly event and not exactly um.
They they’ll call me and say what do you think of this um on this tv network, this fight this this situation, blah blah blah? What can we and should we buy this show they want x, amount of dollars from me from us and uh they.
You know they want to know what, how much do they get away with selling the tickets for, and i have a general idea in their area how what the fight means to boxing it will be well watched on tv, because i want to know for the exposure And i’ll render, i run your advice to them and you know it’s.
You know i don’t get a lot of money for that, but it’s all money.
You know it all adds up at the end of the year.
Without a doubt, you mentioned the toronto boxing scene, while in ontario, as you know, ken hayashi uh, when he was sports, commissioner, he didn’t allow he ruined it took the word took the words out of my mouth.
So a lot a lot of the fighting has been going on in montreal and uh post coven now start pick up, at least, but it’s good to know that you have your ear on the ground uh with respect to what’s happening in toronto, because i know there Have been a few fights up in brampton very recently, and you know so there’s it’s starting to pick up once again now that ken hey she’s out of the picture, but he’s been on for about five years now, to be honest with you, the thing that slowed It down was the cobin and then the government’s been shut everything down up there in boxing but um.
He he was a cancer to professional boxing in ontario his rain.
His reign was absolutely.
It was a.
It was a hit.
It was a hitler type of rain.
It really was really build boxing off, i mean it was terrible, and you know i had it right when i met the guy.
The first time over the phone i had a beef with him and billy irwin and tom gillespie were making their pro debuts and and um niagara falls ontario or i think it was.
Maybe it was toronto.
I can’t even remember anymore that both guys were in first round knockouts and he turned on a lot of guys for both and he settled with these two guys.
You got me, you screwed me, those were bums, i said no, you got two olympians that can fight.
After that he gets kept, he kept raising the bar all the time.
It was just some fun.
It was terrible, it was a horrible experience.
It’S this is not a place.
You’Re gon na build up fighters, you got ta, these guys got ta fight and i keep putting them in they kept winning and winning and winning winning.
It was my fault.
It was unbelievable.
This guy, you know what a horrible human being one of the worst i’ve ever met seriously.
If i had to rate a top 10 a horrible person, a boxing list over my 31 years, he’d be easily been supplanted in that top ten easily uh rick in, in your opinion, what uh? What do you think needs to be done in ontario to resurrect it? Um more more fan, awareness from the promoters.
For starters, you know, and the fighters themselves um the fighters don’t seem to promote themselves.
They do in montreal um.
I think they’ve got to get away from the center of toronto and go to these a little smaller facilities.
In the around the edges of toronto, because things get lost in the shuffle in toronto, because it’s such a big booming uh city, and if you went to the smaller areas like oakville right on the edge, you would do better business in a smaller community where the People will be more well aware of in a batch.
Does that make sense that makes total sense.
Yeah everybody out there listening has heard that that’s exactly that makes total sense uh.
I know there’s like we.
We have had smaller events, uh like in brampton and stuff like that, but yeah even further out like oakville oshawa pickering, there’s, there’s all these small places and i guess yeah it would be up to the promoters and the fighters to promote and get things going here.
Definitely yeah it’s it’s also too expensive to run a show up there, the insurance, the rental factor.
It’S a little bit heavy everybody needs to cooperate.
Everybody, here’s professional boxing, they’re trying to gouge.
It’S not like that.
It’S gras, it’s grassroots boxing and you can’t gouge on grassroots boxing speaking of uh, guys in the industry, who’ve had their ups and downs don king last weekend, putting on the event and uh we, you know, we realistically hadn’t heard his name in professional boxing for quite Some time, but he put on an event, it was relatively successful.
It was a pretty small, but to your point about small venues, it was a pretty small venue, i believe in ohio um, but nonetheless you know uh he put on uh some some.
You know.
I think there were six different titles up for grabs six titles, so so it makes me wonder you know if going out to these smaller venues, these smaller centers uh you’ll get a more uh a more excited crowd if you will, as opposed to yeah, absolutely absolutely Too many people in the casinos are sitting ringside.
They get free tickets, they’re sitting on their hands; they’re, not jumping up and down the guy who’s buying his ticket for 50 60 bucks that blue-collar guy he gets excited it’s it’s it’s a lot of it’s locale.
It’S a lot of it is um demographics.
It’S just the way it is boxing is a boxing’s, a true blue collar sport.
You know, i mean yeah, the high rollers, the gamblers.
They come to the big events, but when you talk about a small event in a small town, it’s the local people, the local iron worker, the local construction worker that that’s the guy that driving the ticket sales brings.
His son brings his son-in-law.
That’S what it’s about! You know what i mean and don don recognizes that, and they had a nice turnout of 2500 people, the other night in a small town, a small wore out steel town.
So their journeys are right there.
He wouldn’t have 2500 for that show.
If he was down in south florida there you go too many things to do: [, Laughter ].
What are your thoughts on the uh, the katie taylor and amanda sereno? Well, i’m not a believer in women’s boxing.
I don’t enjoy it myself, i’m old school, but it’s it’s big.
A women’s fight has been since uh laila lee and the jackie fraser in the early 2000s.
So it’s like 20 years ago, 21 years ago.
So it’s a big fight, no question about it’s a big fight and um.
You know it’s um, it’s the it’s the korean, it’s the cream of the crop of ladies of women’s boxing.
Let’S put it that way too yeah.
It certainly is.
It certainly is what about what about these comments that were coming out in in the in the wake of the uh tyson, fury, dillian white connection, when they finally agreed to a deal uh where they said well, there may not be a pay-per-view opportunity for this fight.
In america, what do you think about that? It’S going to be a pay-per-view in america? Um? I don’t know, i don’t know where people get you got ta.
How are you gon na pay for 41 million dollars pay-per-view? It’S got to be pay-per-view in the uk.
It’S got to be pay-per-view in america, it’s got to be sold the countries all over the world.
They got to do a massive walk, massive crowd.
I mean you’re going to have an awful lot of revenue streams to pay for 41 million um.
I, in my mind what i think it’ll do in numbers.
It’Ll do.
I think it grosses somewhere around 47 to 48 million dollars in my mind, uh after paying off the um, the uh any you know, uh any cable providers in the us they’re going to go.
Um espn plus um espn, plus app uh, pay-per-view they’re, not gon na go cable or satellite uh, but i think it does well.
I think um, i think, it’ll be a real sell because i think both of them have big mouths and that’s a good thing and when you’re promoting a pay-per-view event, especially and um, bob arum, frank warren doesn’t get more iconic than those two um and the press Writes everything frank and bob say so i think it’s a natural fit.
I really do.
I think it’s a.
I think i think did they overpay um? No, they didn’t really overpay, because i’m sure, if tyson fury’s working on a less guarantee than their percentage would indicate on the winning call, so they didn’t really overpay.
They want to control the promotion and tyson fury wanted his people to have to control the promotion.
So they worked it out beforehand and there’s probably a guarantee an x amount of dollars in there for him and he’s probably not getting his full uh.
80 percent of the of the of the revenue of the um first bid.
It was worked out beforehand.
I’M sure it was what do you think about the insides of the deals you’re, giving us the insides of how it all works? I like that yeah [ Laughter ], which brings me to my next question.
Uh bob aaron uh recently said that he didn’t make any money off terence crawford.
I find that hard to believe uh.
I i know he didn’t.
He didn’t did not even wow, no, not not on the shows in the end.
In other words, i’m not saying along the way when he was a lightweight lightweight champ and a junior welterweight champ, but when he was starting to pay him four four to half five six million, a fight.
No, he didn’t make any money so who’s going to win.
That lawsuit, it’s not even a contest aaron, will blow him away.
[ Laughter, ], probably it’s as stupid as it comes.
I will say that if terence crawford is owed a fight, if he is then here’s the problem with that lawsuit.
Okay, the lawyers said that he’s older fight from 2019.
He had two for two fights in 2019.
It was 2020, he had one fight and the one, but we they were shut down for covenant for a while, and he didn’t want to fight with no crowd.
He wanted to fight with a crowd, so he held out only had one fight that year now, let’s just say, he is out of fight from that year on november 20th, when he beat porter, he announced i’m now a free agent, i’m done with top rank done With bob aaron i’m moving on right well, if he’s ought to fight how’s, he done with top rate.
If you’re older right there, you will never fight too yeah, so you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
You understand what i mean okay, so he announced himself as a free agent.
When you do that, you know how you go backwards.
The judge will say whoa, whoa whoa, you said you were free.
I didn’t say you ought to fight.
Well, then go you got ta.
Go back to top rank, so you know that’s how it works, so we’ll see what happens, but there’s no racism by bob aaron, all this crazy, crazy stuff.
You know he didn’t hold his career back.
This is crazy.
So that’s one of the things that we said.
I mean we said this is the money business at the end of the day, bob aaron is going to make er he’s going to do everything possible to make money.
So why would he hold anyone? It’S not in his best interest to hold anyone? It’S not.
It makes no sense at all zero right.
That’S that’s what we were saying uh last week by the way, look at all the black fighters bob just signed up in the last the last year.
Every olympian there was okay, every olympian, every male olympian, i should say uh one was a mexican-american, the rest of them are african-american, the list goes on and on a whole, a whole bunch of fighters.
So it’s totally crazy.
You know really crazy.
I mean look.
Look at terry look at uh, george foreman said tim bradley came out, they’re all coming out and in bob’s defense, there’s no racism there, it’s utterly ridiculous yeah.
I mean that’s what we were saying by the way just to let you know how boxing i am.
I got a johan boxing gym t-shirt from philadelphia, see that i love it.
I love it um.
What do you think this is going to do to crawford’s crawford’s career uh after well? He was aligned with like josh taylor, who was promoted by aaron, so that was you know that he shot himself in the foot there um.
I don’t see anybody else, making them any offers for that ridiculous money.
When bob was paying them – and i don’t see anybody else – jumping and saying i want to fight there’s crawford so sort of like between a rock and a hard place right now, let’s see what thurman does if thurman wins tomorrow night, okay, i mean listen.
If barros wins, they can make boros and uh and um terence crawford.
The problem is no public demand for it.
There is public demand for thurman and – and i think thermal priced himself out.
Okay, so that’s my opinion.
Are you watching the fights tomorrow night? Am i watching the fights tomorrow night? Am i watching i’m not watching the pay-per-view? No, no, no [ Laughter, ], no i’ll be watching pam rodriguez um! Hopefully, yes, he’s gon na he’s gon na he’s gon na yeah.
I’M a believer in him.
I’M a big believer in him um i i just i here’s my view on pay-per-view.
Okay, boxing, it’s it’s an old model.
With that, the streaming networks came, the streaming apps came in with uh the zone with espn, plus they shouldn’t be putting fights on, except for the biggest fights wilder fury belonged on, pay-per-view porter crawford was barely pay-per-view.
The only reason why it was was because porter was the number one contender was a two-time champ and basically was is a top welterweight contender.
Okay, i get that so that was pay-per-view.
Barely okay, these other fights that heyman al haymon is putting on pbc that this stuff’s not pay-per-view.
Now these guys tomorrow night.
Let me give you a little of the background.
One guy who lost his last fight has been an act of two and a half years.
Okay, the other guy he got knocked out in his last fight and now they’re fighting on pay-per-view.
It sounds like a consolation bout.
This is not even about that should be on free fox on a main event on free fox.
This is like a like a cool feature and they’re getting you know, and it’s just it’s not pay-per-view material, we’re embarrassing ourselves.
I mean i mean martin uh lewis, lewis, ortiz and charles martin wasn’t pay-per-view.
None of these fights are pay-per-view uh, tate davis and um, and the pit bull they’re cruz.
I i i sac cruz, that’s not pay-per-view pay-per-view is for the biggest fights.
Okay, you know.
Um a pay-per-view fight could be chocolatito and estrada again.
Something like that.
That’S that, but you know eddie hearns putting that on on on the zone, but that’s a pay-per-view quality fight.
Okay, it doesn’t go by the weight class.
It goes by the best of the best, the popularity of the fighters, the people, fights and public demand that people want to see and nobody at nobody.
Nobody in this world says i can’t wait to see thurman uh borrows or are they gon na fight? You know before it was even announced: are they gon na fight? No, nobody asked for that fight that came out of nowhere and and and and it’s the old yiddish expression it’s drek [ Laughter, ] um rick.
What? What is your thoughts on eddie hearn’s performance in the usa, with uh, matt’s room usa? Basically, a flop he’s eddie’s, a great he’s, been a great uk promoter and he has not made a mark in the united states and i’m not saying he flopped, but he’s flopped compared to what he’s done in the uk yeah, i’m not saying he’s been unsuccessful, but He hasn’t been nearly as successful as he should.
He didn’t hire the right people when he started um too many decisions are being made from the other side of the pond.
It doesn’t work over there.
A guy sitting in england, okay in london, doesn’t know it’s happening in arizona, doesn’t know what’s happening in california, doesn’t understand the demographics, the lay of the land.
What events are happening in that area that day? What’S on national tv over here, that’s going to affect everything they just don’t know i mean they just don’t know they just don’t have a clue.
So this is what you got.
You got a guy that you.
You can’t serve two masters and eddie’s serving two masters, which is the basically the uk and america, and it’s very very hard to do every time.
Aaron does something that’s overseas.
He brings a partner in frank warren in england, mtk in england, um, mr honda in japan.
He has a partner on the ground over there eddie’s trying to conquer the world single-handedly it doesn’t work too.
Well.
Okay, are you? Are you familiar with uh? What pro bellum is doing? Of course, i am i just i did i just uh.
I just signed up spencer wilcox for pro bella, so i’m sure yeah.
So yes, i’m very familiar with what they’re doing they have a very good business model, um, both promotionally and for ads that meet as a worldwide media company and um.
They have.
They have a lot of brains behind it.
It’S not only richard shaffer there’s harrison whitman, there’s a there’s um, oh god, eric winter on the c-o-o.
There’S a lot of anthony camp cesaro.
There’S a lot of intelligent people involved, uh with um with pro bellum and um.
Well, richard was had ringstar.
He was by himself richard shaffer uh.
This is a company surrounded by intelligent people, so i think they have a real um chance to make it yeah.
Absolutely i mean when i, when i do the new show and i’m reading off a lot of the deals that they’re doing on a week-by-week basis is really mind-blowing they’re going around.
I’M sorry excuse me also the chechen wolf from toronto of the iron republic advisor he signed up with them too.
So there you go.
Two guys from ontario are signed up with them pro bella man they’re, making the right moves.
It seems like it looks like they’re uh.
Well, they’re, definitely good.
They got two shows in march uh, back-to-back on the same weekend and the 18th and 19th of march in dubai uh they got shows all over the place and all all the time and they’re doing well they’re moving.
You know, i mean they’re doing well.
Yes, they are, they are and uh.
I think i think they’re going to become, i think, didn’t richard work with uh oscar de la hoya at one point yeah.
He he ran the company as president okay, so he said enough of the shenanigans.
I’M going to start things and do things right, so a lot of strategic moves were put into play and uh.
You know i think they’re going to be a huge force in this upcoming two years.
Yep yeah and it’s it’s not run by richard richard – is the the president, but there’s a like, i said, there’s a lot of smart people that are around him.
He’S not he’s not a lone ranger here, where he’s a lone ranger, with rings with the row with ring star right, so carl’s ass go ahead, go ahead and quickly.
Well, i’m just going to say carl from last spell boxing says: uh hello to you, rick uh.
He says you’re a legend uh also says the savior of all things promotions in the u.
s, and he wanted me to quote him, so i did just to do it for you.
What did he say? I’M sorry.
He said he said the savior of all things promotions in the u.
s quote me carl’s a good man.
Yes, he is yes, he is.
He says de la hoya versus waymother uh uh mayweather your thoughts, you mean back in the day or you mean them fighting again back in the day, carl or them fighting again.
We got ta know i hope they don’t fight again.
Neither of them should grace a boxing ring again and uh they’ll they’ll.
You know you know they let the people let their legacy, be the fight that they already had right right.
I think i think i think at one point you should just not not jump back in the ring.
There’S there’s yeah my thoughts on that mayweather.
Are we uh? We once had a show with that was hosted by the canadian heavyweight champ bullarey and he did an entire uh show devoted to floyd mayweather and how he should not have been uh.
He should not have left the the an undefeated uh record in place because he he lost three fights according to to bola over over the span of his uh career.
So it was a blemished record in his opinion, so anyways floyd mayweather just comes to mind.
Sorry, i don’t know it’s it’s a huge debate in the boxing community, whether it should well there’s there’s our there’s rumors it’s about to happen.
So i don’t know what he’s re-entering the ring.
Yeah that uh the de la hoya mayweather might happen again.
I don’t like those exhibition things and old timers and it’s just a joke.
You know it’s um.
What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on jake, paul and the way he’s promoting things? Then listen he’s done well for himself.
Um he’s bringing new eyeballs to boxing whether they stay or not.
It’S a different issue.
I don’t know that it’s too early to say, but um so far so good.
You know i mean he does some fun stuff and uh.
You know i don’t buy that celebrity type boxing stuff um, but it’s um.
You know, you know, he’s got gumption and um.
You got to respect what he’s done so far and he’s done well so far.
So, let’s see how it pans out going forward and see where it goes from here, do you think? Do you think that his promotional company has a chance in in boxing depends who’s involved with it depends who’s who’s, um, who’s, helping run it um? If we were relying on just jake paul, i don’t know that, but you know, let’s see if there’s boxing guys business executives, let’s see who’s involved.
I don’t know that um do i think they have a chance, or should they have a chance? They have money.
They have um he’s, got notoriety, he’s done well for himself.
So far, so he’s a natural promoter, so maybe maybe he does well.
I i can’t, i don’t think he’s gon na make a big imprint boxing, but he might be might be a third level promoter or something like that, but he’s not going to be able to compete with the the top ranks and you know jeez.
You know just it’s pretty tough out of curiosity uh.
We were talking about this.
The other day with bob aaron hitting 90 odd years plus did, and you were mentioning executives at the pro bellum level uh.
What are his executives like uh, like they’re they’re, the tops in the business dumb he’s got his uh, his stepson uh todd the buff as the um president um bob’s a chairman.
They have a c.
o.
o uh brad jacobs.
He used to run usa network over here.
The boxing um he’s excellent um they’ve got two fabu the two best matchmakers in the business hall of famer uh brad approves trampler and eventual hall of famer brad goodman they’ve got carl moretti uh from who’s um, who ran main events for years um.
You know they’ve got a full staff of seven executive, they have, they have an in-house lawyer.
They have an in-house uh chief financial officer.
They’Ve got it all in place.
You know they got a top pr staff.
You know they they’re in business upon bob’s final demise.
They won’t miss a step good for them because uh, i know when, when mike reads off a lot a lot of the up up-and-coming signings uh too top-ranked.
I mean we’re, we’re not surprised, but we are.
We are curious.
Uh.
You know how that company will we’ll move on, but it’s a it’s a question.
That’S uh the the three questions i get asked every week.
What happens when bob aaron dies? Okay, the top rank is one okay um.
You know – and of course you know, you know you know mike mike tyson versus rocky martin, seattle who’d, win, know that that stupid one um and um.
The other basic question is that um, you know how do you make a living in boxing? How do you do that, so you know you’re, not a manager you’re, not a promoter but like how do you do that? Well, i broke your deals every day and i get let i read your advice.
What can i tell you, so i get that you just see i’ll tell you guys a funny story? Okay, so i met my wife and she tries to explain to my her brother and her father what i do for a living and they were sitting there scratching their heads like.
What do you call so? The brother gets out the computer, he says: well, he ain’t lying.
So you know 30 pages came up, so you know dad king henchmen this this blah blah blah.
Well, he ain’t lying.
If this is his favorite blazer, but it said you know some of them said williamsville new york, buffalo, so yeah it was me, so it’s tough to explain to people what i do for a living.
You know i’ll tell you guys.
One really funny story that i tell people and they people go, they hit the deck.
So i was on off.
I was, i got bumped up to first class.
I was in new york city and i was flying to um uh palm beach and i was gon na spend some time down there.
You know like a month six weeks, you know a little vacation do business with don king.
You know normal [, __ ] and i’m sitting next to this woman, she’s wearing a rolex with diamonds she’s wearing you know, got the gucci purse, you know she’s real look, you know she read the money yeah she says.
So what do you do for a living? She says to me: i said we talked for a few minutes.
I says.
Oh, i says i says uh, i’m a um.
I says i’m in the boxing business.
She says corrugated, so so wait.
He says no professional boxing business.
You know she said that.
Oh, you have a doctorate in it, [ Laughter ], so she was at oblivious.
So i just said: okay, yes, i do [ Laughter, ], [, Music, ] person say to me one time so: um woody uh a guy and he says uh, you know what do you do for a living? I said i’m in the professional boxing business.
The only thing i know about leona about it is letting fluids is world heavyweight champ, i said, he’s been retired for six years, so yeah.
So there you go.
So it’s you know, and so it’s a weird thing when you tell somebody you’re in boxing, you know whether it’s a whether it you know whether it’s a a woman you’re trying to date.
I had a woman that um, i didn’t know what she did for exactly what she did for a living, but she i knew she was a nurse, but i didn’t know what kind.
So i didn’t tell her what i did.
I just told her that you know.
I’M a businessman i negotiate good business deals.
A guy comes up to me in a restaurant.
He asked me for my autograph for his son that his son’s a big fan of mine, so i saw you on tv the other night when it would sit next to don king, but she knew don king was the woman stormed out of the place? She was all mad.
She gets up.
She goes.
You lied to me, you know what she did for a living.
She worked when she worked with head trauma: victims, big boxing fan, [, Music ].
I had a prior girlfriend, here’s another one.
I had a prior girlfriend that she hated boxing and that’s why we broke up.
She couldn’t stand it.
She couldn’t stand telling people i did for a living um.
She was into the you know: the arts, you know the the plays the you know, all that kind of stuff.
You know theater stuff and i’m into sports.
You know in general, but boxing in particular, and she couldn’t stand it and she just said you know we’re.
Not you know we shouldn’t be together, we’re opposite people.
In that respect.
I don’t respect that.
You put people in a ring to be hit each other in the head and uh.
You know it just didn’t work, so it’s it listen and then you’ve had other women that, like, oh, my god, you know they think that they think it’s really cool what i do for a living.
My wife thought it was cool.
So my wife watched boxing with her father and her brother.
She grew up watching it, so she thought it was cool and i got a little lucky there.
If she hated boxing.
I’D still be single, just imagine: [ __ ].
She like boxing true that drew that oh man, yes, do.
You feel, though, that boxers should continue.
There’S no concussion protocol in boxing, but should should fighters be allowed to continue? Well, there is actually a concussion protocol, because if you get a concussion of boxing basis, the commission suspend you uh indefinitely for a minimum of 90 days.
Then you have to get head tests.
Mri neurology tests, all kinds of cat scan all that kind of stuff.
So there is, there actually is yes, concussion protocol yep, if there’s no health, if there’s, if the boxer doesn’t have health insurance, how is that covered in the u.
s because of the um it’s covered, because the promoter, the next fight, that wants to put him in his Next fight, well, sometimes he’ll pay for it, or sometimes the insurance from the bout that he was already in, will pay for it.
Okay, yeah something we wondered often um.
Well, i answered another question: keep going come on i’m reading this comment about one of our favorite subjects here, lennox lewis.
Now let me give you a bit of a backgrounder.
He was born in britain, but when his dad left the family him and his mom moved to canada, he was raised in canada.
He was trained in canada by canadians.
He went to the olympics twice at the second olympics.
He won the gold for canada and then, as a young adult, he moved over back to england uh as a dual citizenship and uh, and you know continued a great pro career over in england um, but carl is saying to clarify some comments: uh that you’d made Something about jamaican and canadian and whatever yeah jamaican his father was jamaican correct.
So so there’s no way you can have triple citizenship so uh! No, i don’t know, i didn’t see a triple citizenship.
I said he’s claimed by by the people of three countries like canada.
The uk, which is not a country, england’s the country, but the kingdom and um in jamaica, so i mean yes, you know no question, i mean he was a he’s.
He was a great heavyweight and he’s well respect great champion.
Remember very unusual.
He left the game with the title intact: yeah he he was world champ when he retired that’s very interesting, i’m just undisputed and walked and retired, and it’s he’s the last undisputed.
Have you a champion in boxing there you go right and then we have the four belt error.
There’S never been an undisputed champion since we’ve had four belts in the heavyweight division.
Yep correct, though yeah man wow some big fights this weekend, though i’m loving it, i’m loving it yeah.
I i really like um bam, rod, biggest quadras fight, that’s great fight, um! That’S what i’m looking for to be honest with you yeah, that’s uh, that’s gon na! Be a great fight and then we have uh eubank and uh liam yeah.
That’S good! That’S a good fight too! That definitely is a good point too yeah.
So what’s your thoughts on the outcome i fee i favor lee.
I do, i think, he’s a tough.
I think he’s a tough gritty guy and i think he’ll get it done yeah, i think so as well.
I think it’s gon na be great a lot of good fights to watch this weekend to all the fans out there that are watching us.
You know what it is: man, there’s there’s tons of fights tons of cards it’s.
Finally, boxing is getting back underway with uh with, i guess the uk opening up with their fights uh taking the month of january off, and it’s now over since it’s now february.
I’M looking forward to this uh carl says: eubank beats williams, uh ray from last night ray also says: eubank beats williams.
Um should be a good one.
I can’t i can’t wait for this fight.
This card gets underway at uh.
I believe it’s uh.
2 p.
m.
Eastern standard time for all those people in uh in north america, i um just to let you know i, like williams, because he’s a gritty guy and when you fight a gritty guy fights a stylist who’s, not a great puncher.
Normally the gritty guy gets in on him, so i think that that’s going to be, you know a fight that will be in the trench.
I know eubank is not going to want to do the fighting it’s going to be lee williams, but i think liam williams can can handle it.
So it’s gon na be a fight.
It’S a fight about levels, that’s for sure, mm-hmm! No questions, no good! Graham.
What else you got come on now, fire away? Now? No, no! I’M! I love! I love talking to guys uh about history, uh, the history of the sport and the changes that have taken place in the sport over the over the decades uh.
I myself, as a youngster, was watching the muhammad ali, joe frazier uh, go back and forth the tilts that they had uh, obviously long before uh i mean, quite frankly, it was on a black and white television uh.
That’S how long ago it was but uh, and then you know you you go through these various eras and i’m a fan of the heavyweights and the something that we were discussing.
The other day was um the size, the actual size of tyson fury and how many of these heavy weights are truly super heavy weights.
Like you know, six foot, nine and uh, you know closing in on 300 pounds like those are big boys and uh.
You know i don’t want to see another division.
I think we have enough divisions.
I think it’s enough, but i am you know i am like.
I am seeing the.
How do you say it? Uh, the grooming, the grooming of these much bigger heavyweights, uh jared anderson – would be a great example.
I think he’s got a great future ahead of him.
I really like him uh.
I forget that fella you interviewed mike uh uh, but he’s he who uh uh you’re talking about matty matty, another big kid man, six foot, nine coming out coming out of the uk, he’s a big boy, six, nine two! Seventy he’s gon na be uh.
He’S got a lot, lots a lot to a lot to do in this world for sure at that size.
So i think i think, uh.
You know i think eddie eddie, i’m saying this rather jokingly.
The other day i said you know so.
Eddie hearn’s got himself a bit of a dilemma: uh because he’s he’s got both dillian white and uh, anthony joshua in his stable and if they both lose, i was i was making the joke.
I wonder if he’s got his feelers out uh for unsigned heavyweights right now, because if those two guys both lose, i don’t know who else he’s got this stable he’s still got a piece of usac, so you know he’s still involved there.
So, oh does he.
I did not yep good to know good to know.
Well, i just noticed i just noticed that carl and ray are agreeing on something for the first time ever and it’s actually happening in the comments right now live.
What is it they were agree? They were both agreeing that eubank takes the fight and uh they never they.
They always batted heads uh in their opinions, and i just think it’s funny that i’ve just watched these guys both agree first time ever [ Laughter ], as as as we as as we wind down here, uh yeah, two minutes.
We have two minutes left one.
One of our biggest um audience sides that come in to tune into our show is actually from nigeria, and i was speaking to a fellow not in nigeria, but in ghana, a neighboring country, and he said boxing in west africa is absolutely taking off.
And if you take a look at the population base, i think it’s like 300 million in nigeria and maybe 100 million westward towards senegal, but you’ve got a huge boxing demographic.
If you will uh, that’s not really been tapped into by the mainstream boxing promoters, uh.
What? What do you? What do you think there do you think we’ve got easy, there’s there’s no money there.
The people are poor, it’s not going to happen.
The promoters go where the money is.
They asked willie sutton.
Why do you rob banks? He said that was where the money is [ Laughter, ], so, okay, so it’s they’re, not gon na there’s, no reason to go there.
They’Re gon na go to las vegas.
We’Re gon na go to go to what was the staple center, which is crypto whatever now they’re gon na go to madison square garden, they’re gon na go to the el elmo dome in san antonio.
That’S where they’re going they’re not going to nigeria.
That won’t happen.
So, that’s it that’s the issue with us.
We have one more minute.
Okay, i want to say thank you very much for having me on um, i’m as close to you, as just like you got all contacted me um, i’m i’m available when you guys are um.
If, if i’m not at the fights on friday night, i don’t go to fights that much um, i’m available and um.
If anybody wants to get a hold of me and follow me on twitter, it’s uh, it’s there’s several fake rick laser accounts, but this is at real rick laser one, the numeral one.
I have 4 100 followers and i just went on instagram.
It’S it’s a rick.
Laser dot one, so that’s how to get hold of me and uh.
You know follow my stuff and what i’m all about you know and my website is glazerboxing.
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So real, quick i’ll tell you guys a real, quick funny story.
You guys would really, like i told my wife back a few years ago.
You know that when this the cash app started he’s you know, they’re sending me money for advice.
What do you give advice on?
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