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Hello boxing fans around the world, thank you for joining us once again here on talk and fight for another episode of the friday night panel uh.
Once again, it’s uh mike myself, uh, graham john, and u to discuss just a few things: one, the upcoming bouts and all the uh things that have been said within the boxing community this past week, not only the terence crawford debacle, uh, but the various i mean They’Re comical uh things that have been said in the world of the heavyweight division.
To me, anyway, i mean i was reading off the news items this morning, because i had uh come across a tony yoaka fight that had finally become a thing and uh, and then i was just looking through the heavyweight uh comments of being made back and forth.
Starting with larry holmes, calling out tyson fury and anthony joshua’s being pretty pretty unskilled in his opinion, mind-blowing stuff, quite frankly, but i couldn’t believe the chatter and the more the more i you know, went down this rabbit hole the funnier it got quite frankly what, anyway, Before i digress into the world of the heavyweight division and what these guys are saying about each other, what do you have to say mike? What do i have to say? Lots all right, yeah! Well! Well, not not really lots honestly, uh guys uh out there.
Yes, boxing fans: there is an event tomorrow tomorrow, uh not really too much going on tonight in the world of boxing uh, but tomorrow we do have a great card for you: uh the smith jr versus geford uh january 15, 10 pm on fight tv, uh, wbo, Light heavyweight world champion joe smith, jr, will make his first title defense against an unlikely contender.
British puncher, talon johnson tested positive for covet 19.
right, so smith will now face stephen gefford on saturday january 15th, at turning stone, resort and casino live on espn guys.
This is going to be a great fight in the 10 round.
Co feature featherweight contender, abraham nova, guys.
I’Ve already mentioned this guy before 20-0 14 kos, who was originally slated to fight jose enrique vivas, will fight dominican, veteran gego incarnation, who is 1901 with 15 kos.
After vivas dropped out with an injury uh, yes guys, you might not, you might not think that this card is gon na, be super exciting, but the co-main event abraham nova, watch out for this kid man uh, if you guys don’t remember who he is, he is L super 28 year old, this guy he’s ranked 34th out of 1401 people in the world in the super feather division he’s five nine, with a 72 inch reach and managed by david maywater.
We’Ve gone over this guys before so you know this is gon na, be an exciting, an exciting card, even if you don’t know who was on it guys.
Most of the guys that i’ve been talking about throughout the year are actually on on this card.
Also jahi tucker, troy, eisley and omar rosario are all in action on this card.
Jahi tucker 5-0 looking to stay undefeated, troy ozzy we’ve talked about him before guys, 3-0, looking to stay undefeated and omar rosario, still 5-0 waiting to move up to the next one man and stay undefeated with enough.
You know, sixth win.
So, even though there’s not much going on guys, this is an exciting card.
You’Re gon na love it it’s gon na, be great.
I can’t wait.
Man, i’m super excited, that’s 10 p.
m.
Man, easter time, guys go and check it out tomorrow.
Don’T forget to watch.
I know i’ll be watching for sure from the comfort of my home, because it’s gon na be damn cold tomorrow, so i’m not going anywhere but sitting at home and watching boxing um other than that.
Yes, the heavyweights, the heavyweights and uh shout out to our friends from last month, boxing good evening.
How are you from canada to the uk? What’S going on uh, graham the heavyweight division, a lot of crap talking going on? Hey? Did you join me? You know one of the one of the funny headlines: uh.
It comes out of a pretty reputable uh uh online news magazine, but listen to this headline, tyson fury calls out francis naganu to a boxing match with mma gloves: hey four ounce clubs.
Okay, so isn’t that crazy, it’s gon na happen! Oh this is gon na be a great.
This is great! Well, interestingly enough, tyson fury’s supposed to be going against uh dillian white, but yes, uh eddie hearn keeps on demanding more money right now.
I think it was the wba who said uh it’s going to be an 80 20 split and that’s more than fair.
Given that dylan white, i think his last fight.
He got himself 300 000 paycheck uh, whereas tyson fury made 20 million uh, given his pay-per-view numbers against uh deontay wilder anyway.
So the numbers seem to be fair at 80, 20, but daddy hearn says no.
No, no, that’s not fair uh.
We want a better split.
So that that delaying white contest has not yet been confirmed – and i mean i’m pretty sure otto wallen a while back said – hey man, i’m ready to step in uh.
So you know that the headlines are insane when it comes to the uh.
You know the the heavyweight we were.
We were joking last year i mean which is only a month ago, but we were joking last year about uh.
You know unclogging the heavyweights, but if you listen to the chit chat, that’s going on right now, which is it to me, is incredibly comical.
I mean it’s like a soap opera of well legendary proportions.
I would say, because i can’t believe what i’m hearing we’re reading uh.
You know, and it is really really funny it is funny.
What about you, do you think? Have you seen any of these headlines recently i mean they honestly, i’m i’m loving the larry holmes.
I’M loving homes right now claims that today’s heavyweight boxers have no skills uh tyson, fury, anthony joshua’s boxing ability slammed really hard by larry holmes.
Man saying that fury and anthony joshua lacked the skill of mike tyson and muhammad ali.
So you know, there’s there’s a lot of stuff going on and apparently um.
You know larry holmes, uh and merciless ray mercer and smitty’s, but you know attend smitty’s boxing gym fundraiser uh a couple days back and uh.
These two big guests, uh, are just are just not happy with uh the heavyweights.
At this point in time, in the in boxing which – which you know we haven’t all been happy with the heavyweights really so you know he’s he’s only he’s only speaking the truth really he’s speaking the truth.
A little bit, you know he’s my he’s, not happy.
We haven’t been happy, but uh yeah, there’s a lot going on uh tyson tyson fury’s, another one who’s, just shouting his mouth off from day to day guys you got ta see you got ta see in the headlines.
What these guys talk about yeah.
It is incredible.
It’S a rabbit hole you you name, you name the fighter and he has said something outlandish this week i guarantee it um.
I you know, i mean let’s, let’s try and find a really good example.
Uh.
Let me let me have a quick little look here.
I’M i’m not kidding.
I i was i was my verbal socks were knocked off this morning.
Okay, i mean remember, i went down the very serious road of reporting on the tony yoga, philip pergovic fight.
Okay, then i came across the klitschko.
Uh comments, vitali klitschko who was pretty upset, uh saying you know tyson fury’s on steroids, blah blah blah.
You know and then you’ve got frank warren shouting his mouth, i’m saying you know, joy, joyce and joe joyce and daniel dubois are in line for the heavyweight title.
You know so that’s all fine, he can say whatever he wants, but it’s uh who’s that guy i’m thinking of who came out out of the blue, oh derek to zora, derek azor comes out and says you know not only is auntie joshua gon na you know Out of the blue defeat you sick, uh, but then he’s gon na go on and beat fury like what the heck what’s derek jazzur talking about.
I think like okay, let let let’s say: okay and joshua might win uh, that’s! Oh! That was the other headline too uh, something like uh, auntie joshua set to confirm uh his trainer like holy crap.
He said to go against, you say what in april, which is a couple months away and he’s still looking for trainer now, i know he’s been training with various uh people, whether it be in dubai, whether it be over in floyd, mayweather’s camp, so he’s been training, But i don’t know like if you know if i was eddie hearn, who manages auntie joshua, why the heck is it taking so long to find a qualified trainer? I mean i’m pretty sure tim witherspoon doesn’t want the job he doesn’t want to be in the corner.
He doesn’t mind advising these guys uh, but i’m pretty sure if tim was here on this channel with us right now, as he said many times before, there’s no shortage of qualified trainers out there, so so what the heck is anthony joshua playing around at i mean Who the heck is he gon na name like what is this big name that he’s gon na announce sugar hill? Probably you know who the heck yeah? Oh, my god, my my my favorite has definitely been uh, definitely been tyson’s fury’s latest anthony joshua’s uh rant uh, calling him uh.
What was it um uh? He says in quotations.
I can’t believe aj has given ukraine all the heavyweight belts back.
After all, my hard work that it gets, it’s guess not that you haven’t seen it.
I’M sure you’ve seen this one did you see? Did you see that the other social media taunting or whatever it’s called trolling, where tyson fury goes? Hey man? I was drinking 17 pints a day sparring with guys better than you joshua or you’ve.
Let a little steroid man come up from the middleweight and set about you and take all your belts.
Oh, how dare you? Oh man, it’s classic! There’S there’s a great uh.
I think it’s either on instagram or twitter.
I can’t remember where i saw there’s a great uh like it’s a picture of three boxes.
The two boxes on the outside are trim, fit and fight ready, they’re in good form.
Okay in the middle, a very rotund tyson fury, but it’s basically you know, guess who won you know, and so, as a matter of fact, that great canadian boxer, lenny lewis came out and commented so much, it must have been a twitter uh, post uh.
If i, if our producer’s online and he’s got that twitter po, it is absolutely hilarious, um and anyway anyway, i’m just saying like tyson fury, is really stirring up the pot.
He really doesn’t care, i’m pretty sure he might have won one, maybe two fights at most uh left in him realistically and he’s gon na retire.
You know a happy camper and go off and lie in the sun with his wife and kids and have a great old time uh.
You know he’s made enough money, i mean it seems to me he said he’s having he’s having fun with it and he truly is having fun with it, whereas all these other guys are saying give me my shot.
Give me my shot.
Give me my shot and those guys who have been given the shot are sitting at the bottom of the totem pole right now.
I i want, what’s it uh, it’s almost like rocky, the movie that is, you know, hey hey.
I think that was what i think that was the downfall to anthony joshua losing all those belts.
Man was coming out to that stupid rocky song.
You have said that before that’s right, that’s right! Oh i i love this one.
I love.
I love the uh like tyson fury, you know, he’s got he’s got so many of these.
These awesome little little things that he says.
One of them was there’s only ever been one man on these shores and he’s called the gypsy king aka tyson fury like war not also has a contract with joshua’s management label who are guiding him into the next stages of losing his career after losing to joseph Parker right, so the funny thing is and i’m sure i breathe british.
Oh that’s that’s one! That’S one! That’S a pretty good one! Oh wow! Okay, that’s a pretty good one.
What was it? I remember one night i had 14 pints of fosters and then sparred.
Three top heavy weights and battered them all and battered them all.
Look at look at that picture.
Look! Isn’T that wonderful! That’S that’s our heavyweight champ right now! The dummy there is there is.
There is another one out there and uh lennox lewis commented on that because it’s a it’s an lol type comment because uh he he can’t believe uh.
That was close.
That might be it! No, no! No, no, that guy in the right, something again i’m talking about, but there that might be it that that’s! Yes, that’s! This is the one uh, so it somewhere along the lines.
Lance lewis comments on this explaining the current heavyweight division of non-boxing people as a real treat so yeah, the guy in the middle, beat the other two, and i mean look at that.
Isn’T that great, that’s a wonderful picture, isn’t it that is absolutely classic.
Honestly, honestly, somebody needs to turn this one into a poster like like literally let’s blow this one up turn this one into a poster.
Folks tell me you would want to see that you’d buy one.
I know you’d buy one.
That’S so my point is: is tyson fury? Okay, my opinion of the guy has completely changed.
It’S flipped.
I admit it uh.
I didn’t like what he was saying before the deontay wilder fights uh.
But now it’s obvious to me.
He is truly having fun and uh and he’s having fun with people who are trying to make fun of him and uh and he’s he’s basically saying yeah but who’s the champ exactly exactly you know and uh.
So so so i can have as many pints as i want and i’m still going to beat you.
You know classic stuff, yeah yeah.
You know what at least at least the heavyweight division is starting to unclog um.
We have.
We have some great great great new fighters coming up in the heavyweight division origins which is wonderful um.
I’M i’m happy to say that i’ve watched uh one of our prospects.
You know jared big baby anderson go from cross prospect to not only contender now, but title contender like uh as he should be man there’s a lot a lot of things going on um, one of the fury thing, one of the funny things that i heard had To be the helenius right, uh yeah, this uh, that that was hilarious, saying that he would knock out tyson fury right.
You hear this one yep.
I read that off in the news uh today earlier.
That’S that’s! Yes! That’S another funny! Well, not funny, but it i mean i don’t mind like, for example, uh.
Here’S, here’s the headline out of sky sports, because i’m sure the brits will like this fraser clark can emulate joe joyce’s fast heavy right, heavyweight rise, says promoter bench alone.
Fraser clark will move as quickly as joe joyce to reach world heavyweight title within three years: okay, yeah helenius.
Right now we are waiting for a formal response from the wba.
This is my first priority.
Helenius told sky sports.
My lawyer has notified the wba in writing.
I’Ve paid sanctioning fees and there is no more deserving contender to fight usyk in the wba than me.
I fully expect to be officially named the mandatory really really there’s some big some big words coming in there and some big words yeah man, let’s uh, i’m not you know what i’m going to do, i’m just going to go over to box rack and see who The top 10 uh heavyweights are just for fun.
Oh yes, this is a good one.
This is a good one, just for fun in the heavyweight division.
Well, our top ten, our top ten okay, we’ll start it off right.
We’Re starting [, Music, ], then tyson fury.
Then anthony joshua, deontay, welder dealer and white, joseph parkett, derek juzora, michael hunter, murat gossip and louis ortiz right.
So take a look at the next.
Take a look at the next ten yeah.
Then you look at then you look at the next three joe joyce, andy rez, fury little fury, fury and then frank sanchez, not bad adjectives at 16.
, [, Music, ], yep, listen, carl! I know you’ve been asking me to profile him.
Bear with me we’re going to get to it next week, mark martin back home, we’ll we were talking.
This is a classic case of a clogged heavyweight division.
Take a look at this okay, we got the martin today is 20 right, yeah, but then you’ve got adam konaki, daniel dubois, carlos.
Take him a right yeah.
So the top 25 is insane and the – and these guys are anyway, as i said, going at it.
Yeah yeah, it’s boring without tyson.
Absolutely that’s what we’re saying i mean you know i mean uh.
Some some of these guys can say hey.
I deserve to be there.
I deserve to be there but uh at the end of the day.
Tyson’S just come back to them saying, but i’m here yeah, you know what honestly i i i give.
I give bartender another round.
He’S he stopped everybody.
We stopped everybody that we put, that they put in front of him and uh.
You know what, by all means, let him speak his mind, because you know what nobody can shut them up.
You know the the only way to stop tyson fury is beat him in the ring.
That’S the only way you’re going to stop his mouth from running, but you know what, as long as it’s running it’s making for great entertainment, it’s keeping us it’s keeping us entertained.
I’Ll.
Tell you that much with the things that he says and the things that he posts on twitter about yes without without tyson, the heavyweight division would be boring as hell.
Definitely, let’s close out this segment uh with a few quick comments on terence crawford, because not only is that entertaining, but it’s actually quite serious um.
You know his comments about the racial bias.
Uh is one thing, but then then, there’s all sorts of media reports now surfacing uh quite publicly as to who uh bob aaron hasn’t rep.
If you, if you take a quick google as to who’s representing him, uh, it’s a lawyer out of uh now located in dubai um, i forget his name uh, but anyway has uh, shall we say: underworld, uh, uh, underworld, dealings in the past barbara, i’m saying: hey Man, i don’t care what he’s done in the past.
Uh he’s a good guy, he’s an honest guy and i like him and then out of that comes another link to uh, mtk, global’s, co-founders uh and his underworld dealings.
So it’s like this is not good for boxing.
Quite frankly, that’s what i’m saying so, regardless of the lawsuit, regardless of the outcome, which is all about money.
To be blunt, you know, and it’s and and the numbers and the numbers that he’s looking for are are big.
It’S not a small money.
You know we’re talking in the tens of millions of dollars.
This lawsuit is 10 minutes, 10 million, but no, but he’s also looking he’s.
Look he’s also looking for reimbursement for trading fees as well.
So it’s not just 10.
.
It’S it’s there’s, there’s more there’s more to it than that, and it’s all about this.
If it wasn’t for his racial, racially biased opinion uh, you know it it.
It held me back uh, he favored whites and latinos, and all it’s yeah.
I don’t know, there’s there’s a lot going on there.
It’S kind of messy uh.
You know it.
It’S it’s hurting.
I think it’s hurting the sport of boxing.
Absolutely that’s what i’m saying i’m it’s! It’S dirty! It’S nasty yeah! It’S hurting us uh! It’S not good! For your average uh, your average casual fan who’s reading those kinds of headlines.
It’S not good! You know.
You’Ve got race on one hand, and you know we’re going through this whole black lives matter thing and all of a sudden boom.
This comes out and that’s legit and then you’ve got the whole underworld component, tight, still tied to boxing, which we thought had been cleansed from boxing and i’m sure i’m sure i’m i’m going to put my money behind eddie hearn on this one.
You know, and i really thought he had done – a good job of presenting himself as clean and uh and and and you know, levels above these other fellas who’ve like i can’t i i’m sorry, i can’t a convicted criminal don king is back in the business just For example, you know so i mean this is not good for boxing those types of guys, i’m not saying they should not be allowed.
It’S a competitive, uh, capitalist environment.
Anyone can do anything, they want really uh, but it’s not.
All i’m saying is from a media perspective, it’s not good for boxing uh.
This lawsuit’s, not good for boxing, what’s being said, is not good for boxing uh and for us to ignore it like.
Potentially, we should ignore it uh, but can we ignore it? The answer is no uh.
Does terence crawford have a point.
I don’t think you know what, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, some 90 year old man probably says a whole bunch of stuff, because he’s nine years old, okay, a 90 year old man’s filter, is very very turned on low right.
So that’s one thing to consider going forward: okay, but uh.
You know you know at the end of the day he may be old school.
You know there’s black people and there’s white people and that’s just simply racist because we’re all human beings at the end of the day we all bleed red and, at the end of the day uh you know.
But what he is is he’s a promoter and he’s driven by money.
That’S what he’s driven by he’s driven by money, so there’s no way in the world.
He would prevent the fight from happening if he knew he was going to make a buck.
So – and this is – and this is why this is see where crawford is saying that is his racial – you know the racism that’s coming out and how bob arum’s a racist.
This is what you know has hindered his career.
What’S held back from us crawford earl, spence um, let’s be real man.
Terence crawford is one of the top powerful pound boxers of the past five years.
Uh, you know in the ring he is dominant.
However, however, though, let’s be real, crawford’s dry personality and boring fighting style doesn’t make for exciting events.
You know so crawford is a name.
Only hardcore fight fans really know.
You know, despite crawford’s obvious flaws um as a box office, draw he’s blaming and suing bob arum over it being you know a racial thing when really it’s just not it’s it’s not a viable income.
It’S it’s! Not anything! That’S going to make a ton of dough because, let’s be real crawford, isn’t that exciting fighter that that a lot of people are looking for? It’S not the box office draw, and you know you just reminded me of, and then – and this is this is where this is, where the women who are boxing have a good strong foothold.
They have been trained how to talk.
They know how to talk they’re entertaining when they talk, they say great things, they say the right things, a fellow like terence crawford does not, and it makes and you and i have interviewed lots of boxers over the past year and a bit and some are really Well spoken, and some are not terence.
Crawford, sadly, is not well spoken and uh and and bob aaron not not it’s been, i guess to be defensive, but in his defense he’s saying uh, terence crawford isn’t exactly the most sharpest knife in the drawer um.
At the end of the day, maybe he is maybe he isn’t, but is he a good fighter? Yes, i think he’s 39-0, you know, yeah he’s got a great record he’s a great pound for pound fighter.
Is he a good draw? Maybe maybe if that fight had to happen between him and errol spence, will it happen now, i kind of doubt it.
I mean who’s going to touch terence crawford now, you’re right, you know like with with as abram, continues to make the racist and bigoted statements uh.
You know and purposely damaged this is this, is this is the stuff that that the crawford is saying is that the things that you’ve seen have purposely damaged the reputations of black boxers without any consequences? This is generally because the effective marketers who are in long-term contracts, with top rank, fear that, if they do say anything, they they’ll be placed on the sidelines and not given that opportunity to fight during uh their deal, which could be a five to seven year deal.
You know what was it like: crawford’s con uh crawford’s contract was uh.
You know two fights a year.
Uh i believe, was something like that and yep.
You know, but let’s be real as a promoter.
It’S a money, game yeah.
So would i send you to two fights a year if you, if you’re, not bringing in the money and you’re, not worth the promoting the fight, then you know what yeah you are gon na sit on the sideline? Well, no, no! No! That’S not how it would work, no i’ll give you i’ll give you two fights per the contract.
It’S like the music industry, if some guy, if that, if a band gets signed to five albums and they’re just doing crap they’re, not touring they’re, not speaking to the press, they’re not doing anything: okay, okay, we’ll honor the honor, the obligation of producing five albums for You but we’re not gon na promote them.
You know and there’s a big difference so in terms crawford’s world really uh bob aaron certainly could have given him two fights a year and i think the only time he didn’t it was during the last year during the pandemic.
When you know you know, [ __ ] was happening, so you know you know, i think, there’s one fight that was scheduled just didn’t happen and i think that was okay sure he might be owed some money because he wasn’t able to fight and then he’s saying I’M owed even more money because there aren’t going to be people in actual stands.
Therefore, i want that money now up front, but i’m saying wait a sec, that’s not how it works kid and these guys have had a 10-year relationship by the way.
So it’s not like these guys are new to the game um.
So i guess this has been boiling up, and now it’s boiled over, but all i’m saying is what is coming out in the media is bad for boxing yeah bottom line.
It is it’s bad! It’S bad for boxing um honestly and truthfully um.
You know terence crawford built a niche brand about fighting for his hometown where most of his fighters took place.
You know not exactly the fight capital of the world and you know abram adds that and he said that he’s lost 20 million promoting crawford and you know you know crawford 38, no.
29, kos, that’s that’s kind of hard to believe you know.
I don’t believe.
I don’t believe, though, that that crawford’s lawsuit is very strong, uh i’m i.
I can’t wait to see the outcome of this, but it’s not a good outcome for boxing.
I’M just going to leave it at that.
Okay, here’s! My last word: if i were a judge – and i was saying: okay – let’s have a look at some.
What the other boxers in the world make oh wow, this guy made three hundred thousand dollars and you, mr crawford made 4.
5 million on your last fight.
I’D say: you’re doing pretty well yeah and what i’ve been saying in my social media posts by the way is that if teres crawford is so upset, why doesn’t he just launch with all those millions he’s made? He’S admitted that he’s made because they’re in his lawsuit? I made 4.
5 million, that’s fight 4.
5 million in this fight, plus all my training, my living expenses were paid for by the way, i admit all that what the heck has the guy done.
So three three five, yes he’s missed one, so he’s owed 4.
5 million for sure.
So so he’s made roughly speaking, 15 million dollars cash.
Maybe the tax man takes a third of that he’s made 10 million bucks.
What’S he done bought a freaking mansion in malibu? What i what i’ve said in my social media, if terence crawford were so smart, he should, with that 10 million dollars, invest in a management company and become a promoter himself and go toe-to-toe against bob airman top rank.
If he’s that adamant, the top rank is such a badass company and they’re treating boxers unfairly uh, which i find hard to believe uh, because i’m pretty sure there are a lot of testimonials that are going to be put forward in bob aaron’s favor.
Despite what you may think of a 90 year old man, who’s tending to be my guest he’s got he’s got the backing.
The man is 90 years old he’s.
You know one of these he’s one of these guys in the game.
That’S you know, grandfathered.
In kind of thing he’s he’s there, he you know, there’s going to be a lot of people that are going to come to bat for this guy and honestly, there’s going to be a lot of testimony.
That’S going to come out that uh, that’s gon na hurt this case for crawford.
I i believe it and you know it’s this lawsuit.
I don’t see really going anywhere and the more the more crap that goes on with it.
It’S just the worse.
It’S doing foreign! I know i was kind of on my last comment, but this is a good conversation because i just had another thought: the forget his name, the fella, who was vice president over a golden boy.
When oscar de la hoya got a bit of financial trouble with his wife – and you know, his wife was pretty well going to take everything.
This fellow left golden boy and created pro bellum yeah pro bellum has proven that there’s an opportunity on a worldwide basis.
If you invest your money properly, you could not only sign a great roster of talent, but you can begin to establish strategic relationships with companies around the world to put on great fights and have those fights streamed.
So there’s lots of ways to make money.
There’S lots of opportunity in this boxing world for sure, and i think someone like terence crawford shouldn’t be crying about how much money he’s owed or whatever.
But let’s see where he’s invested his money.
Has he gone out and bought a rolex, a fancy car, a big house in malibu or he’s actually invested his money wisely on the sport of boxing that he loves so much.
I’M curious, i’m curious too.
I’M curious too.
You know what, at the end of the day, crawford if crawford, wasn’t happy and and saying that his contract wasn’t fulfilled, hey, listen, you didn’t get your two fights a year, so what you fought once a year, but it was a worldwide pandemic.
Like you know, if you weren’t happy, you should have as a champion as a champion wearing a belt, and somebody who you know is not the most lack.
You know who who likes luster in the in the in the department of you, know exciting fighter uh.
You should you should have quietly just left, i’m pretty sure one of these new promotional companies that have just popped up out of nowhere that are gaining huge ground would have definitely paid you.
The money you’re looking for you easily could have just walked away from top rank tipped.
Your hat said.
Thank you for this.
I wanted my contract, i’m going somewhere else shopped around.
You know what shopping around hey – hey, maybe you go maybe get picked up by mvp.
Maybe you you know, maybe you get picked up by mvp jake paul’s, looking assigned new people too, you know pro bellum could have picked him up uh.
You know, maybe maybe boxer boxer with two axes over in the uk.
Exactly boxer, you know, wasserman, there’s all these different promotional memories, exactly exactly selita samson.
You know, there’s all these new promotional companies that would easily love to sign.
Somebody like terence crawford that that’s a big name to add to your stable.
If you’re, one of these new companies absolutely take a look at uh and the name that comes to mind is sam kainak, doing great things out of, i believe out of glasgow, scotland put picking up boxes, left right and center, really good boxes, training them well put Them into good fights, you know, i’m sure someone like liked your point, i’m sure someone like that would love to have terence crawford.
Why? Because i’m i’m thinking and i’m just guessing that the the streaming rights for the sean porter fight were were were pretty good.
You know you you and i would be very happy to have that kind of money.
I’M sure.
Oh definitely, you know so i’m sure someone like you know whether it’s w wasserman, whether it’s boxer, whether it’s sam kai, knock all these all these new guys who are building the rosters.
I mean every day uh on the new and even you on knuckle up or announcing who’s being signed to who, as a matter of fact, your entire week has been about amateur boxers who have signed deals to go pro.
If i’m not mistaken, you know and that’s what your whole i mean, and i think you’re continuing that next week, so to say that there’s no opportunity in boxing is ridiculous and, and the reason these guys are getting signed is because they believe at the end of The day they believe they can make money, um there’s no easy way of getting around it: uh they’re, free agents.
Now and now that they’re signed they intend to make money.
Yeah, yes, very much.
Well even someone said: was it a real tattoo or was it? You know trying to get a super fight.
He would he would kill jake paul well i’ll, tell you who won’t, kill, jake paul and that’s that uh, oh, who who’s the mexican dude who daniel cesar chavez, yeah junior, yeah, [, Music ].
I sadly believe jake paul would knock him out.
Oh man and uh didn’t he say that if that’s going to happen, he’s going to retire, dude jk, paul yeah if he gets knocked out by your heels, or something like that, i heard somebody’s retired.
If somebody gets knocked out honestly, i i okay, i thought jake paul said this is for carl, because uh, you know.
I know he had doris jake paul yeah because he said to jake paul.
I know i know he’s got that picture hanging above hanging on the ceiling above his bed, so when he goes to sleep at night lays on his back.
He gets to look into his pretty eyes because jake paul is a handsome he’s.
A handsome fan jake paul is uh is carl’s.
You know: favorite boxer man, favorite box from the whole world, right, carl and and having fought no boxers whatsoever.
I thought that was jake.
Paul’S whole thing was that he said: hey man, i’m going after these mma guys.
Uh but again they’re not boxers, so um, you know i you know i would.
I don’t know who i’d pick.
I mean i guess tommy fury’s next, in line for jake paul that’d, be a shame.
Uh that’d be a shame.
I’M sure there are other more qualified boxers that you and i both like to see, go toe-to-toe against jake paul but uh.
The first bo, the first real boxer that jake paul faces, is going to knock him out in the meantime, though jake, unless, unless, unless uh jake paul does enough of these things to actually gain some sort of skill, i don’t know man, i don’t know honestly.
I don’t, i don’t think, he’s much of a boxer, but he does look better and better every time he gets in the ring.
I don’t know it’s it’s weird.
What i do like about what i give what i? Okay, i’m not a fan of his boxing at all.
I don’t believe he’s a boxer.
He had no amateur career he’s, never logged really any hours.
You know he’s doing this because of his brother.
What i give him props for is that he’s taken a woman like amanda serrano and he’s finally made her a millionaire made her worth worth what she’s worth, and i congratulate him for that, taking amanda, serrano and and making her a millionaire and and putting the money That that woman deserves in her pocket man.
Congratulations for that jake paul! For that i give you respect.
He won’t get any other respect for me adam! You won’t get any other respect out of me until i see him step in the ring with a real boxer, and then that’s that’s when i will give him the respect, but other than that no correct and we’re all looking forward to that moment.
No me me too man.
I just want to see him get knocked out.
That’S it, that’s that’s it, and i would i’d like to see uh to your to your point several shows ago about the actual production like i’d rather see a boxing show, as opposed to a concert intermittent uh, with the occasional bout thrown in between yes – and you Know what and you know what jake paul wanted to get away from that crap too, and that and that’s how he’s uh you know put that deal together with a showtime right, so yeah yeah, so good for good for him uh as a business, i mean, i Don’T like him ranting and raving either.
I don’t like guys who rant and rave for the cameras, regardless he’s the k, he’s the king of the trolls man without a doubt in this generation today.
You know this.
This whole youtube sensation generation he’s built he’s built his entire career, his following his 20 million followers, his 20 million dollars he’s built it all off of trolling, stupid people on the internet and and and and having these people and having these people literally, you know, fall Over this crap yeah, you know what it’s it’s, it’s your fault.
If you let him suck you in man and that’s what happens? You know he’s he’s good at getting he’s good at playing he’s a really good chess player.
His mental game is great.
He knows how to get in there and he knows how to get under your skin and get you thinking about him.
He knows how to get people talking about him and you know what, in this day and age, man any press is good breath.
No – and this is this – is why i hope that he takes it one step further and goes down the amanda serrano road, one step beyond that.
Let’S see who he signs next, let’s see who who picks up next and uh.
You know because he he knows how to play that game very well, and so, if he’s serious about not only his own boxing career, which we’re not, but i mean, if he is, then he needs to fight a real boxer.
That’S one thing, but then his mvp company uh, you know, needs to pick up someone else or several other people, and he means he needs to be.
He needs to be able to compete because i’m sure he hires like he does.
He is quite proud of the fact that he hires real trainers, uh real therapists, real doctors who make sure that he’s in tip-top shape for his fights, okay, and he is, he seems to be – he seems to be in pretty tip-top shape and, quite frankly, he he Did deliver one hell of a knockout punch? I got ta admit um.
Yes, you know, i mean you, you rarely see guys go face first in the canvas but uh he did it.
So you know he’s he’s trained well now anyway.
So my point is: is that there’s the boxer side of him, but then there’s the uh? Shall we say the corporate side of him and he knows how to manipulate those 20 million viewers – and you know, he’s done a great job of bringing let’s say 20 of those guys.
You know, if he’s bringing four million people over to to watch boxing, then let’s see a good boxing match and i think he can do it if he brings in more people like amanda serrano and he begins to build a really decent roster.
I think that’s where he can make an impact and that’s why i’m saying about terence crawford too: what’s he done with his millions because he just spent it frivolously on on on racing cars and the nice houses and women and whatever you know, let’s put his.
Let’S see if he puts his money where his mouth is.
That’S my point.
Yes um, you know i i’m looking at the comments here, man and it’s really funny uh uncle uncle phil here in last bell boxing.
You know carl uh carl reminds us.
Bob abram was a lawyer before promoter uh uncle phil does and does uh chime in here saying: abram did legal work for jfk crawford and big trouble.
Man may get countersued after this.
This is this.
The you know.
That’S that’s another! Well, that would be a defamation situation.
The problem is, is uh, aaron has said these things uh in public uh yeah, but you know what you know.
What he’s 90 man like you know we all get a little c.
No, all i’m saying is: it could be easily proven that he is racist.
So i don’t, i don’t think he’s going to lose, but i think i think he’ll fight this tooth and nail.
I don’t think he’s going to settle out of court.
I don’t think he’s that kind of guy, otherwise he wouldn’t be in the sport of boxing.
Would he uh he’s not going to leave in the hands of the judges, bellew yeah, bellew yeah? I love you carl you’re great brother.
Oh so anyways there you go yeah pretty well, nothing yeah yeah, but it was great.
It was great.
I had fun chatting about nothing.
I know our fans around the world definitely watching us today.
Love us chat about nothing man uh.
I want to give a shout out to uh.
You know to the fans that dropped all the comments.
Man uh, you know thank you uncle phil for all your kind words and comments, carl, you know what it is: man, much respect and love from your friends from your friends and fans here at uh talk and fight, yeah and uh yeah.
Graham, what would you like to say any last words, i’m gon na i’m gon na do a quick, little google search of this richard shaffer that was mentioned earlier, because i’m, oh yes, richard shaffer is a swiss professional, swish swiss professional boxing promoter.
He was a former ceo of golden boy promotions, which he left in 2015.
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Okay in 2016, he founded his own boxing promotional company ring star sports ring star, yes, richard shaffer, so i think i think pro bellum is the mover and shaker to watch, because not only they signing great boxers to the roster but they’re doing very strategic deals on A global level, so i mean you and i discussed this a year ago.
You know we we could take a camera and you know if it wasn’t for covet.
We could take a camera crew to ten name.
Ten countries in the world where there are no camera crews and then yeah and there’s lots of opportunity to live stream events and make tons of money, and i think that’s what pro bellum has in mind.
You know they can’t sign every single box, that’s available in the world, but they can do deals with other managers and other promoters set up fights broadcast those fights not only locally but stream them internationally and make a ton of money.
And i think that richard shaffer cat is pretty smart, because you know that’s what i’m saying, i believe uh that tears crawford, guys like that, should do with their money.
Um carl just brought up a great point: man, uh sereno taylor underway biggest purse ever really his first ever yeah yeah, it’s gon na be a big one.
Oh oh, i see i’m reading servant.
I see this thing: serrano versus taylor biggest purse ever biggest for the women you mean yeah yeah, i believe so.
Did you know how big it is uh? No, i haven’t.
I haven’t heard him yet this is, i knew it was gon na be a big one.
I knew i was gon na set records.
I don’t know what the purse is at yet uh carl.
Do you know? What do you know what the purse is? If you know what it is, please drop in the comments for us because there’s there’s a super good example of jake paul managing amanda’s round on eddie hearn, managing uh katie taylor.
So to the up and rising management talents out there going head to head and putting their their best on the line, uh paul linking him up with her and for surrounding.
Oh, that’s just what i said: yeah it’s gon na be massive and without doubt uh and i’m saying there should be more of that.
Oh yeah.
Oh definitely, i mean yeah, we’ll unclog the heavyweight division.
That’S what we started talking about and then then i want to see more of these women go at it.
I mean, as a matter of fact, hey.
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That’S that’s what we do here.
That’S what we do here, yeah! Absolutely! It’S gon na be a fun week.
Um the women are always very colorful and creative and uh fun to talk to uh, i got ta admit the uh.
The british boxing scene is uh, is fun to watch.
It’S entertaining uh, definitely from the tyson fury’s over here.
Uh to the women and there’s a variety of them over here, and i hope you get uh more women uh, like avril matthew, [, Laughter, ], that’s my challenge to mike gore to get my admiral matthew on the show.
Hey man hey as long as she can take enough time from you know sending on that beach.
Maybe we can get her in the studio right or or or shannon courtney? Hey.
You know what you know what i i can’t i can’t wait.
I can’t wait until until we have the ability to get uh some of these boxers flying in for some interviews, man cause.
I got something for you guys in the future.
I’M hoping that uh that that we can.
We can tattoo a boxer for free.
While we do an interview, because i’ve got i’ve, no i’m setting it up.
Man, i’ve set it up.
I’Ve already got a tattooist and a shop here in toronto, uh any fighter that wants to come on.
My show man get interviewed, get yourself a free tattoo, while you’re being interviewed.
I can set that up man, that’s pretty cool, that’s a great idea.
Yes, it is a great idea.
Uh shout out to psych inc at punk, ass piercings in toronto, uh, that’s uh! That’S who i will be working with when we do this man and you know, under these tattoos, you can get some real, real serious answers out of people.
I i know punk ass.
Yes, yes, so definitely i i’ve been working with that uh.
Hopefully, you know someday in the future when these, when these borders are opened up – and we can – you know finally fly around without any damn problems – um yeah man we’ll have the ability to have these uh have these interviews in our studio.
While we tattoo your ass, i i’ll i’ll leave with this comment.
Uh i saw a great little um.
What are these because it’s it’s pumped um they had someone on they did.
I don’t know who the channel was.
Who did this, but it was on show on youtube and it came up in someone’s comments, so i had a look at it and basically, in a nutshell, there was a fellow who owns a shoe store somewhere in manhattan and he basically said you know basically zab Jude is all washed up, and you know it’s absolutely can’t fight because it was concussion and uh anyway.
So anyway, these two guys said: okay, let’s you know there was literally strolling down fifth avenue or whatever and they say come on.
Let’S, let’s go with our camera and shake this guy up, so these two i’m talking pretty big, guys walk into the store and says yes: uh is john smith.
Here, oh that’d, be me and uh.
Didn’T you make some comments online about uh zab, judah yeah? I was like yeah that guy’s washed up man next thing you know judo actually walks in – and this is all on camera and zap dude is saying what’d.
You say about me: [ Laughter, ].
Let’S take this outside right now, right right now, let’s go right.
Let’S go right now is a bad man, you know and – and you see and you see and you see – and you see this little guy going – [ Music, ], yo.
Listen, you can’t talk, [ __ ] about zab judah, because, yes, he will walk up on you.
While you’re like in the grocery store holding your baby, you know what i mean like zaps, you don’t roll up on you in the grocery store.
Well you’re standing in line holding your newborn, and you know what he’s gon na have some words with you.
So you know be careful what you say about that man.
You know uh his.
If history uh has told us right and all these documentaries that we’ve watched uh, you know he’s he’s, got ties to that.
Be you know bmf man, they got a big series on right now and uh.
You know he’s got ties to the black mafia family, so i i i wouldn’t doubt that i wouldn’t do so.
I’M looking forward to the future where we can get uh boxes on the road coming to toronto, getting a tattoo while being uh neil.
The deal has offered to hop in an rv and literally go gym by jim by jim, by jim, across north america, down through mexico international we’re going to start that new show called you’ve got a box here.
Oh wow, good one for fans out there, there’s a show out there called you got ta eat here and it’s this fella who goes around the restaurants and he you know, do you know, do you know him for a chance? No, no he’s uh he’s not as good as guy fieri, but uh yeah.
It’S uh, it’s a good little show, but that’s a great idea.
You got a box here.
You got a box here anyway.
There we go, let’s wrap her up there, mike and uh say goodbye to our fans.
Tell the fans thanks for tuning in to all the uh fans that dropped us comments.
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