Friday Night Boxing Panel 65 | Weekly Episode | Talkin Fight
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Friday Night Boxing Panel 65 | Weekly Episode | Talkin Fight
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What up doctor fight fans thanks for tuning in to this wonderful episode of the friday night panel with yours, truly mike orr and cedric ben from the den and we’re joined by our friend, ray from between the ropes over in the uk? Also in witherspoon two-time heavyweight champ of the world and dean williams, special guest tonight, dean thanks for joining us tonight, man uh, thank you for taking the time out to come and talk unboxing man, you know you got ta say wait a minute.
You know you got ta, say dean, the road warriors.
You can’t leave that out.
You can’t leave that out there we go see you guys.
Definitely definitely uh dean.
Tell us a little bit.
Uh tell us a little bit about yourself, man and your background and uh who you are really for the fans out there yeah man.
Well, i mean i, i grew up in a small mining town in uh, martha tidwell, wales, south wales and um started boxing a a super young age at age.
You know i was uh just kind of lost kid getting picked on all the time at school.
Looking for some direction and my dad was in the in the in the british navy, so he was never kind of right there and um.
You know so i wandered into the boxing gym and man it it saved.
My life changed me took me places and and that i could only dream about like and uh.
You know experience so many things but yeah uh to grow as a young man and give me so much self-confidence.
Someone um, you know i was able to do many other things too.
You know when i came out of high school navy, served the british navy and uh.
Then i went on to live in australia.
I’M kind of jumping the gun a little bit.
You know giving you like a blueprint of who i am and the things i’ve i’ve been around and um.
You know live early for a couple of years and then uh planning and staying there, and then i met somebody that uh, you know believed in me from you know.
New york and uh believed that if i come here that i could you know, be a a contender, you know maybe a champ and uh.
So i i left uh fremantle wesley and i came to brooklyn new york lived in bay, ridge and um, and then i boxed out of gleeson’s uh hector.
Walker was my coach and i trained with a tour guide.
Every day he came down from canada and uh.
Just you know, we were like three two young guys i was like 20 toes like you know, we were two kids two already had fights and you know you had a couple of losses too.
I believe and um, but yeah uh joe gotti uh, was like the first guardian gleasons and you just uh.
I believe you see they’re going to support terry knights for the world super.
I think middleweight title and um.
I spot him and you know i was around those guys.
You know every day, but you know that i get the opportunity uh to to be a spam partner for right there, two-time champ, tim witherspoon was that a tour guide gleason’s.
It was a i trained with the tour every day.
I should spa ernest matthews.
You know that crew is like curtis summit, uh animal fighter, um and then ernest mctv m16.
Another like he had some.
Some things went on later in his life and i think he got well.
Not god bless him, but uh these guys poisoned junior jones uh that i was around every day where gleason someone uh everybody, everybody watch out where, where mitch is in there, like you know in the house, but but it’s just great times, you know, like i said You know to go to the the pokers are living in brooklyn and and james stonewell, who you know it’s a country that everybody called him.
No, no, oh, and you know he said to me uh, you know, you’ve got an opportunity to come up to camp to spa with two-time everybody chairman.
I only seen tim on tv when i was growing up in wales when he knocked out frank, bruno and uh.
I’M like wow, oh did he pause there? I guess he paused to get in the ring with you know so, yeah you know getting the first.
I believe that that was in, i think, right around there 199 spot the champ right there and then we’ve been we’ve been in.
You know best friends and, like you know ever since, like you know where it’s a true true boxing brotherhood, you know really is because everybody you meet in boxing, it’s a small world and everybody’s kind of connected.
If this guy knows this guy and that guy knows that guy – and it just comes around one big circle – you know so even across the pond – and everybody knows everybody.
So it’s definitely.
I got a quick question.
He’S a movie star now he’s a movie star.
I know dean dean.
I got a quick question here i got.
I got my other laptop set up with uh with some of your highlights here.
Maybe tim can speak on this too, because i have this highlight of of you.
Um, fighting dean williams in philadelphia and and tim witherspoon was in your corner was that the fight the exhibition, the exhibition? No, no, no you’re talking about us to do an exhibition.
I think like on my channel.
I know he’s talking about you fighting it’s on.
It’S on your youtube channel right, tim uh tim worked, my corner tim trained me.
I wasn’t just one of his partners, but you know when, when uh the champ was coming, you know towards the end of his career.
You know i was actually one of his first court: okay, uh.
Oh, what was that i was one of his first guys that he trained you know you know and uh, but yeah you know to to have that kind of knowledge.
Uh, you know experience his knowledge.
Yeah, absolutely yes, it was yep.
Yep tell us about the the movie star part.
That’S what i wanted.
That’S right, because i really never.
How did you get lester stallone? How did you become on creed too? How did all that happen? Oh did i break the did.
I break oh that’s his stuff like i’ll.
Tell you it’s crazy because you know.
Did i get or anything like that? I was actually training a fighter in atlanta and uh, but the wife and i tanya.
We want to get a bite, sweet and um.
Lord yeah, that’s probably causing that interference.
Yeah yeah he’s up he’s up in the mountains.
I i went.
You never know.
You’Re talking to lee rodriguez, uh he’s like an actor in atlanta.
He done a lot of you know was in the ward, the show house.
So just a whole bunch of stuff, and we we you know, we uh came real friendly added each other on social media and whatnot and uh, and next thing you know like years later.
You know he sends me a message and he’s like yo yeah.
You know uh, like i think you should hear the movie like you know, they’re doing the cree two long story.
Short next thing.
You know i’m on set with sylvester stallone, uh, duffle engram, michael b, jordan and uh.
You know it was like surreal, like eight years old and the reason why i started boxing was what inspired me was was rock he.
You know a lot of people say: oh what fighter inspired you and the real rocky right there tim’s a real rocky around the italian market.
My mom used to take me there every weekend used to go to rocky steps.
I did the same thing and only lived 10 minutes from where they made the movie.
That’S something good go ahead! Champ, good, good dean! Go ahead! Oh he’s not on there.
Oh, he paused [ __, ] yeah, but that’s and then here and the two-time every chant from philly to terrible timber spoon.
But he made the movie and did the same thing we did.
My mom should take me to the market we used to buy food every other weekend at the same market.
He made the movie on and then bam the real, the real two time.
Every champ was right here: yeah, hey can you i was always trying to get him to try to do something like connected better okay, i was trying.
I was trying to get hints and people to say: hey won’t.
You talk, try to get me inside and make a couple of quid.
You know you know and and um go ahead dean dean.
Can you hear us just going in the gym a better connection? All of us are doing all right and dean.
There messing around you know it’s the price: to pay to live nice, perfect, perfect, all right, so so all uh.
So there i am like you know, uh growing up in wales, watching the rocky movie and next you know i’m on set.
You know talking to my idol sylvester stallone, so you know what dreams do come true, if you truly believe in yourself and you just keep going, you know and that’s that’s where the boxing took me took me all the way to my aisle to meet him and Then my other idol right there, the champion in the ring with him, i’m watching him knock off frank bruno and now i’m in the ring spawning myself like you, know so dreams.
I know they come true man, that’s right! I never thought i was going to go this far and i appreciate every minute every second that you know you you you’re doing good too everybody and heavyweight champion world wow, that’s cool! That’S cool! Never through it! No! No wait! That’S really cool, though, and – and i was i was playing football – you know american football, but go ahead.
Dean finish it up.
I would like to hear with my man ray.
I know he got something to say: yeah yeah i’ve been there yeah fifteen.
I didn’t get to see too many we’re gon na get back to um to uh dean too right.
Oh definitely, yeah yeah! I’M sorry! Right! Honestly! Honestly, i want to i want to touch on the fights that’s happening this weekend, real, quick and and get everybody’s opinion on.
What’S going to go up, i want [ Music ].
Obviously, in the uk it’s a it’s a very, very big car.
That’S coming on um from tomorrow night, amir khan, uh kel brooke that card’s going to be that’s going to be electric uh.
It’S offering um 12 in manchester in england, um! It’S it’s on uh! On the uk.
It’S on on sky um! I’M not too sure what what’s going to be over for you guys, maybe on espn espn plus yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, because we’ve got a bit of a deal going on, haven’t there, but that’s that’s going to be um.
That’S captivated the whole uk um.
You know, as dean dean will tell you from back home, so um we’re really looking forward to that card.
I talked to him today.
He called me and i talked about the show.
When is he going to come on? He said he said, you know he just got finished fighting and he won too, but he asked me yeah.
Yes, he asked me um.
He asked me about um about that, and i said i believe if, if uh american defense was tight, kyle brooks should be in trouble because amir khan is quick carol brooks is strong and buff.
Yeah americana is like a quick sharper boxer than him, but mount cab that kell brooks hit him he’s going.
But but american is quick, he put his combinations together.
He just lacked that defense.
That’S he got caught on a chin from you know.
You keep catching him on his chin, but if he could get rid of that he would he would still he will be chained.
That’S my opinion yeah.
She quick, i like the way big and he could punch, but he can’t take it here.
Yeah can’t take it here.
I just think at this point at this point in the kell books career.
I don’t think he he has the uh the timing or the quickness to land that punch, which is why this, which is why i’m going well? Okay, amir khan.
Okay, my decision, my prediction scorecard – is 116 112.
and he laid off a long time too right did he lay off a long time yeah for a number of years um.
You know his last fight was against billy dibb uh over in over in dubai um.
Okay, i i think you know cedric’s got a point uh, you know we all know, timing beat speed, but – and that was one of kell brook’s key attributes, but does he have that timing left, in my opinion, he’s too short warned against crawford um brooke was taken Apart and the the punch that crawford um was was a job which two or three years prior to that, wouldn’t have trouble kell brook.
I think the problem is he’s carrying a lot of damage from the golovkin loss from the errol spence loss, the damage to the eyes – and i think that’s affected him much later on in his career.
Then you’ve also got a problem with the weight as well.
If he’s taking too much, if he’s um killing himself to make the weight believe he did, although do we look okay on this, he did look quite important to me and i think, like play a factor in the fight as well.
We’Ll just have to wait and see right right, honestly, um yeah yeah.
I i yeah, i just see sometimes too long.
Like the you know, you could last longer there’s some things that when boxers, when they they box and – and you know, they’d be doing well but then when they get to a certain level, they get exposed and it’s just a matter of education.
So i know you have your opinion about certain things and everybody got one and and the thing the thing is too, is that um it could be some more things that he did uh amir khan.
You know black and punches and and brooks you say he might be still the whole way, but if somebody show him you know if they show him a little bit more, even though he was successful, he still gon na learn stuff that can help you get over.
So yeah so yeah, that’s what’s lacking around a lot of these different fights.
If they would have did this, if they could have did that, you know, but it’s already going.
You know what i’m saying: the fight already happened, um, but if they would get these certain things told them certain skills and stuff they could have it could have you know they could avoid certain things.
So this is the outcome.
Is that that’s true virtual hunt? I always used to say the problem amir khan is: he was never in the gym, maybe fights he was always gallivanting seriously.
Whatever he was yeah yeah.
For me it could have been virgil, hunter’s problem too honest honestly, you know, could have been his problem.
Khan’S been in the spotlight, though, since the 2004 summer olympics in athens when he took home that silver at 17.
You know as as that prodigy and then, as he turned pro he’s, you know kind of never really fallen out of falling out of the spotlight.
So you know that can that can really really affect your ability to get your ass in the gym and train man.
To be honest, let me go back to what he just said: um, what what did you just said about um virgil hunter? So when lamia khan was trained by virgil hunter um, virgil hunter was asked about the flaws of amir khan, because he’d been trained by quite a few people.
He’D be trained by oliver harrison he’d been trained by um ishmael salas uh, freddie roach.
Who are these? Who these guys dane? Who are these guys um? He trained uh a lot of a lot of guys out he’s um he’s florida gym.
You remember david here, yeah yeah, i’m sure he’s got gyms in florida or somewhere um, okay and um yeah oliver harrison’s a uk was a uk based trainer he’s no longer with us.
Um rest in peace.
But but the point is that virgil hunter was asked.
Why does amir khan have all these flaws and what virgil hunter was saying is he’s fine when he’s in the gym, when he’s got, when he’s got a fight he’s in the gym, there’s no problem, the problem with amir khan is when he hasn’t got a fight.
Lined up he’s not he’s anywhere, but the gym he’s he’s he’s in england right there right right there that’s! The thing like i tell all the young fighters is about what you do in between the time and training is more important than what you do in the gym.
So it’s like you know what i mean you can’t go out and be that guy and then be this guy.
Who are you you know what i’m saying? Are you going to get found out in the square circle they’re going to find out this discipline yeah? But that’s true, but but uh motivationally so far, discipline is what you need to be successful, a lot of times a lot of times if that guy yeah.
But what he’s doing what is he doing a lot of time? Real quick um that the skills play is a big part because he’s got all of us talking about what it could have should have you know what i’m saying and um um amir khan got a lot of skills, um virgil hunter said: is that an excuse or Is it the truth? I mean he said that that american don’t spend enough time.
He lost the fight with um um virgil hunter was was trainer right, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, so he gon na put it on the fighter.
I’M not saying it’s not true um.
I think that um he had the skills as long as he get in shape, even though taking off period of times is not good.
That’S not really dedicating to boxing and i’m gon na.
I’M gon na understand that, but he could make up for it if he had if he had his skills and stuff.
You know the skills properly um he’d get in get in shape and go ahead.
So version hunter said that um, i don’t know he’s – maybe he’s seen american doing stuff that he’s supposed to do when he’s training for fights might be partying too hard.
Yeah yeah, you know uh, so i i don’t know i do know, but you know thank you, but we was all talking about the um, getting the jobs with these heavyweights and everything and all that and and um.
You know they got people right in front of their face.
That could really take them to the top and save their career and stuff, and they don’t reach out on one of them and we talked about it.
Dean um like they keep going over to the west coast when there’s a lot of good trainers on the east coast, they’re going to the cello brothers, because the sherlock brothers are are successful, but but that’s not helping the situation.
Now they successful you know and – and we guys we went through this before talking about those guys um, we talked about freddie roach and all that so so boxing to me is really is, is kind of it’s good, but it’s bad in terms of training and trying To get the right fighters and skills to get noticed by the masters of the people, to say: oh, that guy can really fight.
If you understand what i’m saying you know and and um um and you got guys that’s hanging around like us like me, we’re trying to, i know i can get the job done and they don’t even reach out.
You know they don’t even reach out so um carol brooks i seen him fight.
I was in his presence when i was in england uh.
We had, he was cool, he’s kind of cool and calm and i was with american and i think they both have good talent, but i think the defense who got hit they got hit and went down.
That was amir khan, so he the one got to face.
The facts, um and so did then brooks um.
Did he get put down yeah he’s damaged, he damages he’s damaged something yeah both of his eyes.
So if they can learn if they can get this area, but if they can learn just a couple more tricks and trades that might help them get through certain things too, just a little bit more, but so they won’t have to go through telling people this telling People that so now we have to who’s going to win this fight and um at first i was like man.
I was always saying that mayor khan, because he quit as long as somebody tell him to keep his hands tight and defense when he catch the punch fire back.
You know fight like that that quick hand and keep his defense and that that’ll save him.
But if he don’t you’re gon na get hit on that chin, he gon na go and brooks could win.
So you said you think brooke’s gon na win right.
Do you think he’s gon na win, carl, you think scott’s gon na win.
I think that’s what i said.
That’S what i was saying somebody else on the last podcast.
I hope he kept his hands up, or else she get knocked out hey.
I love both of them and he better keep his hands up.
Honestly, honestly, um i’m excited to see some of the other fights on the card um.
One of them is the charlie schofield and jermaine brown for the british uh super middle title.
That should be a good one.
Yeah, charlie charlie score feels um starting to make some a little bit of noise.
He started slowly creeping in the rankings, so this should be an interesting fight.
He’S got a big audience, a big platform um.
So, let’s see, let’s see what you can do on the undercard yeah, the fact that interests me on the unicode’s got ta be natasha.
Jonas, oh yeah, she’s, going for a world title uh! A third attempt um.
The problem for me is she’s a she’s at her best at 130, one three, five she’s february, lightweight um, but she’s fighting that uh um super welterweight super wide yeah.
So one one five four.
So it’s a big! It’S a big jump in the weight classes um, but natasha jones in my opinion, has been unlucky.
She uh she should have won against terry harper.
She should have been given that decision jones, stepping up three weights um, so yeah.
In my opinion, my opinion.
This is this, is this is uh.
This is her.
This is her uh, just it’s all set up for natasha jonas to win this beautifully jones right.
They said that her she’s stepping up three weights is that is that yeah she is she’s.
Okay, she’s stepping up really she’s stepping up from um she’s stepping up from 130 super favorite weight.
Okay, so you know it’s a bit of a shame because um for me uh, she should be.
The super favorite champion of the world, in my opinion, should be terry harper who, as you remember, lost to um lost to alicia by bungana uh when she stopped on her feet in that um, devastating devastating um, yeah natasha jonas she’s um, as dean will tell you She’S our miss uh, miss jb, um she’s, a great fighter.
She really is uh and she she was very unlucky in there, two defeats um or two of the three defeats that she’s had um but yeah.
I expect her to to pull it off whether she stops a girl, i’m not too sure um if she can carry a power up all those weight classes.
Yeah i’ll, be very, very impressed.
Me too me too also on that card.
Um, honestly, there’s a bunch of uh.
You know up and coming prospects that you know the world’s been talking about over the last year, and this year we got bradley reyes in action, vidal riley, isn’t it yeah right? We got the azim brothers here in action uh.
We got nadeem ibrahim, nadeem is in action, abdul khan is in action and all these guys are uh.
You know they’re all pros that who’s that shirt you represent their channel.
Look! Okay! Okay! That’S my that’s! My second home! That’S my second home the uk.
I love it.
I got a grandson in bernsley, nice, nice thanks yeah, that’s my second home man.
No well def.
Definitely, definitely a big card man uh this this uh, amir khan, kell brook big card.
No one of the fans told me talk to me about the [ __ ] talk to me about the show they sent the message: yeah they did.
They did they’re loving it nice to see tim wearing three lions on his shirt with pride.
I got other shirts too, also also another card man.
I want to talk about uh, you know, uh, we’ll get it out of the way is the mongia and ballard card man monkey.
Yes, kid man, 38-0 30 kos he’s making his homecoming when he faces.
You know undefeated contender, demetrius, big beach, ballard who’s 21-0, with 13 ko’s in a 12-round fight, and this one is for the wbo intercontinental middleweight title man uh.
This was uh.
They were, they were slated to fight each other in 2021, but the fight was postponed due to an injury that ballard sustained during training camp uh.
Now that they’ve rescheduled the fight um, you know this is a winner takes all event and uh.
It’S gon na be great man down in tijuana mexico uh, and i can’t wait for this one.
It’S gon na be a good one as well.
Yeah monkey is uh very highly rated.
Isn’T he uh yeah he’s very big win against rosado um? He beat one of our boys, liam smith, yeah um yeah.
He beat him not so long ago, so people are expecting a lot from munguia.
I think he’s been um he’s been pushed in the right direction and he’ll probably have one eye and, depending on what golovkin does he’s probably going to have one eye on the winner of golovkin and morata yeah and someone somewhere down in in the future uh.
If not, the wbo belts become vacant with um demetrius andrade moving up to uh 168 pounds, so he’s got one eye on that as well.
Yeah, i’m looking forward to seeing william zip zip around that card as well yeah because he just got added to that card.
A little while ago, right, yeah there’s a lot of noise upon him.
There’S a lot of noise about him.
I’Ve seen him before they talking about all the fights we got to keep we got to get on board man.
We got to get you put that information out.
That’S beautiful! You know, okay, go ahead, yeah williams and peter yes, loving this kid man uh.
You know he’s 24-0 right now.
What’S watching right now, uh he’s only 25 years old.
I love it.
Man he’s he’s five.
Nine he’s he’s got only a 69 and a half thing to reach, but he knows what he’s doing man in that ring.
He’S he’s got a great great heavy hands.
Uh he’s making a lot of stink.
Man uh, you know, he’s big.
I love how he got added to this card late too man i was.
I was surprised that he got added to it, but you know what it’s just gon na make for a wicked night of boxing man, because you know young mangia and then zepeda on the same card is huge because both yeah yeah – and i think i do things – Appear that will go places if he’s matched properly um you know, did they really tip him to do big things and i’ve seen a little bit um? I know you’re explaining his reach, he’s only about 69 inches or something but um.
He doesn’t really his fighting style.
Doesn’T really lend to that um? You know he.
He he’s more of an inside fighter um, but we’ll we’ll have to see how it goes.
But this this will be it’s a big audience to one of mexico.
It’S nice to get a a good, big fight there and there’s a big fight down there.
So yeah, i’m i’m looking forward.
I’Ve got him.
I’Ve got astrix next to his name.
I’M looking forward to seeing him before.
Oh yeah, yeah he’s.
You know what he never ceases to amaze me.
Every time he comes out, man he’s uh.
He makes good.
You know great work of his uh opponent, real fast man yeah, you know he’s he’s he he’s the real deal.
Man is what up thing you know like and to see to see him coming out of mexico like that uh and – and you know what he’s he’s a big guy man he’s he’s lightweight right.
So, like yeah yeah he’s he’s physically he’s he’s thick set.
If that makes sense, he’s just stuck he’s a stocky stocky um stocky stucky guy, so he doesn’t really lend himself to being on the outside using his job.
That kind of stuff he’s a different style um, but you know he is his style.
He switches attributes.
If that makes sense, yes, yes, definitely.
Yes, definitely! Oh man super excited for those cards.
In action tonight uh there was uh jamie ortiz versus albright.
If you guys know any of those what’s happening tonight.
Yeah that’s happening tonight, uh, we’ll catch that on usa, showtime for all the people out there that uh want to check that out a bunch of bunch of up-and-comers man.
The whole thing is uh is is filled with.
You know: new prospects, man uh derek jackson’s.
On this card, uh norman neely’s on this card – jeremy adorno uh – i’ve talked about these guys.
On my show.
We got uh paul crowles on there as well.
You know no big names, but always you know those kind of cards make for great knockouts man and uh great boxing love that kind of [ __ ] to be honest: [, Music, ], but yeah um, honestly, dean dean, no one else, this movie stuff man, i Wan na i wan na i wan na i wan na i wan na put you in the hot seat here uh any plans on doing any more movies.
Ah yeah yeah yeah.
You know, but i mean it’s nothing.
I could really talk about, but yeah yeah there’s.
Definitely more plans to do other, other movies and whatnot.
You know it’s just uh right now.
It’S just it’s an exciting time.
Like you know, so i mean going meeting, sylvester, stallone and uh him coming.
You know on set – and we talked like you know like i felt like i knew him forever.
Actually he knows how to free the fighter and uh he’s super respectful and uh.
You know it was just um we’re talking about my hometown rutherfordville.
You know, like i know how it went’s going.
I heard about johnny owens, you know, uh, you know great fighters, eddie thomas someone know where i come from and uh come from uh.
You know a real cut from a tough cloth of uh.
You know, fighters for like mercedville, you know, look it up on youtube.
It’S not too pleasant.
Some of the stuff you find you know it’s just like.
Well, not no.
Nobody really makes it out there.
Very few people make it out of there and uh.
You know it was all god’s plan for me.
You know i wasn’t really close to my family.
Like you know my you know, ma’am no didn’t really want to know me and whatnot.
So it’s like at the whimper boxing, it kind of you know, took me to uh, like i said, places most people dream about.
You know working with stallone working with dolph lindgren and one of michael b jordan up and coming.
You know throwing sticking and jabs in my belly every day when i’m getting upset, you know just having a good time and whatnot but uh, but yeah if it weren’t for boxing.
You know, god knows what i would be, but, like you know, to get out of the town that i grew up in like there’s really not opportunity, and you know the people like uh, it’s just a it’s a street fighter mentality.
You know my dad was always saying to me: if i don’t get out of here, he said you’re gon na end up killing somebody, you know getting into a frequent street.
Fighting was like a way of life.
Like you know, you fight over a park in space, so you know my man would call me to the door like if she had a problem with somebody and it was like you know, that’s just the way.
That’S the way it was like.
You know yeah just crazy, but you know i look at his head.
I’M glad that, like yeah, that was a you know, big kiss.
That was the thing like you know they have different, they call it glasgow kiss.
You know liverpool.
My dad taught me that you, you could headbutt some money.
Oh yeah, my dad taught me that early man look at the good old headphones know i’ll, take a concussion to put you to sleep i’ll.
Just put it like that, you know, but that’s the way it was.
You know like you know, but uh, but yeah so to to uh, if it weren’t for boxing.
So but you know, i’ve been boxing that a boxing now 42 years, i’m gon na be 50 on sunday and i started back in 1980 wow.
You know so it’s like um.
You know i never quit like you know.
I didn’t just do boxing.
I’Ve done other things in my life too, you know and uh yeah.
You know it’s a like a bodyguard and uh, like you know, serving in the british navy i was in.
I should in the army over here and um.
You know after september 11th, you know just just things that it was all god’s plan.
You know like um, i i have a fighter’s mentality and, like you know, i lived in this country of like no family or you know wasn’t nobody held me.
Nobody could never.
No hand out no nothing, it was like.
I had figured it out.
You know my wife and i the real adrian, you know for one god put us together.
She had no family too, you know so we met.
I was trying to atlantic’s lyricism camp in the poconos and um 1997 and i got a spa with thomas the hitman hands.
You know manny stewart brought tommy down and he was getting ready for his last title: fight with nate miller and um.
You know from philadelphia.
You know uh tommy hearns and lance lewis and uh prince lucie, mohammed um.
You know paul ingle, you know all these uh great fighters uh.
You know across our arms around uh, frank, frank maloney.
You know, i don’t know what to call him these days.
But that’s you know whatever makes him happy at the end of the day, but uh yeah yeah.
You know and that’s how i got to meet my wife like you know, and it was right in the beginning.
You know of me turning professional um.
You know, larry holmes has found homes and uh like i trained with larry, allah and uh.
You know it’s kind of crazy really because i got to you know be a spam partner, for you know, i believe, the two of the best heavyweights.
You know uh tim witherspoon, two-time, champ and uh also spam partner from muhammad ali, and i was also a spam partner for larry holmes.
You know spawn pound for muhammad ali, so yeah, you know, there’s the knowledge that i was getting around these guys watching them train and just uh.
You know learning class, you know a jab, i mean it was it was.
It was fantastic, but it was.
It was uh, it was, it was different.
I’Ve got the more jackhammer, you know european style, he would do with the army uh almost daily.
You know language told me how to throw the jab properly or he’d come with spa get out the ring, and you know what he’s not he’s.
I heard he’s doing a little bit of training or not, but he’s not like with the coach he’s just just showing you know the the jab and on the back, and you know loosen loosen me up, i want now and then you got, you know two times Everywhere, champ right here, timing is going to show me how to throw the right hand you know, so he bettered my right hand.
I felt getting better than a lot of things.
You trained me with overhand, but you you liked my straight light.
So the way you are as a coach, you went with the the things that work like you know, that’s what you’re you’re really good with the coaching, because you you just when you just try to add more stuff and improve my defense a lot.
You have me moving my head, a lot like and and what now let me respond with you seth mack and uh, and you know real, quick, real, quick and you can take it back and if they, if these boxes, learn the a like go in this direction.
Abc when you go to learn, don’t jump to f, i mean you know, and you know, oh all, the rest of them right.
You got to start with the education, the first basic things first and when they finish fighting yeah, when they finish fighting, they could be able to get up.
They can be able to train people better because they know the basics.
So a lot of people start doing.
Mayweather stuff, first, and not knowing about the other stuff, real quick.
What i’m trying to say is is that they could be teachers when they retire if they start, if they, if they train to teach them basics first, instead of jumping to floyd, mayweather stuff and all those others all this crazy stuff and don’t know how to do This or block a shot yeah so yeah.
So no, no, i’m just saying um.
If boxes learn basic stuff, when they retire, they’ll be able to good trainers, but there’s a lot of guys and a lot of people being fooled, because this guy’s successful right, and so they send their boxes to him.
Not knowing that he’s successful.
But he probably can’t teach guys as good as the guy that learned his abcs right natural stuff.
You still got to know some basic stuff blocking with the hands and natural stuff like this.
That’S natural yeah.
So do you think it’s a difference than between somebody who’s like a a boxing trainer and a boxing teacher, because you get a lot of fantastic yeah, yeah, yeah yeah? This is really good with the pads yeah, but they’re, not the fundamentals.
You know what i mean.
Well, well, let me say real quick about the pads.
Let me tell you real quick people will be doing repetitious stuff and it looks good, but they really don’t.
They really can’t take that boxer and do the proper stuff.
So you see, i even see girls doing this, but it don’t mean nothing.
They just getting exercised, they’re, not learning nothing but there’s.
Sometimes when you’re hitting the badge you got, ta do education with it now mayweather that stuff is for fun.
I don’t see no kind of education in that all this stuff, but when you sit down and go right here, boom bop boom slip right, hander, defense incorporated and with the offense.
Then you could say whoa man.
It looks like he’s learning something, but people get fooled because they see him doing this yeah and there’s nothing.
There’S nothing, then all the fighters that go with him because they see all this they’re getting fooled.
Do you see them saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they’re, getting fooled so yeah there’s a lot of marriages.
The thing about boxing: it’s like psychology, you know uh, like you know, it’s mental, like you know, believing in yourself or whatnot, and at the end of the day, you’re gon na get in that square circle and um.
You know you have to truly believe in yourself.
If you have any doubt it’s contagious, you know, if you it’s just you, you can’t have any doubt you could have every confidence in the guy.
That’S taught you it’s in your corner and why not made a lot of things easy? He made a lot of things.
Easy for me, i relaxed once he started training me i started.
Are you dean? Are you currently training any kids that we need to be looking out for absolutely absolutely i i got one kid uh he’s uh from peru.
I mean the kids like he’s like my own kid actually and uh yeah the champ.
I met him uh, carlos and uh.
You know we’re gon na be going we’re gon na be going into the pennsylvania golden globes and uh.
You know i don’t going tournaments just to go in tournaments, i’m going to win it.
You know what i’m saying so we go in there we’re going in to win it.
You know what i’m saying so, but we’re ready uh this kid, though you know it’s like.
I mentored him uh, like my protege and uh, you know meet him mentally grow as a young man get stronger.
I i don’t put guys in fights quicker.
I i groom him.
I i teach him about the sport teach him about you know, so they they understand.
What they’re getting involved in you know and uh they put themselves there.
So you put, i tell them when i’m wrapping my hands, you know the night of the fight.
I’M like you know what you put yourself here tonight.
Nobody making it to this.
You know you’re you’re ready, you know you you, you might as well go out and give it 110 percent, but don’t look yourself up and say i could have should have, would have you just got to do it.
So you know what, but from my life experience and everything i’ve done in my life, you know, you know the military and whatnot you just got ta be assertive and uh.
You can’t wait too long that the guy kind of you know, especially in the image of boxing.
You know you got ta, go out there and you got ta impress you’ve got to win every round.
You can’t you know this cool stuff in amateur boxing.
Don’T go downstairs when it’s amateurs it’s going to be busy absolutely busy aggressive.
I mean i, i was welsh national champion of 14 years old.
You know, i bang you out, you know i go out there.
I i was like a rooster and my coach would be like you know, but i i i knew the bell would go and i’m coming, you know with the small gloves on you have no headgear and i’m coming at you with, like professional fights.
I put some on my youtube.
You know to check it out.
Dean williams, welsh world warrior ray.
Did you ever fight? I yeah.
I had um lots of times training in in gyms.
When i was younger, i never you know, i never got any amateur fights or anything like that.
That’S one of my big big regrets as a as a kid um.
I can’t really complain like you know, to to go from nothing from from my own family.
You know not wanting to know me or believe in me to go to where i’ve been to be in the ring, with the two-time everywhere champion with the school of life homes.
You know tommy hearns, superman, davis, uh, sarah manby, who writes far daily down down uh lowry’s.
You know the list goes on.
You know the amount of fighters that i that i’ve been in there with and um.
You know, but i i i i thank god.
Every day i can still articulate i i speak well, considering i’ve done done so many fights and so much faster than your experiences as well yeah, a passion on all my knowledge and everything i’ve done like you know my life experiences and i think that’s what helps Me as a coach has been in the service and living in different countries.
You know i lived in australia, you know i lived in brooklyn new york, you know i’ve lived all over the place, lived in florida um, you know just everywhere and uh.
I think those you know having to to figure out things on my own and whatnot.
A lot of you know i’m a hard coach like you know, a lot of guys they come around, they feel like they can’t live up to my expectation, but if they truly truly believe in themselves, they truly want to be something you know, and they want to See if you’re going to stay the same, you know adversity and tough experiences will change you and change you for the better.
You know make you grow, especially these youngsters, like you, know, make you go into yourself and whatnot and give yourself confidence.
You know, like confidence, don’t work, it’s like a muscle.
Confidence like it’s like a muscle.
If you don’t use it, it ain’t gon na work for you.
So it’s like you’ve got to be confident and whatnot and carry yourself not.
You know humbly like we’re also fighters where we’re humble and one after being in the ring and whatnot but um, but yeah yeah.
You know my uh.
If i i would say if i can come from nothing, pretty much come to this country with nothing but no hope for nothing, just a bag of clothes to sit, and i and i you know i own my house, like i got a successful relationship for 25 Years to be married with my wife, you know uh and i’m blessed, and i got my little.
We had no kids but my kid chelsea, my my australian, bulldog and yeah.
You know she.
I love her to death.
Like you know, i live my life for her and uh.
You know you’re blessed blessed man, i’m blessed, you know i’m just thankful for every day to be alive.
You know i’m gon na try to i’m gon na try to get that there’s the heavyweight his name is um franklin, something i forgot his last name uh.
I was negotiating with his uh real quick.
I was negotiating with his uh manager and stuff earlier about all the terms and stuff we’re gon na do he’s 3-0 with one knockout um he’s a dark-skinned brother, that’s from he’s from um he’s from over there.
So i’ve been talking so i might be coming over ray, i might be coming over in like four or five months, so he’s 3-0 with one knockout.
I have a video of him.
I’Ve been i’ve, been checking this stuff out and i see what he needs.
So it’s up to him once they get in that ring.
It’S not our problem once you step in so um, so look at i’ve got his last name, but it’s franklin something he’s like six foot, three, six, four um and um he’s he’s three wins with just one knockout.
So, okay, you know tell mike and keep me posted and when you’re over okay then come and say: hi.
Okay, you real good man, hey ray you’re, pretty good.
I like it yeah.
I come over and say hello, yeah yeah, no problem.
Well, just like he got everything on on, he must’ve got the paper they’re reading it, but you be giving all the fights and stuff, but he do the same thing.
Y’All do the same thing.
That’S awesome! Yeah! You got your own show right, yeah, yeah, that’s right! Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
That’S that’s between the ropes tv, that’s the one tv yeah yeah tv! Well, it’s not a tv tv.
You know what i mean.
We just call it between the ropes tv but yeah.
Okay, yeah yeah, give us a check out.
You know give us a check out very similar up to what mike’s got here.
Um we will preview fights, we’ll review fights, get some fighters on to interview um, you know and and discuss up uncommon fights, um big issues in boxing yeah.
It’S really good.
It’S you know boxing it pretty much like what the insane like, although i’ve not had the experiences dean and tim you’ve had in the ring boxing for me, it’ll.
Allow me, when i went into a gym, to meet friends, get confident um learning discipline in a way of life.
Um yeah, i didn’t get to compete, but i still learned quite a lot of other things and that for me i enjoy it.
There’S nothing better than talking about boxing.
You know i could be on here for another two or three more hours, but mike won’t.
Let me um, you know it’s just just the way it is, i think as well.
It helps for me when i was growing up.
My parents were into it um.
My parents would make me sit down.
You know i watched a bruno fight.
You know tim.
I saw your fight with uh, you know frank bruno years later, um i would see the likes of tyson growing up and lennox lewis um.
You know growing up um and that’s how i became a big amia khan fan and watched a lot of the olympics um, because a lot of my friends were in in the amateurs um.
So you know amateur boxing was it was the the the pinnacle of that was the olympics.
I watched a lot of that so yeah um i’ve got a real passion for boxing um.
So for me this this is you know just i absolutely you know.
I love it yeah yo, honestly, awesome yeah, that’s a great story and, speaking of not letting you be on here for three more hours, we have come to this time.
Uh we’re gon na wrap it up.
Man uh we’ve been on for that hour.
We did good, we did we did we did.
We did sorry, i messed up at the beginning, with the with the wi-fi and everything like.
If i know it was going to be like that, it’s all good.
If we missed anything the next time, you come back, we’ll just get you to retell.
No doubt yeah yeah dean, please uh for all of us who’s out.
There uh shout out your gym and where people can uh connect with you on social media and everything, so they can follow you.
You know please uh, like i just started, my youtube channel is like i’m, not it’s not about that.
I’M just putting up the stuff like you know my you know some experiences, my life, knowledge and whatnot and some of the you know knowledge of being in the ring with with tim and larry and and tommy and whatnot, and i shared that with people.
You know um, but i just started a little over a month ago, so it’s brand new channel being the welsh world, warrior williams and uh.
Please subscribe hit that bell and uh i’ll hit you back like you know what i’m saying so, i’m just i’m not doing it.
You know trying to make a million dollars or anything like that.
Like you know, i have fun, you know with my fighters and whatnot.
I believe that god’s plan i follow his plan.
I don’t force nothing in life.
I just go with the flow with opportunities, i’m an optimist.
If the opportunity comes i’m there, you know what i’m saying i’m going to look.
If you hit them back, you’re going to jail, [ Laughter, ], well guys uh to all the fight fans that are watching around the world.
Man, thanks for tuning in to this uh special episode of the friday night panel with our special guest tonight, dean, the welsh warrior williams, road warrior road warrior route, wells, road, warrior williams – it you’ve got it.
It could be a tongue twister, but yes, dean.
Thank you for taking on some time out of your schedule, thanks for having us pleasure.
Thank you guys back to the future and uh i’m gon na get in touch with you ray yeah yeah.
Please do great always a pleasure man.
Thank you for coming on.
Definitely guys don’t forget to check out between the ropes uh tv with raymond and his uh and his buddies and tim always a pleasure champ uh, i know you’ll be joining me.
You’Ll be joining me next week for our murderous rose, special uh, also ray you’ll, be jumping on there right, yeah, yeah i’ll be coming on.
One of the days is that monday, is that monday um we’ll we’ll see we’ll talk about it? We’Ll finish, let me know right, yeah yeah this weekend and uh shout out to carl who’s.
Dropping all the comments in the corner.
Uh yeah from uh last spell boxing over in the uk, another friend of ours here at talking fight guys, you know what it was.
It was a blast love, it guys.
Don’T forget all the fights man khan.
We will see you next week same time same channel new fights.
Yeah man amen.
God bless you.
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