Friday Night Boxing Panel 49 | Weekly Episode | Talkin Fight
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Friday Night Boxing Panel 49 | Weekly Episode | Talkin Fight
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Whew here we are another friday night panel featuring mike ware cedric bad and myself and uh tim’s gon na be joining us shortly.
Um we were just uh before we went on the air talking about some upcoming fights.
Oh someone knows you on the air mike damn.
I thought i turned that down.
Yes, all right, so what were we talking about? We were told we were discussing uh, we just yeah.
We were talking about australians yeah.
We were talking about tim tazu and how he’s fighting coming up uh, i didn’t realize he was 19-0 yeah yeah.
He is, he was 19, you know, and so has he fought outside of australia.
All of his fights have been in um, australia.
That’S! Where he’s from right, yeah he’s uh he’s only fought in australia so far but uh, you know what he’s scheduled to take on takashi takashi inui, which is that 147 pounds uh yeah.
I believe so believe it or not.
I’Ve only seen him fight once um he’s.
Definitely he doesn’t have he’s not at his father’s skill level.
What he looks like more is a is like a crowd, pleaser type of um brawler.
He still has you know.
He still has some fundamentals that he that i’m sure his dad taught him um, but for the lack of high skill level that he does not have, he makes up for it with his just his toughness and um.
You know just coming forward.
I guess i only saw one fight, but i’m actually thinking i’m actually thinking that this fight is actually going to be at 153.
, so yeah already yeah.
That’S what i think it is because uh last couple of fights have been at 153 so but uh yeah.
I guess to talk, i guess, to talk about the fights this weekend.
We might as well just start off the night with it um get it underway uh.
You know we had the we had the unfortunate accident uh shoulder.
Injury has forced dylan white to cancel his interim wbc heavyweight world title against uh sweden’s otto wallen, which oh, what a what uh, what an upsetting upsetting uh form of events right, like you know that that would have been a great match, definitely definitely definitely a great Match to watch um but uh who’s heading that up uh.
It will continue as planned with uh chantelle cameron, uh um.
The champ is here yeah terrible, terrible tim, terrible tim, real quick before you move on before you move on from the heavyweights um the replacement babbage.
He was a former uh knockout of the week, former knockout of the knockout of the week alumni yeah, that’s going to be the replacement for wallin, so um uh, it’s a step up, it’s a step up for babbage, but it should be a good, a good uh.
Good match still yeah yeah, hey how you doing paul trying to get on and my sister rosalind she’s trying to get on she worked down in in dc.
She followed my career uh.
She worked for the government, she makes a lot of money, so she wanted to come on because we were talking about old times and boxing and stuff yeah i got 10, i got 10 siblings and i’m in the middle wow wow.
So she trying to come on now, um paul johnson is trying to come on.
Did they send him a link? You want paul back on, i’m pretty sure we sent him a link yeah.
Let me let me let me see um he’s johnson johnson4042 yeah.
Let me call him now: i gave him my my sister’s thing.
Hopefully she can get on hold on.
Let me see, while he’s doing that who he got in the uh, so so on that same card man.
Now we have babbage is going to take on molina uh.
I talked about that yesterday, uh briefly about um how babbage is actually begging molina to bring it to him.
Man he’s like yo, please try and knock me out.
Let’S make this a battle.
Let’S make this something: that’s gon na go on, definitely um.
I think we’re gon na have to get on board with watching this one for sure man and uh.
Definitely, i think it’s gon na, be it’s gon na, be big time.
Eastern uh time that one will be scheduled um also on that card man we got um, we got craig richards uh is uh returns to the ring against poland’s merrick uh mataja.
I don’t even know how to pronounce the guy’s last name: [, Music ].
I think who’s uh 22 and two with nine kos after pushing wba light heavyweight world champion, dimitri bibble, all the way in may, and then we have yusuf uh kumari 1301.
Well, five people takes on george david instead um with 11 kos for the vacant.
Wbc international silver, feather silver super feather title wow, that was a mouthful [, Laughter, ], wow, wbc, international silver, super feather, title bang, and then we got the rumford bull johnny fisher.
Three and oh three kos faces spain’s alvaro: tarot um five; thirteen, two uh with three kos in front of over a thousand of his fans, so cat ford, super bantamweight, ellie scottney is uh two and all squares off against eva cantos who’s, two and one in her.
First fight with new trainer, shane mcgee, mcgee uh, mcgowan good, queen carl, could pronounce it best for us.
I think it is mcguigan mcgowan, mcgowan, there’s so many different ways, probably to pronounce it um yeah.
So and then we have against manchester’s cruiserweight jordan.
Thompson 10-0 with akos uh makes his bathroom debut against poland’s pot.
You know what’s bad when you got to take a deep breath before you try to pronounce the thing yeah, yeah, um and then uh man light heavyweight prospect.
John hedges 3-0 meets anthony, worley um over four rounds in dublin’s heavyweight thomas uh cardi.
I want to know uh his second professional fight, man paul it’s gon na, be some awesome, awesome, fights man and then um.
We got the zepedium vargas card, also uh, 10 p.
Espn plus fight tv should be a good one, guys that one’s on that one’s on espn plus, you said yeah man, that’s uh right.
That’S vargas and zepeda for the wbc silver super light title 10 rounds.
Uh main event is carabello versus sultan at uh 117 uh.
Their vacant wbo, intercost and intercontinental bantam title is up for grabs there.
In a 10 rounder uh, then we’ve got 15 pounds, wow yeah man yeah.
We got jahi tucker, taking on uh george rodrigo sosa.
I’Ve talked about both these fighters.
This is a welterweight six rounder, it’s on the uh, the undercard also cassier goldstein on the card against mark mizura 142.
So that’s our uh.
You know that’s a friend of the show man he’s coming back on, so we’re gon na be talking to him.
After this fight, so i can’t wait to get this card underway.
Plus we’ve got the uh the james card, man uh.
I know i know you want to watch this one.
Don’T you uh, cedric, yeah yeah, definitely uh jamal james.
He um remember jamal shango james jungle.
Yes, definitely, i need to know we need to get him on the show to find out that the story behind that mix right right, um but yeah he’s he’s been uh a prospect for a little while now he’s he’s ready to make that next uh.
That next step level up so i’m waiting.
This is another step up fight for him.
So i’m looking for him to to to look impressive to really make a name for himself at that division.
Um, along with uh, we’re all we’re going to be talking about jaron ennis, who um? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, definitely has.
He definitely passed the eye test right now, um his last test, his last fight.
He had he had a good step up fight against um um, sergey lippanens, and he stopped him who’s.
A good veteran, a former champion um thomas de lourmate, is, is i’m expecting.
This is what i’m expecting i’m expecting a spectacular knockout from drawn enes.
The reason why i say this because thomas the lord may i’ve seen him get knocked down before and, and you know, for a lack of a better term.
Do the tyson fury, you know, get dropped, shake it off, come back and then come back still come back after you.
So this is going to be a good test.
I think it’s going to be a good test for jaron ennis and uh, either either a tough, a tough 12-round decision or a spectacular knockout, so so you’re you’re already calling it before we’re doing the watch party tomorrow night yeah yeah, real, quick, i trained in the Gym with his like, i used to be with his dad and when his two other brothers used to fight, they were pretty good too, and then you know i’ve been following, i’m really proud of him, and what i noticed is that he got caught with a couple Of left hooks in his one of his last fights – and i think he needed to all he had to do – was tighten his defense up a little bit and he’s on his way, not saying that he’s not going to go.
But when i saw that he needed to concentrate on just a little bit more defense – yes, yes, yeah yeah.
I agree with that.
So yeah we we already know.
We already know what uh, what fight card we’re doing.
The watch party on then eh [ Laughter ], so the fans watching around the world, yes make sure you tune in tomorrow.
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Whatever you guys need man you’re minute to minute up to date, um play by play of the event man, it’s gon na, be great, can’t wait, yeah well, champ how’s! It going man nice to see you again paul thanks for joining us again.
I’Ve been talking.
My head off for the last 10 minutes man just taking up all the taking up all the air and where i am anyway tim.
I had a quick question uh.
I know it’s been a couple weeks now, since the the fury and wilder thing, but you were actually there um, you know, can you talk a little bit about? How was it like behind the scenes? Did you get to the? Did you actually get going to the locker rooms of each guy, and you know just just talk about the atmosphere behind the scenes? Well, you know um being hired by a radio station, and this it was something like new to me like performing these type of different acts and and talking and asking questions was new.
I’M getting better and better.
I’Ve been doing videos on youtube and everything.
You know what, with my i’m with brian i’ve, been doing that be trying to build the youtube channel up and i’ll be talking to paul all the time but um.
It was something new to me, but i wasn’t scared to ask questions um.
You know and the questions i asked uh whether it was negative or positive.
We got ta, we got the reaction um, so i i think i did okay, because we got a good feedback.
We got a good feedback uh and i’m still learning y’all guys be practicing.
Every week, and that’s one of the reasons why i do come on every friday um, you know and try to help out and everything so um, i’m getting better and better as it goes on.
We all are.
We all are we’re all neutral.
It helps you tim when you’re a former world champion, but in terms of the fight real, quick in terms of the fight um, it may seem like.
I was talking some negative stuff, because i wanted these guys to do better.
I wanted them, they were getting paid.
A lot of money, i was in a lot of fights where we look, where you see the talent and we really banged the guy got knocked out um and in this particular fight um.
It was sloppy um and, like i keep saying, there’s like a rocky balboa and creed fight where there wasn’t no skills, and i can understand that i can understand enjoying that fight like that.
But i’m sure that uh top ten boxer would have got in and probably said, the same thing probably well.
They are right, they are right, but they could have did better than that sugar ray leonard tommy hearns muhammad ali and joe frazier.
You didn’t see it yeah, yeah yeah.
I definitely see that yeah 100.
I understand what you’re saying, because most most people enjoy like just a a you know, a fight like what most people call a good fight is.
If somebody has to get punched hard and knocked down to the ground, unless somebody gets knocked down to the ground, like you know, even with wilder and fury if, if that fight would have been exactly the same, but there was no knockdowns, people would have probably just Called the boring fight, but because there was knock downs, that’s why it was so exciting, exciting to everyone.
Um uh, but you know i think it’s it’s our job to to educate the the fans and let them know there’s other skills to look for.
Like you know, the defense like being able to make a person miss, is also a skill, not not just running away, even staying in the pocket, with your hands up whether you want to call you know the shell making the person slip ducking under once in a While just making the person miss by an inch and countering back, that’s a that’s a high skill level that most boxers um, you know takes years to develop.
As tim could you know could attest to that um and that’s what we should.
You know try to look forward to not just the the knockdown for an exciting place.
The build up of the fight go ahead, paul well, i was just gon na say that it.
It reminds me when listening to cedric talk, you know when you, the fans come in and they pay money to see a good fight and they see somebody knock down that oh and they’re cheering they’re roaring and that’s fine they’re fans.
But that’s why boxers need a union that very thing it’s a very dangerous sport and they need to join together and have uh at the kind of benefits that they have coming to them and and they’ll get it yeah roughly definitely yeah.
I agree with that.
You know like, like i’ve said over and over again i i had a different view of the fight than the commentators they were in boxers.
You know some of them before cup uh had a couple of amateur fights, but it was totally different.
It was totally different and um i can understand where they were coming from, but i think the people that pay the tickets and really and watch the fights should really uh see some skills up there.
But this time during this time, we’re not the skills of leaving the guys that know all the knowledge where they at there’s only there’s a there’s few of them around.
You know – and this is this – is the results of what are we getting? They went in the fights they’re making the money, but i don’t just don’t see the talent like we used to see.
You know i was disappointed.
Would would we all agree that the only way you’re going to see really good talent is you have to get in the gym and you have to spar and when you’re sparring? That’S a tough, tough business as well, because you’re still taking the shots, and it’s got to be done and that’s why our sport is a rough rough sport, because that’s what you have to do, but paul real, quick, real, quick, i’m not putting somebody in that ring That can’t handle they they can’t handle.
I know you’re talking about what you’re talking about, but that sparring thing we got to be.
We got to be kind of careful about it because i’m not going if i’m training somebody i’m not going to put them in there with some tough guy unless he know how to block shots and – and you know, because he got ta, he got ta uh um Retire, one day you want him to yeah.
I want him to be able to talk to, so you want him to spell retirement, i’m not putting them in there.
That’S when i go to all these gyms, i make sure that don’t nobody get hurt, yeah and and that’s why people really respect you tim, but you know as well as i do that punches happen, yeah, okay, they do yeah and they will catch up with you.
So how do you think about? How do you think about this idea tim? What i do a lot of times is um.
I do a lot of technical sparring like if i have one boxer say a novice boxer against a more one of my national champions.
I’Ll tell the novice boxer they can.
They can use both hands and go as hard as they want to and then, like.
The national champion he’s only allowed to use one hand, and if he’s really, that high skill, if i’ll tell him, he’s only allowed to use his jab like the novice box, they can throw, they can do whatever they want.
They can go as hard as they want and the the national champion he’s only allowed to use his jab.
That’S it nothing else and just move around so little things like that.
I try to that is beautiful, that’s beautiful! It’S the match: you’re matching them up, because you’re telling the guy, with all the experience just to go with so much and the other.
The young guy is learning because he’s doing everything and he’s not hurting the goddess.
That’S out there yeah that’s a good thing and both fighters are getting training exactly yeah, exactly yeah yeah.
I think a lot of a lot of guys got to do that.
More often, then it happens enough yeah, they think getting in the ring.
They think getting.
The ring and beating up on somebody is is really the way and it’s not no.
We going to school, we going to school kindergarten first grade.
Second grade third grade: will you our profession is just like a university yeah.
It’S like education go to.
First, all the way up to the top, and when you graduate that’s when you get that belt around your waist yeah, it means i want you the one, that’s sitting behind you on the wall.
There, oh dude, that’s the thing.
Nice show it off.
Let’S get a closer look at that, let me see there, it is chimp, but let me let me tell you a guy from england gave me this, but one of my agents, his name is his name – is uh kevin baker and um.
I didn’t have a belt and he said man, you know because all the stuff that happened, i didn’t get a belt because i was standing up to the wbc and all of them.
So they didn’t.
They didn’t, send me a duplicate.
So so no they didn’t send me duplicate, because i was running my mouth saying what was going on yeah and yeah, and now i’m friends with them.
We cool, but we had a guy from england.
My agent set board it and send it to me, and i had the wba.
The wba had the wba belt too um.
That was, that was a lot of fun all that stuff.
You know i had a two-time north american yeah and one-time usba.
So the two, the little small ones they give you the pacifier, because you ready for the big one so they’ll give you the small one.
So you can show up to your friends: hey get ready for the big one right, so you can show it off to your friends and then yeah the north american did yeah.
I i even thought what is the one, the b the b o something? What is that? Oh, the neighborhood wbo? Is it wbo? That’S that’s.
It never could reach a big belt to me um.
Do you notice that i never have to be old, but only a certain people? What that? What is that belt started in england somewhere, something like that? Yeah yeah yeah, so they they they they love it.
But when you say wbo to me, i kind of like say: oh okay, not like the w.
No do you get that feeling.
Dude yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
We know the major ones, the major ones that we’re used to hearing the the major letters, the normal letters, we’re used to hearing it’s all, it’s all about that gold and green right.
There, that’s what it’s about yeah, so i met.
I met jose solomon’s son uh when we was at the fights and um who’s.
What’S his name, i don’t know how to pronounce his name, but it’s sulu man.
What is it paul? I’M not sure i know jose.
Mauricious is sulaimanism, so i shook his hands, but he stood there and looked at me for a while, and i was like okay, everything, good everything and you know he said he was like, but he was waiting for me to come talk to him.
I blew a great opportunity.
I told paul that and now i feel bad.
I said: oh man, i’m gon na call him up and talk to him and apologize.
Paul told me, you don’t got ta apologize.
Just talking about, are you done? No, they they’re they’re the ranking, sanctioning group and they’re in business because of boxers okay, yeah yeah, but i’m going to get a phone call to them and tell them i’m uh, i’m sorry, but i really wanted to talk to you um about some stuff and then I was going to report back to you paul and try to open up the door, so we can get them involved.
Hey do it do it, but i made him.
Oh man, i had him right in front of me talking to him and and i’ll say whoa.
I was thinking about his.
I was thinking about his dad.
Wait, a minute paul wait.
I was thinking about his dad.
I was thinking about his dad his dad really cared about.
He was nice to me, but he had to do that to me.
He had to threaten me before the bone crusher fight, so i felt kind of bad because jose’s superman liked me and so did jose torres.
He threatened me too, and he didn’t want to do it.
He didn’t want to do it.
I could tell when they knocked on that door in new york and and took turns picking on me trying to get me to to take the fight when jose torres came and he started talking to me.
You know he didn’t want to do.
I could tell in his eyes – and i could tell that jose soon in my eyes, because i talked to him all the time, but then he had to tell me i better take the fight.
I could look in his eyes and tell he didn’t want to do it, but they all took turns and was antagonized would interrogate me.
You better take the fight, and now i felt bad.
I want to talk to his son and tell him that all that in the past is in the past.
Could we work with you, but they put it on me, even though even the doctor came to the door, the doctor for the fight knocked in the door and threatened me, so they took turns and then the next day.
That’S when i said man well i’ll, take it yeah, i’m gon na.
Take your dive.
I’M gon na take this dive and that’s what i did if i, if, if i may, if i may enter here and just say that it’s one of the reasons why i’m so grateful and thankful to him and talking to you because um you know jose torres At one point was the head of the wbo, and we had we’ve got a letter from the wbo supporting what we’re doing for a union for boxers.
It was years ago we got the letter, but but when, when you’re a boxer and you’re and you’re how you are ranked that has a direct influence on your employment, how much money you’re going to make so legally that really it is a requirement almost that boxers Have to have a voice in the process because promoters certainly have a voice.
Ranking groups certainly have a voice, and the boxers need a voice in the business as well.
Yeah yeah! That’S why we’re talking union? Absolutely that’s! Why we’re talking unions give them a voice to give them something something that’ll talk for them.
I’Ve been part of a union before so i know what it’s about man, they they’re they’re, good things, um some people like them, some people, don’t i’m pro-it.
I’Ve worked a job that was unionized well, and i would like to hear somebody tell me why they’re against it, you know what what the reason is.
I’Ve been doing this for 25 years and i’ve heard no honestly, i’m not just saying this never have.
I heard a word that stood the test.
It said why there shouldn’t be a union for boxes, and all it is.
Is democracy in the ring? That’S all.
It is yeah.
Well buster douglas there’s a good chance that um paul the guy that you you talk to.
Um that he can get busted douglas, we should try to get busted douglas on here, uh next week or the week after next week.
Um all they want to do.
Is they want me to talk to buster? That’S what they wanted me to do, but you got to talk to him.
What’S his name, um paul who’s, that the guy remember the guy that that was very interested in in in in dealing with the union, and you talked to him and he’s busted douglas uh.
One of his his friends – and he said – oh yeah, you want me to call buster and i think we should get buster on the on the show.
Yes, yes, yeah i’ll get i’ll get back to him.
His name escapes me right now, but i know i know you’re talking about.
Was he a spanish guy um? I don’t think so, but i i don’t know i shouldn’t.
Even we got his information guys.
We do have his information yeah yeah.
We have it uh, but yeah him and buster talk all the time and he told me you want me to talk the buster so when i i’m gon na do it this week, am i talking buster, i’m gon na try to get him on the podcast friday At seven, okay, perfect, okay, that’s my job! I’M gon na get that done sounds good.
You know again i’ll.
Look for that number two and give you whatever numbers.
I got tim.
I know where he’s at i’m gon na call him.
I know where he’s at okay.
Good did you get hold of aj? Did i get a hold of him? Yeah where’s, your shame.
It’S a shame.
The way they got him locked up in the in the cage um.
They don’t want nobody to help the guy i’ll.
Do it for free, because i know it’ll work um and you know i know him – he’s a nice guy and he’s over there with uh ronnie shields.
I have nothing against ronnie’s shields, yeah yeah.
I have nothing against him they’re going in the wrong direction.
They should go to somebody that had was successful, had a good defense, um and even outside the ring i could prove i could.
I can get the job done.
I i like the guy, that’s why i want to help him, and i hope that wilder, i hope, wilder and tyson fury do need some help.
Both of them hit the deck a couple of times something wrong something wrong.
You hit the deck a couple of times something wrong unless you still hurt from the first punch.
Unless you hurt on the first punch and get down you know, but they went down twice both.
I went down like three times right two times: um, that’s you can that can happen, but you’re not supposed to be going down like that, because that’s getting deeper yeah got ta.
Have that defense tight, so um i’ve been sending out um, um emails and stuff and and on facebook um, because i know exactly how to fight a southpaw, too um and and just specific things he need just specific.
They don’t got ta make.
So he went to ronnie shiel, who got the shulo brothers or something like that charlotte charlotte charlotte brother.
They going after fame guys just on tv guys just his his people.
His management is probably telling them.
Oh man, the shallow brothers or ronnie schill or or or or uh.
Well, i have nothing against these guys, but i know i can do it freddie, roach and there’s another guy there’s another guy, oh canelo’s trainer, so i heard they were known yeah.
I heard somebody from england, they called me and said he’s over there with canelo, then the next week he was with ronnie shell, and somebody said he was gon na go to freddie roach.
There’S a lot of good trainers on the east coast way better than those guys they probably would try to get sugar hill.
He never fought so his his management and his promotions are not experienced, they’re not experienced, or else he wouldn’t be over.
There they’ll be on the east coast or like chicago over in this new york.
They’Ll, be over here, not downing these guys over there on the west coast.
Isn’T he signing the matchroom yeah yeah? Something like that? Something like that match room, but i think when you’re signing that’s only like he just has to fight on matrimon.
I don’t know, i don’t know if that’s the contract that he has to train like they get to tell him where he’s allowed to train.
I’M not sure is that that stuff gets pretty mixed up about who your manager is, who your promoter is, what television rights who they’re signing with blah blah yeah so is? We were discussing this on another show, the other day, where there’s a lack of uh serious trainers out there for these competitors at the high level.
I actually think i actually think that um an average trainer can take you all the way.
In other words, i mean you’ll, take you’ll, take him along with you now he might be limited, but if you keep winning he’s going to be the man, but if he go to somebody else, he probably won’t that’s somebody’s, not i’m trying to make you understand this.
That probably wouldn’t be as success successful as the guy he was with so okay, anthony joshua.
He made it and, and whoever is training with, is going to make it automatically because joshua won them them belts.
There’S a lot of boxes out there, a lot of trainers that made it and they boxers.
They don’t want to carry them, but they don’t really know how and there’s a couple of names out there, i’m gon na.
Let it happen i’m gon na.
Let me say it: i don’t think that freddie roach, i respect him to the t, but if he wasn’t with pacquiao, you probably wouldn’t hear nothing from him.
Okay, teddy atlas tried marvin um, um um.
What’S his name? What’S his name, the middleweight um there was on espn and they never had him back cannon uh, no, no um! He died.
Oh he’s speaking about a coach yeah.
He was in jail, he was in jail, he had a ball and he fought hurricane hurricane hurricane carter.
Hurricane carter, hurricane carter, after the fight, if y’all remember, he said that old friend that um that oh teddy atlas, he don’t know what he talking about.
You know all this stuff right and um.
I was like.
Oh they didn’t.
Let him come back, they didn’t.
Let him come back, you know so so so the same thing with teddy atlas, jack newfield of the village voice up in new york, i used to go over his house all the time with this guy tom moran, who was my manager, we talked about him another Day so freddie uh um teddy at this, was like a couple of meetings.
We eating having fun hey teddy every talking about stuff we eat.
Let me talk about boxing and talk about jack newton, newfield new or his new book.
That came out, i think, was the village voice.
So when i got to the fight with my son for dusty baker, teddy atlas barely even said hi to me.
Really he was doing it.
He was doing the commentating for espn win jack newfields everything giving hugs talking about stuff.
Then, when we got down to the fight dusty harrison was fighting.
You know the the guy from he’s from merlin somewhere, the spanish kid yeah he’s fighting my son and my son lost a decision.
Teddy atlas wouldn’t even barely speak to me.
He wouldn’t even look at me.
That’S when i said okay, i said okay, i’m not going to when i see him next time, i’m not going to speak to him either, but when he was at that meeting, he was talking to me having fun me and jack.
Newfield was having fun with him.
I don’t know why he did that and then he wouldn’t interview me or nothing.
He had these amateur kids, jack newfield was good friends with jose torres and i talked with uh newfield and he support he’s definitely supports union for boxers supported the union for bachelor yeah.
He passed away yeah he passed away.
He was a good guy and um before he hey, he didn’t hesitate.
We’Re talking about uh don king, remember don king there’s, walking on 60 minutes and don king start, calling all kind of names y’all guys.
I remember that king was talking about oh man, that was a classic cuss out.
He cussed jack newfield out and jack neufeld said a couple of words and made him look stupid afterwards.
Just a couple words so um, you know uh the the trainers today.
Getting back to there there’s a lot of trainers today that got credit by the fighter, winning these fights and but, and you know, and they got people from england sending their people to freddie roach, and i think this is why freddie don’t speak to me like i Spoke to him, he didn’t want to speak to me because i told barry mcgregor and i was in.
I was in ireland with barry mcgregor and i think i told you guys we had a uh reality show called called lord of the ring and tyson fury was there uh kd taylor, everybody was there uh, we was having fun and i was talking to barry mcgregor And so i said well freddie roach.
He was talking about something he saw my friend yesterday, alfred he’s all right.
I said manny pacquiao made him what he is boy.
You should have swore bad mcgregor.
What family was like man.
If he’s a good trainer he’s just all papa pop – and i was like okay – so i think barry told them – i think barry told them, because that’s why freddie roach didn’t say he like i reached my hand now he didn’t reach his hand out, and i said, Oh okay, how you doing and walked away, but but i don’t see what he bring to the table – cause uh um, um, pat manny pacquiao.
Just keep those straight punches like this.
You bring your trainer in to change you a little bit sculpture you! So you could be prepared for for guys like mayweather and stuff.
He did a good job yeah.
Okay, so you got to shape him up, but you all you see him is doing this all the time, but you’re never seeing them turn them around.
Like this, you never see them doing boxing stuff, so i love them both.
I love them both, but i just was was saying: okay, there’s a lot of other guys that need credit too.
I know he was sick.
I know freddie roach was sick.
I’M sympathetic i’m sympathetic to it.
I feel bad about that, but when it comes to training and you’re gon na give him the best trainer in the law and all this stuff, i think that’s good, but what about these other guys that deserve it too? You know, i know he’s sick and everybody feels sorry for him, but they made him trainer of the century or something didn’t they or something like that.
Really i didn’t.
I didn’t hear that what was it recent? No, he was trainer of the year or something like that.
He won trainer.
That’S why that’s why i think is yeah.
You know it’s a lot of politics because he freddie roach run trainer like seven eight years, seven, but i find it.
You know most people agree.
Floyd mayweather is, you know the best boxer at least of this generation, but his coaches never won it once in his 20-year pro career.
So you know, i think it just shows you the the little bit of the politics.
That’S going on.
That’S that’s! Absolutely! Right when you mention the word politics, because you know without quoting and getting into other stuff it when you say it’s, not personal, it’s business, you know when you talk in politics, sometimes it’s getting personal yeah and when people use the word politics, you know it’s getting Personal and stuff, but it is business and there should be business, and when people have disagreements about stuff it doesn’t mean that i don’t like you or your family or anything about you.
It just means you disagree with what they’re saying about the business aspect of boxing yeah yeah.
So did you watch a lot of his fights? Did you he got hit a lot? He got hit a lot so my son, if he was 10 years old amateur and i watched some of freddie roach’s films.
I wouldn’t put my son with him, i’m just saying he got hit a lot.
He was aggressive, um, and – and this is the only thing i was just saying – that um um, you could praise him, there’s nothing wrong with that, but don’t make him okay.
If you want to say legendary, you can make him legendary trainer um.
You know because of manny pacquiao i’ll accept that, but but if manny pacquiao didn’t come around, i don’t think that we would hear too much of them and i that’s you don’t hear me talking negative about people but um.
We went in that direction.
So i’m talking about i’m not even the true i’m, not even the full-blooded trainer, but i know i could get the job done.
I know just look at my son.
He fights pretty good, but he had problems.
That’S all, but i hate to say stuff like that.
You know i hate to say stuff like that, but it’s looking it’s looking like tim you’re gon na have to create your own world champion.
Man show people how it’s done: hey cedric, how? How do you get new clients, like you, say, you’re training like national champs, but is it word of mouth or is it uh, yeah, yeah i’ll, just all just referral because um? Well, no, no specific reason! I don’t you don’t do any any like marketing like come training or anything like that.
It’S just just word gets around and boxing is because boxing is a sport.
I think it’s not like um, you know.
Usually, if people want to try boxing, they they they know they want to try it.
It’S not like other sports were, like you know whatever, and i appreciate all sports, i’m not talking down on other sports, but, like you know whether it’s soccer or baseball, you know you can kind of even know how to explain it.
Those are those are easier sports that you can kind of get in and get out boxing.
You know people already kind of know what to expect when you come in here, so it’s really uh um anyway.
Just to answer your question as far it’s really more by referrals like they hear that we have good boxes here, so they feel people feel more comfortable.
Uh parents feel more comfortable bringing their their kids here, knowing that we train properly um and safely any parent.
That comes in there.
I make sure to explain to them that uh, that the kids are learning how to defend themselves, not just simply learning how to fight um.
You know i make sure to tell the parents that the kids still have to do good in school.
In order to keep coming here so i know you know, the word gets around that you know we actually care about the kids, it’s not just about fighting it’s about learning and, and you know, having respect and discipline.
So i guess to answer your question: it’s not any marketing! It’S just word of mouth that you know people well! It’S very well put well yeah if i wanted to find out who the best pound-for-pound boxer uh in general terms, i’ll go to box rack, but if i want to find out who the best trainer was, there’s, no there’s no ranking system of trainers.
No yet you’re exactly right again, it’s just just by word of mouth.
I mean this yeah, it’s a lot of it’s a lot of trainers out there.
You know and just like when i you know because i’ve been, i go to the nationals every year, so around canada, like all the best coaches, all the best coaches in canada know each other from being at the nationals every year.
So i mean you’re kind of for a lack of a better term, a little like, not a star, but people know who you are in your area just because you’re kind of the best at what you do for for your sport.
So again it um.
It’S just just it’s really just word of mouth, because at the same time i don’t just want any random people off the street coming in here.
Man wasting time like, but they come in.
They come they do come.
They do come to witherspoon boxing and fitness uh, because a lot of them think i’ll, be there i’ll.
Be there a lot.
I be there a lot.
My son handles he.
My son is good.
My son handles a lot, but they come there because we’re just because of that, because i was heavyweight chat yeah.
They do get attracted from that.
But i understand what he’s saying word of mouth and there’s a gym there um.
There might not be a lot of gyms in the area or something like that and they want to fill the gym up yeah.
So no so go ahead.
You know i you know.
I think you know what based on what what you both said.
It it really seems like that’s another reason why boxing needs to be put into a corporate structure so that all the trainers can be listed and if people want to get a hold of a trainer.
They’Ll have a place to go to to contact a trainer.
Absolutely well a qualified trainer, a qualified trader exactly and that’s a good plan.
You won’t be.
You won’t be on the list unless you are qualified, i mean that’s, that’s one good thing about.
We were talking about this thing last week.
Good thing about unions, is you have tickets, so in other? In other words, as you earn your tickets, you become more and more qualified.
Quite frankly, so yes, yes, exactly that’s right.
Would you would you think that i’ll be thinking about this all the time real, quick um, you know like to all the like the mob come tell you to take this.
Take a dive and somebody taking bets.
Don’T you think that we need some of that because boxing the way it is, we need some hollywood yo.
Do you think we need some a little bit of it? Don’T get rid of the best? Don’T don’t don’t love it? Don’T you know that that in the business of boxing when somebody when you meet somebody, you know you don’t say our hair, you and the mob? You know when you meet somebody you’re talking business, but the only thing that is clear to everybody is it’s and that’s.
Why boxing needs a union and a corporate structure with true undisputed championship tournaments, because when the business gets going, when somebody comes into the to the business, if you don’t go, you you’ve got an italian last name, you must be so-and-so.
All it is is about when, when you’re involved with the national football league, they know who you are, they know all about you where your business is, what you’ve done in the sport, etc, etc, and that’s the way it’s going to be for boxing, but you don’t Think pink would love to hear that fall.
I know we’re going in the right direction.
They don’t hear that this guy got ripped off.
No, we got us.
We got to definitely handle that.
But do you think that might hurt boxing because usually fans here like? Oh, he got, you know he got ripped off or we trying to stop it.
But just you know, oh he took a dive.
I think i think you’re taking you think.
Well, i think you’re taking it from sports to entertainment.
Yeah, don’t you don’t you? Don’T you think that if there was a case – and they do this in other than the other major sports football baseball, basketball hockey et cetera, if, if they’re and they do it in the screen actors guild as well? If, if there’s a problem, if if, if there’s an an issue that comes up with a boxer or a manager or trainer referee, judge promoter whatever and the issue comes up, they have a process to call somebody in have a meeting and union reps will be there With the person who reps from refs other promoters, whatever it is, but they’ll have meetings and with the commissioner of the sport, and they will discuss these things and get it get it straightened out which they should and that they should.
There should be a process to have conclusions when there’s a problem, because otherwise the problems never get solved, then rumors get started and things fly around and the public is going what the heck’s going on in that sport – and you don’t want that.
That’S that’s really negative.
For the sport yeah, absolutely you don’t you don’t want anyone blackballed just because they have an opinion.
Yes, exactly yep exactly so before you leave cedric any last comments on the upcoming fights or anything you want to trip in about um.
Just um just pay attention to jamal.
I mean everyone’s um speaking of jaron ennis and rightfully so because he definitely has uh like.
I said he definitely passed the eye test, but i think people should also pay attention to jamal james who’s, um who’s also um.
On his way, up to the to the definitely to the contender level, jamal james yep jamal james jamal uh jamal, where is he from where’s? He from? I am not sure he’s tall, though tall he’s a tall for his weight, he’s 147, but he’s like six foot or six foot one or something like that um.
At the same time, even though he’s tall and tim you you – obviously you know about this too, some tall guys, just because you’re tall doesn’t automatically mean that you’re that you’re going to have a even just because you’re tall and you have a longer reach, doesn’t mean That you know how to use that reach right.
Not all tall guys know how to use that length.
You got to be yeah the reason why i bring it up because jamal james, even though he’s he’s a taller guy, he doesn’t always use his his range.
He kind of likes to fight on the inside, like you know like like paul williams or like diego corrales, who were taller, but they still like to brawl on the inside okay.
So that’s that’s! That’S kind of what jamal james is so, maybe so jamal james he’s weighed in at 145 and a quarter for tomorrow um.
He is from minneapolis minnesota.
How tall is he uh? He is six feet tall with a 70 inch reach where’s.
The is the fight going to be at the armory uh.
The fight event tomorrow is taking place.
I can get you a welterweight, the mandalay bay resort casino in las vegas, six foot, eight man there’s boxing, i’m telling you i’ll talk to them.
I can get.
I can get these i’ll be talking to these different groups.
145 pounds, six foot, eight listen! I talked to all his fighters, they’re down on california they’re in california, and this guy has got his thing.
I’Ve been talking to these different guys he’s six and you got somebody six foot eleven also, but this kid is six foot, eight, six foot, nine 145 pounds.
Well, if i had the money, i would go get that kid.
I’M telling you i just talked about morales.
We debuted him and he did he had a debut fight last weekend, um and he’s six nine, two: seventy wow, six, nine, two, seventy six nine! He just had his pro debut came through with a vicious victory.
Um, the guy could move the move, he’s got great lateral movement side to side man i heard of it.
He works his job, like you, wouldn’t believe man like a big guy, that’s working the job proper.
You know double and tripling it up sometimes and he’s just filling people, man and uh.
He just pro debuted, i’m glad to say um and yeah just be on the lookout for him.
Man morales, six, nine, two, seven yeah.
What’S his like seven yeah he’s got like a 76.
I believe it is that’s crazy.
We got randy in the comment section saying that’s tyson fury’s size.
It is no randy randy thanks for tuning in yes, it is tyson fury size.
This kid literally does does stand up and six nine to seventy uh.
He fought against a a gentleman that was a six two six two three hundred and thirteen.
Oh, i seen that big guy yeah a big guy, but the big guy was tough right.
Yeah man yeah, oh, he couldn’t hurt him.
He lost him yeah this uh yeah.
This kid took him out.
This kid took him out: man, unbelievable, unbelievable.
I see that ricky hatton suggested that he retire, because he has nothing left to prove oh, come on.
I don’t know about that.
Come on ricky, that’s what ricky had said: no, really yep! No, no! She retired she’s got nothing left to prove, be respectful to there’s somebody else.
Yeah! There’S somebody out there there’s somebody out there that could that could take.
I just don’t see the talent listen.
If somebody had good d had a good trainer come in, there had just a little experience while they’re and why, while they’re in fury, would be in trouble, i’m telling you because of their size, their styles.
This is all we got in this century and and they’re doing good, but get somebody out.
There got a good defense that won’t get hit and like a punch, they both gon na leave.
Here i’m telling you my favorite heavyweight right now is big baby baby jared he’s back now, right, anderson, yo, cheffing up those knockouts buddy.
Okay, is he gon na fight? He was gon na fight.
Joshua, remember right, yeah dad! What are you talking about? It’S big big that boy i spoiled them long time ago.
It really was tough yeah.
I sprawled him.
I sparred him and he’s from new york right.
I believe so yeah you talk about the one that got disqualified, no, no, the fury and they’re undercard.
Yes, he did.
He fought okay, second round tko, and that was against vladimir tereshkin.
Okay, i was talking about the other baby that was supposed to fight joshua.
Remember he pushed joshua yeah yeah yeah yeah.
He also had every drug possible in the system.
He got pop twice for everything and when you, when you bring up drugs and excuse me for just throwing this under the union again we’re talking about the union.
But yes, yes, yes, when you have, when you have somebody that says: okay, we’re gon na check you for drugs, the people that make those decisions there has to be input from the boxers.
Just what you’re talking about what the parameters are, what the drugs are and all the stuff there has to be input from a boxer’s union when people make direct, whether it’s accusations or effects on your employment, whether you’re going to fight again people that have those kinds Of decision-making powers there is to be a union with that.
Definitely definitely you know in in any job that any job that you know where you would have to test for drugs.
You don’t do that alone, man, you have a union rep with you side by side.
Yes, sir walks, you through the process uh, you know hand in hand, tells you what to say when to say it and how to say it: they they are looking after your interests and they’re.
Looking after your you know your life, so yeah definitely miller jarrell miller.
That’S his name, i think yeah thanks randy, look out for antonio morales 69 270.
Just had his debut just had to thank you, boys, a big boy.
Do you think they’ll ever get to a you know they had the heavyweight and then the super heavyweight.
Do you think they’ll ever get to the super super heavyweight? You know what at this at this point, yeah man, i believe there are guys that could literally walk around 300 plus pounds all day long every day get in that ring and bang it out.
You got julius long, who’s, um who’s, a veteran from the states who’s down down in uh down in australia, man that guy’s like seven foot, one 360 pounds and he’s in the ring he looks sloppy he’s he’s another tomato can, but you know we got guys that Have that that ability? You know you’re talking about a guy, that’s measuring up six, eleven six, eleven, that guy’s walking around to 300 pounds no problem and look at the size of the the joe lewis’s and the rocky marcianos.
You know they were weren’t even six feet.
Yeah and lewis was probably six one yeah, oh my god, man yeah, you know what it’d be it’d, be crazy, it’d be crazy, but it wouldn’t be uh.
It wouldn’t be far-fetched man with the way that people are growing these days.
Well, i like them big guys.
I love the big guys, oh the biggest, those little guys i couldn’t i couldn’t it was rough, but the big ones they drop like trees.
Look at look at this look at the ones when every time i pour it a tall guy yeah, they got knocked out.
Yeah they got not or i had problems, but when i pulled a short guy, i had trouble with them.
You’Re right tim, the heavyweights are exciting, but so are like.
When you get a you know, some of these younger guys, roberto, duran uh, you know, look, look how exciting he was to fought to oh yeah watch fighter, no macho camacho, there’s another one that was super exciting to watch yeah.
He was just he was.
We talked to him about the union.
He was a he’s another guy.
That was a big supporter of it.
Definitely definitely a man, a man who truly liked to take care of his people, hey.
I know you guys are going to continue on for a couple of minutes, but i got to get going.
I want to keep it to you guys.
Okay, hey are we going to? Are we going to talk again, uh yeah, yeah, very soon, yeah for sure? Okay, look forward it man, so we can get some information.
Okay, good, to see you again: okay, yeah! So we’re going to get some information and um next week, maybe get a real good one.
If, if you know, if you guys agree to it right, uh paul, if you can get um uh those guys um, what’s his name, the one you just was talking about, i should have it written down.
Give me a give me a what were we talking about? Remember the other guy said that he, the one that would bust the douglas he’s, got oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
I got his number and everything a name, i’m a not with me.
I should have it.
There’S embarrassing right here, [ Laughter ], so he talked about the union stuff too, and i hooked them to uh um.
What type of what type of show would you like to like like next week, troy graham, wasn’t richard schwartz? No, it wasn’t schwartz and oh talk, fight, ended, [, Laughter, ].
What’S that gap in there, i don’t know where the library is just something in front of us.
What what our? What our producer just do? I bet you.
I bet you any money, the producers.
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