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EPISODE: Episode 7
Featuring 2-time heavyweight champion Tim Witherspoon, our group of panelists are always prepared for another weekly roundup of boxing headlines, including updates about boxers from the past and current event news to share with the many fans out there that enjoy the great sport of Boxing!
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Transcribed:
Hello boxing fans around the world, thank you for joining us on talk and fight.
Once again for the friday night panel joining me are mike warr, typically at 4.
, cedric glenn out of windsor boxing coach and conditioning fitness expert and paul johnson.
Are you tonight paul good, very good? Thank you very much.
Awesome.
We’Ve had paul on before and talked quite a lot about his ongoing uh efforts to form a union for boxing organizing efforts, yep yep, all good anything to report anything new coming up this week.
Well, we’ve got uh, we’ve got a lot coming up, we’ve got uh, we’ve got boxes that are coming forward, we’ve got uh, we’ve got uh there.
There was a case where a boxer we went to there’s a boxer, that’s suffering some uh head injuries from boxing and and we went to the promoter and the promoter said, take it to court and we understand that this boxer might have been uh under contract.
With a bar, a promoter that this promoter that said, take it to court happens to uh not like and uh, you know we want to get the politics out of boxing we want to.
We want to bring boxers together into a union, put our sport into a single corporate structure with true undisputed championship tournaments, like all the other major sports, and and do that and and get rid of this other stuff and clear.
The way for, like i say, true, undisputed championship tournaments and that’s what our sport needs and uh cedric.
What do you think? I definitely agree with that, because there’s too many belts, it seems like every other.
Every other year um one of the major companies sanctioning bodies comes up with another belt yeah.
You know it’s, it’s even for for hardcore boxing fans, it’s hard to keep up with.
Who has the major bells – and you know interim belts and and what’s the other word, that they came up with interim belts and franchise belts and all this stuff, so i mean just to so.
If it’s hard for hardcore fans to to follow, i can’t imagine it, for you know just a casual fan.
They have no idea like this one guy said to me he’s like cedric.
I want to follow boxing, but it seems, like you know, every time i turn on the tv there’s another random guy with a belt over her shoulder like how am i supposed to know like who is the real champion so, and you know what you know, what One of the what one of the solutions would be to that that would solve it is take.
Let’S take just, for example, four major belts, wbc, wba, ibf and wbo.
Just just take four: you got an even number and then you have every every year, every two years you could have a situation where all the top 20 boxers in each group is ranked top 20.
top 20 in one group top 20.
Another group top 20.
Another group top 10, no double ups, if you’re ranked in one you’re not ranked in another, and then it would be kind of like a draft where, at the beginning of the season or whatever, the wbo would take the first boxer and imitate your number one contender.
Wba take number one wbc number one ibf so on and so forth all the way down to 20 no double ups, and then you could rent.
You could have a process where you could have boxers fighting each other to reach an undisputed uh championship status.
Where undisputed meant something now, whereas right now, the you know when, when you have a fan that goes yeah the alphabet soup group, you know that’s terrible for the sport when that happens, you know we want.
We want boxers ranked and we want an undis, a path to undisputed championship tournaments and the revenues from the television rights would be uh.
Everybody would benefit yeah, yeah, yep, there’s way too many belts, 68 in total up for grabs, [, Laughter, ] over 17 weight classes, and that’s just that’s that’s just a major ascension in bodies you know and when you look at other major sports, you know where you Have a super bowl, the world series, the stanley cup, etc, etc, the the championship and then in the national basketball.
So you have a a path towards undisputed in all of them.
Right and it’d be great to do that in boxing, and there is a way to do that.
We just have to bring our sport together and having a union would be the first start for that, where the boxers have a voice in their business.
Definitely yeah good stuff, all right, mike speaking of boxers uh, who got lined up uh who’s who’s going toe to toe this weekend.
Oh well, we got the uh.
We got the andre and quigley card uh, just underway uh.
Well, you can watch it free right now.
Uh before the bell on youtube, it’s going on at the moment, uh after that it starts on the zone at nine o’clock uh.
This is gon na, be a great card.
Um, i’m pretty excited for it.
Man, we also have jessica camara will be on this card.
As well so yeah, the canadian jessica, camaro, canadian yeah yeah, there’s uh, there’s some big things: big big titles.
Here up for grabs, we got um, we got a the wba super worlds.
Super world super phantom title is up for grabs along with the ibf world.
Super phantom title uh and that’s velasquez versus uh, medelliv, [, Laughter, ] and uh.
We got reo versus martinez, for the wbc world fly title and then you know quickly and andre.
The wbo mid world middle title is up for grabs and then we got jessica, kamara and uh.
Reece is up for uh.
Think about the wba world female super light title.
We got the vacant wbo world female super light title and the ibo world female super light.
Title up for grabs in that fight, so guys you’re going to want to watch some watson boxing tonight man, we got some great people on here.
We got dempsey, mckean 19-0 against don hinsworth uh.
This is a big one in the heavyweight division um.
It’S probably on right now to be honest, because it should be before the bell these guys, but he’s looking to improve to 20-0 keep his undefeated record uh nelson perez is on there.
I’Ve talked about this kid before to look out for he’s looking to improve uh in the super light to 5-0 thomas o’toole, uh just won his debut in the cruiserweight division.
Uh check him out guys um, you know what actually that fight just ended.
Sorry, i guess uh, he won ko first round.
Oh take some time, yo! That’S that’s just the way it goes.
Man um and then you know tomorrow tomorrow, tomorrow night’s uh, a different um, you know different animal man, we got uh, we got the barrera and ponce de leon card going on which i’m kind of excited for herrera and ponce de leon, yeah uh, barreros, 67 and 7Th 44 knox out makes his dramatic comeback four years after being inducted into the international boxing hall of fame in 2017.
, uh he’s ranked by uh number 43 among the greatest boxers of all time by espn uh.
The babyfaced assassin has captured world titles across three weight divisions and earned 43 consecutive victories at the onset.
Oh, what about me getting known? Never once you shy away from an opponent the pride of guadalajara.
Mexico has battled many of sweet science’s finest, including fellow hall of famer eric morales three times johnny tapia juan marquis, as well as a future ibo effort, manny pacquiao so and then we got de leon, who’s 45 and seven 35 kos also from mexico, will make his Dramatic return to the famed squid circle for the first time in more than seven years, so this is gon na be good man.
If you guys don’t remember these two guys.
These two warriors uh they’re, stepping back in the ring again man to get it on and get it get it popping.
So that’s gon na be a great card.
I just hope they’re doing it because they want to not just because they’re they need the money.
Well, it don’t forget it, it is a job, it’s it’s employment.
It is a job, it is a job and that’s that’s for sure.
Welcome tim, hey, hey paul! How are you guys doing you doing champ waiting for brian to come on yeah we trying to put together some stuff with the youtube and trying to build that up.
Yeah we’re going to be telling we’re going to do a critique of brad scott.
We asked you, you heard you ever heard of brad scott brad, scott brad, scott uh, coach, ufc fighter, grad, hey they never heard of him.
Just like me, [ Laughter ], we’re trying to do something.
He you getting on him right, yeah he’s doing he’s doing a pay-per-view with he’s going to fight d.
k bradley scott, you talking about yeah you’ve got you’re talking about bradley, bradley scott he’s going to fight dko, okay, okay, okay, i can’t have her uh, but before we Before we even move on from this man, uh guys, if you want to see those new and up and coming and young guys uh, you know battling talking you’re going to enjoy this man.
Both these warriors are going to go at it and really, like you know, they’re going to kick some butt man, barrera 67 and seven, possibly on 45 and seven.
Both of the guys haven’t been in the ring in a long time and we’re going to get to see them get in there pound it out then also uh we’ll be watching, live at talk and fight crawford porter, i know you’re.
I know you’re excited for this.
I know you’re excited for this one.
It’S a big battle, it’s a big one.
It is it is.
What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on this one? Who you asking anybody who’s got thoughts on the crawford porter card.
I i’m gon na.
Do it real, quick um? I did, like i said last time, decided to um start following all the fights and and catch up on it.
So um, i don’t know i don’t know they’re both about the same skills yeah.
I think i think crawford has a slightly better skill level, but porter porter, porter’s main square, is that that’s porter.
Has that forever cardio real quick? You know what porter does he just molds into you and with no plan he’ll get out in boxing, then he’ll mold into you.
I didn’t really particularly give him a lot of credit for that because he just don’t.
He don’t show his skills you just get in and bang and push and bang and and okay.
Okay, now, okay, i’m not! I don’t have a decision on that desk.
That’S a bryant! Also on this card.
We talked about at the beginning of the week, graham want to remind everybody out there.
Our our canadian man, patrice vulney uh, is going up against esquiva falco uh and he’s looking to keep his he’s looking to keep his undefeated record um canadian uh funko’s 28.
You know which is gon na, be good man.
I’M excited for this one.
Where is he from volunteers, canadian, yeah he’s canadian man? Where do you think? Where do you? Where do you think the mecca of canada boxing? I meant what part of canada the mecca of canada boxing guy montreal quebec, okay, his name is patrice, patrice, [, Laughter, ], yeah man, but uh this card yeah, it’s gon na, be good man.
This is some good guys on here, uh some undefeateds that are trying to stay undefeated uh, not too many huge names on here, but uh enough, where it’s gon na make up for a good night and definitely uh.
It’S gon na make up a lot of fun for us to watch as we watch it live.
Well, you guys tune in and watch us watch it live on, watching, live on tacofight.
com, yes, so make sure that you guys go subscribe, set your reminder because you’re not gon na want to miss this one crawford, porter watch it live on taco fight.
What’S up welcome brian to the show, hey brian, welcome brian, hey guys, what’s going on good good good to see you my pleasure? What’S what’s new in your world brian, oh boy, um, so um i’ve been talking with uh, bradley scott and uh we’re gon na.
Do a critique of his his punching his striking, obviously we’re not going to critique grappling or his kicking, but we’re going to.
He asked me.
He said um sure he’d love to have tim, look at his technique because he has a big fight coming up on the fourth on pay-per-view, with dk uh you, which is gon na, be a massacre.
I don’t know man, that’s uh, i don’t know how they even gon na allow that fight, but uh it’s way way.
I don’t know if you know who dkyo is.
I heard the name.
Yeah man he’s just kind of uh.
He kind of imitates bruce lee a little bit, but he’s never fought the day in his life or anything, and his boxing is awful.
Looking and i i don’t know and and bradley’s a beast man he’s yeah, they can make, they can make 10 million, and i should i could yeah tim.
I told you you got to be next.
Thank you.
I told bradley.
Don’T beat him up too bad because tim’s got to get his shot at him, we’ll let him get you like beat on you for 12 rounds and and make a big spectacle of it right, but yeah so they’re fighting on the fourth.
They got a it’s gon na, be pay-per-view and everything so sunday, the fifth.
Actually, what’s that sunday december, the 5th? Oh, the fifth, all right.
I thought it was the fourth my bad yeah.
I’M sorry.
I know we know.
I know everybody.
That’S fighting man, don’t worry! [ Laughter, ], so yeah and then i’m gon na have tim.
Look at uh.
We’Re gon na do two different videos, one critiquing uh bradley to see what his skills he brings to that fight because it’s a boxing match and then we’re gon na look at dkyo.
Yao, you, i think you dku you, you you you you knuckle up and when, when is that fight supposed to be, when is that supposed to be december 5th yeah december, the 5th nice nice man big one on fight tv, guys, support mma check that out? Maybe we can um, you know.
What might be interesting is we’re doing a lot with um.
Can you guys hear me? Yes? Oh my my screen froze but um uh.
We do we’re doing a lot with sure dog now and they wanted we’ve been talking with them about doing a podcast.
I would i want to ask them uh.
They haven’t, set the podcast up for um tim, yet they’re trying to actually figure that out.
They’Ve.
Never done anything like that before through their site.
So i wonder if we could watch the fight on your um on your podcast or com watch it and comment on it and have tim on there.
That should be that that would be fun.
Yeah yeah.
We do.
We do that every saturday yeah we’ll do it on the um we’ll do it on on sure dawg, we’ll let all the shirt on people i can advertise it with them.
I’Ll i’ll talk, bring them over to bring them over to talk and fight and watch.
It live on with [ __ ] with them yeah.
We can do it on there and boxing forum 24.
i’ll i’ll talk to both of them and see.
If it’s okay, if we will give a shout out to their channels, we can advertise on them uh.
He has his own thread: tim, the uh boxing form 24 and sure suredog.
He has his own thread.
Uh, it’s a sticky.
I guess they call it so right, right right sounds good.
I’M excited yeah, i’m gon na watch anything and have people watch me yeah.
Sorry guys, i don’t want me to be so conceited.
I am entertaining what can i say tim.
You got the good computer.
I got my old crappy one.
I gave him the light, though he should have gave me this because he was rushing.
I tried to get cash ali to come on.
He said he was going to.
He said he.
He said he has that same old phone, and i told him i said i said you you, you um, you fought.
Why did you buy a laptop, and things like that you got could have got your promoter or somebody to to they put to reward you when you win, that’s those that shows love and everything.
When i was with his rape report and um, and i signed with him after leaving don king, i was a bruise and everything he gave me forty thousand dollars.
One time i told him get my give it give get my um my kid’s mom a car with it.
Then the next time i got a hundred thousand and that, but i was real abused.
I was abused and i just really – and i really feel bad because i i didn’t treat him right.
We still good friends dennis rappaport the rap reporting jones.
Well, he treated me good and and um i just after all letter bruce.
I just i did fight.
I did train did some fights.
I won uh.
Well, the gonzalez fight.
I knocked him out and i had a couple of words.
Then i lost the loose outreach.
I didn’t really train um.
I didn’t train with him, so i feel bad not putting 100 in after leaving don king and this promoter treated me good.
He treated me good, dennis rap report right nice.
He would send bodyguards like people to the camp to make sure we had everything.
That’S what you call a a promoter, a manager, any food, any money it was, it was taken care of, and that and that – and i didn’t even um – i didn’t even take heed.
I was like tim yeah respectfully, that’s another thing.
You know about uh getting our sport put together with the union.
If there’s a complaint that a boxer has with a promoter, he can file a complaint and there’s a process of bringing that information to light for the entire sport, so that boxers aren’t shut aside into a corner someplace and they have trouble getting heard and seen.
Regarding complaints against the powerful promoter yeah well, he he took care of me mark stewart, my very first manager promoter.
He took care of me.
He said we’re going to make that that that mf pay you talk about don king, you know so mark stewart was with us, he got caught, they were selling drugs, then i went to don king and then we went to dennis.
Who was a really good guy.
He took care of jeffy, cooney and um.
I just wasn’t i later on later on.
I feel really bad and we’re still good friends.
Um then there’s a couple other promoters.
I just did fights after that, but but this guy really looked after me and if i had the same mindset as a as when i first started starting, i would be three-time heavyweight champ in the world, not two yeah.
So that’s that’s he’s a really good guy and a lot of people was telling me uh paul.
He was telling me that he won’t be able to get me another title shot.
So when i signed when i signed with dennis rappaport the public boxing people in the public, you know everybody was saying: yo why’d, you sign with him.
He blew his chance to to get you a shot.
Well, he he burned his bridge and i’m like.
I was wondering what they was talking about.
Everybody was saying that and but i never did give it a title shot.
I never got a chatty shot again, um and and even though i won good fights, i didn’t get it so i just i just thought you know.
I called him up and apologized to him that i should have.
I should have trained harder and i did win some good fights with him, but that sticks in my brain man and you know i had a chance to do it for a third time – nice, nice, so there’s fights the fights that are on right now.
Uh, there’s fights on right now over in in uh in england, right right, right now, yeah right now, right now, right now, right now, i’m watching actually don uh haynesworth versus uh dempsey, mckean, uh heavyweight.
You know heavyweight battle man.
These two are slugging it out.
I’Ll.
Tell you this red shorts and black stores yeah, that’s mckeen! He’S uh 19-0 looking to stay, uh stay undefeated man! It’S live on youtube right! Now we can do a live fight right now.
What time is it over in england right now, six foot, six he’s ranked 32nd out of 1139 in the heavy division in the world.
Uh man he’s fought.
91 rounds, he’s a three point: one six percent knockout uh ratio and uh.
You know his career expanded from 2014 to 2021, so far he’s pro as promoter as angelo uh de carlo dicarlo.
What what time is it over in england right now about about one o’clock, two o’clock in the morning, you’re five hours ahead, shania said about one or two o’clock wow.
So there’s a lot of drunk people right now over there, but but yeah.
It’S 12 24.
Over there, okay, she said it’s 12 24.
she’s on yeah yeah, so the main event is probably around one o’clock over there: yeah, okay, no, no, but the fight going on right now is in new hampshire.
Oh, i was about to say: okay, this is pretty late for uk cards.
Oh man, yeah yeah new hampshire’s one hour ahead of us.
Hey mike! I don’t yet.
Can you email me? You know you can email me at um, oh youtube, the one we use the email we opened on youtube because i i we don’t get a lot of email on it.
My personal emails, like i get so much spam myself.
It’S not honestly.
It’S just um.
I know it’s awful uh with the spoon champ at gmail at gmail yeah, that’s the one we use for our youtube channel to open it.
Yeah yeah! I don’t get.
We don’t get a lot of emails.
So it’s clean.
You know you don’t have to go searching through all the garbage, yeah yeah.
Well, so so real quick um, like i tried to get cash on.
He still has that old phone, so he has to talk to ev all the see, i’m the one showed him how to throw over him right.
I think i talked about it.
I was three wins three knockouts with him, and so he called me.
He sent me a hundred dollars 100 bucks.
He sent me a hundred dollars and i put it on the new car i got.
I put it towards the new car, but he’s he’s always he’s calling me asking me questions before the fight richard towers is his current trainer from sheffield he’s a big heavyweight from sheffield richard towers? Oh, you know what well you know him.
You know him.
I heard the name i heard the name towers, the last names so tower.
That’S dennis hopson’s junior is one of his uh former boxers um and um, and you know i’m just he keeps in touch with me and and um.
You know if i was work, i’m the one who showed him that overhand right, if you type some of the fights and he got he he’s, knocking the guys out with the overhand right and – and i told him i showed him how to get the tight defensive Counter off of it, you know as soon as you feel punches counter uppercut as soon as you feel it.
You know, defense blocking the jab throwing left hooks just blocking a one, two papa’s leave it there boom bam.
Yeah.
These guys today, don’t know this kind of stuff right.
A jab boom hook block it up block this way.
So i taught him all that stuff too, but he has one problem.
He keep looking out to the corner and the in the crowd.
Have you ever seen him fight he’ll, get in the clinch and look at people and i’m trying to get him to stop doing that his fame going to come? You know for your overhand.
Do you like the nickname, what false hammer you can’t give me a name? You can’t you can’t make a name for that.
I i got ta give up.
I wan na i wan na.
Do the opening scene to the youtube where you hit uh eckerd, is that the guy’s name andrew i’ll probably go for something like that, he’s putting it together and everything there’s a guy who might design for a tick tock, something like that it’ll, be you just hitting Him with like your hammer, your fist will turn into thaw’s hammer and we’ll put it on tick-tock i’ll.
Go with that.
I don’t know that might go viral.
I don’t know who knows: let’s check it out, so this this the first time really not not the first time.
I really you know, he’s trying to put stuff together on that aspect on that type of uh part of the business building the profile up um.
What was is over is there, but we got ta, enhance it more um.
I never really had nobody doing that and um feels good huh.
We got a thousand plus subscribers.
That’S uh! That’S ridiculous! In one month, we got uh over a thousand subs on youtube, which it usually takes.
Uh average is 22 22 months if you’re putting a lot of material.
So it just shows you how big your name is tim.
I got your good stuff tonight.
Tim.
I don’t drink, we ain’t, no alcoholics paul, don’t say that in front of paul, because that’s me and paul been talking for a long time and i’m not an alcoholic or anything like that.
You’Re up you’re up you’re you’re, one of the original members of the boxers organizing committee and we’re proud to have you on board man.
Hey it’s a pleasure and a charlie.
I i called buster douglas number.
He never answered! That’S why i called uh cash ali, but eventually paul paul.
They asked me to try to get buster on and um.
I tried again, but if you call that guy we probably can get him on, he didn’t hold up him, we’ll get a hold of him.
Okay, so um, you know, that’s that’s what we’re trying to do we’re trying to um we’re trying to get some of them, guys that’s running around with the money trying to get some of them guys to come on.
You know.
So we can we can.
We can uh have a good conversation, even though we’re having one now i’d like to do that through on.
I can ask your dog, i mean there’s tons of professional fighters and journeymen and all that just talk with ryan.
If he can do it yeah we could.
We could do the podcast advertise it there and then i’ll ask i’ll see.
You know if they’d be cool with that i mean you probably could get a massive viewership.
They have that’s a 40 million dollar website and there’s millions of people on there.
I mean sure dog has mma and boxing kickboxing muay thai, but i mean all of them might be interested in it.
You know and say hey, you know, why didn’t you? Why didn’t you cut you off, keep talking after i finished.
Why didn’t you talk to them previously? So maybe you can do something like that.
Well, we i just got to the point where, where they acknowledged, we had to first make sure they knew it was you we did the videos and then i’ve been talking with them.
Seeing what they want to do with us, you know i mean it’s been a month, you know and they had ideas.
I had ideas and i’m saying talking to mike and graham and everybody, oh well, that’s what i mean right.
I had to build a relationship with them.
First i mean now.
I might be there like we’re still talking about.
You know what this should look like.
They’Ve, never had a heavyweight champion, never mind you.
A legend they’ve never had that they had some fighters, but they said a lot of them were very arrogant.
They said they love how humble you are and how you’re willing to just engage all the fans – and you know i mean um, it’s true they.
You know.
That’S what they well i’ll show you the um, the emails they’ve been sending about it.
Just saying they really like that about you.
We do those videos – and you say people’s names, their handles like they all love that so yeah i mean i don’t see why they wouldn’t and um.
You know i mean it’s a win-win.
You know maybe for them too, and you got to talk to the producers of this show right here: yeah yeah yeah! Well, it will make you big time.
Oh no, that will bring you in the celebrity status stay with the podcast another.
Another word that describes tim is a gentleman, so yes whoa, the general giant, hey.
Let’S talk about some other y’all making [ Laughter ].
You see this little thing right here, yeah, when your grandkids got.
You know the run of the grandkids, got you no just bumps.
Ingrown hair, my mom, i’m gon na tell you this real quick.
I had high blood pressure and everything my mom got is ordering these things, two two bottles as two separate bottles.
I forgot the name of it body healing body healing, and i had high blood pressure and i’ve been drinking it for like three weeks now.
I feel really good.
You just take a tablespoon in the morning, a tablespoon in the night and, as my body build up and then i had i had pains around in my kidneys.
They went away.
My mom had co tv whatever it was remember this.
You know with the copd yeah yeah yeah yeah read better now she was coughing every day and then she started taking his stuff she’s, not coughing, no more.
It was sponsored by this company.
So just so, would you say i said you’re sponsored by that you’re giving i got two bottles.
I got two separate bottles, one hailer and his other one, and i take as soon as i get up in the morning.
I take one i take the other and at night time i take one.
I take his teeth with tablespoons and when i get on the treadmill i could do five and left five and a half six now before i could do four or five.
It takes the mucus out, i don’t spit or anything just you got ta contact this company, you got ta, do it, we got ta, get them to sponsor you, and you say this and on our youtube.
You know sponsored by no i’m not joking around.
I’M not joking around i’m serious yeah i’m, but i’m saying that you know that.
That’S what companies love they, they love something nice do you know what the name of it is no his body him, but the name was on it.
Oh man um.
I feel good.
My blood pressure, i don’t feel that feeling i was getting in my head when i couldn’t when when epidemic was gone, i couldn’t get to the hospital.
I was throbbing, my head was throbbing and all, and then my mom said take this.
She said tim.
You don’t hear me coughing no more, i said yeah what happened to that coffin and she said i’ve been taking this and it’s two.
It’S like a bottle, this big and another bottle and i’ve been taking them every day, shut up shania.
She said a lot of people, don’t know about it, but i feel good.
I feel good.
I had pains in here when i had when i had pneumonia and was in the hospital, and they thought it was uh the corona they they took x-rays and saw, and i had tumors like they had like tumors like, and i was feeling kind of like hurting.
I swear i don’t i don’t feel it no more.
I don’t feel it no more and i’m like i’m gon na go.
I’M gon na go get a checkup in about two more months to see about um.
They had non-cancerous like tumor right on this side.
It was nine um, but now i don’t feel nothing.
I’M telling you that stuff is pretty good nice we’re going to talk about boxing yo yeah.
We love talking about boxing.
Come on what you talking about willis yo, honestly, i just watched uh.
I just watched uh mckean uh, just knocked this guy out hard right yeah.
He stopped him.
He stopped him.
He was out on his feet for the last 10 minutes man.
We talking about he’s talking about what you talking about.
Willis he’s got big heavy hands man.
This dark-skinned guy, this man is the next type john haynes and don haynesworth.
Okay, he fight like tyson uh.
He he was kind of like a punching bag.
Tonight, i don’t think that’s the same guy we’re talking about this guy did not look.
No, no no is is alias.
Is mr jbt, this guy don’t have no hair yeah he’s 40 years.
Well, he’s almost 40.
he’s 39.
he’s 6-3 with a 76-inch reach, um he’s 16-18! Oh, no, that’s not! Knockouts he’s been knocked out five times himself.
Okay.
They said this guy’s, the next mike tyson uh he’s coming off um.
I think you’re talking about jared anderson.
No i’m talking about i’m talking about the guy that just yeah, i think tim is talking about jared and yeah sean here and he’s really he’s dark real dark.
Are you looking on youtube right now? No he’s talking about the next mike tyson.
I’M telling you he’s talking about big baby, big baby yeah, the guy from america, yeah yeah, jared anderson.
Did he get? Did he get suspended? No, i know you talking about now.
No the other, the other one, not not gerald miller.
Okay, i know you’re talking about not that baby he’s he’s long gone.
There’S a new there’s, a new big baby yo he’s tough.
He is but we’ll see how tough he is.
If he’s not on every steroid possible.
Oh okay, nowadays man, they got steroids for everything.
Steroids were getting punched in the face; they got steroids for for running faster.
They got steroids for throwing punches faster.
They got steroids to get hit in the head harder.
Like you got them all man, they, the abcd efg club.
They take them all.
That’S crazy! The undercard – i can’t wait for this card to start tonight.
Now the undercard’s been pretty good.
Usually i judge by the undercard how the rest of the card is going to go and uh it’s looking pretty good yeah.
You guys can check it out, live on youtube right now, type in before the bell before the battery android versus quicker, subscribe to the zone’s youtube channel.
It’S up on there, man on live.
You can check it out now, guys, that’s what i’m doing.
Definitely we’re gon na get together, um paul.
What are we gon na do paul? What are we gon na do regarding the union yeah? What’S going on? What’S going on? What are what are the next steps? Paul? I said that i think that everybody pretty much knows that uh when you join together and you have a have a united voice, especially for boxers.
Everybody knows that.
That’S the way to go, and, of course you know when the biggest problem, when you’re organizing a union is that the people that are potential members say well, is somebody going to be upset with me? If i join the union, is the promoter going to be upset with me and say: oh i’m not going to get you any more fights.
If you join the union, we’ve got promoters that have agreed to recognize the union, but again it has to all come together at once.
There has to be a if the promoters are going to recognize the union.
The promoters have to have to also be willing to put boxing into a single corporate structure, and then you have true undisputed championship tournaments and the television rights for that would be in the billions and everybody would win.
So it’s a matter of just doing that and putting it together and there’s no reason.
There’S no reason when you talk about safety and health for boxers, that boxers shouldn’t have a complete say in the business of their sport, along with the promoters when you come to negotiating a contract and that that’s very healthy.
It’S healthy for the boxers and healthy for the sport and it’s gon na happen.
It’S just a matter of when and there’s a lot of fighters that understand it, and i’ve had friends that uh that boxers at champs and former champs that have friended me on facebook and everything else and and they’re there.
It’S just uh, it’s a matter of us.
Putting this together together, not just the boxers, but the promoters, managers, trainers, referees judges and the ranking groups, and this could be good for the ranking groups as well like we were talking about and uh there’s nothing, there’s, there’s no reason not to do it.
None whatsoever.
No, i had a question like with with multi, with with most unions right, it’s it’s about like equaling the playing field across now.
Would would a prize structure come in for each one of these fights that these pro fighters get to to fight for well, like there’d, be like a league minimum of what a professional fighter can be paid every time he steps in the ring? Well, that would be negotiated.
Obviously, you know that that’s one of the things that would be negotiated and talked about right now, there’s no process, it’s between a boxer and a single promoter when he’s getting a fight and if you follow the headlines in boxing right now, boxers are uh.
You know breaking ties with the promoter making ties with the promoter of fighting for this belt, the wbo, the wbc and the ranking groups.
When you talk about the ranking groups, if a ranking group has a say and says: well, if you don’t do this you’re not going to fight for this uh particular belt, well, that’s a definite effect on their employment and uh and those kinds of things you know.
If, if if this thing was put together in such a way where there were going to be a certain sector that was going to hurt, i could see especially a powerful sector, i could see people uh.
I could see problems, but that’s just not so with what we’re doing here: everybody’s going to win if we put boxing into a single corporate structure with true undisputed championship tournaments and a union for the fighters, i’m down with that can’t hear you graham.
I can do that on a global level.
Well, i i you know.
Obviously you know, there’s boxers all over the world.
There’S no question about it.
Um and i think if you were to say well we’re gon na we’re gon na start flying over to to scotland and start talking to boxers.
You know well, if you’re talking about going all over the planet, you’re talking about a ton of money, but right now you know i mean there’s a lot of boxers in the united states, mexico, canada, the united kingdom um [, Music ], you know, there’s a there’s Fighters, russia, there’s fighters all over the place, but if you put fighters into a situation where you have this uh a ranking process, then you can.
I mean i was a club fighter and that’s a tough, tough business.
There’S no question about it, but when you get a ranking system, that’s what television and the fans are interested in is how good the boxers are, and if it’s a legitimate ranking system it would, it would bring tremendous excitement and interest into the sport, and there i Mean there already is interest in boxing, but it would increase it anyway.
I heard you talking about like over overseas and – and i think i said it before – that it’s gon na be really hard uh.
We gon na get america on the right track, but it’s gon na be hard in in the uk.
Those like i was telling before i was in the presence of of uh, some of dennis hopson’s uh boxers and the guy had the contract, and i said, you’re not going to get a lawyer to read this for you.
He said no, i trust him and just signed it, and there’s other and they’ve been loyal to their loyal to the promoters and managers um, and they there’s not like in america, but we we we’re ahead of them, we’re ahead of them, but they’re loyal to the Promoters and the managers, and and and don’t even be getting a lot of money and and and i would say, tim in fairness, heavyweights you can find a promoter, that’s a gentleman and he’s a decent person and he does things the right way and that that certainly Happens, but what you want is you want to process if you’re going to file a complaint, you want that complaint to be listened to.
It’S, not personal, it’s business and if there’s a promoter, that’s doing something to to somebody.
That’S uh, that’s outside of the realm of proper and what’s right and that should be known and there has to be a way of filing a grievance to make your opinion known.
And if you have boxing to work into us, a single corporate structure, then there’s a process for doing that and and and and that’ll, be good.
So how does a single corporate structure work on an international level, though? Well, if you have, if you have, if you have the national hockey league, and you have hockey players from canada and the united states geez, how did they do that? That’S not hard to do.
The only thing that you would have to do is you would have to take fighters.
You would have to have a ranking process, that’s developed with everybody around the world, that’s not difficult as long as you’re saying you’re who’s who, who a fighter fights, what what the? How good is the competition of what a fighter’s fighting so that as they’re moving up once they get into the top 20 of a ranking group, then that is a legitimate process and once the legitimacy of boxers moving up into a structured ranking system, which it should Be anyway, there’s nothing that the fans that would disappoint the fans more than to have a ranking system that was not legitimate, but one of the one of the best things that ever happened in boxing is when we had state commissions that now they’re fighting commissions for The other sports, but but we made these commissions, they kept track of boxers records who they fought, and once you have, because that was and and i met with um senator mccain before he passed away – and we were talking about this – bringing all this together in for Boxing as well, and once you once you legitimize the process of who a boxer is what’s his record, who he’s fought what the records of the people were, that he fought once you have that process which we have now and if we don’t we should have, but For the most part, we have it once you have that, then, as a boxer moves up the rankings, it’s all legitimate, because everybody can fully see and understand who that boxers fought, i met with them too.
We didn’t meet with them together did we? I met with senator mccain yeah.
He was really nice, yeah, really nice.
He was damaged, he was.
He was a real supporter of boxing getting getting himself put together yeah.
I think that the ranking structure exists on box rack, for example, potentially topology, but those are all uh filtered appropriately.
You can go pound for pound or by eat weight, weight, division, male or female country by country.
Uh boxer really made it easy to find out who are the top ranked fighters? Yes and and that’s the kind of stuff that’s good and that’s the kind of stuff.
When you put boxing together into a into a structure, then you could go to a box wreck and say: okay, let’s get everything put together.
So that’s the place we go to to get this stuff checked out instead of saying i mean you know 20 years ago, did we have a box rack? Probably not? No, you had ring magazine, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, see and and again you know when you talk about ring magazine, was a ranking system and have champions and that’s great and that’s tremendous, don’t they have their own belt too? What’S that doesn’t ring magazine have their own belt yep? Yes, they do have a belt yeah.
There you go so there’s another there’s another sanctioning body.
We had an article.
We had an article in ring magazine about what we’re doing and stuff as well and and and the the i think.
The important thing is to bring people together in our sport in our industry and put it together into a corporate structure.
Like all the other major sports art – and we can do this – this is not.
This is not difficult to do.
You got ta get busted douglas on the next week, um paul, you got the guy’s number, i i called, but it just kept ringing, get busted wrong.
We could try to get some more other guys on and then get serious some way when you don’t want to miss here, come on this this this here, uh show here, yeah use it as a platform.
Well, i think something that brian brought up a couple of weeks ago is: what are any tangible benefits you might offer independent boxers right now, who aren’t signed to major deals, and the first thing that came to everyone’s mind was health benefits and or dental benefits? Is there a private plan out there that could be put under the umbrella, if you will of boxing and afford uh people who can’t typically afford it through an insurance plan, for example um, you know the same rights and privileges that any other employee has at any Other giving company so and the first thing that you ask when you talk about medical and dental benefits.
The first thing that comes up is who’s, going to pay for it right as soon as that comes up.
When you talk about putting boxing together and recover structure within it, the television rights for that would be in the billions.
It would be unbelievable, so there is a way to do this.
It’S about bringing people together into a summit meeting where you bring the boxers and the and the promoters and rest of the industry together and and and explain to everybody how this benefits.
Everybody thanks and the fans, but hey, i’m sorry, cutting you off! I’M sorry! No! I’M sorry i’m done.
Oh no, i’m saying brian had was talking about the medical um aspect of it um um.
One time you had paperwork or something like that right, um, i’m not sure uh uh.
No, that was graham.
That was graham.
You did that that’s right! Yeah he had the uh thing for the boxers.
I thought.
Maybe you had talked to him about that.
I i went out into the market and uh broached several ceos of insurance companies and asked them what it would take uh quite frankly, and they said an awful lot of effort, quite frankly, too.
So not a lot of effort.
Well, no, they said it would take a lot of effort.
Okay, okay, so they were echoing what paul was saying in terms of it’s going to take a lot of time, energy and effort to get this first element put to bed and the the first thing they asked me is was how many, how many people are in Your database right now how many boxers are actually under that umbrella right now and what kind of numbers, and so i went to box rack just for fun, uh there’s, i think three thousand dollar professional box in the states uh, three thousand mexico uh.
You know three thousand, roughly speaking uh, i think less in the uk, but nonetheless so roughly speaking, you’re looking at ten thousand uh people in mexico, america, including canada and uh and england or great britain.
So it’s it’s a pretty decent number, but it’s getting those 10 000 people to be aggregated under a single database to be easily accessed and pulled and or signed up to be blunt.
So there’s a lot of work uh still, even in that regard, just to get people interested in knowing what are the benefits of a union and how those benefits could be extended to them simply through in this case, medical insurance plan.
Now is that just um uh, the high level professionals like the 3000, is that the elites like people have a certain level of ranking, or is that literally, how many professionals there’s only three thousand professional fighters in all the united states? Well, technically, anyone with a record yeah anyone with a record right now right now, if you go, if you don’t say box ref, for example – and you just go on box rack – i think they have like 378 pages of boxers that are active right now, that are On the pound for pound list, so their pound for poundless is 378 pages and ends with, i think, uh, 18 uh, 874 and uh.
That person is about to make their debut.
So this is this.
This is constantly being updated, right, yeah and what’s interesting, is that’s a um, so here’s the the positive that’s a very low number to have to you know i’m thinking there’s a mil like i don’t know about the you know how many well, i’m thinking, there’s millions Out there – and i said boy to provide for them, because you’re gon na you’re gon na need to subsidize it.
You’Re gon na have to get the money so, but i mean at 3 000 i mean, if promoted right, it’s not very hard if done right, where companies would donate money to something like that now, of course, you have to give them some um.
They have to have a vis has to be visual for them like it has to somehow.
We have to be a benefit for them, of course, because that’s how they think and uh may well be a tax write-off, but i would not even see 3 000 professional fighters.
That might be.
That might be, very, i shouldn’t say, easy, that’s being arrogant, but not as difficult uh to raise that kind of money for professional fighters, and you know there’s different ways.
They can do that.
I mean i don’t know if they could weird certain companies names who have donated to the uh beginning of the union, but we just see the benefits in the beginning.
You know this is where we come from the thing the thing that’s beautiful is.
I was watching a movie tonight, uh apollo 13 and there’s a scene in apollo 13, where one of the astronauts is where they’re starting to lose oxygen in the capsule and he’s having trouble in this one guy goes yeah geez, i’m getting a little punchy here and You know that term punchy what it means is.
It means in boxing it’s a very dangerous sport, and i i if, if there’s something wrong with me, i have no regrets whatsoever.
I love the sport, but the point is there has to be something there for the boxers and make it legitimate, and nothing would be better for the boxers to know that they’re not looking for handouts.
They earned this and they put money into this process to bring it back to them in terms of benefits.
Yeah, i think i think that’s i mean you.
If you start anywhere, i mean that’s probably the biggest areas to start with just some benefits.
You know here they are right here and that you know the union evolves out of that right.
So that’s kind of the seed that helps grow.
You know you just keep.
Adding benefits into it and before you know it, you know you, you have something like a union blossoming and and – and we will talk some of this stuff, it will be better to talk um privately.
You guys need to have more.
There are some fighters that have come to me that that you would all recognize the names that said that i would support a union and – and it’s very important for us – to get the big boxers and then plan a process where we come out.
At the same time, together – and it’s not pieced me a little bit here, a little bit there and some boxer says: oh, i didn’t say that whatever you know, that’d be the worst thing that you could ever have to bring things together and as far as the Union goes the only part of it to me that i respect is the very word union means coming together and having an invoice having a voice for the employees, and we have that precedent case in the new york supreme court, where they rule that boxers are employees And promoters are employers and once they had that, that was a very important precedent for uh for boxers moving forward towards the union.
So let me ask a question.
We said there was uh three thousand in the u.
s or two two thousand professionals, how many three retail.
So so, let’s say um i don’t know, but let’s say the cost would be to pay an insurance company um for for their benefits right.
So it’s going to be provided for them through.
However, the mechanisms work that we you know monies raised by this beginning of the union.
Whatever i mean, let’s just there’s promoters that pay now for for benefits for boxers and when they have a fight.
That’S that’s done now, so we could.
We could probably put that stuff together into a process yeah.
I think that’s a great, so i’m doing the math here i mean i mean: what’s it three thousand, i think you should be talking to brian um uh a little bit more paul.
Okay, brian has a lot of good ideas, i’m trusting in them right now.
We will tim, we will we’ll be okay.
Okay, yeah go ahead, brian, you finished yeah, one of those uh considering cedric.
Forgive me, but cedric uh as a boxing coach um afterwards, and i’ve got everybody else’s names and numbers.
But i’d like your for you and i to be able to uh contact each other as well.
If we could do that, yes, 100.
Definitely.
Definitely here i didn’t hear that that was sneaky paul.
This thing cut off you going behind my back talking about you tim.
I know you’re not, i know, you’re a good guy.
What did you say to him? I just said i just said: i’d like to be able to i’ve got i’ve got contacts for all you, guys and brian will be in touch, and but i want to talk to cedric as well being a boxing coach because there’s things that that will work along With that as well so yeah man 100 definitely definitely looking forward to that question.
Graham um, what did they say? The average amount a month.
I don’t know if they got this deep per a boxer.
What would they say would have to be paid as the um? The monthly fee for each boxer to have health insurance did they say it all or no.
They they’re not mentioning numbers at all at this stage of the game, because if you look, let’s say five hundred dollars, i’m just throwing that out.
There’S a hypothetical fifty, a thousand whatever they would want.
That’S 1.
5 million dollars right.
I mean that’s a lot of money, but not if you’re, really looking from the perspective of how big it is for an industry.
If you know what i mean that i would imagine – and i don’t know but i’m just saying you know it probably wouldn’t even be that hard to raise that, given you know what it would be going for and how many companies would want to, you know, do Donations promotions or whatever you could even have some type of event that that’s what it’s for.
I mean look at this dku and this other guy are going to have a fight and pay-per-view they’re, probably going to get 10 million right there and brian, and that’s it that that word from brian, that there would be people who have seen all the motion.
Pictures of the boxers – and they know the dangers in the sport, and if there was a process that was legitimate, i’m sure you would get people that are very wealthy people.
That would be willing to put money into a into a into a pension fund if they knew for a fact that every penny in that pension fund would be open to view of how it’s distributed.
Well, what do you think paul about starting either uh? I don’t know like a gofundme, a patreon and say hey: this.
Is the money that’s going to go towards the union just see what kind of movement you can get see? What kind of happens and see what happens right?
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