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[ Music ] welcome friday night fight fans to our friday night panel, we’re working a skeleton crew uh.
Today it is good friday, so unfortunately, you’re stuck with just myself and big mike from knuckle up with mike or for tonight.
Welcome mike always a pleasure to see you.
Yes, you too christian welcome uh.
As usual, i do have a bit of a history tidbit.
I found a weird fight for us to get started off with here, so i thought i’d uh do a little bit of a history lesson here and then we can get into uh this weekend’s cards.
Sound good sounds good.
Let’S do it cool, so this one.
So this uh this this fighter, i want to talk about a little fighter by the name of jack dempsey.
Now i know what you’re thinking didn’t.
We just talk about jack dempsey last week and wasn’t his name even mentioned in passing, maybe even the week before.
That seems like we’re talking about this guy a lot, so most of our fight fans will know the name jack dempsey, but what few people realize is that the world heavyweight champion from 1919 to 1926 actually took his name from an earlier green point.
Middleweight world champion boxer by the name of jack dempsey, and that’s who we’re going to be talking about today, uh now this later uh, so this uh first jack dempsey went later, would later be known as non-perel dempsey uh, which means without equal uh.
In deference to uh, you know there was unbeaten streak into the fact that you know just to keep him and the other jack dempsey separate in the uh mind’s eye.
So non-perel dempsey was one of the first great scientific boxers and is still considered one of the greatest who ever fought so jack dempsey.
The original was born uh near kura in county kildare, ireland on december 15, 1862 and his parents brought him to new york as a child.
Little is known of his early career in those tough.
You know early bare knuckle uh boxing days uh.
He was originally born, though, with the surname of kelly uh, his father passed away, and he took on uh the name of his stepfather dempsey uh in a in a brooklyn daily eagle, old-timers column.
One green pointer remembered that dempsey’s mother raised dairy cows in green point and the jack dempsey would uh, sell the milk around town.
He would later get a job in williamsburg at a barrel factory where he became good friends with another irish-born boxing champ jack mcauliffe.
Now they were often the other person’s corner.
Man and dempsey actually would go on to teach a lot to mcauliffe, who would have a pretty distinguished career himself, so dempsey started fighting as a lightweight and eventually won the first middleweight champion of the world, even though he had at no point in his career.
Did he ever weigh anything heavier than welterweight? Now he often would go on to defeat fighters that, were, you know far heavier than he was so dempsey was not the typical pugilist he was.
You know he was handsome.
He was well spoken, he was mannerly.
Dempsey was also personable and made friends easily and on most occasions after trouncing, an opponent in the ring he was calm and rather indifferent towards the praise being heaped upon him.
Perhaps his greatest weakness as a fighter, though, is his inclination uh to drink too much and underestimate his opponents.
The result was that he would sometimes you know he wouldn’t train, while he would under train for fights.
However, he would usually overcome this with just you know, pure you know tenacity and he would just absorb punches physically.
He was you know he was slender, he was muscular, he was quick, he was agile, had fast hands and a stiff right hand punch.
You know he was crafty and elusive and utilized veins, accompanied with sharp, accurate left, jab now fight after fight his opponents were leaving battered and bruised and cut while he would walk out.
You know was barely a mark on him.
158, pounds of strength, strategy and grace is uh.
Speed and chivalry is what he was described as the again.
The the non-parel of the ring.
Matt fletcher tells a story of a private fight.
That jack goes in with a six foot brought.
You know a six footer who was much larger, fleischer saying that jack was, you, know, cat, quick and danced around and poking him every once in a while with that wonderful left until he just wore the other guy out, he fell over the battling again.
So the battling irishman took place in a lot of unique contests.
Okay, i’m surprised he didn’t take place in a pub wait for it.
Buddy wait for it.
You you you you wishing for pubs here yeah, so so he took part in a lot of weird and unique contests, but the strangest of all was his encounter with johnny regan.
Now this took place on the 13th of december in 1887.
Now this meeting was the climax of a much ill-advised bitterness between the backers of both of these fighters.
This is where the promoters got in and made things messy uh.
The ring itself was a dock of an old barge uh in the long island sound, and the test was supposed to be a fight to the finish.
With bare knuckles, 14 rounds had been fought under london prize fighting rules when the barge, which had been securely, which had been securely moored to two stakes, began to become partially submerged with the rising tide, [ Laughter ].
So this strange ring was that was then cut loose and towed out into the sound so into the water itself.
So now we’re floating here.
Both principles are about to resume fighting when a squall struck, the ring and heavy snow uh heavy snow shower covered the deck of this floating rig, so a truce was called at the time and the party went ashore.
Somebody remembers at this point in time.
An old boat house about 20 miles away and 20 miles away and a heavy trudge through driving snow brought.
This group of you know people the fighters and the backers and everything you know a much more cheerful surrounding they’re in the boathouse, an obliging landlord put out some hot drinks for them, and then the men were soon back trading punches with onlookers sitting around a bar And you know, shouting advice from between drinks all seems quite uh, quite congenial at this point in time.
Another 16 rounds in almost an hour of fighting later were finished off.
One word came that there were a couple of policemen down the road uh.
You know disdaining heavier clothing, the uh, the fighters plunged off into the woods and their followers found them a clearing somewhere in the snow uh.
Now, at this point, dempsey and ragan fought to a finish in the 45th round when the referee finally called time.
But reagan was unable to continue now it was the end of over four hours of heavy punching with on almost didn’t remember.
This is a bare knuckle fight.
Almost anything goes back in these days except uh, so and that’s with the exception of biting and kicking.
So you know no doubt some of our present day uh champs, would look rather sheepishly at the prospect of a four hour mix-up with a 20-mile walk, just in the middle for a breather and fighting on a barge at that much right like wow.
Well, remember: this thing started off being tied off to a dock and staked into the river and, as the tide came up, all of a sudden, the water started coming up over into the ring, so they cut it loose, so it would float properly out into the Water, when it got stuck by a snow squall and everyone almost went into the water that way so like, then they bugger off 20 miles down the beach to.
Finally, if i get broken up by the cops, so they end up fighting bare knuckle in a field by the end of it.
That’S again, one of the weirdest fights that i’ve ever come across.
That’S pretty crazy! That’S pretty crazy! Well, that being said, i guess uh.
You know it’s time to move into the cards this weekend right.
Well, i’m only aware of the one big card happening this weekend.
What else are you doing? They’Re here yeah they’re hearing the hearing fronting cards happening but uh before that, let’s talk about you know we had we had uh, you know the champ zab jude on uh, it’s the launch, it’s the launch of his uh celebrity championship boxing tonight actually or on the Third right on april 3rd um, it’s got a good undercard.
It’S got a few uh.
You know it’s got about uh four, four fights on the undercard uh thundercard starts at eight o’clock.
Uh you got um uh, bowen versus uh jenner.
You got holden and cut and mouse versus crispin fletcher versus white, and then we get into celebrity matchups, where you have blanca versus blanca, lafina, uh, raspberry versus young steph, uh, avery versus left cheek and the main event is don bishop versus slap for cash, and it Can all be watched on fight tv and uh yeah? You know, that’s, that’s our.
You know we we’ve had mr zab jude on champ and uh.
You know it’s the launch of his new.
You know boxing league ccb celebrity championship boxing guys make sure you check that out.
You know we support.
We support the people that support us.
So definitely we’re going to push that, but uh yeah the big card uh the big card this weekend.
Man is the uh.
The herring, frampton and um, you know that’s going to be it’s going to be good man.
That’S history will be made, you know um.
I was actually wrong.
There are two cards this weekend i was i was.
I was incorrect.
There’S there’s the uh dubai card, which is the herring frampton, but there’s also eddie hearn’s match room in uzbekistan coming from tashkent in uzbekistan, where the wba and ibf super bantamweight titles are on the line.
Yes, yes, i was going to talk about their card as well.
Oh sorry, i’d forgotten that what was happening! Sorry, don’t cut you off, so history will be made because this one in dubai, um herring, is putting on his wbo junior lightweight world title on the line against belfast former two-weight world champion carl.
The jackal frampton at caesar’s.
Blue waters, dubai uh – this will be dubai’s first, ever first world title belt and if frampton is victorious, he would become the first irish boxer to become a three-weight world champion.
So there’s a lot of big a lot of big things happening on this card.
It’S gearing up to be really, you know a really good card.
I think you know you’ve got uh mckenna versus uh durov for the junior.
You know for junior welter belt.
You got another, not belt bout uh.
Then you have um uh paguera, but uh his his opponent hasn’t been determined yet still to be announced and that’s a junior featherweight match and then we got uh uh nidis versus uh cara ello for gorilla.
That’S that’s the other one.
That’S that’s! Probably the most interesting one on the undercard yeah that particular yeah, it’s it’s it’s gon na it’s gon na.
It’S gearing up to be a good.
It’S gon na be a good event.
You know uh we’re gon na see a lot of a lot of a lot of bashing around here man.
I hope to see some big knockouts, definitely uh, but yeah that that’s gon na be that’s gon na, be a good.
That’S gon na be a good fight.
I’M excited for it um.
I believe i believe it was um who was at the center.
He just hasn’t fought in two years for that undercard by the way he just hasn’t fought like two years so yeah, and i also – and i also heard rumors – that somebody’s gon na retire, if they don’t win so wow so well, we’ll see we’ll see what happens In this in this card in this card to come, which i’m gearing up to watch, i can’t wait.
It’S gon na be exciting uh.
There were a couple of cards that i watched um.
You know over the last few nights, uh one was in sinaloa uh, the other one was um, i believe in argentina uh i’ll get to those on the weekend.
When we do.
The recap show, i guess, we’ll actually know it’ll be easter sunday, so we probably won’t be doing.
That recap show yeah.
I don’t think i think we’ll probably have to take this week off for that one.
Actually, i was surprised, but we’ll see right now see what happens, but all the fans out there they’ll hear the outcome of all of it.
No problem for sure and then there’s the uh that next card the matching card right um, i’m not sure it’s coming out of the tashkent in uzbekistan, actually just uh just today, uh the aiba the internet.
I know you don’t necessarily follow the amateur stuff as much as i do, but the uh, the international amateur boxing association announced uh just uh yesterday that they’re using tashkent where these card news pakistan’s taking place uh tomorrow as the location for the world, the men’s world.
Boxing championship for 2023.
, okay, big international tournament, headed for the same city – they just announced it today.
Well then, i guess uh uzbekistan’s got a bunch of stuff going on eh, oh yeah should be uh should turn out to be a really good one.
There’S also there’s also uh, there’s also another fight uh another fight card happening in sinaloa.
Excuse me: that’s gon na be a big card.
It is televised on uh, usa fight tv uh, that’s the uh, lester martinez and gabriel lopez card for the vacant.
Wbo latino middle title and uh that card’s gon na be huge man.
It’S gearing up to be pretty massive, there’s about eight fights on that one as well.
So you know there are a lot of fights going on around the world um.
You know there’s that that those guys down in mexico man, they really bash it out.
I did watch one of those fights last night.
It was a small little event, three card fight and i’ll tell you.
It had me on the edge of my seat the whole time man.
These guys really know how to go to town and really really really smash smash each other out.
You know so it’s gon na be it’s gon na be an excellent event.
I know that um i’m excited for it for sure we also have another event happening down down in uh, atlanta and um.
One of our gentlemen – that’s been on, our show is definitely going to be on there fighting.
I hope i hope we can like definitely get some uh.
It’S marty, jones’s debut.
We just did an interview with him this week on knuckle up, he’s debuting against uh albert albert delgado.
I hope we can get the uh the viewership for this man.
I definitely want to see it uh we got ta support.
You know our people that we had on the show it’s gon na be a great event.
I’M excited christian, i don’t know if you have anything you want to add to these cards that you’re excited.
I’M curious what your thoughts on last week’s cards i haven’t heard.
You weigh in on what uh what happened last week.
You know i watched i watched a few of them last year, any particular card that you want to talk about from last week.
Well, the big one, obviously [ Laughter ], the big one, obviously, which big one would that be christian.
If i’m a povetkin yeah, you had some thoughts going into that fight.
I’M curious what your thoughts afterwards! Now, honestly, it was it.
You know what it was just it was it was.
It was a good fight man, it was a good fight.
Um i enjoyed it white white, oh man, honestly.
I needed that he he needed that there was.
There was no walking away on that one for him.
I was gon na put his career back like three four years if he or that at his age was 33.
That probably would have been the end.
He wasn’t going to see another title match another time, but here’s but here’s the thing now.
Here’S the thing, though, right because of all the all that’s going on in the heavyweight world with you know the this is the year of unifications right.
Everybody wants to unify, unify something we’re looking at.
You know joshua and tyson are tying up the unification match, but we got all these guys sitting in the background now just waiting for a fight right.
So like white.
Now that he’s won and b povetkin he’s got this chance to fight for a heavyweight championship and they’re all tied up, so we’re gon na see what’s gon na go on with it man, because, honestly and truthfully, you know we we need.
We need this tyson, fury and and joshua fight to happen so that we can get a lot of people that are sitting waiting to have those title: shots against the heavyweights, man and the longer.
It takes the longer that these guys are sitting around doing nothing.
And it’s just tying everything up.
We just need to get these fights done, man, but honestly that pavek in a white fight white.
Yes, he came through he needed exactly.
You know he needed that win.
I’Ve never seen a man swing for the fences so hard.
In my life to be honestly like he was swinging like he was trying to take his head off, which, which was leaving them open for that vicious uppercut.
The povetkin throws he got lucky a couple of times on that one actually yeah yeah.
He did he.
He missed, he must get knocked out a few times man, and that was a big that was a big big fight man and honestly yeah.
That was a big fight of the weekend.
It was great i loved how it went uh.
You know povetkin just looked like he kind of gassed out near the end.
You know it’s uh, it’s just the way it went um so we’ve got someone here wants uh, wants your thoughts on a couple of fights you’re coming up on the 10th there mike.
I don’t know if you see those on your screen, because one of those fights that first one that’s mentioned there is going to be the scheduled for the 10th.
That’S the ibf world super flyweight title coming up on the 10th between jonathan javier rodriguez and uh, who is that there and uh and heroin and sarahs well and carl and cajus? I don’t care, you know names, uh yeah, i guess um.
You know what honestly it’s uh, it’s anybody’s game for that fight.
Uh, i don’t know, i’m not too sure who’s gon na win, uh, i’m definitely gon na yeah.
You haven’t done the research on that one.
Yet i haven’t done the research on that one.
Yet it’s uh, you know i’ve been researching so much.
I haven’t even gotten to the 10th, we’re only at the third uh.
I’M definitely going to check that uh check that card out for sure there are a couple of my matches on there.
That interest me, but i will i will definitely look into this one and you said that’s for the ibf ibf yeah: that’s the ibf uh world uh super flyweight uh title going up well from the rumors i’ve heard it’s going to it’s going to turn out to Be a slugfest, that’s that’s what i know these guys are both.
You know both great athletes.
I don’t know too much about them.
I haven’t done too much research on them, but i know that these guys, they they do, have the heart and they do have the drive and the stamina and the ability, those fairly new guys, both fairly newcomers, both sitting on you know, 22, wins, 23, wins a Piece kind of thing, so we’re not looking at super long careers yet but yeah, okay, so definitely you’re gon na have to do some awesome work on that winner, because we’ve got uh naruto here once uh wants details on that fight and you’re gon na have to Give them to them before that fight happens.
I i definitely will.
I definitely will for if you’re watching out there make them that promise that you’re.
No, i promise you.
I will look into this fight.
You can definitely tune in to knuckle up before i will.
I will talk about this.
If we do the sunday show, i will definitely be talking about it on sunday.
Just you know, make sure you stay tuned in we’ll.
Definitely look into this card we’ll look into that fight for you and i’ll give you my thoughts on who, i believe, is gon na win that one uh.
So you know what that being said.
You know it’s it’s easter! It’S good friday! It’S uh! 7.
– i don’t know where your children are.
I don’t know where mine are but uh you probably should.
Okay, you probably so you should go.
Look into that.
You should look into that yeah.
I probably should i probably shouldn’t anyways.
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