DOPE Broads | The Sugar Show with Natalie Brown | Talkin Fight

As always, Natalie discusses the real side of women’s boxing and in this episode, she calls out the DOPE broads.

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Transcribed:

Foreign, hey you guys! It’S your sugar here! You know what time it is.

7.

30 on a Wednesday night.

It must be time for the sugar show where me Natalie, sugar brown meet you like me.

We get to sit down and talk about women’s boxing.

I am Natalie sugar brown.

I am a woman, boxer, woman pugilist.

I have been in the game for several years, I’m an old crone, and this is my platform to chat with you guys and give you an authentic perspective of what it is in women’s boxing and what a woman boxer life is like.

Okay and you know uh, I I love when my Misfits chime in when you guys uh come in and start chatting away, and you don’t have to know about women’s boxing to join the conversation.

That’S what I’m here for right and sugar may not know everything, but she know.

What’S up, I tell you that much okay, so [ Music, ] um, jumping into the conversation about tonight’s topic.

Okay, tonight’s topic is dope broads now um.

I don’t know how long the episode is going to be and um, depending on how long the chat is.

But you know I got some information that I want to share with you like to hear it here.

Go Okay, so, in light of I don’t know if y’all are paying attention to this because you got ta, you kind of got ta really like boxing to be paying attention to.

You know these these names and stuff like that Eddie Barrington! Hey you time! We here! Okay, then who’s.

We, though we hear me and you my face, is in the place, and I certainly am excited Eddie – that you’ve shown up um and um.

You know that what a what a great time to get this party started Eddie, so tonight’s topic is dope rods.

Okay and in light of the whole, like I said, you got to be in boxing to kind of uh, be on certain some of these stories.

There was supposed to be a fight with between um Chris Eubank and uh junior and Connor Ben Jr; okay.

So these are two sons of former uh world champion Fighters: um based out of Europe, okay and uh.

Coincidentally, uh, with the exception of Conor um, you know Eubank uh junior, his father is Chris juban uh Chris Eubank and Nigel Ben’s son Connor Ben we’re gon na Clash, except somebody’s test, came back dirty, so it sparked the it it sparked the flame or it.

It sparked my interest and what the talk, what the real talk is uh in women’s boxing about this dope stuff.

But this dope know what I’m saying, because guess what the broads are doing it too, and I name it no names, because sugar, ain’t, no snitch, okay, but it’s a topic that needs to be talked about because it’s real and with the with our industry, growing.

Okay, just as the good is growing so is the not so good, okay and and we wan na we wan na, keep it real all the way, real.

All that we attending with you know all the people who take interest in what we do, because you know that dope stuff ain’t Fair there there’s a lot of uh athletes in general out there, taking the easy way out using this dope stuff to enhance their performance And sometimes they get away with it and they’ll win, and sometimes they don’t but Sugar’s here, because in women’s boxing they ain’t checking the receipts right.

I don’t want to call no names and I don’t even want.

I don’t want to call names that have already been said.

Why? Because I ain’t a finger pointer, okay, um.

What I want is for my people, my Misfits to chime in you tell me um who’s, that you know if you find uh the names out there.

Who’S names have come up synonymous with pets, performance enhancement, drugs, okay, I know it’s really big down there in Mexico.

I’M not even lying and y’all know you know, there’s some there’s just some Fighters that whose name ring synonymous side to side with uh these, these performance enhancement, these steroids.

Okay, I had a a a a friend who was a close uh, not a close friend, but a friend who was a Bach.

We boxed together and um.

She went to Europe, okay, I’m not sure this name.

I mean this story may sound familiar, but this this happened a while ago, okay um, where she went over to Europe, Germany, um specifically and back in those times.

You wouldn’t want to go to Germany and beat nobody.

You wasn’t going to go to Germany and win no fight.

Okay, the system just had it you’re not going to go in that their territory and come out with that.

W okay.

But what had happened was um, my friend, because I’m gon na call her.

You know she she was a friend.

She gave me rounds um, you know we weren’t die hard, but you know like she.

She supported sugar.

She she was there and she supported sugar gave sugar rounds when she needed rounds to get ready for her fight and stuff.

Like that, so you know, I call that a friend because boy, it’s hard out here, especially for a woman boxer, especially with these punks out here, who don’t want to give rounds? Who don’t want to do no sparring, you know, so you a lot of the time.

I had to spar with the men and males you know to get my rounds in because of my the the women were not trying to do that.

You know give rounds and and help each other out.

But anyway I digress home girl went over to Germany and she fought one of their darling um.

I believe it was Regina, helmich or something yeah, and did she not only did she win.

She busted her uh, Regina up so bad and broke her nose.

Yeah um.

You know what I’m gon na use my trusty I am going to.

I know I should have the name there, but you know this.

We we got ta talk about this.

We we want to talk about this um right, I’m looking up, I’m I’m like doing this.

In real time, looking it up, okay, all right! So this uh, my friend now fella boxer out of Georgia.

Okay, she went and um fought: oh okay, so it wasn’t Regina helmet, sorry I’ll! Take it back um! She went and bought silk wake.

Uh wickenmeyer in in Germany, okay, and not only did she beat silk weckenmeyer, who was 15, wins three losses and four draws at the time, but she broke her nose and several ribs okay, so she went over there with the guarantee that listen if um.

If I don’t win this, I’m gon na make sure homegirl leaves out of here in a body.

Bag and people know that she’s going yeah that I was the winner anyway, [ Music, ] um, of course, before she left Germany and before um before you leave any fight directly after any and all fights you have to give a sample.

Okay, you have to give a urine sample just uh immediately after for things, for them to be clear on what your uh situation or would you you know how clean you you were when you were actually fighting okay, so in doing that, her test came back dirty And so um, not only did she um, not only did she her test came back dirty, but um.

They also tried to yeah.

Take her license away complete.

I think they took her license come away completely from um boxing in Europe, so it was really tough.

I mean that’s a really severe and and tough um, it’s severe and and tough consequence right, because back in those times the money was made in Europe, especially Germany, whether you win or lose.

If you go went out there and you performed you, you can make some good money out there.

Okay, so you know they, they cut her water, but I I share that story to say this.

You know um it doesn’t it.

It doesn’t.

Um women are not excluded from the whole steroid talk, especially women in boxing okay, because people are going to do what they got to do to win and that’s the easy way out.

Boxing is really hard.

Boxing is really hard.

Okay and I’m not telling you this because you know I’m trying to Hype my sport up or anything, I’m saying that it’s hard, because the the discipline of it okay, the discipline of waking up doing the work, the grueling training, okay, it never feels like you’re having A good day, it really doesn’t because you, the the the the type of training, what boxing training is, is you’re, trying to extend yourself past your breaking point every every day, every day, every day, okay and so extending yourself past.

Your Breaking Point is you: you’ve got a it’s uncomfortable, it’s uncomfortable, okay, Michael or hey, Mike, hey, Mike uh, chimes in and says.

That’S why you don’t play boxing.

I mean if that ain’t, the gospel truth.

If that ain’t, the gospel right, you can’t you can’t play boxing.

People do play boxing, but you can’t play boxing.

Okay, uh, like I said, the life of a pugilist or boxer, is there’s.

There’S no easy day.

There’S really no easy day.

You are extending yourself every day, because what you’re training for is that person that intends to break your will.

Okay, and if your will, if you can break your own will, then you can’t be sure about the other person what they got coming.

So you every day, that’s your insurance, your training, okay, you’re, you’re eating the way you eat your discipline.

That is your insurance that I got me when I’m in there and it’s just it’s just me, because you can’t count on the ref and you certainly can’t count on your opponent right.

It’S just you and whatever you believe in right, and you got to be sure that whatever you believe in is based on the work you put in okay, so a lot of Fighters.

You know, or a lot of people get in there and my a lot of my my coaches previously used to say yup when you walk up those steps into your corner.

If you ain’t been living right, okay, meaning you ain’t been running, you cut weight the wrong way.

Okay, you’ve been having bad all of those things start coming back and compounding in your mind.

Okay, um Michael Orr, says the ones that play boxing get g-checked real, quick.

Okay, before you even but before this somebody check you, you checking yourself in the corner.

Like I said you know, you’re you’re thinking I mean it’s happened to me right, you’re thinking about.

Oh that those days I didn’t run.

Oh you know I stayed up.

You know.

Oh, I I I didn’t make what I wasn’t eating.

You know things like that.

All those things come to you in the corner and it’ll make or break you for that fight.

Okay, the best fight, because no fighter can say I had the perfect fight right, but the most perfect or Perfection is when you stand in the corner, and you said I did everything I could to be here – that’s the best feeling.

Okay, that’s the best feeling right.

I gave all that I have every day I could until I got here so when you stand there and you looking at the other side right, you know that if they beat you or whatever happened, that mofo earned it because I put, I put it all – okay And that’s why it’s um people used to tell people used to ask me: why do boxers hug at the end? You know why do they hug and shake hands at the end they just finished beating the crap out of each other y’all, don’t get it right? It’S a higher understanding right.

It’S not, I mean some people think I’m going there.

I’Ve had I’ve had um matches where I go in there wanting to beat a [ __ ] ass.

Excuse me excuse me wanting to put my hand wanting to put the Beats on somebody.

Excuse me, foreign, my apologies, you guys.

I went and got parts that thing tried to take me out.

Okay, so you know I have had fights where I had beef and I’m looking at the other side of the ring, and it’s about me beating her ass.

Okay, that’s that’s what I want and I’ve had fights where I’ve looked on the other side of the Ring and I’m looking at this broad where I’m like.

Okay, let’s see what you got because I know what I got right and at the end of the fight, it’s who extend it.

It’S did she extend.

Did she make me extend myself? Am I a better fighter because of this fight a better fighter, meaning did I learn something about myself in this in this encounter in this matchup? Okay, did she like she? She was dotting my eyes and crossing my tears.

I had to be sharp.

I had to go into myself and my I had to go into my bag of tricks and come out and make new tricks to win this match.

You got ta hug abroad or you got ta hug another Fighter for that, because you came out better you’re a better fighter because of them right, and so I mean I’m kind of diverting from the topic.

But we’re going to get to that.

You all know sugar shows are are pretty long, but while we’re talking about you know this, let’s talk about it, because this is just as a person as a person right.

That’S why people say um boxing is: is therapy right, because this is the part that that that um aligns with that concept of therapy.

Boxing, like I said you know it’s every day, you’re extending yourself every day, you’re pushing yourself to the Limit to to be more resilient, to be stronger, to be better right in in in and grow it’s a constant growth.

Okay and growth is uncomfortable right.

There’S! No! There’S no, if my mom used to tell me this when I was a little girl until growing up, she said if you feel comfortable doing anything you’re trying to do you ain’t doing [, __ ]! You got to feel uncomfortable because if you feel comfortable you’re complacent, you already know the answer dive deep go to that place where you got ta, find out right, go to that place and and extend on what you already have right and that’s what growth is.

That’S the therapy, so I mean that mentality has helped me tremendously in and out of the ring, Michael or chimes in saying boxing is the best therapy, there’s no greater stress remover in the world than punching someone in the face: [, Music, ] um.

But my coach Gantt used to say this coach Johnny Gantt used to say this uh, just just as much as you want to relieve some stress punching somebody in the face just know somebody trying to punch you in the face.

There is relieves some stress, so you might want to smarten up with this with how you relieve stress.

Okay, so I mean my stress relief as a fighter.

Wasn’T so much punching anyone right.

My stress relief was me being able to manifest all of my frustrations into the work into running hard into punching that bag of heart into my push-ups into my Pull-Ups right me me translating all of that into you know just that that physical work, where, at the End of the night or at the end of the because I I trained four times a day at the end of each training session, I was done right.

I had thought if it was a if it was um me watching tape right if it was me uh, remembering strategy looking at the strategy board, whether it’s me conditioning whether it’s me sparring whether it’s me on technical work right, I I push my brain.

I push my brain and my body to work together until I had no more right, and so when the fight came around the fight was easy right and it it really took a special Broad to make uh.

You know, and – and there have been to take me out of that Comfort, because I’ve made myself uncomfortable every day right and I was comfortable being uncomfortable, um Michael Orr said exactly thank you baby.

So I’m glad that we’re on the same page there.

You know what I’m saying um, you know if you as a fighter it just.

I always say this: you being a fighter, is a lot deeper for men and for women, even for children who participate for senior citizens who participate because being a fighter being a a pugilist, a boxer is I mean it’s not like MMA, I mean I’m sure.

It’S a martial art, you know karate and Jiu Jitsu and all that good stuff.

You know what I’m saying, but there’s just something about boxing that changes a person and it it really changes a person for the better it.

It brings that humility because you realize that it’s only you are the only thing you got.

What you have is all you have to give right, and so what you have to give depends on the work you put in right.

Can nobody put in work? You can’t take the credit for nobody’s work.

You got to put the work in so you can get whatever it is that you want out of it.

That’S why it’s so addictive.

That’S why? But then we have the cheaters.

You know the people who dope right and I want to break down what this dope does to an athlete, especially a boxer.

My coach coaches used to say you know sugar, because I I used to be really um.

I I I’m not even gon na lie.

I used to be concerned about broads who dope right, because you always feel like.

Oh, my gosh they’re going to be much stronger, they’re going to be brolic they’re going to be you know they, the dope turns them into superhumans, but at the end of the day I mean my my um coaches used to say that Dopey they’re gon na make You a bigger dope right or it’s going to make you a stronger dope, meaning this in boxing skills pay the bills.

If you are skilled and and you can and you can really maneuver in there and you have your general ship and – and you know what’s going on in there – okay – That Dope now may make your opponent more um have more endurance, their punches may be harder.

Okay, they may be a bit more intense as far as the pace of how the fight goes, but if you have prepared still as a fighter your knowledge, your skill, set.

Your understanding of what you can do in dear will always Triumph okay.

So I’m not going to say it doesn’t make a difference.

It does right, but it don’t take you out the fight now with this doping situation.

Now they have, you know, there’s a policing there.

There are policing entities that do that, but you have to be like a ranked fighter.

Oh a world-ranked fighter for in order to be policed and y’all know Sugar’s, always talking about these receipts and checks and balances.

Okay and I’m Gon na Shine a Light into the situation with us women because uh, you know no one checks our receipts.

Okay, so uh women out here doing whatever the hell they want to do them and their teams.

Okay, that’s number one number: two, I’m not even gon na lie to you, the more money you make: the better drugs you can take.

Okay, so a lot of these Fighters and drugs, meaning we’re not talking about drugs or whatever drugs can even me mean you know.

Just recovery supplements, you know, uh drug drugs can mean anything that enhances your ability to perform performance enhancement, drugs, so supplement any of those things that um give you an edge over other Fighters that are not.

You know that you don’t inherently have genetically is a is a performance enhancement drug now some of these enhancing drug, yes, performance, enhancing drug there.

It is Michael.

I said it right.

Okay, so um about my father’s business, Chimes and hey you.

What’S going on hey um, I’m in the building good to see you in the building about my father’s business.

We got Eddie, Barrington and Michael Oher here and for the conversation and we’re talking about dope broads we’re talking about broads who dope or who are doping.

Now I’m not going to call no names, but I’m I’m talking about the effects of doping and dope in women’s boxing, because no one checks our receipts.

Okay and the ones whose receipts actually do get checked are only the ones who are ranked.

Okay and as I’ve explained before, there’s a lot of politics in being ranked, but there are policing bodies, you know so um one of the policing bodies is the voluntary uh anti-doping agency, okay, and that agency has partnered up with a lot of the other um with The other six um bodies that we talked about um we’re we’re specifically I’m going to name the four big bodies.

So what it? What is it you guys WBA IBO, uh, W uh, b, f and WBC? You guys, I mean check, check my balance now.

Let me know right, so those are um, you know the big bodies and um they work with the voluntary anti-doping agency, and with that you know we’re not talking about amateurs.

We we talk about Pros.

Um is where the fighter voluntarily signs up in a registry to be tested, randomly um for performance enhancing drugs.

Okay – and this can I mean this – is a monthly thing: okay, so eat every month.

Every month it’s a lotto lottery every every month.

Your ticket just might be drawn okay, so you got ta.

You got ta act right, okay, some of them, though you know, there’s a science to this doping thing.

You know there is a science so and and the the thing about the science of it is that’s.

What a boxing team is, you know when you get to Pros your team consists of all the individuals that is going to help you um get an edge or or help you be straight in in your journey, uh to become and and maintain being a champion.

So you may have a doctor: okay, you may have a nutrition.

You may have somebody on your team who know about this dope [ __ ], okay, and they know how to incorporate it into your um training.

You know they know when there’s a loading period.

You know, and then they know when there’s a period that you’re off of it, and you know that they know that stuff, okay with the men.

That’S why so much money! Big money is in this because yeah the dope dealers are getting paid too right.

It’S it’s! It’S a fantastic industry because there’s so many layers to the onion all right, there’s a um it it’s not fair, but it is fair in a sense you know: um, you just got ta know how to play the game.

Okay, so I’m not calling no names, but some of your favorite Fighters have been on that dope or is on that dope.

Okay, so um we have the voluntary anti-doping agency, who is one of the policing that one of the main policing authorities right each fighter? Who is ranked is: is uh registered.

They get checked monthly, okay, um now, there’s a program called the clean boxing program, which I I’m making um chatting about, and this program is um.

This this program is a part of the WBC sanctioning body program: okay, where um all the members under the WBC umbrella, all of the all of the fighters who are ranked and registered um they get um.

They get uh drawn okay, so they get chosen.

They have to give samples, because the um, the we’ll call it the VA uh D.

A, the voluntary doping agency – coordinates times with them to pop up on somebody’s ass for a sample right.

So somebody could be.

I mean you could be at home.

You could be somewhere like they know where to find you, okay and they are going to roll up on you and they’re, going to ask you for that.

Pee, pee and you’re going to have to go with them and give them that P.

Okay and from what I understand you get two you get two tries, so you give a sample a and then you give a sample B.

Okay and you’re, hoping I mean these are at these – are within the same window within a reasonable window of time right.

But you have enough time to um redeem yourself.

If I mean we, we should call it that way with a B sample.

Okay, now, if a sample comes out dirty, okay or tainted, then there’s a procedure that in includes an investigation of everything relevant to that case.

Okay, I am gon na bring in I’m gon na bring in um Virginia punches, um, [, __, ] or Futures.

Whatever her name is um, I’m sorry to say, y’all know Sugar’s bad with names, because that one was a pretty popular uh story.

You know that was that one was pretty um that the the understanding of what her situation is has been pretty plain out there.

Okay, so her test came back dirty.

This was for her.

You know in in as an amateur in the Olympic realm, and she said.

Okay, that she her her test or samples were tainted because she got um.

She somehow ingested, uh performance enhancement, enhancing drugs through um from her boyfriend through sex; okay.

So whatever she ingested had that dope in it, which I mean that’s a slick way to get out of it right, but I really you know I I don’t know I wouldn’t have.

I don’t think she should have gotten the okay and that’s okay sweetie.

I don’t think you know she should have gotten that pardon okay, because you know your man taking dope.

That’S your man and that’s.

This is how it usually runs.

If the man, if, if you got a friend who dope most likely your friend friend’s friends, is all doping? Okay, that’s how that works? Okay, so I told the story earlier about on my the old friend of mine who she ended up going to Germany and she she um damn near killed that girl in Germany and they they tested her before she left German ground and her stuff came back dirty.

Okay, so on the way back, you know because there’s an investigation, her boyfriend and all everybody who was around her were and was investigated on, okay, and it turns out her boyfriend.

You know was into that dope stuff right, so that situation there about my father.

Business says why, about my father’s business says: wow yeah wow, you know what I’m saying um I mean it could be.

Can it be the other round? How would y’all feel I’m asking everybody who’s you know in on the conversation could um any of our Champions.

Now male Champions now say: oh, my test came back dirty because I was having sex with my boyfriend or my girlfriend.

I ingested tainted fluids that would bring back um that would make my tests, or my samples dirty is, would would that be a uh, an appropriate excuse for uh your test coming up dirty, I mean y’all, tell me out here right.

So that’s why I said in women’s boxing receipts aren’t really checked right, because I mean any any of our guys.

It’S got to be.

You know, one hand got to watch the next.

You know um one of the guys say.

Oh my boyfriend.

I I ingested through sex with him or through sex with my girlfriend.

I ingested pets and, oh I’m sorry, my stuff come well.

If you’re ingesting it, you you getting the benefits of it: okay, um! Maybe maybe you doing it often enough where you can tag team in all right, baby, you’re, taking your pets because we’re gon na go to the bedroom, so you can administer whatever you know what I’m saying I’m trying not to go there, but it’s a conversation right.

So we, you know we’re coming back to um this this.

You know this.

This ped talk and uh we’re we’re talking about it because, like I said, uh women in women’s boxing, the receipts aren’t um, aren’t checked.

Okay and um.

You know the what I want to go through is you know the things that are considered because these all the bodies know they know what’s going on out here.

They know what’s going on out here.

Okay about my father’s business, comes in and says, maybe if they can find out if it came second hand, and so yes about my father’s business, that’s what they’re saying it came second hand of, for example, Virginia fudge right.

She said she ingested the dope second hand through sexual activity, with her boyfriend, who was actually taking performance, enhancement, drugs, so she’s saying uh, it’s not my fault.

I got it second hand, but if that’s your boyfriend baby, you know them, you know them tablets or whatever.

He taken ain’t, Flintstone vitamins.

You know that right.

So you know what you do.

Is you do better? You be wise.

I ain’t fooling with you not tonight baby, you don’t get y’all, always y’all.

Always you always make me go there? Okay, but you know no sloppy! Top it tonight baby, I I got the Olympics, they tested me for no happy ending.

You know what I’m saying you got to be wise right.

I’M a woman out here, I’m a female athlet.

I’Ve been that right.

Those are the things that I’ve considered as well.

Right so in checking these receipts, you can’t be.

You know that that when they, when they find an item on your damn receipt, that shouldn’t be there, your ass need to be suspended and disqualified.

That’S all I got to say: okay, um Tony’s reviews came and said.

It’S all Bs you’re not getting failed tests off of sexual things, you’re, not popping hot from steaks, and I don’t believe in accidental accident, accidental Peds performing enhancement, drugs um when you start performing better than you ever than you ever have okay, um Tony’s reviews also says: No, something is going on: it’s all Bs and lies being hidden by money and agendas disclaimer.

These are my opinions.

Tony.

I appreciate your opinions.

That’S why we all come together.

As you know, at this time on a Wednesday on the sugar show, okay, I that that’s what I’m saying too, I agree, you know it’s all [ __ ] write us all Jive, okay, if indeed your tests come back dirty because you ingested some Special Sauce from Your partner, you know, I’m saying you in trouble you’re still in trouble.

Okay, like there’s, no excuse, okay, we’re not going to hide it and we’re not going to say: oh it’s his fault because you’re still getting the best, you still dirty.

So you still getting the benefits of it.

That’S where I that’s that! That’S where I’m at with it with it too.

You guys in this conversation, okay and it’s all political right, because people can happen to not test at certain time with you not drop by and take samples.

All of these things can be manipulated right.

The thing about women’s boxing and the reason why it’s gotten so popular now is because no one is checking our receipts, which they should right, because what we want, we want equal pay.

We want all of these things that you know go with the growth of our industry, but the only thing that’s growing in our industry is the unethical practices that these broads are getting away with them in their teams.

Right, you got wrote, roaches and rats coming in here, dirtying the place up stinking down the place right where there’s great potential for this industry.

This thing to make good money right.

It ain’t gon na be clean because really ain’t, nothing clean in boxing, I’m not going to lie to you and say a fight is ever Fair right.

Sugar has tried to be as Fair as she can when she had the upper hand and when she’s fighting people, but guess what sometimes sometimes you know you got to push you got ta push that rule but pushing the rule doesn’t mean that you’re on drugs.

Now you doping right now: you’re cheating, okay, um, Tony’s reviews comes in and says by the way my degree is in biomed and I deal with drugs on The Daily all right, Boo, Boo, um.

I’M glad that you were able to to get um such a.

You know uh profound degree, bio biomed, that’s biology and you know you’re getting into meta.

You know medication and all of that stuff and y’all and – and you should know, Tony’s reviews Pharmaceuticals, rules, the world right.

They trying to have everybody on something nowadays, which I don’t think is right.

I don’t think that’s ethical either, but it is what it is.

You know I don’t judge anyone, but what I do have the judgment on.

Is you know if, if we’re signing up, if you’re signing up for something and there’s a standard of you know, what’s allowed and what’s not allowed in the standard, you know follow the rules, follow the rules right if you bend the rules and you and you’re smart Within doing it fine, but to outright cheat nah man, you know you’re taking you’re taking uh sport, you’re you’re, taking away it away from being Sport and you’re, taking it away from um.

You know what what it is, meaning two entities, two people right who have the same – will if now you’re manipulating it for it to you know for you’re cheating, this other person’s working, hard.

They’Re doing you know doing everything organically and you’re.

Cheating the whole match is unethical, we’re paying you or we’re paying it.

The entertainment now is to watch a cheating person.

No, it shouldn’t work that way.

Okay, so I mean there there’s um some points now that are considered with this clean boxing program.

Okay, so uh the agency, the uh voluntary anti-doping agency, along with the clean boxing program, says we believe in the innocence of the athlete until the result of the protocol proves otherwise.

Okay, so they’re saying yeah yeah.

We believe you, oh you’re, absolutely what it’s dirty and you don’t know how your test came back.

Dirty, oh well, innocent until proven guilty.

Okay uh, they also say each case – is completely independent of any other case.

Each one has specifics and cannot be compared to another situation, which I mean it kind of dispels.

What I just said: okay um it you know.

If, if your boyfriend opened, then you doping right, they’re not coming they’re, not kicking in the door with that.

Okay, they’re saying: listen! Okay, if you know uh, Jane Doe and Joe Blow on your team happens to be doping and they from your same camp.

We’Re not going to assume that you’re doping, okay, we’re gon na give everybody the benefit of the doubt and deal with it on a case-by-case scenario and situation; okay, which is fair, um, Tony’s reviews, I’m a pool.

I’M gon na pull a card out of your stack with this one.

How do you feel right about um saying that um, I don’t believe in accidental performance enhancement, drugs um when you start performing better than you ever have? Are you saying in that situation, where you’re saying you as an athlete are saying you know, I’m I’m an athlete and all of a sudden I can.

You know I feel stronger, I’m going harder in my rounds.

I can do more work.

I can recover faster right.

Are you saying that excuse me, are you saying that you don’t you as of uh uh, an athlete should be in tuned in knowing that this ain’t me excuse me, you guys, I’m gon na have to take another break.

Excuse me, sorry about that.

Y’All shouldn’t need to wet her palate um.

Where were we? Yes, so um? You know um this accidental.

You know, I didn’t know what it was in my shake, or you know it was a like, a lot of which is what a lot of athletes saying.

Tony’S reviews are you saying that as an athlete, you should know that you feel different you’re performing different, so you must be on something.

Is that what you’re saying regarding that accidental uh PE um p-e-d statement that you made Michael Orr comes in saying accidentally? Doping is like hitting that blunt and not inhaling talk about he’s talking about when they passed that thing to you and you put it to your lip and then you you talking about Dad you talking about it’s an accident when they pass that thing to you and Then you break, and you you talking about that Mike right, you right.

Let me stop.

How do I, I don’t even know, listen, y’all gon na get me put off the internet.

Okay, I’m not advocating for any of this.

I I it’s not bad, it’s not good! It is what it is, though, okay, meaning that if you like, if, if you know what it is you and you’re going through the motions for it to get to where it’s gotten in your system, anal accident, there’s no accident now I’ll, say this right, because uh One of my one of my trainers, one of my coaches – the great Jerome coffee, got me hip to this um.

When I first turned Pro uh, he was very he very insightful on a lot of things.

I learned what I learned from Jerome coffee was that [ __ ] ain’t sweet in the pros and I’m and I’m so.

I am grateful for for that insight for that education and perspective, because I’ve seen a lot of you know.

I I’ve seen a lot of lames and cornballs fall to the Wayside because they wasn’t hip right.

I guess they wasn’t paying attention, but I’m thankful for that that that knowledge, that street game that uh Jerome coffee um passed down to me, which was he said, sugar Natalie, don’t when you go to weigh-ins or when, as soon as you get off the plane, you Don’T take no drinks from nobody, that’s on that the seal is not opened.

You don’t leave your drink and go back and pick nothing up.

You don’t eat nothing that you didn’t take with you, you don’t you don’t assume that anybody’s giving you anything clean.

Just know that everything that everybody offers to you is dirty and he was right.

That’S what you have to do.

I mean that’s what you have to think about.

You know you’re walking into a lion’s den as a fighter, and you have to know not everybody around.

You is on your team.

Sometimes you have a mole on your team right.

So if you don’t know where that thing came from, don’t don’t put it in your in your body.

If you can’t be 100 uh on where that thing been, don’t put your mouth on it.

If you know what I mean right so um, Michael Orr says I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night, Let the church say right spit Mike Bars right.

Yes, you cannot be in this game as a boxer, man or woman, and and think that you know you’re going you’re going to slide through clean or or it’s fair, it’s not if they don’t if they are not directly in front of you, if you don’t see Them dated, and and sometimes they are there day to day with you, but you assume they work for the other team right it it’s you can be set up and you don’t even know you’re being set up because they they’re they’re four to five steps ahead of You so this game yeah, I’m not trying to scare anybody, because I love I, I love boxing right.

The industry needs to be cleaned up on the male side.

On the women’s side, I I’m we talking about women’s boxing.

The women women’s boxing has gotten dirtier and I don’t see where the clean is balancing the dirt.

It’S getting more dirty than clean, where women are in the position and situation where they’re going to lose their lives or get hurt, really bad, okay and um.

You know the two-minute rounds has saved us from from a lot of severe outcomes, because you know two minutes is: is just a Sprint: you’re, not really two minutes and then the most they’re going is 10 Rounds scratching the surface.

It’S you’re doing enough you’re doing enough.

I guess to for people to think you’re doing something, but when we get to three minute rounds right because women we used to box three minute rounds, I I boxed I used to box three minute rounds when I first started boxing right.

It’S a different.

It’S it’s! A different animal, it’s a different animal! You talk about you sitting here, um Clarissa Shields, talking about Sheila guat, greatest woman um of all time or they talk about Katie.

Taylor is the greatest female boxer of all time: [ __ ], [, __ ].

Please we had women fighting 15 rounders three minutes in women’s boxing.

How do you think these women would fare in those fights with those women right? Those women have done it.

These new broads have yet to do anything like that right, so I mean people are talking.

I’Ve had the debate we’re talking about.

Oh, these girls are more skilled and their technique.

[, __, ], a fight is a fight.

No one’s looking at skill or whatever a fight is a fight unless you’ve been in there to know and understand what a fight means and what it is right because uh a sloppy windmill.

In that look at look at your girl.

She brought the windmill Mill style and became world champion and and and beat a polished, high level highly accomplished highly background accomplished.

Amateur boxer right, Cecilia bragus was a world silver medalist.

I think Jessica.

Mccaskill is just a windmillion ass, broad off the street right.

She may have had a couple amateur fights, but she’s, no, no close to the pedigree of abrecus or even myself right.

She beat both of us they’re Shenanigans.

I know that there are Shenanigans was mine, I’m not sure there might have been Shenanigans with Cecilia, because when Cecilia, when that fight, when they stepped in the ring for that fight – and I saw how small that ring was – I knew that it was not Cecilia’s fight Right because Cecilia breakfast was, you know she was the queen of the track of running around that ring, and that ring had to be big for at for her ass to find hiding spots in spots in there to fight your ass.

When I saw that small ring, I said, hmm all right, let’s see how she fares with with this one and certainly enough.

You know anyway, we’re gon na go down.

Um Michael Orr says like for real.

You ain’t sharing! Oh, you ain’t sharing the blunt with a person with herpes on the lips.

Oh that don’t sound good Mike! Now you talk Mike you, a stoner might listen! I ain’t sharing uh like I’m, not going! I’M not sharing the water bottle with you.

If you got.

If I seen bumps or if, if I see stuff going on on your lips, you know what I’m saying I’ve been to pass.

You you ain’t, taking a swig of my joy, much less a blunt! You see what I’m saying we’re not talking.

We talking about dope or whatever.

Well I’m just even talking about listen this right here, I I ain’t sharing.

If I, if I see someday, if I see some drama going on on your lips and that’s all I have to say about that – okay uh, we got to be responsible that you know that we just have to be responsible.

Okay, um, Michael Orr, says here.

Mr pugilis take this: don’t worry about what it is, but that’s how it works.

You know someone who you trust, will give you something right and they’ll say: oh take it, it’s good for you take it you you have to care enough about yourself and your and the accountability.

That’S going to happen when all when, when this hits the fan, because it’s all on you, it’s going to be all upside your head right, they they coming after you they’re not going to come after that person that passed.

You they’re not coming after that person that you got freaky with they come in after your ass right, so you have to be responsible, especially as a woman in women’s boxing now you know this trust me.

This performance enhancement, drug conversation will get bigger and bigger, because um we getting big enough to wear receipts are being checked.

We not seen.

I think there was a young lady in Africa just recently and I was like what they doing it.

I mean the the African broads are doing it, no right because before you know, we all used to be the European Brides right.

You used to be most the American broads, oh and for damn sure it was the Mexican broads right and now y’all coming now.

It’S the African bras too, is out here, and we got to talk about it: okay, um.

So where was I um? The the cpb or the the clean boxing program also says each substance is different from any other, which is true.

It cannot be compared all cases as one meaning that it ain’t it ain’t such thing as just one dope, it’s a whole bunch of different dopes, okay and so um.

What they’re saying is they’re not going to at you everyone’s not going to to get in trouble for all the same dope, so maybe they’re saying if it’s a supplement that you took that you know scaves the the boundary it may be considered.

You know you you may be able to um advocate for yourself.

You know, I think, that’s what they’re saying um they’re they’re, considering uh each substance as its effect.

Okay.

So if you took a substance to cut weight, it may be different from a substance that someone’s taking to build size and to be stronger, so they can inflict more damage.

Things like that um there’s also say they’ve also said: there’s nothing more important than the safety and protection of the athlete.

That’S what they believe.

But I mean if the athlete is going Beyond their own greatest good and putting themselves in a position where you know they’re.

Taking steroids – and you all know the effects of steroids, it affects your heart right.

So if, if you want to start doing damage to your your heart for the sake of whatever it is that you’re going to get out of this boxing um they’re saying that there’s nothing more important than The Athlete’s health, so they’re they’re.

Looking at the the whole picture, which supposed to be about health, okay, there’s also um they’ve also said: there’s a large group of experts who participate in the analysis process of each case separately, so they got people in Labs.

Okay, I mean people, don’t look at boxing as an industry – okay, somebody’s getting paid to do this, this ain’t, you know this ain’t for free, the only print the only voluntary part of it, it seems, is the people who volunteer to sign up to give they pee.

Everybody else got a job: okay, that’s where that’s what this is all about money right and if everyone has a job – and I’m gon na say this because it has to be said: everyone has a boss and that boss has a boss and then that’s where it Gets political right because you don’t want to get your boss mad, so if your boss tells you something, you must heed.

If your boss tells you to ignore something, you must heed.

Okay, that’s where we are in this okay, um! Now we’re going to explore one of the most popular prohibited substances, one okay, which is clenbuterol.

If y’all don’t know this, ask your boy um come on now come on my Misfits.

I said I wasn’t going to say no fighter but y’all know y’all know Mr cinnamon right because he’s known to be on this clenbuterol, okay and Clem uh clenbuterol is an uh is a steroid um.

It is given for people who have um a respiratory issues or the it’s it’s for respiratory issues.

Michael Oher says: Connor Ben okay, Connor Ben, but we talk about Mr Mexico cinnamon Mexico right, clenbuterol, he’s the one that he’s the one that that start, making that that start, putting the the um that one in the spotlight – okay, I ain’t gon na, say no names Right they, if they gon na, come for sugar.

They ain’t gon na, come for sugar because they said because sugar saying nobody name: okay, um, because I’m loyal to the truth.

Okay, and and like I said with with calling the names and stuff, you really got to know the truth about that, and I’m gon na tell you the truth about this performance enhancement, drug situation, the truth about it is the money.

Don’T nobody move unless it’s with the money right, so I said that to say this: okay, um uh the people who um the people who are paying for all of these.

You know the money that’s moving through the industry or whatever are also the people that pay money for this stuff and they pay money for their people to be on this stuff.

Okay, we just having a conversation.

Okay – and it must be said, uh Michael Orr, says I’ll, say all the names.

I don’t give a [ __ ] all right.

Well, you do that Michael Oher say the names tell me some names, Michael Orr, said Connor Ben already, all right all right.

If you got the names say the names about my father’s business says: Alvarez okay, then you know what you talking about you, smart, yeah, okay and so with um.

Michael Orr comes in s-a-u-l Saul in capital letters, oh y’all, telling y’all, telling yeah all right and and funny enough.

These people have made uh the most money in the industry right, y’all, ain’t, bringing up people who aren’t some pennies, because guess what the people who are on the pennies and nickel and I’m they can’t afford this [ __ ].

They can’t afford it.

This is a whole thing: okay, so if they taking it just know somebody paying for it.

Okay, um Michael Oher, said I said what I said cause.

I said it I like that, because when I say what I’m saying I say what I mean to say right, I’m on that same road when it comes out my mouth, I ain’t taking it back.

I said what I said, and we ain’t gon na argue We’re Not Gon na argue about it.

Okay, we’re not argue about nothing that I’m saying, because I said what I said now: Michael Oher, you better not take none of this back.

Okay about my father’s business Alvarez, you better not take nothing back.

Okay is out here um now, listen to this.

Listen to this clenbuterol is a prohibited substance, of course.

Okay um now there are levels right, they’re, not saying this can’t be found in your system at all.

What they’re saying is there are levels you guys give yeah, I’m back sorry y’all, I’m back.

I have some technical difficulties y’all, my my bad.

You know what like this is.

This is sugar on natural, okay, I’m not none of these pretentious broads that you see on the internet, trying to be perfect.

Trying to be cute.

Y’All see I’m on that no makeup! I need my hair dead.

You know what I’m saying: it’s: it’s just sugar, all natural, so I I really appreciate you guys being um with me in my in my authentic self talking about this stuff.

I really appreciate that so I had to take some breaks.

I almost choked got me some water, and now I have some technical difficulties with the blank I’m back, though, I’m back all right.

So we was talking about uh, clenbuterol, okay, one of the most popular anabolic performance, enhancement, drugs, okay, um and the anabolic effects of uh clenbuterol.

Is I um it? It is um used in the building up of energy stores and the breaking down of that storage.

So I hope you understand what the connection is there with how a fighter prepares.

Okay, a lot of the time a lot of the time.

The fight for the fighter is not even getting in the ring.

Y’All know I mean y’all Shakir Stevenson just recently lost his um belts on the scale right where he was able.

I mean the these Fighters had gotten so disrespectful and even you know making sure they come prepared on weight because they’re they’re Divas now like back in my day, yo ass.

If you had, you make sure you signed the contract at that weight, you better show up at that weight, now they’re willing to lose titles on the scale.

That was an embarrassing right.

When I was coming up, you lose your your titles on the scale you didn’t.

Even fight and you lost your titles – that’s embarrassing! It’S happening now with these with with these Fighters now and it ain’t nothing just like he’s taking it as nothing all my people will pay.

My people will pay the sanctioning fee.

My people will pay for me to get the belts back so right.

It’S really cheapening the sport um, so his name is not bring coming up with.

You know this.

This topic, you know doping, but it’s where um when a fighter prepares the fight sometimes is cutting the weight.

So you can make the wait for the fight.

Okay, cutting the weight, making sure that you get to that scale at the contracted weight.

That’S the fight in itself, if you can make the weight everything after that is, is great, is great right, they’re, also where I I’ve said this before to you guys you’re a different fighter at different weights, so you cut weight.

You may not be as strong once you cut down that weight as you as you would at your at your fight weight at your actual fight weight right and you have to deal with that, not being a strong meaning that if you take damage you’re, not you May not be able to take as much damage as at a lower weight cutting down.

You may not be able to recover as fast in between rounds once you cut weight right, you’ve, you’ve, weakened yourself, you, you may not be able to think as fast, because you cut weight cutting weight, meaning you cut out the hydration to your brain.

So your brain is not even functioning the way it would normally function.

If you were at your Healthy strongest weight right, that’s a that’s! That’S something that Fighters we knowingly go through.

Okay, you got to give us a lot more credit people, think Fighters are stupid or whatever we have some Fighters.

Real Fighters have so much courage that they take those chances you got to be.

You got to be a brave somebody to um to to deny yourself right to see what can to to deplete yourself and still go into a fight right.

You got to have courage to do that, because you’re already you’re giving up points you’re, giving up you’re, giving up qualities that you need, because you’re sure that you can win you’re sure that you can.

You can somehow pull this [ __ ] off and a lot of the times we do.

Sometimes we don’t um Michael Orr says I think you look damn fine honey, you’re making me blush on here.

Thank you.

Um Michael Oher also says he physically can’t make 130 anymore, though okay, so that’s what I’m saying a fighter physically cannot make that weight.

Sometimes your body, most of your body will say no no right because, as a fighter, remember we’re all human.

I say we’re human.

So, as you age muscle, mass gets solid bones, get solid right: it ain’t about losing water weight.

No more! You got real you.

You know you got real muscle, skin protein teeth bone scissors.

All of these things now start to weigh against you.

When you get on the scale, so when you were a young Sprite guy, you probably could cut down to 130 as you as a person’s body by the ages, they become more solid, okay, um, and so these drugs help with that.

So this uh clenbuterol helps a fighter to keep the energy stores, meaning you keep your muscles.

You keep whatever your muscles.

Can you you keep that storage of energy in your muscles right, but you can cut the fat.

That’S why some of these Fighters you’ll see them way developed way developed.

One of my I mean one of my conditioning coaches said you know what sugar I’m on this.

You know anybody that you see we’re not fighting any.

If this broad comes and and her shoulder caps, are sticking out or are developed she’s on the roids well, I said why he said because no one uses these so shoulder cap muscles.

So when they’re highly developed and they’re popping out, that means that the steroids is helping that muscle to develop there’s no real natural training or movement that would make that muscle.

Cap off, like that, I was like Wow Wow, and I noticed it, and I see it in a lot of other things.

I see it in the fitness competitions and all of that where people are synonymous for taking these these dope.