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EPISODE: Episode 1
The debate is as old as the sport itself – should women’s boxing matches have the same duration as men’s? Tonight, on “The Sugar Show,” host Natalie Sugar Brown tackles the heated topic of 3-minute rounds and 12-round matches in Women’s Boxing.
As the sport continues to evolve, so does the conversation about equality and what it means for the athletes, the fans, and the industry. SUGAR will dissect the arguments from all sides, share expert opinions, and look at how these changes could reshape the future of Women’s Boxing. It’s a deep dive into the sport’s structure, the potential impact on training, safety, and entertainment value.
Transcribed
[, Music, ], hey y’all, hey it’s your sugar here and it’s 7:30 on a Wednesday night.
So you know how we do it’s.
The sugar show where me I Natalie sugar brown uh, get on here and talk to you all about women’s boxing, okay, so uh! I am Natalie sugar brown, I am a woman pugilist I’ve been there done that.
Okay, and this is now my platform.
Excuse me y’all.
This is my um platform to get on here and chat with y’all about the ins and outs of women’s boxing and what really and what the really real real talk is right.
So um, it’s it’s a it’s a conversation y’all so join in chime on um.
There.
There’S no there there’s.
There is no! No, unless you get disrespectful right.
So you can come on here.
Ask the questions that you want to ask say what you want to say, but let’s keep it respectful, okay, so tonight’s topic is um.
Sugar is going to go into women’s boxing, the whole three minutes and 12 rounds.
Why why? I didn’t think I’d have to revisit this because I think I did a show previously that kind of hits on this.
But here we are again – and I just think it’s very very, very very, very, very important that somebody tell y’all and y’all children out here with the real uh reality: okay, realistic life of uh, a woman boxer is and how these thre minute rounds, and I mean Three minutes and uh 12 rounds will ultimate ultimately affect women’s boxing as a whole.
Okay, so um uh the thing about uh the whole timing of it, you guys, okay, so there’s men’s boxing.
Okay and men have always fought three minut.
I think three minutes yes, but they’ve gone up to like 30 rounds, okay and due to a lot of deaths and Trauma.
They took that um time down to 15 rounds and due to a lot of deaths and Trauma, we’re now at 12 rounds.
Three minutes for men’s boxing.
Okay, now initially from my experience and the research that I have done, women have fought three minutes.
I am one of them.
I, when I first started boxing, I fought three minute rounds um and there have been women that have fought up to 15 rounds uh in in in in a fight together.
Okay, not an exhibition or anything in boxing okay, so this conversation was it had is sparked because of the recent history’s first bull bulljive that our champion Amanda Serrano has now accomplished.
Okay and she’s uh accomplished that with another fighter uh, whose name is uh Den danila Ramos? Okay, now I’m gon na break this thing down once again to you guys: okay and it’s going to be real long winded.
Why? Because, like I said when y’all sign your name and sign your life away on that contract, you got to know what you’re getting into and you can’t say that there was nothing out there and nobody was out there to tell you because Sugar’s going to tell you Tonight: okay, now listen to this three minutes a three minute round and a twom minute round.
Okay, would be the difference of running a Sprint versus, say a mid distance 400 meter to Marathon okay.
Well, not even the 12 rounds is the marathon, but let’s, let’s break it down by increment, okay, so a two-minute round okay could easily be a Sprint.
You break it down in 30 seconds at a time right.
I flurry for 30 seconds.
Then I run for 30 seconds, then I’ll right.
I I I’ll point you for 30 seconds right and then let you chase me around for the last.
You know 30 seconds right.
Okay, that’s two minutes right there: okay and then I get one whole minute to rest and recover, and then I do it again, which is what most, if not I I would say, which is what 98 % of women boxers are doing right now.
Okay, now this was implemented that we weren’t doing this.
We were look at the the fights in the 90s and and and back further into the latter dates.
Women were standing and, and they were at fighting and they were exhibiting certain skill sets that would allow them to endure the punishment of actually being in a fight right in in in an assault between them each other right.
Not only am I whooping ass, I’m I’m! I’M absorbing some some some blows too right.
This person wants to whoop my ass too okay and somebody there’s no two winners.
Only one person can win right, so there now is a an element of desperation in this meaning that ain’t no quit right.
People now will push themselves to the [ Music ] limit to potentially achieve that Championship dream.
Okay, now the reality of that two two minute rounds safe, except for if now the ref, who has the responsibility and the accountabil has to have the accountability to pay attention enough in there and know and see and understand.
What’S going on between the two fighters, women Fighters are different from male fighters in the sense that we I don’t care what anybody say right.
We are not the stronger of the species.
Okay, we’re not.
There may be some.
I can say that I’m stronger than some men right, but a typical man, man.
That would be my statistic you know equally in in in as a male, no right.
So if I’m an unbelievably strong female, which I am um, there’s a man there’s a male out there who’s unbelievably strong for his size and weight as well right, and would I typically want to be matched up with this, this man in in anything, but to you Know in anything that wouldn’t benefit me, no right I’d want him to be on my side.
You know I want him to work with me work for me right, I’m not trying to fight with this person.
Okay, so it it then brings into the whole Clarissa Shield’s deal where she called out: Keith Thurman and um she’s, a big Advocate on um three minute rounds and she 12.
She she doesn’t mind going 12 rounds at 3 minutes and she’ll even get in there with a man.
Okay, she is um advertised that, but even Clarissa Shields came back on Facebook live right.
I had to sit like I seen it and and and told the public and told the people who were chiming in man.
I was just talking bunch.
I was talk just talking, [ __ ], now sparring I’ve sparred guys but yeah.
I it wouldn’t be a fight right, because let me explain something to you: a man at 1654 17 any of the guats weight right if we would get the a a champion specimen or a champion contender in that weight class to now match up with the guad Shields she she would be facing some serious brain and body bodily harm right, and we all know that, and we should know that right.
So when women right when women start to talk out of – and this is I mean, I’m very – I’m very oldfashioned in this way.
Right, I don’t I I take pride in being a woman, I love it.
I just love it right and I believe women do have their place right, because there’s a place that women have that men don’t have, and vice versa, there’s a place that men have that women don’t have.
Okay, so I would say, with respect to fighting, women need to stay in their place, okay, meaning that our place is with each other.
Okay, our place is um our own threshold, our own own limits, our own understanding of what females and women can do as Fighters.
We are never to compare ourselves or compete with men, um JD, uh, JD Smith, the G artist, okay, the GI artist.
Is this? Live you damn right.
It’S live baby thanks for chiming in uh, it’s uh, Natalie sugar brown.
Here your sugar and I’m on here.
Talking about women’s boxing, if you’d like to join my chat, okay, um and I’m talking about just women, uh women who are talking about now that W uh women Fighters or women boxers should get the equal um equal time as men in boxing or male boxers, which I I’ve come on my platform to say no.
I strongly disagree with that.
I think that, like I said before, women have their place in in fighting and men have their place in fighting and we we should never never um compete with each other in in that uh.
In that sense, now moving forward or going going um further, I’m going to delve deeper into the consequences of how this affects this topic affects women’s boxing.
Now, like I said, everybody’s celebrating uh, the guad, the best pound-for-pound female fighter.
She talks a lot about getting in there with men and male boxers I mean, and I’m sure she has, but I’m sure that there’s also a big cap right cap mean girl.
You L right because if you I’m sure you have gotten in there with champion Caliber men, I have too in my time of um my boxing career, but one thing I knew for sure is they were helping me along okay.
They they were, they were taking their time with me right, because if any of them should let loose okay, it would have been no more fight for me or no fight for me and it’s the same with Clarissa Shield.
So she shows footage of her in there with larger women, or you know, um women who look more masculine and they she she shows her sparring footage uh of her in there with males but um.
You will see that these other women and these other men are not an elite caliber for anyone to be now talking about oh yeah, we should all do this right.
No, no, no right and the reason why Shields and Amanda Serrano can talk.
These talks is because they are protected Fighters.
Now.
Okay – and I’ve mentioned this on a a thread on a on one of the threads for women’s boxing, where you know people are all akik and you know, congratulations and yes, we deserve an equal, paying whatever without understanding that I mean I’m I’m like well.
What am I the only one was I the only person that went to these dances.
You know what I’m saying this [ __ ] ain’t it for us right.
I’Ve shown up in places where I, because I was not a protected fighter, okay and if they could have pulled any of these oky does I wouldn’t even be able to speak my name I couldn’t even I I wouldn’t be able to remember anything right, because this Is you your bean that bean in your Noggin is getting rattled right and once that thing once it tears loose and you get that brain bleed, you ain’t the same for the rest of your life and you never will be okay, now um, I’m going to touch On a a couple other points, but I have my images now that I am going to share okay, so lovely assistant.
Can you put that up there for me, um uh, JD’s, uh Smith, Digi artist, says oh interesting, so you prefer the women’s division to be two minutes and 10 Rounds.
It sounds like um, I don’t prefer it um.
I I do not prefer that women fight two minutes and 10 Rounds.
What I do prefer is um.
Let’S do we can do three minutes, but let’s change the amount of rounds that we could go, or vice versa, unless we’re going to do TW minute 15 rounds right, because women are dying and getting severely hurt doing this.
It’S just that it’s swept under the rug, because in women’s boxing we don’t have the the average woman boxer does not have a voice.
She does not have anyone to advocate for her when she gets [ __ ] up she’s done.
Okay, put her in the put her in the defect bin right and there’s no word of her ever again, while the champion goes on to destroy another person in in this underhanded type of way.
Okay, so it’s not that I agree.
No, I want women to to stand in there for the three rounds right, but right now I just don’t see it.
I don’t see the ring in IQ most most uh the Champions now, not even even the Champions right, the the the 2 % who are Champion.
They don’t even have a ring IQ that would allow them to stand in there properly fighting three minute rounds right when you’re doing the still the elementary basic combination punching when you’re doing the the basic you can’t even do the basic footwork when you can’t even put Together combinations to get an effect from a strategy, you have no business in there right.
That’S like saying: okay, uh, we we, you played.
You played pilot on Xbox right now, you’re ready to fly somebody you you’re, ready to F fly plane to Europe with passengers.
Absolutely not right, you did that [ __ ] on you did that [ __ ] on the video game right and you’re good.
Your scores are good.
You beating people, but let let’s see like do you know what the air pressure do? You know what it really feels like how it really do up there right.
You do.
You know how to do.
Do you know what happens in that place in the sky while you traveling that far and the time changes and no you don’t you don’t know how your body’s re going to react or anything thing so why? If you know why are these women or why? Why are we encouraging on a whole women’s boxing, because there’s a lot of Fanboy fan, fan gals and fan guys out there on this [ __ ]? But when it’s time when you laid up in the hospital, when you one of these Fighters laying up in the hospital fighting for your life, is crickets right, you don’t hear nobody, nobody ain’t, nobody minding after you, neither right ain’t.
Nobody calling you ain’t, get the phone call stop right.
Nobody talks about that part right.
We only hear on some yay and history’s first and cut the [ __ ].
This is dangerous and that’s what I’m here to talk about tonight: um, baby, um, so uh, J D, Smith, uh, Digi artist, says.
Oh, I see I see interesting yeah, so um.
You know I’m just telling you what the this is.
Where I talk the talk right, because, while everybody’s fan fan guy and fan gallon, nobody has really touched on what this means right.
So I mean the history’s.
First is cool and the 3 minutes 12 rounds is cool, but we wern’t ready for all this and we’re still not like I said enough.
Ring IQ has not been exib e exhibited for us to be asking for this tall order.
Okay, Amanda Serrano.
She knew what the deal was.
Her ass saying, go in there and do the damn th uh 3 minute 12 rounds with Erica Cruz.
She ain’t do it with Erica Cruz.
She went and pulled d uh danila Ramos out out her ass out of somewhere yeah D.
Danila Ramos, I I I’m not Downing you girl, I’m not congratulations! Right! Uh Daniela Ramos is a crone in the game, meaning that she’s over 35 okay.
This is this is the biggest fight of her life.
I, when you get to a certain um uh age in women’s boxing, you know that these last few opportunities are GNA, be it so you’re gon na make your your exit right.
So this fight that danila Ramos did H is the fight of her life.
She ain’t gon na get nothing bigger than this right.
She didn’t earn it right.
I I I did I did.
I did a bit of homework on her.
She she doesn’t have enough names or accomplishments on her receipts to actually be a a name in history.
To be fighting uh, Amanda, Serrano right, why didn’t Amanda Sano go 12 rounds with tiara brown right? Why didn’t um she go.
Let’S see, there’s a lot of there’s a lot of um his hisorical names.
That would have been quite profound if Amanda Serrano had done it with them right, but she did this.
This is the slimy.
This is the sliminess that happens in women’s boxing right right in Jamaica or my my um, the elders used to say, frighten right, meaning over.
I remember um when I, when I was little when I first came and I was in American schools um from from the Caribbean and I remember, there’s a fight happening.
The the one um girl say: [, __, ] a go say boo and I was like.
Oh oh does that is that dupp and no ho for frighten.
Yes, it was right so go say boo, dupping, no ho for frighten, meaning.
You know who to pick with right, but you ain’t GNA, pick with everybody like how you picking see see what I’m saying so this history.
First, let the history first be with some some real, some real body in there right.
Don’T don’t pick! Nobody, don’t don’t don’t pick a uh, you know, don’t pick a lower wrong body right pick a body such as yourself and make history right, because, with this thre minute 12 round thing it wasn’t it’s not it.
The question was: never.
Can women fight for three minutes in 12 rounds? That was, that was never the question the question or this the the point.
Not even the question.
The point is: is it healthy? Is it safe? Is it something that women can endure right and people out there talking about? Oh women can have a baby and blah blah blah BL yeah I’ll.
Tell you this.
I did that too right and pushing something.
That’S damn near 10, pounds out your ho high okay, that that also is nothing to chirp at right.
That’S nothing like fighting 10 Rounds or whatever and most of these broads ain’t never done that.
[ __ ], neither right! But what I’m saying is women can endure a lot of pain and damage yeah.
So that’s what nature is telling us.
Should we? No, we should not.
Okay men are built for that right.
Men, men, don’t have the the the the um the organs right that need to be regulated and how you know for in women’s B.
So they can.
They can f focus on other [, __, ], like battle and fighting and and and and and and that the assault and Trauma that goes with it as women.
We have to know our place and understand what that means right, meaning that we have things our certain parts of our body operate in a way that won’t allow us to overcome certain types of trauma.
Okay, a man will make it through over a woman in certain type of trauma and vice versa.
Okay, now in this game of boxing okay, which is legal assault, I think the I think the men got us.
Ladies, we don’t need to be beating each other’s brains out like that right.
We do need to be fighting each each other and we do need to whip.
We do need to be whipping a bitch’s ass out here right because some of them need it done right, but to be now exposed to the traum, the traumatic part of it, the damaging part of it.
This is the Thin Line.
This is the line right and in women’s boxing we are not regulated like men’s boxing.
Okay, okay, all right we’re a bunch of cowg girls out here right, we’re a bunch of you know we meaning that we are going into Uncharted Territory.
Every time we go out.
Every time we sign our name on that uh dotted line on that contract.
We are signing our lives away, we’re trusting that everyone’s going to look out for our best interest, and that is never the case.
Oh look who joins the conversation.
Women’S Boxing Channel talk about what up.
What’S up I’m on here.
Talking about this three minutes and 12 rounds, ying yang, that that that that we back on again in W out here in women’s boxing and I’m thoroughly disappointed because people who have been in this game for years right people who have been talk who they write about.
It they claim that they on some hisory.
They know the history about they on here, amen hand clapping about the [ __ ] right, because that’s what I got ta call it [ __ ], because if you know what this thing is, you wouldn’t be excited about.
Pushing women into doing it this way women’s Boxing Channel, says I brought my Satchel jotter book and pencil box today to take notes.
Okay, then, we’ll take some notes, baby, all right so, like I said we we’ve got to know our place as women.
Okay, now we’re gon na break down the preparation.
Okay, now listen to this I’ve already broken down the twom minute round: mentality.
30.
Second.
30.
Second.
30.
Second, 30.
Second right! It’S all in 30, second blocks right and they’re, not fighting all 30 seconds.
Look at Katie Taylor.
She don’t fight the whole two minutes she runs.
She runs for about a minute and 30 uh seconds until she has to fight right and she’s still running right.
No one’s standing and exchanging right – and I know people are on some hit and don’t get hit.
[ __ ], this Saint tag right, yes hit and don’t get hit, but there are skills that you must execute in that hit and don’t get hit right, which women are not exhibiting.
That’S what I mean by ring IQ, fighting IQ everyone’s doing the same Elementary School basic thing and they feel like if they do it faster or harder that it makes a difference.
But those of us who have the sophisticated mindset and experience behind that in all things right, it’s not about how fast and how hard right it’s about the skills, because skills pay the bills.
Okay, yeah, it’s the foreplay right.
Show me something show me something and that’s why I call it foreplay even in the ring show me something right, not oh one.
Two three uh jab right hook run step to the left, step to the right.
Come back, jab right hook run because that’s pretty much what they all do and that’s what Amanda does I don’t see? No, I don’t see no combos being put together for a certain result, meaning I don’t see girls folding broads folding, each other in there right.
I don’t see broads knowing how to break somebody down, because if you know how to break someone down, then you can stop them without putting them in the hospital.
You can right, because it’s Anatomy is understanding what blows to certain places will ensue in the body um.
So JD Smith, Digi artist, says what do you think is a major factor to the lack of ring IQ.
I I like your.
I like your question: uh JD Smith.
Now I think the major factor to the lack of ring IQ is the fact that no one’s being taught the coaches, the teachers there’s no regulation in in that right.
So the difference between Pro and amateur is not there.
There are a lot of amateur trainers who are training, professional women Fighters now and or professional fighters now, which is why you see a lot of amateurish style continuing in the pros Pro and amateur are two different animals they’re, not even in the same right I mean All right, we’ll see so amateur is your house cat right.
We got the little leather box and some of them [ __ ] in the toilet.
If you teach them okay and then the pros is like the damn jungles out there, the the jungles in Africa right a lion, a tiger cheetah them them type of things right.
So you put your house cat up against one of them mofos and let’s see how that works out right.
So the jungle cat is has been through enough and understands why they do certain things right.
They’Ll know they know how to execute and take down a mofa wilderbeast.
Do you see a group of Al, a group of cats anywhere that can take down a deer that could take down? You know another animal such as that no they’re house trained they’re house cats.
They don’t know what the hell goes down or what what is connected.
They [ __ ].
They they their food, comes out of a can: Okay and sometimes they’ll bring home mice and and little rodents and squirrels that they find in the neighborhood right because ain’t.
Nobody ain’t, no, nothing out there, except for you know, maybe if they cross the street and they not looking they get hit by a car but ain’t.
Nobody out there trying to kill no house cat right, but you were lying out out there you got or or a tire or whatever you got.
Hyenas you got um.
You got people, you got um uh.
I I seen a a damn.
Lionist get stomped out by because I do watch I like watching the animal channel.
I saw a lius got her ass, stomped out by a hippopotamus one time, yeah her what she thought she thought she was gon na.
Take that uh the hippopotamus her baby.
She said [ __ ], not today and stomped the [ __ ] out of her now these are this the jungle, so this is why I want this is why the show is you know.
This is why I want us to talk about it on show tonight.
Right because a lot of people out here don’t understand that these broads out here talking about three minute rounds and I made history in 12 minutes or whatever these [ __ ] are house cats now they’re, not in the jungle with the rest of us, because I Was in the jungle, I was not a protected fighter.
Okay, none of my fights.
Even in my fight at home, when I was I was not, I was tested, I had to produce right.
There was not me going in there thinking.
Oh, this should be an easy win for me.
A comfortable win.
Oh l! No is I [ __ ].
I got I I I better have my aame on, because this could possibly be my last night uh healthy.
So this is where I am.
You know.
I’M gon na break it down so Daniela Ramos she’s, a featherweight, okay, her record um, 38 years old, so she’s a crone.
This is who Amanda Serrano made history with fighting three men minutes 12 rounds: okay, um where’s her.
She has one KO, I’m not sure what her record is, but she’s only had one KO.
I think she’s had something like 15 fights, okay right now, she’s ranked now at number nine, according to box wck, because I look at box wck right.
I don’t look at all the other paid ranking systems because they they people put money in their hand.
I don’t know I’m box wck seems to be.
I mean they’re getting on that um payto playay type of timing too right, but I could see, there’s still, there’s still some accuracy in doing some research about who’s out there.
Okay, so um, then uh denila Ramos, she’s 30 ranked number nine.
Now, after fighting Amanda Serrano, my question was: is where, where the hell her ass was at, where her ass was at, I looked at her receipt.
The only person that’s on her receipt is Brenda.
Carbajal, okay, 18, wins uh, six losses and one draws she beat carbahal too carbajal’s 18 wins out of her.
18 wins she’s had nine stoppages.
She stopped people nine times out of her six losses.
She has not been stopped.
Okay, so uh Daniela Ramos beat her by a decision.
Okay, but she’s only had one KO.
Now I’m going to break this down to y’all in how this matchmaking goes.
They could have picked anybody right because we’re on that kind of timing for Amanda Serrano now out here right in in in the boxing world, all all the women all the women in or around that weight division, especially the real contenders, are licking their chops at the Opportunity for now to now fight the champ Amanda Serrano and she jumps over every everybody’s head to the end of the line and I did say it end of the line and pick and pull uh danila Ramos.
That’S all I have to say about that.
So this is this is kind of this.
Is that type of matchmaking uh danila Ramos is 38 years old and she’s only had one KO win in her career.
That means she ain’t got no pop ain’t.
Nothing to worry about.
For for this broad, okay, you go in there.
Amanda you protected! Already.
You just stay on your feet.
You ain’t! She ain’t gon na, do nothing to you like um.
What how what Erica Cruz did to to Amanda right Amanda had to skip out on on her her fight after Katie Taylor um, her fight with Katie Taylor after the Erica Cruz fight, because Erica shook her Noggin shook shook that bean loose a little bit yeah and I mean I saw it on the interviews too right.
You sit down and talk talk with a fighter long enough, you’ll see you’ll, see where the the head is at meaning.
You can see whether some punches done kicked in or not.
Okay, so um yeah.
She took a break after that, then she came back and she fought.
I think Heather Hardy okay and Heather Hardy Heather.
Hardy is just a showwoman.
Okay, she knew Heather, Hardy, wasn’t G to go in there and hurt her, and then she came back again and fought this and it was good boxing.
I take nothing from D Dan uh denila Ramos, but but she wasn’t in there with someone who was on her same caliber right and my whole thing is, if you’re going to make history, if you talking about I’m the first, that did it right, do it with Somebody who’s on your same level, so you can set a standard right.
This is what I’m talking about.
This is the lame [ __ ], I’m talking about we’re supposed to all be grown women, we’re supposed to be women that if we do make history, if we do something, that’s going to make a difference in our industry and we expect that we’re going to get Money and fame from it and recognition we need to do it the damn right way: okay, you don’t go in there talk about.
Oh I’m gon na.
Do it and then set up the whole thing you go in there and you give it a good.
This is the standard right, I’m at this level.
She’S at this level we’re gon na go we’re gon na go to three minute 12 rounds, and this is the standard she didn’t do that.
So that’s why I’m I’m I’m holding on to my applaud, because I’m not applauding that and on top of that, w women have done this before and they were and and and women that were equally matched that were better matched have done this before right.
So I’m not.
I have too much respect for my industry.
I have I’ve done it.
I’Ve lived it.
I got too much love and respect.
I hate.
I hate it at the same time, except it’s like a bad ex right, because I tell you something if the.
If, if listen, if, if I get me a contract and and and the numbers look good, I might think about dusting off the gloves or or you know my boots or whatever that’s the thing.
It’S like an it’s like a bad ex, because you know, oh, when it’s good, it’s good, but when it’s bad woo child, it’s terrible right.
So this is where I’m at with that.
I’M the the um, the Amanda Sano, danila Ramos um, it’s not giving it’s not giving historical any kind of um accomplishment.
For me, it’s not now.
If she had done if she had fought this featherweight fight between her and the Crone, the legend Marcela Akuna y’all heard me Marcela, auna, okay, now we talking now you’re cooking right.
Has she even fought a fighter of that caliber? I think she should, if you want to make history, if you want to be in the books, if you want to be the real deal right, Marcel kuna is still fighting she’s, a legend she’s still winning too right.
Have you have you gone on her porch? Have you knocked on her door and Marcel is 47 years old right she, a old she a old Dragon right, but you scared sound, like you same thing with Lila mcarter right.
A lot of these broads talk about what they can do and what they gon na.
Do but when it’s time for them to fight somebody real a real Crone, a real dragon where they at oh, you can’t find their number.
Oh, oh! You can’t! You don’t know where they are wait.
So you know Marcela auna, 47 years old, 53, wins 20 by KO 10 losses, one by KO and two draws: okay, Marcela Akuna.
I call her a legend.
She’S fought Lucia, rker right and came and been fighting the likes of that uh Jackie Nava been fighting those type of opposition quality.
I think she even fought Bambi Warez.
I think right.
These type of things, these type of she’s, kept a standard she’s contributed to the standard.
This my friends know no.
This is all on some.
I I me me right and then, when she walks away, she leaves the rest of y’all out here to deal with um.
The the what comes to unprotected Fighters – okay, lovely assistant, um – what’s the show me the other um image? Please all right! So when you bring up this that historical event, Amanda Serrano versus the denila Ramos, you got to you, you got to bring up this other one too right.
Um Janette, zakarius versus um forgot her first uh Mar Marie Pierre H.
Okay, why you got to bring it up, because I would I want to say I don’t want is this is not history’s first right, but this is a match where there was obvious, predatory, matchmaking number one and number two obvious willful NE negligence right and uh Janette Zakarius was an unot was an unprotected fighter right.
Even her team took her over there.
She was not protected and she was a she’s, a teen.
She was a teenager, she’s deceased now right, so she didn’t know any better she’s just going with the flow okay, where um Marie Pier ho like her promoter and her Matchmaker them, and all of that right.
They put it together so plan this planned this.
This girl’s last last um day, breathing they planned it.
You know what I’m saying and and nobody talks about it right.
Um women’s Boxing Channel comes and says there are many examples you can pick it’s sad, there’s no uh M’s gang glove versus ebony Bret, who clearly beat Bridges and is blocked from any rematch with Bridges hm, and I guess there’s some more.
But I can’t read some more okay, so yeah you know this the thing about it.
Women’S Boxing Channel.
I tried to leave the names off of my dancing matchmaking, all that all of that I try to leave the names off of my platform because I’m not giving y’all I’m not giving they don’t give me nothing and I ain’t giving them nothing, meaning they don’t give Me no public publicity, I’m not giving them any publicity right.
I’M looking at these people how they are, they are Fighters right now.
I if I do have to mention.
I will because there’s some political pull behind who you’re affiliated with in in this boxing scene, but I’m not GNA, I’m not going to say a name, I will say the promoter’s girl.
I will say all of that stuff because it’s the same terminology with with anything right, and I want my viewers – I want all of you got you all to understand this so um, you know you’ll even know how to protect your loved ones or those that you Know who are not uh on this level? I was just speaking to a lady the other day and she said her friend’s son.
He he he’s great, you know he’s uh in college, but he wants to be a professional boxer.
This this little dude is doing great in college about to have a degree in um, uh, Computer Engineering or something like that.
He wants to be a boxer.
Okay, so now he’s a Bo.
Okay! Fine, I don’t say, listen, I’m not gon na say he can’t be.
But what I’m saying is this right, the way they’re going at and he’s and and he he went to this tournament – they don’t even know that they don’t know whether he’s fighting amateur, uh, fights or Pro fights right.
They just know.
Oh, he wants to be a boxer, they don’t know the caliber of opposition.
This young man is fighting versus the caliber.
You know what he will need who he will need to fight.
They don’t know anything right and they’ve invested.
I I’m sure up to this point.
Thousands of dollars into this young man’s education right into his brain, holding all of this that he’s learning and he’s going into perect he’s going.
He wants to be a boxer.
I had to break it down to her right because I told her he’s only as good as his last fight and all of his fights ain’t G to be great because he’s a guy and he’s an unknown guy with no background so they’re going to throw him In over his head and if he and if he makes it out they’re going to throw keep, throwing him in over his head until one of two things happen right until he gets into a position where okay, somebody picks him up and he’s he’s starting to get Protected which that’s that’s a lottery ticket what’s most likely going to happen, is he’s just gon na become a better quality opponent for those who the PO, the political bodies have in mind to make their money off of that’s how that works, and it’s even worse for Women’S boxing, because at least in men – men, at least in the men’s boxing they’re, going to make sure the the MRIs and the E ECGs and all they’re going to make sure all of those things are done and turned in there’s accountability.
You can’t sweep that [ __ ] under the rug.
You can’t buy out the families anymore, but in women’s boxing like Janette zakarius, do you know that um they put out a p a publication? I think the following the week after this young lady died in the ring in Quebec, saying that her father said that her father said that she said that she was willing to die in the ring and he’s okay with what happened to her.
They put a publication like that out and the reason why I’m bringing this up is because, first of all, we know that.
That’S not true.
I don’t give a [ __ ].
I don’t care it um, I’m a parent.
I don’t care if I don’t care.
If my, if my child said that they could say whatever they want to, I’m not okay with that [ __ ] y’all done killed my child.
So no right, I’m! No! So we know we already.
I a lot of us already knew those of us like sugar.
That’S gon na read between the lines and know what this industry is Right know that this is already this.
This publication, this this media um provider, they went and got they when got paid off to put this out here in the in in the media.
So now, when you Google, what happened this pops up? First, because it was the first article to come out right, and there was a discussion about this previously, where one of the person, one of the people involved in the discussion, had the nerve had the nerve.
I was there, I had to y’all know how I am my Misfits, who are true y’all know.
I will snap and I snapped talking about her.
Dad said he was okay with it.
She said she wanted to die in the ring, so she should there it that.
Excuse me, you were you there when she said that, were you there when her daddy said that, oh you got it from an article huh over somebody that that died, because they didn’t check her MRI if they had checked.
If they KN looked at her MRI, they would have known KN that um Cynthia Lozano hurt her real bad in the fight before and she should be suspended right and they would have known from what further research and it’s coming out.
Zakaria’S mother, saids, Zakaria called home.
The teenage girl called home okay and and told her that the fighter that she’s fighting did not make the weight.
She looks like an older woman.
Okay, this is what Janette zakarius told her mom her mother said.
Listen her mother told her because this is this is from an interview with the mother.
Her mother told her that if you think that things are not right or if you’re in there and you cannot go on, stop she’s a teenager now you think she’s going to stop.
I’Ve been a fighter right where I should have there’s been situations where I should have stopped, but I couldn’t I I I couldn’t because I’m in it so the people that have my back.
That’S why your corner is so important.
They have to make those decisions for you and they have to care, and I’m telling you right – 98 % of women’s boxing ain’t on that kind of timing right everyone’s trying to get over on everyone, even the people in your corner.
So you have to be careful.
I’Ve experienced this firsthand, okay, not making none of this up.
I wish this was something that didn’t happen right because then it’d be fun right, but this is dangerous and I I don’t want women right, because we are the Cornerstone Stone of we are the the Cornerstone of society right under.
Please correct me right, but we the ones having the babies right, we the ones right, so we, the ones that’s, got to be right up here in order to be okay for that baby right, because I’ve never seen anywhere and and yes, it takes a village to Raise a child but ain’t, nobody F to raise your child, that’s your baby! You know what I’m saying so we have to this.
Is a teenager um another one um that I’m going to mention tonight: alej Alejandra Ayala who fought Hannah ranking right.
These are women in their Prime.
Some of us have children.
Some of us are going to have children right.
We need to be of of of our mind, needs to be here for that Duty.
That’S our Duty right! So that’s our place, we’re not considering this.
So we have to protect ourselves and each other in women’s boxing.
Somebody has to think about this right because Amanda Serrano with this book and the 12 round three minutes y’all already know I think she probably gets she probably get to use her cell phone on the weekends.
Now she already came out and said she don’t get that.
I don’t even have a cell phone right, that’s unrealistic.
Right because N, I would say 98 % of women.
Boxers got a job.
We got to have a cell phone, we got, we got job, we got kids, we got responsibilities, we gota be accountable for something other than just fighting, so let’s not make the let’s not let these people make decisions for us, um women’s says uh cherry picking always Gone on, and let me tell you women’s Boxing Channel cherry picking happened, yes, but it got.
It was really when it got really really bad was in the 2000s.
Yeah was in that when 2000 first started right, that’s when it got really bad right and I I’m not sure because it would uh they were doing it really nasty over there in Germany.
That’S why we all stopped going there right, but in different places you go to South America them [, __ ] be on them roids and you knew it going down there right, but we did it because we wanted to fight.
There was no other option right.
So we learned we learned to fight we’re, not learning to point fight, meaning that we’re learning to defend we’re learning what comes with going into this jungle that I’ve mentioned before right, women boxers from pre the before women, the the Trailblazers, the Pioneers we we weren’t pretty In there, but we had a better IQ of what the hell was supposed to be going on in that ring ring right.
We’Re not domesticated like these young broad.
These wetnse broads are now where you feel like you, can point fight and be a champion and then people hand claing and [ __ ], that’s been in boxing for years.
That’S seen the that’s seen the progression of it not saying anything.
We need to stop that.
I don’t care, I don’t listen.
Melissa said this right and she was a great fighter.
She said a lot of y’all wasn’t on my team when I was fighting the hell.
I what thank you for thank you for nominating me for an award, but I don’t.
I don’t need it.
I got this far without you.
I got this far y’all W y’all wern’t, saying nothing about me right, there’s a lot of Fighters out there! That’S not on this damn! Oh now I get some attention.
Oh interview me, oh right, because that that’s that’s what it was for the majority of it right as long there was some mad attention starve, broads in the industry and whether you getting your ass whooped or not.
As long as the camera flashed in your direction, you want some right on on some dummy, [, __, ] we’ve got to stop it now.
We got sense right.
My grandmother used to say this.
You know better you going to do better.
So when I catch your ass when you out here and I got to come to you – there’s no questions, I’m not gon na.
Ask you nothing because you knew better.
I’M GNA tear your ass up.
That’S what my grandmother used to say and guess what she never did ask a question.
She just said.
Oh so you you know that you know that this then came back.
This came back to me right, but I because I knew better.
Okay, so I mean that’s where it is.
We got to know better, we can’t we, we can’t be on some fan.
Fanboy fan gal St stuff in this industry.
This is the women’s boxing.
Is the new come up right? Now, all you? Oh, I can.
I can interview a bunch of these broads now.
Oh, I can talk boxing about these broads now.
Why? Because number one? No one really cares enough to know whether I’m telling the truth about the [, __ ] or not, number two uh.
I all I got to do I I just got to kind of skim over and read about what’s happening now, because nobody really cares about what happened before right and number three, nobody checks.
So it’s the new come up.
I’Ve never seen so many boxing and an and Analysis and all of this [ __ ], on about women’s boxing, where y’all asses was at where your ass was at.
You know I’m on this rant or whatever, but seriously I and I’m seeing that they.
These people get views too, but they can’t tell you they.
They will never, and they cannot tell you what this thing really is.
I’M looking at it like this, we’ve got little girls little baby girls coming up and if everybody’s hyped off of what Clarissa and Amanda up here talking about, they don’t know because in these interviews and [, __ ] you’re only interviewing the Champions right.
The ones who was the ones who were oky doing people out here, you’re, not interviewing the ones who participate.
Who was a part of it who made those Champions to help make those Champions you’re, not interviewing those Jane couches over there in the UK right? She should.
The the word, the name they should all be going to her uh women’s Boxing Channel Sandy Ryan, should have been in her damn inbox because Jane couch know she she season for real.
She knows what goes down she’ll tell her and she, whatever it is that she told her she could have used.
Um uh, J, JD Smith, uh Digi artist, says if her father actually did say that I assume that mindset is to make it easier for him to move on because no way would any parent truly be okay with her death.
That’S what I’m saying! No it it’s! I didn’t he didn’t even say that, because um the upon further research – because I that is something that Su does have time for keeping up with these things – um, it’s the mother, the mother, she’s, giving time she’s giving times and dates right when you start when somebody Start giving you information those type of details, that’s when you listen right, the general [ __ ] that they lying they can lie.
People can can uh gar garnish any story, but give me give me the details right.
That’S why I don’t have time for small talk, because that’s small talk now when you can tell me the details of something now you got my attention right, so um, that’s where that was um, JD um, JD Smith, says wet nose, broad LOL! Well, you y’all going you going to learn.
My termin Oles on here on the sugar show wet nose, yeah, so the wet nose, meaning that you just coming out you you’re just coming out your um ammy Pampers right, you haven’t you, you you haven’t charted the you haven’t, walked this jungle.
You don’t know what these Waters, these deep black ocean waters, really look and feel like you’ve been sitting on the beach.
The whole time right right, you’ve been you’ve been a a a house cat.
This whole time right.
We out here in the jungle anything likely to kill you and you can’t eat or drink anything that they hand to you.
Neither right, because I’ve also had experiences where oh, you want something to drink.
Oh you want something to eat.
I grab it.
My coach hits it out my hand, says you don’t never, unless I give it to you unless you buy bite yourself matter of fact, unless you bite yourself, don’t you ever take nothing to drink from nobody at no fights before no fights or after no fights? Why well, if they don’t get you if, if they don’t get, you in the ring, they’ll certainly try to get your ass outside the ring.
Okay, but nobody knows these rules, ain’t, no seasoning there! That’S the seasoning that I’m talking about right, so you can get in there and and pity Pat and point point fight with your damn Elementary School ass combinations hit and run hit and run right.
Let me tell you something, though: there was a fight that happened, and I couldn’t even I I got to have a this.
Give me time to talk about this fight um.
What’S her name, um yasta of Val versus Anabel orti right and I will take either one of them because them them broads are bad okay, both of them I’ll.
Take it from both look at uh as um sha um.
Who is it the other Golden Boy? The other Golden Girl girl, y’all down there, listen Okay, this down in your’ way class.
I I think I like the action that I’m seeing down there too yasta um V.
I think she’s Costa Rican and Annabelle Ortiz, a old Crone Champion that was a fight.
Y’All need to check that out.
Okay, I I I wanted to talk about that um for this one, but I just feel like you know, I sugar needs to address this topic for real for real okay, so um I mentioned Alejandra Ayala.
Who is another fighter who got set up that way? Okay, and these are South American – these are like Mexican Fighters right, but they do this women from Hungry come over women from all of these other places.
That really don’t have that kind of pull to protect their citizens, even though it’s still happening it’s happening in North America too, right but they’re shipping out people um that you know they they’re they’re, bringing in people because they don’t have to when.
If it’s not a citizen or anything here, they ask ain’t nobody gon na sue them from across the seas.
You know what I’m saying: JD Smith says: uh, sorry, you said animal Ortiz versus Annabelle Ortiz versus yokasta, the the a l l e.
They call her Yoko good fight man, it was a good fight and I’m saying it wasn’t one-sided either.
I would have liked it.
These two fighters could do three minutes at 12 rounds right um.
I see some education in this matchup.
These are two educated Fighters.
Right ain’t: nobody running ain’t, nobody uh finding a place to to to hide from a fight.
These Brads are standing there.
They not moving out too far.
They right there, especially um Annabelle Ortiz.
She got that look in her fa that that’s how sugar I I I saw myself in there for a little bit and she let that little [ __ ] cuz um yokasta Yoko is a wet nose compared to um Annabelle for real for real, so Annabelle stood In front of her and let her know, listen, [ __, ] huh, you got to prove you got to prove something to me tonight.
Let’S go right and it was a fight and I and I like it, I like it that way right.
It’S not! Oh peekaboo! Oh I’m a windmilling and now a now the judge is gon na make a decision, because I’m this [ __ ] out here running and this [ __ ] out here win milling.
And then I guess the judge will give the fight to the person.
Who does the best ABC one? Two three uh combination punches right, that’s where we are right now, it’s really not interesting and and they’re getting TV time and they’re getting the money for it right.
So let me let me go into um Alejandra aala.
All right, 14 wins six losses.
Zero draws all right, so 14 win out of her 14 wins.
She’S has eight K’s and out of the six losses she’s had two, including the one who the the the loss that to that has made her uh have to come out of boxing okay, she fought the fighter Hannah Rankin Hannah Rankin is a top Contender.
I believe at in in super middleweight division, um one of the names on her list or on her receipt is Clarissa Shields.
Okay, so um excuse me y’all.
I got my my notification um.
I got my phone next to me here: um, okay, so um.
Since this fight happened, I think, a year ago, a year or two ago, Hannah Rankin is going on her third fight right on her third fight under the radar right cuz, she went incognit Incognito right.
She kept going.
Alejandra ass had to sit down as a matter of fact she had to stay in Scotland.
I think Glasgow Scotland, where the fight happened, huge event right, because every people want to make history, especially with women, with this women’s boxing thing right it that’s the F.
Oh history, history, not knowing that we already have our own history.
Thank you very much, sit your ass down and get to know us right, because even that one Hannah ranking she oh.
So this is the first female um Main Event card in history.
In Scotland it was Glasgow or whatever it is.
I think yeah correct me if I’m wrong cuz my my um my talk and fight guy, they they do um they they do dot my eye or cross my tea.
If, if I get, if I’m getting it misconstrued, okay, but for most of the time she G know what she’s talking about? Okay, so um, now after being stopped um Hannah Rankin stops Alejandra in the 10th round this fight.
So that means Alejandra is getting you know.
She’S getting beaten beaten to the point, she’s, probably in the fight but she’s getting beat it’s a 10 round match.
Okay, two minute 10 Rounds: okay, um and then after the fight she had to be put in emergency in a in in an induced coma immediately after okay, uh lovely assistant.
Can you change my image because I think I have an image that has something to do with this [ Music ], please, oh JD Smith says dope.
I’M gon na look up the fight.
Yeah look up the fight right and you know this is the thing about um uh, women’s boxing JD um.
Sorry, I just got to type a message because my lovely assistant must be asleep um.
The thing about women’s boxing is you’re not going to see.
Don’T look at our fights thinking, you’re gon na see the same thing as you would see in a male fight, meaning men.
You want to see somebody jog at crooked or you know, head SN, you you want to see somebody doing the stanky leg in there or whatnot and that’s fine right I’ve.
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