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EPISODE: Episode 1
Step into the ring with Natalie Suage Brown on this week’s episode of “The Sugar Show.” Tonight, we’re diving deep into a burning topic in the world of Women’s Boxing: the debate around the 3-minute, 12-round format. Why is this such a contentious issue? How does it affect the athletes, the fans, and the integrity of the sport?
SUGAR provides her take on the matter, discussing the history behind the round lengths, the challenges, benefits, and the potential future of this format in Women’s Boxing. Whether you’re a seasoned boxing aficionado or just curious about the sport, this episode promises to enlighten and engage.
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What’S up, y’all, hey y’all, hey! So it’s 7 30 on a Wednesday night! Yes! Well, you know, you know how we do okay, it would six minutes after 7 30.
, but I made it I’m here and you’re here too okay.
So this is the Natalie sugar brown show um.
This is my platform where I talk to talk and tell you the real.
What’S up, what’s happening about women’s boxing? Why? Because I’m a woman boxer! Yes, I still claim it been there done that: okay, no to real.
In this field, okay, so I’m here and on the talking fight guys gave me this platform that the the tell it no sugar coating okay.
So we always keep it real and it’s always a party when we link up those who are new.
There’S no such thing as a silly question, a dumb question, or you know what I’m saying that don’t don’t feel don’t feel silly or or stupid with any questions you might ask or anything that you might want to add.
Okay, but this is a debatable.
This is a platform where you can get debated.
Okay, we do keep it respectful, okay, we’re gon na always keep it respectful.
Everyone has their say and we do respect the things that you say, but we gon na call you on your on your [ __ ].
Right if it’s on some [ __ ], you know if it’s on some real good stuff – and you know we always want to learn from each other and and your your perspective is always valuable.
It’S just gon na up our game in this talk that we talk about women’s box and so hey, hey y’all ever here and uh tonight’s show we’re talking about the 12 rounds thing.
Okay, now the thing about it is in women’s boxing.
This 12 round talk been a talk ever since I was a little wet nose right, not doesn’t me, I mean you know it’s the sugars, Sugar’s a crown out here.
Okay, y’all know what a crone is.
Those who are new, uh Crohn’s are uh women Fighters or women boxers who have been around logging uh long enough to where we are um past the uh prime age, so-called prime age of um or prime years of women of active boxing.
But that doesn’t mean we’re.
Not still dangerous, it just means that you know um, we up there in age, okay and there’s nothing wrong with that, especially there’s.
Nothing wrong with a woman who has an extended uh yeah, an exit, exceptional career as a fighter who’s able to sit down and have a proper conversation right, because this fight game is no joke.
Okay uh many of us, I’m gon na claim us men and women who have fought for years and put their lives in sacrificed.
They don’t make it out of of the industry with all their faculties with everything.
That’S a part of the sacrifice right so um, the beautiful part about sugar is somehow not somehow on purpose.
You know I put the work in.
I learned what I needed to learn.
I did what I needed to do and I mean yeah.
She looks a little crazy now, I’m not saying that’s your girl ain’t a little bit Froot Loops, but I remain sweet, okay and um.
I know what I’m talking about when I talk about this this this women’s boxing thing: okay, now, yes, this 12 round talk is a topic because all of a sudden now um rip out the plastic she acting brand new yeah yeah.
I said I had to that.
I mean that’s been the same on I’ve been hearing that on the radio for like it’s in my head now, but yeah rip her out the plastic Amanda Serrano out here talking about she’s gon na go 12 three minute rounds with somebody.
I I I’m not going to talk about the actual versus fight who’s.
Fighting who I I know Amanda, is to talk now, she’s a celebrity fighter, women boxer, so um she’s.
The topic I mean what she’s doing right now is the topic, but it’s not really about her.
Okay.
Now this 12 round talk is coming up because they’re talking about first in history and all of this stuff, but I want to say this: women’s boxing we’ve had and you know, there’s an allure in okay.
Can a woman go 12 rounds? Can a woman go three minutes? Can a woman go three 12 minute rounds should have had to go here right, but I’ve been rounds.
Yes, okay and the the issue is um.
They couldn’t keep up with me, but we’re talking about in the boxing ring.
Okay but um, I’m just saying I’m just saying you know you want to talk about who can’t go to rounds.
Um, they’re, saying uh.
Many have argued that women are not able to endure the um, the the actual um punishment, because we have to call it that it is what it is of uh 12 rounds.
I mean one two, three, four, five, ten them twelve rounds of of.
You know three minutes of you know getting get getting beat on and beating on somebody else right.
So this is like a you know, they’re saying that we cannot we’re not able as women to endure that type of punishment, but men are okay.
Now the the you know, the guys behind the whole thing is safety.
50.
We want the women safe.
We want to keep the women safe.
Okay, now, there’s no safety in fighting okay, whether you’re a male or a female there’s.
No safety in fighting there’s no safety.
In the preparation of it there’s no safety right, we can wear all the gear we want, we can eat as well as we can.
You know what I’m saying we can take all the vitamins and minerals and sleep.
We can do all of that, but there’s really no safety in combat in a fight right, because anything can happen right it you want to say a fight is safe.
You may as well say that you know who’s going to win the fight or you know the you can really predict down to the you know.
You know the the round and the punches, how the fight’s gon na go, and no one can do that.
Not at least not in a fair fight right um, now for this 12 round uh topic that just came up at three minutes: the Undisputed Champion uh Amanda Serrano.
Is she featherweight um? Yes, I that’s one thing: if it’s not my weight class, I you know it goes.
I got short-term memory for that, but she is an Undisputed Champion.
Yes, uh talking fight, my guys, if you can um, I think she’s 126.
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The champion at one Undisputed at 126, is it 126 or 130.
I don’t know one down in that that way way division.
She got all the belts.
Okay.
Now the thing is now: she wants to make a history right, because it’s all about history, the first, the first them Deva in women’s boxing to do a lot of [ __ ].
That I mean you could be the first to do a lot of [ __ ], but like let’s, let’s, let’s be stable in what the hell we’re doing before we add any more first to the list.
You know what I’m saying: let let there be enough people right for when you do these firsts a lot of these first things.
You can have people coming with you right.
So when you do, when you’re trying to be the first to fight 12 rounds at three minutes, well, how many women out here? How many of us out here are getting fights getting well-paid fights, getting recognition for the fights that we’re having right um? How many contenders are are really being utilized? Real contenders are being utilized for you to have a first 12 rounder right.
My whole thing about this 12 round thing, especially for now right because it’s been done, the the 12 rounds have been done before um, not 12.
Uh yeah, they have been 12.
Women have fought 12 rounds at three minutes.
Yes, yeah, okay, it has happened, um and then there was even um back in the day day.
One of our um, I would say I’ll, call her a Pioneer um fought 15 rounds, but two minutes at 15 rounds.
Okay, now the thing about this is and uh.
You know a lot of my uh a lot of my sisters in boxing they go on.
They go on hate me for saying this at this point in the game, maybe back in the maybe back in the 70s 80s 90s.
I could see where it would be entertaining for women to fight 12.
I mean yeah 12 rounds at three minutes per round.
Right not even to 15 rounds that the men would do, but the 12 month rounds at three minutes.
Why? Because um, though we weren’t as polished, I’m gon na, say we because I also say we when I talk about these new Point: fighting broads, okay, we weren’t as polished, but we had all of the other ingredients that is needed to perform and make a 12 round.
Three minute battle entertaining right because there has to be some entertainment in it.
That’S why I mean that’s what that’s why we’re on that stage that platform? That’S why we’re under those lights, for you guys right, but for us in women’s boxing I mean I’ve gone 15 rounds inspiring 15.
Three minute rounds inspiring you know, but sparring is different from an actual fight.
You know what I’m saying: I’ve I’ve done, the grueling work.
I’Ve been in some Wars right outside of these sanctions fights.
So I know not just me, but we can do this and I there has been some I’ve had some Wars with some of my fellow women who are, I mean sugar, y’all know I I wouldn’t say I’m a celebrity fighter.
You know I was known for uh a good amount of my accomplishments, but not known like how you know these broads now are on huge platforms and are being promoted and are on.
You know in the news and on social uh, social media, uh platforms, and things like that.
We didn’t have that right.
So you know we didn’t have I mean coming from from then you know we didn’t have the polished, like I said, of it, I’m from that.
I’M I’m, I would classify myself as a a an old school fighter, um old school female fighter, because of that but um.
You know there were firsts and there were history makers back then, because it was so hard to it was so hard to have things our way as women.
So we had to do it the way that the male, our male counterparts, did it right.
We were having to to train as, if we’re fighting three minutes, we had to train it as if we were going the 12 rounds.
We weren’t sparring with men, mostly yeah.
We were you know and I’m I’m not going to I’m not going to say you know the men were taking it easy on us right, because when you were in the gym and you’re a female in the gym at the time these men, these men, they’re, not They’Re, looking at you like, what are you doing here right and you have to prove what you’re doing there just about every day until they become convinced? Oh she’s, serious and you’re, not proving it in? Oh I’m sexy in here no you’re proving it and I’m [ __ ] what it’s a sparring Cipher going.
Oh you throwing me in oh okay and I’m in right and we had to learn to take the beats and give what we could right.
But now you there’s a lot more respect for uh women boxers in the game and there is a place for us, so we really don’t have to conform to or or step up to what the men are doing now, because we have our own lane.
They’Ve acknowledge our Lane right, but before we were, our lane had to be the same Lane as as the men.
I hope I hope you all are following me right.
So you know the the 12 like, like.
I said, the 12 rounds, the three minutes.
You know this wasn’t alien to us now in getting sanctioned fights license, fights uh in doing my you know in doing some some research I just kind of skimmed the surface.
I think I know uh enough um.
It was hard for me to find any any proof or factual article to confirm our history of women’s boxing in in women’s box.
The only place I could find these things is wban, the women’s boxing archive Network.
Okay, I tell you this: is the Bible of women’s boxing right, wban.
com? Okay, now, because um this platform has been, The Collector right has been, The Collector of everything has been.
The one to say has been our voice to say: yes, we’re here, we’re doing it right.
I don’t see where now that you know now, there’s ring Maxi Maxi ESPN, all these other platforms that are now acknowledging um women, boxers right, but they’ve they’re, only acknowledging from a certain point in time.
There’S no acknowledgment of the deep rooted history of of us and what we we do and what we’ve done so when Amanda comes out with the oh, I’m doing history and I’m doing 12 rounds three minutes so first in history.
Well, you know: there’s some there’s a bit.
I guess there’s a bit of Truth to that and there’s, but as a whole, this [ __ ].
I knew it ain’t real women’s boxing history.
It ain’t something that we’re good.
You know she’s not making it for all of us, she’s doing it to say.
Oh, I did it right if you want to do it, you know this is what puts me on the fence.
You know I like her this.
I like her one week.
I can’t stand abroad the next week right, if you want to make a statement for this 12 round, [ __ ] in women’s boxing.
Not only should you be the one doing it on the card, but [ __ ] invite a couple other broads to the party right there.
Anybody else, one.
If I I’m having a party, I’m happy it’s going to be a show.
My man Jake putting on a damn, show any of y’all bras, I’m fighting 12 rounds.
I know I’m a dancer the whole time, I’m a dancer whole 12, three minute round.
If this [ __ ] will go with me, we gon na dance the whole 12 rounds.
Three minutes: what’s 12 10 3, we gon na fight 36 minutes.
Yes, we are, who want to do it too right make a statement, have four other broads three other break at least two other broads under you fighting 12 three minute rounds too.
We all Gon na Make History right this.
I I mean me: there can only be one chair queen, chair, [, __ ] is played in women’s boxing, it is so played, it is, it’s played, is played right, we don’t wear each other’s underwear, that’s how played it is.
That’S like borrowing another broad’s, underwear, [ __ ].
Do we uh do we’re? Not there anymore, you don’t have to borrow another garage Bridges, you buy your own right and then you know.
If there’s a everybody can get some everybody can buy a pair of britches right.
So, if you’re making it so, if you’re making history make history make women’s box in history right, I am Amanda Serrano me and my broads.
We gon na fight 12 three minute rounds on this show and I’m gon na do mine for a championship.
That’S History! That’S History right because it’s been done what she does, what she’s done has been done before by Layla McCarter Layla McCarter fought um the first time Laila McCarter fought and – and I remember I was around right – I was a wet nose when she was rallying for this [ __ ] Layla McCarter.
Nobody talks about her anymore.
I mean it’s like they’re, really trying to downplay Layla McCarter and Layla McCarter uh.
You know that.
That’S one that that’s one who’s walked the road who who got a couple blocks, who put a couple blocks in the road right because um she she really had humble begins.
She really grew in this sport.
Um Layla, McCarter uh rallied for 12-3 minute rounds.
She first fought Donna Biggers, who was another uh contender in women’s boxing goodness.
I can’t even remember now now I got ta remember this, but I I and I didn’t make the note I didn’t make the um.
I should have put the dates in my notes, but that’s for y’all to do do some homework.
Man um Leila McCarter did that against Donna Biggers and Leila McCarter also fought now.
This was a great great match.
This was a super match in women’s boxing.
Okay, this this was, you know in fight that needs to happen and all that [ __ ] this and stuff uh well.
This was one of them right: uh, Layla, McCarter versus Melissa, Hernandez, two great Fighters, two great women boxers got in there, okay and they were going.
They said they was going dance until somebody stopped.
We had what they had 12 rounds to do it and they had three minutes in every in every round right and they both signed up the dance, the whole time and whoever stopped right.
It was up to whoever stopped, but you had to make it right.
You now what happened is the first one, Layla McCarter versus Donna, Biggers.
Well, Donna Donna didn’t make it past round two.
She got stopped in round two Donna beggars, but then uh this with this great.
This super fight that I’m telling you guys about Layla McCarter versus Melissa, Hernandez boy.
I tell you that was the y’all that to me I mean we tell them.
You do old people always talking about in the olden days when when I was well, this was when you know this was when I was uh still pretty.
I was around, I wasn’t too young and again I was a contender too, but this [ __ ] was the [ __ ], okay, um Melissa, Hernandez versus Layla McCarter and Layla McCarter stopped Melissa Hernandez in round eight okay, and this wasn’t no lopsided a side.
B-Side [ __ ] that they like to talk about now, which oh the winner is planned.
No, we really wanted to see who who was going to do it right? It’S nothing like watching a match, a boxing match where you it you don’t know it could go either way the excitement of it right, seeing them go back and forth.
Somebody has a good rest.
Somebody come back.
Oh oh, you know this is.
This is how the fight was going.
It wasn’t one-sided right.
The both of these broads was bad.
Okay, but Melissa Hernandez ended up being the one who got stopped in round nine.
Okay, so um, you know it, it wasn’t.
It’S it’s not a matter of.
Oh.
Can we do it and imagine the train we we’ve always been.
You know, we’ve always been looking to do that.
I don’t know maybe these young rods now, but ah the older I mean even Brooke.
You know we trained, we, we trained assuming three minutes right.
I remember being told that you fight too much like a male Pro.
Somebody told me that, because I was fighting the three minutes and y’all know a three-minute fight ain’t the same as a two-minute fight.
Let me just kind of break it down to you right.
So two minutes you could [ __ ] for the first 30 seconds footwork.
Oh, I can run.
I can be a track.
Star run up peek-a-boo.
The next 30 seconds flurry flurry right another 30 seconds here I go, I’m a track star again: oh I’m not even winded right and then the last 30 seconds right, because you got four blocks of 30 seconds, I’m going flurry and and and play hide and seek, And move – and I I went around right – that’s the science behind two minutes ain’t! Nobody fighting two minutes, you’re, not fighting two minutes, you’re, not standing in it.
I don’t care what nobody’s saying so.
This watch [ __ ] this best stepper in history and [ __ ].
You can’t you can’t convince me when I know what it feels like and what brought you know older what the Pioneers were doing back in the day.
You know when, when you were expected to fight three minutes, when you were expected to go at least 10 rounds three minutes, sometimes that we we had four three minute rounds.
You know a lot of these fights.
A lot of these Champions wouldn’t be Champions if they had to win their fights fighting for three minutes right, because fighting for three minutes takes heart right, because the first two I told you, you [ __ ] through the first two that last minute, though, when they Catch up to you, do you have the gumption to fight, because you want to stand in it.
You’Re gon na have to stand and fight.
You’Re gon na have to stand and take that beat.
Can you are you? Can you? Are you Tough Enough? Are you smart enough? Do you do you have enough scales to do that right? So that’s the question now my thing too, with Amanda right, okay, you’re doing it great he’s doing it Jake Paul.
She got backer she’s doing it with a contender.
Who is? I have you heard of um this Ramos fighter.
I think she has what 15 fights right.
Ah, do I do a um? Do one of those fights you know bring bring back a oldie but goodie Amanda Serrano versus Melissa, St bill.
You know what I’m saying: Amanda Serrano versus Tiara Brown for 12 or three minute rounds, strong contenders, women or broads that you know she gon na, have to show her weight, prove her weight insult in that ring.
Since you want to make history right, it’s not enough.
Just to stand in it’s the me show: I’m gon na do this for 12 rounds, and now I’ve made history no right take a risk.
Take a risk right, bring somebody up with you.
I know you did.
That has a holiday thing, but not you! That’S the standard now Amanda, that’s the standard.
That means you know what you’re doing right and all of a sudden you’ve done brought Heather Hardy up.
You know and Heather hardened.
You know: Heather uh, okay! Well, you know more, you know more Fighters that can do it.
You know more fighters who have been around in this game that you don’t have to carry or you won’t have to you know it that’ll make this fight entertaining for everyone and make it a real historical battle match right.
Like you know, the the Four Kings Ray Leonard them, Tommy Hearns them um Hagler Duran Roberto the boy that was my.
I like that Roberto Duran right, like you sign that you you hear his his name, and you know that okay, dismal um, uh Benitez last name.
What’S his name uh, something Benito like these are men.
I love the 80s right.
I love.
I love back when Sugar Ray Robinson was fighting.
I think what was that 30s? Was it the 30s right? And then I love when I love the 80s okay.
I I just kind of saw the turning point of fighting in in those eras in men boxing and I and I really loved it um for women’s boxing.
I haven’t seen: there’s really no turning point.
It’S so scattered! Now, right, I don’t it’s.
It’S has we we’ve been on this flat line as far as growth and maturity right.
You have to be mature as a fighter to stay in there for three minutes.
You have to be between you’re, making decisions right, you’re you’re, not just throwing flurries right dude.
You have to there’s a plan and a strategy.
Otherwise you blow you you blow your.
You know you blow your work, you have to it it’s a picture.
Much like this just a picture that you’re painting for the three minute duration of the 12 rounds right and if you’re successful.
Your opponent then reveals the picture.
You were painting, meaning that if you are attacking that that certain place or if you were doing that, setting up that certain combo to now bring them down.
You have enough time that three-minute fight is deep water, not shallow paddling, deep water diving because you got ta know what you’re doing and you’ve got to know what you’re going down there for you got to know how long you got to get it done right.
Two minutes split Splash I Was ticketing out – can’t do that right, so um now the thing the another thing about this is there’s so um.
I have made some some notes um, so seeing as uh Amanda Serrano has the WBA.
Oh sorry – and I mentioned I meant to mention another uh fighter who has recent another recent fighter who has done the three minute thing: okay, so cenisha Estrada and Marlon espar uh Esparza right those two which that was a super fight too right.
Don’T sleep on that on that fight, it’s a great fight! It’S a great fight! Okay, that was a woman super fight.
These ladies, are the lower weight.
What is it um, I think less than than lower weight um.
I think Tunisia may have even moved up in weight because she’s a very she’s, a tiny Fighter, um to fight Marlene Esparza um, so they went 10 rounds, but they went 10 three minute rounds and they fought for the WBA title: okay, where cinesia Estrada stopped uh Marlena Esparza, okay, now they’re saying: oh, they got stopped on an accidental head button and have to go to the score.
Let me tell you something about fighting in three minute rounds.
If you get busted up, that means you was getting your ass whooped.
I ain’t no accident.
We we button heads all the time.
Trust me there’s no fight where oh, it’s clean, I’m not getting head-butted.
Oh I’m not getting elbowed.
Oh you know what I’m saying: no you’re getting head-butted.
You know um so um, where, where I’m coming from in the um in this three-minute thing, is you know it’s like? I said it’s not unusual, uh Sinise Estrada versus Marlena sparza.
They did it, they did it.
Okay, um.
The thing is, you know, I don’t see where it has gone the extent of okay.
This is gon na, be a 12 round decision where these both ladies have made it.
They put a hell of a fight on, and it’s made it to the the um end.
Someone someone couldn’t make it to the end of the road in the in in this fight.
Okay, so that’s where earlier in what I was saying later and y’all know, you know, I’m I’m long-winded.
It is that’s just me, okay, but that’s what I was saying.
You know, let’s get good at one thing before we jump and make history at at other [ __ ] right.
Let’S have more women boxing at three minutes and uh six rounds.
Eight rounds 12 rounds 10 Rounds.
You know because we don’t do 12 rounders, but let’s have more female bouts that do that before we jump and start making history right, because then, due tomorrow you know people the women other women out here.
Talking about.
Oh, we we want a bit Pages the same as the men and we want to do this.
Well, I always say this women’s boxing: that’s our bag men’s boxing, that’s their bag right.
We can’t jump in their bag and and and snatch money out right.
They, the the promoters, are promoting them.
They’Re signing their own deals, they’re, making their own negotiations right.
They have a huge greater following than us in women’s boxing okay, so their bag is not our bag.
Let’S get our bag filled.
Okay, meaning, like I said, more women fighting those uh duration of rounds and minutes per round.
Let’S have more of us do that.
So then, when we start saying, oh, we should get paid by the man and we were.
We can legitimately say here’s our paper trail.
We’Ve been doing it consistently cut us our check right.
This is now equal, labor type of deal right, we’re getting.
We have a following we’re getting the same.
We we we’re doing we’re doing the same work, we’re not doing the same work.
You guys we’re not we’re.
Not doing the same work as the men, we don’t deserve to be getting these million dollar paydays like them, these men, okay, these men are at least fighting contenders who are at a certain standard right I mean now.
I can’t even I can’t even speak too much on it now, because I I what I’m seeing out here very few of them right now: some a side b, side, soap, opera, boo, Jive right, but we women’s boxing, we’re skipping too many steps for it to make Sense for us right just because the men’s are doing it don’t mean it’s good for us right.
So, like I said consistency, let’s have, let’s have more women doing this, and uh history making would have been Amanda, bringing some other broads on the same show: Hey Jake.
I’M gon na need two or three other girls to do this thing you want to make history, you want to beat that, thank God for Jake, okay! Well, let’s do this.
If you want to do this right, let’s do this for women’s boxing, not oh! I I I me me: it’s been too many who have done it right.
So, okay, Amanda you do you did it.
So, let’s talk about oh when they did it when they did it.
Oh we do it when we start talking like that right.
That’S when chi-ching, because we all on the same page, there’s a standard set.
We expect right A lot of these broads that now they they not deserving to be the champ, because they can’t make it they can’t even make it in a three-minute round fight three minute.
Yeah, because some of these right, they can’t even make it three minutes in four rounds.
I know it.
I can see it right, let’s filter that out and and get the real get the real work done.
So we can get paid for doing real work because I’m sorry that two-minute stuff, if you want to get paid like them in it ain’t real work like the men, are doing it’s not and you’re, not doing it against the the sharks that these men are fighting Against so you know, when you have Clarissa Shields, calling out Keith Thurman and all the dust uh low-key do y’all really want that fight.
Do women’s boxing, you saw that we stepped.
We was like okay, girl.
Okay, you do that bye for charity.
Okay, girl! You do it because um we’re not doing that.
I I’m not signing up for that.
I don’t I’m as as a woman and woman as a woman in women’s boxing.
No, I don’t advocate for mixed matches.
Why? Why do we need to think about fighting men? We could barely uh get fights fighting other women.
We can barely get Fair fights fighting other women.
Can you imagine now um the start of it? You women’s no one’s, no one checks, women’s uh, no one checks in women’s boxing, but in men’s boxing, if they’re checking know that they are much more evolved with the shenanigans than we are.
Do you really want us to merge and have to deal with that? [ __ ], I don’t think so.
Um we got men’s um, sucking the the the the weight out of themselves right and they get on the scale and then put the weight back on intravenously right.
That’S why they had the the claws where you can’t come in more than what is it 10 pounds? You can’t come back in to fight more than 10 pounds, uh 10 pounds over your your weight because they were, it was rampant.
So can you imagine, can you imagine Carissa Shields uh sign up to fight Keith Thurman, even if it’s for charity and Keith said okay and he treat her.
He he treats her equally like.
He would treat another dude and trains his ass off to fight her and then gets that done right, weighs in at um what 150 something pounds and then comes in Fight Night, a solid male 160, something pounds like think about it.
She really ain’t want that smoke right and I think she came on Facebook live to clear it up because I know – and I had to I just happened to be scrolling because I’m really not on social media.
But after that I happen to be scrolling and I saw her live explaining herself.
I was like yes girl.
Okay, you had definitely had to talk your ass out of cash.
In that damn check you had to you had to say: oh, that was a phony check.
Yeah I didn’t plan on cashing it.
I just I wrote it.
I didn’t sign it yeah right, so this is where we’re going with this um, this 12 rounds.
Three minutes talk, we’re not women’s boxing.
Isn’T ready we’re, not we’re not consistently doing this.
Not enough of us can do this, it’s not entertaining enough for us to jump and start doing three minutes at 12 rounds right.
This point.
Fighting [ __ ] gets boring enough if it ain’t the right, if it ain’t the right, broad, fighting or broads fighting this [ __ ] gets boring real fast right, because I I’m I get tired of watching slap boxing right after a while you just like.
Oh, it’s who’s going to win.
I think she, let’s, let’s make her win the winner all right.
Let’S go right! Women’S boxing! Isn’T these! These broads are not entertaining the least bit in two rounds to be fighting three rounds.
I’M not dissing! Nobody I’m telling y’all the truth, compare any of the the men’s fights the high-end men’s fights to the high-end women’s fights and see if you would be just as interested in in that female fight in that women’s boxing fight, if they added one more minute to the Round, as you would the male fight, that’s actually three minutes.
Would you be just as interested? Do you think it would I mean, do you think the well, I wouldn’t even say it look at look at the older School fight.
Look at you know when, when um James, Tony and them was around, you know what I’m saying um.
Even you know Nate Campbell them.
You know like those type of Fighters, those type of grueling Fighters, even even our the master, the you know, uh Emmanuel Augustus right.
They used to look at him and laugh at him, and now we we see, we see where he was really um as an entertaining fighter right.
Do we have performances like that in women’s boxing? No, not yet I’m looking forward to it, but no, not yet.
Okay.
So that’s you know that that’s where I’ma leave it um now lovely assistant.
I I do want to give some Kudos.
Can you put the image of the night up all right? So here we are.
This is an old school fighter, her name – and this is the broad to the far left.
Okay – and I had to like Sue help me with this one.
She ain’t help me help me, but she this is her image right, um, because uh this was one of the nominees uh for the women’s Boxing Hall of Fame uh International Boxing Hall of Fame, that that will be uh held in Las Vegas next month.
One of my guests, one of our the guests on our um, the sugar thread, uh said they was going to be there.
So I look forward to what they have to say about the event and actually being there but um to the far left is Cora Weber, twin sister of Dora Weber.
Okay, now the reason why I’m bringing up quora because Cora Weber to me, I just think this – is she’s she’s one of the the badasses of back in the day right, um, Cora Weber, um, actually fought uh Miriam tiger tramar, who was who is um a pioneer? A women’s boxing pioneer um, she was the first uh of three women to to actually legally be able to fight, receive a license from the New York State Commission to fight okay, so Cora Webber fought Miriam Tamar and I’m not sure how I’m I’m not sure.
If this is fagazi, you know or action, you know an actual uh legitimate result, but it did say it is said that she defeated uh tiger tremar in 1981, okay in a six round fight.
Now, I’m not sure if that was a two minute round fight or three minute round fight, I’m not sure, okay, because it’s hard to find any historical um resource for women’s boxing.
Excuse me, you guys, I’m just um yeah, it’s it’s hard! It’S like it didn’t happen.
If I, if I wasn’t it, I myself on the shoulder and on my back right because um I’ve realized that you know if it wasn’t for me and other in other women’s boxing historians like Melissa Smith, you know um and others.
I can’t name the name but shout out to Melissa Smith, because she came on my on the sugar show uh yeah, I’m Still Still reeling off.
Of that you know: um, wonderful, uh, wealth of information for women’s boxing history, which is very important.
You know I’d like to say that I’ve done enough research that I I would say that I am a woman boxing historian.
Yes, because I’m not I I know, I know it right, I know it so um and I can tell you what it is right.
I can tell you what what it is, what does it sound like what it tasted like what it smelled like? I could tell you right, because I I I’ve been through it um and, and I’ve been influenced by those who have been through it too um.
I respect you know I I respect the the um ones, who laid the foundation which is what’s missing from the new school abroad to our fighting.
They don’t know their history.
That’S why they’re going to end up um all news fast um.
So it’s brought here to the far left.
Uh Cora Weber, like I said, defeated Miriam tiger tremar in 1981, came back in 1997 and beat another badass Belinda la corente, okay, so from 1981 to 1997.
, okay and Belinda wasn’t no walk in the park.
She ain’t have.
No power like she, she couldn’t bust, a grape right, but you talking about boxing IQ boxing IQ, one of the best that ever done it Belinda uh uh Lara, cuente.
Okay, I don’t know what she’s doing now, uh it it I’m.
I have to um put some feelers out there.
I hope everything’s good.
You know us us, women, pugilists, that’s women Fighters.
The the sad thing about us is when, when we’re done, you know it’s done right.
There’S no! There’S no way that we we can keep our foot in in in in the circle, Because, unless you’re active, there’s really no place for you.
Unfortunately, now, if, if we, I think we should um uh Sue Fox with now the women’s box International women’s boxing um Hall of Fame she’s, making a place that we can all get together and you know be acknowledged for what we’ve done and and how great we Were you know, but can you imagine if the when, when that wasn’t around right, heartbreaking right, a woman would just have to walk away and become something else, and that’s that right where men you know, that’s I still see I, you know.
I’Ve been I’ve been around old school mailboxes where people were out and people hey.
Aren’T you such and such hey come here.
Let me buy you a.
Let me buy you dinner.
Let me buy one you you would.
Everyone gets uh everyone dinners on me and I’m like damn your ass ain’t, [ __ ] a long time, and they still remembering you where I have had the heartbreaking experience of meeting a Pioneer, a woman boxing pioneer and they looking at her like she’s a bum Like she’s a joke and I’m like I’m not even going to name the name, I’m like do you know, do you know who this is? I like, I got mad and was like listen I’ll lay every I lay every last one of y’all mother is out.
Y’All ain’t finna disrespect my my history like this, you know what I’m saying, because I know if they did, if they doing that to her they’re going to do it to me one day, right, we’re not going to Sugar’s not having that right.
That’S why I, from from the Ruta from the very down to the Tudor very up right, you’re, not going you’re, not going to disrespect women’s boxing if sugar has anything to do with it, because it’s hard, if you’re a winner, if you were a loser, if you Did it that’s enough for me um? If you did it and – and you were true to it – meaning you didn’t sleep your way around, because that’s what a lot of you didn’t in in a lot of it, ain’t even sleeping it’s other things right, but crawling up under that table.
You know what I’m saying but um.
I digress.
Coral uh Weber went 15 rounds.
She fought uh, Laura Holt, so Laura Holt also went 15 rounds yeah you.
You never hear about Laura Holt right.
Where is she what happened to her but Cora and Dora Weber? They made their names um and but there was 15 rounds at two minutes.
Okay, ah, let’s, let’s see 12 two minute run.
Oh no! Let’S just add the extra minute to the round right.
My whole deal is I don’t care how long the fight is just add that extra minute, because I know that what that that extra minute is the truth, let’s add the truth to the game right.
Can you fight for three minutes? Your ass can fight.
If you can fight for three minutes right, if, if you can really, if you, if you’re putting it together four rounds six rounds, oh go getting dry.
That means she just gon na wrap it up soon, but yeah yeah.
Let’S add the extra minute! That’S what the big deal about women’s boxing is right.
Let’S prove that we’re we we are entertaining we are.
We are worth the money.
Let’S add that extra minute give me a second you guys, because we’re gon na wrap up.
Oh, you have to go back into way.
Um WBC, president Mauricio Suleiman says he ain’t.
He ain’t having it so Amanda Serrano will be fighting for only for she will be defending her WBA ibf and WBO um titles.
Wbc is not sanctioning no 12 round.
Three minute: fight for No Woman, No Woman, boxer, okay, Mauricio Suleiman said that he says until it’s um, scientifically proven or medically proven that women can endure the [ Music ] um, you know you know, can endure the Wares of combat.
For you know three men, meaning until it is proven that um we we won’t go into uh, fragile concussion state by training and fighting in these fights.
Until we can that’s medically proven that we can endure that the WBC will never sanction of a women’s fight.
That goes three minute rounds for as long as uh three minute uh rounds for as long as 12 rounds, okay, um and so – and it makes sense to me right because, especially with Shenanigans, we’ll have more women dead out here.
Well, I mean we’ll, have women dying out here, more women dying out here than what’s reported.
You know it, it will it.
It will be bad because, like there are predators out here that are hurting women that are only fighting two minute rounds right um.
You know the other day um.
I I think last week was the anniversary of um Jeanette’s passing in the ring.
You know um so they’re saying the medical studies say says that women have an 80 percent higher risk of having concussion and longer recovery, um and and which I agree with right that you know we are next.
You know we, our bodies just are not built.
Like a man’s body to endure that you know um RS scarf one hey thanks for joining the conversation, I’m about to check out too, but thanks for joining this r s.
Gar Point says there are more deaths and injuries in men’s boxing.
I wonder why? Why um, because they’re, actually you know men are actually going through the um, the Wares right because training to fight in that type of fight and then losing weight and then getting ready and then actually performing that 12 round fight three minutes: uh per round is grueling.
It’S it’s grueling! You! You sacrifice more than just oh being in shape.
It’S you you shortening years off of your life.
You are, you are right, you you get! You get knocked out or concussed you’re, there’s a scar on your brain for the rest of your life, and you better hope that when you get into old age that [ __ ] don’t turn into dementia right right.
People think that this fight game is oh, go box and you press the button.
No, no, so that’s why I was saying you know you find a fighter Who has fought for even trained, even spot, even gone in I’ve.
I’Ve.
No I’ve seen Fighters go in yeah ABC one.
Two three come out the same night: Sports, yeah, slurring words, uh, Blinky, double blink punch drunk.
It can happen just like that.
A threatening got hot um pathus says: there’s also a whole lot of more males than female boxers.
That too so pathos has a point there, um RS Garfield says: maybe the WBC should reduce the men’s rounds to two minutes, uh our scarf one.
What you trying to do he’s trying to make a lot of enemies? No, you know male boxing have been um been around, you know, they’ve been they reduced it from remember.
Remember they used to go 20 something rounds.
Then there is reduced it to 15 rounds and then because of these health issues, they reduced it again to 12 rounds, so men don’t fight 15 rounds and back in the 80s back in Sugar, Ray Robinson times 15 rounds.
You had to you know.
So.
No, no and I don’t agree with reducing men’s rounds to no two minutes nah.
I don’t agree with that.
Um I do agree with their being.
There needs to be more stringent testing and and checking in like they need to be checking in on everybody.
You know up towards these fights, because what they’re doing to make weight what they’re doing you know to you know to get stronger.
Whatever is uh, and now it’s unreal.
It’S unethical, I’m not going to tell on nobody, but what they doing out here, um right and the the the sitting back and oh, you know we’ll figure it out.
Oh we’ll find out after the fight happens.
No there needs to be more.
You know there.
There needs to be more eyes on the process in getting ready for Fight Night patha says um at um our race, our scarf one.
Two minutes is not a short amount of time, but and by any by any means, but it isn’t a whole three minutes.
It’S a whole amount of time in my opinion, and there’s a good amount of time to get a KO um Panthers.
Let me tell you something: two minutes is not a long amount of time for a fight.
Three minutes is a long amount of time in fighting.
I just broke I broke down, I mean, if you weren’t present in the earlier part of the show right, if you’re running your miles, if you’re in good shape, you can [ __ ] through three two minute rounds right and then they’re getting one minute to recover.
In between right now, you’re fighting three minutes and you only get one minute to recover in between each round that come back from that.
Come back from you can’t it’s now you’re now you’re fighting now you’re fighting you’re fighting everything.
Now it’s who made the strongest survive May the wisest survive right.
May the May.
The dog, the the baddest dog, make it to the end right two minutes: that’s an aerobic right! That’S aerobic, workout, try doing, jumping jacks, intensely intense, Jumping, Jacks and and Sprints and push-ups do all of those.
At the same time, right non-stop, non-stop non-stop for three minutes, see how you feel right.
You can do that for two minutes chop it down 30 seconds at a time right, but that in three minutes you can’t hide two minutes.
You can run.
You can run an escape.
You got a minute to catch your breath.
Three minutes you can run, but you can’t hide um, so yeah our scarf one says that will never happen because it’s all about the money I’m being sarcastic but um, okay, um.
It is about the money in males Boston and let’s leave.
Let’S leave mailboxing alone.
Let’S leave they: let’s leave them alone right because they got the money.
They got the money for their Shenanigans.
We don’t even have the money right.
It’S only it’s only maybe five broads, that’s making good money in women’s boxing right now right there are hundreds or thousands of other female Fighters that ain’t making no money can’t make.
No live, can’t really take care of their family.
Doing this right.
They’Re doing this and they’re trying to make a living doing something else right, not not many people are fortunate, are marketed enough marketable enough to make money outside the ring right as Fighters.
So you got ta fight for a living um, it’s it’s it’s not it just.
Doesn’T work that way for women’s boxing um, our Scar from one says, I’m calling out wbc’s hypocrisy! Well, WBC we trying to get into dare Club.
They never gave a [ __ ] about us.
Wbc never gave a [ __ ] about women’s boxing until they realized somehow some way that they could have used.
They could use that to get money to to get the pennies right because we were when we had.
We had our times where oh they can make.
Some money: that’s why Don King used Christy Martin right as the the enter you know as as um the undercard in the undercard for the Mike Tyson event, because the [ __ ] was boring.
He didn’t have any other contenders that would bring eyes to his platform.
So he put a woman right, they put Christina Coal, Miner’s Daughter, badass on there and she did great Wright stole the show.
Sometimes.
So it’s not oh well, he’s doing it.
No, we don’t need to be doing that.
A lot of the [ __ ] that they’re doing we don’t need to be doing as women boxers.
We it’s not necessary.
It’S that’s, not our bag.
It that’s not the way.
You know women, we we we, we move different right.
Let’S move how we move and make money how we move um patha says: sorry, I meant to say: two minutes is a short amount of time.
Okay, but three minutes is a good amount of time, because they can’t fool around the whole time.
Now you talking um past now, you’re talking because it’s true um and I’m glad that we agree on that.
I’Ve been I’m telling you it ain’t, no joke um catching a hard blow right.
Two minutes you get boom, you get hit hard or you get hit.
You could hold that [ __ ] till the end of the round, and then you got a minute to go back to your corner and and catch up.
Three minutes you catch that horrible boom.
You got ta hold that [ __ ] and you got ta hold it another minute before another one comes and then possibly another one and another one.
You got ta hold this and and then try to come back.
You can it it.
You can right.
So what’s happening now in women’s boxing, is you know, they’re doing this old school? You know the the old school men in the game used to call it that you got soaked, meaning that you know they in women’s boxing now they’re depleting people they’re, making you suck down right.
They’Re dehydrating you they’re, making you dehydrate they’re, making you because they know that we, you know, we don’t have the money to make the weight like you know how these rich broads are making the wait.
What we’re doing is we deprive we’re not eating as much we.
We don’t have the you know, we don’t have the supplements that they’re, the average female fighter no ends is not taking the uh supplements that these celebrity broads are taking now, there’s no money behind.
So by the time a a an average broad shows up to a fight, especially if they’re giving her two weeks notice to make a certain weight because you don’t walk around in Peak shape.
You know they’re they’re, doing they’re doing stuff like that right in women’s boxing.
Let’S clear that up right, let let’s make let’s make it so that everyone’s healthy everyone’s well right and if everyone’s healthy and everyone’s well, then everyone can participate and if everyone’s participating, you have more contenders and you have more opportunities to make money.
Even when your ass lose or even when your piss come back dirty, you can still say: oh okay, well, there’s another broad out here: that’ll fight me um, my dirty pissy ass right now, you’re.
Currently, now some people career is over because ain’t, nobody gon na fight them nobody right now, if if it was the pool, if the pool was thicker right, if there was, if there was enough contenders in the pool, then you know we’d have a Canelo situation where Canelo, we know that the [ __ ] eats the.
We know dude eats um, I I suppose each um gets his his Flintstone nutrients and vitamins and nutrients from the beef.
That’S what he says in the beef.
Okay, but he’s still fighting with.
He still has fights out here, he’s still making money, because people will fight his steroid ass right, not in women’s boxing right, because it’s too much – I I me me so when your ass fall, there’s no ground, except for the very bottom right ain’t.
Nobody there to.
Oh I’ll fight, her no oh Viner steroids and all right, because I thought broad steroids and all right celebrity.
Our weakness in women’s Boston is all these broads want to be celebrities.
No one wants to be a real Fighters.
Anymore, go fig um our scarf one says the WBC claims that they’re all about safety, but they wanted to reduce the Cruiserweight limit back to 190 pounds and then have a Bridger weight division at 224 pounds a 34 pound Gap that is not safer.
Well, our scarf one.
You know you you’re trying to hold people to their word in in boxing.
I want you to realize baby baby um baby.
They do what they want it.
It makes sense how they want it to make sense.
It’S not a safety issue.
They just don’t they they don’t want to have to deal with it.
Wbc doesn’t want to have to deal with that [ __ ], because women right now right now, women fighting three minutes 12 rounds.
That’S some [ __ ]! We haven’t been consistently performing well enough for anyone to demand it for it to make monetary sense you have to be, it has to be consistent, it has to be making consistent money, it has to be.
People have to be buying tickets, to watch broads fight.
Three minute, twelve three minute rounds: they have to see those numbers – oh they’re, buying tickets.
For this all the time that’s not happening, and it’s not that people are barely buying tickets for the two minute rounds and it and it has to be Mega and super for the for people to buy a ticket are y’all getting it now like.
I’M, not hating.
I’M just letting you know how the business of it goes right, that’s the business of it.
There has to be consistent, money being made history history.
When was the last time you picked up a damn history book.
Anybody, oh I wanted.
You know what I need some and I want to need some history right now: no ain’t, nobody paying for that.
They’Re, not gon na.
Remember Amanda surrender.
I’M I’ve made history in women’s boxing.
I’M gon na tell you not many people.
Remember that I can say I did it but ain’t, nobody bringing it up.
Okay, so this history, don’t add an extra zero to your [ __ ].
We got ta.
Stop that in women’s body we got ta, stop it now.
It’S it’s lame! That’S somebody as draws you trying to wear um Panther says in the amateur scene.
Two minutes is a good amount of time, but as a professional, you should be able to take three minute rounds, yep and guess what baby in the amateurs they used to fight three minute rounds too.
I fought three minutes when I, when I was the wet nose, starting in the amateurs you know it is what it is.
You know they play that game.
Our scarf one says the WBC was trying to help Canelo get a Cruiserweight title because you know canelo’s.
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