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EPISODE: Episode 1
Wrestling with notions or boxed into stereotypes? In tonight’s episode of “The Sugar Show,” hosted by the vibrant Natalie Brown and brought to you by the Talkin Fight network, we explore the intricate relationship between Women’s Boxing and Women’s MMA.
Are these two combat sports just close relatives, like ‘kissing cousins’? Or is one the main event while the other plays second fiddle, like the dynamics of ‘wifey and side piece’? SUGAR dives deep, discussing their histories, comparing their evolution, and evaluating their impact on the global stage.
Join us as we spar with perspectives, grapple with perceptions, and knock down myths about these two power-packed worlds.
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[, Music ]! Thank you! Hey y’all, hey, sorry, I’m late! You guys! Ah thanks for waiting around if you stuck around um yeah Sugar’s laid I I’m out here in the country Countryside.
So sometimes the internet works and well most of the time the internet works, but sometimes we have technical tips faculties, which is what I was dealing with.
Sorry, I’m late, but hey y’all, uh, I’m Natalie, and this is the Natalie sugar brown show where 7 30 yeah 7 31 say it or around that time.
We talk about women’s boxing, so I am Natalie sugar brown, woman, pugilist, woman, boxer, okay, um.
I lived a life, I did what I I did what I did.
I say what I say and I said what I said.
This is the platform that I give you guys or that where, where we meet – and we just uh talk about women’s boxing now, you don’t have to know uh uh, the pluses and minuses and equations of women’s boxing.
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So, let’s talk the talk tonight talk about uh, what we um about the goodness y’all know I’m frazzled, because I’m I’m just stumbling over my words.
But hey we’ve been together for this long.
You better accept me um, the title of the show is called kissing, cousins or wifey side piece, okay and the title of the show.
Is that? Because you know women’s boxing has had this situationship, I wouldn’t even call it relationship but situationship with MMA right um, where you know it, we leverage off of each other, but we would never claim each other so to speak.
Okay, I have not.
I I have not done any MMA fights okay, I will say that – and I’m not up here to speak about that.
But the conversation is about How uh women, women’s boxing or women boxers have started leveraging the MMA platform with um.
Of course, what we do in our industry, women’s boxing now I’m coming, I’m I’m not sure how long tonight’s show is going to be you guys um, but I would like for you for some of y’all to speak on it.
If you know about the wood, the MMA scene – because this is more so I’m focusing the conversation about what we do – women boxers do with regards to how we uh Levy our relationship with with MMA in particular.
Now, it’s not that women boxers don’t do others other Combat Sports.
You got women boxers who do kickboxing.
You got women boxers who do Muay Thai.
You got women boxers who do bare knuckle? Okay, you got women boxers that um do the the um karate.
You know like I, I thought, women who have had that broad uh experience of combat, which is why I, you know, I just love us so much, because the thing about women in combat in general, like women, women boxers, are my favorite.
Even though I can’t stand some of y’all asses, but of course you know, I’m a woman boxer but um, I would say somebody time.
Oh women, Boxing Channel, hey baby, and I know it’s late where you at thanks for chiming in and thanks for um staying up.
So you can meet with me tonight.
I’M sorry, I’m late baby, so women’s Boxing Channel says how’d.
You do better than an evening at the cinema can’t stay long, long journey to London Gatwick airport to pick up a certain fighter tomorrow before she Jets off to USA.
Next week to finish Camp okay, cool um, all right well, at least you stopped by baby, okay and um.
That’S really good! I mean it, it sounds good sounds like you, you actively helping women behaving uh.
The UK women who behave badly to get over here to to act up too and um.
I wish uh a certain a certain Fighter, um all the best in her training camp and in her preparation for her boxing match.
Um.
It it’ll be real, interesting to see um what the turnout will be.
Let’S, let’s hope it makes the papers or makes the news now um women, Boxing Channel, I’m talking about tonight, I’m talking about the relationship or situationship between um women’s boxing and uh MMA, mixed martial arts right and and and really how it’s been leveraged uh throughout the Years now I would say that um, maybe there were women to finish my my first thought before women Boxing Channel chimed in, like I said, uh women, women boxers have always done other Combat Sports have always done well doing other Combat Sports too and um.
I say that that’s why I love us right, because, where you have in men’s boxing, men generally focus on their genre of combat.
We have spread ourselves out, so we can attack and get every opportunity.
We can to do this and to behave badly for all of All Sorts right, so you know fighting a fighter in my experience you can tell you know and they bring some great Styles, because you know sugar says it.
They all say it Styles, make fights, and it’s real right, because your style that you come, that you come to the the dance with, will make or break the fight.
Okay – and you can tell right you: can they bring these different styles to the table and what we like? What US Fighters that that experience it? What we like we learn and we take and keep, and there are some things that we don’t like.
We like.
Take that back to, hence where your ass was doing it at because it’ll get you hurt here or it’s a no-go here right.
So you know just in the movements just in the Rhythm just in just how they utilize the space of the Ring.
All of these things, so I I think it’s I think it’s a good thing, but what I have an issue with, which is why I call it kissing cousins or wifey side piece.
Is you don’t hop from plate to plate? You know what I’m saying and that’s how I feel that’s what I feel is going on with um certain women boxers, okay uh hopping from plate to Plate, not really making a career out of uh MMA they’re, just doing it the feeling the dead time, where ain’t, Nothing going on for them in women’s boxing um, you know I I feel like, and this is my you know.
This is my humble opinion.
You know if you’re going to do it uh, do it going and do it coming or could do it coming and do it going meaning do it the same in each place right so a lovely assistant put up uh put up the first image.
Let’S start talking: okay, I didn’t took my notes out now.
She may not be the first who’s done it, but this one right here is the most famous female uh boxer.
Who did it right? So this is Holly Holm.
Okay, she was a multi-world champion in women’s boxing and um after dethroning women, uh women’s MMA, Superstar Ronda Rousey, who you don’t hear about Nomo you don’t.
I mean I think she do WWE, which I think somebody else wants to stale piss um uh come back for this next one.
You know, I think she should go into WWE because I think her boxing career is done, but I digress.
Let’S go back to um Holly Holm, okay, um.
Looking at my notes too, you guys Holly Holm uh was a multi-bro champion in women’s boxing, okay um, you know.
As a fighter I had yeah.
I I have some.
I have my own deal about her.
You know.
I she she was based out of New Mexico, Albuquerque New Mexico.
Okay, she had a great promoter management team uh.
She was the queen of her kingdom there.
So basically, she never left home.
Everyone who wanted to fight and everybody want who wanted to get a chance at the payday had to come, see her, which you know I I kind of feel like you, would, if anything, there’s a slight mint there, because if you it’s just like the Cecilia breakfast Thing right: if you’re going to be legendary, if you want to be a champion, if you, if you’re a multi-world champion, okay, leave the ports, sometimes you know leave the port.
Sometimes it’s it’s not it’s not so bad right to test how you do off your off! Your porch on on other ground right because then you have to perform you.
You have to perform uh and Dot your eyes and cross your teeth.
A lot uh more Fierce than you would on your own on your own porch uh.
Oh look, who chimes in Aries zodiac boxing good evening with the Roses: Sweet, chocolate, brown, sugar? Oh man, you talking about me if a fighter can dedicate themselves and actually prove themselves against worthy opponents, fine, otherwise it’s just about the money which okay Aries but zodiac boxing.
I feel you want that and thank you for the marvelous marvelous introduction, but um yeah.
I feel you told me on that, and the whole thing is it’s just about the money.
Well, my my thing about women’s boxing is: it is your obligation? Yes, it is your obligation to carry your industry.
Why? Because what you put in is what you’re gon na get out of it right.
You got to carry so if you’re not bringing MMA broads into the ring to say: okay, I’ll fight you in the MMA MMA magic, but your ass got ta fight me in a boxing match.
We’Re not doing that.
Then who’s, potchefstirring! That’S what I’m talking about! You know the cousins well wifey, side, piece, meaning kissing cousins, mean we all from the same family huh, that’s fooling around right, which I may not be the right thing or wifey side piece.
You got you visit in two different homes.
Right we got one.
We we got one common interest and we got one thing that do us all the time that money okay now the thing about it – is what the money can’t go into.
One household right, wifey wifey, always get the money side piece, get the fun money right, but everybody’s getting money.
Now, when women boxers go to MMA right and they win or lose MMA get that money right.
Mma get some money.
Generally women fans of women’s boxing.
Don’T watch MMA like that they have their own Broad in MMA that they’re fancy about right, they’re, not following that.
So my whole thing is: if let’s, let’s spice it up, let’s stir it apart right.
I will say this: women’s boxing, I think, has a little more uh celebrity interest, pull right now: okay and two: that’s why MMA always try to hey come here.
Come here! Come here come here I’ll I’ll! Do it to you real good.
Come here! Come here come on over here right because they want they want us to come over there.
So maybe you know one of the MMA broads will beat a boxing Broad and then there’s a you know that oh MMA is better than boxing boxing better.
You know, let’s, let’s, let’s bring the money, let’s put all the money on the table.
No, I mean I mean right if I’m gon na sign with uh um, MMA company or or or promotion well, they will have to know that I’m signing as a boxer and all of my negotiations would mean that you know I have the leverage or I have The what can I say I I have some kind of pool where I fight her here.
She gon na fight me over there because I’m I’m a boxer right, it’s it’s! I I say you you get what you give right: women boxers when, when we go over to MMA, unless it’s this one right here in Holly Holm, I think she you know her claim to fame.
Is that she’s, a boxer she’s, a boxer that beat Ronda Rousey but she’s, just any old gal over in MMA she’s? Not she wasn’t the super celebrity female boxer or woman boxer that she was when she was just um.
Holly Holm the world women’s uh boxing world champion right.
She decided to leave us and then, when got cold for her she’s talking about oh, I might come back and we was like stay over there right but she’s in the UFC, and I I don’t know, there’s different there’s different um sanctioning bodies just like it’s the Same um in women’s boxing, but I’m not taught I’m not here to split hairs; okay, I’m here talking about what this relationship means and and how we we have to smarten up about this now um women’s Boxing Channel Johnson and says top respect for Holly great boxer, Who School Rousey to the point of embarrassment, proof that boxers can lead the way in MMA right? Did you see it, though women’s Boxing Channel – and this was years ago – and I sat in that bar? Yes, it sat in the damn bar and I was like Holly Holm is going rock Rousey, and this was this is Ronda Rousey.
Now who was calling out Floyd, Mayweather and all and remember how remember how people thought that was cute when Ronda Rousey was doing that? Now you know, I don’t know if, if it because of what happened to Ronda Rousey, it’s unheard of now to do right.
I always thought it was unheard of and disrespectful for a woman boxer fighter to call out a male fighter.
I really I mean it’s the same thing.
You know it’s just as disrespectful as any male fighter to who would call out a woman fighter.
Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? Y’All? Can you imagine right so I mean just to do just the thought of that is preposterous right, but Ronda was showing her ass out here.
She was on all the newspapers.
She was in all the newspapers, all the magazines ever you couldn’t.
You couldn’t turn left or right without seeing uh Ronda Rousey then wrote a book all that so people started tooting the horn right because I’m sorry women’s boxing, we have our Co.
We are.
We are a culture, we are a sorority.
We have a history right, so people started disrespecting the game.
The game started, disrespecting the god, the goddesses.
You know what I’m saying and we can’t have that.
So yes, we gave, you know our girl, the blessing to say, go whoop that ass, so I stood up in the bar.
It was me versus them.
Ronda Rousey, finna get her rocked, and I put my damn mortgage on that.
Yes, I did the whole every penny.
Whoo, my heart was beaten right, but I’m you know – and it’s just so sure right because, like I know what I do and and Holly Holm when in the ring representing me, a woman boxer right, she wasn’t just Holly home.
She was representing me and that’s what I want old.
I I want the culture to come back to women’s boxing where she is me.
I am her right.
I don’t like that, but she is me, I’m her or listen that I’m a fan.
She is me.
I am her, but we said we have a standard right.
We set the tone right.
If, if you see her and you see the she do, that’s what I do too and I probably do a little more and some do a little less and some out here cheat.
You know what I’m saying, but we scary out here too.
That’S what I want.
You know that’s where I was at um, so yeah Holly Holm went into UFC, I think she’s, the most popular one who started it: okay, um! Maybe there were other women boxers who did women uh MMA, but this one this one here she she killed.
Can she um, you know she killed King Kong in a sense or queen Kong.
She brought down Queen Kong and that’s why she she’s made a mark in in combat history for women’s boxing she MMA now, but women’s boxing now the thing about ha.
Is she laughed? We thought she was going to bring it back.
We thought we thought she would go and bring the money back.
Her ass left she left and signed up with MMA, and that was it because everybody was sweating down and scurrying to uh.
140 145.
She was Junior welterweight welterweight.
I think she even did Super Welterweight Champion, so she was the one bringing her and her promoter was the one making stirring the pot making the Monies right there.
I mean there were other Fighters at the time, but this the Holly Holm was the Katie Taylor of the time right because we know no matter what yeah we got arrested.
T-Rex you know now we got um Amanda right.
This one right here was the one making the money bringing in the money and the thing is, you know you know if you fight Katie, you know if you fight a man that you know if you fight erisa Clarissa, you you finna get paid now.
You know we got others now you we know if you fight uh, maybe if you fight Savannah Marshall, you won’t get paid now we know if you fight who else out there you know now now money is coming, because now you can fight it’s a it’s.
Not just one right: it’s not just one Queen, it’s several queens that you can fight right and I don’t even like calling.
I hate that Queen right, because it’s Queens don’t fight.
You know what I’m saying: um generals soldiers, you know those type of things fight.
So we are women, Gladiators fight.
You know, I’m saying we are women Gladiators.
We are not Queens Queens, watches, fight right and maybe I could be a queen Gladiator, but when I’m behaving badly, I’m not a queen in there, I’m a freaking Gladiator, I’m a soldier getting ready.
I am, I am a combat uh individual, so I mean that that’s just one of my little qualms but um.
That’S where the conversation you know lies it’s you know.
If if now Holly came back to women’s boxing and said okay, any MMA brought out there.
You are more than welcome to try me or any other of these bad over here in boxing and make up for it with your girl.
Rousey did you’re definitely welcome to do that, but I also see where she thought she was going to hit the jackpot and probably make hundreds of thousands of 50.
You know of millions of dollars as a um MMA person, I’m not sure, I’m not sure where her Pockets lie right now, but the I can see where I can see maybe why she switched, but she did US dirty, didn’t she y’all, like she just saw.
She said: okay, bye, you know like when you go out, you go out to you, go out with your friends to the club or whatever you go, y’all some of y’all know what I’m talking about.
You go out and it’s a girls night or whatever, and one of these broads meet a dude and she tell y’all bye, I’m leaving with him.
No, we came here together.
You not you’re, not doing this.
Well, she pulled one of them.
She pulled one of them right, which you know it just left.
It was just a really bad feeling with me all right, so I’m I’m not big on Holly Holm.
I wasn’t really big on her as a fighter.
I respect tremendously with her and her her team has done.
They kept us alive, but I didn’t.
I didn’t particularly care for her style and I think her style only made it because she was in her backyard and you know um and Sophie Mathis proved it.
You know what I’m saying she and Sophie came over there and cleaned all her gutters yeah.
That was a good fight um and then, when she came and then they invited and Sophie Mathis back again from France, and even though and Sophie beat her right, you you you don’t like you, she came back and beat and Sophie Mathis by decision you don’t do It doesn’t work like that because the second fight wasn’t wasn’t close and she wasn’t the aggressor right.
So how do you become Champion off of that? But that’s another show right.
Y’All watch that fight um women’s Boxing Channel comes in and says Savannah Marshall just this week, and now she signed a pfl for the next two years.
Yeah women’s Boxing Channel you and me right.
You and me been on a good little streak, and – and I like it, I like it – I was going to mention that I’m going to mention that later on in the show um every zodiac boxing says, people Overlook Holly because she left boxing and she stayed with Mma, but to go back and forth it’s difficult to dedicate the amount of time, that’s necessary to really improve Aries zodiac boxing.
Why are you spitting? Why are you starting off spitting? That’S where I was gon na go now right now? Maybe you can flip-flop on.
You know other in other genres or of con combat.
Where you’ll use your hands, you can use your hands predominantly meaning you know, that’s why I said: there’s other women that do the kickboxing.
There was other women that do the Muay Thai.
You know there was other women that do the bare knuckle right, but MMA is a totally different thing.
They even got this like that.
I mean they’re getting better A lot of.
I see where a lot of MMA fighters are actually training.
Uh boxing focused right because I mean I’ve.
I worked and trained at an MMA gym in the past and um.
The attitudes was kind of stank when to be honest, but I think it was the Rousey time right, but none of the in there wanted to spar right, because I was like okay I’ll get into Pentagon whatever.
This is with the cage and the okay I’ll get in here right and I mean it’s cool um, but I know how to box on the ground, and I know how to box standing up right and you ain’t finna, get me in no fool Nelson without eating A couple of these you know what I’m saying: let’s see, let’s see how let’s see how good you are, after a mouthful of some knuckle sandwiches, and that’s where I was, but you know sugar was the that’s when sugar was was sugar, you know what I’m saying: Badass, you got to show me better than you could tell me, but yeah none of them broads was trying to spar with me right and the dudes.
You know they walked around like they had they had the secret sauce and I’m like listen, I’m a boxer here.
I’M a fighter, I can teach y’all stuff.
I can teach y’all a lot of stuff that we do as Fighters.
That’S a part of your MMA, but it took until Rhonda asked got, kicked up in her jaw piece for them to understand right.
Okay, well, Holly kicked her up in her Joby, but she uh she gave her that Southpaw three-piece and a biscuit right before before that happened.
Right and Rousey couldn’t get past it and couldn’t get past the value package, the value the Southpaw value meal right.
She got the super size knuckle.
You know put that extra uh knuckle sandwich in the in in my meal, you know and and that’s when they started looking at us and having respect for us right and I’m just talking about women’s boxing – I’m not even less We’re.
Not gon na go there with no Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor, because that was a glorified sparring match and I think some money passed and they were like.
Listen just don’t just don’t don’t do our boy like that? Don’T do our boy, don’t do our boy, so bad, okay, it’s just just just Coast him! Okay, because talking about I got ta.
Listen! I got up.
I left.
I left the party um in the middle of it.
I just don’t.
Have I didn’t have time for that um, but yeah like Aries zodiac boxing says, like you can’t flip flop, you can’t switch hit boxing is a boxing is a jealous sport.
I promise you jealous, if you don’t put the time in, if you don’t put the work in you, yo ass will get smashed.
Yes, it’s happened to me right and I thought you know um.
My my personal issues would make.
You know make up for the fact that you know I wasn’t doing wasn’t focusing like I should you know going through a nasty divorce uh.
You know custody battle, all that, so I thought I could do that and get ready to fight.
No, no! No! It was one of the worst days at the office for me, you know what I’m saying so you have to dedicate yourself to this boxing thing and I see a lot of our champions going over to that thinking that this is a game, somebody who’s putting the Work in will knock your damn block off and your ass will be sitting there like, but I I your promoter, everyone has a Fighting Chance when they get in that ring right.
So you think you can flip-flop and go to MMA and boxing, but somebody’s focused on boxing right, MMA ain’t gon na help you with boxing, but vice versa, will boxing will help you with MMA.
I want y’all to I.
I said what I said, and I know I know what I said, and I know it right so you know pickle pick Who you gon na, be in bed with right side, piece right, wifey or you gon na play this kissing cousins thing and be about the Money right because it’s not going to last long if you want to play that kissing cousins, game um women’s Boxing Channel comes in and says so.
You know, what’s going to happen right, it’ll, be Marshall versus Shields MMA for Big Money draw in P, pfl just watch! I guarantee it, you know what women’s Boxing Channel.
I believe you I totally agree.
I think that’s what they’re trying to do hello.
You know what I’m saying, because ain’t, no big, no ain’t, nobody caring about no two MMA broads getting together.
I’M sorry to say the celebrities are in women’s boxing.
The celebrity combat women are in women’s boxing and Amanda Nunes.
In them they ain’t coming over to bought women’s boxing right.
Everybody been waiting, a cyborg coming cyborg see they are training with her for friggin.
I don’t know what she looking like.
She, she looked like the Hulk yeah.
Have you seen the before and now after pictures of cyborg? Now you tell me just bless her heart bless her heart.
Her ass knows she ain’t coming over to shame stepping over the fence on none of our porches.
That’S what she know right.
So we didn’t.
They didn’t gave up on that was was called.
You know they were talking about Orissa, Clarissa Shields versus um uh.
What is it Christina? Cyborg? What’S her name cyborg, you know those names that turned that hot turned into a cold fart real, fast, didn’t it right.
So there’s no real MMA female celebrities, so what they, what they want to do, would this broad do did right? They want to snatch our money, they want to snatch our money, um women’s Boxing Channel.
You know.
If these bras are about the money, then I guess they’ll do an MMA fight together right, but I’m not even our our MMA fans, fans of Savannah Marshall and Clarissa Shields enough to pay for that.
Damn ticket and that’s number one number two.
I don’t really care to see Clarissa Shields and Savannah Marshall in an MMA match.
You know the the whole vibe and the whole story about them too.
Is they came up from the amateurs together, right and and and that’s where that rivalry came from so this rivalry going into MMA, ah cheesy extra cheese? I think that’s corny um, but you know that’s my opinion and it’s the Natalie sugar brown show.
So, hey not saying that anybody else that’s into that is wrong or it’s bad, but you know it’s just um, I’m big, I’m a I’m a woman boxer.
I that’s that that made me I.
I Grew From a young girl to a woman being a woman boxer.
Okay, I did a little kickboxing and stuff when I was young.
You know coming up, went to different gyms and stuff, but I you know I I I am loyal to my my game, which is boxing lovely assistant.
Can you change the the image please, but a good point: women’s Boxing Channel Aries, zodiac Boston comes in and says Dana was trying to really push Rhonda and Connor as him having the world best fighters in the world, but it backfired on both of them.
Rhonda was never good at stand up, but was expected to beat Holly right, Aries, zodiac Boston.
He did.
He was talking a whole bunch of too wasn’t he and put his money behind you talking about somebody writing the check that your ass had the cash that ass whooping turned Rhonda into a housewife.
She said after the whole thing she said I want to get married and have some babies.
I thought she was a bad out here.
You wan na you wan na fight our men.
You want to fight boxer men, boxers and after Holly did what she did to you not right.
She ain’t.
Even I don’t even think she made it with that guy right, but, like I guess, when she’s moving, she came to out.
This whole thing happened when it was done.
She was like you know what I want a family.
I want to have babies.
I want to be married.
Well guess what a lot of us women boxers we’re married.
We have babies and we still whoop ass right.
So you were still lame.
Ronda Rousey was still lame.
Trying to grab on to that bull Jive.
She really needed to just have a seat.
She really I she would have had more respect if she said you know what guys I gave.
I did not give women boxing the credit.
I should have I’m gon na train, I’m gon na do some women’s boxing training and then I’m gon na rematch, Holly, Holm and and and whoop her ass.
You know that would have been good right because now we’re building right, but you see when people are heart pump.
Kool-Aid you see when they’re in it to be celebrities and not in it to be real Gladiators when they’re not about the culture, you see how fast they disappear right.
So that’s what I’m talking about you know.
The the the culture gives longevity.
The culture gives makes that money long right, the young, the female Fighters.
Nowadays they not they ain’t loving the culture right.
So that’s why they’re scrambling um Amanda Serrano was the first fighter.
I um well second fighter I heard of after Holly Holm.
She was coming up.
She wasn’t a celebrity fighter, but she was very popular okay and she had crossed over into MMA, and I think she was doing that to you know: make herself build her name, because her and Jordan like when you ain’t, got no cell phone and – and you can’t Talk to nobody and you know what do you do to fill in the time? Maybe you just you start um applying yourself to different things right.
So she was, you know she had to.
She was most of her fights.
You know, I would say, padding meant she was.
She was getting padding mints over there in Puerto Rico, and you know in in the Latin American country.
She wasn’t really getting much traction here on U.
S ground like she is now, so she had to do something to keep her name and to keep her momentum going in her rise to the top where she is right now.
Okay, so you know I’m not saying that the formula didn’t work, but she knew why she was doing it.
When was the last time y’all asked and saw Amanda Serrano in an MMA match I’ll wait.
No, how long right she did it.
She did it to get to to get a leg up right: she’s, she’s, a woman boxer.
That’S it right! You don’t even hear her talking about that right, so yeah she was signed, and this was different times too PFI pfl signs, undisputing boxing champion Amanda the real deal Serrano.
That’S what they’re saying over here uh to fight pfl’s, MMA um, pay-per-view supervight division right, so she did it to get so she could.
She did it to get in the eyes of the people.
Who would pay to do that pay-per-view right.
So I think she had the right idea where she felt like okay, if I did, if I do this, I could pull some of this pay-per-view money back to my boxing right, which I think might have worked for her um.
Every zodiac boxing comes in and says trying to balance two Combat Sports realistically is difficult.
Most of today’s boxing fans are casuals they’re already talking about shields versus Marshall, um part three uh in a cage I’ll bet they don’t watch pfl at all.
No, you know in a cage like when, on a mountain by a fountain under the bed like come on now.
These are not that hot that I want to be watching them in and all right, I’ll put it this way.
Now I trained in MMA.
Okay, not I already knew I wasn’t gon na um, I I was already convinced because I’m old school right call me old school.
I started off boxing like I’m a I’m a I’m a boxer, okay um, but I did MMA training.
I did kickboxing training.
I did like I did all different types of um combat training to bring it back to my style.
Okay, now yeah I’m doing MMA training and I’m getting grabbed and pulled and twisted and locked and popped, and we me and you, if we’re doing all that we go together.
You know what I’m saying it’s just.
It was just too much contact like that.
For me rolling and, like you know what I’m saying like that’s a but this this was for me.
You know I’m saying like after that.
You know I’m saying after that give me the give me I got to blow some smoke off yeah.
You know it was very intimate for me.
You know so that discipline takes a certain mindset right now.
My clinch game got tight.
When I learned when I started going into the MMA training, because coach Yugi, you know, taught me a lot of things that brought that elevated some of the old school training that my um, that my previous coaches, who started me out, would show me.
But I didn’t understand until I got a handle until I saw it again in MMA and I saw how they used it.
So I was like, oh you know, and I applied it to my style, but it was never about me becoming an MMA fighter because I then realized nah.
You know this, I I can’t I I can’t my mind my mind.
Ain’T a MMA mind.
You know what I’m saying: if you know, if we rolling and Tesla – and you got me against the the wall and all of that stuff, we go together and um um.
That’S it you, you, my man you’re my gal, okay and and you’ve done Felton and and rubbed all over me.
We you done, did you you doing something that special people do? Oh, the sugar right and I can’t have too many special people doing that to me.
It’S just, I can’t turn that into combat right, but it was just mine is silly of me to think that I, you know what I’m saying anyway, um I just don’t bringing it back to what Aries zodiac boxing said.
I just don’t have the appeal for Clarissa and Savannah Marshall doesn’t doesn’t ring my bell there for me to say I wonder I wonder who would win if they was grappling and rolling around and on top of each other and like you know what I’m saying if She got her in the Full Nelson because she couldn’t she could she beat her no right, um more appeal would be: let’s, let’s bring this.
Let’S put all this money on the table, like I said earlier, lovely assistant, um change the image, please you know, let’s put all the money on the table and use all the celebrities or you know, use our celebrity power as women boxers because I know it gets Slow right, if you’re, not a celebrity fighter, you’re not getting paid like that.
It’S still that way right and these, except for this one right here, that’s why I call her the pound for pound best female fighter right now, because she she bring people up with her right.
She just brought Heather Hardy, like she pulled Heather Hardy up and said: let’s fight, let’s come make this money right.
She she signed, shadasia green.
You know she’s putting she’s she’s investing back into women’s boxing.
I don’t see other women boxers doing that right and it’s not it boxing.
Women’S boxing is really not is really not not not not about only what happens in the ring.
It’S about the culture.
I want to bring it back right.
We are not men right.
Men can find out where men can um do the who the who’s best and hear their ever.
You know they’re they’re, several of them going for that one seat right in women’s boxing, it’s more so the culture.
It’S more.
So you know if you liked abroad.
How did she get? How did she come up? What’S her story, how does she uh personify that story in the ring? Do you believe in her? You know what I’m saying that type of stuff and win or lose? Do you still like this broad? You know lovely assistant come on now, where the other picture at thank you now um after Amanda, then Clarissa Shields came right and they were like.
Oh oh, you know what I’m saying to The multi-gold Medalist in boxing uh multi-division Undisputed Champion boxing now she’s going to.
I don’t think that worked out very well for her, because I don’t see where Clarissa Shields has many MMA fans right, so I think she used the whole MMA deal.
You know she.
She was on some kissing cousins type of thing right, where it’s still fighting y’all, not gon.
Na give me no y’all, not gon na give me no uh opportunities in women’s boxing y’all, not gon na put me on the big cards with the men right.
I think her change or her transition into MMA was speared by when she realized that she thought she was going to be sipping champagne, with all the guys because she made it she’s, not a regular she’s, not no regular women, boxer, she’s, Carissa Shields, she’s two-time gold, Medalist she’s multi-division Undisputed world champion she she gets a seat at the table with the men’s she gets to fight on the big cards with the men’s and they looked at her and passed her a warm cup Kool-Aid the same Kool-Aid that all of us women’s boxers Be drinking yeah right, so she realized that men’s boxing is looking at her just like it looks at the rest of us women boxers and they don’t really like us very much right, we’re a sideshow.
Don King used Don King used Christy Martin.
You know a lot of other of our um Pioneers are groundbreakers our Trail.
Breaker Blazers were used.
As you know, an interim to the Big Show right it was.
It was for purely entertainment.
It wasn’t to be taken seriously right, um, but we ended up stealing the show a lot of the times.
So you know the male boxing uses women’s boxing uh when they want to use us, but it was never it’s.
Never.
Oh you know these women.
We want to have a woman fight on the same.
You know solid card as a male fight.
No, no, we don’t they not.
We don’t we don’t get to enter the you know the boys club like that, so Clarissa was hurt by that and she didn’t.
She wasn’t getting much many opportunities, so she decided to generate – and I think you know MMA – I’m not talking any bodies or anything like that, because I’m not sure right, but they approached her and she says you know what why? Yes, I will do this and I will be an MMA champion too right, so she fought she.
She had her first MMA match, which I don’t think she understands that um, it’s just like in boxing your first match you ain’t gon, na fight a world beater.
You know you’re gon, na fight somebody who’s going to test you or should test you right, and if you beat them you you keep going.
If you don’t, then, ah you might not got it.
You know what I’m saying um so her first match she got in there with someone who wasn’t uh an elite MMA female fighter, but she was good enough to be a contender.
I guess you know, and Clarissa Shields beat her all right.
She did a good job in beating her, but then that second match MMA was like oh okay, um we’re gon na have to put somebody in who’s a little bit realer.
Let’S see how you do right and that little bit realer MMA Broad, bent Clarissa ass up and she had to tap out right, so Clarissa lost and Rissa T-Rex the what she don’t like to lose.
So she ran her ass back to boxing, has Clarissa Shields talked about having an MMA fight ever since it’s been a long time and Clarissa Shields is one that likes to talk about what she gon na do, and I have not heard the slightest bit of of Teasing that she gon na do anything else in MMA not mean so.
This is what I’m talking about with the whole kitchen, because now um, what Aries, zodiac boxing and women’s Boxing Channel are coming with, where you know they might bring the beef over the MMA um.
That corny, you know they may do it.
You know someone they may do it, and this is this is where you know, I’m I’m gagging you know is is gross to me because it’s like now, you sell your ass for anything right, there’s a culture that we must maintain, there’s a culture that we must Maintain as women boxers, we must maintain the culture.
If we don’t maintain the culture, we can’t we’re.
We can’t uphold our value right right.
If you a whole around the block right and you can’t, you can’t have high-end clientele and then you know you you’re doing the the nasty in a side alley.
You know what I’m saying you can’t be around to block it and then a high-end whole.
Neither you can’t do that right, you you, you don’t have.
No, you will not have the same value.
You won’t have the same value right here is a difference between an escort right in a two dollar hole.
They pretty much do the same thing.
The escort right.
They they provide services, the same type of services right, it’s just yeah.
You can’t do that and I’m I’m making that type of comparison, not to say that you know everybody.
You know it.
We hoes or anything like that.
No I’m making I I’m making that um comparison because check it.
Prostitution is the oldest career in history.
They were doing it back in the Biblical times they had prostitution, but yeah you paid for it.
You paid for it right and I’m sure you was paying for it, and male men were selling it, and women were selling it right and who you sold it to was your brand and who you gave it, who you sold it to made your value right.
So if it, if it’s the same, like since the Bible days till now, you know what I’m saying if, if, if, if it’s the same damn formula, what the might work but might be worried that that theory might be something that works.
You know what I’m saying: you’re you’re your clientele, your platforms determine your value.
Okay, so you can’t be around the block.
You can’t lose an MMA and come back and think that you’re a high value boxer.
No! No right now, who knows, I haven’t seen many MMA broads, come over to boxing, go fig.
Why why the lights on on every porch cyborg, you know um, who else Amanda Nunes lights on! You can knock on anybody.
You can step on anybody’s porch in your weight, Division and say hey when, if I I’m sure they would entertain, you they’re not doing that.
So why are we doing it? This is.
This is what you know.
We need to be talking about right.
A lot of these women’s boxing platforms or shows like it really is really funny to me, because, where you, I always say where y’all asses was at right, all of a sudden, you got a damn show talking about this.
You don’t know about this.
You don’t know about this right.
What it is is it’s a fan club right them, other people right: they they got fan clubs where they talk about their favorite Fighters right.
They they talk about who they like and who’s doing this and they interview them.
Oh you’re doing sound good and um.
You know gagging on the Glizzy, you know what I’m saying: where did the culture is real right and and it’s very few platforms that provide that real part of our culture? I don’t I don’t make no big money doing this.
I do it because it’s my culture, it’s what made me.
I’Ve learned lessons in this right, um Jake Paul said: oh, if it wasn’t for boxing I’d, be dead or in jail really really now in his own context, Maybe, but should sugar and a lot of other women uh that do this? That did this Trailblazers pioneers? We did we decided to fight because we were fighting for something there was something to fight, for.
There is something inside of us that we fight for right and some of our sisters have died, fighting for something they’ve even died, because they couldn’t beat the demons inside of them.
You know what I mean, so this isn’t a light topic women’s boxing right and if y’all want to talk about women’s boxing, learn our culture learn about us right.
So when you watch a woman box, when you watch a woman fight her right, there’s a depth to that, even the the winners and the losers and the career tomato cans.
What’S her story, why um, homegirl, Boris Loba or whatever it is, she doesn’t have 60 losses.
Why does she keep climbing her ass back in the ring? She got 60 losses.
What’S her story right, because it’s tough losing is tough.
You lose and lose until you get used to it.
This ain’t easy getting in that ring and fighting ain’t easy.
She did it and she lost 60 times.
What’S her story right because everybody wants to know the story about the winners right, but the losers got great stories too the losers, and I put that the air quote because we don’t fight to win.
We don’t fight to lose we fight, because we are fighting for something right: that promoter and the paid off judges and the ass reps.
They get paid to determine who’s, gon na win or whatever, but at the end of the day right.
Those two broads got in the ring right: they’re, not men, they’re, not like these male boxers, who oh you’re, guaranteed to get a Payday you’re guaranteed to get a big contract.
If you just keep winning no there’s no guarantees for us.
So why do we keep doing this? And that’s where that’s the sorority, because I understand her and she understands me – we may not get along, we may not like each other or we may, but we get each other I’ll, never forget uh.
First, no.
Second, Women’s World Championships: yes, I was there in Antalya, Turkey and I it was then that I was taken aback.
It brought me right back to that first tournament, that I went to the women’s Golden Gloves, um, where I’m looking at this huge um facility.
You know, and all these women who speak different languages from different countries, all different shapes and sizes and colors we meet and up and we get it.
I look at her.
She looks at me.
We don’t speak the same language, but we get each other.
We see each other, we respect what you did.
I respect what she did to get here.
She respects what I did to get here and now I got ta fight.
Now we got ta fight it out to see who makes it to the end.
You know that’s a culture, it’s it’s it’s! It’S not justified right, because we were not guaranteed anything.
We weren’t guaranteed big contract.
We weren’t guaranteed no Olympics.
We weren’t guaranteed any of that.
A lot of that experience.
First, world women’s world champions and second uh Women’s World Championships.
I was at both the first and second um.
There were no guarantees, it was just we happy, we made it here, we thought and we made it here.
We fought we fought for so we we showed up and fought.
Do you know how hard it is? Sometimes someone it was some girls it was.
She was the only one from her damn country.
I remember a girl named Natalia.
She was came from Israel.
I don’t think they doing that, no more but yeah, so this getting the bag and everything these young, these young broads, coming in doing this women’s boxing as a whole, we need to let them go right.
We need to embrace our culture and we need to embrace the ones who are about our culture right.
I wasn’t big on Amanda Serrano.
I wasn’t especially when she did that MMA, but she’s.
I see what she’s doing right, she’s, bringing up other broads right, she’s, bringing people along with her.
That’S what it’s about right, that’s what it’s about, because then you know the more women who behave badly, the more our value go up right it.
It there’s a lot for us all out here as women who do this, who behave badly right, there’s, not just one slice of cake or slice of pie for for the hundreds and thousands of us to split up.
This is money out here for us to make.
We can take care of ourselves and each other doing this right.
We got to educate people out here.
Let them know who we are and that we’re out here and we got ta, maintain our value, meaning we don’t slide from MMA to this right.
We represent here in women’s boxing right.
We do this now, I’m I I do respect all of the other genres right.
But unless you come in to my house, I ain’t going to your house: that’s how that goes.
Um, so yeah.
That’S the story on Clarissa Shields.
Going to um MMA lovely assistant, who else we got all right and now this is the this is the most recent one where um women’s Boxing Channel mentioned earlier in the show just announced that she signed with pfl.
Now, look at this boxing Superstar, Savannah Marshall and pfl agree to multi-year MMA deal.
I I saw the other day too that um Savannah Marshall is still looking for backers backing sponsors.
You know what I’m saying um.
So to me you know: she’s had a rough she’s had a she, she hadn’t had the silver spoon you know in women’s boxing she came over.
She signed did y’all know that she was with Floyd Mayweather.
When she first started um.
They thought she was going to be it right, um based off of her performance, based off of the fact that she had the the one she was, the one who defeated Clarissa Shields, and they were.
They had a good premise on on signing her and taking her over, but I mean taking her over to Vegas a part of that stable, but they they don’t.
They weren’t taking women’s boxing seriously.
They weren’t taking women’s boxing seriously and she saw that and she’s the serious woman’s boxer right.
So she left she went back to UK and um back to the drawing board for her, and so she ended up getting the opportunity building herself back up to have one of the biggest fight uh.
You know in in the past decade for women’s boxing, I’m not saying ever right, but one of the biggest fights of the decade, uh Savannah Marshall versus Clarissa Shields, and she was able to make a substantial amount of money doing that the thing about it is right.
Where do you go from there? You don’t got a taste.
You got a taste of the extra two zeros.
You know what I’m saying.
So it’s like okay, I want more of this well and there’s no other woman boxer that you can fight out here.
That’S gon na give you that extra two zeros, so let’s just get that, but let’s let’s just get that um straight.
We want to get that straight.
That’S number one number, two uh! You know she had her whole country, UK vouching, for whatever and in her own backyard.
Clarissa Shields came and beat her right for the super sparkly um, Phantasm and purple belt uh for one belt to rule them all built right.
Clarissa ended up getting that built.
I think they even uh put uh Queen Elizabeth’s face on the Belt because she died like this is what these sanctioning bodies do like it’s a damn belt, and these two are fighting for it.
It it’s not no special belt.
It wasn’t more special than the other belts, it’s not nor special than any other belt in your closet.
Trust me two.
It’S it’s two baddies who have become famous fighting.
I I I’ve seen better fights and I’ve seen better fights in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot to be honest, but I digress um.
So she you know she she lost it.
She she lost that opportunity.
You know what what will become of Savannah Marshall, and then I don’t know who told her that I don’t know why franchise did this Fran Sean went and called out Savannah Marshall.
I don’t know why.
Maybe she wanted the two more zeros or whatever I I would have she would.
She would have done better and asking Clarissa shields for a rematch.
You know what I’m saying it would have given her that much amount of money or that much leverage, so she can do her other thing and you know hit bust another um tune or whatever she would have gotten enough money to to do that.
She calls out Savannah Marshall and puts all her belts on the damn line.
Now I don’t know who, like said Savannah Marshall.
At the end of the day, um can crack and Savannah Marshall is an elite boxer French on Cruz.
Somebody in her team should have told her, listen, okay, franchard and and then friend, Sean she’s, not as marketable as Savannah Marshall.
So the sanction embodies without messing up their relationship with franchise fights for them said.
Yes, you should fight her.
Yes, that’s a mandatory and and Fran Sean in.
I don’t think anybody would want to see Fran Sean fight.
Anybody again at this point, because she just she stunk the place up.
You know a friend Sean has to now re reevaluate, her herself and her next outing.
She has to, she has to show a different franchise.
She has to.
She has to show something way different than what she was doing with Savannah, because Savannah exposed the fact that she is not much of a she she’s, not much of a boxer she and she’s.
I mean not very much of a fighter and I’m not saying she’s, not much of a fighter meaning.
Oh, she won’t fight.
I’M saying she’s not much of a fighter in the art of fight right, because there’s different styles make fights.
You have the boxer, Banger fighter, juggernaut right, well, franchon.
I would categorize her as a fighter, meaning she’s very unconventional right and she does these unconventional things in the fight, and you have to have the knowledge to contain that right to contain it and then defeat it, and not everybody can do that.
It’S not easy.
It’S not easy friend, I’m not saying that franchon is a easy Contender, or is that easy fight? What I’m saying is her value went down the went down the damn drain with that showing because Savannah Marshall beat her up.
She came in trying to play it out.
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