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EPISODE: Episode 4
As always Sugar enlightens us with her knowledge of boxing, and in this show in particular the women who have moved the sport forward.
The SUGAR Show is a series focused on Women’s Boxing. Natalie SUGAR Brown visits all aspects of Women’s Championship Boxing involving both up-and-coming and seasoned amateur and professional female boxers, along with studio segments covering headlines and developments across the sport. The program primarily broadcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:30 pm eastern time, weekly.
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[, Music, ], hey y’all, so you know what it is, and you know what time it is because if you are here with sugar, it must be 7 30 on a wednesday night, and you must be here to talk women’s boxing with your girl, natalie sugar brown.
So uh, let me introduce myself to those who are new and re-introduce myself to those who are true.
I am natalie sugar brown natalie sugar brown.
I am a female boxer or a woman’s boxer.
Okay, i have uh you guys.
This is.
I mean this.
This day has been crazy, okay, but i am a female fighter who has competed on the elite level for many years.
I’M an old lady now, and so this show this platform here.
The natalie sugar brown natalie sugar show.
Okay is the platform that i give you guys, the authentic, authentic perspective, authentic experience of a woman in women’s boxing, not just boxing women’s boxing, okay, because women’s boxing is a totally different jungle than the boxing that you may see.
The mailboxing terrain that you would see and you’re more familiar with, so although there are some things that work the same, there are many things that uh work differently for women boxing okay, so we talking tonight and tonight’s topic is journey women now um.
I want to start this one out, because there there have been many topics that sugar has gone over uh in the show.
Okay, um and i’ve explained to the best i can and all of these different uh details of boxing and women’s boxing.
That translates to the industry and and how we operate okay, so there is now the topic that has been uh has re-emerged in women’s boxing uh.
Regarding the difference between an unwitting mismatch right up, an opponent – that’s unwittingly unwittedly signed up for something that they could not deal with and they weren’t prepared for and journey women who are fighters who are in the game and they’re, not in the game, to win they’re In the game to lose right, so i know you guys are thinking.
Why would you do this? Why? Why would someone sign up to lose well at a certain point, uh or in any industry where there’s a winner and a loser someone’s got to lose and what we don’t understand, or what the average joe and jane hasn’t come to terms with? Is the winner or the loser is just as important as the winner? Yes, the loser is just as important as the winner.
Why? Because the loser is why the winner is the winner.
Somebody got ta lose and in boxing they are called journeymen and journey women, meaning that they’ve taken on this journey not to become champion but they’ve taken on the journey to be the challenger of some of the greatest or the greats.
Now um an opponent is not an opponent.
Opponent pointed right: it’s not an opponent is not a relative term, meaning um, because they’re an opponent it doesn’t mean that they are low quality.
It doesn’t mean that they’re losers, it doesn’t.
The connotation of opposition uh doesn’t mean much, you have to go below the surface and figure out.
What kind of opponent is this? Is this a con? An opponent, that’s a contender, a contender is someone who is uh.
Skilled is a quality of the champion quality.
Uh of the caliber that may propose a problem to the champion and um may may well very well be the new champion.
Okay, so that’s what a contender is and then from being a contender.
Then you have.
How can i say this so then you have a journey woman and a journey woman is someone who has been around, has had many fights and they are skilled in the art of making the winner look good, okay, they’re skill in the art of being the the The the mouse that the cat catches right and the thing is, you know ultimately that mouse is gon na lose or that you know that she she’s gon na escape, but her escape is i got paid? Okay, because what happens is when you’re a journey woman? Sometimes you get more money than the the champion got for the fight yeah.
It works like that right, um.
If, if there are managers out there that all they have our journey men and journey women, because everyone wants to be a winner and there’s money, there’s something to gain in that.
If everyone wants to be the winner, then who’s the valuable uh component, the loser right.
So that loser can charge their price, meaning that you know uh, we call them 4 and 40 fighters 4 and 40, meaning that they’ve won.
Okay they’ve showed the capacity that yeah i can win.
If, if you sleep sleeping or if you don’t do what you’re supposed to do, i can win, but the 40 lets.
You know that.
But my game is i’m a loser in this game.
Okay, i’m my job is to lose, and so, when you switch, the numbers right say: 10-0 means they’re a winner.
Okay, two and eight now means that’s a journey person.
They’Ve had ten fights, they’ve won twice, but they’ve lost eight times, that’s letting the matchmaker know and and the um the person who’s fighting them know that okay, this person may present a challenge depending on what their quality and skill set is.
They will propose a challenge.
This is this is ultimately a test that i need to pass right.
So if you’re, not at the caliber of this journey woman, she will beat you that’s what a journey man and a journey woman is okay, it’s to test the um.
It’S it’s! It’S a test in the finer in the fighters: development development, not ju, okay journey, but development as well.
Okay, now the contender is not a test.
The contender is a challenge right, it’s not to see if you pass beca or fail right, because a journey person is this.
A journey person’s record is riddled with screwed up decisions, decisions that you can see that, ah man, they won that fight.
If you were there, you could see they won that fight, but because now they’re fighting the winner.
Okay, that winners promoter ain’t going to let them lose to the journey person right they’re not going to let them lose because then, if you lose, i brought this person in to lose against you and you lost you, my money’s down the drain now right.
So that’s where you get these horrible decisions um, where promoters, sometimes they pay for opponents.
Sometimes they uh trap contenders into becoming opponents, so they’ll take a contender to fight their their prospect, their fighter, their female woman boxer who they promote and they bring this contender in and the contender could very well or will very well whoop his fighters ass, okay and Because, now that the the intent was for the promoters fighter to win the judges who are paid by the who promoter, the judges are gon na know that, okay, unless it’s a knockout and i’ve, still seen someone get stopped right, someone dude the shake and and been Out on their feet and the fight waved off and stopped and they still won the fight, because no one pays attention to women’s boxing.
So when you have these preposterous um, you know dealings inside the ring.
Not many people watch us enough to make a stink about it, um and so promoters move on and they make their money and and that fighter moves on.
And then the contender is the one stuck with the ended of the stick right, because um messed up decisions really do still affect your record right.
It surges through the boxing world that uh no, that was a robbery right.
So then, now you’re in you’re.
In this realm, where you have these screwed up decisions, people know that you’re a winning contender, but your record reflects that you may be, you may be a loser.
So what happens? Is you stop getting as many calls right, because people don’t know what to what to think of you or what to take of you, meaning they don’t know whether you are a journey woman who has made the agreement to lose or, if you’re, an actual contender that They’Ve turned hi michael.
I was wondering when somebody was going to join the party.
So mike comes in hey mike um mike says: hi sugar, okay, say you like my shirt, so um yeah.
So what will happen is um.
Then um.
The the terrain turns you love the shirt.
Thank you mike.
So then the terrain turns into um what my grandmother used to say when dirty clothes get mixed in with clean clothes.
You can’t tell the difference right, so you got contenders mixed in with journey women and then what ultimately happens is uh people, don’t um people, don’t fight uh people that people don’t fight the proper opposition or um.
I mean they’re good matchmakers out there, so they’ll do their diligence in studying uh a prospect’s record, but when you have now a mess, a screwdriver once you start getting robberies on your record and then you, your record, starts looking ugly.
Your pay grade goes down.
Unless you turn into a journey woman right that you, you have no choice after a while, because you’re looking you’re looking at it, where, if i try to be a contender, if i try, if i go out here, trying to win, i’m not going to get calls.
So i might as well take my chances being a loser, so i can make money in this game.
Yeah uh.
Sadly uh.
That’S that’s the decision that they force a lot of great prospects to make, and so when they do that they take the money out the game right and then, when they do, that, you’ll find that a lot of these champions fight the same woman all the time And they’re, not just they say: oh you can’t find people.
You can’t fight women.
Women boxers are scarce.
No we’re not.
There are hundreds of thousands of us out here uh what they’re not telling you is finding um finding a loser.
That’S uh shitty enough to make my fighter look.
Good is scarce right because, just because the broad is a journey woman doesn’t mean she can’t fight she’s a journey woman because she had to make a choice now lovely assistant um.
Can you share what my uh an image that we have here? Do we have an an image that we can share? Okay, so i chose this journey woman.
To start with, her name is terry blair.
She fought back in the day uh early 2000s y’all can look that up um.
If my lovely assistants are here and can help me do that, so she fought back in the early 2000s and um.
You can see in her picture.
She is a a great specimen.
Um, look at her body, her arms, her chest like she, she looks like she’s in good condition, but that that’s how the story ended.
Uh for terry blair, when she first started, terry blair was uh under conditioned and conditioned meaning.
You know you’re, not you you’re, not in the weight class.
You should be fighting in so you’re in a higher weight class, because you have more poundage on you um, so you’re not conditioned or prepared for the opposition that you’ll be facing in that division.
That you’re you’re just not supposed to be in right, so uh, terry blair, um, oh okay, so my guys come in um terry blair’s career spending from 2002 to 2010.
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Okay, so she had a good run.
A good eight year run in the first um in the first few of her fights.
She was building herself to be a contender and then um what’s happened is when she started to step up to fight um a champion opposition, okay uh.
When she started stepping up to fight champion opposition.
Now it becomes promoter versus promoter and terry blair didn’t have a strong promoter in the game right.
So if you look at terry blair’s record, i believe terry blair fought some some um actual names out here.
I think she even who did she fight.
She fought um chevelle hall back, who is still around right now.
Um vying for uh super a welter super welterweight contention.
She fought holly holm, the legend, i’m sorry, she fought holly holm, the legend.
Okay, i don’t know how you gon na be a legend when you never left your backyard.
How are you going to be a legend when you never fought out of your home? Your your home state legends are legends because they have extended themselves and they’ve made their names out of um.
You know out of home court, but holly holm is considered a legend.
Okay, i mean sugars fought out of her.
That’S all sugar did fight out of her backyard.
She went to.
She went to somebody’s house to fight now the thing about this, because i’m gon na um i’m gon na deviate from it.
You show you show the quality or the fabric of who you are as a fighter when you take that chance and you leave the safety of your home ground.
It shows that you are real okay and you are bad now when you fight in your hometown or all the time.
It’S not oh, because i can do that and all because i’m helping no no you’re you’re setting you’re like basically you’re setting you’re setting a trap right, you’re setting a trap.
Um nothing would have stopped holly holm from traveling.
I would have loved to see.
Holly holm go fight, cecilia breakhouse, but uh boxing learner, hey you hi boxing learner, thanks for thanks for coming to the party.
So yes, the party getting started the party getting started.
Okay, so yeah, i’m happy to see you here and we’re talking about journey women.
Okay, boxing learner, so yeah, you may or may not know about women’s boxing uh a journey woman is just like a journeyman meaning they have more losses than wins on their record, and so they’ve made that silent agreement that they will be losers in the game.
They’Re.
Just as important as the champions, why? Because a loser makes the winner, okay and so at at a certain point in time and i would say: eat now.
The losers are making more money than the winners, because you got to pay me for my pride yeah right because, as a loser, that’s what you’re, putting on the line your pride, especially in female b in women’s boxing right because that’s all we got is our pride.
We we really don’t have much more than that.
That’S why we fight the way we fight.
That’S why we make the sacrifices we we make.
Okay, um.
We we’re just wired that way so um! Yes, i was hoping holly holm and cecile brake house would fight, but i mean when you got two broads that won’t leave stan, won’t leave their porch and they talk about i’m the champion, i’m hungry and posing they’re on their porch, but they won’t meet right and Fight each other, for the sake of what the industry and the sport is about the best fighting the best, then are they legends right? We throw that term around so loosely it loses.
Is it has lost its value in women’s boxing everyone’s a legend everything’s super everything’s mega, damn right and still ain’t, nobody making no money.
So how is everything legendary super and mega and ain’t no money being made right? We can’t talk about it.
We we even the losers, got to make you you got to have high-end losers, too right kodo.
In the men’s game.
He became a high-end loser.
He was they made him a champion in his own right, but he was a champ a champion.
Loser right.
Everybody had fought him and then, after a while, he became the pinata okay, so let’s i mean we’ve got to get there and women that we we’ve got to get to that place in boxing too.
Okay, that’s that’s! What i’m saying now michael chimed in and said that terry blair fought holly holm two times and she won two times.
Holly holm won two times right, so it was so good that i we had to do it again, not that it was close and they had to fight a second time for a rematch.
No hollyoam fought her twice because she knew that terry blair was made their promoter made terry blair into a that loser and uh she could beat.
She would beat terry blair twice.
Okay, so that’s it.
I mean um, lovely assistant.
Do you have another image that we can elaborate on? Ah, let me tell you something about this baddie right here, aksandia castillo now you see her record is 19 wins three losses in three draws.
Okay.
Now let me tell you about those three draws.
Those three draws were supposed to be wins for her, but what happened is the this decision if they had made those three losses in those three draws into actual losses, the decision would have been so blatant that it would invalidate a lot of people would get in Trouble and it would invalidate the actual match that they spent the thousands of dollars, hundreds and thousands of dollars on right, so they turned it into a draw.
But most likely those draws should have been wins.
So 19 wins 15 by k.
o and there might have been some paddington impediment in it.
But if you’ve seen this broad fight, you’ll know she she ain’t nothing to she, ain’t no joke.
So she fought at um super welterweight, middleweight and um super welterweight, middleweight and um.
Super middleweight, okay yeah.
She inclu that she in that hot weight class, that’s going on right now and what i would have loved to see and she’s uh aksandia castillo, is out of, i think either dominican republic or colombia.
I think lovely assistance, if you guys, can look that up.
I i greatly appreciate it so um yeah she fought out of the the those one of the latin up come back in dominican republic, so she fought out of the out of there and she is one hell of a fighter.
Uh good, build she’s built um uh.
I think she’s a little she’s she’s tall, like carissa, so about five, eight five, nine um, but she she has a stronger build than clarissa shields.
So and i i bring up clarissa shields because clarissa shields is the cream of the crop in that weight.
Division but oxandia castillo now the reason why uh she gets the spotlight for this.
Is she didn’t come from amateurs? She may have had some amateur background in the dominican republic, but the way if you watch her fight, you could see that she was trained by uh.
Some dogs yeah, she fights she.
She makes it a dog fight and she’s good at it, okay um, which is what we need in the game.
I i’ve said this before, where it’s turned into pageantry.
You know this this amateur background, where it’s very good, but it’s lost its pizzazz, because amateur boxing has become very political now as well.
So it’s it’s all based on who’s.
You know who’s with the in crew and where you’re fighting at and all of that stuff.
Where amateur boxing before was a pretty fair playing field at one time i i would say it was more fair than now uh michael orr comes in uh.
Her draws were against rosie de leon, quarry cindy serrano and ann mathis.
Okay, so i know for sure i’ve.
I saw the fight with anne sophie mathis and aksandia won that fight aksandia won that fight um, but they made it a draw, and let me tell you something about aunt sophie mathis, that one ain’t no joke neither and sophie matthew.
I would love.
I would have loved if she was around now because y’all y’all talk about savannah marshall.
No, no, no, no and sophie mathis had that boom in her slingshot, okay.
She she and she didn’t – have an amateur background right.
So she was a dog in there too, and she was tough, okay and she could fight.
Now.
I wish i mean we we need.
We need that quality back in this game, because, right now it’s too many pageantry, it’s too much pageantry and there’s too many disney princesses in in this game.
Right so um back to aksandia, castillo um, the fight between her and and um and and uh sophie mathis was actually a great, a good fight and she’s.
That fight sealed her worth from me because um [, Music ] she she she did what it do.
Okay, she turned around and she um they fought.
Uh cecilia bracas also fought aksandia castillo, where um in that fight you’ll need to look at it.
It was two against one guess who was the two yeah, so it was cecilia brycos and her referee against aksandia castillo, and it bees like that in in the ring right.
Don’T ever assume that the referee is fair, always assume that the referee is on the opponent’s side unless you’re paying the referee, unless you know that you’re the promoters um fighter, you’re the promoter’s girl, um and you know, y’all cutting that rough.
A check assume um unless you’re that assume that that that ref is working for your your opponent.
Okay, so in that oxendia castillo versus cecilia breckus and her referee, oxania uh put up a really really good uh performance, but because of the shenanigans of the ref, i think aksandia didn’t have the experience to understand what was happening to her and it took it.
It really took her morale down and she lost her will in the fight and so um.
I believe they.
They said it was a stoppage, but it was on some uh.
Cecilia breakers can’t stop uh no fighter named aksandia castillo, that’s for damn sure.
Um host comes in that fight was for the world boxing federation super welterweight championship.
Yes, so aksandia castillo fought for the super welter weight championship and she fought from super welter right up until to middleweight um, which, which is what i love about this fighter, because she was willing to go down there and when she did go down there.
She fought a killer down there in aunt sophie mathis cindy serrano um was a great contender in the game too, not familiar with uh rosie de leon.
I’M really not familiar with that fighter, but cindy serrano and anne mathis.
She um extended herself right.
She lost that weight to take the chance and go down and take that challenge, which adds even more fabric quality to the fabric of fighter that oxia castillo is now, and so michael orr comes in and says she’s listed as heavyweight on box wreck.
Yes, so now she’s uh heavyweight and i believe she is um ranked number one uh as as a heavyweight, but you see um what happens? Is they stopped calling aksandia right because she she was still trying to win and when you stop getting calls and you’re trying to make a living as a fighter right, you can’t make a living so either you quit or you move to a weight class where you Know you people might take chances with you so now, she’s in the heavyweight people might take chances fighting oksania castillo as a heavyweight, maybe right and so who’s.
Who is a famous and popular heavyweight that we know of right now? Who uh i i’m gon na ask y’all to anybody chime in um who is a who? Who is the female heavyweight that that you guys just know she? She just comes to mind when y’all think about the women’s boxing heavyweight champion.
Um michael orr, said her last fought fight.
She fought was at 231 pounds, whoo child sound, like excitedly a mess, probably mess around and had a baby too.
While she was out.
Who knows that them babies will put put that weight on you look trust me: um sugar’s, a mom.
I have a son and let me tell you, i went from 140 pounds to 300 pounds yeah after i had my son and i had to work my ass off to get back down to my fight weight right because i wasn’t taking no chances at no 300 Pounds i didn’t want to fight at middleweight, uh super middleweight.
I didn’t want to fight anywhere else, but where um i was because um, you know, i’m still a woman right – and i didn’t know myself in in those um at those weight classes and – and i really didn’t like being there – i didn’t.
I didn’t really like um how my body felt and and and what what i was at those higher weights.
So i came down back down to the sugar that showed that everybody knew and and the sugar that y’all see um michael or comes in she’s ranked number one in the dominican republic, and she showed this.
She should be ranked.
I mean they have a good amount of fighters out of the dominican republic, women’s fighters too, but um [, Music ].
I want internationally um michael orr, says she’s ranked at number 23.
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So i don’t, i still don’t think she’s active, because the type of fighter aksandia castillo is is she will mess around and still be dangerous at heavyweight she can fight.
I want you all to look at her.
She can fight um hannah gabriel’s right, so yeah hannah gabriel’s at the the fighter who dropped clarissa shields.
Now is that uh, i think hannah gabriel’s is actually ranked at light.
Heavyweight right light heavyweight is 178 or something like that and yeah havria hannah gabrielle um.
She took some time off uh she she was rallying at um because she, her name, came her.
Her name came across my path when i was uh fighting when i was, and, and sugar always fought between uh 140, that my my my weights, that i preferred to fight between 140 and up to 147 pounds any anything higher, y’all y’all know um sugar.
They put um nickels, i i was weighing in with with rose and nickels and quarters in my pockets.
Okay um, so hannah gabriel’s is is up there in that weight and i would love to see aksandia castillo fight, hannah gabriel.
That would be a a really good match between the two, because i’ll i’ll give it to hannah hannah takes it seriously.
She conditions herself, she she can fight a little bit.
She’S she’s, the only fighter who dropped clarissa shields on her ass.
So you got to give um and it was weird it was with a uppercut too.
It was widow.
I think it was a right uppercut.
She she dropped the gwat with, and so if, if you could sneak a uppercut in on the gwat who has to me the highest iq in women’s boxing right now, that’s saying something um, so um michael orr comes in lanny daniels is the heavyweight champ? Okay, um hannie daniels, i mean lenny daniels – is somebody who i’m not very familiar with looked like.
She bought the damn belt right because there are belts there sitting and i, like i always say if your promoter, if you and your promoter, got the money and you could pay for the belt – it’s yours, so not many women are sitting at heavy weights.
There’S not many com, there’s not many contenders at heavyweight.
The hot division is uh between light weight and super middleweight right, so those belts are there for for the buying they’re for sale, so lanny daniels – i i have not even i i don’t know of her.
I have not seen her in the ring in action the heavyweight that i know that we know um in women’s boxing is who christina hammer out of germany right.
That’S the heavyweight that we know so um unless uh lanny daniels is gon na fight um and i think christina hammer is still ranked as the the heavyweight champion right and in some in the in the um, more prestigious sanctioning rankings um, so lanny daniels, if you Out there and you watching or somebody know her, please tell her to fight christina hammer right.
That’S what we need to be fighting, that’s what we need to be going after, if not get you on one of these big cards right, get you on one of these cards, so we can see you in action start putting your fights online.
So we can see if, if you you got that heavyweight thunder that we we looking for okay, uh angie paola roca is a heavyweight she’s.
Ten and three and three and um michael orr says that she comes to mind.
So ten wins three losses.
Three draws.
I think that name, i’ve heard of okay, she’s ranked number two out of 23.
um and hannah gabriel’s is fighting andrew polla rocca on the 13th of this uh um of this month.
Okay, mike thanks for the information i’ll be looking out for that fight.
Um michael orr said that they these two fought already in october, um october 13th of 2017.
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So they doing it again.
Why? You see what i’m saying this is not no ring around a rosy type of deal.
There are other heavyweights out here right, but they only want to take a chance with fighting each other because they know that there might be a shark out there.
That’Ll bite their heads off right, uh, carlet, ewell, comes to mind.
Carla ewell is she’s a she’s, a crone like she’s, a mountain lion.
Okay, in this game, she is um over 50 years old and she has a belt.
So um, you guys look up.
Um, lovely assistants, please look up carla, ewell, carlette, ewell and and give me her numbers.
Um michael orr comes in and say: oksana fought gabrielle in 2017.
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Okay, so it looks like hannah gabrielle because, like i said, her name came across um when i was fighting because um we, the the question, came up that we or the the idea came up, that we should fight and i was willing to fight oksana.
I mean um, not oxana, i was well.
I would i’ll fight anybody, but um.
I was willing to fight hannah gabriel’s, but what had happened? What had happened was my sugar got reach.
Okay, sugar got reached, so my porch was her.
Porch was dominican republic and at the time i had an extended porch and onto virgin islands, the u.
s virgin islands, and they wanted me to go to the dominican republic to fight hannah gabriel’s, and i was like no i’m not leave.
We can meet i’m a u.
s fighter.
I can go as far i’ll go as far as the u.
s virgin islands and i’ll fight her there.
She didn’t take the i mean her and her people didn’t follow up on the offer right um.
She had got molly wopped by um.
This girl, her last name.
Her first name is y’all.
Look at hannah gabriel’s in her earlier fights.
She fought a girl named melissa.
I forgot her last name that fighter right.
There is also she was a hell of a fighter, but they turned her into a journey woman.
She fought hannah gabrielle’s twice and beat her two twice in dominican republic, but when you go to a fema, a woman boxers country, her backyard to fight her, we call it – you got: ta kill the queen right.
She they got ta.
Take her out of that ring on a stretcher right, if not you ain’t gon na win, so you better be sure when you leave in either that it’s gon na be neutral ground and you really have to know if it’s neutral ground is, if you have a Promoter or a backer that also has a hand in picking the judges and putting on the fight.
If it’s one-sided, where your opposition is the one you flying over to their backyard and they’re the one um putting on the party, it ain’t gon na work out.
For you, sugar learned it the hard way when she went to japan and fought fujian rika.
I boxed her ears off.
I probably should have dropped her and really did her dirty, but sugar was green and what happened was it was the first women’s boxing match in the history of japan, and here i am taking my amateur mentality into this, meaning i’m gon na box her and we’re Gon na box and show the world how skillful women boxers are where i should have smashed her face like um, the fighter who came behind me did and won the fight.
Okay right, so my lovely assistant comes in um, saying that hannah gabriel’s fought a fighter named melissa, melisinda perez two times.
I know i know my stuff now.
Melis melisinda perez is also a hell of a fighter.
They turned back to back.
Yes, so she fought.
Gabrielle’S fought melissa, melisenda perez back to back, because perez beat her ass in dominican republic yeah.
She had um what you call it hannah gabrielle doing the backslide in in you know she she had to do in the backslide in the fights both times yeah.
She she made gabrielle look bad in front of her peoples, her people’s dm, so they brought her back a second time and same thing.
Perez took it to her, but what happened? They took the fight from um perez both times, okay, so and then perez.
The word went around that part.
Perez was a tough cookie and people stopped calling her and she had to disappear into the sunset all right.
She probably she had to find something else to do, because it wouldn’t be boxing.
She was at a weight class that wasn’t really um, both both fights late round tko.
Okay, that’s the story to be disputed; okay, it should be online y’all watch that fight okay, it it ain’t, go like that when it’s a ko, okay tko.
That means the referee made a decision in that fight or the the referee had something to do with stopping the fight and, like i said, if you’re fighting in uh, if you’re the the promoters fighter, then the referee works for you, okay, and if the referee sees That you getting dragged referee can very well orchestrate something that’s happening in the ring where um they help you to win the fight or they help you to a tko okay.
So that’s what happens um.
Where was i yes? So i digress.
Alexandria, castillo um is rallying at heavyweight.
There are a whole bunch of.
There are a bunch of women right now rallying at heavyweight uh, lanny daniels, angie, paola roca, um hannah gabriel’s, all those women, but um.
We need to see them fight each other right.
You not! Ladies, my big girls – you not cute enough yet to be fighting um.
People that are not you know are, are not the same caliber as you, so you all need, ladies need to be fighting each other, and you all need to be bringing that action.
So people can understand uh people can understand that there is quality competition in opposition in that heavyweight division, um, okay, so um the host, i’m on host of my show, host of the sugar show as the link to the first fight between uh hannah, gabrielle’s and um Melissa dia perez y’all have a alone y’all watch it it it.
It’S not a clean fight, it’s not a cute fight, but it’s a fight nonetheless, and um.
If you watch the fight and if you, if y’all, have any uh if y’all think contrary of what sugar might have said, bring it on back to the show and let’s talk about it, okay, you know because i i love the other person’s opinion.
I i know i respect the other person’s opinion, just as much as i i have an opinion.
Okay, i i perspective is the um.
Is the spice of life? Okay, um, lovely assistant? Is there another image that we can uh? We can elaborate? Ah, so now we have jane couch now, look at this record now, jane couch, oh so, michael or goes back to um perez versus gabrielle.
The first fight was a 10th round tko, okay, so women, we only fight for 10 rounds and the fight was stopped in the 10th round.
Okay, we’ll see we’ll see how that goes.
Y’All watch the fight links in the links in the um in the box.
There.
Okay, so jane couch 28 wins 11 losses.
No draws was the first journey women that i knew that i really learned from um jane couch is a legend.
She is a legend okay, so this one right here: okay, she belong in the books um.
It was illegal in the uk for women to box and jane couch, fought tooth and nail and put her life, her reputation and everything on the line, so that women in europe in the uk can legally make a living being fighters.
So if you ask most of the female uk fighters about jane couch, um yeah will probably they would probably not know who she is right and that’s the thing about it that i, i really think is stank.
Uh a stanking broad in this game is abroad.
Who doesn’t know the game doesn’t know enough about the game to know who made it so that she could be what she is and make the money that she’s making, whether it be a penny or millions of dollars in the game.
Um katie, taylor, um? Who else is a you um fights out? I mean uh hearn, okay, eddie hearn um is a uk promoter and never shot it out, never like at any of his fights paid homage to jane, couch and she’s.
The reason why he can make some damn money over there, um with katie taylor and fighting in in europe in england in the uk, because it was illegal until jane, couch, fought to make it legal um.
She uh j, jane couch, who is a bristol resident, became the first british woman in history to be officially licensed as a female boxer.
That’S huge! That’S super! That’S mega, okay, um and her career spanned from 1994 to 2007.
.
Okay, so that that’s uh um to end! That’S what 13 years or so like yeah, that’s legendary, so um and she needs to be in the hall of fame international boxing hall of fame or the women’s boxing hall of fame.
I’M not sure if they’ve inducted her in either but she deserves.
She certainly deserves a spot or a chair on that platform.
Um, so jane couch fought out of england and she would fly her ass over to the where it was legal and fight anybody right and she was known to she.
She would.
She was some in some of the fights she’d get she’d get knocked from post to post, but in some of the fights she she actually won right because she, she was a tough broad.
She was a baddie out of england and she was always game.
That’S what i loved about her never complained always showed up to the party always showed up prepared, ready to fight, and she was she was the pinnacle of what a a woman boxer mentality should be at the time.
Um michael ort comes in uh, jane credits, boxing with keeping her out of big time trouble after being expelled from her blackpool school as a teenager, all right, so she was always a young lady, a woman behaving badly.
We tend.
To always, i mean we talk about fabric fabric and quality, but sir, we we i’ll i’ll put it this way us women who fight you always know what aisle in the in the store right defined us right that we were all there’s just a certain type, and It’S not a negative thing, or not very or not positive thing.
It’S just.
There is just some women who will go there physically um and extend themselves, and you know you could see that quality in in in her ever since she was a a a itty-bitty girl.
You know my mom would tell me stories about natalie.
You were always quiet and you were shy, but there was a streak in you right and if somebody touched that cord, oh, my gosh, you’d flip the whole kindergarten, you tear the whole kindergarten to pieces oops, but i turned it into sugar, okay, um.
So some of us use our powers for good and some people.
Some of us don’t use that power very wisely um and so um yeah, michael orr.
You looked up the whole um, the whole story about jane couch and it’s quite a journey for her um michael orr comes in and says so where’s your shirt that says miss too bad.
That’S coming too, you got ta wait.
I can’t wear two shirts at the same time, so we do the sugar shirt first, because it’s the sugar show and they were too bad when two bags show up you’ll, see it right, and i always say this too: you could always do a wardrobe change.
You’Re right, it’s not too late for that, neither it’s not too late for that.
I think that would be fun.
Wink, wink, i’ma, wink back at you too, michael so um, yeah, um and you’ll notice.
Like i said, there’s personas right me as a fighter.
I have um there’s natalie who’s outside of the ring: okay, not natalie’s, a mother, a sister she used to be a wife.
I am no longer uh, i’m no longer a married woman.
Okay.
So if, if you want to try some sugar [ Laughter ], that’s all i got to say you know it’s worth it sugar’s worth a try.
Um michael orton, you know i’m taking you up on that offer [ Laughter ] mike.
Don’T you threaten me with a good time on my show? Listen.
Where are we? Where are we? Where we live? You better.
Stop you better stop! So now um, let’s get back to the michael mike we are.
We live.
It’S not a threat.
It’S a promise.
You know what i might have to keep this going.
Okay, so i’m gon na take listen.
If it’s a promise, you you, you won’t have to promise me something good.
Do not! You won’t have to if it’s a promise, if it’s a promise now you got to make sure, is something good, [, Laughter, ] um, so um, let’s see do i have.
Is there any other images? Is there any other images? Ah, so we have dahania santana.
Who is you see, she’s, not a four and forty fighter, but she has quite a bit of losses on her record.
Okay, 40 wins 13 losses.
She’S she’s been stopped four times so um i’ve seen this fighter fight she’s a baddie.
This broad is bad, be careful.
Okay, um, i think she fought as low as 122 pounds 100.
Then she she went up.
She has fought, i think, as low as 122 pounds or 32 okay um, my brain ain’t on box wreck mode.
Today, y’all y’all just wouldn’t even realize what kind of day sugar has had.
Okay, it’s one of the ferris bueller days, i’m showing my age.
Okay, but yeah.
Oh michael orr comes in she’s, been as low as 118.
, so i told you okay.
This is a bad! This is a baddie right here, she’s now rallying at 140 pounds so uh from 118 pounds to 140 pounds.
Okay and she could fight she can fight.
Now she may not be strong at all.
I’M gon na tell you where she’s deadly she’s deadly between 122 pounds and 132 pounds.
I would love to see your girl michaela meyer fight, dahania santana at 130 pounds.
Ah, that would be a super fight that would be great yeah, because um homegirl can she can box.
She can fight.
I um, i believe she fought amanda serrano as well and um.
I think it is worth another go for.
I i would love for amanda serrano to to bring her back on for a for a performance for them to to fight on um on one of jake paul’s cards, because when they fight that’s a good show.
Those two make a good show um.
The last time.
Michael or comes in the last time they fought was december: 16, 2020.
, okay, um, dahania, santani santana also fought tiara brown, which was a good war.
I saw that fight.
It was great that was a good war too um.
So yes, dahania.
The diana santana is a great journey woman, uh for and and she is not to be um.
She is a contender that they turned into a journey woman, okay, but she’s so good that she stayed in the game.
Um.
She even fought the she even fought.
The dog melissa, saint vil, mr melissa, saint phil, is a dog out there she’s a bra she’s, a she’s, a broad, that’s coming in she’s a crone now and she’s ready she’s on the shelf.
Now i know that there put her on the shelf, so her bones.
Can soften up a little bit because what she did to um jessica, camara and olivia gorilla? They had to put her ass on the back burner on the back on the back uh things on the stove, because she she would put a hands on them bro.
She had she had jessica, looking like what’s homeboy from our movie, there um where’s homeboy from fr from our our movie, the goonies.
What’S his name, santana scheduled to fight melissa hernandez on the 27th? Okay, that sounds good melissa hernandez is a crow.
Now she sat out for a very long time.
Who knows why? Okay, but she was melissa hernandez, was a great fighter.
Okay, um she had the possess.
She had the performance, she was fearless and she stepped to a lot of these.
She she exposed a lot of these um so-called champions um, one of them uh jelena, marjanovic out of edmonton um.
She exposed jelena uh several times so um.
I think that’s a good match up uh santana versus hernandez on the 27th.
I’M looking forward to that.
I hope um.
I hope that we can uh see the footage for that action.
Uh michael orr comes in you mean our man, sloth, hey you guys.
Yes, yeah um, melanie male right, um, mellie, mel minnie, tyson, melissa, uh, melissa, st bill had uh jessica camara.
Looking like our man, sloth off of goonies and they fight yeah man um, and i quite enjoyed that uh camara is still in the game.
I think she has a fight coming up soon, um.
I think they stepped her up too fast, but at the same time i know i know kamara as a fighter and um kamera, and i were in the same kitchen at one time and i could tell you this: i’m not gon na bad.
I i will never.
I’M not going to um down talk a fighter, she works hard and she worked hard when we were in the same kitchen but um as a fighter.
You have to respect the game and you have to respect time in the game right.
So you can’t come in and thinking that you, the new hot piece of ass on the block and think off the strength of that that you get to be a champion.
You got to put you, you got to pay your dues in the game and i think she’s learning that the hard way which i told her she would because she was very disrespectful.
Very very you will find you’ll hear about the disrespect between me and her um.
The story between me and camara and the sugar memoirs that will be coming uh soon right, but um yeah don’t be disrespectful in this game.
This game for is, is filled with karmatic energy, and this game is full of some bad that you really shouldn’t mess with.
But um i digress so um michael orr, says going to fight on the 17th khmer is going to fight on the 17th, who who is khmer gon na fight on the 17th uh michael, let me know um tba, so they finna buy somebody they looking to buy.
Somebody and bring in so it’s not going to be a contender.
It’S going to be somebody to keep camara busy and it’s gon na be probably a journey woman.
That’S going to um keep her bones from getting too soft and get her uh a win on on her record, because i think her last fight was with callie reyes and although she put up a spirited match against cali reyes, um kelly blazed her ass up um.
In in some points of the fight to show her and to show the judges that listen, this ain’t going to take nothing from me, um and plus it doesn’t hurt to be married to the manager of both of you.
Okay, so cali rays is married to brian cohen, who is the manager of her who is cali, ray’s manager and jessica, kamara’s manager and many other.
He manages many other women in this game.
I’M gon na say this y’all.
Okay, i’m gon na put this out there because we got ta have some sense.
If your manager has the um, if your manager is managing another broad in or around your same weight division, you got to fire him.
You got to get out of that situation because he cannot there’s you.
He cannot be a dual agent to you guys right.
He can’t work for both of y’all’s best interest because y’all are competitors, it doesn’t make sense.
You all got ta use your brains out here.
Um michael orr comes back with a correction: um chimera, uh correction camaro is fighting da silva on august 13th da silva.
I don’t know, what’s the silver’s first name and what’s her record um michael orr comes in she’s double booked because it also says kim wobbik.
Can you please give me the numbers on um da silva and kim wabik, you can’t be.
You got to be sure that you’re going to get out of one fight un unscathed to pre-book another fight.
So that’s really! You know what i’m saying she doing it: the wrong way girl, where you going get it right when you gon na get it right.
You need to call me, i don’t like you, but i do respect you enough to give you some decent advice.
Um now michael orr says and two different places, so one is in houston and the other is in melrose.
The silva is 17, wins, 21 losses a journey woman, so they testing camara with the silva she’s fighting a journey woman, okay, 17, wins and 21 losses um.
So, instead of throwing her in because um what they did was, they did not put camara in with a journey woman at the caliber of uh, melissa, saint vale, and that’s why melissa saint vale turned her into a sloth.
Right so looks like her management has gone back to the drawing board and they movement her they trying to move her differently, so she doesn’t take as much damage and she uh they they’re working hard on camaro, i’m thinking one day.
She may be world champion.
Okay, because that she that’s one, that’s one thing she do, she do what she got to do to get what she want.
She do what she got to do to get what she wants and i guess you got to respect that um and then she fights wobbik, which is four wins two losses and two draws.
I don’t like it girl.
That’S not that, don’t i don’t like um, but you know, legends and greats.
In women’s boxing there there have been legends and grace greats with worst resumes and and worst looking journey, so girl get your life um.
Let’S see what you can do, um michael orr says then she’s fighting uh september 17th against tba, so camara is booked twice in the same month.
You can’t do that.
You can’t do that.
They got that wrong.
You can’t fight two times in the same month.
No more michael orr says: maybe the one she doesn’t fight on august 13th is the one she’s going to fight september 17th.
She’S booked twice for august 13th for two different opponents can do that if she signed two contracts at the same time, she’s supposed to be suspended, you can’t do that.
You can’t do that.
Um [, Music, ] and – and you can’t do that because um you know the the commission’s um it’s for the safety of the fighter.
They say right because when you go when, when you sustain that kind of damage, you need to at least have three weeks to heal, to heal before you take on another situation where you can sustain uh further damage, because a fight is a fight, is a fight.
Whether you win the fight or loses fight, you’re, sustaining damage, you’re getting hit, yeah you’re, you’re, exhausting yourself, your body, your brain yeah, so that has to be respected, um, and so is there any more pitchers lovely assistant or is that it that’s it? I think that’s it.
I think.
That’S it.
Okay, so um yeah um, so you could take uh, dahania, santana’s picture off and um.
Let’S talk you guys so um.
I appreciate i appreciate some of my.
You know um my people showing up tonight, michael you always in the building.
I love that um, who else came in uh, where you at talking fight my my crew, talking fight, came in helped out with the numbers who else who else was out here come on? Where you at where you at and boxing learner, chimed in okay, so we had ourselves a little party and um looks like i’ma call it a night.
But before i do right, i want to say this.
Uh tonight’s talk was about the journey women of women’s boxing.
Just like their uh, journeymen, okay and so the journey women, i want to say this once again, are just as important as the champions, because it is those women that make the climate of competition.
Okay, these women get up every day and they still run they still spar.
They still prepare.
This is not mismat match.
A mismatched person is somebody who has not been prepared is not conditioned as unwinded unwittedly signed up to fight someone who’s wayne who has experience or has way more experience.
That’S a mismatch.
Okay and most mismatched people have good records.
Okay, we want to put it right back to cenisa, estrada versus that that seven second knockout, that was a mismatch: okay, that that is a blemish on synesia’s record, not the girl who who got um, you know laid out who got slumped? Okay, we’re not! You know! It’S not anything funny to laugh about, because you know that that isn’t i mean.
That is something that you can.
How can i describe it? That is um.
I mean i can’t articulate it right now, but when you sign somebody up for something that they don’t know about – or they isn’t, they have no expectations for is um a level of cruelty that um deserves punishment or or some kind of accountability, so um that journey Women are um, michael orr comes in and says lenny daniels heavyweight champ.
No, no! No! I’M sorry y’all, i’m behind in my comments, but i know somebody came in and chimed in and said something.
Let’S see who came in, let’s see who chimed in and say what they said, what they said.
Okay, oh michael orr, says it’s it’s disgusting, um michael orr says i was just about to mention that fight it’s disgusting.
It should be called manslaughter.
I agree mike.
I agree right, so you don’t do that.
You know pick a fight with somebody who wants to fight and journey women wants to fight.
Just as much michael said it.
I was gon na say it.
That’S how people die in the ring? Okay, but not so much dying, the ring that this is how people actually die in the ring.
Okay, um and michael orr says: that’s been happening way too much lately, it shouldn’t happen at all right, michael, that’s what these commissions are there, for.
They have to be more um stringent in their um in in how they um pass fighters right, but this is how um fighters die in the rain.
What happens is i tell you? The matchmaker is the deadliest person on a boxer’s team right so on the team.
There’S a promo there’s your promoter, there’s your manager um, but the promoter hires, your matchmaker.
Okay, that matchmaker is a stalker that matchmaker looks at everybody in and around your weight division and watches them.
They watch their fights, they watch how they’ve won or how they’ve lost they look at their records.
They look at the quality of matches and opponents they’ve had and they picked just the right person for their fighter to swa slaughter.
So a matchmaker should pick opposition.
That is evenly matched so the promoters fighter can mature into proper champion material and championship contention, but they’re not doing that now, they’re being underhanded and slimy right and it should be called manslaughter because they’re picking people who are not con they’re jumping over real contenders heads To find tomato cans and to find people who are mismatched unwittingly signing up for things that they will get hurt for so this is how people die in the ring people dying to ring from not being conditioned properly for the type of fight and opposition that they’re Gon na face okay, you can’t just bring your ass to a fight and you haven’t been running.
You haven’t been sparring: you haven’t been training uh with with um, with the type of conditioning that will help you be strong to face the the opposition that you’re gon na face.
Okay.
So, as you train, your body gets stronger, you hit, but you become, you have more endurance.
You become wiser right, you’re, sharper, okay people who are not conditioned to fight these championship fights and go these championship rounds.
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