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EPISODE: Episode 3
As always Natalie brings the heat in this episode discussing the great sport of boxing and her opinions on the women who contribute to it.
The SUGAR Show is a series focused on Women’s Boxing. Natalie SUGAR Brown visits all aspects of Women’s Championship Boxing involving both up-and-coming and seasoned amateur and professional female boxers, along with studio segments covering headlines and developments across the sport. The program primarily broadcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:30 pm eastern time, weekly.
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Transcribed:
[, Music, ], hey y’all, it’s your sugar here and guess what time it is.
It must be 7, 30 on a wednesday night, because here we are and we’re about to talk women’s boxing.
I am natalie sugar brown for those who don’t know me just yet.
Let me introduce myself and for those who are true to the show, let me re-introduce myself, i have.
I am natalie sugar brown.
I um also known as miss too bad, been in this game for a very long time, so i’m uh i’m a crone now as they would call a woman who has a female boxer who has been through the journey, and now i’m out.
I am actually out and i’m giving everyone an authentic perspective and um view of what it is to be in the industry and be a female or a woman in the industry of uh women’s boxing um.
So yeah i’ve been an elite uh level fighter for the majority of my career as an amateur and as a pro you can.
Google me i’ve had some good days at the office and i’ve had some bad days at the office, but guess what sugar? No to business, okay, so um tonight’s title is what women’s boxing sells.
Oh michael chimes in i’m so happy to see you michael hi, sugar, happy hump day happy hump day.
Let me tell you, because this wednesday show enough been tough on your girl showing up and tough on your sugar, but i’m glad that uh, my guys are here, um and present and – and we can all get together tonight and have our little party as we normally Do on wednesdays, let’s see who else chimes in, but we’re going to talk to talk tonight mike uh.
You know what you know.
We want to have a conversation.
Let’S talk because tonight is talking about what women’s boxing sells.
So i, my lovely assistant, has some images and we’re not going to show them just yet because i’m going to introduce the topic, meaning like i always say women’s boxing, even though we fight we are very different from the industry of mailboxing, we do not promote or Sell ourselves in the same way, even though right now um they’re, trying uh promoters like eddie hearn de la hoya, um golden boy, um top rank these.
These uh larger promoters now that have opened the door and and let some women into their stable are are selling us in the sport, but i think they have a lot to learn when it comes to how to sell a woman boxer, not female boxer, woman, boxer.
Okay, because um there’s a difference in being a woman in the sport and just being female by gender in the sport.
Okay, we we’re gon na visit some of that talk now: okay, so um how women’s boxing was sold back in the day um when it when it first started back when uh in the 1920s.
You know women were boxing and did yeah.
We were boxing back then, and it was really like a circus act, type of thing a side show, but women were scrapping too in barnyards and you know uh the underground stuff.
You know they took the damn uh top off and and had the bra on.
With the i mean, i i’ve read stories where you women, we we didn’t use gloves.
We were you, we were like actually fighting so you know, wrap the hands and grow the nails.
Y’All see sugar got nails now, but yeah, because you know sometimes you got ta you.
It was really.
It was really um archaic for women fighters back in the day, but we were fighters nonetheless, and i don’t want you all to call it nothing else.
Okay, i don’t want y’all to call it mma wrestling.
We was fighting, that’s what we were doing, okay and so as time continued, we were still fighting um.
We we still made it to platforms, barbara brewtrick back in in the 1920s uh small gal, but she was quite a fighter and um.
She.
She made a name for herself and women’s boxing.
In those times right on up till women started, making a bit more of a name mainstream in the in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s tiger tramar kathy cat davis, all of the um, the tunnel wanda all of these names – i i i hate just Throwing names out there, but these are the names that come to my head, um as the the real trailblazers of um.
Now taking not trail blazers of women’s boxing trailblazing trailblazers of taking it from underground to a more commercial vibe.
Okay, uh people talk about uh trailblazers and you know legends and all of that stuff and and really don’t know who the hell name.
They should be calling right um when you talk about trailblazers you’re, not talking about christy martin, lucia reicher leila you’re, not talking about those figureheads, those people that were made we’re talking about trailblazers, women like uh tiger tramar, who actually went to the state commissions and got Licensed tried to get licensed and and were rejected and had to fight for the right to make a living being a fighter not legitimately not fighting underground.
You know, and and risking your life for something that may not even turn out.
It turned out to be account and anyone has accountability.
Once we start licensing and once we start doing all of that stuff, then people become or have to become accountable for what goes down.
Okay.
So the trailblazers were the women, the first women who got their licenses to become professional boxers and make a living legitimately as fighters.
So moving on um, it’s been quite a road.
It’S been, it’s been quite a road because you know that the pros came first and then the amy’s, the amateurs came, which normally is the other way around.
You know the amateurs and then you become pro but, like i said, women’s boxing was never the same and was never sold the same as mailboxing okay, so um going into follow me now.
Follow me now uh going into the story of how this thing progressed.
I was a part of the first wave of women’s amateurs that made a a difference in the industry and put put countries on the map put programs on the map where they are legitimately training women on an olympic level in in the discipline of boxing to perform.
Okay, so um, i proudly uh claim that, along with a lot of my other peers who their their names kind of fell by the wayside, um kenisha ely, veronica, simmons, uh, uh, goodness g janine, martin uh, mickey pryor in it.
You know all of these and those were new york.
Ladies, you know: there’s the west coast of blanca gutierrez uh, just the list goes on and i hate naming the names.
I’M sorry.
All today is a hump day, so i don’t have to listen names, but i’m gon na come back with those names because they do need to be spoken, but um cindy zamudio.
You know, and she was quite a heavyweight um, letitia robinson out of shy town.
These were these names, these women um that were feared in the pro game.
So at that time the women’s amateurs we came out and we were actually being taught as the sharp shooters we were having a lot of experience more so than the women pros, because, as a professional now, you’re you’re only fighting when there’s a professional opportunity as an Amateur there are tournaments, there are shows and even though they say, they’re fewer and far between, we were able to fight each other and we were able to help each other extend to a standard of which you know we surpassed what the pro-women were doing.
Okay, so i said that to say this: um legends wouldn’t fight us right: they blocked us out the game, they cut our money.
So when we were starting to turn pro even in sparring, they wouldn’t spar with us.
I remember um old, champion world champion.
Mitzi jeter was in my kitchen and uh.
She was nice to a certain degree, but she wasn’t uh.
Let me take you on to my wing and and and guide you type of knife.
She was a nice wear, you better, not come think you can claim any grounds that i have so as the female and as as the pro female in in the in the circle or or in in in that kitchen, in the gym.
Oh, we had some spirited nights where yeah i was a scrappy young girl to say to her.
I’M here you finna respect me and i got the iq.
That’S gon na make you work okay, so uh thank thank her for that uh, but there were also pros out there that did take you under uh their wing and and used encouragement, not that we were best friends, but the encouragement was just tremendous uh pros, like Chevelle hallback um pros like um goodness she fought christy martin christy martin was not, and i’m going to say this and chris i mean not christy martin um mia saint john, not kristy, martin, because i didn’t meet christopher, but i did meet me as saint john and She was not nice, okay, people have these stories and she’s a sweet or whatever, but i tell you when, when it’s a competitive game, so when a female comes onto the territory – and you may feel that she has some attributes that may be comparable or surpass you, The the the environment becomes competitive and some of these broads are catty.
Okay, that it is what it is mia.
St johnny was a caddy broad, okay, um other.
You know israel guerra.
She fought um christy martin same type of deal, hi bye, but there was nothing where you know there was any camaraderie there um nina allen.
She was very nice.
She she.
She wasn’t a take you under the wing, but you know she she lent her perspective.
Whenever uh, whenever needed and and really that’s that’s that’s what you need as a young woman growing in the game and that’s what you need as a broad in the game.
That’S what you need as a crone in the game.
You need that camaraderie! You need that respect.
You need that mutual understanding of the standard that we’re all going to operate at, but my straight off topic um, going back to what sells now.
So we’re going back to what sells and uh the thing about women’s boxing and what sells in women’s boxing is some of us take the easy road and some of us put our blinders on and focus on, just tracking the road.
The easy road is i’m gon na get by on my beauty, i’m gon na get by with the boyfriends or the relationships that i can somehow manage to manifest and get the best out of it and i’ll use my womanly wises to get what i need and What i want out of the game, the other extreme, is not any.
I ain’t playing no games with no one, i’m not trying to be friends with nobody, i’m a fighter.
I can fight i’m gon na.
Let these take me as far as i can go.
So that’s from one extreme to the other, easy way right, hard way because um, when you focus on that on just fighting to get to the top uh, it’s a hard road.
It you you get black bald, you get um! You know you get barricaded people shut! That door, they don’t they, they don’t want to fight you, because they know it’s a hard fight and they know that they will have to fight right.
They would much rather fight uh, the ones that get there easy, because those girls get the attention, and i mean those bras, get the attention and um they get the opportunity and you just might be able to clip one of them.
Okay, so i mean that was the game, and then you have that comfortable medium median where the fighters like sugar, where, yes, i i do – use my womenly wiles to leverage myself on certain platforms.
But at the end of the day i can fight and i will fight and i want to fight okay, i seems like those who walked the road of that even till now are the ones that somehow um luck out doing it the easy way.
Uh.
Oh, we got somebody’s uh chiming in zev, it’s not just about fighting if you’re attractive and can okay.
So i i agree with you uh zev and thanks for j thanks for chiming in it’s hump day, but we got this.
We got this party started.
Uh.
Zeb comes in and um corrects themselves.
Zeb says it’s not just about fighting if you’re attractive, it’s um and you can fight okay.
So i i totally agree with that, because it’s about marketability right and beauty is in the eye of the beholder right.
So yes um.
It’S not just about fighting our angle.
Our angle is using what we are women to sell and market what we do so zev comes in again: um it’s about selling tickets and making money if you’re, attractive and can fight.
You are more marketable and then comes in to say sorry on my ipad.
It’S a business you’re! Absolutely right, zeb! I agree 100.
Okay, so it is about selling tickets for men and for women.
But how are tickets bought right? How i would market myself in selling tickets is different than my mail counterpart in selling a ticket right.
Some people just like to see women fight and behave badly.
Some people don’t want to see it right there and there are um corporations, companies and all of that that support certain things to a certain degree.
Okay, michael orr, chimes in advertising and marketing gurus have been using hot and attractive women to sell products.
For as long as i can remember, michael orr also says um boxing is a product that needs to be sold okay, so i hear y’all and i like it.
It’S a party okay, but that’s not how women’s boxing is sold yeah.
I said it: okay, women’s boxing isn’t really sold about um with the idea of oh she’s hot, oh she’s, attractive.
I want to see her fight.
Um women’s boxing is sold is oh she’s, hot and she’s attractive.
I want to see how she looks when she gets her ass beat.
I want to see how she looks when she takes a punch.
I want to see how she comes back from it.
I want to see her behave badly.
That’S the appeal! They really not trying to look at if she could fight – and it was heartbreaking for me too, when i realized that they’re not trying to see ooh, she could fight.
Oh, she punches her.
Oh, no, there have been worse, there have been horrible female fighters that just can’t fight and they have been um.
The grand is money makers, it’s marketability and it’s like i said it’s you guys are right in in that sense.
I totally agree with you, but it’s using your angle: okay, so um developing a persona because, like i said it’s about whether you like the broad or not in women’s boxing, it’s not about if she can fight it’s not about how pretty she is or how not Pretty she is it’s about whether you like that broad or not.
Okay, you may she.
She may not be the most attractive broad, but you like her swag in there.
You, like her personality, you like what she does at the weigh-in you like this, the she talks right may not have anything to do with the way she fights you just like her swag and you’ll always show up to see her execute okay, whether win or lose, Because in women’s boxing, that’s what our fans are, our fans? Are our fans win or lose because they like the broad okay, so sugar, you know sugar.
I i speak for myself now um.
I have die hard fans because um i’ve gone on so many hiatuses and have to come back and reinvent myself and every time i i had to come back.
I was a different sugar.
I came back better.
I came back different because i had to keep the audience interested and i had to reintroduce myself to my fans every time um you know i.
I came back with different styles in my fight right, but i also kept certain things that my fans loved about the old sugar that came up so it it’s it’s following much like men, boxing used to be way way way way back in the day.
How we sell women’s boxing now is following that woman on her journey to crone ship, okay and i’ve explained this in previous sessions that we’ve had um, that that we’ve, that previous episodes, where there’s phases of evolution in women’s boxing right, you start off.
As you know, a young amateur, okay uh, we, we call them emmys, we we call them um greenbacks.
You know we, we call those that they really haven’t been in a real fight.
They’Ve been in amateur fights, and you know we don’t talk about them too, too.
Much right because um they haven’t re, played the game.
The way the game is played just yet, then you become a professional okay and so, as a professional, you start off as a prospect you’re abroad.
Okay and uh abroad is a a a female who is willing to fight okay um.
Then you evolve and you become a crone okay, and that crone is the older version or the older fighter who she’s been in the game.
She might have been an amateur.
Then she then she was a professional broad and then she has evolved into um, a chrome and the crone is she’s, been in the game.
She’S seen it all.
She’S now come into her own as a woman, and she is ready to uh she’s mature, where she she can take on all opposition and she’s.
Just at this point entertaining to watch in her performance, um david chase, hey david david comes in saying.
Michaela meyer has real potential to be one of us, boxing’s biggest stars, all right david.
That’S a bold statement.
Can you elaborate on why you feel like michaela meyer has real potential to be one of uh us boxing’s biggest stars come come on back, let’s talk and anybody else who may agree with david come on.
Let’S, let’s talk about this michaela meyer’s names come comes up.
Um and yeah she’s quite popular.
She was a part of that first wave of young green greenbacks that went to the or was attempting to go to the olympics.
I think she got beat out by.
Is it queen, underwood um, snatched that dream from up under her? I think that was, i think, queen took it from her, so um i’ll give you my take on michaela meyer.
She does have the potential to be a star, but um.
Okay, david comes back mayor is currently ranked.
Sixth on dazn’s women’s top 10 pound for pound list needs a win against baumgardner, though all right, let me tell you something about these rankings.
Don’T come up on the show with no rankings from dazn no espn rankings, no ringside rankings, all of those ranking uh list or all of those panels are paid for.
Okay, then people’s michaela people’s them.
Her promoter pays those people to put her name on a pound for poundless.
Michaela ain’t fought nobody to be considered a pound for pound; okay.
Yes, she fought erica farias, erica, farias, okay, fights at 140 pounds, michaela meyer fights at what 132 featherweight okay michaela michaela and her people didn’t play too many games.
Okay until michaela steps up in her opposition in real matched opposition.
I i see her as a potential star, but right now, she’s just um she’s a paper tiger right now.
I think hamadou sh beat her in in in their match up and um, because her promoter was the promoter of the fight.
Hamadouz got robbed.
Okay, so we’re gon na call the thing a thing: she’s uh she she’s pleasing to the eye, but uh i i i need to see her perform.
She ain’t that cute for me to watch her, do this and make money that other other real fighters should be making she’s not giving other fighters opportunities.
Okay, hello, so david chase, tiara brown.
When she steps up and she fights tiara brown then win or lose.
I can say yes, michaela meyer has real potential, but she playing that paper tiger game.
And i don’t respect that.
And i don’t appreciate that.
She’S too talented to be a a fighter that hides behind those games and and that’s what she’s doing and that’s why she’s not getting the that! That’S really why she’s not getting the um spotlight in the ring that she should be getting.
Oh she’s she’s playing miss commentator and she’s doing everything outside the ring, but her ass need to be doing what she it what she signed up to do, which is fight and she needs to fight uh.
She she needs to fight um, high level opposition and she needs to.
She needs to step off of her um home ground and extend herself and and and show the world that she don’t need that protection that she’s a real fighter.
Um david uh david also follows up with saying co-main on clarissa shields and savannah marshall.
Okay um.
She didn’t earn that.
That just means her peoples paid for her spot.
Okay, she’s always been up under clarissa shields.
Now clarissa shiels is the superstar of women’s boxing people.
Don’T want to give her credit for that, but she’s the superstar of women’s boxing.
If clarissa shields ain’t, if her name ain’t being called in it, nobody is trying to see it nobody’s trying to look at it.
Okay and – and we need to call a thing – a thing right, so she clarissa shields versus savannah marshall.
It’S gon na, be i i’m it’s gon na be a very interesting um match.
I don’t see any of those girls knocking each other out, but i am very uh, i’m very curious to see the iq that will be um that will be performed.
What each lady’s boxing iq looks like at this point in their career um.
I think they should have given uh more contenders and opportunity before this match came together, so they should have thought each lady should have fought more killers.
Getting to this point, because when you fight the killers, you add value to yourself and you add value to the game: okay and they’re they’re fighting the same high-end opponents right the same women body bags in their slow ass body bags that can take a whole bunch Of punches and shots and they got people that put money behind them, so they can be high-end opponents, but there are real contenders, like raquel miller out here that are licking their chops waiting for an opportunity to perform and and and test abroad out here test.
One of these champion, broads out here, um chris peters, all right – you coming in stepping in hotter stepping in hotter this year.
Okay, so chris peters comes in and says 130 pounds is a stacked division.
I see it.
I see it.
130 pounds is coming in with some um good opposite with some good names.
Chris uh tell me tell me who about oh, you came in hyun me.
Choi would be a great test for mayor.
I know, but will she leave? Korea is she from? Is she she’s korean right? Listen, don’t get mad at me.
Y’All! I’M not! I i’m i’m not trying to say that all of those asian countries are relatives, but i just think that i think hyun mee choi is korean.
So this is it um disney faker versus faker.
Okay, me choi, is i, like i mean her style is straightforward: she got short arms, but she’s, big and she’s tough.
She could take a beating okay and she just really just wears her opposition down now a fighter like michaela meyer, michaela, amara, ain’t, knocking nobody out and michaela meyer ain’t hurting nobody, so her versus hyun mee choi would be uh.
It would be an interesting match.
Um.
I think that match the winner of that match would depend on whose porch they fighting on okay, because i don’t see any of those girls leaving her porch to fight uh.
Anybody michaela meyer doesn’t step outside of her neighborhood and he and me choi doesn’t do it right, and so they sit with.
They sit on these belts and they don’t want to fight the opposition that they should fight and there are contenders there are real contenders waiting for opportunities to fight them and they won’t fight those girls.
Okay, uh chris peters, comes in uh.
Oh david chase comes in terry harper in the mix as well yeah terry harper in the mix – and you know what i’m gon na i’m gon na say this when she got knocked out by bomb gardner.
This is what i saw, and this is what i know.
Okay, terry harper was struggling to make that weight.
That’S why bumgarner knocked her out.
Okay, bun gardner is strong, but if you saw and as a fighter, i can tell you this because the very same thing happened to me versus mccaskill.
Okay, i’m devastating at my right weight, but what happened was i dipped down? I did down for a challenge i dip down because uh i i was made to go down to that weight.
Okay and when you’re not in your weight class, you’re a different fighter and if you don’t have your corner and if you don’t have the proper trainers to prepare you to be the fighter that you need to be at that weight, you will.
I mean chances of you getting dropped or knocked out, i got dropped and then you know they waved it off.
I i was stood up and i was ready to fight, but i was in mccaskill’s backyard.
So, ah – and you know they didn’t – want that fight to go on because look at it.
It’S out here, it’s out here in the web.
I was given.
I i was given just like.
I was taken, okay um, so it wasn’t.
It wasn’t where there was a domination thing.
It was just you know.
As a fighter, i wasn’t in my.
I was not in my right way: um.
So yes, terry harper, terry harper, is a good one.
I would love to see terry harper and michaela meyer fight.
That would be a great matchup yeah um.
I would love to see.
Amanda serrano go go back to that weight, go back down to that weight and fight michaela meyer, terry harper, um choi right instead of hopping around and fighting the popular girl, which is what she’s trying to do she right serrano.
She fought some decent opposition padded.
Her record up in uh, puerto rico and stuff got the big fight against the darling, katie taylor and now what right? Because yeah was it um, jake, paul jake paul got her as the the one legitimate thing on his cards now, so he can be a boxer.
Be a boxer who doesn’t really fight real boxers and make lots of money he’s found he’s found a a glitch in the matrix.
I i hate it.
Why? Because um as a fighter i’ve i worked hard to make money.
I worked hard for the opportunity to get on certain platforms and you telling me because you used to play video games and – and you would used to be a disney boy that now you get to play like a boxer.
I’M not i’m not a real boxer, but i play one on tv.
You know you get to fight people who aren’t even boxers and be considered a boxer and make lots of money nah.
We need to raid the ring and make him fight a real boxer, a real fighter, someone who is in that uh pace, scale that he’s embarking on and see how well he does earning his money as a boxer, um chris peters comes in and confirms that.
I know what i’m talking about.
Choi is korean.
Thank you, chris thank you and uh.
David chase comes in yup.
Choy hasn’t really fought anybody noteworthy okay, uh! Don’T let me tell it, you see it right so, and these and and these fighters sit on the belt and the belt is what makes the money you see.
What i’m saying now, people the sanctioning bodies are blocked, are stopping stuff from happening.
So unless you are playing the ranking game, it’s going to be hard for you to make money other contrary to back.
In the times where i was coming up, where you can make money as a fighter as long as you can gain a following and fanfare they’re cutting that out right, they cutting people, they cutting our our water out here, broads water out here, right, they’re, making us Play that sanctioning body game and it’s not fair right as long as they can pay that bill every three to six months.
Oh! No! No! No! No! I don’t! I don’t want to defend here here.
Here’S a couple thousand dollars for me to keep the belt they’d, be like yeah, yeah i’ll, take your money right until that fighter can’t pay the sanctioning fee anymore, and then they say no.
You have to fight somebody because now, as the sanctioning body goes, they just want somebody to make money off that belt.
So if you can’t pay the bill to hold that belt, they’re gon na make you fight the uh somebody abroad.
That’S gon na pay the bill for that for them belts.
Hence why i i’m gon na have to um.
I have to tell somebody business.
Hence, why cecilia break us um, we sorry sorry, baby girl and this ain’t, this ain’t, gossip, okay, i’m just telling y’all how it is out here, like we women and we talk, we talk about each other.
We talk that girl.
You see she doing bad out here.
Um you suck yeah.
She was down there.
She was down there at crunk training trying to trying to get back in yes that we do that.
So cecilia break us now they calling her the bag.
Lady out here why she ain’t got no mo money.
She ain’t! She can’t bring in the bags.
No, she ain’t got the bag.
No more.
She, the bagley she’s, trying to find a home she’s homeless.
She don’t have no big name promoter behind her, no more she’s.
Not she doesn’t have that money, making potential that she used to.
But mccaskill did mccaskill was able to get some real money behind her and that’s why mccaskill has all the belts at uh welterweight.
I think it’s welterweight yes right, but the funny thing about that path is.
I stood on cecilia bracas’s porch, most of our career.
Okay.
I turned pro first and she turned pro after i stood on her porch and i said: listen, let’s fight, let’s fight, let’s fight, okay contract, let’s fight, let’s fight, she fought everybody else.
She fought everybody else.
Sugar didn’t get a goal.
Sugar didn’t get a go and the one undefined that beat her was the one that went through sugar.
You see what i’m saying, so i guess it was all in the stars.
I feel i felt i felt good that it was mccaskill that took them belts off of her right because she had to get through me, and i guess i legitimized mccaskill to say: okay, she could fight on that level.
That’S why they poured that money behind mccaskill and now mccaskill wild ass in their windmilling and doing all that stuff she’s undisputed.
And can nobody stop her from being undisputed because she has money behind her? She has her people paying all the bills for all those belts and she will keep those bills as long as she pays the bill.
She her promoter is eddie hearn, so she’s in a good cushy place until somebody can pay the bill or somebody can pay a bigger bill than what she’s paying right leave tips and all that good stuff, um david chase comes in and says, hearn tried to make A unification match between wbc champion alicia, baumgartner and wba champion me, choi yeah hearn tried to do that.
How’D it work out for him.
Korea don’t play that.
I don’t care.
If your name is eddie hearn, you could be santa claus.
You could be uh mary jesus christ, mother korea, ain’t gon na play that game they’ve been like that for years for decades, no one has paid attention to them, but they’ve been like that for decades, you’re not going to go and and and think you’re going to Make a match against an asian champion and off their home ground.
They they’re keeping it over there.
So, unless bumgarner fly her little caramel drop sugar, daddy complected self, over the korea, the fight choi that fight ain’t happening um, because troy wants to sit on the belt um chris peters comes in depends.
Devin haney has all the belts, but tank said he’s the a side.
Oh my god come on chris.
I i thought we was going to have a good conversation tonight.
Don’T don’t make me cringe now with regards to devin haney and tank and a side b side? Let me tell you something about tank tank doesn’t realize that he has reached the pinnacle of what he can be in boxing tank.
Ain’T got nothing more to give tank has not evolved otherwise other than that big punch that he does.
I think it’s an uppercut.
Okay tank does not perform in the ring.
Tank has no uh flare or pizzazz outside of the ring he’s not very marketable honey.
Your days are numbered now, devin haney has been groomed, since he was a young boy in the same camp right, so mayweather they’re, both from mayweather camp they’re, both from mayweather promotions, so uh floyd want to make money regardless and he’s going to make.
This super fight happen between haney and tank, but tank don’t realize that yeah he may need to hype.
This lad this this beef up between him and um haney, and he is not the a side he’s the elderly side, yeah um as a promoter.
What kind of sense, because right, let’s, let’s, let’s play the game of promoter, what kind of sense? What kind of longevity? What kind of long money am i gon na look to make making a 28 year old geriatric, because 28 is old in men in men’s boxing? Okay, what do i look like making him the a side where i got this young y’all come in with the numbers? I don’t know how old um devin haney is, but i think he’s some like 22 23.
Something like that.
I got more.
I got more years of making money in the game with devin haney than to keep tank um on on on the a side.
So guess what tank uh i’m gon na hide, this fight up between you and and young blood, and what you’re gon na do is you’re gon na try your best right, you’re gon na try your best because i’ma use you because tim witherspoon said this in in Uh one of the friday night panels that i was on, and i love that he said this after you get your run at being the man or the woman, then they use you up in the game.
You become an opponent right and your money or your value.
Then becomes what kind of opponent you are, and you become a high-end opponent until you get down the rung right to where you’re just fighting now to um you’re just fighting now, because you don’t want to end up parking cars at ruth chris yeah.
This this industry will chew you up and spit you out and it’s worse for the women um, the boxing knowledge comes in okay, okay, you come in high boxing knowledge.
You come in leila ali versus and wolf who you think would have won.
That was the first big women’s fight.
It never happened.
Some pretty face didn’t want to dance.
Women of that era were more reluctant to fight okay.
So let me tell you something about that era, and these two women laila ali cut a lot of women’s water out here.
Laila ali knew she was going to come in the game, use her daddy’s name and block anyone else from getting opportunities um.
If she had anything to do with it, there were a lot of contenders batter then and wolf that were lining up for an opportunity for laila ali to show the world.
I’M muhammad ali’s daughter, i’m the greatest too right and she had the potential.
I i’m gon na say it just i’m gon na say it chris peters, you you mentioned um.
Was it chris or um david tonight that mentioned um michaela meyer, um, hmm uh.
I think david david was talking about michaela meyer and her potential.
Well, laila ali is the same kind of thing potential as michaela meyer, okay, leila ali did not fight the con.
The real contenders in her weight um her legacy is orchestrated.
She was able to afford all the belts she fought.
Joe frazier’s daughter, joe frazier’s daughter, ain’t fight, nobody right, so they were daughters, fighting daughters, finding daughters right.
So it wasn’t.
The appeal wasn’t off of that.
These women were actual bad ass broads and they were contenders in there and it runs in the family because they daddy was bad too.
They just lucked out and got the lottery ticket.
Oh, my gosh dad had fun one night, and here i am with his last name, and now i can make some money from it.
Yes, i’m gon na say it like that now leila is a big girl and layla could fight to a certain degree, but she didn’t extend herself to be any uh to be a contender that us real women in the game could respect right.
Y’All out there are impressed by lailali because y’all don’t know much about women’s boxing, but we in women’s boxing, we know about layla and we not really excited about her right.
That’S why clarissa shiel said what i’ll dust that hoe and we were like, let the church say, amen because yeah right and then people coming out talking about.
Oh, she needs to be be respectful and pay homage respect what she went to the olympics.
Clarissa shields went to the olympics and got two gold medals, respect who laila need to put some damn respect on clarissa’s name, let the church say: okay, so um david charles comes in oh versus ann wolfe, so ann wolfe was a raw dog.
Okay.
She that was a raw broad in the game and she was trained old school, her trainer, he he’s passed on now, but he trained her.
Like i mean he put her through some grueling training, so she was hardwired who i thought would have won in that match-up, though, is layla if layla had enough heart to fight and wolf, because anne wolf had to fire and wolf would have fought layla right because And wolf had nothing to lose and wolf came up hard from the street.
She was homeless right, so she had that fire in her, but layla didn’t have the heart to extend herself for that fight.
I mean she’s, she talks and says it was anne.
That was scared, but layla.
If you really wanted the fight to happen, the fight would have happened.
Okay, you muhammad ali’s that daughter, okay, so i think laila ali would have won because laila ali is a bigger girl that that girl, big and she has some weight behind her.
Her punches so um and she knew how to box.
She had good training uncle roger trained her so um.
I i think layla i i would have bet on layla in that fight.
Her versus uh, jackie frazier, jackie frazier, actually won that damn fight y’all look at it again right, but people were excited that muhammad ali was there and he was like i’m sorry, i’m not i’m not doing it.
The internet is a horrible place and y’all not going sit here and watch me do that.
Y’All should have stopped me with ali okay, but he was on the sideline and we was happy just to see that he was present and he was watching his little baby.
Girl fighting and stuff right, but that that really had nothing to do with what was going on in the ring layla was getting her ass.
What by jackie frasier lied? Okay, um uh david chase said the same.
The same with garcia, i think so.
Um david chase comes back with garcia, i mean if the little boy get his mind right, garcia’s there talking about.
He got mental health issues who ain’t crazy in boxing who haven’t been through, who haven’t been depressed? We go in, we walk around with some stuff going on and you little boy garcia got the nerve to be like.
Oh mental health and oh i’m gon na sit out sit your ass out somewhere and let real and let the real men, uh fight and fight for stuff.
I hate when people bring up this little boy garcia, because you too soft he’s too soft.
He might get boxed or whatever, but he’s too soft.
We need to bring back the rugged fighters also into boxing.
Everybody has an amateur background, and this amateur background has become such a pageant.
It has turned into pageantry okay to where oh, he has this belt.
He was in this tournament – oh, oh and he’s backed by this group, and he roll with these people.
What about the people off the damn streets? Right? That’S been fighting underground right that have earned their keep that been that um had to have to survive.
Those people are champions too, and they used to make their way through the boxing world too and become champions right.
But now it’s become a soap opera, which is what i don’t like about the industry now and it’s it’s coming it it’s it’s pouring into the women’s boxing game as well.
Um the boxing knowledge comes in and says it’s more fearlessness in women’s boxing lately.
We appreciate that so much michaela meyer versus elisha, bumgardner, clarissa, shiels, vs, savannah marshall, katie taylor versus amanda serrano men ducking fades, so i’m gon na tell you this.
Okay, all of those people except for carissa shields, are ducking.
Bumgarner played that damn gaming.
You can see.
She got her ass got beat by by a reel look at her record.
She was playing that game and she thought she was cute out here until she pulled a real card and they beat her.
I think she might have.
I don’t know if she got stopped, but she got beat bad in the fight she lost and it was because she was playing that game.
Okay, so all of those women, michaela bumgarner um, savannah marshall, yeah i’ma, say that katie taylor amanda they playing this game.
They duck in, they are ducking, they are ducking.
Who have they fought? That’S the thing: that’s what make a killer a killer makes a killer.
Who have these girls fought? Who have? They fought? Name me, a killer that they have fought.
Now, i would say, clarissa shields thought one killer.
I know she fought was um shonoff.
What’S her name, her name was um.
Goodness come on.
My lovely assistant come on with the name.
We call her um.
I call her sho nuff and her name is that sugar is bad with names.
I’M sorry y’all, but this one was no joke.
She was the 140 pound.
She had all the belts, i think super welterweight.
She had all the bells.
I would have loved to see her versus jessica mccaskill, um goodness her name is at the tip of my tongue.
They call her the boxing grandmother because she was old that she was a crone at the time that she bus, um, goodness she’s about to get inducted into the hall of fame and her name escapes me: y’all come um, uh, chris peters comes in and says yup A loss is not the end of the world, you can lose and you can lose in your stock.
Still go up depends on your performance.
Let the check we have.
Are we having a party or are we having church? Yes, you moving my spirit chris.
I, like it, that’s what it’s about.
That’S what make you like the broad, the fighter that she is it’s not whether she wins or she lose is whether she gets in there and she she shows you how bad she is.
She shows you where she’s willing to go in a fight, that’s what that’s, what it is and that’s what bring build your stock as a female fighter right, it’s not about winning losing what my hardware is, what my belts are.
Listen.
I always say this.
I got several belts in my closet, okay and they just – and they i’m still better than some of these broads several belts, meaning that they ain’t sanctioned belts.
They belts and let me tell you something that them belts right.
There way heavier than them sanctioning bells, because sugar is a bad broad.
Sugar was a bad crone out here right, my name, my name.
It got respect in these streets.
Okay, i was and checked the record from amateurs.
I was one of very few fighters that could knock a out clean yeah, not pity.
Pat, we wouldn’t go into no decision.
I lived by the sword and i died by the sword in there right.
If i didn’t knock your ass out, you you’re gon na have to you’re gon na have to clip me.
You see what i’m saying um right, but now i get to talk about it and i get to share it.
Um the boxing knowledge comes in talking about.
Don’T be so mean, i’m not being mean, i’m not being a i’m not being mean, i’m calling the thing a thing right.
I love i.
I love all of my sisters out here in boxing.
I just got to call them on the okay um.
Sorry y’all got the plug in i, i got ta call them one day on day, boo jive, because it’s too hard it’s hot out here for it’s hard out here for a female boxer and for you to be out here faking it while there’s real ones out Here in line struggling trying to make a living trying to make a dollar doing this, it’s not fair! You, you you’re, not adding to the game right! You you’re, you’re, um, you’re.
The reason why women’s boxing ain’t, making no money and you’re the reason why we’re not building and evolving um the boxing knowledge comes in and says, amen.
That’S right, uh, chris peters comes in and says shields is versatile, highly decorated, champion she’s, more skilled and more talented than marshall shields out boxes and outwork marshall.
Don’T know what i am on me.
Remember, i’m an old lady, so you got ta.
Keep me up on these little shortened terms: okay, um, but i i agree.
I agree.
I don’t think marshall is the the fighter.
That’S going to make clarissa shields extend herself in the ring.
Um savannah marshall is has fought, clarissa shields is leftovers.
She hasn’t made her own legacy in fighting her own killers in her own skid row in her journey as a fighter, and that’s what i’m talking about that’s what sells in women’s boxing.
I don’t even have to use my images we having a good talk tonight.
Y’All.
Oh, in my opinion, thanks chris, so what i’m saying is um yeah you got to you can’t be like this is this is women’s boxing right now? Oh, you fought her i’ma fight, her too.
Oh, you fought her i’ma fight her too right.
It’S like wearing the same outfit too.
She wore that outfit to that last party eel.
That’S disgusting, like yeah! That’S a woman thing right! We don’t show up at the same party in the same outfit as me.
One of us got ta, go right, so um shields, um, savannah marshall’s claim to fame is that she beat shields in the amateurs.
This is the amateurs we talk about, amateurs that have um, you know the the judges are are the most besides professional um judges, the amateur judges are some of the slimiest mofos in the industry.
Okay, um, you might not.
I mean the points that they gave.
You marshall, that could have gone like this.
Is the amateurs we’re not even talking about that, but that’s your claim the fame, and then you fight clarissa shields as leftovers.
You don’t even you’re, not even bad enough to make your own skit roll and find your own killers to prove how bad you are right.
You fighting clarissa’s left over.
She already solved those problems.
Okay, she already solved those problems um.
What’S the thrill in watching you fight them, that’s what i had to say about um that match up it’s not a mega fight it it’s mega to where okay, you know, there’s history, there’s beef! I, like the talk between both of them, but, like i said i wish there would have been more in that climb where they now come together right, none of them fart.
I keep saying this raquel miller.
None of them fought her raquel miller was a great contender.
Even in the amateurs – and you telling me, marshall, you couldn’t fight her, like um who’s out there, tikka hemingway, tikka, hemingway, okay, look these broads up! Okay, and these are girls that they didn’t make.
Then they didn’t get the seat as the top national champion, but they were some bad greenbacks out there and now they’re broads, making a living professionally boxing and they have they’re evolving as well in the game and no one’s giving them a chance, no one’s giving them.
No shine under the spotlight because everybody’s so star struck over the popular girl.
Let’S not do this bring some names to the table.
It’S some bad broads out here.
Some killers make these girls accountable.
Make these champions accountable for their resume right.
A killer makes a killer.
You show me who you fought, who you fought is the caliber of fighter that you are um chris peter saying, lol at david chase shields will give marshall that work and when she does, people who pick marshall will be full of excuses and not give her an Ounce of credit for doing so, i said it you damn right, chris, and i said it when i first got invited on the um on on the talk and fight panel.
I see this as a trilogy.
I really do.
I see shields versus marshall as a trilogy.
The first one is not going to go.
It’S going to be so close that we’ll have to see it again and then, when we see it again right, then the decision may be a up beep, i’m sorry, maybe a screwed up decision and then uh.
They will have to do come back and do it one last time, one last time to get closure and these girls – they you know the mega match.
The money happens three times, okay and then after that, then what clarissa shields is engaged.
I see her gon na.
I just i see her retiring and um becoming some something else in the game.
I see her if no one else, if they don’t allow any of these aksana castillo, who has to go to heavyweight now because they blocked her oksana castillo out of i think, she’s out of dominican republic got used up as an opponent through this game and she Was she is a hell of a fighter? She’S a she’s, a monster? Okay, but you know they do that they do that to the contenders.
They do that to the real fighters and that’s why women’s boxing won’t make any money and don’t make any money because everybody you are as good as your weakest link and if, if we’re not even hyping up our weekly, our weak links our opponents, our journey women, If, if we’re not giving them any credit, how are the champions gon na bring money to the game? Right ain’t? No broad out here, special enough for me to care about who she fights.
I don’t care i’ve, seen better fights, um uh on black friday in the walmart parking lot than some of these championship fights some of these ticket selling fights yeah.
So i mean we we have to we.
We have to start we.
We have to start talking about this.
We have to call a thing a thing.
We have to raise the expectations for these broads out here for these so-called potential.
These champions, these disney uh girls, that you know look like the girl’s name, but at the end of the day you got to fight.
You got to be a fighter.
That’S why we came in this right because we came in here to fight.
We came in here to be the baddest um david chase says it’s a great fight for women’s boxing.
It could go either way.
Nah it ain’t gon na go either way.
Clarissa has too high of an iq for marshall to get over on her and marshall has not fought anyone in the game to extend herself to the level of where she’s gon na be a problem for clarissa shields.
She doesn’t have the power to hurt clarissa shields.
I just don’t see where uh savannah um uh david chase comes in uh savannah is heavy-handed for c-level opposition she’s, heavy-handed savannah marshall versus christina hammer.
How do you think that fight would go christina? Hammer is a heavyweight by nature and clarissa shiels drug that drug that broad from post to post in the ring.
How do you think savannah marshall would do against christina hammer and why didn’t savannah marshall fight christina hammer since she loved um clarissa’s leftovers? That would have been a great test that would have been a great sentiment as to um what caliber she is as a contender for clarissa, because she’s a contender, she’s she’s, not on the same level as clarissa she’s.
A contender like everyone else that clarissa shields has fought.
Let’S call this thing.
A thing um, [, Music, ], enrique luna, okay, enrique coming in chiming in boxing promoters, know the business side, but women’s boxing can sell if there’s, if they’re, on top of the boxing game, women’s boxing been selling, i’m just going to make that clear.
Women’S boxing’s been selling um, you don’t know the money.
That’S been made, that’s being made underground with women right.
That’S that underground money, these men now or these promoters that are uh, filtering the game and allowing some of us to come in and allowing and and dictating how and who makes money is one thing: okay, but women’s boxing was always selling there’s always there has always Been money in our game right, it just all depends on where you’re trying to get the money from it’s the difference between a drug dealer and a corporate man right, there’s a difference um.
What was it al capone was a mobster, successful, mobster businessman, and then we have jimmy carter.
It’S the same right just depends on what end of the spectrum you sit at.
That’S what i got to say about that enrique.
But thank you.
Thank you for making that point, but i want you to see that perspective there.
Okay, so um i mean i didn’t.
I had a my lovely assistant had a whole slideshow and i had a whole thing to talk about, but we’ll wait.
You know we want to save that till um another time, because we had such a great conversation tonight.
It was a spirited conversation.
I love, i love the input of all the uh misfits.
I call y’all misfits because y’all are chiming into a woman behaving badly online and talking about other women behaving badly and um.
You know you, you have to be kind of you.
You can’t be walking the straight line.
You got to be a misfit to show up for for something like this, and i appreciate it you guys um.
I i appreciate everyone’s uh take on how these fights are going to go and what they see, because that’s that’s really showing me that their the knowledge, the depth of knowledge that is is growing for women’s boxing is, is real.
Y’All are real.
What you have to say is real, and you all know what you’re talking about.
I love it it.
It excites me to have these kind of conversations, because it really it’s it’s.
Sometimes these conversations are few and far in between and let me tell you it is so sexy to be talking.
This talk right.
Sorry i i tend to behave badly and i tend to walk the line, but it you know um, that’s just a part of me and and that’s just that’s just sugar.
Okay.
So i’m going to call it a night.
You guys uh, unless we have anything else to say unless there anybody else that might want to chime.
In with any questions, you don’t have to there’s no such thing as a stupid question.
There’S no such thing as a stupid comment: right, um we’re having a conversation and we’re getting to know each other and and and really that’s what it’s all about.
Um, the boxing knowledge comes in.
We love you sister.
You stay real, oh my gosh.
Thank you call me sugar um.
Thank you.
David david chase gave me the gloves, saying you know that that’s right there is that a pound.
I see that as a pound, so i’m gon na give it back that pound.
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