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EPISODE: Episode 2
As always Natalie brings the fire with her opinions of the state of boxing and the women who are fighting to make it what it should be.
The SUGAR Show is a series focused on Women’s Boxing. Natalie SUGAR Brown visits all aspects of Women’s Championship Boxing involving both up-and-coming and seasoned amateur and professional female boxers, along with studio segments covering headlines and developments across the sport. The program primarily broadcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:30 pm eastern time, weekly.
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Transcribed:
[, Music, ], hey y’all, it’s your sugar here and y’all know what time it is: 7 30 on a wednesday night or wednesday evening, and we all in together now meeting up to talk about women’s boxing on the sugar show.
Thank you guys for joining.
Whoever is here tonight um, and i i do expect uh more people, more more bodies, more places and more faces in the place hey mike mike, is joining in uh.
The party’s gon na start soon the party’s getting started.
It has started me and mike you know, that’s a good time.
You know that’s a vibe, so yes um, it’s 7 30.
It’S the sugar show and we’re going to talk to talk.
Now.
I don’t know how long this talk is going to be tonight, but i think uh i mean tonight’s subject: fly by night: fame, um, it’s a pun on the words um before i get into that.
Let me re-introduce myself to those who are new to the the show, because i know i got my true always stopping in.
I am natalie sugar brown.
I am and have been uh an elite female pugilist um in the boxing game in women’s boxing and um.
This is my platform.
This is my show uh, giving back the authentic stories the authentic breakdown of what it is in the world of women’s boxing.
So uh, my name is sugar, but ain’t.
No sugar coating here, like um my my um, my buddy eddie um, would say to me and and he’s he’ll definitely be on the show one day.
But yes, here we are, we talking about fly by night fame and the fly by night fame, meaning the news here in women’s boxing.
The hot news is not these fights coming up, but some hot news coming about uh senecia, estrada um she’s a baddie out here.
She is on sugar’s pound for pound uh, best female batty out here list and the the t.
Is she just recently parted ways with her promoter golden boy? Now, um do my do i have do.
I have uh some images on my uh uh okay, so my lovely assistant has prepared some some um eye, candy some visuals here and uh you guys listening y’all, always know.
I try my best to describe the baddie describe the lady here.
So um we have senesia estrada and my my guys with the numbers is coming so um can my guys with the numbers give me the breakdown.
Can y’all give me the numbers on this baddie here on the screen? She is on my pound for pound list, because, yes, this broad can fight.
Okay, she can bang, she can box she’s uh.
She got she got that tenacity.
She got that sauce in there now.
Um she’s she she ain’t been 100 like she.
She had a fight that wasn’t 100 that i did talk about, but we’re not going.
I mean that is a blemish on her record, even though i think she’s like 22-0 right now, um.
She has a a blemish on her record and i call it a blemish because it was a horrible mismatch where she came out and she knocked a girl, uh uh and i’m not gon na call this this uh fighter a girl but um.
She knocked uh another fighter out.
Y’All, give me her name uh, i yes, so she’s 22.
0 vinnie vinnie is in the in the building and vinnie’s on the show on the platform.
So me mike and vinnie we having a party now vinnie came times in which she’s 22-0, with nine ko’s one of those kos, is a horrible mismatch um and come on.
My guys uh find me that name because y’all know sugar is bad with names, but i know the tea and i know what i know what happened now: uh she uh she knocked out: uh maria uh michio um in seven seconds, uh.
No, not maria miko uh miranda atkins sorry, so she knocked out miranda atkins in seven seconds and thought her ass was going to be some kind of record holder for doing that.
Uh that garbage for knocking out this.
This i’m not going diss miranda, but she knows she did she.
She realized the hard way what she signed up for she knew she was in no way prepared or ready, or that gal to be stepping through them ropes with a killer like senecia estrada.
So mike chimes in complete mismatch who it if you was to look up mismatch in the dictionary.
This would be a definite um example of that.
So yes, that was a mismatch.
They was trying to uh, do something and prove something uh with with making this seven.
Second, knockout a thing, but it ain’t no thing it.
It was it.
It is a blemish on sinisia’s record and i will and i’ma always call you for it girl.
I listen.
I think you, i think, you’re bad.
I think you’re tough.
I think you’re super bad right.
I miss too bad and you you super bad, but let me tell you something that what you did wasn’t bad.
What was was bad on a completely next level that was some bull jive now um michael comes in arguably saying that uh miranda came in, miradka came miranda came in at 5-0, but what was sinisia’s record coming in um and mike also says like who made that Match you already know who the stalkers are, who the who the um uh scumbags are, which are these matchmakers that are in some of these broads teams, right as a matchmaker you’re supposed to match the fighter with fighters who are comparable, skill wise and will will test Your fighter enough for them to grow legitimately and for them to gain good experience in extending themselves right, so these matches will all should and will always be a test of you know showing everybody showing the world that yes, this fighter, is that broad, yes, she’s bad Um and and not bad in a in a uh way, bad in a in a legitimate way right, because i always say this – and i get this – i got this from some greats that have trained me right check day, record johnny can’t jerome coffee uh, like i.
I don’t even i can’t even name i’m all, but those two used to say this for sure you’re only as good as your opposition, so these girls or these broads out here, that’s pant, padding up they record with tomato cans and all of that stuff.
At the end of the day, your record is going to show that all you fight is tomato cans.
So guess guess what you a tomato.
Can too you got.
Ta have some killers on your record.
You got ta fight some names.
You got ta share the spotlight.
You you, you got ta bring another broad up with you, okay, in this game, these these these uh these fighters, these female fighters um, are caught up in that old school uh dinosaur mentality that christy, martin and them had where i must be the queen, and i Must be the only female boxer in the world? That’S not how you make money, that’s not how we bring money to the industry right! You got to have several baddies for longevity.
You got to have somebody to fight.
You got to have somebody that people want to see you fight right.
It’S not about.
Is it’s not about you with your little raggedy drawers up there after a while, we get tired when we get tired of seeing y’all yeah, you ain’t that they all ain’t, that hot and a lot of y’all ain’t that cute right.
So we want to see y’all fight, legit people, because in winning and in losing in women’s boxing, it’s not about it’s really not about the record, because we got some baddies out here with some ugly records, but they can fight and they the record is ugly because They have been robbed.
They have been done in by the industry that them shenanigans are real in women’s boxing, because no one looks no one checks our receipts right.
We got to check each other’s receipts.
Our fans, you guys out here that chime in that are interested.
I want y’all to start checking receipts check, sugar’s receipts i i may not have had i mean i’m i’m going to admit i a lot of my stuff is underground.
A lot of legitimacy on my name is: is from underground, because and getting a sanctioned fight from these broads that were in place.
You know they weren’t trying to give sugar that shot.
They weren’t trying to share the spotlight.
They weren’t trying to um they they weren’t, trying to share the wealth with with another baddie right.
So you know we we just a lot of us, stayed underground so check.
My record, though i always gave another.
I always gave another baddie a chance and i always stepped up okay and that’s why i can talk the way.
I talk and that’s why i say what i say and that’s why i said what i said: oh mike, chimes in for real.
We ain’t here to play boxing, whoever ever thought boxing was for play right mike.
That’S something that that’s something that um it ain’t even uh to be considered boxing.
You don’t play somebody trying to take your head off somebody’s, been training and running for months, punching a bag, pretending that that bag is you for rounds minutes hours months.
You think that’s a play thing! You think that’s for play anyway, we’re talking about shinicia estrada.
So we talked about your blemish and i’m always had to check you on that girl, but girl girl, what happened between you and oscar and them and and uh golden boy and them you you one of the baddest broads in the world right now you got that Green belt and – and i think the ibf on your shoulder girl – you did you the girl right now you’re abroad, right now at your weight.
I believe she, she rallies between minimum weight and super fly weight so, like she’s got some death depth range there.
Okay, so um minimum weight, i believe, is something like a hundred pounds right on up to superfly weight, which is, i think, it’s something like 112 pounds um my my guys, my my number guys um, i’m gon na need y’all to come in and confirm some of These some of these um facts right um, so that this baddie is like she’s hot right now.
She just got dropped by her promoter.
Okay, so um the host coming in um.
She fought between 100 and 108 pounds.
What how much? How many pounds were? What was the weight um of her and marla esparza when they fought, because that was a great fight to i’ll call i’ll call marla batty she blown up, but she a baddie um, so marla, esparza and sinisia estrada fought at 111 pounds, which is a bit over Which is up there, i think that’s super fly weight.
I think i mean, i think, that’s them numbers right there, so she’s going up.
But let me tell you the science about boxing, especially women’s boxing.
There are weight classes and we got weight, classes that range from pin weight or, i think, atom weight which is like 90, something pounds right on up to 200 plus pounds super heavy weight, but in that range there are weight classes that are more popular, that have More and deeper depth of competition than others right so i’ve.
I’Ve said this in previous shows, where some fighters run to weaker divisions, weaker divisions, meaning the division may not have uh uh strong opposition in that division.
So they go in that division, they run and they go there and they collect all the belts and they say i am champion, i’m the champion of this weight class but girl, but girl come on come on now you ain’t fighting ain’t.
Nobody, ain’t, no monsters! In that division, ain’t, no baddies in that division, not to disrespect any of my ladies in boxing, but we got ta call the thing a thing now: okay, some of these weight divisions are like some.
Some waters got some more more sharks than others.
Okay, so in this the in these, the in this range of division, now um lovely assistant, can you change? Can you change and let’s see what with the other image? Well throw me another? Oh there he go there.
He go oscar de la hoya.
So that’s the face of golden boy.
He is a former olympic gold medalist former professional world, champion oscar de la hoya.
So he knows i mean he’s going turn promoter now.
So he knows the game he’s walked the path like literally okay, so he’s up here with the the the other name promoters who were not uh fighters.
So he has a bit more skin in the game.
I would say than some of the like: like a eddie hearn right, eddie hearn is um a guy that um he’s a businessman who has become a boxing promoter, so i mean there and and guess what there’s going to be many more there’s going to be of Women fighters that become promoters and probably are i mean christy martin – is doing that um already uh michael chimes in that’s a nice picture of sniffeny sniffany.
What is that you got to tell me mike? You got to tell me what uh sniffingy uh means right because, like i i know oscar been caught.
I know oscar been caught in some pickles out here, like i, i know we’ve caught him in in in fishnets and all that good stuff.
I know we’ve caught him doing some, some some really um.
You know um funny stuff out here and i ain’t gon na judge the man right because guess what um, what we do, what we do when we not on stage and what we do outside the room.
What we do behind closed doors is what we do: okay, uh sugar, zip them sticker laces those boots up past her knees, and you know sometimes it’s a fun time right, so i’m not going to judge.
But when you get caught out there, you got to become accountable for what you caught, what you caught doing: okay, so oscar now uh, oscar de la hoya is the face of golden boy, um promotions and he dropped the.
He dropped.
The the baddie um shinizia, uh and they’re saying that it’s due to iris irr reconcilable differences.
So i mean that could be a number of things right, but at the end of the day, okay syniesia then got kicked out.
She ain’t got no home, no more.
She doesn’t have a promoter, so my guy’s in the background um.
Can you look up now? I should have i mean i know the number, but i want y’all to look it up for that, let’s make it fun.
Let’S make the party fun.
Tell me what synesia estrada’s value is net worth is right.
Now somebody find me that number okay, so she’s kicked out, and everybody is talking about.
Oh she’s she’s, a hot commodity.
This is what’s going.
This is what going back to what i said previously about weight, divisions and who’s hot and where the sharks are and all of that stuff, sinisia’s weight division was is, is hot, but it ain’t global, hot sinisia’s weight division is hot in uh, the the southern american Region, uh, continental uh, america’s region, like mexico, um, the the latin american uh um countries, um the asian countries like uh, thailand and, and i believe, japan and uh china, those those countries that most of the women that are walking around are tinier.
Okay and i’m gon na say that okay, so uh vinnie, vinnie bingo, you you, you came in first with it, you came in oh michael said it and vinnie came in at the same time, uh they she’s worth up to 1.
5 million dollars.
Synesia estrada! That’S her net worth.
Okay, so now uh she got kicked out uh from her promotion.
Stable and um [ Music ] she’s got to make a decision now everybody’s saying that she’s a hot commodity and anybody would pick her up and, like you know, get it get her while she’s she’s a free agent nope.
This is, this is really concerning um for synesia and her team, and – and i would say for me because i think she was she – she was giving us a great run under um, well yeah, under the the guise of uh de la golden boy promotions, putting her On such a grand platform, because they you know, they promote some huge cards and they they’ve got some big name, guys um, who who’s that who’s who’s, the um who’s the nowadays uh pretty boy golden boy.
What’S his name is his last name garcia or something he’s the one with the mental health issues, the poor baby, he he he can fight, but he he he um.
He said he stepped out ryan, garcia, right, poor babies, but but sometimes he he got mental health issues and he got it cry me: a river ryan, garcia, crimea, a mofo river, because guess what you ain’t got yeah you got problems and and guess what i respect Your problems, but you in a lot better position that many of us out here right and you are on a seat or you yeah, you’re, sitting on a seat or standing on a spot.
That don’t know don’t nobody want to hear that you got uh mental health issues, you’re supposed to be a fighter you’re supposed to be a champion.
Just like timmy said our our guy tim witherspoon said: there’s no excuses.
You got to be ready at all times.
There’S no excuse you and i think, anthony joshua y’all trying to come in with that soft stuff.
No, you fight, even when you’re going through, because guess what that’s? What champions do? That’S what champions do now, i’m not saying that we win, we don’t always win, but we fight and we don’t cry about mental health issues because we stand in on that square.
We get help and we get support.
But we don’t cry about that.
Now.
Michael orr comes in and says marla marlene esparza net worth list asks four hundred thousand dollars, which is a more realistic number.
That’S a more realistic number for a lot of these broads out here.
There’S no female million dollar fighter.
They lie to y’all.
It’S a lie.
The only one that may be able to claim million-dollar status is clarissa shields, because when you got two gold medals in your pocket, you are you have done.
You’Ve done a lot more than some men who are making millions of dollars in boxing.
So she could claim that and she could try to go and get that right if she’s marketed correctly and like i said if she has opposition that make people interested enough to make her that million dollar fighter.
But there’s not enough women out here female fighters that are interesting enough to be million dollar female fighters.
Do y’all talk about katie taylor, no um, the the it’s.
It’S now getting boring to watch a track.
Star um attract star boxer, uh amanda serrano.
She was not.
I’M sorry she was not interesting enough to get another million dollar spotlight, even though her and jake paul jake, paul yeah, jake paul is fighting uh, rotman’s son rahman’s son soon, like he’s not even fighting like real legitimate ranked fighters right.
So that’s a total different thing.
Like that is starting to become sideshow, circus, sideshow, um, entertainment levels.
Now it’s that’s not real boxing uh michael orr comes in um bun excuses.
We only embrace solutions, that’s right! Bundy excuses come on.
We got ta, get rid of that right when mana real bad man.
We don’t have excuses i might bring in my little jamaican this out.
I like that nike um mike also comes in i’m sure each gold medal is worth at least a million dollars in endorsements.
Now we got ta say we.
We got to call a thing of saying too mike um.
A gold medal should have gotten her on the wheaties, but on a wheaties bottle, i mean sorry on a wheaties box and you all know what wheaties mean right, because even um, what’s his name jenner, was on a wheaties box when, when you know when he was A he now he’s a she, but i mean that’s a total different thing, but he like the his his name’s strong.
We still got to put that respect on jenner’s name because he was on a witty’s cereal box that i would that’s how old i am.
I remember that all the great athletes made it onto a wedi cereal box right um, michael orr, comes in i’m gon na have to start writing in patois shoot.
Yes, sir.
Listen, we we bilingual here and if we not gon na, be bilingual, we want to try the lingual [ Laughter, ] right, listen, i some of the audience might be a little jamaican right and i want.
I want us to be able to dialogue on demda levels too.
Okay, so let’s do it.
Let’S do it mike mike got a little uh jimmy uh.
He he mike’s canadian and he got a little jamaican in him too.
I like he likes.
You got a little spice and seasoning um, but back to the subject.
Okay, so synesia got dropped.
Okay and we’re talking about that we’re talking about how that, yes, she is not uh like uh dude.
Does my um lovely assistant have any other have another image, then why i might be able to elaborate this okay, so i um, hey omar, comes in omar, comes in wheaties box equals that guy you d, you damn skippy right! That wheaties box makes you that guy or that gal legit, so i mean like mike said you know, each gold medal should be worth at least a million dollars, but i mean it’s still on that level.
Um mike muhammad ali said this.
When he came back, i think he came back from rome.
He was the olympic gold medalist and couldn’t even sit properly in uh um these in in a in a uh shop in in a um ice cream shop right.
He still came back to face segregation.
He still came back to to face a lot of the bull crap, so clarissa shields, even though she’s two-time, gold, medalist she’s, still facing a lot of crap and bull crap, she’s still uh facing a lot of sexism, racism, uh um a lot of these things that Plague our industry, okay, she she’s tried to speak.
She’S tried speaking up about it several times, but i, i think now she’s just tired right.
She she realizes that the gwat.
In order for you to to take on that fight, you got got ta have people on your team and enough people liking.
You you got ta, have your fellow female fighters loving and liking you to support you on on that movement and she and she that she, she ain’t, got too many fans in her peers to to carry on that um that movement so um as much truth as She’S spitting she’s not getting the support, she needs to voice uh.
These issues that many of us face and that are very real in the industry of boxing, especially women’s boxing so synesia estrada, is in this image here, holding the wbc belt that green belt and marketing wise legitimacy wise like on a whole.
I got ta say this.
Green belt means a lot everybody’s after the green belt.
If you have that green belt, you’re that you’re, that guy or you’re that gal okay, um so um michael orr, is laughing at omar johnson.
Saying wheaties box equals that guy um, so yeah um she she’s sporting, her.
You know she’s sporting, that hardware which she she legitimately deserves, like she’s, the she is the baddie in in.
In that, i would say that division ranging from 108 pounds all the way i mean from 100 pounds all the way up to 111 12 pounds.
Okay, lovely assistant – is there any other um? Is there any other images? So you know this was i mentioned this before, because this was uh.
The image now for my people, listening in is the poster um of the fight that was promoted by golden boy and i’ma break this poster down to y’all between marlene marlin, esparza and senecia.
Estrada now i think marlon esparza is an olympic bronze medalist, if i’m um to if i’m, if i’m not to be mistaken, okay, so a bronze medalist is still worth a lot, but yet her value is only four hundred thousand dollars, her net worth and shinicia.
Somehow i just don’t know how, but somehow synesia estrada is worth one point: what five million don’t make? No sense that don’t make no sense right! I got ta, i got ta quote my nba young boy.
Don’T make no sense all right, um what you call it.
So this poster here is golden boy’s promotion of he owns, or he promotes both of these gals both of these ladies, both of these baddies.
So he wins regardless right, they’re, both selling tickets.
They both have fans.
They both have people who are interested in this matchup.
Okay, so this happened, i believe, sometime last year, uh, my number guys come in come on confirm my receipts come on now we a team okay, so it this.
I think this happened sometime in november of last year and it was a great fight where i i believe, uh marlin, uh marlon esparza got stopped by synesia estrada in the ninth round.
Okay, i think yeah.
She got stopped um because she she had just got.
She was getting beat up so badly and she started.
She was bleeding badly, so um after this fight there hadn’t been because nicola adams is is not and she’s retired.
Due to injury, i think she had um her her.
She tore her retina, so she um nicola adams would have been that gal in this weight division um.
She she was um y’all come on now you get come with the receipts.
Nicola adams was promoted by one of the older school um promoters that had that.
You know had time in the game and she did not enjoy being his fighter at all.
At all, um come on tony’s review.
Tony.
You came on time tonight.
Thank you.
So tony’s reviews is coming in uh.
Not he says.
Uh brent comes in with the facts.
Knockouts estrada has stopped seven out of her ten last opponents shields, while being a good boxer, isn’t fan friendly boxing popularity doesn’t always go hand in hand with boxing abilities, you’re, absolutely right right, which is what i i’ve said before about women’s boxing in women’s boxing.
It’S really not about this skill and it’s not about uh their boxing ability, it’s about.
If you like the gal or not, do you like her or don’t you like her really and then styles make fights so a gal can come in with an ugly style.
Okay, many gals out there got ugly sloppy styles, but they yet they win and they win because maybe they win because of their promoters.
You know, and maybe they win because you know they’re fighting low grade opposition, but the promoters are banking on the fact that people like to see these gals get in the ring and behave badly.
But what i want or what i, what i think, what the fans want is um.
We want these women who are you know who who are liked and who are names to step up and fight other women with great style and abilities too.
We want to see them, extend themselves and be great, and you know and and evolve right, so you know you can’t go in there with tomato cans, women that you know you go and beat from post to post, go in there with a killer and show the World and show her that, yes, you a killer, but guess what i’m a better killer, i’m a bigger killer right, i’m a bigger problem right, my um, you know, but i i i am i i am a wu, a child of the wu-tang clan right and my One of my favorite, but my favorite, guys out of the woo tang, is old, dirty old, dirty, bastard and old, dirty used to say a problem got a problem till it solved right.
So i’m a problem.
You think you’re a problem, i’m a problem too.
So if you got a problem, a problem got a problem: y’all got to figure that out that’s crazy talk but yeah i used to hit the bag that thing used to that right.
There used to get me hype when he said when he used to say that a problem got a problem till it solved right.
So we both problems in here, but there’s going to be one solution to this pro to a problem and we’re going to see who got the solution to the problem.
So tony’s reviews comes in and says: uh women boxers need three minute 12 round fights.
There isn’t enough time on the clock for most female fighters to truly shine.
I’M gon na say this tony there isn’t.
We have not pulled enough talent a lot of these women.
Don’T know how to fight three-minute rounds so a lot um and and and women’s boxing right now has been cultivated for two minute rounds.
You would not katie.
Taylor would not be a pound for pound great fighter right now.
If she had to fight three minute rounds.
If she had to go 12 rounds at three minutes each round right, because you will have to stand and fight, there’s no pity pads right.
So a lot of these women with the ugly records would then that cream would rise to the top.
The ufc is five minute rounds.
Uh tony’s reviews comes in the usc is five minute rounds.
There was zero talent in mma for females.
However, the five minutes allows them to get the kos like the men, i’m going to say this.
Okay, first off you can’t compare ufc female fighters to female boxers.
That’S apples and oranges, okay, um mma guys could barely to me, and i said it and i’m saying they could barely fight okay, they’re going to roll around and wrestle and they’re going.
You know they’re going to put you but put your head down here in my crotch and all of that stuff right for five minutes.
Okay, we we can make love for five minutes, but to stand in a boxing ring right and go blow for blow with somebody at three minutes.
Right is a different game.
Ufc fighters can’t even do that.
Ufc fighters cannot stand up and fight each other for five minutes right.
I hate when people compare us because there’s no comparison right.
Boxing has been around for centuries right and ufc in its form or whatever has been around in in different ways.
But there’s a there’s.
You got ta put more respect on our names, then um fighters go in that boxers go in that octagon and and and play that game where you know you can roll around and click, but not not many mma people step into the square with us and you Got to think about why, right, because boxing isn’t just going in there and hitting and holding and right, there is a true method to that madness.
There’S a true thought process to how you’re going to dismantle the person in front of you now tony’s reviews comes in.
It’S not about comparing boxing to mma fighters.
It’S about time.
The females are given the same amount of time, so they have like.
So they have.
No.
The females are given the same amount of time, so they have like type performances.
Women boxers do not get the same amount of time.
Once again, tony i’m going to tell you this.
The talent pool between women, mma fighters and male mma fighters are comparable.
Female mma fighters are just as talented as male mma fighters.
The talent pool now of female boxers compared to mailboxers is a significant difference.
There’S not enough females out here that can perform at the level of the males to warrant the same time since it’s about time.
Okay, i hear what you’re saying, okay and listen.
I am a three-mon, i was, and am a three-minute fighter, so is layla mccarter so is sinisia.
Estrada so is, i can say, um clarissa shields, but who are they gon na fight at the three minutes? There’S not enough.
There is not enough comparable or interesting talent for these women to come together and generate the same amount of interest and money for it to make sense.
That’S what i’m saying right, i totally agree.
Women need to start fighting three-minute rounds.
Women were, i came up, fighting three-minute rounds as an amateur and it changed.
I don’t know why it changed right.
It should not.
It shouldn’t have changed since then right, because we would have been in a total different place.
Now, if women had continued uh fighting three-minute rounds, but we were cultivated women, the women’s boxing game, women didn’t fight for that right.
Women, women allowed that change right.
So now we’re in the position where these women, these these champions out here all they got to do, is go out there and for a minute and survive for another minute, and then they get to go back to the corner and recover for another minute right: junior Amateur boxers do that right, not even like the the males are the.
I don’t think.
I think the males are fine, two minute rounds, not too in amateur boxing, but they know they’ve got to step up once they become pro there’s.
No stepping up when a female turns pro she’s, still fighting the damn two minutes, and so she’s, not extending herself talent, wise right and the game is not.
She, like you, said tony uh they’re not given enough time to for the talent to now rise to the level as the men we still gain choke hold out here i don’t see when it’ll, i don’t see when it’ll ever change because of this there’s not enough Women interesting enough for the fans to want to see them fight three minutes, uh leila mccarter.
She stepped out of the she.
She she’s fought three-minute rounds in agreeance with some of her other opponents, and – and i commend her on that – i think uh tony.
I like what you’re saying – and i think we should challenge these women out here – right – that, if you’re going to send a contract to your opponent, send the contract to agree on three minute rounds right.
So, yes, i will fight you, but we’re gon na fight three minute rounds and we’re gon na fight.
I don’t think women are allowed to fight past ten rounds, but let’s fight ten rounds at three minutes, each and you’ll see which broads out here got the heart to do it and which broads out here got their hearts.
Pumping that cherry kool-aid right, because that’s really stepping up – i like that – you mentioned that tony right, it’s all in the contract, though it’s all about the contract and the agreements, it’s easy for women to fight three minute rounds.
All we got to do is agree.
All we got to do is agree on it right if abroad sends me a contract, and it says eight three minute rounds sign on the dotted line.
It’S a contract right, so it’s a game that the promoters and the fighters play.
If we want to fight three-minute rounds, we can it’s not illegal for women to fight or box three-minute rounds, all right so moving on lovely assistant.
Do you have another image thanks tony for china, chiming in and and i like that you brought up that that topic so uh.
The images here, synesia estrada uh, look like she’s about to put her hands like in they they’re in each other’s faces.
At that press conference, so people were interested in sinisia estrada versus um marla esparza, because there was background b from the amateurs you know, and it was like a school year.
It was like a school thing.
You know two girls, you know two girls, don’t like each other and you know they’re going to scrap in the play at the playground they’re going to scrap at the parking lot.
You know uh, that’s what it was.
That was the air of this.
This fight and uh golden boy made some good money from this matchup.
But after that no one was interested ain’t.
Nobody interested all right, marla ain’t, nobody, marley ain’t, busting, the grape.
She ain’t, knocking nobody out her her ko percentage is something like what i think.
Eight percent or something like that: y’all come with the numbers, she ain’t busting, the grape and she ain’t a track star.
She ain’t.
She ain’t running.
She ain’t doing it like katie taylor, so you know we lost interest and momentum there.
That’S why you know her value.
They put her value down that four hundred thousand sydnesia estrada, though she can fight she’s smart.
She can set things up.
She can make people look real, mediocre and remedial in that ring, because her boxing iq is up there, but guess what? Unless she brings or goes down to mexico and fight some of them monsters down there or bring some of them monsters up here and promote them.
And share the the square we’re not going to be interested in seeing synesia as try to fight anybody right.
We like the girl, but who is she gon na fight? There’S nobody else interesting enough for us to watch her fight that we know of right now.
There’S a fighter out there, um lovely assistant um.
Is there another image that you can share? There’S another fighter out there um called did this? Is the girl and she’s she’s a cutie cute girl um? She looks in like she’s in great shape, great body.
She looked like a fighter like a female fighter and she operates like one too.
Her name is uh yocasta, um, val vale, right v-a-l-l-e, so uh jacosta is calling out shinicia and marla right she’s out of nicaragua, she’s from nicaragua, she’s fighting out of costa rica, and let me tell you something: y’all sleeping on costa rica, costa rica got some baddies Over there, oksana castillo is a baddie she fights at heavyweight now, but she used to fight at super middleweight.
She would have gave carissa problems.
I said it, i hope she lose weight and come back down.
She got robbed so much she got robbed by and, and she like she got, she got robbed of.
They used her as an opponent and she got robbed of so many opportunities and decisions that i think she just lost her fire.
And so now you know um.
She she’s rallying at heavyweight, but aksana castillo, was somebody that um would have been interesting for um clarissa shields to fight there’s another female out here, um that she she’s no longer fight.
She was out of france.
Super middleweight, um and sophie mathis would have been great, but she aged out she’s a crone.
I would have loved to seen aunt sophie mathis fight, clarissa shields, we’re talking about flyweights now, but that’s a good that would have been a great match-up right um.
But yes, yo costa, valet 25 wins two losses um, you know she got the numbers and she can operate well in there and uh she’s promoted by golden boy.
So i mean golden boy.
Looked like he’s the like he’s collecting all of these minimum weight, small girls and he’s getting the money from that weight.
Division.
Omar omar, chimes in boxing is both a sport and art.
Therefore, it is hard to watch when it’s not done at a high level.
I agree, unlike ufc, which is constant chaos and action which gives its viewers instant gratification.
Yes, i do agree that ufc mma is a bit more exciting than boxing um.
Boxing is something where you have to know and understand that the strategy and the science of what you’re looking at ufc is plain and simple.
It’S it’s get down and dirty and and like you see in it a fight in in its raw form right, there’s skill to that too.
I’M not taking that away because um would they call him the airbender or whatever he’s great he’s very entertaining to watch um.
What’S his name y’all know, i i’m bad with names: um assaya assad, the airbender he’s he’s he’s great, but, like i i’m still like, i’m not going to give him all that credit because he’s trying he tried to throw shade at my my sport, where he said Something to the effect of uh clarissa shields, stepping up to real fighting, because karissa shields does mma too no booboo.
It’S the other way around bring it bring your little um, bring your little badass to a boxing ring and see how well you do see how much air you bend in a boxing ring.
Okay, right, y’all, mma people talk a lot of junk right.
You got us coming, we we as fighters and as boxers.
We will try your game, but not many of y’all want to try our game.
Why is that um, israel, addis right? I gave you some plug on my platform, airbender yeah, but i’m throwing shane that shade at you as well right, you’re entertaining but um until you come to a boxing ring.
You ain’t that guy, so next um, so the uh jocasta aval vale valley is um.
She’S a baddie coming up 25 wins two losses.
I like the fact that she got two blemishes on her record two losses: that’s showing you that she just might be real.
Okay, um, i don’t know if it’s padded, if her right, i hadn’t done the research just yet, but i like that she’s calling out these big girls and she said i will fight y’all anywhere.
She said i will fight you in your backyard in your mammy kitchen.
I will go to texas, i will go to california, okay, just let me in the dance.
I want to dance with you two, ladies, but i haven’t heard anything like you know these ladies play games.
They haven’t um taken her up on her offer, but she’s standing in the in their yard, she’s she’s, coming up on their porch now tony’s reviews thanks tony tony come back in.
I love talking to you tonight.
Tony’S reviews coming in i mean to be honest, boxing imo.
Sorry, i’m still kind of old.
I don’t know what i am all mean is more skillful, but it doesn’t translate well into a real fight.
I was 32 and no in amateur boxing.
However, i’m a big dude, so i will scoop someone in the streets before boxing i mean, like i said tony style, make fights and guess what my boxing translate into these streets.
My friend, i’ve slumped some broads out here in in the kroger parking lot into walmart.
I’Ve slumped some dudes using my boxing skill right, so i ain’t going to scoop.
I ain’t going to roll around.
I ain’t going to do that right.
I i’m not going to do that.
I’M a sniper.
I know where to hit you.
I know how to make your knees buckle.
I know how to make the room spin.
I do i’m a human butcher i’ll do things to the average person, because i’m a boxer.
I know where to hit you to your body.
That’Ll make you fold over right.
So styles make fights, i’m a fight, i’m a boxer right and i’ve been taught by gladiators to be the type of um fighter, boxer, punch or banger.
That uh can can, like i said, dissect and and break a human being down um butcher, somebody else so it works for me in the streets too.
Now listen y’all, some of y’all out there when y’all see sugar.
Don’T try your luck, i’m a lover, not a fighter.
We can have fun right, but if i have to, if i have to i’ll cut you up dust, you down fry you up, okay and and make a meal out of you, um i’ll, put you on that grill barbecue chicken um tony refused comes comes back in Saying boxing limits, what you can use mma is a free for all in all attributes.
Now i i agree where um mma allows, because the rules are in mma.
Is it’s mixed? Martial arts so you’re applying different styles different genres? It’S a fruit, punch! Okay, where boxing is a discipline, you are you’re going to hit well, like i like um, i said, and i learned this from um – be hop too um.
I was a young amateur, um and b-hop came uh.
He fought uh another great fighter.
Robert allen, who came up in my kitchen and um b-hop was known, was a known cheater at the time but um.
You know i was talking to b-hop as a young amateur girl and he was a nice guy and he said, let me tell you something sweetheart.
He said everything everything’s allowed in boxing: it’s just not allowed when you get caught doing it and it opened up a whole other world in perspective to me, because it is true, all’s fair in the fight right, you only get it’s.
You only get um caught.
Oh miss scott, comes in hey sugar, hey miss scott.
I was wondering if i was going to see you tonight, um yeah you only it you’re only cheating when you get caught in boxing right.
I could tell you some fights where it looked clean, but i was getting choked.
I was getting uh glove rashed i was getting pressed.
The referee was was elbowing me because he was working for the other fighter right, it’s not fair.
In there.
It’S not clean.
You got to be very creative to stick to the discipline of what that fight of of what the boxing is.
What boxing is i’ve been hit behind? I’Ve been hitting my kidney.
I’Ve been hit behind the back of my head: i’ve been head butted right and that there’s creativity in delivering those too tony now tony also comes in and says yeah, but you saw with shields she got beat by nobody in mma.
I am imo in my opinion.
Thanks for clearing that up tony so um boxing is a lot harder to be successful, but mma allows you to use your full capabilities.
We can always agree.
I agree with you tony that’s why i say boxing you have to be.
Your iq has to be a little bit deeper in boxing because you have to stick within the discipline and you have to find a way right to execute these things that are not a part of the rules into the fight you have to perform and make it Look clean you have to perform and make it look like yeah, i’m i’m following the rules.
I’M doing this.
It’S a performance.
Mma is just that what it is right, they’re not performing in mma they’re, not they’re, fighting they’re acting it’s a it’s right.
Boxing is a fight performance.
I am convincing the judges, the crowd, my opponent, that i am doing something that i’m i’m realistically in the ring.
I’M i’m doing otherwise right in the clinch.
Y’All may see that i’m clinching, but in the actual fight i’m actually choking the other fighter, i’m cutting off their air, but it looks like a clinch.
It looks like i’m holding that’s what a lot of people don’t understand in the performance right when a referee says stop break and he pushes one fighter further back from the other fighter.
It takes that other fighter um.
It takes a lot more effort in now figuring out how to get back to the same spot, get back in and be in the same range of the other fighter in order to hit them with this with the strike right.
People don’t understand that you’re not seeing that in boxing it’s a science mma they’re going in there and they just they’re banging each other out they’re pushing each other against the that fence.
They’Re rolling on the foot right, there’s a there.
Yes, there’s a there’s, a effort and a style there, but the method isn’t there’s more madness in the method of boxing.
That’S why tony a lot of mma guys don’t take their chances in boxing.
They don’t have that iq and they don’t have the capacity to be as bad and as capable in that discipline right.
If i’m eating a bowl of spaghetti right like it, it’s like teaching the kid i remember growing up, it would um and – and it was a big growing up – i have a jamaican background.
So growing up, you had to learn to eat with a knife and fork at the dinner table.
That was the discipline that was the proper way right so to cut your food into little pieces with the side of your fork was considered like barbaric was considered lower class.
You learned to eat with a knife and fork, and sometimes you had to put your pinky out too right.
So when i came over here um because i grew up a little bit in jamaica with my grandmother and i and i i am very old school jamaican.
Okay, um and i saw kids that were eating with spoons and eating with um.
You know cutting up their food with the fork and stuff.
I was like.
Oh my gosh, like they have no skill.
I was learning to eat with knife and fork.
They didn’t even know how to use the silver, the knife and fork right.
I’M i was a more skilled.
I was seeing kids eat with their hands.
That’S the difference.
Mma is.
Where anything goes.
You can use that knife.
You can use the spoon.
You could cut your food up with the fork.
Boxing is using your skill of the knife and fork to break down that food on your dish and put it neatly in your mouth: it’s a performance.
If that matters you know, so i’m just saying i’m just saying that tony, but i hear you, i understand what you’re saying right, but you know that’s the mma boxing talk right and and i’ll go in and and i’ll debate with any mma person i actually trained At a mma gym, um tap out in in um in uh, was it what i think it was milton: ontario, yeah right and the mma people? They really nice to us boxers either, but i trained there and you know they thought they.
They thought um.
They was um chocolate, pudding, okay and telling me how great they are whatever.
But i tell you this right.
I couldn’t roll around.
I took my chance to roll around in them, but couldn’t then one of them even in like even elias, big ass, because he was, i forgot his last name, but he elias.
He was like a big name: uh mma guy sugar.
Even that sugar’s weight.
They couldn’t go, they couldn’t, they couldn’t go no rounds with sugar boxing because they didn’t have the skill and understanding they don’t have that fight thought process.
They don’t know how to execute a strategy standing up and that’s what it is um and you have to have an iq, a depth of iq.
To do that.
Um, try feet, miss triphen comes in mma is a knock off of boxing.
Mma is uh.
Miss scott mma is a um [ Music ].
It is a mixture mixed martial arts.
So it’s a mixture of boxing wrestling uh jiu-jitsu uh thai taekwondo uh.
All of these things tai tai pa.
It’S a mixture of all of that putting come together which makes for a fight and so the the then you have just a whole bunch of different styles that make interesting match-ups in mma, um and and so what tony comes back.
Um tony says um, where there’s more capability, because you can do more as an mma fighter than as a boxer right.
You can’t kick in boxing.
We can’t use our legs, but we do use our legs in a sense because i’ll step on you i’ll step on your lead foot, while you’re moving and trip your ass up i’ll put my foot in between your stance.
So you can’t move to the left and then hit you right i’ll.
Do things like that to jam you up in the ring, but a lot of people don’t see those tactics, a lot of people don’t understand how us fighters go because they think all we do is bounce around.
But it’s different when you have an iq, and you know how to apply these strategies and these skill sets in the ring we perform and it makes us look like we’re doing something we’re not doing what we’re actually doing in the ring.
Only the person in front of us can feel and know the havoc that we are wreaking upon each other in the ring now um lovely assistant.
Can i have uh? Can you just give me the other um image we’re gon na go to the topic tonight right? We we’re talking about okay, so this flyweight division, um yo costa she’s, calling out these girls, but i’m sorry she looks great.
I mean this girl is hot.
Look at her and i love her outfit she’s very marketable as a woman boxer in here very clean love.
Her face body banging okay, but we it’s just not enough interest like you, you’re gon na have to step up to superfly weight, baby and and probably you’re gon na have to try to come up and and and and fight some of these girls in the hotter Weight division in order to to to make a name for yourself or you got to make your division hot by marketing.
So, let’s hope de la hoya markets, these girls, to where people start being interested in that minimum to superfly weight, division.
Okay um now people are talking about where sinisia estrada is gon na, go because she’s, a hot commodity.
She ain’t hot, no mo okay, people are saying run to eddie hearn.
She gon na run that and he hurt, because now eddie hearn has a collection of women on his roster that he promotes and that he uh makes their fights eddie hearn is not um.
Eddie hearn is, is the only promoter in women’s boxing.
Let’S just call a thing, a thing right: all of his girls are fighting each other.
All of these women who are boxing each other or names are promoted by eddie herm, with the exception of clarissa shields.
Clarissa shields do what she want to do.
She’S um, promoted by y’all, bring me come on with his name um, and he allows her pretty much to run her own business and and and he he’s not making her um he’s not making her extend her marketability outside of what she can do in the states.
She is actually she’s the champ, but she’s actually going to savannah marshall’s backyard she’s actually going to europe, which is savannah marshall’s play um backyard; europe, not the united states to fight savannah marshall, which that’s unheard of you’re, the champ they got to come to your backyard.
Ask holly holm she never left.
She left albuquerque new mexico, one time, she’s a legend.
How are you going to be a legend and you never left your backyard in a fight? How the hell are you a legend right? Legends go where the fights are legends, step outside of their yard and fight right, so i’ve.
Never i i don’t like holly holm is a great fighter, but she’s not a legend.
She had a great promoter in lenny, fresquez or whatever.
Okay.
She had good money behind her, just like mccaskill will be probably put as a legend or whatever, but she has a great promoter behind her.
That’S why she has all the belts, cecilia breckus.
They call her a legend.
She she never left her backyard.
Really.
She, like you know these are.
These are the things you have to consider when you’re looking at women’s boxing now uh miss scott comes in mma is like street fight use the best tactics to win like like i said, and this is what tony is saying.
Mma is, and tony said it doesn’t trend.
Mma says boxing doesn’t translate to the streets right because he was a um.
You know he had a pretty record 32-0.
That’S a beautiful record as an amateur uh, diggs bt, diggs, btw, seven comes in time, ball! Hey! What’S up g, hey? What’S up dicks thanks for coming to the party, it’s a party now so miss scott diggs, tony’s reviews mike or vinnie ali.
It’S a vibe tonight thank y’all for coming in okay.
Yes, it’s a party! We got the misfits mike guess what guess? What we ain’t got tonight, though, ain’t no sirens tonight, mike ain’t, no sirens tonight yeah, i i’m into i’m in the burbs tonight having the show, but the party is still a vibe um uh who’s coming the whole stumble lma, oh uh laughing.
My ass off right me too, but it’s a vibe, yes um, yeah tony’s review, says the the boxing doesn’t translate to the streets, but listen uh.
Somebody you should see you should have seen uh sugar in action when she had some of the street action.
It tran.
Definitely it from me, that’s for sure um pretty record 32-0, but he he rather he rather rough and tumble, and and and do it mma in the streets, like i said styles, make fights so tony is a great great amateur fighter, but when it comes to you Know applying it outside of the ring or outside in the streets, he’s more of a mma style type of fighter.
You never.
I mean we just never know right um, you never know what kind of fighter you are un until you have to fight.
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