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EPISODE: Episode 5
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[, Music, ], hey y’all, so guess what it’s when 7 30 or a little bit past 7 30 on a wednesday night, and you and i are here at the sugar show.
So it looks like we’re.
Gon na have a party okay, yep every wednesday night at 7.
30 same time might not be the same place, but sugar’s face is going to always be in the place.
Hey you guys, thanks for chiming in tonight, uh for the sugar show and for those who are new.
Let me introduce myself.
I am natalie sugar brown aka, miss too bad.
I am uh uh mike chimes in already hey mike.
I am a female pugilist or a woman, pugilist woman boxer.
I have been in the game for 20 plus years, so i am an old crone in the game, and this is my platform.
The sugar show is my platform uh in giving you guys a window into the authentic experience of a female fighter in women’s boxing, not just boxing but women’s boxing, and this is necessary.
Why it’s necessary? Because a lot of people think uh boxing is boxing or fighting? Is fighting one industry is like the next and it’s not um.
I’M i’m here to talk about the the life of a a woman, gladiator, a female pugilist woman, boxer, um and the industry of women’s boxing, because i’m hoping that this will give everyone some insight on the real happenings of our industry and it’ll uh.
Uplift us as well as um, get some of this.
These behaviors that are unethical um back on fair ground right telling you guys the names of the real legends and the and the women who have really made marks in in our industry.
For now, which you see these young ladies uh, who are able to make some some good money um and become a brand in the boxing in the women’s boxing industry, so tonight’s topic is uh the mega mystery okay.
So we have a mega a women’s mega fight coming up in clarissa shields versus savannah marshall, but but before i get into that, okay um, i have to address one of my uh long-standing participants.
One of my misfits one of my viewers who have left, who had left a comment under my previous episode, um, where i highlighted uh women uh.
What journey women are in women’s boxing because journey women in women’s boxing are not the same as journey men in men’s boxing, so um i’m going to address one nation boxing.
I i hope you show up tonight.
I really do um, but i’m going to address your comment that you left under my previous video, so um in my previous video.
I gave some shine to some great whim, uh journey women or names that are synonymous with the idea of journey women in in the sport, in in women’s boxing in the industry and the business of women’s boxing.
Now i am not putting a negative connotation on the term journey woman or gatekeeper.
Those women are just as important, if not more important than the champions that you know, as i’ve said previously, if it weren’t for those women, your champions wouldn’t have shoulders to stand on to be who they are to be these so-called legends and and greats, and and All of the terms that are now thrown around uh to describe a pretty decent broad in the brain.
Okay, because at this point i i would say there are still very few women who have um few women who have become legends as just fighters.
Most of our legends are the women who have busted down the barriers that have stopped us from being who we are women, who can legitimately make a living as pugilist in in the world, in the industry and in an industry where it was only legal for men To do so, okay, so um, [, Music, ].
The comment that uh one nation boxing left on my under my previous uh episode was um and i’m just gon na just repeat and snip in snippets.
But i i think i’ve gotten your your point in in what you were in in those comments that you left.
So i’m addressing your points.
Okay, so um! Oh one, nation boxing, says unfair to call jane couch a journey woman.
She beat jamie clampett, who beat mia saint john for the iwbf 100.
40 pound title um.
The iwbf is now what you know as the ibf uh title and also um.
She went 10 rounds with holly holm um one nation boxing also mentioned she was forced to go without sleep on a staircase the night before a world championship fight, because americans refused to pay her to afford accommodation.
Also saying there were real reasons why she lost some fighter uh to some fighters and it wasn’t because she was second best um okay.
So that was your first point and i don’t like to repeat myself, but i’m going to remind you of what i said in the previous episode with regards to jane couch being a journey woman and what a journey woman is in women’s boxing.
You answered your own question sweetheart or you you actually um, hey sex, cedric sports training comes in good evening.
Champ, hey seti, thanks for chiming in long time, no see thanks for it.
Thanks for uh stopping by – and i listen i want you to.
I want you to chime in tonight right because you, a general in this game that i definitely respect um, so i’m addressing um one nation boxing’s comments um, where they seem to disagree with uh.
Why i had named jane couch as a legend, but not so um, but also gave her an as an example of a journey woman in the sport of women’s boxing or in the history of women’s boxing.
I take nothing from jane, couch, jane couch is had achieved.
A goal she became champion, but in that road to becoming champion, okay uh, let me explain to you the context of james journey and and um i’ll i’ll also give some resources to elaborate on uh, my my dear um mentor, because she’s a mentor to me.
Her um journey, okay, so uh the context of me calling jane couch a journey woman uh.
Once again, it’s not negative, but you did answer your own question.
One nation boxing where you said she was forced to go without sleep on a staircase the night before a championship, fight sweetheart, that’s how they treat journey women right.
They didn’t fly her over there or they didn’t put her in a place where they respected her.
As a contender or a champion, nonetheless, they had this woman sleep on a staircase the night before she’s to fight for a championship.
Okay, that’s number one right! That’S journey! That’S journey woman, swag, okay um! They said because the americans refused to pay uh to pay to afford her accommodation yep.
They ain’t gon na pay.
You they ain’t gon na treat you like no champion.
They won’t treat you like you’re anybody, because they flew you over to be a journey woman to lose for somebody, okay, um one nation boxing.
So i’m not saying that she was.
If you look because i don’t like to repeat myself and i’m not going to put clips of my old show on this show, i said what i said and i i think you said that you weren’t going to accept that statement from me.
But i said what i said what i said right.
I said she was a great contender, but they flew her over here and turned her into a journey woman.
Okay, i will continue with my points um cedric sports, coming in saying sleeping in the stairwell wow.
That’S disrespectful tell me, tell me about it: okay, but we we won’t go a little bit more into the into how they disrespected jane, couch and treated her like a journey woman.
That’S why i called her the legend, a journey woman, because um everybody can’t be champion.
Everybody can’t be cute, everybody can’t be great right, get out your feelings about that right.
There are great heroes and great villains too, and great journey women right and if we don’t own these things and if we don’t set a standard right for that kind of greatness, we’re not going to get our respect.
Jane jane couch now slept in the damn scare stairwell flew over to fight journey woman, swag, okay, she’s, a dog she didn’t run from that she did it.
Okay, um.
There were real reasons why she lost some fighters um to some fighters and wasn’t because she was second best.
That’S what i said.
That’S why i said what i said: one nation boxing, a lot of journey.
Women are not germany, women right, some are where they have.
The 4 and 40 record, but some of those records, some of those ugly records, were made to be ugly because they had some messed up decisions where they actually did win, but because they were fighting in someone’s backyard, they weren’t on neutral ground.
They got the l journey, woman, swag, okay, ain’t, nobody fighting for i’ve, been a journey woman.
I’Ve been a gatekeeper, okay, ain’t, nothing wrong with it.
The story for us in women’s boxing or fighters or contenders like us is check my record.
Okay.
Then you see the fabric of a fighter.
Has she left her porch to fight somewhere else right? Has she shown her depth where she’ll fight in different weight classes, where she’ll go up and she’ll go down? Has she shown that she’s a real baddie in doing that? Right, that’s the measure right, that’s the measure of who’s bad out here, it’s not a record because in women’s boxing i’m gon na.
That’S why we have in this show, i’m i’m teaching you guys how the game is manipulated, especially in women’s boxing, because nobody checks receipts.
Okay, so um the second point: some fighters in the? U, where i said uh some fighters in the uk, don’t know jane couch and uh one nation boxing.
I guess she was getting cute with me.
So i’ma get cute back.
You said um, that’s like saying.
Everyone’S hurt, um everybody.
You said everybody knows about jane, couch and me saying that it’s like saying no one’s heard of milk.
Well, let me tell you something about milk, okay, milk.
Don’T get ridiculed milk, don’t get put on like it’s a sideshow milk! Don’T get disrespected milk don’t get denied, so don’t compare jane couch to milk.
Okay.
When i said what i said when i said it, i said a lot of the up-to-date a lot of the present uk fighters.
Don’T know jane couch, i didn’t i didn’t say they.
Don’T know her name, i said they don’t know the woman, they don’t know what she went through for them to be.
Who they are? They don’t know they don’t have the respect for that woman that they should she’s still in the background and she’s, not even in the background on a platform she’s still screaming her story right.
That’S what i meant when i said what i said right so sometimes i guess i speak metaphorically or i speak.
You know and uh in in art artistic terms, but that’s what i meant right and i’ll and i’ll repeat that a lot of the uk fighters.
Don’T understand the value of jane couch and who she is otherwise she’d be on everybody’s team right, because she’s played the game and she’s played the game at its worst and then she still came out better than somebody who, with her start, would have right.
She started off with nothing.
She started off where it was illegal for her to even do what she did and she turned a whole system upside down on its head right.
She got women who believed in her two uh two female lawyers who believed in her that took her case to court right.
She took on a whole country and won okay.
A lot of female fighters in the uk doesn’t don’t really understand what that means, because guess what? Because she did that she was blackballed, she was taken out the story.
She was disqualified from the game.
It was hard for her to make it even harder for her to make a living after that right because she went she.
She went and exposed the the the good old boys.
That’S what i meant.
That’S what i mean.
Okay and she’s talked about this in recent articles, where she said she said it.
Women’S boxing in the uk still has a long way to go a long way to go.
So it’s not so much.
It’S not just good where these women are getting spots.
On a a promotional card, she jane couch has been an advocate of the actual business of women’s boxing and what that means to a fighter to be able to [ Music ] maintain their their self as a an an entity that is protected right.
She made it legal.
She made it now where women people are held accountable for treating women uh like like, they should be treated um as as a business as business women in the industry of women’s boxing.
Okay, so that should they go your milk baby um that that’s what i meant with regards to that she has actually had um had pa ptsd from all the crap that she went through uh in in paving the way for a lot of uh, uk women’s boxers And i’m just i mean for me, i i i’m gon na say this if if they knew what she went through, they’d shout her out a couple times, and i i hear crickets i haven’t heard none of them bring up uh, jane couch as as a legend As anybody who is influential in them being who they are right now, that’s what i meant right um, your other point, one nation boxing saying she was never a journey fighter or a gate, peeper keeper you’re just wrong.
Well, that’s just your opinion boo-boo, because i, i kind of told you the points that added up to that.
But since you want me to dig a little deeper into uh, jane couches, since you want me to outline what that meant with this uh gatekeeper and and journey woman in women’s boxing, how how she got categorized as that.
For me on this platform, and like i said it was, this is nothing derogatory right.
This is just it is what it is.
I put her on my previous uh episode as a legend and as somebody that is definitely if, if anything, a great journey woman and a great gatekeeper, okay, so um [, Music ], we we we’re gon na, go through jane couch’s, uh resume or history.
Okay, so uh jane couch is 28, wins, 11 losses and no draws okay, um and i’m just going to mention some of her notable um.
Some of the notable points on her resume: okay, um [, Music ].
She defeated andrea, deshong um, who all who had a padded record of fighters, so she wasn’t able to fight in the uk.
Andrea deshawn was a u.
s fighter.
Okay, so she came over and beat andrea in dashon, okay.
She also beat abadi in marsha marisha shaw.
Okay, look these women up, baddies, baddies, baddies, but in between jane couch, fighting these baddies.
Okay, jane was fighting a lot of 40 fighters right, so jane was fighting lesser caliber journey women right in between these matches, jane, wasn’t fighting other contenders that were on her level right when she lost against these these names.
She went back into paddington or paddingment right.
So she could get her number back up, which is what um pretty much it’s not ranking.
It’S not hannah rankin, who um is it femke? One of these girls are doing that right now, as we speak in in in the middleweight division right she’s.
She just fought for a title after she been, i mean, but i mean let’s get back to jane.
Okay, so um jane was fighting fighters that had less than 10 fights and beating them.
Okay, then she came over and and she fought uh elizabeth mueller and elizabeth mueller was um.
She she came up in my time as in when i was an amateur.
She was kind of ahead of uh ahead of my class, but um elizabeth mueller was was a um was a baddie in amateurs.
Okay, she was a tough.
She was a tough little broad uh.
She lost to elizabeth mueller, okay, she got tko in in the fourth round, okay, but then she went back after that loss and she fought.
I mean this.
This right now is the superstar journey woman.
Okay, she ain’t a legend she’s a superstar journey woman, okay uh.
She fought boris, lava, uh granova three times, so she fought boris, no uh, boris lava back to back to back to get her numbers back up.
Okay and then she fought a debut fighter before facing lucia, riker, okay, where she got tko by lucia, riker.
Okay, she fought brenda bell drexel, who is a u.
s journey woman? Okay, you can look her up.
Um, michael or chimes in lucia reichert was 15-0 okay, so i mean, if you look at the records right and if you look at who the promoters were jane, wasn’t flown in as a contender to fight lucia riker.
She was flown in as either a gatekeeper or a journey woman to validate lucia riker right, because lucia ryker was the one with the o and the one with the o is the one is the star of the show.
Okay, that’s how that that’s, how these promoters work it! Okay, right, michael’s! Coming in with the numbers, that’s what i said and then she fought brenda bro drexel, who was five wins 19 with losses and two draws a 4 and 40 fighter.
Okay, so she didn’t go back and fight another contender or contender of her caliber, so she can get her quality.
She went down in the bin and fought a lesser journey woman to get her number back up.
Okay, then uh.
She she lost to natalie turo of germany, okay and everybody knew back in those times that you wouldn’t go and go to germa germany and beat nobody.
You wouldn’t go and go to germany back in the times when she went up there and win no match.
So she knew what she was going there to do.
All right, don’t make me talk like this, then this is what it is: okay, one nation um.
Then she she beat jamie clampett, which was 13-2-0 because they flew up like you said she wasn’t second best, but she was being used on this circuit as a body and as a journey woman, jane couch could fight and she was tough as nails right.
She wasn’t, as she wasn’t strong physically, but boy she was tough and she knew her stuff in the ring.
Okay, now she beat jamie clampett, who was 13 2-0 at the time because they thought okay, jane couch is a ringer.
She can’t fight, but she turned it up on jamie’s ass and exposed her okay and then you came, and you said, jamie clamp it it’s fighting till this day.
Okay, i can get my license reinstated and fight tomorrow that that jamie clampett got her own her own little um neck of the woods over there um.
She has a promoter that um he he he’ll start her fighting anytime.
She wants.
I forgot his name right.
I i spoke with him too, as a fighter um goodness i forgot his name uh.
She beat clamped by unanimous decision right, like i said, uh jane couch wasn’t strong, she didn’t have, she didn’t, have no power, but she could fight and she was gon na fight.
She was one of those people that she was gon na, be on your ass because she could take.
She could take a shot.
She was tough she could take and give, but her giving wasn’t as heavy right uh omar john omar comes in all watching and enjoying this content.
Oh all watching and enjoying this content leave a like, so sugar can keep this going.
Thank you omar.
Thank you um.
We talking about jane, uh, jane, couch, okay, so um beat jamie clampett then turned around and lost to jessica, ricosi, okay, and if and if you’re, not understanding this, like she’s fighting people in different weight classes too right so she’s coming in at the opportunity she’s taking The opportunities as they come at no point is she dictating any of these opportunities.
Okay, um, and these are the name with the name fighters.
The rest of them is paddingment paddington right there they’re, either 40 fighters or debut fighters.
This is we’re talking about jane’s resume.
Okay um, then she went up um and fought um, goodness uh miriam lamar and lost by tko.
Now me and miriam came up around the same time.
Miriam i fought at 147 in the amateurs miriam lamar fought at 139.
We met at um.
We met at the at the second women’s world championships um.
No, we met at the women’s world championships.
We met up like this at the second women’s world championships and everybody thought for sure that we were going to fight each other in the pros, because um we there was a little bit of tension back in those times.
You know what i’m saying there was some uh talking in the cafeteria.
There was some swag swag and swagging tin and swag meant right.
She thought she was tough and – and you know people was like uh too bad is the answer for that for that problem.
But we never fought she.
She had a great mariam lamar had a great stint as a pro and i think she’s a mommy now yeah she’s out of the game and she’s a mommy now uh and sophie mathis um.
She fought mathis and who mathis mathis, um pulverized her in in the fight, but she she that was that was a super mega fight, mariam, lamar versus and sophie mathis.
You guys check that one out uh michael orr, says she bought clampett at 140 and then she fought uh with jessica rakowski at 133.
Okay, so you see like her going up and down that’s journey woman, swag uh, one nation boxing, because when you’re not a journey woman, you stick to your weight.
You have the you: have the uh the power to stay in your weight when you’re a journey woman.
You got to go up, you got to go down when you’re a gatekeeper, you go up down you.
You extend yourself for the opportunity to extend yourself versus the champ right you’re, trying to find your way.
Okay, so i take nothing from that.
Jane couch is a is a champion, but she’s adjourned.
They she’s a contender who they turned into a a uh um uh journey woman, who became a champion okay, and that is to be that is definitely to be respected, especially uh with her story.
Okay, um.
She fought two more two four and forty fighters, and then she fought holly holm and okay.
She went 10 rounds with holly holm, um yeah she would holly holm, wouldn’t knock nobody out, especially then, when she wouldn’t go and not nobody like jane couch out but um, jane couch was the gatekeeper or or was the stepping stone for everybody to see fresno and Them holly’s promoter use, jane, couch to validate holly holm, okay journey woman, gatekeeper right and there’s nothing wrong with that.
I, i must reiterate: uh one nation boxing.
Okay, so because it looked like it seemed like.
I hurt your feelings i it’s.
This is not about me.
Hurting your feelings, um, okay, she fought jamie clampett again and then she thought she stepped up and fought, and sophie matthews, okay, so jane couch is a dog out here right, she’s, a bad broad.
She was a that turned into a badass crone who became champion.
But let’s go down the name: let’s go down the the brand, the the names on her actual record, the actual names aside from the 4 and 40 fighters that she was fighting in the debut fighters.
So she fought liam mellinger’s.
She won.
She fought dora weber.
She lo fought dora weber twice and lost twice.
She fought mauricio shaw and she won.
She fought saren sharon angels and won all right.
These are different weight classes too.
Okay, she fought elizabeth mueller and lost.
She fought samaya, anani and lost.
She fought lucia, riker and loss, she fought natalie, torro and loss.
She fought jamie clampett and won.
She fought jessica, rokowski and one um and lost.
Did she lose yeah? I think she lied, y’all double check.
She fought mariam, lamar and loss.
She brought holly holm and lost.
She fought jamie clampett again, but she lost this time and she fought answer: p, sophie mathis and loss.
So without the paddington, her record is um, ten losses and five wins.
She lost to rockowski, okay, so ten losses and five wins, but she became champion.
That’S the story of a journey woman, that’s the story of a gatekeeper! Why? Because she maintained the standard of what these champions were supposed to be, if she couldn’t hang or if they couldn’t hang with her right, they wouldn’t be able to make it up, and if she couldn’t hang, she wouldn’t have been able to get back in there and Stand in there with all of those names with all of those legends, so i’m not putting jane couch down.
When i call her a journey woman like i said journey women are the most important um man michael orr comes in.
I was gon na say this too.
She fought um the superstar journey woman, uh borislava goranova four times four times, okay and and that that was to paddington her record okay um.
But it takes nothing from the fact that she went in there with high caliber opposition.
It was just that she did not dominate, she wasn’t dominating them.
She held the standard, though okay, so that’s what that that’s? What i mean in journey women.
She was the one jane couch, along with the other women that um many other women and those other women that i mentioned are um worthy of the spotlight because they can fight, and they are the ones that establish the standard of skill set of quality that these So-Called champions at least need to be in order to get that belt, but now, in this day and time, they’re trying to even jump over contenders and journey women like jane couch for the real tomato cans right because now matchmakers and fighters and managers they they really Are they doing the hocus pocus, with the records now and they’ll, find a they’ll find more 40 fighters or more tomato cans to pad records, so they’ll pad up the the tomato cans and, like i said in my previous uh episode, there are promoter.
There are managers that all they have are tomato cans and journey women, they’re not trying to recruit or have no ch no contenders in their stable, okay, um michael orr, saying uh.
She fought drexel two times every time couch fought and lost her.
Next, three fights were against fighters who had losing records, and there you have it.
That’S the magic okay but, like i said she stood in there with the grades, and she did something that those many of these women that i i named on her resume could never have the gonads to do.
She took on a whole country and put her name on the line and she put her life on the line, because it’s not easy after you expose a whole system like that.
They make things hard for you.
They make life hard for you right and for her to continue and and and become a champion and continue in her livelihood is a great and honorable thing, michael or chimes in everything.
That’S been said and commented on so far sounds like the life of a journey woman in boxing i said what i said.
Michael i mean mike, i hope, you’re not being biased because i you know, but um mike you’ve called me on my too at times.
That’S why i that that’s, why i kind of got a little crush on you, but um yeah that it that’s just what it is right.
We got.
Ta call a thing what it is: um michael orr saying i’m yo, i’m spitting pure facts.
You certainly spitting.
Okay.
You really spent that that you really spent them bars tonight.
Okay, so i’m hoping that i cleared that up um one nation boxing and with all due respect, um, i sure hope that um we can see on some kind of level or some kind of um.
We can see on on some respectful terms of of what this fighter is and what she means to women’s boxing, because we both value her, but it just seems like we have different perspectives on what her story is.
But i i will end this that part of that topic.
Discussion saying this uh jane couch deserves to be in um the boxing hall of fame.
She has done for women’s boxing uh what um she she’s she’s done for women’s boxing, what the pioneers, um and and and trailblazers have done in women’s boxing, especially um, for the women of the uk uh, and i i respect her tremendously for that, because i was A young i was a greenback when jane couch was fighting and i was cheering her on the whole time.
She has always been one of my favorite fighters in women’s boxing um.
Now, let’s talk about this, the topic of the show y’all.
Let’S talk about this mega mystery, this mega card? Okay, so it’s coming! It’S coming: clarissa shiels versus uh, savannah marshall, decoder, uh, there’s the fight poster.
Oh my gosh! They look sexy and scary.
At the same time, i think um.
So let me talk about this.
Okay.
Um i appreciate i i mean this is a pretty decent attempt at selling women’s boxing, but you know i i i got ta ask for.
I i got ta reach a little bit more okay, the star of the show is clarissa shields.
Okay, that’s why everybody is interested, that’s why all them, women on the on the on the poster, get a chance to shine because of clarissa shields.
Okay, she needs more real estate on the poster she needs more real estate on the advertisements come on now.
Okay, like i really see that y’all are playing uh clarissa shields, really close clarissa shields is not just a fighter fighting another fighter.
She is uh, if not the best female fighter right now, pound for pound and she’s proven it right.
She’S gone up, she’s she’s.
She she’s uh undisputed champion and she’s the champion in several different weight classes.
Okay, so you know you, you got ta michael orr said the fight poster looks like a coupon for a discount grocery store.
I mean that that’s some shade, michael, but i agree right like they.
They they got ta and then they put clarissa.
She is it’s too busy.
You’Re right, michael orr, says it’s too busy.
It’S too damn busy right.
I i’ma say it.
Then people on the bottom.
They don’t didn’t, take them off.
Who are they? Who i don’t olympics? Okay, that was over with okay? You had your shine from the olympics.
This pros, you don’t like take.
They take them off the bottom of the poster.
Okay, um and clarissa shields needed to have most of the real estate on this poster.
Michael orr say it’s like reading an eye chart when you’re seeing the optometrist michael stopping you on fire tonight michael says you barely can read their names unless you got good eyesight.
Tell me about it, and the thing is, i’m sorry to say the only names that matter on the card is clarissa shields and savannah marshall.
Even mayor and bum gardener are not.
They not shining like that right to be on this poster.
I they just not selling it.
This is not it’s too much on uh like mike, says it’s too busy, then saturday, 10th of september, like the information that we do want to know is, is, is itty bitty micro microscopic? What are you doing, and then you putting the girl like these faces on these faces on the poster come on? Sell they’re women sell, sell them for being women.
These these girls look like these.
These broads on the poster.
Look like they then like it.
It’S a um, what you call it um.
You know everybody knows this like there used to be like this dark fetish for people, and i have to say that i was guilty of it.
Where you would read um there was a um.
There was a like newspaper or a um newsletter that came out that showed who um people who were wanted for certain uh small crimes in each state and when the internet first started getting hot um, because that’s how old? I am they used to post this online and sometimes, if you were going through, it you’d see some people.
You knew like.
Oh my gosh, like for one for one, i think uh, let andrea jones who was um a fighter.
She was a fighter um supposedly signed by mayweather.
She was on on there yeah right, so it’s like that.
Was you um.
If you could see or find anybody, you know, or anybody behaving badly out there.
Well, this kind of looks like how they used to market it like the mug shot.
You know like the lineup for for uh females who either shoplifted or you know, um got locked up at the bar fight.
I mean there are so many beautiful images of all of these women out here.
This fight, this poster does women’s boxing, especially a mega fight.
It doesn’t know justice, it doesn’t compel me even a fighter to want to buy a ticket to this.
Okay, um michael orr, says then there’s two names on each end of the bottom row that don’t have pictures for the fighter.
I noticed that too, like this is bootleg.
This is how they’re selling it this is supposed to be a mega women’s um post.
This is supposed to be a poster for a mega women’s fight.
So for my people, who are listening in um on the podcast, i’m i want y’all to look up the poster, but i’m describing the poster where, like um the the women on the post, clarissa shiels, i mean she got the jailhouse cornrows uh, savannah marshall.
You know she got the.
She got this slick back, ponytail um, the only person that looks semi uh, you know that looks pretty presentable, is michaela, meyer um and you know she’s, not the star of the show she’s.
Ah i i always say they try.
They always trying to insert her um up under clarissa’s uh coattail.
You know she needs to earn her own spot, but i’m gon na move on right.
So the line up here – okay, so it’s shields versus marshall and shields and marshall – are both um.
Well, let’s go backwards right because i’m gon na lose some of y’all if we uh start from the um, the the juicy part down to the dry part.
Okay – and i and i did and i’m i am saying – dry: okay, um we’re gon na talk about these.
Ladies on the bottom of the poster, okay, now on the bottom of the poster, i’m starting from the middle um, you have uh caroline dubois, which is she’s 3-0 and i believe, she’s an olympic gold medalist.
So she got the olympic gold medal in middleweight, so she’s coming up she’s a up-and-coming uh pro, but she’s 3-0 for her to be 3-0.
I don’t care if she’s an olympian or whatever for her to be 3-0 on on such a mega card.
She needed some more build up for this right.
There’S too much.
There was just there’s just too much going on right and and for as a man as a managerial um decision like someone who would make a managerial decision for dubois.
I really wouldn’t have put her on this card right because she’s definitely being outshined.
She is a olympic gold.
Medalist she’s got to have her own she’s got to have her own uh platforms.
So then, when she gets to where she’s calling out shields or calling out marshall, she had, she she’s walked her own journey she’s, the she’s been the star of many of her own shows right for her to be the undercard on this.
I i i don’t think it was a good move: managerially um.
She she will be overshadowed to me um by the grandiosity of of the fights of of the two main or the four main fights right, because people are looking for them, so um dubois, carolina dubois is fighting molina coliva um, who is 10 14 and 1.
.
So 10 wins 14 losses and, and one draw okay, so a journey woman, okay – and this is the time for caroline to fight uh, a journey woman she’s in her fourth fight, okay, um and and even though you know, even even though uh koleva is a journey.
Woman, she has won ten fights, so dubois still has to be.
She has to train, she has to be on her toes and she has to perform properly in order to be to impressively win against um this fighter, uh melina koleva, okay, so that’s the one in the middle okay, then we’re gon na go to um.
Goodness i got ta look in um, okay, so then we’re going to go to [, Music ] goodness.
What’S her name, where’s uh, our tin stall, okay, um, wait a minute! Is that lauren price? So, okay, so we’ll go we’ll go to the right! Michael michael said it okay been a long day.
Y’All sorry, so we’re gon na go to the right to the blonde on the right.
Okay and that’s lauren price, so lauren price is one and oh and she’s.
Fighting tamiya bellick, who has six wins six losses and two kos they’re fighting at 147 pounds.
I think lauren price is also a former olympian uh, my lovely assistants and mike.
If you can look that up, please let me know, i think she got some kind of uh history coming in behind her, but once again, 1-0 on such a mega card, when there are so many great contenders out here.
So many great contenders that have already have skin in the game like what what they should have done on this card is, they should have put the contenders who are in shields weight, class, uh shields and marshall weight class, as well as mayor and baumgardner’s weight class.
They should have made the undercard all the contenders, so then people would have something to look forward to after these.
These women fight, because after these women fight who’s, gon na know who’s gon na know about the people coming up to challenge them.
Um cedric chimes in yes, lauren price is an olympian.
I think she meddled okay.
I think she got a bronze medal or something like that.
So she did medal, but she’s want to know okay on on a mega cut, no you’re, not a contender and we’re not trying wan na know your sub 10.
.
Oh, she got a gold, okay, so she’s a olympic gold, medalist, okay and she’s, fighting uh she’s fighting at 147 as a pro okay, but you’re still 1-0 um michael orr says her girlfriend took home the bronze okay, and that must be real cool.
You know your girl got a girlfriend.
My girl got a girlfriend, y’all, don’t know um y’all know, that’s y’all, don’t know that bar where that bra came from.
But anyway that was good.
That um, you know her.
His arting stahl um is artem stahl price’s girlfriend is that what y’all are telling me yo? Let me know: okay, so that’s kind of sexy right, um, these two, ladies who are involved um they’re, fighting on the same card; okay and so um artings artingstahl, who is the uh lady to the left of dubois to the left of the the fighter in the Middle uh is art installed, um got a bronze medal and she’s also the girlfriend of lauren price, who is the gold medalist and the blonde? That’S on the um.
Well, i would say the right side of dubois, so i mean that’s pretty: that’s pretty cool.
That’S a pretty cool story: um [, Music ] said he came in tumbled, shoulder lean yeah.
You found the bar young, dro and t.
i.
My girl got a girlfriend.
Oh my gosh, yes, and we having a part, i just love it.
When y’all, i love it when y’all encourage my goofiness, my crazy right, i just love y’all.
For that.
I i really know that y’all mess with sugar, um yeah, so um, it’s a pretty cool song.
They used to play that in the gym show the lean i used to i used to do my my slipping did that song show anyway, all right all right back back to back to boxing talk back to women’s boxing anyway, um.
Okay, so then we’re gon na go also down the line right where i’m sorry, i am actually reading, as everyone else is, reading who’s watching, but i’m going to i’m speaking it from for my people who’s on the podcast okay, so we got then jones versus caballero.
Okay, so ebony jones is 2-0 versus caballero and i didn’t get caballeros um record okay, but two-and-oh like this is what like i’m i’m.
I i’m really not even focusing on these records because all of these people, michael orr, comes in young dro.
Yes, young dro, i mean that that that’s one of the sickest bars to to ever been dropped.
My girl got a girlfriend.
Okay, um anyway, come on back um michael.
Did you really drop? The link y’all hit the link the jam to the two? Yes, that’s the that’s.
The theme for the show show the lean hit.
The link hit the link to know that what what uh sugar city and mike what we all bopping to uh tonight we got that shoulder lean, um, okay, so uh yeah, i’m i’m gon na.
Go down the line uh again, so then we got um o’connor on the other side, um and o’connor’s two-and-oh uh.
We don’t even know who o’connor’s fighting okay, then we got um april hunter beside o’connor, who she’s five in one she’s fighting a fighter alvarez so like uh, these fighters all have sub 10 records and if y’all been tuning into the sugar show, you really haven’t.
You really haven’t hit anything until you get plus 10 fights unless you, unless you’re fighting, unless you’re fighting like stepping up and you’re fighting quality opposition, then you get then your name gets called, but if you’re fighting, if you’re only fighting journey women and you’re sub 10 Ain’T, nobody talking about you, you, don’t you, don’t really get those kudos right now, right, you’re, still, learning, okay, um jump into hot grease jump in that fight.
Some fight some name contenders right if you’re sub 10 and then we get and then we get to talk about you, but somehow whoever put this card on we’ll see um.
Because of that, i think it’s going to be a boring ass card under card yeah.
I said it um because if you are sub 10, as a fighter and you’re, not even fighting high quality opposition you’re still finding your way in the ring you’re, you can’t even perform right and and that’s what these fights are.
That’S what this fighting is.
This fighting is about performance, it’s about getting in there and performing the ass whooping, not going in there trying to feel your way and figure out.
That’S what all these undergrad girls are going to do that night, because they’re sub 10.
ain’t, none of them stepping up um, [, Music ].
We got jenny, futch um, who is 1-0 on the card, her pitch ain’t, even on the thing on the poster against uh, gemma, uh rug, who is five, wins four losses in one draw right, you’re still trying to find your way in the ring.
You can’t entertain me on a mega card.
That’S like watching a toddler eat spaghetti come on now.
I i don’t want to see that i want to see like i signed up like when you see them, people that can eat a hundred hot dogs and in 30 seconds.
That’S the i like that.
I’M sorry, that’s that’s the type of stuff that you know they perform in that they performing that hot dog eating have y’all ever watched some of those things i they used to be my jam at one time.
I’M telling you i got some your girl.
Sugar is a strange woman, but listen i i mean well and i and i’m fun, i’m fine, um, michael orr comes in the entire undercard is sub six fights exactly like sub six pros.
Like i said it’s, it’s gon na be like watching a toddler eat, spaghetti they’re, not performing and they’re, not even in there against quality opposition for you to even say, oh okay, i’ll be looking forward to to that.
No, like we not no, no um hunter is five.
In one yeah i mentioned that um and mariana uh sakura sakura who’s, fighting arden stall is five wins 16 losses and two two draw so she’s.
Just in there she won journey woman.
It uh she not in there to win, she won’t survive and she won’t make um art install, look good right dean.
That’S what this right! That’S why i had that.
That’S why i had that these episodes.
That’S why i’m having these episodes, because i want you guys to understand what you’re looking at right, they’re selling you these people.
The this this promoter here is is selling you some some bull jive.
This is not a real look into who’s out here in women’s boxing.
The real contenders they’re not doing us any justice, they’re, not putting any money in our pockets in these contenders, pockets, right, they’re, not showcasing what’s really out here and – and it’s really not fair right – put them on there, even if you rob them put them on there.
Right because let let the crowd let the people, let the people become fans when you have more fans, win or lose.
You want to make money.
When you put these sub 10 fighters up there ain’t, nobody going be pressed about them.
I promise you uh michael orr, says emily jones is 2-0 versus vanessa, uh uh cabello for fourth, four wins: 15 losses and three draws.
Yes, that’s what i said journey women who have who have signed up to lose right, where’s, the thrill in that where’s, the thrill, where is the thrill in these matches with the undercard where’s the thrill right? This is a mega card.
Michael orris comes in seems, like it’s gon na be a quick night of boxing.
No, it’s gon na be a long, boring, ass undercard because i don’t know if any of these these broads these uh, these sub sub 10 broads.
I don’t know if they’re gon na be able to pull off the the knockouts and and pull off the performances that are needed to to to grab our attention.
A michael orr comes in.
I know i was being optimistic.
I was hoping that everyone would get knocked out.
Michael you always trying to see somebody get slumped up.
Huh huh yeah there there’s there’s entertainment in a full uh 10 round ass whooping too, but i like for it to go back and forth right.
I like for, for i like for the con the champ to give and take just like the contender to give and take, and i’d like for the contender to almost win, sometimes just like i’d like to the champion to to win right.
But i want i’m shining.
The light on what y’all are looking at right: they, they lining this thing up and making trying to hype us trying to hype people to think that this one this is what’s out here and it’s not uh michael orr, says the ham straight michael orr also says: Yeah but there’s nothing like watching somebody get slumped over and sleeping before they hit the ground, not knowing that they that they’re, even at the fight.
There is something about that for sure right, but me uh.
I like the foreplay too right.
I i like i, i like watching uh a fighter dismantle another fighter right.
I, like the the motions of it.
I like i like seeing um a fighter being taken apart mentally and physically yeah.
That’S that’s kind of the uh psychopath in me, uh michael orr, says.
Don’T get me wrong.
I love foreplay.
I bet you do [ Laughter ] mike this.
The second show that you listen they going to tell on us they’re going people want to start talking about us, um um, and so yes, we’re going to continue all right about this card.
Now then, we go into ali uh, michaela meyer versus alicia, uh bumgardner, okay.
So this is.
This is a match-up that just came to me.
It came as a whirlwind right because um garner’s been calling out the disney princess, michaela meyer, okay and michaela meyer has been uh curving uh.
Every attempt at fighting, bumgarner, okay and now, because i think bomb garner, is actually signed to eddie hearn now um michaela meyer has decided that it’s worth stepping off her home porch to go fight, bum gardner.
Now i am curious to see how this fight is going to turn out um, because i mean i’m looking at both fighters.
Um statistics, okay, so mayor starting off, she has a 29.
41 knockout rate.
Um michael or chimes in alicia did sign with eddie hearn.
I told y’all, i know what i’m talking about.
I know what i’m talking about yeah right, i i’m i’m not a computer in this, but i am true to it where you know i i’m still i’m still around, i’m still in in the game.
I’M still talking and i’m still living it enough to know uh who’s, doing what okay, so um, yeah and so who’s putting on who’s promoting the show, eddie hearn right salida is also promoting the show, but i’m not sure if um top rank has any dibs on This promotion because michaela meyer is um promoted by top rank so um, oh, so bob arum is co-promoting.
This fight as well is that what you’re saying michael orr coming in mikey and boxer right so okay everybody’s got their girl on the card.
So it’s, i guess, seems like it’s an even fight between mayor and bumgarner.
Okay, both their promoters put their money in on this fight.
So both promoters, um may have equal interest in uh what the judges say and what the ref does.
Okay.
So it makes this match up.
Pretty interesting.
Like i said, um mayor has a 20 29.
41 knockout percentage.
Okay, but bumgarner has a 53.
85 knockout percentage.
Now, let’s dive deeper in one in what that means.
This is according to their resume.
Okay, they um.
This is according to their their um fight record, so, starting with let let’s start with um bump gardener, because she she got the shortest list.
Um bum gardener has fought a a fighter.
Who is a contender that has been turned into a journey woman uh.
Her name is edith, uh sold, so do all okay and um.
She has a win over a victory over edith who, with 17 wins and 11 losses.
Okay um she knocked out bumgarner knocked out terry harper, who was 11-0 at the time.
Okay, so she took terry’s o and that’s that’s.
That’S quite uh um i mean that’s like taking son, i’m gon na go there.
That’S like taking someone’s virginity yeah like you have that, oh i i’m the one that deflowered you i’m the one that did that to you, yeah um, goodness, y’all.
Give me a second i’m gon na have to um my battery’s running out, but listen.
This is this.
Is a real show, give me a second okay, i’m back so um pluck plugging up plug it in this is how real it gets on on the sugar.
Show.
Okay and don’t judge me all right, we’re back in business.
Okay, yes, so taking someone’s o is like taking their virginity, especially in women’s um in women’s boxing right, because that means i got your number yeah um.
I got your o and you can’t get it back.
You can’t take it back and no one else has it except for me right so yeah, so bum gardner took terry harper’s, o at 11 and 0.
.
So that’s that’s.
That’S a tremendous um accomplishment.
It is um because terry, that’s she’s.
She gifted terry’s first taste of defeat and that hurts and it don’t taste good either it’s it’s very bitter.
It’S i don’t like it um and then uh prior to that.
She fought a baddie in christina uh, leonardarto medusa out of greece, but um christina linedarto, actually handed uh bumgardner, her first loss, i believe yeah, so uh, leonardo took bum, gardner’s, o um and and linda darto is uh.
I believe i wrote her.
The 14 wins and two losses – lena darto was also a fighter who beat up katie taylor, but did not get the decision, and i believe, shortly after that is when she became inactive people.
Stop calling you when you show that you want to win, and you are dangerous people stop calling you okay, but i’m hoping that we get to see her again because she is a great contender, linda, uh, christina lenodarto, should have actually been on the under.
I would have loved to see seen her on the undercard of this fight, she’s a good fighter and she’s a good performer um, [, Music ].
So then, now we go to um, michaela meyer, okay, so on mckayla meyer’s resume uh there is uh nydia feliciano.
Who is a great contender who that they have turned into a journey woman? Okay, uh nydia feliciano is the the fighter is the first fighter who exposed michaela meyer just off the strength of boxing, because feliciano is not a powerful fighter, but she got this.
She’S got a great iq and um.
She can box her ass off and she’s tough.
She exposed michaela meyer because she had michaela looking like she’s.
She was reloading the whole fight and um.
Unfortunately, the the cards were against feliciano when she signed the contract, but she she put on a great performance.
I would have loved.
I i would hope to see her again somewhere in the future as well um.
She she is someone that i i would like to i’d love to see: uh nydia, feliciano, actually fight rematch, uh, amanda, serrano or even fight katie taylor, right she’s of that caliber she’s, a great her.
Her boxing iq makes her very entertaining to watch um helen, joseph.
So michaela meyer fought the forward moving uh strong pressure fighter, helen joseph and i will say michaela meyer – did a great job in performing against helen joseph helen.
Joseph is a straight on one trick, pony type of fighter she’s going to keep stepping forward.
She doesn’t leave much.
You don’t need to think too much.
Uh fighting helen joseph if you know how to box and if you know how to use your your feet and your footwork um she’s also shorter than michaela meyer, because michaela meyer, i think, she’s about five.
Nine five ten, so i’m like she’s a tall girl, um and and she’s she fights at this uh featherweight, i believe yeah.
She fights that featherweight us or super featherweight.
So i think, which is about 132 pounds so um yeah um.
That was a pretty good win for michaela meyer against a tough opponent.
Michaela meyer also fought erica farias, a stale at erica farias, and i don’t know, i really don’t know what that was to be honest, but erica farias also just fought a girl named sandra ryan.
Who is a up-and-coming prospect, um senator ryan.
She she seems to be she’s a good one.
She’S sandra ryan is a a a good fighter and she’s the type of fighter that you either want to see her beat people up or you want to see her get beat up yeah because she talks that yang um.
She has a good aggressive style to her and she she um her performance or her facade in the ring.
When she does fight is she is the bully.
She is the bully she’s gon na step in your face and she’s gon na be she’s gon na be disrespectful, so um yeah sandra ryan.
I just fought erica farias that fight should have been on this undercard.
To be honest, that’s a good fight, okay, those that that’s a contender versus a a champion and um.
I believe it was for a champion a a title that should have been on this card: okay, not sub 10, not a sub 10 fighter.
That’S just starting off um meyer fought mavia, hamadoux, and i’ve said this before hamadouch won that fight.
I don’t care what nobody said um i i said what a set right um when you’re pressing the fight and pushing forward and somebody’s just hitting in defense, you’re pressing the fight and you’re dictating that person’s fight and you’re dictating when and how that person’s fight you’re.
Winning the fight hamadouche did that versus michaela meyer, but she was fighting on michaela’s porch and it wasn’t her promoter.
So she didn’t get the decision, but i would have loved to seen hamadouche on this card.
Why didn’t they put mavi um um hamadouche on the card right she’s, a great entertaining tough ass fighter, put her against another contender out here.
That would have been great um.
She’S 22 uh hamadou, she’s 22 wins one loss, um zero draws.
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