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EPISODE: Episode 7
Natalie speaks the truth about women’s boxing and the things that are being done on behalf of women globally.
#TalkinFight #SugarShow #MsTooBad
Transcribed:
[, Music, ], hey you guys, uh! I am not sure if i’m visible, you’re, visible wow, so guess what you guys, tonight’s one of them nights yeah like the whole, the whole presentation and even right now my screen is blank.
I can’t really see what’s going on, but we i’m i’m still here.
Sugar’S face is in the place.
You know we just doing this impromptu, i’m just spitting bars off the top now, but we’re going to talk about something that happened just recently last week, um just highlighting a really good fighter for the record setting the record – and i also in in this show, wanted To address uh, a former contender that i thought uh her name is tammy johnson and she left a comment um on.
I believe it was my journey women episode and i wanted to address her uh with a couple points, but i’m not sure you know we do need visuals for these, because um tammy johnson need needs a bit of a spotlight.
I think she feels neglected and left out of the game and she she’s definitely um a name and a person that made sugar who she she is um.
She she’s a name that that is on my skid row and i’m proud of my skid row.
I fought a bunch of baddie bad bad broads, a bunch of bad tough and she was one of them um, and so i want to give her uh her her spotlight because uh, but we’ll have to do that in another show, because um y’all got to really Get to know this, this baddie uh, tammy, tasmanian, devil johnson, look her up um next wednesday, we’ll follow up on the conversation and those who are watching.
I should hope that you did a little bit of homework and and then we can go back and forth tammy.
If you look in if you’re, watching thanks for supporting sugar, right and and um, you know it was all love, you know it was.
It was never too uh our fight and, and me choosing you and you choosing me was never about anything negative.
It was about us being bringing the best out of each other um.
I i will say you know some of us have good days at the office.
Some of us have bad days at the office that night, you had a bad day at the office um, and it is what it is right and it’s happened to me, but that doesn’t dim uh your shining light hon.
You know he.
You was one of the baddest coming up out there and we were all concerned about you and so i’m i’m, i’m gon na use my platform to tell the story all right.
So um moani brown, tv, hello, queen, hey money, all right, then we we having a party now moani’s in the building with suge and uh.
Let’S get live.
Let’S talk, okay, so tonight uh we, the the the topic, is setting the record for the record okay.
So i was going to set the record about tammy johnson.
I ain’t got my slide show up, but we can still chatty chat, but that was that’s for next wednesday.
Okay, but tonight we’re going to talk about the broad and we talking about ramla ali tonight, because um she’s doing great things she’s a sub 10 con contender out there um she made it as far as olympics, but the reason why i want to spotlight her is Because she might, as she she’s done some things that you know touches my heart, sugar’s heart because um, you know, i’ve done the same thing for for my my country and and and my um in a sense, uh shine.
The light on on the fighting side of of women uh in the caribbean, okay, so um, michael orr, so mike, oh michael orr, comes in um, listen! Listen mike! You want you gon na cut it with the facts already, because this muscle, okay, you’re gon na, have to come with it all this information after sugar after sugar uh dumped the 4-1-1.
Well after i dropped the 4-1-1 hun, then you you could follow up and support the facts right all right, so uh, oh mike, you put that for me to read.
Oh thank you baby.
I done my homework too, but thank you yeah.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
So it’s for me to read, but let me do all right, so i’m gon na do mine and then i’m gon na come i’m gon na come up with uh follow up with my mike’s rendition right.
I i always spit the remix first okay.
So this is the remix of the ramla ali story that that i put together.
Okay, so ramla ali is uh uh she’s, a woman boxer.
Oh my goodness, i haven’t even introduced myself.
You guys tonight is one of them nights.
It’S 7 30.
On a wednesday, i’m natalie sugar, brown, okay – and this is my platform to um – give give all my viewers all my misfits that uh chime in all my people, an authentic view and window into the life of women, uh, pugilists, okay, so women in women’s boxing right, Because, like i always say, uh people think boxing is boxing.
It’S boxing men’s boxing, it’s like women’s boxing and it ain’t the same baby.
It’S not the same.
Okay, um women’s boxing is totally different.
What oh, okay, carl w coming in uk, leading the way again with a brilliant all-female card thoughts? I heard you baby.
I heard you carl and thanks for chiming in okay, so you talking about the um you talking about the mega fight.
Carl.
Tell me tell me um: if uh you you talking about the thoughts on the all uh women shields versus marshall mega card.
Okay, tell me confirm if that’s the the that’s the one.
You want my thoughts on okay but uh, yeah carla’s in the building and um money, brown tv’s in the building the party then got started and then michael orr, okay, so yes, um sugar is, is giving you the authentic perspective of a woman, uh pugilist.
I have been on top of the game for over 20 years, so yes, i’m an old crone in this game and i’ve been around enough um.
To give you all some insight on.
You know a lot of a lot of the ups and downs and ins and outs of my fellow baddies and broads and and and women that do this thing in in women’s boxing.
Okay and like i always say, please, please ask questions um, there’s no silly questions.
There’S no stupid questions right.
It’S it’s! We having a conversation and um.
It’S it’s really all about getting to know uh the world of a woman, gladiator, okay! So yes, carl, comes back and wants to confirm uh saying yes, the 10th, the september 10th card shields versus marshall, correct, okay, so yeah uk is leading the way again with um all female action.
Okay, so i’ma say this uh uk when it comes to women’s boxing right now.
That’S where the money is at.
That’S where the money is okay, and i appreciate that.
Okay, especially if we get paid in the pounds, okay, because you know that money way – that money – ain’t lightweight – that money, heavyweight, okay, um and uh, it’s it’s a grand event.
I i i went over this, this uh match and this card in a previous episode.
Um mike orr comes in saying it’s a massive line: lineup can’t wait to see it.
Okay, um it’s a it’s a okay lineup, i beg to differ with michael orr.
I i agree with with you carl saying: uh uk is leading the way with this all-female card movement right now, because this ain’t, the first time there was an all or has been an all-female uh card, big card um either.
You know we’ve been been doing this in women’s boxing.
We just never got the spotlight in the marketing now that we’ve gotten okay um mike orr charms in there’s a lot of up-and-coming female prospects, and that’s what i have the problem with you see what i’m saying a lot of the undercard are sub 10 uh previous Emmys – and i want to say this um it’s i – i find it disrespectful for such a mega card in women’s boxing or for such a big card in women’s boxing to happen and uh.
There’S a full lineup of broads: that’s wet behind a damn ears, sub 10 fighters, who don’t know uh one post to the next post as a professional in women’s boxing and they’re fighting four and forty fighters.
Okay, so i’m gon na be upfront with that: okay um! There are several contenders in women’s boxing that deserve that spotlight that deserve to be on um on that card and featured on that card.
Just because you got out of um the olympics and and you meddled that was that that’s what you did as an amateur and congrat congratulations baby, but you in the pros now and i’m not sure if y’all are familiar very familiar with men’s boxing.
But just because you got a gold or a medal in the olympics, don’t mean that you, the cat’s ass in um, the pros okay.
We just want to make that clear.
I felt i feel like they should have featured a lot of the contenders.
That would then be next to fight either clarissa shields or savannah marshall right because there are other baddies in that weight, division from junior welter, i’m yet from junior middle all the way up to super middle.
You know what i’m saying the and they’ve put their work in as pros for some years, and you don’t jump over somebody’s head like that with some uh, you know with a wet behind the ear um sub 10 uh.
You know uh pro female boxer.
That’S fighting a 4 and 40 fighter.
That’S going to be boring and you know it it’s just not it’s just not appealing.
That’S all! I that’s what i got to say about that.
Okay, so um wait a minute.
I love that we talking good now.
Carl comes in the purses must be big to be bringing in the top u.
s talent over the pond, not really um, and – and i covered this in a previous episode too.
No a lot of you know a lot of it’s for the clout.
A lot of it is because now they get some attention, and i also say this – you know: we’ve come to a time where you know we as women boxers, we don’t.
We should not, or we do not need to sell ourselves just for the attention now right.
Um you can expect to have a big purse if you’re uh a sub 10 female fighter.
I don’t care if you meddled at the olympics right if you’re a sub 10 female, follow a female boxer with no real following okay and you’re fighting a 4 and 40 opponent right if they were fighting, if they were fighting uh names out the gate, you see What i’m saying so if they were fighting, if they were fighting names of contenders that are ranked and and big out the gate, then yeah bring them over and yeah.
Let’S, let’s see what these emmys, let’s see, if they can, you know but bite off.
Um d d: take these big bites and and shoot these these contenders up.
You know, but you come out here, fighting a 4 and 40 fighter and i’m supposed to be excited.
I don’t think so, baby! No, that’s not for me! So the undercard um for the mega fight is is um.
It’S just not giving for sure it’s not giving for me.
It’S not giving championship.
It’S not giving excitement.
It’S not giving drama, it’s not giving nothing for me and that those are all the ingredients that would make uh a fight interesting and that those are all the ingredients that you need to be seen on a a mega stage like this.
Okay, so um uh, michael orr, come yeah.
He he confirms the undercard.
All of them are sub seven fights that, like i said, sub 10.
I give you up to 10 to figure out what you’re going to do in there.
Okay, um, if you’ve been around and and if you and if you’ve and if you’ve fought some champion contenders, then i’ll talk about you, but you fighting, nah, um carl comes in.
Who do you think is missing off the card? I say who’s who’s missing off the card: um fighters like um, let’s see uh uh tara brown is missing off the card.
Who is a a dangerous contender for both bum gardner and michaela meyer right? So she could have been one on there.
Um raquel miller is a dangerous contender at for junior middleweight, right up to middleweight and she’s a dangerous contender for both clarissa shields and um and savannah marshall um.
Even though um, let’s see who else is out here, you you know um i mean i, i i like that you’re asking me these names um, you know uh medusa out of um uh out of greece.
Mike help me help me uh wha.
What’S her name again, um she’s out of greece, they call her medusa.
She would have been a great contender on this card.
Melissa saint bill would have been a great contender on this card.
You know what i’m saying um you know: cenizia estrada would have been a great contender on this card.
You know, like put the contender put contenders out there, put people that um can step up.
You know and can be problems for the mega and main events.
That’S all i’m saying um uh mike says you’re only as good as your last fight, i mean absolutely, you know, and carl uh confirms i agree amateur and pro boxing two different sports.
Let me tell you right so sugar’s going sugar’s going to tell you her um persp, her first experience um in the pro, so i’m not sure.
If y’all look me up but i’ma tell you.
I was a world class amateur ranked number two in the world.
Arguably number one: i thought i still had a bit of a pro style and irina seneca out of russia.
She had my number okay leftover left.
The emmys ranked number two in the world number one in the usa number one in jamaica, um, six time golden glove.
You name it i had it.
I was that gal, okay, as as an amateur uh turn pro okay took some time off.
I had my son.
Uh came back, but you know i still had the skills to pay the bills.
When i uh decided to come back.
Um i fought a a girl named christine and i forgot her last name, but y’all can look me up.
Okay and um.
When christine weighed in christine had a body, she looked like a smaller version of an wolf carved out.
She looked like she was carved her muscles looked like she was carved out of stone.
Okay, and here i am um postpartum mommy uh, the former amateur badass, but i you know i had to figure out who i was in the in this pro game.
Again thing you know signing up uh to fight.
Did this this this killer, because she was a killer, so um about my father’s business.
What’S up natalie, what’s up chris thanks for chiming in i, i i really appreciate that uh you took the time out of your important life to chime in, on my show.
I appreciate that and, like i said, always much love to you, because you played a big role in uh who natalie too bad uh sugar brown came to be so.
Thank you for your presence, sir um.
Where was i i digress.
I come back to um saying this so christine she weighs in, and everything like that.
Nobody knew who i was scrap book boxing good evening and peace good evening and peace um scrapbook boxing right thanks for thanks for chiming into the party.
We got some good people in the building right um.
We got scrapbook boxing about my father’s business.
We got carl w, we got um, i mean goodness it’s about to be lit um, who else we got.
We got money, brown, tv man, i’m so excited right now.
So um, like i said um you know i weighed in and you know i didn’t really.
Nobody knew who i was because it had been some time i had my son i’d move on.
I was a married woman and a mommy so um.
You know when i um walked to the ring and i stepped through the ropes and there wasn’t no headgear and the gloves were smaller.
I said: okay, this don’t feel the same right.
So you know i was like okay, you know, i’m still, you know who who is chris? Who is this girl christine? I’M i’m i’m too bad, i’m natalie too bad right child.
Let me tell you when christine threw the first punch and that wind went past my face.
I said oh this, for real for real, okay, so yeah.
That first round was me figuring out.
You know how to navigate how to get through this thing.
Referee wasn’t saying: stop stop every time like we were going at it and swinging and going at it now my my coach, my trainer at the time um carl w asking sugar.
What was your fight style, come forward fighter or worked off the back foot um? I had, let me tell you carl um, as i’m telling this story um.
I have been blessed tremendously to have some great trainers in my life um i mean to name them all.
I started off with um.
You know the the person who got me in in boxing olympic gold medal.
I’M sorry olympic, broad, bronze, medalist.
Chris johnson uh saw me as a scrappy young girl, uh in atlanta, and he told me he’s the first one to told me that i could do it.
And i believed him because he believed in me and he was an olympian and you know, fighters like vernon forrest.
Johnny gent was my trainer.
Johnny gantt was a top three internationally ranked welterweight at the time of sugar ray leonard and he fought sugar ray leonard um.
You know another uh, jerome coffee, you know top um top amateur and top pro fighter.
You know um uh, sir jay uh lit lit caught.
I could never say sir coach sergey’s last name he’s in ukraine right now, fighting for his country, um and and he he actually uh was a part of the usic camp.
You know, you think just became a heavyweight champion, so you know i’ve been so blessed.
So uh sugar style, uh boxer, puncher fighter.
I was tremendously strong for my weight.
I fought at junior junior welter super lightweight.
I have i’m five foot seven, but i got really long arms.
So my because i had such a uh long reach.
I was very deceptive.
My reach was the reach of a fighter who was about 5 10 right, so very deceptive.
You know i was going.
I was going to put my hands on you out in deep water um.
I was taught to dismantle a fighter, not just fight, but i was taught where to hit a fighter to um, to take them apart to take their bodies apart, so most of the fighters that i’ve ever fought, uh were – and i’m not saying this, as you know, Somebody i’m not tooting my own horn, but i was a fighter who ruined other fighters right.
So if, if you weren’t going to be ruined physically, because i i had a high knockout ratio ratio, you were going to be ruined mentally because when you fought sugar um, it wasn’t a good experience.
I i am hitting you in organs and in places that make you rethink, if you can uh actually do this boxing thing.
So you know that was the type of fighter.
I was, you know, crafty um, i i loved it.
I loved the bang, but sometimes i realized that banging wasn’t my or you know being a banger and sitting there and going that wasn’t my thing um i boxed you and broke you down and uh.
Sometimes it was a fight.
Sometimes it was clean boxing and then you know i i i hit hard.
You know my shots were hard, so um a lot like, i said a lot of my fight.
A lot of my opponents either quit or they were stopped, but you know that was me.
I had an excellent time.
I appreciate all the knowledge that was poured into me from my trainers from my sparring partners.
I sparred with a lot of great people a lot of top amateurs, a lot of top men because um you know i was the only girl in the kitchen at the time.
Aside from israel guerra, who was a a a world champion, she fought christy martin um, mitzi, jeter, uh, nina allen, um goodness, what’s goose’s um name uh, i forgot goose’s name, but you know she that they were all there.
I i um i trained with uh uh or sparred with a lot of great women too, that that were ahead ahead of me.
You know i was a young.
I was a young scrappy amateur at the time, trying to make my way and and trying to get my respect from even those gals from those broads.
And, ladies, so you know that’s that’s a bit of my story and i appreciate um.
You asking me that carl w um i worked on the back foot and the front foot.
I was versatile.
I just love to fight um right, so you know just finishing up the story about my first um experience as a pro that first round i’ll, never forget.
When i went back to the corner, jerome says what the what the are you doing you in there? You think you think this is amateurs you better get her to out of there.
I said what he said: this ain’t amateurs get her out of there, so i went out there and i realized okay, ref ain’t gon na stop me took it to the streets right.
So we were working on the post posted her up against the rope and fed her a couple of these bomb right hands and ended the fight, and that’s when i realized i mean she fell to her knees and started crying um after i did that and that Solidified it for me and made me realize that you know this pro game.
Ain’T, no joke! You got ta you! You know you got to be serious about what you’re gon na do in the ring and um.
You know it.
Only.
The strong will survive.
So you you got to prepare and take it seriously so um, you know uh talking about uh, i named some fighters who should have been featured on this mega card coming up.
You know um, like i said they should have had the contenders on the undercard.
Instead of having these um wet behind the ears, um amateurs coming in fighting 40 fighters, it doesn’t, it doesn’t help women’s boxing, it doesn’t show the depth, it doesn’t show our depth, you know and it it.
It shows that showing a bunch of um uh, inexperienced, professional women, uh, really uh chokes the potential right, the imagination of what the fans will know and see and think that’s out there right and – and we don’t want to do that because there’s a lot of bad Out here, okay, there’s a lot of baddies out here they didn’t even have to be amateurs.
They don’t have to have an amateur background.
There’S some girl there’s some women out here that scrap at bars in the parking lot in the backyard boxing in the basement.
Boxing right that do belong in the ring and do deserve a chance under the spotlight to show and to fight for these belts and to show the world that um.
You know there’s some good contenders out here and and and show the potential of what women uh boxers can do right.
Um, where, where were we um carl also says um? Is there work to be done in the u.
s in terms of exposure for female boxing? Of course, there’s work to be done, um in in the us in terms of exposure, but the thing is i my issue with the exposure thing is as women in women’s boxing.
We tend to think that mailboxing owes us something they owe us a spot on their cards.
They owe us a space on their.
You know on their promotions: um [, Music, ], goodness somebody came in with something what noel, uh, bastian pillia, hey sugar.
First time watching great show, thank you noel and thanks for chiming in uh yeah.
We we talking to talk tonight and, like i said, ask me anything uh first time watching your show.
I hope it’s not the last time watching the show.
Okay, all right so um.
Where was i? What was i saying you know this is? This is a spirit.
This is a uh spirited conversation right now, oh goodness, um.
Where were we um? Where were we all um exposure? Yes, so we don’t, i i don’t.
Mailboxing.
Doesn’T owe women’s boxing anything right that you know we stepped in the ring and we we got to sell ourselves just like them.
I believe um exposure is based on us as women boxers.
We have to find the platforms and the avenues that are going to feature us that are going to give us that you know that um that attention that we do need right, because women’s boxing is a boutique type of um type of sport right.
We have our own specific audience.
We have our own market that likes us right, just because you, like men’s boxing, doesn’t guarantee that you’re gon na, like women’s boxing, because we fight different right.
There are different things that you’re looking at when you when you see two broads in their fight right, you’re, not looking at the technicality right, because not many of us are great technical fighters, and not many of us have that pow.
You know that popping our punches.
That’S going to make the punch exciting a lot of a lot of it is based on skill and you’re, going to watch a full fight right now, the best fighter, the best women’s fighter in the world right now is um clarissa shields and clarissa shiels ain’t knocking Nobody out right, she she just she.
I think she has the potential, but she doesn’t have uh she’s, not putting her punches together right now to stop uh her opposition.
So her her punches, i mean her fights, are you know, long-winded but she’s still entertaining, because she has the iq to make the fight interesting and a bit exciting? Still, you know um exposure wise, like uh, you know we we’ve, like.
I said: we’ve got to market ourselves and it’s hard, i’m not going to say it’s easy, but it’s hard right.
So we we can’t be trying to get on mail promote.
We call.
We can’t be always trying to get on uh promotions that only feature males right.
You know you, you can’t expect that or you can’t force uh these promoters to do that.
We need people to promote us who actually like and appreciate us women boxers right.
We did not, oh you know, i i only promote, i’m i’ve only promoted male boxers but i’ll i’ll promote a few women because they seem to get some attention and make some money.
Now we don’t.
I we don’t need that.
We need people that are really focused on uh, growing and and helping us to evolve our sport.
Okay.
So that’s where you know: that’s where i am um with that and and the exposure um mike comes in uh, saying and nowadays women are using social media to capitalize on exposure yeah and that’s what i’m saying now.
Every broad is a star, and some of y’all broads ain’t that gal.
I said it right.
I wish i wish sugar was out there now to be honest, what a time to be a women’s boxer, what a time to be a women’s boxer, because i tell you a lot of us who, whose time has passed this would be this.
Would it would be a really great time for for the viewers and the fans because um we we weren’t into the pageantry and and we were the ones that trained hard and and fought hard? And you know we we was doing like um, like my girl um, like my girl and wolf, said i’ll fight that whole for a cheeseburger yeah.
We was on that right because i’m not saying that my my purses weren’t great.
It was the opportunities outside of the ring that made me money and that that gave me uh an opportunity to make a living to take care of myself and my family, okay, and it was hard um.
It was hard on on my marriage.
You know it was hard on uh me being a mom right, but i did it and – and it wasn’t a one-woman show it was.
It was everyone that that supported and helped sugar, and and that’s why i have so much love for everybody, good, bad and ugly right, because y’all made me who i am um, uh michael orr, also says, and what are your thoughts on women using their femininity and Sexuality to promote themselves hell yeah.
Well, like what do we have as women right now, i don’t i i don’t um, i’m not big on thirst, trapping and there’s a difference.
So mia saint john was the first thirst trapper and even though she could fight.
She was a tough broad and, i would even say she was a bit of a brat baddie, but when you you know when, when you skinning out all you know your sun, moon and stars in the playboy and then expected and and expect people to now, take You seriously, as a woman gladiator, it then starts to conflict on what it is that that you’re selling, what are you selling girl? Are you selling the poom poom, or are you selling that you a bad broad in there or are you both? You know, because you could be both right, so um, i’m not even going to lie.
I think the next.
I think the next thirst trap is we’re going to have a porn star, slash boxer coming.
I i’m not going.
Let’S keep it 100 um! I’M sorry! If we go, i’m sorry if we talk and fight sorry guys if sugar got too real, but you know there, there is the there is the element of first trapping in in women’s boxing and a lot of these broads are doing it.
I’M not calling no names but you’ll see it.
You know um, you know they got, they tickled bitties out at the weigh-in, you know and they got the silicones.
You know stuff like that and, like i said, do what you got do what you got to do, but you make sure when you get in that, damn ring make sure your ass can fight, make sure that you’re not doing it and you think that somebody’s going To throw you a bone, because you know you you gave us a you gave us a little freaky peep show that’s not what it is in there.
That’S not what it is in there.
It’S real in there you get head butted, you get an elbow, you getting hurt and the potential of you getting hurt in there is real.
Okay, the sexuality thing too.
You know girls, kissing boys, girls, kissing girls.
You know i mean that if whatever it is to to reel a person in fine, but don’t don’t think that your thirst is gon na, make you a real contender, you still got ta know how to fight, and you still got ta earn the respect in there From your peers, okay, um, you know far less talented.
Women are champions right now.
Why? Because you know they can afford to buy the belt right in women’s boxing.
You really don’t look at the belt.
Look at the broad right who’s on her skid row.
Is it a bunch of 4 and 40 fighters, or has she fought some solid women who who actually have fought you know and and have achieved uh a couple things right? So that’s what you got to look at in women’s boxing um uh, michael orr um, also says it’s evolving every day, with every fight with every card, with every every belt.
Yeah it’s evolving every day, but they handing out belts like they doing trick or treat candy, and i don’t.
I don’t appreciate that um.
A lot of this is the next best, and this is the next best.
Please you’re the next best when you fight somebody when you fight and somebody if you’re, not fighting nobody who are you, you know what i’m saying if you haven’t made a name for yourself who are you? Sugar made a name for herself in the emmys and she came to the pros and she did what she could do right.
I was avoided big time in the pros, because my reputation from amateurs preceded itself, i would have loved to been fighting right now right because i would have stepped to everybody like i was trying to before.
You know there is some great opposition out there and uh.
You know the the the sharks in the water to me, the sharks in the water right now and ain’t as scary as what they used to be.
I ain’t even gon na lie because the sharks in the water that you would get before um would have a ugly ass record, and you know you still can’t take them lightly, because there are a lot of a lot of these great contenders used to get raw Deals, you know you go to somebody’s backyard and, and you you lose even though you won the fight right, so it was more.
You know it was realer out there to me than now.
Now, a lot of these champions they’re really skipping over uh, proper opposition and proper contenders heads to fight four and forty tomato can contenders, and it’s not right, but it’s up to y’all.
As you know, the fans y’all my misfits my people that chime in that take interest to to really call these hoes and on on what they doing.
You know, and i call them hoes because you know you can’t put boxing is boxing.
Is one game you? It ain’t go up.
You ain’t gon na pimp it it’s gon na pimp, you, okay, yeah boxing been around for decades and centuries.
Okay, it’s been done by better.
Okay, so don’t think you can hold uh pimp this game, because it’s going to pimp your ass you’re going, you will be a hoe um uh, let’s see uh uh [, Music, ] uh mike comes in uh it uh saying i guess it really depends on what The consumer is buying, it really does depend on what the consumer is buying right but, like i said you better stick to your story because that consumer gon na want you to pay up.
So if you, if you selling sex you, you got ta, you got ta, sell that sex in the ring and out the ring.
If you selling that you’re a fighter, then fight in the ring, as well as fighting outside the ring, be about your business um about my father’s business comes in.
Maybe some big endorsement deals like reebok adidas for women’s boxing with commercials um.
You know i i agree about my father’s business with you dropping that insight, but a lot of those uh bigger name companies they’re.
They really aren’t interested in putting um a female boxer on that on their platform or putting them out there right now for that um, like i said, look at clarissa shields.
They talk about the girl is not marketable and everything like that, but okay, savannah marshall.
You know none of these broads have gotten these those type of endorsements from reebok and adidas, because um to be honest, they they don’t.
They don’t believe in that market.
They don’t believe that women’s boxing can pull enough of a market or appeal to enough of a market to where they can invest, or they should invest that type of money into um, highlighting that sport and and – and i agree right now with the amount of thirst Trapping and with the amount of paddington records and with the amount of you know, um uh um and i i would say false potential because we really don’t know aside from clarissa shields, like um here by day, gone by night.
A lot of these women ain’t sticking around you know that a lot of these uh look at nicola adams.
I mean she got injured, but she gold medalists in and right out.
You know what i’m saying like they they’re not building, they don’t build them like they used to right, they’re, not building them like that.
They were back in the day when, when the the older fighters uh like like suge and them christy, martin layla, you know um and – and i don’t even samaya on anani.
You know these are names that y’all wouldn’t even know right now for dia gibbs, um uh, eva jones, eva uh, black magic, young jones, young uh, jackie nava.
You know a lot of these lara serrano and not she not even related to the serrano sisters, chevelle halbach.
All of these broads men – and they still some of them, are still around chevelle is they are avoiding chevelle because chevelle is an old cra she’s, a crone in this game, but she’s still dangerous um and nobody wants to get beat up by old crone.
That’S the thing right so nobody’s trying to try.
They luck.
Michael orr says about my father’s business.
I think the big endorsement deals and the companies that represent them are too afraid or don’t see enough profit margins for them to start doing women’s boxing yep.
That’S what i said you know the market ain’t big enough for them to risk it right.
They just now started really focusing on track and field for for women yeah.
So i mean as much as we think that we think oh we, it deserves all of the attention and all the money now um until we start uh until we can start uh carrying our own stage it can it ain’t gon na happen realistically, like you know, I, the amanda serrano versus katie, taylor fight.
I mean it was all right.
It was all right, it was okay, but i wasn’t excited about that.
It was a glorified amateur match.
If you asked me, you know i’m hearing people talking about.
Oh they’re beasts, them two are beasts, i’m sorry baby.
I can’t call no point fighter a beast.
I’M talking i need i’m like mike.
I need to see broads getting slumped.
Then you get my money.
Then you become a beast and there are broads out there slumping other broads, just because katie taylor and amanda serrano lucked out they got.
They won the women’s boxing lottery and they got two great promoters that came together and rented out the madison square garden and put them on a show.
Don’T don’t mean that they, the best and baddest out there katie taylor has gotten a lot of gifts and amanda serrano’s record is paddington paddingment, okay and until she fights you know, i mean uh.
Dahania santana gave her problems right and and dahania santana is a.
Is a journey room woman? Her record is ugly yeah, so um that you know um michael orr says women.
Boxing has only been recognized by the olympic committee for 10 years.
It’S still in its infancy, yeah, it’s still in this infancy.
Um and like i said, can you name the name me the women who named me some women who won the last olympics, tell me their names.
You know what i’m saying like they’re, not they’re, not drawing that much okay, women’s great women’s boxing are in the olympics.
Now and it’s good, but you know um, it’s it’s it’s a different animal, like i said, amy’s and pros are different.
I i don’t like to talk much about the amateur game, because the amateur game is already set.
You know they they already.
They already have a stage in the platform now and a lot of them walk around like oh, they good um, they better than the pro women well bring your ass, bring your ass over this side.
Take the headgear off put on the made out gloves fight.
Some of these real broads out here some of these real crones out here, let’s see how good you are: okay, take the chance right quit fighting these 4 and 40 fighters, since you so good, and since you so bad and step up to some of us step Up to us crohn’s that been out here licking our chops for the opportunity that you have served on the silver platter.
You know what i’m saying.
So you know that’s, that’s it.
You know.
That’S the chat, um uh, scrapbook boxing comes in.
You have an old school attitude.
That’S my conversation, love your direct persona.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Scrapbook boxing, i’m i i have to say that um i i i’m old school because i came up and i i came up old school.
I came up uh under the guise and under the the mentorship of some real, some real men in the game, and they they they told they not.
Even they not only showed me where i was, but you know i had to.
I had to prove my worth in that in that circle.
You know what i’m saying.
Well, i am i’m totally honored that i had you know: fighters like vernon forrest, paul williams, robert allen, those guys looked at me as a little sister like i said chris johnson um o’neil bell.
Can you imagine like these? Were some steve cunningham, the sims twins? You know the my kitchen was hot okay, cedric boswell, who was a great heavyweight contender like these guys were in the gym, and they didn’t look at me as no hot piece of ass.
They looked at me as this scrappy ass young uh, young lady young girl, uh, trying to prove herself and – and you know they pat me on the back when i needed and and they you know, they pressed me when i, when, when i needed to be pressed Out too, you know, so that’s why i have this old school attitude and and and and and that’s why i have such an appreciation for the game.
I have such respect uh for for my male counterparts that um have given.
Ladies, like me, a chance to to get in there and and try and – and you know, um by no means was it ever easy right.
I’Ve gotten my ass whooped several low times, okay, but i always came back and showed up and i learned from it and the thing about that.
Is that that’s what that’s? What gains you? The respect? You know the the the fact that you know you, you show them that you got hard because heart ain’t, nothing that you can thirst trap for ain’t.
Nothing you could buy heart is something that you you.
You gain and grow um within this game.
Um [, Music, ] uh, michael orr, says women have been boxing for as long as the sport has existed.
Events uh of women entering the ring go back to the 18th century yeah.
So we’ve been been doing this.
Okay, he’s right: it’s just that um we we weren’t promoted right and the way we were promoted.
Um women were all women, have been second-class citizens in this world and let’s call the thing a thing you know, so we had to fight a lot of things outside the ring and outside of boxing just two box and we have to um.
We we have to keep that in in in perspective and keep that in mind in in where things are now.
Okay, um, michael orr, says what i’m talking about is infancy.
I mean commercially accepted yeah you’re right, michael orr, says what are your thoughts on ramallah ali? So we’re gon na get to that um.
Let’S see, we got some guys chiming in omar omar comes in hey, what’s up bruh uh real beasts are able to break down their opponents without the use of an external factor equals the ref.
Oh, so, oh so you studying, oh, so you studying, okay, okay, um, that also to everyone.
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I love you all chiming in um, uh, uh, michael you, you dropped some names here.
You know, but i ain’t really gon na say speak these names because um they ain’t got to the 10 mark.
Yet, okay and they ain’t fought nobody in and they with a pretend mark for me to speak.
They name.
So you know it is what it is.
Um now we’re going.
I’M gon na talk about um this ramallah ali, so ramallah ali is a time sub 10 fighter, but i’m bringing her up because um her her record is actually seven wins, two losses and she has two kos.
She recently uh made history as um her and um crystal garcia, uh nova uh became the first two women to ever have a professional fight or to ever have fought professionally in saudi arabia.
Now you know, that’s big big! It’S been a year since i think the women in afghanistan had to go back to covering up, and you know they took them out of schools and everything so uh.
You know from one extreme to the next.
You got now uh women in the boxing ring, throw in blows, so i mean that.
That’S that’s great.
That’S great! That’S great uh, mike orr says you asked me the name girls from the olympics of medals, michael orr.
I asked you that because – and i asked everybody that, because um unless you – google them names – ain’t, none of them, none of them really generated any excitement like that.
You know: clarissa shields generated excitement.
Mary spencer generated excitement, okay, um.
These are women that you know.
You think uh amateur boxing that their stories come to mind because they had stories at the time.
You know queen underwood.
You know um like these, the these women and not because it was first, but you know they it.
It was just they they generated.
They they pulled the attention uh of people during that, their their their their journey to the olympics right uh, these co, these broads that you know was, was at the olympics right in past olympics.
The only one that um and yes i may get real messy on here, the only one that um really came to mind was virginia fudge or um yeah.
I don’t want to say it bad, but yeah and y’all know why y’all know why her name came up and if you don’t know why i’ma tell you why so her drug test came back dirty and she went and said she told him about.
She said that her um drug test came back because her boyfriend was taking bad sub band substances and she got it through her interactions with him.
Now, that’s a story girl just gone into porn and um, bring it back to the ring.
That’S all i got to say i’m sorry, i did i’m a woman behaving badly on here and i’m sorry, not sorry so yeah girl, virginia yeah and she’s on the undercard she’s actually on the undercard for the for this mega fight, so yeah girl.
But i i’ve never heard such a story and i didn’t even know you could.
I didn’t even know i i i behaved badly in the bed too, but i didn’t know your drug test could come out dirty um by ingesting um, certain certain fluids, and that’s all i got to say about that.
So yes, back to ramallah, ali, so ramallah, ali um became you know.
She just made history, and i i got ta give.
I got ta give some great credit to um crystal gr, garcia nova, because somebody somebody had to be the opponent or somebody had to help um ramla ali get um make history and she did – and i appreciate that now um you know ramla ali is from mogadishu.
Somalia, if you all don’t know about mongadishu, let me tell you um day out did that she she was born in war times.
So this girl ain’t, no like she.
She ain’t, no softy.
She came up in times where you know they were blowing up things around her.
I think her brother died in the war.
Her young brother died as a casualty.
You know um in the in in the war and he was a child, so she, you know she’s she’s, she’s she’s.
Her beginnings are, are, quite you know: um uh, profound, okay um, so she became a refugee and uh.
She went to england and um became british okay uh enrique, enrique luna comes in september 10th, london, i’m wondering shout out women’s headliner shields and ner.
I think you meant mayor yeah.
That’S september 10th.
It looked like y’all, um yeah, shout out these women on this big card.
Um, like i said you know, i’m looking forward to how they how they um show up that night.
I want to see some.
I want to see some some broads getting slumped or some some bras getting folded right, because that’s what we showed up for everybody, yeah, so um back to ramla, ali, so yeah, you know, refugee um went to went to britain.
Um became the first person uh to win an african boxing title amateur boxing title also being an international gold medalist.
So she’s done some big things um in representing because um she decided to uh change over and instead of representing britain, she changed over to represent her country, somalia, being the first um african women, woman or somalian woman, to do that and being the first african woman To actually um perform on the olympics, uh is.
It became the first.
No.
She became the first somalian woman to perform on an olympic stage, so she was she’s done big things for africa and that’s why i’m highlighting her um.
She she helps somalia’s boxing federation.
She helped to set up somalia’s boxing federation – that’s huge.
That means they respect her enough to give her a part in establishing that industry in that country, and that’s fantastic.
That’S that i mean that’s opening the door for many other women in other um.
In other facets of boxing to step up and have a place – and so i respect her big time for that um.
She – she was the first uh somalian woman to represent um the the country at the women’s world championships right.
So sugar was the first um woman to represent uh the her my my uh ancestor, my family’s country of jamaica at the world championships, got the silver medal.
You know and and um i i have to say you know it was that that the story of that was a great story in itself.
Um, maybe i’ll tell you a little bit about that another time uh, but you know that sugar’s memoirs.
The book is coming out soon, so you know look out for that.
Um and i’m saying this.
You know about uh ramallah, ali, a lovely assistant uh.
Do you have any uh clips of of what she did um scrapbook boxing comes in.
I got ta run queen sugar piece, i uh subbed and rang the belt.
Thank you baby.
Thank you scrapbooking.
Yes, you have a good weekend.
Baby and i’ll.
See you next wednesday, if not drop back around here, um i’ll be looking for your face in the place.
Mwah, okay, so um, yes, uh, ramallah ali.
I think i have a clip if not okay, i’m gon na, say this ramla ali um, okay, look like we do have a clip.
Ramla ali stopped um crystal uh, garcia, nova uh in the first round with a body shot.
She knocked the mouthpiece out of crystal’s mouth and then followed up with a body shot and um crystal immediately dropped down to her knees.
Now i’ve got an issue with that.
I don’t mind and – and i and i think it’s great – that ram la ali got in there and she performed like that.
But uh um crystal had a padded record number one um number two crystal went in there.
Acting like an opponent, you know um.
I was the first me i was the first woman to box in japan and nobody knows that me and fujian.
Rika me versus fujin raikko was the first uh women’s boxing fight in the country of japan ever so yeah.
I made history in another country too right, but you know they pulled my card.
I was a legitimate contender.
Flew 12 hours over um had jet lag.
All of that.
You know.
Um stayed in a little whole house over there, but they treated me nice.
You know but yeah they treated me like a like a pretty.
They treat they treated me like a journey woman, but i went in there and i took my my chances fighting fujin.
I should have stopped her.
I didn’t what i did was.
I i wanted to give japan a performance to show them how great women’s boxing and women’s boxers were, and you know i got.
I believe i got robbed of a decision it’s out here on the net uh.
It’S called unbelievable judgment and it came out in the newspapers.
Even the newspapers said that you know they didn’t think fujin got that that that win, but it is what it is.
You know that’s why i’m here to tell my story, um, that you know when you’re making such a a big statement in in in the history of the sport and the history of your country, you can’t you can’t bring out a sub quality opponent to do so.
You are an olympic level athlete you got to bring somebody out.
That’S a bit live.
You know, yeah, you! You got to know that there’s a chance that there’s there’s a great chance that you can beat this contender, not opponent, contender.
Now, because you’re doing something great, you don’t bring a ca, you don’t bring a con, a tomato can or a 40 fighter on the stage with you when you’re about to do something: legendary you’re, cheap.
In the moment nah i mean, like you, don’t do that right! You you bring a contender, you bring somebody, that’s gon na make your name with that too, and and then y’all perform right.
So that’s what i had to say about that.
So i mean people were you know.
People are amazed about that knockout, but was that a real knockout? You know what i’m saying yeah she stopped that girl.
Fine.
Now i’m saying this ramla ali, who is seven wins um.
Oh seven wins two losses and uh zero draws two by ko.
Now you coming out there and you knocking broads out like that now you got a story that you got ta stick to.
Oh, so you knocking broads out out here now these other.
You know it’s going to be.
How are you going to keep proving that as you climb the ranks? How are you going to keep showing how spectacular you are while finding better quality opponents? I think you would have been better off by out boxing a great quality contender.
Instead of you know, picking a low quality up, uh, padded opponent and doing this, because now this is who i’m measuring you up against okay, baby.
This is this is who you got to start doing this against uh.
You know synesia estrada because you’re super you’re banning weight to super bantamweight.
So you know synesia estrada is in your weight class baddie.
I want to see you do that.
I want to see you do that leading up to synesia estrada.
I want to see you call out and since the estrada now you so bad, you knocking people out right you on that level.
Right, i want to see you do that or i want to see if you can out box synesia estrada right, because a lot of these ramallah ali look at her check that check her record right, they’re moving her nicely, but at the end of the day you Got to be real in the field, you got to be real in that ring.
Okay, you got to be tough.
You got to take and give i haven’t even seen.
Ramla get get touched up enough to say.
Well, you know she she she’s she’s, durable enough to to to go with some of these tuffys.
I mean i wouldn’t even mind her watching her or seeing if she would fight on marla esparza.
You know even though mar les bars, i can’t bust a grape, but you know these are the contenders now that you’re going after hun right, so you you know you got to make a story.
You got to build up now to where you’re calling these broads out, because the days of old those days are over, where um like how christy, martin and lucia ryker never fought each other like how leila ali and and and wolf never fought each other right.
Somebody was a punk in in in the in in those situations we don’t know who right, but we can we.
If we look at the records we can figure out, who you know i mean but um.
You know what i’m saying those days are done and we’re.
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