Contender Contention | The Sugar Show with Natalie Brown | Talkin Fight
EPISODE: Episode 8
Contender Contention | The Sugar Show with Natalie Brown | Talkin Fight
As always Natalie discusses her point of view on the state of women’s boxing and the contenders that fight for glory in the ring.
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[, Music, ], hey you guys! Well, it’s wednesday and it’s 7 30, or at least close at 7, 30.
and you’re here tonight with sugar, natalie, sugar brown and it’s the sugar show right now: okay, so tonight uh on wednesday at 7, 30, always every week, uh when you show up you are Here talking with natalie sugar brown about women’s boxing, yes, okay and so uh, the sugar show natalie sugar brown show is up my platform, natalie sugar brown to uh talk about and give everyone the an authentic uh perspective of a a woman boxer such as myself.
My i am uh natalie.
They call me miss too bad and sugar.
I have been an elite women’s boxer for a very long time, i’m a crone in the game now, and so this is my platform to talk about uh women’s boxing.
Give back um give some insight to what goes on in the world of women, woman pugilist.
So let’s talk the talk tonight um, so the the the title of the show is um contender, contention and um it it.
It just goes so deep because you know sugar when i think about these titles, i think about um.
You know what what is it? What’S the point, what do these things mean? Contender contention uh contender, meaning that it’s any uh baddie out there any broad that uh is capable of stepping up to the plate to become champ, stepping up to the champ and trying the champ and sometimes taking that title from the champ okay.
So that contention is always the the uh, the understanding that uh ain’t no seats reserved for the champ.
Okay, you you got to fight and you got to stay sharp, especially when you on top, especially when you’re the queen uh you.
You got to stay sharp because there’s always a contender in contention for your spot and your title.
Okay, but first last week i mentioned um that i would talk about a fighter on my skid row and – and i got ta do her.
I do i got ta.
Do right by her because uh, as i said before, it seems like she feels like she has been slighted in in her go or in her attempt, as a contender in in in the industry of women’s boxing and and our face off.
Um didn’t end well for her um, so this spider, her name, is tammy johnson, okay, a lovely assistant um.
Do you have uh any uh images that i can share of this body? Okay, then? Yes, so you guys are looking at uh, tammy, tasmanian, devil, johnson, okay, and i really appreciate uh that tammy had dropped in.
She had dropped in and left the comment and she she made.
She made some statements um from her perspective, of of what happened when, when um we, when she was around in boxing because she’s now, retired and and um how our face off went so she mentioned um, she says i have to push back a little.
She said the less talented female boxers have no business fighting the champs, but they have no choice and uh.
You said it tammy, you’re, right, uh, the the less talented females have no business fighting the champs, but guess what um? The the the talent there’s no uh standard of determining what the talent is out there out here, and i want to tell you that um, even though you felt like um you weren’t a champion or or that you weren’t a a worthy contender, you absolutely were a Worthy contender when, when you first came out on the scene, you you were performing well, like i said before, we were all concerned about tasks coming through, because um tammy johnson’s style was she’s a she was a banger okay and uh.
Not only was she a banger, was she a banger, but she wasn’t scared the bang, okay uh.
She she was stepping forward and she was stepping to you and then she put her hands on you and she got you into a a brawl.
Then you know it.
She was better at that brawling than a lot a lot of or most other fighters, okay, and so that was her style.
You look at her.
You know um.
She she was a short stocky uh built fighter very strong.
Just like the tasmanian devil, i would say um she was she.
She was a skilled, banger, okay, so she took her time and she put punches together and, like i said, you have to be careful uh to not get into a banging match with tammy johnson, because she she would clip you okay, now i’ll say this too, to To um to what tammy has said where the the last talented have no business fighting the champs, i i don’t think it’s a matter of less talent.
I think it’s a matter of less experience right.
I believe – and i i totally agree if this is what you meant tammy – that the less experienced fighters have no business fighting the champions.
Why, like i said you know, uh you got ta, you got ta figure out who you are in there right.
The champ has assumed, like you, have to assume that the champ knows who she she is in the ring she.
She knows what she’s doing.
That’S, why she’s the champ right so uh there.
There are no excuses for the champ.
There may be excuses for the contender, but not the champ, okay and and that’s what a lot of people don’t realize with uh now getting in that that that sitting on that throne, as the queen, okay and and and being the champ there are no excuses.
You got to be owned all the time own, like butter on popcorn butter on popcorn, like they say in the south, okay, so yeah you got to be on when you’re the champ.
The contender has a bit more leeway in in in her climb, because um [, Music ], you know she’s trying she has really nothing to lose.
The champ has everything to lose.
She has her reputation.
She has her titles.
She has her validity in a sense um to lose, because you know we no one wants no one wants to get their their titles and their belts taken goodness.
So i i don’t know if my mic you around, if it ain’t the sirens, we we got hot rods around here, i’m out there once again, i’m on tour for a little bit.
So i’m out here, uh in the countryside and and in the country they like big, loud engines that, like to rev their engines, so michael orr chimes in hey mike wow.
That’S a different noise, never heard that one before well, yeah that that one that was uh some kind of hot rod out there and the engine was ridden down here in the south they’d like for you to hear their car before you see it, okay, so um! That’S what it is right now: that’s the aesthetic mic! Okay enjoy it enjoy it um michael orr says you must be keeping low key.
Since we haven’t heard any signs right, yeah yeah, i’m low-key yeah.
I don’t want nobody to find me right now.
I’M out here in the in the countryside, sitting in the rocking chair, cooling out, okay, but back to tammy, johnson, okay, so um yeah, like i said you know it’s, it’s not a matter of um.
Let a talent, i believe everyone’s talented in their own right.
The experience is the thing right because um a lot of the time, so you know there’s been really hot talk about this journey woman thing most journey.
Women are not as talented as you may think, but guess what they last the whole fight.
They rarely get stopped.
If you know, if you don’t notice right, i’m gon na enlighten you right.
They ain’t gon na get tko they’re, not gon na get ko, because if they get ko, they go into suspension and they don’t get paid for a good some of the months.
Okay, so they’ll make sure that they stay in there and they shuck and jive, and they give and take and blocking up so they can fight another day.
So ain’t, nobody, whooping upside, no journey woman’s head.
Okay, a a of a contender now who’s who’s.
Actually going for that title going to take that champion’s title she may have more to lose.
Oh, we got somebody women’s boxing channel sitting in my rocking chair cooling out.
That’S right! Thanks for chiming in women’s boxing channel yeah um yeah yeah sugar’s, a country girl at heart, so yeah – i i i i i had i just had to um uh michael orr said: all you need is a picture of iced tea.
You said it: didn’t you a pic a nice cool picture of ice tea or mint julep? Yes, yes, yeah a picture of iced tea, yeah michael you said it right.
So um and listen.
I ain’t the one for spell checking.
I know what you’re talking about.
So yeah mike orr says uh.
All i need is a picture of ice tea and, like i said either that or some mint julep and i’m good okay.
Yes, i’m a southern girl at heart, okay, so um yeah.
So the experience is the key to getting in there and, like i said, the contender now she’s gon na go for it.
She’S gon na press she’s gon na take risks that maybe she shouldn’t take, which would most likely now land her in a dangerous position where she’s getting some blows, that she’s not going to be able to recover from uh and and and may even put her in The hospital, so that’s how that works right.
A journey woman like i said, she’s made that silent agreement.
Yes, you will win.
Yes, i will make you look good, yeah i’ll stay in there and i’ll dance with you.
However many rounds we dance in, but you, the winner, champ a contender, is i’m here to take your title, i’m here to take your o, okay, i’m here to let you know that i’m the one i’m the one! That’S gon na! Stop what you got going on baby? Okay, so there there’s a different mentality of of um opposition with the opposition that gets in there with uh the champs and the contenders, okay and the journey women.
So i wanted to make that clear.
Okay, um timmy also said um.
You know the the the fighters who are less experienced or the fighters who are less talented, um fight who are who they are offered.
They have no choice: yeah and no okay.
You are gon na get ain’t.
Nobody gon na give you uh a good deal and, and it’s it just is what it is right.
You you’re you coming in and, and you don’t have a backer and you’re just you know, you’re you’re begging for somebody to give you an opportunity to try to beat them right because the journey women they they want money right.
You want me to get in there and fight you um uh.
I want money, uh women’s boxing channel.
Let’S talk about chantelle cameron versus uh, kelly reyes, damn that’s a shocker going for undisputed huh knew it would be a match, but i was sure it was going to be just for cameron’s belts.
Now i i beg to differ on women’s boxing channel.
I believe the match coming up, it’s going to be november 5th is chantal cameron versus jessica, mccaskill and yeah.
I got you.
It’S sit, sit tight, baby um, the the sugar got, a sugar got a dresser, some things, okay, but but but i got you, we won’t talk to talk.
Okay, all right, hang tight, now, um yeah, so you’re, not you’re.
Gon na get the poopy end of the stick: okay, ain’t: nobody going you’re somebody coming out, you don’t have a name.
You don’t have no money to back you, you don’t have no money to buy no journey woman fighter, so you’re not going to get anyone.
Looking at you to say: oh, let’s fight, unless you know they know, they’re gon na beat you so that’s where you have no choice and and and you’ve got ta you’ve got ta.
Take that risk more so, okay, um you’ve got to take that risk.
More so and um you got to put your life on the line and that’s how that works.
Uh people out there and tammy, unfortunately, that that’s just how it is.
When you get out the gate um, she says you were two weight classes above me and i hadn’t fought in a couple years: um tony’s reviews come in.
I really hate uh mcnaughton mcnose skills, fighting type she’s, literally a rock’em sock’em robot, zero talent and zero skills.
How she wins is beyond me, tony so y’all just want listen! Y’All ain’t going y’all ain’t gon na make me have to skip over my girl, tammy y’all gon na hear about tammy, because, yes, we gon na talk about this okay um.
So a women’s boxing channel comes back in what i meant was that it’s a shocker race is vacating and cameron is fighting mccaskill, so it uh.
That is a shocker.
That is surprised for me that race is vacating.
I didn’t hear that she was vacating um.
I know she was sitting on that belt for as long as she could and she even turned into an actress and and supposedly she had health issues um.
So i suppose they pressed her um, but i did not hear officially that she vacated that title so um you uh bring me some.
You know um hit me with some some more facts on that.
So, going back to tammy tammy said i was two weight classes above her tammy johnson.
I want to tell you baby girl.
You fought between the weights of 132 pounds to um 144 pounds.
Okay, um we, our fight, was, i was 144 pounds and i think you were 142.
okay, baby um uh you you got to you got to not be so sore um about my father’s business.
Coming back in well, look at you, um creeping in hello, natalie! Okay, hello, my father’s business, i’m glad that you creeping back in uh good to know that you you coming back and making your uh face present or making yourself present in the space.
Much appreciated, okay, yeah chime on in so yeah.
We got women’s boxing channel talking with, i mean it’s a hot topic tonight.
We’Re talking about the hot topic.
Tonight is um chantel cameron and jessica, mccaskill um, fighting, okay and the the the thing is that um there was a tournament uh that happened uh previously and and these women this is a junior welterweight, um dispute or contention, and the women um fought.
Chantel cameron, um beat uh mary mcgee and um cali rays beat a game, uh, jessica, camara and um.
Some of us who are present know about some jessica mc camara.
Don’T they very personally so um jessica, uh camara did a very good job against uh cali race.
Cali rays thought she was gon na, come and and – and you know, look good against jessica and jessica took her ass to the cleaners last night.
Didn’T she all that night? Didn’T she all? Yes, i mean personally, i don’t like the broad, but i got ta respect the broad for for stepping in cali ray’s chest like that, so good on you, jessica, kamara um.
You did make a good showing that night and cali rays.
I i would say arguably people said that uh camaro won that fight, but i still gave it to um cali reyes, because cali ray’s had the belt okay and you got to put you got to put the champ on her ass a couple times or you.
You got to make it real real um you you got to make it very apparent that i’m beating this broads ass before you, you get a a title or you win a title right because, like i said before – and i always say this titles are bought they’re, Not won okay um, there are some.
There are some circumstances where um you just the the champ just get her ass whooped like look at what baum gardner did with uh harper and knocked her ass, clean uh.
She was doing the stanky leg in there right.
So i mean you, you had to give you had to give bum gardner um that that win, but if, if harper, had it in her to stay on her feet, that entire fight, that would have been a clear robbery.
Okay, so that it just is what it is when, when you’re about to fight the champ, you got to know that you you going in for you going in for blood you’re going in to to kill the queen, kill the queen yeah you’re, not going in to Make it for a decision now um.
Let me finish up with tammy johnson y’all.
I got ta give my girl her due okay um.
Her skid row includes molly mcconnell twice.
She fought that killer.
She fought rita, uh, figuero, okay.
I think she fought her twice too.
Okay, so i mean this four five and two fighter: she she had some.
She she had some pretty good experience.
She and she fought some killers: okay, uh natalie, uh, being one of them.
Natalie sugar, brown, uh, miss too bad being one of them.
She said i hadn’t fought in three years.
Well guess what boo boo i hadn’t fought in three years either and i gave i thought it was a a fair opportunity for both of us to get in there and um take our chances.
Okay, um, both of us.
I had about that.
We we had about the same statistics, the same record and i’m surprised that you still crying about that.
But you know don’t no need to cry you.
You put up a good showing baby right.
It’S just like i said some people have good days at the office.
Some people have bad days at the office um.
She said: um, [, Music, ], no one notices the four five and two boxer okay, she’s saying no one put her in the hall of fame uh.
No one talks about her you’d be surprised who talks about you, tammy johnson.
I talk about you.
I i every chance i get.
I i tell people because you’re part of my skid row and, like i said you are a badass and i’m proud that we fought and i’m proud that i had the better day at the office.
It doesn’t take away from your value and your validity you’re awesome.
That’S why you’re here on my show, i’m not ashamed of nothing.
We did and you shouldn’t be ashamed either you gave right, i absorbed a couple shots from you right and i gave some shots right.
That you took off of me all right and we put on a damn good, showing at the hershey center that night and guess what arguably they said.
That was the female fight of the year.
But that’s what you didn’t know: okay, now um all right.
So we we, we got some people wanting to jump into the talk, so, let’s jump into the talk.
Okay, i am excited y’all about this chantel cameron versus jessica, mccaskill fight.
I i think this might have said this.
This one right here might have stole the show right because i mean yeah clarissa shields versus savannah marshall.
That’S good, but you know, let’s keeping it interesting.
Now we got jessica mccaskill who, like um women’s, who was it that said it tony’s reviews.
Let me see who said tony’s review said it jessica, mccaskill messed around and beat um and beat who is it uh? So how can i forget, cecilia brackhouse, and took all her damn titles – cecilia breakhouse, had them titles for 10 years or so yeah.
She paid her money and she kept them titles and she bought some good opposition to keep those titles, and here come jessama, jessica, mccaskill, windmilling her way through and took them john’s off her, and i always – and i just keep saying this – that was the fight that Uh, cecilia braca’s, ass, actually won.
I actually did give her that that fight she.
She did a good job, fighting mccaskill.
She kept her off and she kept it clean because the mccaskill i fought her right it.
It gets real dirty in there and – and you know, and mccaskill did a a a very good job in in defending against mccaskill but uh as you all can see, because we haven’t heard we haven’t heard nor seen nothing from cecilia brey cause since the the the Rematch uh her it looked like her money ran low and she she ain’t got no more money: bad lady, okay.
She moving from place to place to try trying to trying to get back on.
Okay, so yeah.
I know it’s a stab at her, but they call we.
We call in her the bag, lady now because she’s trying to find a home she’s trying to find a promoter she’s trying to find somebody who will believe in her again to put that money up.
So she can get those belts back, but baby you’re long in the tooth.
Now you you up there, you are crowned you you, you are solid, crone now and you lost your belts and when, when you’re a crone and you’ve lost your belts, like that, it’s gon na it’s very hard for you to get uh people to put that money.
That real money behind you to to regain any type of titles – okay and – and that’s just the heartbreaking thing about uh boxing as a whole, especially women, the women’s boxing industry um, so yeah um.
This fight is coming up.
So uh i mean women’s boxing channel is chiming in chiming in uh, saying this uh this.
What is being said, and who’s going and gone and who’ll come out on top prezik versus mcgee camara, vs, rey, reyes, mccaskill and cameron will win against leonardo and okay.
I mean these are all contenders that you’re naming okay and um.
You know it sounds like things should be busy like that, but don’t know don’t nothing move but the money in this game, and i want you to understand that women’s uh boxing channel um eddie hearn, is the only uh promoter right now.
That’S putting that money behind these girls and these girls they got to come in with their own backers too, and, as i’ve said before, jessica mccaskill has got some money behind her.
Okay, somehow she she she’s got a good uh she’s got a good support system.
She got some people who will pay that sanctioning fee and will pay for her to keep those belts.
Okay and so that’s.
What’S going on um prazik versus mcgee, so mcgee’s is out here in limbo.
Right now, and – and i wanted to mention this a little later but i’ll say this now – mary mcgee – i wish i had a picture of her up, but i don’t i didn’t plan on really getting this deep into the conversation, because the topic just came up, but Mary mcgee um is a great contender: okay, uh she, she was holly holm’s last fight, a young uh young um spitfire of a woman; okay.
Well, not young she’s, she’s approaching crone ship, if not into chrome, she’s approaching crone ship, okay and um she’s been around for for a while.
I i actually wanted to fight mary mcgee as well, but our past never crossed i i didn’t um.
She wasn’t on my radar as hard as like the the um bray, cuss and and um some other can cali raise was on my radar, but um cali rays, actually um offered uh came and knocked on my my door long after kind of kind of when you Know i was deciding that i was gon na make my exit.
You know um about a year or two after inactivity, and i was like you know what baby girl, i’m not playing this game.
You’Re going um contact me to fight you after you know, i haven’t had a fight for like two years a year and a half, and you want to contact me two weeks notice at that girl gone.
So that’s where i was with that okay um, but i would have, i would have definitely jumped at the opportunity.
If you know i was hot in the grease um.
So yes, um, [, Music, ] women’s boxing channel, says cameron versus sandy ryan, ryan and uh ryan.
Will win versus cameron, um [, Music ]? So we we want to talk about sandy ryan, because sandy ryan is she sub.
10 might come in because i know uh sandy ryan, just just uh beat erica farias.
Okay, so erica farias beat her and she was shocked and she was talking that yang because she ain’t think the crone was going schooler and she got schooled and she came back and and beat her the second time, and i i’m i’m sure um she she might Have had a bite of some humble pie, um in the first defeat of her against um uh, erica farias, but uh she she’s she’s back now.
You know i mean she she’s the champ um.
I don’t think uh sandy ryan has the brains to beat uh chantel cameron.
I i, the chantel cameron, is that gal she’s, one of those gals out here um.
I like how i like how um [ Music ].
She doesn’t talk much and when she does talk like, if you do she, i i like her swag, i’m not even going to lie to girl the broad got some swag and it’s not swagging your face.
Swag swagging your face where she’ll say: oh, oh, you want to fight okay, we’ll fight and then after she whoop your ass.
If you got anything to say that’s when she’ll press you, because her and mary uh they go back, they go back and forth on social media and mary mcgee.
She taught mary mcgee talking all that [ __ ], but um chantelle cameron.
Is she she slices her ass up? Y’All really follow them too.
On twitter, okay, um, follow sugar on twitter too.
Find me uh.
Sugar sugar is too bad.
Natalie sugar brown on twitter, so um yeah they, but, but at this point now um i i don’t see.
I i i don’t see uh sandy ryan, being anyone that we’re gon na be excited about her fighting anybody anytime soon, but cameron.
Chantel cameron is that gal, okay, um [ Music, ] uh breca’s uh women’s boxing channel, says breakus won that first fight in tulsa uh.
I think cecilia brancas won both fights against uh jessica, mccaskill.
Um mccaskill clearly won the rematch, but there should never have been a rematch uh.
I don’t think there’s anything clear about mccaskill’s uh fights uh.
She windmills – and you know, like her last couple – fights candy, wyatt and them um.
Who else did she fight uh, the the one uh uh um ibarra yeah, though those two were pretty clear, ibarra um found out that she got sold out by her coroner and her people damn on the stool and she quit before going further and um candy wyatt Got what she deserved, um in in that match-up, where you could clearly see that she wasn’t prepared for the fight and that she was just a body bag um, standing there for mccaskill the windmill through for all all of them rounds: um, [, Music, ] uh, women’s Boxing channel comes back in saying: abrecast is a wealthy woman come on.
Let me explain something to you: okay, i’m not in brackets pockets.
She probably is a wealthy woman, but let me make something very clear about this boxing game: you’re not going to spend your own money to buy fights.
You can’t spend your own money to buy fights, you’ll go broke, okay, backers and promoters put their money on you.
As a fighter, and then they pay for belts, they pay sanctioning fees, they pay all of those things uh for you to get keep and maintain your your belts in your boxing career.
So though uh breckis may be, i mean i’m not sure what you mean by wealthy right um.
She may have made good from her boxing career, but a wealthy fighter.
She is not okay, she she doesn’t have the backing wealthy fighters or fighters like katie taylor, who has eddie hearn behind her um.
Wealthy fighters are like jessica mccaskill, who has um backers behind her, that that made it possible for her to get get the belts off of cecilia brancas uh.
Wealthy fighters are fighters like michaela meyer, who has bob aaron for a promoter who will pay for her fight and for her titles.
You know the list goes.
The the the list goes on a little bit, but not that much so um.
So some of the women out here they are they’re they’re lucky where they’ve won the women boxing lottery and uh, they they’re able to have backers to pay for these things.
But it’s hot out here for a female fighter: okay, um female fighters such as who i was in the game and and other women um.
We we had to uh find opportunities through risking our our our um records to fight people to to fight people who had better backing than us and and risk getting uh messed up decisions and and and risk our titles, as you can see where tammy johnson ended Up being four five and two in her in her um career, you know you, you risk your record getting ugly, you know and then once you become once your record gets ugly enough.
Uh you become either you become a journey woman.
Where are they calling you constantly and and and you make the agreement that you will be a loser or uh, they will put you on the shelf where you’re so dangerous.
You have an ugly record and you still might beat someone and where and no one wants to fight a journey wants someone with an ugly record that is dangerous and may beat them so uh you become black, bald or put on the shelf or kicked out of The game, okay, so those are your choices.
Um um women’s boxing channel says x, doesn’t mean versus it means beats, oh so x doesn’t mean versus it means beat okay, so i’m i’m not going.
Let me tell you something: women’s boxing channel.
I don’t play i.
I don’t play them games.
Okay, because i’ve been in the ring, i’m a fighter.
I’Ve been in there.
No one can really determine who’s going to beat who you’ll you never know.
What kind of knight abroad is going to have um look everybody.
Everybody was thinking that um harper was gon na, beat bum gardener and she got uh.
She got folded.
Okay, so i don’t do that.
I don’t say someone’s gon na beat someone because everyone has a fighting chance.
Okay – and so i i i like to see that with that, the chips are going to fall where they may, especially between strong contenders.
Okay, but uh is a journey woman in there that that is a known, silvia zabados.
You know them them galde.
You know um that we know that they’re gon na go in there and lose.
Of course, i’m gon na say yeah she’s gon na beat her you know, but um to to write off contenders.
I i don’t do that, so you can do that um and – and you know good luck with that.
I i i wouldn’t put my rent on some of those matches that you were saying some um.
She beat she.
She beats her, but you know you do your thing out here.
I’M glad you’re interested and i’m glad you know these.
Ladies okay um, that that’s letting me know that you you out here doing your homework um, so um, michael orr, says mcgee made her professional debut on may 20th, 2005 scoring a four-round unanimous decision over victory over jasmine dave davis.
Yes, so um, when mary mcgee came out the came on the scene, she had a great backer, a gentleman that believed in her.
I forgot his name um out of uh.
I think she’s out of um kentucky she over there, where michael jackson them from 2300 jackson street where’s that if you offer um, i think michael jackson in them is originally from uh.
Is it kentucky yeah so she’s over there and i think kentucky’s close to chicago so she’s familiar with mccaskill too? She she’s she said it that she’s she’s wiped the the canvas with mccaskill several times, and that’s why just jessica mccaskill will avoid her in an official professional fight.
It is what it is.
I i believe that um mayor mcgee’s got skills.
The issue with mary mcgee right now is that her skills are dated.
Okay, she needs to reinvent herself in there.
She uh the game, then changed on you baby and um goodness it’s getting dark out here, but you know i’m not gon na move just yet.
I i think the lighting is still doing me.
Well, so um uh, yeah, mary mcgage, is a very talented fighter.
She’S strong she’s, fast uh, she’s she’s got all the faculties that would make her a champion except her style.
Her style is dated um.
I think she needs to reinvent herself and she took that loss against chantal cameron kind of hard which she shouldn’t.
You know um, the the thing about boxing is um, you win some, you lose some, you know, and and if you put your value in into being a winner and into being a champion, then you know you you’re going to lose yourself in this game right because All of those things are orchestrated unless you’ve really um.
You know unless you really have uh a four-leaf clover, growing out your ass, your corn, somebody’s going, you know, you’re gon na get got okay and so um these ladies, who still have their own.
They have their own because they have good money behind them.
They have um; they they have good management, they have a great team behind them.
That is, is seeing to it that they that, oh, that you know that value is retained.
Okay, um they’ll, have you know they have a promoter? These things, okay, um ryan, is a woman’s boxing channel comes in saying ryan is four wins one loss and uh? Is it two knockouts or two draws, i’m not sure? Okay, so ryan is four and one that’s.
Why i’m not too excited about her? You could be excited about her women’s boxing channel.
You could be, but i’m not until she gets to that 10 mark and she’s consistent, meaning, okay, she fought and she beat farias good.
That means that she’s beating uh she’s beating champion quality contention.
Okay, so she, where, where is she going to go now? Who is she going to fight now right? She better not come back and fight no 4 and 40 fighter after she made this win who’s.
She going to fight who’s going to fight sandy ryan at four and one these girls, who are in contention right now, chantelle cameron and all of that they ain’t the double digits who’s gon na fight her right.
So i mean they might put her ass on ice for a little bit and then she might still end up having to fight you know 40 fighters or sub 10 fighters and that’s not exciting unless, unless she puts herself in the position to fight one of them, Olympians on the undercard of this mega match coming up between um.
You know you, you know them them, greenbacks, on on the um behind the ears on this upcoming card uh with shields versus marshall right.
If she now calls out one of them john’s on the undercard and they fight her, that might be interesting, but that’s a double-sided sword because they would be risking some kind of career suicide by fighting uh such a contender.
So early yeah there’s an art to this thing.
You know you got to move the broad right.
You got to move the broad good for us to stay, um interested right.
It’S it’s! I guess it’s kind of like dating you know and if you give the cookies up in in the first night or the first couple weeks, that john ain’t gon na be interested no more and the john’s gon na move on right, you got ta work it up.
You got ta, build the excitement you got to make them feel like they go and get something good and then, when you work them to that place, you give them something good, that’s how that works.
Okay, i’m sorry! Uh sugar is just that way.
I i i’m a i’m a naughty woman and um any chance.
I get to be naughty, i’m gon na take it.
So that’s that’s it.
You know that that’s how i describe that thing.
So this ryan, this ryan, broad, i’m i’m not like.
I said i’m not going to be too excited about her until she gets uh to that 10 mark um, [, Music, ].
Now women’s boxing channel said um the ream in in the rematch versus erica favreau’s ryan school foreas.
Okay! Well, you know you get to.
You took the test.
Okay, you took the first test, you failed, you take the test again and it’s the same questions uh you go on.
If, if you don’t pass the test this time and because you know it’s the same questions and you’re gon na, if you, if you know the ant questions, you’re gon na know the answers, if you don’t, if you don’t school her or if you don’t do well, Then you ain’t got what it takes.
You know so um that rematch thing ain’t still doesn’t impress me versus farias.
Okay, um get to 10 baby, so um tony’s reviews comes in.
I walked away and just got back to hear you bring up mcnoskills, windmilling lol, she’s bad, like really bad um.
Okay, i’m gon na say this.
I’M not gon na say that jessica mccaskill is bad jessica.
Mccaskill’S style is just not to your suiting tony’s reviews.
Right styles make fights okay and jessica, mccaskill uh, it’s it’s! I’Ve been in there with her um [ Music ].
You underestimate her because she’s windmilling, but what you don’t realize is she’s got some pop behind the windmill and if she catches you, you know she can hurt you and or she will hurt you so i fought her down.
I i went way low.
I weigh went way too low under my my actual fight weight.
So when i got i did get clipped by her, she dropped me and i’ve never been dropped in in my life.
You know in my career, so i knew that.
Okay, you know this.
Now was turning faster than i thought you know faster than i could think so it wasn’t that she was better than me or she’s better than any other fighter.
It’S just how it it’s just a circumstance, so she was the stronger fighter in our match, because i wasn’t able to recover from that.
Well, i’m not saying that wasn’t able to recover from the blow right.
I got right up and i was in chicago and once again i was the like.
I they used me as the gatekeeper, so they wanted any reason to give mccaskill the win.
So when i got up and referee was like okay, you know you could fight.
I mean watch it, you know um, they stopped the fight they didn’t.
Allow me to redeem myself in the round, which i you know, i think i think they should have.
But you know this is the game.
It is what it is um and and then from that she shot on up to to go fight, katie taylor, because you know if she got through, if, if she could stand in there with sugar, she for damn sure couldn’t take a walk with kaylie taylor.
Katy, taylor, ain’t hurting nobody; okay, so that’s what it was.
Um tony’s review says: um cecilia beat uh mcnow skills imo.
I agree i think cece like out of out of all the fights that was fought since, but you know what that’s what cecilia gets? Um, lovely assistant, can you take this image off? I want the screen all to myself.
Um, please um! So the um going back to the um mccaskill, her styles, make fights and her style is that windmill style, okay and she’s good at it, and the thing that the the key to fighting uh a jessica mccaskill is to keep it clean.
Don’T get caught up in that windmill game because she’s better at it? Okay and um.
Don’T underestimate the windmill game either? Okay, because my grandmother used to say this: you roll with pigs, you’re gon na get dirty okay, so she fights she’s the pig you roll on.
In with her and you fight, you fight her you’re gon na get it’s gon na, be a dirty fight and she’s gon na look like the better one in the fight right, she’s gon na look like she’s getting the better of it, because it’s a sloppy fight And she’s a sloppy fighter.
Uh you got ta, keep it clean.
You got ta, you know you, you got ta um, keep it clean, make a miss, make her pay make her.
You know spin kind of like what katie taylor did to her katie taylor.
Wasn’T there for her to win meal right and, and she came out – you know with some uh she came out lumped up from that because katie just beat on her um.
So um, let’s see tony’s, oh women’s boxing channel comes in understand.
She won’t spend her own money.
I never suggested that at all i’m saying she’s wealthy, as you stated, she has no money if you meant she has no backer, then say that and i’ll agree with you.
Let me tell you something: women’s boxing channel.
I say what i said on my show: now: it’s up to you to have the understanding right to know that us female fighters, we don’t pay for our own fighter.
I didn’t say she poor, and this is what i said in previous episodes.
You got to keep up with me now right.
I made it very clear that cecilia breckis does not no longer has any backers.
She does not.
She no longer has money behind her, so we other broads crohn’s women in the game.
That’S what we say and that’s why we call her bag lady, because she’s trying to find a home she’s still trying to find somebody to back her she’s still trying to stay in the game right.
And there comes a time where you just got: ta move on it, ain’t for you, no more okay, so i mean i’m not looking for nobody to agree with me baby.
We having a conversation.
Okay, i can say i mean you.
You wrote a lot of things that you shouldn’t, amen and didn’t mean or whatever it is.
When we were having this conversation – and i call you on it, so we’re not going to do that – we’re not going to have that type of relationship.
Okay, we having a good conversation.
Now i love the things that you’re saying: okay, but so um, let let’s let let’s let let’s keep it real.
Let’S keep it 100, let’s keep it tangy: okay, um, [, Music, ] about my father’s business comes in gary indiana.
All right so gary indiana, when kentucky okay, so mary mcgee, is out of gary indiana, where michael jackson and them joe and joe had michael jackson and them on that.
You know yeah, a lot of stars came out of gary indiana and mayor mcgee is one of them.
I think she’s.
The first female champion out of gary indiana, which you know um, is, is very impressive: okay, um women’s boxing channel wtf ooh, now you’re cur.
Are you cursing at me on my show yeah yeah on about you really don’t understand what i’m typing x means beat, in other words the x i type after each name simply means that fighter has been defeated or gone from the scene.
Okay, um! That’S not my that, that’s not my um, your exes and and all of your stuff there baby.
That’S you! That’S that that that’s not me that that’s not how i um write and understand that that’s your vocabulary! Those are your terms.
Those are the things that uh you put um.
You can’t expect me to read your mind and understand that baby did this my platform, this this, my channel, okay, you got ta, write that out and you got ta be clear: okay, so um we we want.
We want to keep it respectful now.
Okay, all right uh women’s boxing channel, also put it – doesn’t mean a name versus another name: lol, okay, good good on you.
If that’s not what it means, then good, uh, women’s boxing channel, listen cut.
You got me, listen cut! The crap who’s gon na fight ryan, she’s 44 in one you said well, firey, is dead ain’t.
She uh, uh, magali rodriguez holds wbc silver or leonardo.
Obviously, that’s who ryan is an exceptional fighter.
Oh, it looked like you got your feelings involved with this ryan broad, but i don’t okay, so you and your little girlfriend need to get to that ten mark and uh y’all can get some attention because, like i said, unless she has some backers, that’s gon na Uh make it interesting make her interesting um.
You know she she’s she’s, just as good as anybody else waiting in line to do something: okay, okay, um and then women’s boxing channel comes in oh by the way, when you see a number in brackets like two: it’s the kos, not the draws.
Well, you know.
Look at box rack, okay and and they do differently and you can look anywhere and and um the number in the brackets uh sometimes means a draw so um, i think you i mean you’re, trying to school me on something that i’ve lived on women’s boxing channel.
You got to do you you, you got to do a little bit better, okay! I i ain’t the one for that.
That’S why i’m reading your stuff – because this is this – is a funny debate on here tonight.
Women’S boxing channel comes in you uh! No, you didn’t, you said initially.
She had no money, she had no money, you said lol.
I merely responded to the statement he he or he equals he baby um.
What you need to do is um.
You need to find some time to [ Music ].
Look at the previous episodes of the natalie sugar brown show and you will see those details.
I’M not gon na go back on anything.
I said whatever you get from what i said: okay um, that that’s going to be you uh, smartypants, to to figure that out.
I’M not sure why you’re the only one who has uh a problem with understanding what i said, but i said what i said: um women’s boxing channel says anyway, let’s move on about time, um tony’s reviews, you can’t come with your own definitions and then get upset When people have no idea what you’re talking about tell me about it, tony right, tony um and then came on here and then came on the show i mean i’m glad you’re on the show, came on chastise in the sugar chest-eyes in the girl cause.
She ain’t know what she was talking about.
Don’T do that right and we got other people too chiming in right.
You um, tony’s, review, saying you’ve got to love when non-boxers argue with actual boxers.
I tell you it’s just funny to me um, but i i i also i i i’m.
I don’t look down on anyone who hasn’t boxed um that you know i don’t look down on their perspective, but what i do uh, what i do want you guys who’ve.
Never boxed before to understand is um, and my my late coach, john again used to say this.
A conversation with someone who uh has read a book about flying a plane is total is a total different conversation that you would have with an actual pilot, okay and um.
That’S what the case is right, um, don’t don’t think you’re going to get no by the book stuff from me, because i lived it right.
There’S certain things by the book that are comparable but um.
Just because you read something, don’t mean that’s what it is baby and most of the time it is not what you read.
Um women’s boxing channel says: i’ve been in boxing 50 years, darling.
Sorry to disappoint.
It’S you that ain’t listening chucky, who you calling chucky.
They call me sugar, okay, um, you’ve been in boxing for 50 years.
Have you boxed for 50 years, baby um, i’m a woman boxer.
Are you a woman boxer? I i mean i mean that’s what we’re here for right.
Like you, you you come here trying to you.
You come in here to want to fight me this ain’t, this ain’t, your fight, boo, boo, it’s not your fight! You’Re, not going to win um tony’s reviews come saying at women’s boxing channel.
I have a 32-0 amateur record with 30 ko’s and sugar has actual professional fights.
So i would say that you are heavily outgunned here i mean, and – and you know this is the thing tony’s reviews right me and you don’t actually see eye to eye a hundred percent of the time, but because we have that understanding of this game, there’s a Mutual respect and value for what is said right and – and i i i i feel this kind of pompous of somebody to come and and try to correct me or or try and or or try to throw um.
You know um paper, paper, facts against actual um lived perspective.
You know like paper.
What’S my paper like, like i always say, is, is most of the time not true right.
It ain’t it ain’t.
The actual thing that happened, um, um, eddie barrington, says i love everything.
That’S going on here, sugar is the realest.
Thank you, eddie barrington right.
I tried the ain’t.
No sugar coating here.
You know it’s a conversation, ain’t.
Nobody hurting my feelings.
I have no feelings.
No, no um! No, like i! I i value all um.
I i value all input right, but you know when we keep it respectful and, and we keep it there is when we have a good time.
Okay, tony’s review says no, we disagree with a lot, but it always stays respectful there we go.
You know like okay, we disagree with a lot, you win yeah, but it it um, [, Music, ], it’s a conversation that i value because you’re interested in you know this.
This thing that is women’s boxing.
This thing that i’ve lived this thing that i i’ve come to to know and and and what i’m sharing so um.
You know that that’s what’s going on here, um women’s boxing channel comes in.
Who cares it’s my views, club together and make your army? Who cares? Well, um, i care you obviously care, because you know you’re here when we talking right, don’t say you don’t care um, eddie, barrington, true champion.
Okay, thank you! Uh eddie barrington comes in wbc, dot dot.
I care okay and uh.
Women’S boxing channel comes in takes my opinion without slagging that view off and quit being silly silly billies.
Okay, i mean it, you got ta, you got ta, take ownership in the silliness to women’s boxing channel.
You know this.
I i’ve made myself clear on the you know: on sub sub 10 fighters, and here you come with with your girlfriend uh sandy ryan.
You know i have nothing against her she’s, a tough she’s she’s, a tough prospect um.
She you know she she seems to to have a good chin on her she’s strong.
You know she’s.
She may have a plan right, um, her oh went early, okay and she may have lost some value because of that.
But um i’m not going to get excited about her because um i’m not going to get excited about her because you excited and she’s top 10.
We talking about you know you want to know who i’m excited about.
I’M excited about this chantelle uh cameron, 16-0, with eight kos fighting jessica, mccaskill, okay and jessica mccaskill, as tough as she is, and as as much of a beater as she was is of cecilia break us um she’s only 12 and two.
She has five kos.
Okay, so i mean, if you’re looking at it, cameron is the has um.
You know, cameron is the one.
That’S that’s moving some heavy value in this matchup.
That’S number one um number two, i think they’re both promoted by eddie hearn and going back to what someone said previously um.
I didn’t hear it but are y’all.
Coming are y’all coming on saying that um kelly ray’s vacated her title um, and so that title is available, if that, if that’s the case and and so these ladies, are actually fighting for that 140 undisputed um opportunity, chantelle cameron has two of the belts and i Guess the other one or the other two uh, if, if race has vacated them, was bought out by eddie hearn the promoter, so you know this this one right this.
This matchup right here is for all the beans.
All the gravy yeah um this this match is is super.
This is a super match, um that you know that the whole thing behind um that tournament that happened with the you know the uh was it cameron versus uh, mary mcgee and then cali raised versus um, uh, jessica kamara.
I did the winner to me, the winner, in all of it was jessica kamara in that tournament, because um jessica kamara was the one coming in with nothing to lose.
She had no title, she really had no ranking, you know and she came out with a name by pressing uh cali’s behind in their fight right, and i i i’m not sure what happened but suddenly after that match, um cali raised became unwell and she was unwell.
Enough to where she put off her match with chantelle cameron several times, and then she came out saying that she had health health complications and then she became a movie star, and so somehow she might have decided or may have understood in that match that this.
This type of heat wasn’t for her, you know, and so in that chantel cameron had to figure out what to do with her with her career how to move on from that right because uh, you know a tournament was promised and then the you know that sure Thing fell through okay, so um it’s a great step up.
She was gon na fight um.
Who was it that she was gon na fight before um goodness i i mentioned it on a previous um.
I mentioned it on a previous show.
Um chantel cameron was going to fight, who, goodness you guys, if y’all been paying attention chime in and then that just dissipated – and here she is there’s an actual date on that and and the man eddie is backing it so um.
You know this is real november 5th, for this super lightweight championship, um, so um.
The loser in that tournament is mary.
Mcgee is mary mcgee.
She she had that belt that she could have held on to and she could have held on to it and and and fought jessica mccaskill in us, in a bigger fight and and for more for more um money and – and you know she could have held on To that thing a bit longer and um, you know she just got um.
She got swindled to me and, and the thing about that is um like i know, for sure that uh mary mcgee uh was handled or had the same management as cali race right.
She was under that same umbrella, so i mean i, i don’t know that kind of home cooking ain’t, fair to me, i’ll, i always say um.
You know if, if it ain’t, if they not signed as your management and still so just assume that they’re working for your opponent – and you know when you’re when you’re content, when the contender that’s in your same weight class, is married to your manager.
It’S not a smart move for you to continue that that that that business relationship it it’s just not smart, and so i i i think, uh mary mcgee is a casualty of of that um uh women’s boxing channel.
Oh, my gosh um women’s boxing channel i’m gon na read this i’m gon na read it all uh.
Okay, i take fifty percent.
If you do, but there you go, calling ryan my freaking girlfriend just because i’m a fan well [ Laughter, ].
She ain’t your girlfriend.
All right, i take it back, she’s, not your girlfriend, but you in your feelings about the broad and i hope she feel the same way about you.
I’M the one.
That’S here with you on wednesday night, i’m the one on here caring about you and wanting you to be here with me me not ryan, all right! So i’m your girlfriend.
She ain’t your girlfriend, i’m sorry on women’s boxing channel um, but you know you can’t get in your feelings about these broads.
Okay, you know they come and go and um if you’re a fan good on you and i – and i wish i wish ryan good luck in the game.
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