Anthony Joshua – how good is he? | Boxen247 with Kristian | Talkin Fight
EPISODE: Episode 6
How good is Anthony Joshua? Does he deserve a re-match with Usyk…? Graeme and Kristian discuss Joshua’s pro career and what the future may bring.
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[, Music ], so using graham’s terms, welcome boxing fans from around the world, welcome to uh, well, the show with uh, graham and christian, but uh by myself, with no graham, you never know who may pop up later on uh.
This is gon na be back.
I can only assume from yesterday where he had to do it by himself with myself having technical problems coming in today, we’re going to be talking about anthony joshua.
How good was he and the question which graham put to me, will he be around in five years time bear in mind? Anthony joshua is 32 now at 37 he won’t be considered old for a heavyweight, so that is a possibility, but first i want to break down joshua’s career, obviously coming over from an amateur as a gold, medalist um, i’m not going to be i’m going to sound.
Quite harsh against joshua love him as a guy.
He is a good fighter.
I am not a hater, but i’m just being completely honest with how i see everything in the olympics.
He won’t say he was gifted the gold uh medal, but some of the olympics are easier to get to and some of the olympics are easier to gain a gold medal, and this is what’s the case with anthony joshua.
He was put through turned over professional very quickly and went through the pro ranks.
Knocking everybody out is either straight ko or tko.
Even to the point of kevin johnson, i think he was the first person to stop him.
I think that was the it’s either.
The first round or the second round – and that was unheard of so at that point he was um 100 ko ratio knocking over the usual uh journeyman gatekeepers.
He went through the first proper test was against dillian white, which he won by ko, which was a very great fight.
Bear in mind at the time that dillian white was unbeaten, then at a very how could we put a young part of his career? This is what was considered at the time he took on the ibf heavyweight champion, who was making his first offense, which was charles martin, but charles martin gained the heavyweight championship by very strange circumstances.
Now he was fighting his opponent uh.
I think landed strange on his leg.
He he mutched it up.
I think it was a knee injury and as such, by default he was uh.
He won the ibf world championship, so the first defense was uh made against joshua, which he clearly won by ko uh.
It was chaos it was counted out, which was in the second round now next up, seemingly a very hard test, uh, which was the first um defense.
I do believe if i’m was it the first offense against klitschko, i’m just going to mention the key points.
Excuse me if i get the order wrong, but um he did face klitschko which he won by ko in the 11th round.
If i remember right now on the paper of it, a very good win, but the thing was that klitschko was 42.
He had been inactive.
I think approximately for two years and the last bout was a loss which was the points uh decision loss when he lost all the titles to tyson fury.
So you know on the surface of it.
Yes, it was a good win, but when you delve deeper into it – and this is what we could be doing today – we’re going to be delving through um a lot of the the opponents in the situation we’re going to put in place properly where he stands historically And, of course, how good is he against the current people in a division now having just been beaten by alexander usyk with this, he then made um a further defense, or it was a unification, obviously with uh parker joseph parker, who again was unbeaten now, on the Surface of it, parker was regarded as a bit of a puncher uh.
He beat him by points, but the thing is that parker a lot of people rated him, but when you delved into parker’s resume, his top win was against uh, andy ruiz, jr, uh, andy ruiz jr was unbeaten at the time uh and he beat him by.
If remember, it was a majority decision, so that was the best win now andy ruiz duin jr as much as he is one of the higher rated heavyweights at the moment and obviously beat joshua, he won all the championships lost it more recently.
I think he’s been put in his place with the very uh tough belt he had with chris areola jr, sorry chris arreoglo, with obviously with ruiz junior winning that bout.
So with that in mind, the the parker win.
Wasn’T that great a win, because since then parker has been a little bit lackluster in some of his wins.
He had a very close fight with an over the hill uh, derek jezora, which is about to be rematched very soon.
So, on the surface of it again, parker wasn’t a great opponent where you would garner absolute complete praise for that victory.
Since then, there has been no great fighters on his resume.
Now, i’m probably going to get shot a million times for this one.
You had uh povetkin povetkin at the time i think was late 30s, probably under 37 38 mark.
He was in decline, he’d uh, just before or just after.
I think he’d had a close fight with hughie fury, no, nothing bad with that, but he had a draw with michael hunter.
This was at the television’s career and bearing in mind that povetkin did put joshua in trouble a couple of times early on about before joshua.
Had a later stoppage victory um again, but what i’m trying to get at here is that the fighters which he fought and beat they weren’t people in their prime.
They were not top tier fighters and i believe this is why he lost to obviously usyk, because he was a fighter okay, 34, but he was in his prime.
He was not in decline, and this is the key thing.
There is not one fighter and i can um i’ve got some questions come in a second um.
I think that you know it’s a resume which, on the surface of it, what i’m trying to get at with this is that the on the surface of it was very flattering as soon as you delve deeper into it.
It was just it was shallow.
I hate saying it: i like him and he was a devastating puncture, but it appears that he has fallen into the category of a fighter that when he’s on top, he wins, but under pressure um, he seems to fall apart.
Obviously, we know very well what happened in the ruiz junior fight, but with usyk the other day, i’ve i’ve seen a lot of people discussing the the about um.
It’S it’s a bit of an awkward one.
A lot of people say he was gun shy.
A lot of people were scared um.
I just think that he was very concerned.
Excuse me, excuse me, it’s very had a very concerned look on his face now this was um.
It was a concern about, i think getting hit, and this again stems back to over to the uh ruiz junior defeat.
I think you know scared, i don’t i don’t think a fighter should be termed as scared, but i think concerned i think was, is just a better word for it um i just had come through there second ago, charles martin, quite possibly the worst world champion.
Yes, he won by defaults again with charles martin breaking down his career um.
Who was the best win? You know that he had.
You know um up until winning the you know the uh the championship as such.
Nobody, nobody of any great note whatsoever.
Um, it’s dylan white was uh new to the program.
Well, he was he was new at that point he had had two years out of the ring as well.
For um it was a drugs offense um, so he was newish to the game.
Correct absolutely, and he had two years out um, i think if they had a rematch now the the bout would be closer just on to dillian white and uh, how did in white and why he turned down five million to fight in the rematch in wembley, with Joshua, i don’t know it must have had his reasons uh, for that i could only guess very good reasons, but um.
What i’m trying to get here is that what spurred me on thinking, how good is um joshua is a lot of people were saying.
Oh, we wanted him to.
You know lose anyway, because he was very disrespectful for to lennox lewis and there’s been a lot of comparisons along the way to um uh lennox lewis, because obviously both were gold, med lists.
Okay lennox was slightly different because he wasn’t true.
English as such, because he had obviously represented canada in the olympics and formerly in boxing he had actually um um jamaica.
I think he represented so he’s effectively jamaican canada but brit and that’s what he settled as uh in the pro ranks and fighting for um.
So you’ve got that comparison.
Um to him frank bruno know it was completely different kind of fighters, but lennox lewis, on his resume.
You had okay right, i was just about to say tyson.
Tyson was not, and far from his peak, you had hollyfield twice: okay, the first one was a draw.
The next one was a clear, unanimous decision, even if um the first one that supposedly draw i thought, lewis did clearly win and yes, it can be regarded that uh hollyfield at that point was not at this peak absolutely, but you go back.
I mean to win the title: lennox lewis, he knocked out razer ruddock in the second round, who had just given mike tyson two hard rounds.
Uh, sorry, two half bouts uh one obviously was a an early decision loss with referee um richard still coming in.
I think it’s the seventh round too early, then they had the rematch because of the controversy with the stoppage, and it went 12 rounds straight on from that ruddock went in with lewis for the i think it was vacant at the time war you had it wasn’t The vacant championship – it was a final eliminator um, but it was effectively uh for the belt when riddick beau uh, obviously famously dumped the uh, the wc belt in the the bin.
So obviously, at that point uh had uh lewis had won the eliminator um.
He was given the full title, but the point is that on his resume, you had um razer ruddock, who was in his prime who was regarded as the top guy in the division.
He was regarded as the top fighter at that point, because tyson had gone to jail um.
By that time, um you had wins um.
You know he had beaten everybody that beaten him.
Obviously, the only people that beat him was oliver mccall and you had uh housing.
Wreckmen both bouts were um.
You know both losses were reversed.
You know his career was completely different.
They were top fighters, there were fighters in their peak, there was unbeaten, okay, you could say pretenders, but you had michael uh michael grant.
I think it was the six foot, seven uh fighter who was undefeated.
There was undefeated people in there there was top names in there.
They were all the leading contenders and that is not the case getting back to joshua with his career very hollow um, and if anybody is or disagrees what i’m saying you know i’m very curious to hear from somebody.
What actually do you think is the best anthony joshua win now out of the fights i’ve mentioned and out of everything else i mean the the about.
I’Ve got to say, that’s the the best one for him is again the klitschko win, but klitschko was, i think, by that time, was he 42 um? You know, joshua was down um and he went life or death with him, uh, eventually winning okay.
He won in the end, which was very good.
Apart from that you could say, dillian white, but yes, he was uh newish to the game and he had been out of the game for a two year period.
So you had that to overcome as well um.
The other best win, i’ve got to say it is um kevin johnson, because at that point he’d never been stopped and he was the first person to stop him and actually, since the stoppage, uh kevin johnson has actually come back and he’s had quite good form um.
He stopped um, oh god, one of the former cruiserweight champions.
That’S making a comeback.
Hernandez was pablo hernandez in germany.
He ko’d him was it and then i think it was hernandez and also you had uh.
He fought ajit cabal uh.
I think it was a couple of fights ago um and in god, at the end of the fight he had capoeira on rubber legs.
Um he’s had good form, and it just makes you think that you know he’s not completely washed up.
Yes, he’s a gatekeeper, stroke.
German, whatever you call him, but i think that was one of the best wins just because the manner in which he did it, they are the two best victories.
I think um uh, that was on his resume um.
With that in mind, that is it.
You know he’s got to carry on he’s, got to beat.
Someone of note he’s got to beat somebody at the top of the game to get some kind of recognition, and this is something that i think anthony joshua is going to be after now, joshua thinks 32, and the question which graham gave me was: is he going To be around in five years time the answer’s going to be, i think yes, because of as much as that he’s got probably about somebody mentioned 300 million in the bank as such or the rest of it.
You know he fights and he hasn’t needed a fight or need certainly needed with with his uh sponsorship and everything else.
He doesn’t need to fight anymore he’s making a lot of money, but he is about uh legacy.
I do believe that is john genuine with him and he’s going to, i think, carry on until he gets the the wins that will cement the legacy which he is after um.
Yes, he has a lot of uh.
I think no, he has a lot of outside interest yeah, it’s difficult to say, because it all depends what happens in between now and five years time, um, the the fights in which are coming up, and it’s quite a um.
One thing that i’ve heard today is that apparently anthony joshua has been given first refusal um of okay, it’s a bit of a confusing situation here and i’ve got to make sure explain it right.
Okay, you’ve got alexander usyk, that’s just one all the belts, leicester, wbc.
Okay, on october the 9th, as we well know, you have got fury versus wilder now, if fury beats wilder, there has been an offer already for um.
I don’t know what dylan white’s going to say about this, because it’s then obviously uh the problem’s going to be with mandatories with the wbc.
But i don’t know if it’s the case of um paying step aside money to keep.
Even if i don’t think dealing white will actually accept step aside money, but it often has been made that, if fury wins for fury to face usyk and joshua guaranteed the winner for all the belts regardless, if he wins, whether it be usyk or fury.
That is if fury beats wilder now that has come out today, which is uh an interesting situation, because you know if fury, uh, wins or actually, if walder wins, it should be done in whiteness fighting and i don’t think he’s gon na accept step aside money.
He wants the championship belt, but that is what’s being offered today, um.
If that doesn’t work, i think joshua is going to go for as the saying for the u6 rematch, which is going to happen roughly in what they they said april may time, which sounds, i think, the feasible way.
I think he will take it because he believes he can beat him that offer that’s been made.
I think it was by bob arum uh with what i said earlier: um, it’s not going to uh happen, um good point.
So what does aj do sit around? Why doesn’t he fight white very good point? Now there wasn’t any mention with what i’ve read today.
There wasn’t any mention of that, but that’s something which uh very good point and maybe would be actually brought into the equation.
Because, then that would you get the rematch between the two it’d be a high profile fight both will think they can win.
Um it’d be a lot of money in it and uh, obviously the winner then to have a fight at all the belts.
Now that wasn’t mentioned it was just mentioned that then this is the words i’m recalling nearly as good as so nearly unquote fury.
Sorry joshua was guaranteed to fight the winner.
Now that’s not facing um white, but that should be the case but um interesting situation, because i didn’t see that coming because you know there’s been talk about also with, because people have been throwing everything into the equation um about um.
You know joshua fighting the winner of wilder and um fury, which again is not going to happen because of the wbc uh mandatory in white plus.
The other thing is why i don’t think eddie hearn would push that as well, because with eddie hearn having control of such of dillian white, then that’s a fact.
You know it’s going to be bypassing one of his fighters, so it’s a bit of a funny one.
It’S a bit of a mess and the whole point of everybody.
Fighting at the top bear in mind.
You’Ve got um joe joyce lurkin, who was the uh the wbo ranked number two who now has obviously with usyk winning he’s gon na be in the next ratings he’ll, be elevated to wbo number one, but the key thing is he was guaranteed as the next mandatory Um he’s going to have something to say about um wanting to fight the titles next, which would be a good one with usyk, because they have history in the wsb.
But a problem with that is that, assuming that uh usyk was the god, this is so confusing.
Where usyk was the mandatory, he should be allowed to voluntary after that, so i think joe joyce, pressing that with the wbo at that point, we’ll be ignored.
Excuse me we’ll just occupy my dog, so yeah.
So excuse me with a bit of the ins and outs and everything else, with the situation how it is at the top.
And yes, i have gone off point, but it’s going back to the the point with how good is he until he, i think, overcomes adversity in a fight? Until he’s put, you know under pressure uh and come through that against a top fighter or – and this sounds quite cruel – would be saying it um somebody that at least is in their peak, whether it be one of the younger guns which are coming through.
For me, he’s not going to be at all.
You know, regardless of how many wins he’s got, how many defenses he made in the heavyweight title he’s not.
He cannot be put anywhere near lennox, lewis, with with comparisons etc.
Um bruno that’s a bit of a different thing, but um.
We could push that aside because we could start comparing lots of the fighters bruno completely different.
You know he only won uh one one title when he lost it.
Obviously, in the tyson rematch um, but it’s lennox lewis, which has been out there um, which has been the the big one he’s been compared to so uh.
Let me just go to some of the the comments at the moment.
Why is valencia? Matron is getting closer and closer to aj due to aj loss, absolutely um.
Now, one thing at least, which is very handy or not handy – that you’ve got aj which signed forever with eddie hearn, so um, you know, you’ve always got to have um the.
How can i put it the loyalty from uh joshua, that’s always going to uh to be there, there’s no issue there, that’s going to happen now.
The problem is – and this is why could have something to do with white turning down now, i don’t know the exact reason why white turned down the the rematch of five million at wembley, but it may have something to do with uh.
It depends who made the offer as well, because i cannot see eddie hearn doing that.
I don’t know if there was.
I must look into it further.
I cannot see eddie hearn um, putting about together um especially, would have been for more than five million as well.
Um having another police fighters have a loss on their um on their resume um.
You know in in in house.
You know as such the the promoters don’t like putting belts in house, because one of their fighters is going to lose um.
I can’t see unless there’s something that’s that it comes from what i mentioned earlier with the situation with the barbarum offer uh.
I can’t see that happening.
I just cannot see white um, accepting step aside money.
He wants that title again: money talks and if eddie hun goes for that, maybe um that could be a possibility.
Maybe at that point um joshua with a good point.
He brought up because that could that would be more feasible um, especially if there could be some compensation to white to take obviously the the joshua fight.
Now he must obviously be uh one two or two.
He must think that he’s got a greater chance.
You know against him because he’s seen him just lose, you know he’s been knocked out and outpointed um yeah it’s interesting times, but back to point, because i very easily go off point his resume does not you know at all rank with.
Obviously, linux lewis now ranking against other people um.
You know other champions that had some sort of run, uh vladimir klitschko.
Let’S go to him.
He he wiped out in that 10-year second reign as world champion.
He wiped out everybody.
That was other champions in god.
Who did you have you had povetkin? Who was unbeaten at the time um you had? Who was the wbo champion um? I can’t remember the chap’s name um, but who wasn’t beaten: sultan eyebrow god ibero grimoth, god, yeah pronunciations were awful.
He was unbeaten a funny one.
He never actually fought again retired straight after that.
Anyway, he had unbeaten the whole point so and uh unbeaten champions in ibra grimov and excuse the pronunciation and um povetkin.
You had all the leading contenders.
You had the usual uh gatekeepers journeyman’s, leading contenders young unbeaten fighters in that that 10-year second reign.
You know mike tyson um going back.
Obviously when he won the title.
First, in 1980, uh 1985.
um, he unified everything, uh cleaned up the division um.
He had obviously beat bone crusher smith uh, you had tony tucker.
He fought michael spinks, he cleaned up every other belt, um in good fashion, all of them bone crusher smith.
Yes, okay, that was a points decision um or should i say, as the bout was called then bone hugger smith, because he was looking to survive from the opening bell.
Tony tucker could have given a good account of himself.
He lost on points with tyson um michael spinks was famously knocked out in 89 seconds um by tyson, and that is just the first reign.
Obviously, tyson then went on to lose three fights later um after 1988 um, and then you know also that you had the lost two to buster douglas, but then you had obviously the rape you had uh prison.
You had everything else.
You regained the title was 1996.
You had the second reign, defending against uh god, you had bruno uh, bruce selden um and then he ran into hollyfield point is he’s two time um.
A lot of people argue that there was a hollowness to tyson’s title reign and some of the opponents, but it’s the way he did it as well, which a lot of people can argue the case with with joshua.
You can only beat what is ahead of you and i do believe that joshua hasn’t ducked anybody um, unless anybody can correct me with that, i don’t think he’s actually ducked anybody um.
Certainly in the recent transaction in the recent uh fights, that’s happened: um the only people we could have yes, he’s had offers from some of the leading contenders coming up, but that was declined not out of ducking them because he thinks he’d get beat.
But obviously, though, everybody was just gunning for the obviously aj fury fight, so everything was just pushed aside and completely food.
You know tyson back to that um, not as good as lennox lewis’s um resume, but again he’s still better than anthony joshua’s.
Uh klitschko’s was very good uh much better than anthony joshua’s um.
These are just fighters.
You know it’s just one of these things on you know on joshua’s resume that uh.
It could look good brazil.
If i remember right, he was unbeaten, but brazil was a thought.
Was a former american football player? You had um drummer boy, eric molina knocked out early; okay, only a couple of losses uh, but he came in because he you know, i think his his big accolade was that he had uh fought wilder for the uh.
The title gave him a bit of a hard time, but he got knocked off remember right in the third round by joshua, but he was a school teacher.
You know these are not people that are full-time fighters.
You know ex-football player, you know, you’ve got a school teacher, um povetkin, who was old.
You had carlos takam good fighter, but came in last minute.
Um, and even he gave him trouble, i think, was it stops um referee stoppage and some people actually said it was unfair late on um.
You know he went life or death with him.
He had picked up a nose.
Injury earlier on.
The resume is just not the same so unfortunately um where people are saying, he’s great and was going to be the next lennox lewis or is the next lunas or as good as lennox lewis full circle back to the original point.
Absolutely not was he good? Yes.
Can he uh get better, i’m not sure um? Is he gon na win the title? Again? I don’t think so.
I think it’s one of these situations where, with some fighters – okay, yes, he’s already regained it um with you – know, ruiz, jr, but ruiz jr more.
I think more than joshua winning the rematch.
I think that ruiz jr just ate himself out of it um, but he’s regained it once, but a lot of fighters once they lose the championship.
It’S like they get this run, they win the championship, they lose it and they can never get that.
I don’t know what the best word is momentum going again.
They never reach that same height.
It has happened with so many fighters.
One is joseph parker.
Okay, he only had a couple of title defenses and yes, he only won it by majority decision against ruiz jr and it was the one wbo belt, but that’s somebody else which is never going to regain the title um.
Even if it’s not about just regaining the title, the form has not been just as good um.
You know for a while when he was unbeaten coming up through the rankings, parker looked reasonable again.
The people which he was fighting wasn’t particularly good, but the manner in which he was dispatching some of them was very good as well um.
But you know, since his defeat to joshua, he hasn’t looked the same um.
Excuse me, i’m just going to bribe the dog to stop being because what i’m talking is biting the hell out of my hand, good girl, okay, um, backup, point um, yes, parker um he’s never gon na get back the form that he once had.
Okay, rue is junior you’ll, never be champ again.
Unfortunately, um what’s gon na happen with this, i’m digressing a lot, but i’m just trying to just trying to think where joshua fits in with how everything is going to go um i can’t see joshua win.
I really really can’t um and i think someone’s going to probably shoot me for this one, and i will say this now: i predict wilder beaten, fury in the third belt um going off topic.
But again, i think the reason why mentioning it is, i think, wilder’s got to get it back.
Um you’re going to see wilder versus um.
It’S going to have to be, i think, but you will see it.
I think you’ll have wilder versus white at that point.
Who will win out of that? One um good bout, don’t know flip a coin for that one um, but joshua.
I think we’ll either go in with usyk and not the same result will happen, but as in not the manner in which he lost may change, but i think he will lose again to usic and if wilder um, whoever wins the savior goes in, with fury fury, Fury would definitely beat aj um.
A lot of people were saying that before he’ll outbox him um, he definitely will outbox him.
Having seen him fight the night and get out box by usyk, and i actually think now that he will ko him um he’s.
I think, whichever route he takes, it’s going to lead in up to the point of him, not winning the title um.
I can’t see um any any change with that.
Let me just have a look at some of the comments here.
Um younger vlad would beat aj that night um vlad after he’d gone in with uh emanuel steward.
When he went on the 10-year reign um, yes, would have beaten him, the vladimir which lost to god.
His first loss was against uh ross purity.
I think that was in 1998, that was by ko ware.
It wasn’t the case of ross purity, so much uh, ko and him, but he outlasted him or the reckless vlad that lost in two rounds to uh corey sand, corey saunders, sorry, corey, sanders rest in peace, cory um he that reckless fighter, i think aj, could have Knocked out early, but as soon as he had that loss um and he then won the title back under the instruction from cronk cronker trainer.
That’S just left my brain um, but under susie went into with emmanuel stewart right there we are um.
Yes, he was a complete fighter.
He told him how to you know he taught him how to use his size as a huge advantage and um.
Yes, that one was more safety first and i think he would have outboxed and probably taken aj out at some point.
Bearing in mind when you look at how a 42 year old vlad uh went life or death with him, having been out the ring for two years, having um, you know had a loss, the last fight was against fury on a loss.
You know he was 42 and you could see it.
That was not the the vlad of old excuse.
You want to just put my dog onto the floor because you are biting me now way too hard.
You go, go, go no.
She wants to stay because it’s bright, but then apologies about this um yeah, i think definitely uh a younger vlad would have uh finished him off um.
He went life or death at 42.
go back five years ago in the middle of his 10-year reign.
That definitely would have taken him out um anything else.
Here, uh i got ta mention charles martin, the worst champion ever yes, absolutely um yeah, just with with matchroom um.
I i think a lot of attention.
Now you you’re going to see eddie hearn, we’ll go over to uh dylan white because of his he sat there mandatory wbc um.
You could have seen him very much.
I mean obviously you’ve got white, ah but saying that before that can ever happen.
White versus otto wallin um, that’s a good 50 50 fight.
I i give wallin a very good chance in actually dethroning white, so with everything that i said earlier on.
I could probably take it all back because of he might not even get through that, and i will say it um, where a lot of people have been bashing white uh.
You know with you know the foes that white had been facing like an even older povetkin, etc, all the rest of it.
They even managed to knock him out to take on um.
You know also one who’s just got one loss against fury with fury, went life or death with him, um brave, move uh.
I call that a 50 50 fight – i might even actually have wallin um winning that one in fact, depending how the odds are.
I think that could be a little, i’m, not a betting person, but that could be a a small bet.
I think they’re on a willing to win it.
Um he’s he’s.
He ticks every box.
Even if he’s not exceptional.
In every box, um every box is ticked and key thing is he’s young and he’s hungry again.
This is the problem.
You know when you look at some of white’s.
Opponents have gone off uh off topic here, but if you look at some of white’s, you know um opponents.
A lot of them were old helenius, you know passed it brown um, you had um, obviously povetkin and the only one that he had was sort of.
Like you know, young in their prime with oscar rivas, who gave him a hell of a fight if he was just a bit bigger and and we’ll see, he’s gone down now to bridge a weight.
The first uh wbc bridger weight belt um.
But if he had a bit more size a bit more power, i think that um, you know he could have beaten white that night it was very close uh and even that night you still got that drugs issue uh with dylan white who tested uh positive and They had to be, and the b sample didn’t appear, suddenly gone missing with everything and you’ve got that tail that never ever got sorted.
There was no conclusion with that, but anyway, that very close fight, um, that was somebody that was young in his prime and it caused him absolute fits so taking on wallin, who is young in his prime, absolutely in his primage fury a hard fight and he’s had Uh two fights since he knocked out mid-rounds.
I can’t remember the chap’s name: it was um uh, journeyman and the second one.
His last fight.
He out pointed dominic, brazil, um good result.
Um, you look, that’s going to be a good fight.
Money is on one end for that one: yes, a good 60 40.
I think uh, regardless, even if he doesn’t win he’s gon na cause, him fits if uh white knocks him out.
He’S, certainly done something a lot better than fury.
Uh managed that time so going back to that original thing, my answer is it’s a very glossy resume for anthony joshua.
You just got to dig a little bit deeper into it and every single one.
There is a question which has a got a negative answer, their age well, who actually, how good were they were they actually a full-time fighter? Were they at the end of their career? Were they actually any good in the first place and they just won the heavyweight championship by the opponent twisting his leg um everything has just got a bit of negativity attached to it.
There’S nobody in there that was young at that top of the game.
Nobody would be pulev even pulev is it was past his his best um, that’s not the same pure lev that went in with uh klitschko that time, um and again, that’s not some, but something that’s, maybe joshua’s fault, because again he could only fight.
What’S put in front of him and again i don’t think he’s really dodged anyone and it’s the state of the division at the moment, but it just shows that the first time – and this is the thing i had – and this is why i did predict usyk – to Win this is the first time where joshua was going in with somebody that was at the top of their game.
That was young as such, okay, u634, but he’s certainly not in decline, definitely not in decline and who was hungry and who was full-time and who was good and he loses the same thing with andy ruiz.
That’S twice now the rest of the people had question marks.
The rest of the the opponents had question marks, read their career, so no it’s a very glossy uh resume and if he is to uh, be as bothered as he’s always said about his legacy in answer to graham’s question, he will be around in five years time.
Yes, because if he’ll be chasing it because i don’t think he’s gon na be getting in the way, it seems to be panning out at the moment with all those ins and outs, i don’t think uh he’s gon na get his hands on the title again, um.
So that question answers um.
I hope you did enjoy this.
I know i’ll go off topic a lot, but that’s my scatty boxing brain which goes here there, but that’s an opinion.
You may not agree with it, but um.
You know definitely not comparable at all.
With ledex lewis, you go through lennox lewis’s opponents, you see they are all at the top of the game, young majority of not every single one of them.
You can’t have that, but completely different, absolutely completely different um.
So the people yep that said about comparable to linux lewis no way.
Yes, he will be around in five years time because i think he’d still be chasing and i think that hearns will be um.
Obviously he will still be promoted because he’s got the lifetime promotion.
Uh with uh aj and he’ll be wanting to milk it as much as possible.
Um he’s still gon na be chasing, but i think he’ll never regain it.
Just one of those situations – um, that’s it his reign is over and not so much of a glossy resume.
You’Ll, probably kick me for that one, but again just an opinion.
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