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EPISODE: Episode 3
Today Kristian and Graeme discuss the upcoming Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor fight, the state of women’s boxing, and the improvements that are being made and need to be made to the sport of boxing on the whole.
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[ Music, ], [, Music, ] hello, there, boxing fans around the world thanks for joining us once again here on talk and fight with our special guest christian von sponik from boxing 247, who supplies all of our news that we read daily and enjoy it thoroughly.
Today.
Chris and i are going to talk about women in boxing – and i got to say, you’ve probably got some first-hand knowledge to share with us you’re at the big press conference featuring uh, amanda and katie uh, i believe on monday.
So why don’t we start off? Why don’t we start off with what you learned first thing is that amanda serrano in person is absolutely lovely.
Katie was sweet as well um.
The big thing from one uh from it is that it’s just apparent that everybody uh and people that were surrounding katy as well without mentioning names, are actually favoring amanda to win, which is the shame, katie great undefeated, 20-0, all the pedigree, the gold medal etc.
The key areas that are being brought up repeatedly, whether they are right or wrong, is that she is on the decline, or certainly not at her peak as she was now.
That opinion is based on the fact that um, the past couple of performances were subpar, not the usual katy taylor.
She did struggle.
Is that because of she wasn’t up for the uh the opponents and she may be up for the biggest fight of her career with amanda serrano? Was it the case if she’s on downslide you’re going to have somebody with amanda serrano who’s on the top of her game very much so who’s going to pick her apart uh, regardless top of the game or not? I think amanda is going to pick her apart with this one um.
You could see, there’s something that amanda serrano gives off and it’s something that i’ve.
You know the interviews i’ve seen before didn’t come across face-to-face.
She gives off something she’s hungry, she’s hungry, for the money i mean this is a girl that was paid at times one and a half thousand dollars to defend her world title.
This is the first time that two females are gon na, be given a seven uh digit payday.
I mean wow and good for them because it is uh, especially that they are much improved now.
This is way way way overdue, um but uh.
For me, amando amanda serrano, all the way she looks great in every way.
It is a shame.
Katie taylor is going to lose for the first time.
I do believe that is the thing that really did strike me coming away from the whole press conference.
Just with what they gave off with attitude speaking to people, the only concern possibly with amanda serrano is the weight she has been up at this point.
Do you believe before, but she has been down more recently, so going back up again so she’s somebody that can go up down up down and all over the place like some can or at age 33? Is it gon na be the time will come along where you can’t go back and wait again, something we discussed with uh with mailboxing before um at 33, with how she’s look she is at the top of the game, she’ll be about to go up.
She’Ll! Go back down again, this will not be a problem, amanda serrano, all the way for me for a points, decision or late stoppage.
How do you feel about that? Graeme? I’M torn i’ve been i’ve been speaking quite highly of katie taylor and her accomplishments for at least two years.
I’M really looking forward to this fight.
I’M really glad that they’re headlining madison square garden.
It’S going to be a huge draw from both sides of the pond.
Uh amanda serrano has really picked up her game, though in the past two years, and i believe, i believe, she’s a belt holder in a lower weight class, though at the moment i don’t know she gave that up, but any anyway, so she said she still has It, yes, okay, so so she’s moving up uh.
I doubt katie taylor’s moving down and wait.
I didn’t i didn’t capture that just got all.
These are the four belts which are uh right lightweight, yes right, so so i i don’t know like uh.
I i think, katie taylor.
Well, they both when it comes to power.
They both have the power uh, but i i’m i’m now looking at uh, katie taylor’s career and saying does: does she really have the legs? If you know what i mean uh to maintain that level of competition that amanda’s going to bring to her – and you know when i heard like i watched both of your uh uh clips on the on the press conference uh, you know – and i got ta say Like amanda was saying the right things, katie looked a little shy, a little reticent in how she was answering her questions, especially the one about uh.
You know: do you want to go 12 or 12 12 3 minute rounds? I thought katie was really.
That was a peculiar response.
I thought you know.
As soon as that was asked, i thought that was going to be an absolute yes, this is going to be a game.
Changer they’re going to do the necessary with boards and commissions to get that done.
I thought well, it is now time for this to change and it’s going to happen, but katie swerved it and it was, and amanda still tried to suppress it and she swerved it again.
You know it doesn’t um dictate the outcome, but it shows something.
What that something exactly is: is this a little bit of yeah a little bit of not uh unself-confidence? However, you want to uh word it, but um do excuse me, but i’ve got a really gruff throat, if you probably haven’t already realized, but yes glad you brought that up, graham because, yes, that was a complete swerve and it wasn’t just a momentary one.
That was a complete swerve of the the suggestion of that taking place in, amongst that uh press conference, though i i i actually enjoyed listening to jake paul, because he was very well spoken and and spoke highly, not only of these two particular women, but of women In general, both past and present and and future uh women in the game, so you know i’m not a huge fan of jake paul but uh as a promoter.
As someone who could speak well and speak well with boxing, he did, he did do a very good job at that press conference.
I thought it was the turtleneck that did it for sure um.
As you said, all promoters have to wear a turtleneck right, yeah.
Absolutely no, i was shocked, i’m not going to say he made a fan of me, but i mean god i mean yes, i was expecting something different haven’t seen him in that way.
Before and uh, that’s really surprised, really approachable.
Um yeah was there with all the questions he didn’t stop.
It was the other chap from most valuable uh promotions, which actually stops any interviews or cut them short or the amount of time.
But jake was was very happy to speak and speak very well um.
Yes, you know um, i’m with what has basically happened, especially that this is going to be the biggest payday for female fighters, and you have to say that a lot of it has got to do with.
I think his input fair play.
Let him continue more into this and he seems very content with with pushing the ladies.
So absolutely all the way.
This is because this is unfair, and this is going to make the whole game of women’s boxing a lot better, because the money is going to be there.
It’S going to attract them there, because this is what has happened.
I think, with women’s boxing over the years.
Is that if you look at women’s boxing from 20 years ago, i mean you would have had as much enjoyment watching a bar room brawl? I mean you know technique-wise, it was not there.
The person that changed changed it back then was that would have been uh.
Christy martin, this is when it started to improve you had laila ali you had who was the undefeated um riker? I think the dutch girl who went to unbeaten shame that she was never matched up with christy martin way back then, but these were the women that started changing it, but even since then it’s completely changed.
You know the the quality.
Is there um quantity? Well, taking that over to the duration of the round, so just get over to three rounds.
Uh sorry for three minutes 12 rounds up the money you’re going to see women’s boxing change and improve even more um.
I’Ve been given 30 years, you’ll even have guys versus girls or sooner well.
It was interesting to see what the the people at that press conference and, and what that is doing, is is instilling uh.
What we, the fans, hope to see as well, that it’s not just a women’s boxing match, but it’s a boxing match and i like the way that the people who were speaking were speaking of equality in that manner.
And i think, by having these two women headlined at madison square gardens, you are putting them on this very same platform as many men would relish as well, and so will men and women go toe-to-toe.
Eventually, that’s a good one uh.
It has actually happened before there is something on the internet, but this was many years ago, but that was very sort of tongue-in-cheek with that.
But you know it’s improving.
I mean you compare it to 20 years ago.
There’S there’s no comparison whatsoever uh.
If the money is going to be there, it’s going to completely be transcended absolutely all the way with this um i’ve seen the comments about the press conference doesn’t mean much absolutely completely true, but it’s.
It just reminded me of how you had the two different personalities and how the personalities are is how they are as a fighter um.
I just think that katie taylor, i think the big question with this – is that not so much i don’t think that katie taylor’s on the decline, because that could be put down.
You know to the opposition in front of her, but take that out of the equation.
It’S whether she could raise her game to keep somebody off her.
Where hits that much harder, you know amanda serrano.
She stops opponents.
This is something that generally doesn’t happen within two minutes of of women’s boxing.
You know clarissa shields a full example of how many of a bout she’s won.
What is it two kos and a lot of it is to do with.
Obviously, they don’t punch as hard.
You know power and you know combine that with obviously the way to such that that doesn’t match compared to a guy.
But it’s the two minutes: duration as well, but serrano.
She stops her opponent, she’s going to be the aggressor she’s going to be the one.
That’S going to be landing, the hurting punches, it all depends if katie taylor, i think, can do enough to keep her off of her, and i think, if she’s going to be doing enough to keep her off of there, that doesn’t mean she’s going to be doing Enough to win the fight, i don’t think that uh i mean amanda serrano compared to the last couple of um opponents, completely different she’s got to it’s all down to whether she can raise her game from the last two opponents.
That is just the the the main question with this.
If she can’t it’ll be a points, loss, um, minimum or worse uh worst case would be a late stoppage, but i still say: amanda serrano she’s on fire, and i think that sometimes that is uh the most important thing when, when you actually find out or decide Who you think is going to win is whether they are on that role at that time, because you see it, somebody with you know so many times different fighters, not the case of um amanda serrano is unbeaten because she’s not but she’s on a roll.
That’S what 28 fights unbeaten she is on a roll.
She is stopping them she’s doing well, she is sometimes the you have the fighter who’s on the roll who’s got.
The the big performances and you’ve got the fighter who is not on the roll and the performances are not there.
Is it a decline? I think that’s harsh, but i just don’t think she’s on her own game.
She needs to get back up to that.
If not, that’s it other than that, i think i’ll be sounding quite repetitive.
You know the one thing that i’ve noticed uh when it comes to women’s boxing is given the given the different uh, all the different divisions, but all the different titles that are available.
An awful lot of them are still vacant, and so there’s a lot of room for women to move up and compete and compete uh quite heavily.
Quite frankly, if the money is there, which is in direct contradiction quite frankly, to a lot of these old school promoters who were still in the game, notwithstanding bob aaron, but for example, we had rick glaser on the show last friday and as quite frankly, an admitted Old-School promoter he’s not in favor of women boxing and doesn’t support it, which is too bad um.
But there are an awful lot of vacant titles available, including, i believe, the the heavyweight and light, but i mean how many heavyweight, okay, i’m being a bit sexist.
I suppose i’m not really sure how many heavyweight women there are out there competing at this moment, but i’ll tell you one thing: the one thing that i think turned the tide with respect to fan engagement, if you will in in taking wins in women’s boxing seriously, Was that fight last year between shannon courtney and ebony bridges, when we saw the result uh of that fight now shannon deserved the win because ebony, if you remember, if you remember the picture, i mean her eye – is the size of a grapefruit and and then fully Blood red, and yet she fought all the way to the bitter end and was absolutely injured.
I forget the head of the headline the headline at the time and beyond it was beyond battered.
I mean uh poor ebony uh like took a beating but stood on her feet to the very end is my point, and i think that turned a lot of heads and took women boxing quite seriously, not that they didn’t before i’m talking from a fan perspective, i Thought turned on a lot of fans because the other thing that’s going on in the sport uh, you have very sexy, looking girls, quite frankly, very fit young women fighting as you do in the men’s sport.
I suppose uh you’re very fit young men fighting it out and that’s what potentially attracts women uh but anyway, the point of matter is: is you’ve got an awful lot of young women now engaged in the sport competing at various levels, and there are an awful lot Of vacant titles available to be one, and if the money’s there you’re going to see this sport, women in the sport get very much more competitive, very, very quickly, and i think this year 2022, especially when we have uh clarissa shields with savannah marshall, called her clarissa Um, you know you’ve got some some big name, girls who are out there right now, looking for big name fights and if you have guys like eddie, hearn and jake paul, quite frankly, as opposed to these quote old school promoters.
Putting up the money for these fights good on them, because i want to see more of it and i’m looking forward to it.
Yes, the for once the depth would be there, because this is one thing which is a shame about women’s books and as much as you know, the they have improved as fighters technically link-wise.
There still isn’t a depth there.
This is why a lot of these female fighters can do.
Multi weakness is not taking anything from amanda serrano.
A lot of them can go up and down in weights because the competition isn’t there and that’s why you can fight for a world title as a female.
In your just say, hypothetically fifth, pro fight the depth, isn’t there and the money is going to bring it, and that is going to be a big game.
Changer, with the amount of people coming in um quantity, you could get more competition, the competition will get higher.
It’S it was it’s going to get good i used to.
I never used to watch it at all, and it’s only as of you know two three years ago that i started back watching it again.
Um.
Yes, the the um ebony bridges showing was a very good gutsy performance, which was surprising from you know, from stereotypically, where you’d see a pretty girl, you wouldn’t think she’s got a heart of a lion, but she did bless her um.
You know this is a very good year for women’s boxing, because you’ve obviously got this one and you’ve got the other big one which is touchwood supposedly going to be made in the summer with savannah marshall and clarissa shields.
Obviously, with closer shields, we uh winning last weekend against uh emma kozin um.
I thought, if you saw, did you see the fight? Oh savannah, marshall was a ringside and she was pretending to be asleep very comical.
Um.
You had the end of the fight.
You had obviously the usual back and forth, and it was um very unusual for um.
The silent assassin she’s called the sun assassin because she’s very quiet, but you had savannah marshall um in a very unusual situation and she was giving it loads.
It was good to see um really surprised me.
Actually.
He was uh very loud, very outgoing, for her.
It would be great fine.
I do think – and i do think with that – one um.
No other reason.
I just think that savannah marshall is gon na, have clarissa shields number um.
She shouldn’t because correction shields is that much better.
I’M not going to read too much into the amateur win.
You know with um right vanna marshall, the only person that’s ever had a win.
Um over closer shields close to shows his only loss not reading to that because amateurs, one thing that was a long time ago with two completely different uh beasts.
Now i’m just basing that on how they are now, and i just think that uh uh um uh.
Sorry, doctor, let me get this one, who is it um, not chris’s shields, but um savannah she’s got just gon na have too much.
You know she hits very hard.
She better keep the distance.
She’S got those long, arms long levers.
It’S going to be a complete, complete um, i think a dominant win, i think for her, it’s uh.
That is another one and that should be happening in the summer.
Obviously, the idea was that sir clarissa was going to win her fight.
She did savannah’s got to win her fight, that’s against uh.
Is it hanky heinkel, whatever the name is um that should be routine for her, then supposedly everything’s all in place that they should be fighting for the summer? That is two big women’s fights very, very close.
Together, wow, what a time and if money comes into it, what a great combination to get this moving um things are going to change um, and it’s really good and it’s nice actually talking about something.
Instead of um tyson fury and dillian white, all the heavyweights, who do you think? Oh sorry, good? No! No, that’s correct! I was gon na say i was gon na say we had a young lady uh on our show a couple of weeks back uh out of lancashire, um hannah bagley and hannah bagley originally was in the the gym, training merely training.
It was just for fitness and had no desire whatsoever to enter the boxing ring.
She even admitted she didn’t grow up as a boxing fan, but she was invited into the ring and she didn’t and she said and in our show she said she didn’t think she would enjoy either punching literally punching someone or getting hit in the face.
But she said once she did she enjoyed it and she loves the sport now she’s fighting competitively and there there’s a good example where i think you’re going to see a lot of young women move out of the boxing ring.
Simply for uh fitness reasons and into the ring to fight, because they are that good and you take a look at the the difference i mean you’ve got, you’ve got female women and female women.
You’Ve got women from around the world.
Quite frankly, now who are competing for these uh titles, i mean speaking of christy martin.
She she she’s now a promoter and she put on a great fight on the weekend, uh in saint augustine florida.
So you know women are taking taking their just due when it comes to their role in the sport.
So the older women are remaining in the sport to to bring up these young women through the ranks and and i’m seeing a lot like jessica, mccaskill and she’s got a great future ahead of her too she’s got a few fights left it’ll be interesting to see.
If you, you see, the same thing happen in women’s as you do in men’s, the they’re moving up different up and down the different uh weight, divisions and uh, and you see that level of competition height with every successive fight, and i think you will, i mean, Take a look at alicia bond partner.
She delivered some heavy punches.
I feel sorry for michaela mayer, by the way uh being on bob bob aaron’s roster.
I mean she must feel like crap after what he said about uh women’s boxing.
You know so there’s a couple of really good names out there that i think will bring fans uh, not only pay-per-view fans or fans into the stadiums or arenas uh to watch them.
Go toe-to-toe, certainly amanda serrano and katy taylor to toe is just going to heighten the level of exposure to to what you might see of a comparable men’s event.
So i’m really i’m really looking forward to it.
I really am i’m going to be a great year, so it’s an early prediction: svena marshall cluster shields.
Who do you have winning uh clarissa shields? Interesting? Because we don’t agree on that.
One and katie taylor amanda serrano uh, i’m gon na i’m gon na pick amanda serrano.
As i said earlier, i said i’ve been a big fan of the katie, been promoting katie for two years uh, but this fight uh, and especially after the press conference.
It just didn’t seem like katie’s heart was in it like it didn’t look like she was gung-ho like she’s itching to fight like she’s, not gon na, say it wasn’t the usual katie taylor.
Absolutely.
This is what i mean by she’s got to bring back her old game, and that is the question, because the caterpillar of the past couple of fights will not live with amanda serrano at all.
In that fight, it won’t even be close.
Um again, i just think that’s the um, the deciding factor with all of this yeah hannah bagley.
She um it’s funny, brought something she had.
If i remember right a very her first, she was a white collar boxing.
I do believe – and that is something some in the uk that is really on the rise.
I must look into this more i’ve never been to white collar show anyway, but there’s so many more of these happening now, and i think this is going to be bringing again if the money is there, it’s going to be bringing more women over via this route.
Um hannah bagley she had about a couple of fights.
I think it was.
I know she had.
She was meant to be fighting on a dennis options.
Hobson show in the uk, the opponent pulled out last minute.
She had an exhibition about with um hannah rankin uh.
Remember that that was up in, i think sheffield.
I think it was um but yeah, attractive young lady as well.
But yes, there’s glamour coming over um everything else.
The money was just the one thing that was uh lacking.
I mean amanda serrano one and a half thousand dollars to defend a world title ridiculous, how the hell um! I don’t know how long that ago, that was and for which title etc, but still regardless.
You know world champion really.
I think a world champion in any sport would uh win more than that, but uh no jake paul um his input.
I can only assume um, i don’t think it would have been happening had it not been for jake paul coming in with this and being amanda’s promoter um.
So i’m going to say thank you jake paul, because i think things now are going to get very interesting.
I really hope that he expands the staple and grows his team and puts more women on the world stage he could and he should, and that would go towards putting his money where his mouth is no disrespect, because, quite frankly, i i didn’t like him as a Fighter i didn’t like who he who he was fighting or choosing to fight uh.
I did think it was just a little bit of a self-promotion and uh, but now i like i said at that press conference i actually enjoyed listening to what he had to say about women in general and the sport of female boxing.
I mean it’s growing by leaps and bounds.
I mean two years ago here on talking fight.
We joked about starting our own management company, because uh the women who we were talking to were admitting.
They were getting paid, such small amounts of money and worse than they’re, going wow.
We should manage some of these girls put on some of these fights.
That would make it shift on the money quite frankly and uh anyway, two years later, uh with jake paul now bumping those figures up into the seven figures.
I think we’re out the game uh, but nonetheless i mean it’s really good to see the progression of the sport as quickly as it has well.
Katie taylor might argue it’s taken since 2012 when they burst out uh women uh in the olympics, boxing uh.
So you know he might argue, he’s taken.
She might argue it’s taken 10 years to get this far, but i’ve seen a super fast rise in the popularity of women’s boxing in the past two years and and the women that when the women that we interview are so excited so amenable so agreeable to fight.
Take a look at miyamoto, probably unknown uh in most of the world, but a new new zealand champ mother of five.
I think i think she’s undefeated now and uh.
You know people like that are gon na and they’re gon na make changes.
If you will in attitude the way we perceive women in the sport right now, i mean with the women in the olympics that made a big difference.
That really did solidify women’s boxing and i think that’s a katy taylor to thank because i think the story is right – that uh she’s, the one that went to the olympic committee and said that you know she’ll be women in the olympics and the rest of it.
And uh with her winning gold, all the rest of it.
It’S uh history, just breaking away for women for one moment, i’m just curious to hear your thoughts, because i don’t think we’ve ever discussed it before jake paul, just on the subject of him as a fighter.
How do you rate him bear in mind, he’s had five pro in inverted brackets fights.
How do you? How do you view him absolutely did not take him seriously until that last fight, when that knockout truly was an amazing shot.
Uh absolutely floored the poor guy and he landed face first on the canvas that guy was out, cold, uh and so i’ll.
Give jake paul, and you know what going going back a year or two.
We were there anyway out of california uh, who had been in the ring with jake paul training with jake paul and was telling us how seriously jake paul was taking his boxing.
His training in particular, he really wanted to learn the sport.
He really wanted to learn how to box not just punch, and so oh zab judah.
So there’s there’s a great boxer being interviewed by us telling us to watch out for this guy jake paul he’s taking it seriously he’s taking these uh these training sessions quite seriously and watch out for him.
Now, what now what we were getting upset was with the the level of competition uh, you know, was it being taken, you know, was it taken for granted who who he was fighting, because he knew he would beat them these people weren’t professional boxers? These were former mma fighters and even one might have taken a dive um, but you know for a million bucks, maybe that’s what he did do, but at the end of the day, uh up until that last fight.
I didn’t take him very seriously.
I like him to be blunt much better as a promoter he’s got 20 million followers who literally could begin to follow boxing the real sport of boxing, and if he does, he will change the game and if he says what he says, he’s going to do and That is elevate women in the sport, wow more power to him i’ll give him that credit uh.
But you know i’ve been for his first four fights, which we watched, uh, i’m not gon na, say i wasn’t impressed, i mean he knows how to perform.
He knows what he’s doing, but remember too, these were trailer events, so you had were they boxing events or a concert interspersed with some level of fighting? So so we weren’t really taking jake paul the boxer quite seriously up until that last uh fight and that knockout was incredible with you fully, but i took him more seriously from the first woodley fight as much as it was debatable.
He won.
It was a split decision, win, etcetera.
He just looks more of a fight at that point and i do get the negative press etc towards him, because obviously he’s put himself on the you know the top of a bill.
You know in front of a heck of a lot of people, but that aside, he’s now had an inverted bracket, so try and choose my words right as such five kind of professional fights um really take the novice youtubers out of the equation.
That’S going to be, how many did he find? He thought one youtuber one of them was the was the um.
Other chat went face first down on the floor with the dreadlocks nate um robinson nate rodney.
What was he he was a.
He was a nba nba guy, so he was a basketball player turned boxing so bar so a basketball player, okay, mma fighters, you had a wrestler, you chose somebody that wasn’t a striker okay, woodley was reasonable as a striker and as a boxer and came in both Of those those um bouts to win now the first one, i thought that’s what i started where you started going up with that one, because i think, on a second take away all the negative press, because people always hate anyway, and people will certainly hate.
When you see somebody at the top of the bill like that, but if you look at any other fighter that has had five pro fights and especially with no amateur background, taking that into consideration with the power that he is showing because of that was obviously a Powerful shot when he knocked out um woodley in the second fight that would have knocked out a lot of other people.
There are not many people with firefights that are doing that and i hope the tommy fury fight does go ahead.
I don’t think it will, but i think jake paul would have won that fight and toby fury is a boxer and defeated okay.
We can.
We can scoff that because the level of opposition hasn’t been high, but you know and he’s had probably five fights as well.
It’S it’s seven or five or something it’s around that area.
I think he would have.
You know.
I think he would have beaten him, because you look at fury how he fought the other chap.
I can’t remember that the guy’s name was it.
Take somebody taylor um.
He was an ex mma fighter.
He was completely a lot lighter than fury.
He was a heck of a lot shorter and he made a fight of it, so that was a pro boxer in boxing against mma fighter and the mma fighter was doing really well.
So if you put that over to jake paul fighting an mma fighter like fury, was completely two different results and woodley was far better than i think the taylor guy that fury thought um.
That was awful and that was you know, jake paul he’s going to fight boxes.
I think, to a certain degree, which is my words run again.
He will be successful, you’ll never be world champion.
I don’t think would be the case, but you you get up to a level and not progress further to that.
What that level is, is the question mark, but certainly as a five and oh fighter, where basically, probably three of them really aren’t proper fights you might as well say you know in hindsight two you know two proper fights as such, with woodley he’s, not looking bad I’Ll add to that, though i mean he has what you might call a varied career.
I mean disney, he he does and has done.
A lot of things tried a lot of things and no matter what he’s done he’s been successful at it.
So you might argue that he’s been a boxer, he succeeded uh.
His last fight was probably his best fight and does he need to prove himself anymore in the ring? The answer is no, so might we see him in the ring maybe, but does he have to enter the ring again? No he’s now uh.
I think he’s not not that he admitted this during that press conference, but he alluded to the fact that he was enjoying promoting uh, not that it’s up his alley, but in the sense that he’s a newcomer to the game and he’s learning and he’s enjoying learning.
Uh, you know it’s something else for him to tackle and he is tackling it very, very well so for him now now, maybe his ego will put him back into the ring, but does he need to go back into the ring and the answer is no, he Can exit at the top of his game? Quite frankly, if that was what his goal was and be happy with what he’s achieved.
He certainly doesn’t need the money, as opposed to many other people out there in the boxing world who do need the money, but at the end of the day, that’s that’s what i’m saying i’m saying wow.
If he recognizes, i mean he’s invested in, if i’m not mistaken, ufc to enable those fighters to get a bigger, paycheck uh and if he’s entered the game with respect to women in the sport to enable them to get a bigger paycheck, i mean wow.
There aren’t too many people out there who will say i’m in this to ensure that that guy or that gal gets paid accordingly, like there’s not too many people, who’ll say that absolutely short period of time as a promoter he’s in it short period, huge fight made.
Well, what a start? Um, i’m talking myself into being a jake paul fanboy here, but um varied career.
Yes, but when i tell world uh told my elder daughter that we’re coming he’s like.
Oh, i love him.
I used to you know: watch him on disney like yeah same one, um he’s going to find again.
As he said it’s going to be later this year, um he will and i think you’ll find that he will fight until he gets beaten.
I think he’ll be continued, call, it ego call it whatever um.
I think he does need the money he’s worth 30 million, but i think when you’re 20, how old is he early 20s? Whatever it is? I think, when you’re that age you go through money, especially with the lifestyle he’s got very quickly so um.
That would be saying that you know where’s the money from the boxing, not really that’s from youtube.
So the youtube thing is not going to uh.
All of a sudden stop that’s only going to grow so actually i’ll.
Take that back but um.
Maybe if the money all helps all goes into the same pot, 30 million.
I think he’s doing quite well, but no welcome addition to um to boxing.
I was about to say yeah, i mean we have spoken about this before.
Actually, where does it actually bring in new blood, or does it take away from old blood as in the amount of money, because you know people got so much money to spend on pay-per-views on subscriptions and everything else? So with these trilla or alternative events mixed with music and 54 year old x, heavyweight champions, etc, um and this triad thing: what do you make of that that triad, all in the i must watch it? Actually, i did.
I did see the bulgarian chap who won uh against.
Was it frank, moore that was uh? I’Ve got the name right um that was cute uh pulev.
Was it murrah? I think he was fighting.
That was just an absolute blowout, but uh, you know that’s just alternative stuff, which is just seems to be what that channel is all about whatever, but uh welcome addition to boxing um yeah.
I think it can help if you work one thing to the other, because, yes, people have got so much money to spend on pay-per-views and subscriptions and everything else you know taking that into equation.
I think, is a welcome addition because it does it needs it.
Does boxing is not, as you know, people say boxing is not you know at the top of the game at the moment.
Yes, it’s not the 90s.
Yes, it’s not the 70s, but um.
It’S not that low.
Otherwise these big funds would not be there to pay.
The big fighters – and that goes into that good old thing, where you have a top ufc fighter um, you know with how much they get uh paid last one – was what five hundred thousand dollars um.
These are only rough figures where heavyweight champion now will get paid.
You know which champions want to do it, uh 20 million just rough figure.
You know the two isn’t comparable.
Does that mean that donna white doesn’t pay his champions? High was the case if the money just isn’t there compared to boxing, but any point i’m just trying to make from that is that you know boxing isn’t as bad as people say.
It is at the moment um.
What is missing at the moment is the top fights being made.
That’S the problem, and that goes back to old conversations that we’ve had where um fighters are not prepared, the top fighters not prepared to meet each other for whatever reason full circle back to women’s boxing and you’ve got two fights where you’ve got the best versus the Best with all of the two fights back to back two different promotional outfits that is so good to see, so so so good um, i’m just going to just in a couple of comments about white collar um with the white collar boxing.
Yes, they seem to be.
We got, i don’t know much about it.
I know i don’t know what it’s like over with you, but over here it seems to be.
You’Ve got a couple of good, or this is okay.
I can only talk from how it was say a number of years ago, because i was going to do a white collar fight, but you seems to have in a very uh black and white example.
You have good promotions and the ones which are fully vetted um, fully controlled, very strict, very this very that with all the appropriate medicals a lot safer and they’ve got say the age i can’t remember, which one it was was something like a.
I think it was 46 or something because that’s when i hit 46 i got injured, then i couldn’t do it because i was 46 by the time my injury recovered gutted um, but then you have all the others, as everyone was telling me about, and i looked At some of the other white collar events, which were on youtube, which were from the batch of the others that i was told about – and i was like no way um – not that there was anything to be scared of apart from it – was not controlled um.
You know the the chaps weren’t you know listening or adhering at all to what the the refs were saying: um.
It was no, no, no, no, no, no, the time passed couldn’t do it move on, and that was a big shame, because that’s the one thing i hate the word bucket list, but that’s the one thing that’s uh as much as i’ve uh been punching and kicking.
It’S a completely different game than just punching in the square ring which i would have loved to have tried once, but no but um, no, the white collar um, there’s good and there’s some very bad uh.
I haven’t heard of any fatalities or anything um with that.
But you know it’s like a lot of things, there’s a, i think, only a matter of time.
I mean how much it goes over with you over here, i’m in toronto, uh and akin to wall street in new york.
We have what’s called bay street and bay street is more or less shall we say the financial district and there used to be an organization pre-covet who would put on an annual charity event, uh so very similar to what you’re saying in terms of white-collar boxing.
These chaps would be executives at a firm who were fit and entered the ring at about, and but it was for, charity um.
But the interesting thing about these alternate forms now that you’re starting to see – and i would argue whether they’re popular because anything can be popular at the moment, so you’ve got uh bare knuckle boxing.
For example, uh you’ve got the triad that recently was introduced, which i believe they’re being sued for that by the way that the name and also you’ve recently got uh joining the popularity ranks uh pillow fighting uh.
Yes, i saw that last week for the first time.
What the hell, so there you go, maybe i can do a white collar pillow fight there we go, but there you go to to to.
I can’t remember when women were also pillow fighting in this particular uh match.
I was watching i thought, were they were definitely two big boys going at it swinging these pillows at each other.
I mean they certainly look like heavy bags of something um, but anyway it’s so it’s it’s interesting, and i think i think.
Therefore, if boxing is to stand on its pedigree uh, you know you’ve got you’ve got the history.
You’Ve got the legacy.
You’Ve got the names in the game uh, i think 2022 will be a great year for boxing in general.
I think i think the introduction of of women at this level will be fantastic for the sport for fans in general.
I think these other alternate sports that i just mentioned more or less make a mockery of combat sports.
Have you have you seen this by the way? I forget what it’s called, but let’s call it face to face boxing where two guys join.
Let’S say their left hands and literally stand a foot apart from each other and hit each other in the face.
I believe it’s out of russia uh until one of them goes down.
Yeah, that’s russia! So i’m just saying there are these and then, like i’m saying, they’re they’re popular for the minute, in other words, it might garner a hundred thousand youtube views.
Uh uh, but dude are there fans? No, i mean this is this is stuff that you? You know the the the one-hit wonders that we used to call it in the music industry, the one you know where, where are they now type thing? But anyway, my point is: is uh boxing has an opportunity uh to really regain its its elite position in the world of combat sports uh from the from the 70s.
You might have seen an eclipse of boxing by wwe.
You might have seen the clips of wwe.
Well, that could be argued by the ufc, but i think nowadays boxing can make a statement by being uh properly controlled and i was about to say rigidly controlled.
That would be the wrong word and there are still a lot of changes to be made.
There are still two, in my humble opinion, it’s still very confusing with for the average fan to understand the different divisions, the different organizations that compete against each other.
There still needs to be more unification.
Actually, if you ask me in the sport um, you know, and more more or less what we’re saying earlier, uh that we really need to see more of the best of the best go toe-to-toe uh in that respect, if i can backtrack for one second to something, We were mentioning last week, you were talking about canelo and how he has basically buffered his career statistically, but he, i believe, he’s about to sign a deal via eddie hearn.
If i’m not mistaken and i’m not reading this off any screen, but against bible and triple g would be his ex-opponents, which is something we mentioned last week.
What has happened then to makabu? That’S a good question.
I haven’t seen him in the headlines this past week, because this no there’s been nothing about it um.
The last thing was that the obviously that the fight with kabu and the other chap the rematch whoever’s going to win that wbc had given the approval for that to go ahead.
There has been nothing at all mentioned since now.
Out of curiosity, you know this is going way off women’s boxing, but i’m very good at that we’ve brought up canelo have did you with what i was saying about the type of opponents that he has faced recently as in typical and not being racist? We’Ve got to choose what was right with this, but the the white non-movers.
Did you check his uh career to see what i meant uh? No, i i didn’t sorry, i didn’t do my homework.
Sorry teach okay! Well, do check it.
Here’S you know curious to hear next week what you think, because it was it wasn’t after the uh, it was after the mayweather um fight.
Where that he was our box.
I know a lot of people say that you know mayweather was picking on somebody that hadn’t uh wasn’t at the top of the game, yet handfully matured, but being fair mayweather was the other side of his peak as well.
So you had somebody not as good as they were against somebody, that’s or not as good as they could be against somebody, that’s not as good as they were, but since that loss there was one other loss.
I think that dotted the eyes and crosstees against whichever fighter it was, and it was um a close fight and they gave him fits because they were out boxing him.
He just stayed away from boxers and there’s.
I think this may be allow myself to be correct.
One deviation from that, but there will be regardless of whatever deviation is there will be a but to it they’ve all been stereotypical european stand-up fighters that will stand in front of him and fight yeah.
The exception was billy, joe saunders, but then belligio saunders was not the maneuver, the maneuvering boxer he was at middleweight and a more static bully, joe saunders.
Hence the risk was taken there because billy, joe saunders, was not what he was as a fighter, but every single fighter has been a person that at least would be somebody that would stand in front of him still a great fighter, but not the panther pound best, Because he has been very much a cherry-picking, the fighters – and i know it’s been going on for a long long time – um historically there’s lots of fights where people have been dragged down.
I think you mentioned this last week that was notorious for sugar landed against donnie lalonde, where it was for both the super middleweight um championship and the light heavy, but it was set to catch weight if you remember, and it was brought down what was that 1987, I think it was the lawn was brought down in weight and he was drained and if you look at how he was physically, his his body was not the same as how he was as the light heavyweight champion.
But that is the tactics that is going on.
Now, with canelo, unfortunately, whether it be uh was mentioned, catch weight or there’d, be some kind of you know it’s quickly after your other fight sergio kovalev, when that fight happened, he was he had that life of death without the yard um he knocked yard out.
Luckily, because he was behind and then it was like weeks later, he was fighting um canelo, very, very quick and you know who won but they’ve all been rocky fielding.
All these fighters have been english european fighters, not movers, somebody that does that and for it to be very obvious in your face to me, doesn’t you know: belong in pound per pound um, which is unfair, the heavyweights at the moment, um they’re not getting together and And again you know i’m going to relate this to the women katie taylor amanda serrano.
They are the best.
It has happened.
You know you.
You’Ve got savannah marshall and clarissa shields.
I know it’s been going on a little while um it’s been mooted, but you have to to a certain degree but build up the fights, but that is two in the best you know to the best in the respective divisions.
Again, this is showing up the guys, because the guys are just too is it the promoters? Is it the fighters but they’ve just been too scared to to have some kind of they’re, just not letting go, and just you know, unless the money’s there or this is there or rematches are there or, but that was very interesting thing that said to you by The way that the never knew this, as we said, the rematch clause, was only if the champion lost, never knew that yeah.
I didn’t either um.
I’Ve learned something new every day, but no best the fight and the best women’s boxing is um gon na be good.
It’S gon na improve and i don’t know if you saw what was written on uh jake paul’s cap was it make uh making boxing making boxing grid again? Yes, like uh taking off of donald trump’s week in making america good again, whatever loved it fair play, not a fanboy but gone way up.
In my estimation, attitude was um, a big part of that and that’s not just on a stage in front of cameras but off the cameras as well, really to behave so uh, not quite a fan but get in there um.
But if you could do a lot for women’s boxing for why we are here today, um, yes, it is good, but uh i’m going to stick with my predictions.
We will see we’re only disagreeing on the shields versus uh marshall, bounce, um, yeah, no savannah marshall.
I just think she’s got a number um she’s got pout long levers.
I think those long levers will keep her at bay and i just don’t think shields has got the power to keep somebody with those strong.
You know levers uh off of her.
I mean she is so strong and i remember a short while ago my picture taken with uh marshall and i had my hand around her back and i just literally just put my hand on her back.
It was like imagined, you know, hitting something solid.
That girl is so strong.
You know it was like hardened bodybuilders back.
It was solid.
You know just just pat in the back.
Just you know, arm around pants in the back.
Nothing else um was it like whoa, okay, you know sort of that upset her, because i just just imagine she’s strong and uh that’d be too much for clarissa uh.
I look forward to the results of that one out of curiosity um when you’re at the press conference uh.
Were there any comments made off-camera by jake paul with respect to any future advancements to the sport that he has in mind.
We we discussed last week in general in general, or women uh for the women specifically, because there’s there’s more opportunity in the women’s side of the boxing than that yeah.
He just he just wants it nothing more than because there was.
There was hardly any conversations off of camera because it was literally one person next person, next person um, but it’s just that the general feel is that he wants to build the stable the money.
This is not a one-off, he could put more money into it and he was, as you were saying earlier, just going on about the women’s sport, making it good.
I i mean if that is wholeheartedly meant which, as far as i could tell, it, was fantastic great excellent um.
I did with open arms welcome into the you know to the game: yeah uh, why? Why not? Why not the more the merrier uh as we’ve spoken? Often – and there are more independents who are putting on uh bouts, very worthy cards, quite frankly, that that you and i discuss uh through, for example, the news every single day that you’re putting on your website that i’m repeating and it’s getting quite a reaction from around The world there are independent promoters uh who are making money uh they’re, not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, but they’re making money the boxers are making money.
It’S improving the sport, but on this level i want to ask you uh.
It was recently announced that boxing would not be part, i believe, of the 2028 olympic games, so for all the the advances that we’ve made in the amateur sport with respect to the olympics.
How do you think that announcement is going to affect the women, especially the women, because of the advancements that have been made by, for example, katie taylor, a big shame, a big shame all round now, that’s boycotting it because of the country.
What’S the reason again with that that was the was it actually stance? I don’t think so.
I think i i think it’s still more to do with the uh, the uh.
Well, what was the aipa um and – and you know the the fact that uh it they hadn’t sorted out whatever issues they were supposed to have sorted out uh by the upcoming olympics, and so uh boxing has been dropped from the olympics into other sports as well, And which is really a shame, if you think about historically i mean boxing is probably you know with respect to the oldest profession in the world.
I think i think fighting probably would take that whether whether men, actually or women fought professionally two thousand three thousand years ago, another discussion, but i think i think, as far as the olympics are concerned, i think boxing should be an olympic sport.
It’S really too bad that it as of today it’s been dropped.
Yeah, it’s a shame because of when was the first women’s uh inclusion.
I think that was 2012, so 12, 16.
20 there’s! Oh okay, uh, not many! So yeah it’s a shame, um, but i think all that how that’s going to change anything is.
I just think people are going to be turning over quickly because there’s just going to be no reason to hang around um.
Is it going to be a good thing about things, it’s a bad thing from a sentimental point and with the traditional route with obviously amateur trying to go through to the olympics gold medal turning pro um, but it will just.
I think you just have a bigger influx um, because i think women this this year is going to change it.
You know you’ve got it’s.
It’S everyone’s faces, it’s a huge fight, big money and as a third factor now with that um.
This could be a big influx of women, but i think we’ll possibly have a limited amateur background which is going to be the shame uh, which could be a shame, but you know for any um, but whether it be mental or females.
What’S gon na happen, you haven’t got that depth there at all.
You haven’t got even enough journey women as such in the game, and this is apparent when you see if you follow a lot of women fighters, regardless of whatever level they’re at there’s, so many fighters or fights that take place with women and it’s one two.
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