Is Trevor Bryan worthy of being a ‘world heavyweight champion’? | Boxen247 with Kristian

Kristian from Boxen247 is back in the TalkinFight studios to discuss undefeated 32-year-old heavyweight, Floridian Trevor Bryan (22-0, 15 KOs) who utilized 20-lb. weight and five-inch height advantages to narrowly defend his WBA crown for the initial time in a split-decision triumph over WBA No.13-ranked contender Jonathan Guidry (17-1-2, 10 KOs), of Dulac, La.

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[, Music, ], [, Music, ], hello, boxing fans around the world thanks for joining us once again here on talk and fight joining me in the studio today, we’ve got christian von sponik head honcho of boxing 247, our friends across the pond, how you doing christian, i’m Very good, how are you going excellent, very good? Thank you.

Uh.

I see uh we’re gon na be talking about trevor, bryan and uh.

So just for fun.

Before we get started, i said to myself: wow it’s gon na be a short conversation.

So just for fun, i went to the box right.

I went to box rack, i’m looking, i’m looking holy crap he’s, not even in the top 25, where the heck is this.

Guy um, i know i know he was on the uh.

The don king promoted fight this past weekend, which he won.

I think his split decision and uh so anyway, so but you put him in the headline.

So what do you have to say about this young man? Well with the question of uh, should he be as such the wba world heavyweight champion? The answer is not a long one um, it is very short and simple answer is no absolutely not no way.

How can he be the heavyweight champion a in the condition that he was in and it’s not like? He is a career that condition he came in way way way overweight.

I mean on the way up he he was a lot lighter and he’s not even performing as a champ compared to how he was on the way up anyway, uh and that wasn’t sort of great that any of the the top 10 in the world top 15 Would have nightmares about um, no, just completely completely just um a disappointment on why the wb haven’t sorted out this this situation – i don’t know.

Admittedly, the wba are doing quite well with a lot of the belts this belt front, whatever all these other made up, trinket belts, which are there, they are scaling it down, but they need to bring the scaling down onto this kind of debacle anyway, because if you You know trevor bryan going around calling himself the world heavyweight champion.

No cannot undeserved.

It is not right, it is just wrong.

What do you think, i’m in total agreement um like i’m, i’m somewhat astounded and somewhat speechless at this whole as you’ve called it? A debacle simply because you take a look, i’m just glancing with my left eye over here, uh at the box, and i’m saying to myself my god, man with this guy.

If he wants to even go like we were talking about this last week.

If you want to even unclog that that top five you’re looking at 2024 um, and so this guy’s holding onto a wba championship belt, clinging onto it, i might add uh but and who’s he got next like daniel dubois.

What uh i’m confused, i’m actually confused.

Apparently, yes, that is going to be daniel dubois, and it’s a funny one with with this, because of if you go back to when you had the wbo that came about in what was it 1988? I think it was.

You had the the ibf, which was the the early 80s.

It is not the belt that made the champion.

It was the champion that made the belt and, if you get somebody who is going to be more decent um as a fighter as a heavyweight as a supposed heavyweight champion with that belt, around them, it might actually possibly could maybe have a little bit more stature To it, maybe if that’s the right word um well, darren dubai would take out brian got three rounds, certainly if brian came out in the condition that he did in the fights that he he just that last fight the other day, there was no disrespect to his Opponent that came in last notice, who uh who, who gave him a real good run for his money.

He made it a fight.

I don’t think brian was particularly expecting that to the point of it being split decision um, you know, brian is not going to be there on this world typing world title championship level for very long if a better person a better fighter or a better heavyweight.

A more worthy champion took that belt had it round their waist.

I don’t know it might add a little bit more to it, but i still it’s this whole thing, regardless of who is holding it? How can you have it? I know it’s the same with all the weights.

How can you have a world heavyweight a world whatever champion, and it not be any other guys that are at the top, with the current still going on going on and on merry-go-round, which is happening at the top and uh? Even when we spoke last week, we thought there was going to be a bit more clarity, um friday, as expected, as i heard as such um, it happened with you know, being you know with fury, because he automatically goes to fury uh white again um, you know, Thought we could have more clarity with that and there’s still murky waters with the whole thing it is not signed.

There is still a lot of silence.

There is a lot of non-clarity with that again and again and again to the point of perspectives being won.

It’S a week later what is or isn’t going on back to brian, because it’s very easy to go back up to the top of the merry-go-round and everything that has been going on for the past.

God knows whatever um, i don’t know: brian’s not gon na be up there for very long.

Unless he continues fighting the kind of people that he has.

I mean ma mood cha could come along, he is deserved to have cause.

I thought he was the was it the champion emma? How do you pronounce that word? What do they call it? The champion lucky recess, for example, uh, because you had all the stuff with um all that stuff going on with donking and and all that that was going on and char did have it, but he was stripped of it, but he was guaranteed.

You know a shot was that guaranteed shotgun i know he’s had one fight in the past got probably four or five years, which was that second round blowout of christopher lovejoy uh, but he still deserves his shot.

Now i think char at the reigns with the belt adds a little bit more than trevor brian done, because i think i think charles beat uh brian, but i’m hoping because i can’t see them as in the wba.

Taking this and just wiping this off, because you know they is by pressure that they’ve reduced the amount of belts that they’ve got anyway they’re not doing this out of now, we see the way we do it.

There’S too many belts, but no! This is not this reduction scheme that they’ve got in places, not you know from the kindness of their heart to support a boxing, because it’s wrong notes because of public pressure um, but they are still going to draw a line where they stop and with which titles.

Exactly they’re going to take off, and this will – i can’t see this being one of them, but i think the only light.

The only thing that gives us a bit of ray of hope with this.

The battle of a situation with this title is that the a better fighter will hold that bill, so you have the fighter that will make the belt not the oh, the other way around, because the belt making the fighter currently in brian is not working.

It is not um something better um dubois, i do rate him uh.

I think he will help the situation um, especially if he did fulfill some of the promise he did.

Uh show prior to the um, his one loss that he had um.

You know, i still think he’s very capable.

I think he can mix it at the top and i think he could be a better, more worthy and more accepted champ as well as long as he wins it.

If it happens – and he gets some credible position and we’re saying this – and i might regret saying this later on next week – whatever but at least you’ve got the top of the tree with those titles and it’s all clocked, there’s no more clarity, as we well know.

At least this will give some hope and make, i think, hopefully, some credible bouts that would take place at least it’ll have a little bit more shine to it being the supposed world heavyweight championship, blah blah blah of the wba uh, because you know it’s it’s clogged At the top, we are no clearer um.

You know it is now a week, a week later, you’ve had back to fury and white you’ve had the purse bids that was six days ago, where’s the announcement of the big fight.

There’S nothing all is very quiet, even with that said, because now we know that supposedly it is meant to be fury versus white.

That is happening.

So therefore, the eyes shift over to the situation with who sick of joshua with the supposed rematch bear in mind.

The rematch um has always already that clause has already been activated.

Silence nothing if i was a heavyweight fighter in the moment i was in the top 15 i’d, be kicking, scream and shouting whatever, because you’re there doing nothing, you can be mandatory and be doing nothing.

Joe joyce, what the hell and, as we said last week um, you know, you’ve got these rematches when they finally get their [ __ ] together, there’s gon na be rematch clauses, i’m sure in the fights anyway, so mandatory is not gon na i’ve said last week, Not gon na get a chance until 2024.

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I think that is very um hopeful.

It’S gon na roll over into 2025.

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It will do i’ve got unboxing crystal all out.

You see um so back to the wba regular belt.

At least it might much it might spur on some of the better fights to take place, maybe with the best of the rest, we shall see just to give you an example for the fans out there.

Just to give you an example of where this all lies.

I said earlier trevor bryant sits at number 38 on the box standings and that’s because of his point total of 6.

502 and he’s got a three-star rating sitting to above him is philippergovic with 6.

536 rating.

If you go to the top of the standings and you’ll find alexander yousick, he has 428.

5 points so you’re talking six points for trevor, bryan 428 points for alexander yousek, who’s number one and uh and he’s got a five star rating just by comparison alone.

So in between those two you’ve got what 37 fighters and then looking at the names i’m saying to myself: okay and, as i said, daniel dubois, number 22 with 17.

45 points and a four-star rating.

So that’s just by box rex calculations and where their standings are based.

On their point system, uh and you’re, looking at that and you’re saying to yourself well, i am saying to myself: you know you can sort of see, because a lot of argument has been presented.

This way you can sort of see why these guys hang on to their belts and and they’ll give don king credit for this uh.

You know you know, chair brian maintains his un unbeaten record 22-0, but you take a look at the fighters ahead of him and you’re saying pick any one of them any one of them.

Theoretically, i should be able to beat uh trevor bryant.

I know i’m blown away, you know what there’s even a canadian in there top 30 simon keene i’ve never heard of the fella but uh out of quebec with 8.

5 points.

But the point is is like the point differential between a really trop the top fighters.

The true top fighters is incredible compared to a wba heavyweight champion, and i can’t believe it.

As i said earlier, i’m speechless when i looked at this.

I went whoa completely agree um and that’s one of the comments made it’s time for a new era in heavyweight boxing.

Yes, going back to you know: dubois um, i may be completely wrong with it.

I think dubra will be one of the top guys in them.

Um he’s young he’s early early 20s.

You’Ve got, you know him that is up and coming that has got a lot of time left a lot of time.

Um.

You know gerald miller.

That is one for the future.

This is going to be the new era.

I think there’s going to be after the the u6 furies whites and ajs.

These are the kind of people which you could come through.

It might be too bad um, but it is due something it is due somebody to come along, and it is remind me very much now of that.

The eight is part of boxing um when they called it the the lost era.

I think it was when you had the title, which okay, it’s not quite like that we’re not passing the title from one to another like it was then, because it’s not even being passed around, let alone anything else.

It’S not even been fought for to pass around at the moment i mean the amount of times that the the fights have been um.

For is ridiculous.

If you compare these to, i think, to area gon na be the lowest amount ever um, especially if you, if you go back to the humdali days and things like that, where they were just you know, fighting fighting fighting and it’s the way, and i know you Have to then, because if you just got one champ um, but even now with multiple champions, but going back to the lost area, it was just the the state of what was not the state of some of the fighters.

How uh an overweight fighter going back to brian could be as such by some as a top level fighter, because as much as we’re saying this, i’m sure some people might not even agree with what we’re saying.

But there’s people out there whether it be naivety, whether it be sold by the idea of the wba heavyweight championship sold by a very good salesman called donking um.

But some people are in the belief in some people and would be if you said to them who’s.

The current heavyweight champion, some people turn around and say trevor brian, oh, my god, um, and it just goes back, and this is what i mean back back to the 80s, where that back then, if you asked who is the head, the heavy champ was heavyweight.

Champ was it was such a confusing situation, even if you did have the one dominant guy early on, which is larry holmes.

He did switch over from the wbc to the newly created ibf with much as it caused some confusion and he made the belt because he dropped wbc.

A lot of people did assume.

That was more what we would say now as a casual uh viewer of the sport.

They would think that it wasn’t actually larry holmes, but it was one of the others that picked up the wbc belt, which was thrown around for a while, and it’s it’s just with the state how it is, how it’s regarded me of the 80s full circle back To the question which somebody said where it’s time for new era and heavyweight boxing, i just wish somebody would come along that is going to be like nice and that is dominant.

That can wipe up.

I mean i can’t think of one person being fed.

I might be shocked for this um and it can be argued in the second or maybe third part of his career, but with mike tyson, certainly up to and during his peak business 88 there was nobody that was stuck.

He cleared up.

There was nobody that was missing.

That was ducked, that he didn’t fight that came forward and said they would fight him um.

You know just want somebody to come along that is willing and that we’ll be able to do.

That is general miller.

One of those people can dubois improve enough of that to happen.

Who knows but uh god, somebody like mike tyson, please sort it out, it just needs it needs moving.

It needs clarity, it’s a clear out and going back to that commons again.

It needs a new error.

Absolutely because we’re trying to choose not swear words uh this just to mime at the moment is, is just come on.

What is it, what is stopping them? Is it the money? Is it the? I don’t know it’s crazy, absolutely crazy! Um! You know it’s crazy, but anthony joshua said this week, so here here i was last week defending auntie joshua thinking based on this fantastic trainer.

He was about to announce based on his new strategy.

To deal with uh is that his reach advantage? I was picking auntie joshua to beat music okay, so this week, what does auntie joshua turn around say? I don’t need a trainer.

What the heck is going on.

Yes, the trainer well um he does.

He needs something because if something doesn’t change, you’re gon na get the same result um.

I think personally, i’m under the impression that he’s listened to many or too much to the many people which have been saying this needs to go out there and just be aggressive.

Be the old aj be, and i think that that has as much as that may be a different is needed.

I think that uh he is under depression now that he just goes in with an approach.

I try to not outbox the boxer or outbox.

The very clever, devious and very smart boxer he might actually win, and it’s it’s not going to happen, it’s possible.

It could happen because he is very powerful and it just takes blah blah blah once all the rest of it, but usually that kind of thing won’t work with a fighter, even if he was coming up in weight – and he is a far naturally smaller man.

It’S not going to happen with something like u6.

No way it cannot happen.

General miller versus derrick chizora would be a good test at this point.

Absolutely i think he’s got certainly with what he has shown.

I can choose my words right here so far.

That would be a good matchup, he could step and i don’t think he would certainly be you know with with chizzora wanted to carry on um.

You know he’s not going to have the money, as i think justice last week as a gatekeeper.

It’S not going to happen because he’s now going to have to step down a little, but at least this with against a a big unknown name will still generate money.

And i still think that that would be a good fight.

And i think it is very possible as well uh, because i think the promoters and uh with miller himself, i think, should be dropping his hands at the moment with what is out there as much as he’s not at a point where you’d stick him in at The top so at the top with that complete circus at the moment, it’s not affecting him um, there’s a lot of good fights to make, and i think now would be a good time to throw him in because he shows a lot of promise.

But as long as the same thing doesn’t happen, that happened with daniel dubois, where he was supposedly, and i was definitely one of them.

I thought he had a lot of promise.

I still think he has um and he still was doing very good against joe joyce and he was her head.

Was it two of the three cards or some of the time he was ahead? Um, you know by the eye, injury, etc.

If that would have gone a distance, he could have you know he could have won.

You know, apart from you know, he took himself out of the fight, then he’s labelled a quitter unfilled, the rest of it um why we should think anything less of him um.

I really don’t know because he’s got to be what i can’t remember: 22 23, something like that.

Um you’ve got a lot of time and he hasn’t fought great opposition since uh bogdan danu and who else was the year that the second fight he’s had um.

That’S that was the romanian champion.

There was one over one other which wasn’t of great caliber, but do you really need to put it into a higher caliber to build the confidence up and with somebody that is so young that still needs to carry on and learn the trade, because the general consensus Is that he just he was rushed just a little bit too soon against choice against joyce um, which you know.

Maybe that was a bad decision, but maybe he can actually learn a heck of a lot from it.

What is wrong with one loss on your career? It wasn’t an absolute beat down.

It was an eye entry as long as the eye, injury or the hopefully ex-iron tree doesn’t cause uh a problem.

Then um there was no problem with it.

I think that’s a lot of what the other top contenders should be doing at the moment is having these fights, because it’s not happening, i think anybody’s scared of getting that that loss on their record.

No, no, no, it’s still a merry-go-round, it needs somebody else.

It needs somebody up to uh to clear it up.

Absolutely absolutely the uh, i’m just looking at the comments that mac, oh god, i could never pronounce that’s his name as well.

Um him, the guy, that’s knocking everybody out, uh every one of them iko.

Yes, he could be lit off the leash, although i think they need to up these guys, throw it all in the mix and while it’s all clogged up at the top, just sort it out and find out separate the men from the boys with everything um.

There’S enough of them there’s there’s fighters now like derek jason, which could put up good tests against the two of mentioned uh or how about directors or against dubai any you know any of the young guns at the moment.

You know, i think he’s got one.

Last fight cash out fight against a game get one last last last last good pay date and then retire, because that parker fight that last one was was not good to see.

I think people say there’s one last good fight in a fighter.

I think that was the last good fight, because um he only the only thing he had going for him was.

I personally think, is that he was trying to old man him with his tricks going back into the corner like he did and a couple of times he nearly succeeded.

I think he did well with what he has bearing in mind that the beatings he has taken and the competitive fights that he’s been in, which would have been training in themselves, whether he was victorious or or he lost um yeah.

It’S now a time for a new area.

It’S clogged to the top.

It’S a complete circus.

It is nothing certainly new.

Now, let’s sort you know the best of the rest, um and there’s some good fights to be made some very interesting fights if they are prepared to get a on their record, and this is the one thing that’s just so frustrating now compared to even back to Well, more so, to the the olden days where you know, fighters have losses on the record and made no difference with ufc.

They have losses on their record.

It makes no difference uh it can.

It can help a fighter.

It can.

You know cuz a lot of these feathers are padded.

They go top level, they lose if they have these fighters.

These fights, rather where they do lose, learn from it.

It makes them make them a better fighter.

I think dubois has got a lot to offer.

I well i was, and i would consider to beat his drum as such.

What do you think? Cedric ben who also uh, makes some very valid points with the the letter.

L uh he’s a trainer and he’s on talking fight quite often and when he discusses fights and their records, he uh.

He doesn’t say it’s a loss.

He says it’s a learning, um.

You know they’ve taken something into account that they didn’t know before and next time.

They’Ll be better because of it, but the other thing i was thinking of while you’re discussing those points uh when it comes down to money.

I have to wonder whether it’s possible just possible if someone with enough money came along and i’m not talking about the match rooms or the frank warrens or the you know, the the top ranks, i’m wondering if someone else completely independent came along with the right amount Of money he or she could set up an actual tournament, not a not a weekend type style tournament, but i’m just wondering if you could, you could create some really decent heavyweight fights from.

Among all those i mean like i said, i go back to that box box rack list and i see like 20 fighters who are basically unemployed right now.

You know uh who, who could be put on cards who could be putting on phenomenal fights for the fans and, if not simply earning money, create an entire new championship that they would fight for and not necessarily belt.

Maybe a cup.

You know you don’t understand, like uh, kelly saland with the the lightweights and the other, the cruiserweights etc.

Something like that would be good yeah.

I’M just wondering like whether or not it’s time uh for someone to step up and say: hey god, you know, you know, you know.

Name is puppet good points.

Yeah! You know what name just popped into my head.

I hate to say it.

Jake paul, jake.

Paul came out with some really good for once decent comments yesterday at the press conference at madison square gardens when he was talking about women in boxing – and he said stuff that even eddie hearn didn’t say, and i was really surprised i was taken aback.

I’M going wow, i’m actually listening to jake paul uh, but if he’s sincere about uh putting his millions to good use, i wonder if this is a way we could do.

It is entice someone who has a sincere interest in boxing sincere interest in its future and moving it forward and unclogging and not necessarily dealing with the top five.

They are taken care of i’m talking about the guys, the 20 guys, not the 30 guys under them, but the 20 guys under them who, as i said, are unemployed.

You know it has been done before you had even going back to the mike tyson situation.

You had the heavyweight tournament that don king put together then, with the lead up to undisputed.

That was involving the leading contenders and the champions at the time um, but yeah the wbs, which uh kelly salon did there’s oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Absolutely.

Why not? Do have you at one of those perfect.

I don’t know why it hasn’t.

It’S not even been mentioned as far as i’m aware of and uh, maybe hopefully uh.

Well, i’m at the uh serrano taylor press conference on monday.

If i can get hold of jake paul or somebody or whoever would’ve been there uh who’s there, i will uh ask the question.

Awesome that’d be very good question to us.

No, i must remember that one so um yeah what a good thing to do, because at the top, like i said you know, the the the top is going to be clogged up.

I still say pessimistically to 2025.

yep.

You know before the mandatory the likes of joe joyce is going to get his mandatory shot.

Let’S say two years time: what’s joe joyce now 37, i could be wrong.

36.

he’s not 36 36.

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So he’s going to be 38 before the mandatory, the youngest, the youngest guy in the top 10, is actually joseph parker unbelievably and he’s 30.

wow.

I keep on mentioning joe joyce.

Now it is the wbo mandatory not about the forget the wbc and over there at the moment.

But what about the ipf right, not about the uh wba other mandatories? The show that’s going on at the moment at the top any rematches which i’m sure will be in place of something which is that high uh, and especially with eddie hearn being involved with anthony joshua, which is the uh not saying in a bad way.

But it’s just the norm for business that the uh rematch clause gets put in place, but at what point this is the re.

This is the rematch with joshua and usyk.

If it happens now, do you have rematch clauses in the rematch clause or is it the case of it’s then in the original fight, just one fight, i’d love to see a contract and in fact i shall ask that question: yep, let’s get pen and paper and Write down what’s going to be asked yeah yeah, absolutely there there there’s a really uh chirpy little comment made by one of the other fighters the other day because uh some to the effect of what you know.

I fully intend to beat this guy.

I don’t know why there’s a big match clause, i’m not intending to lose this fight, you know, so i can’t remember which one of the fighters said that, but it’s it’s kind of true uh.

Why are they having these rematch clauses put in if they’re intending to win well without mentioning any names or anything when you had uh any of the prior just go say, let’s say a different, just error, a difference.

Whatever you never heard the rematch clause, if it as far as i was concerned generally, the unwritten rule, was if it was a close fight and it’s needed.

There was a bit of controversy or it was that close or the public, for whatever reason demanded it.

It would happen yep that all goes out the window now.

Um, yes does, does it show doubt in the fighter winning good question? I know it’s a good thing for the for the business side of it for the fighter in the unlikely event of it happening, but that is certainly adding fuel to the fire when it comes to the argument of this clog uh, because a lot of it is Due to the rematch clauses that are put in there yeah so that that this clog that we’re now seeing in the heavyweight division would not be there, had it not been for these rematch clauses that were executed by, among others, anthony joshua.

It’S interesting if anti-joshua loses and dillian white loses, there goes eddie kearns stake in the game.

Well, not unless he’s, unless he’s signing other heavyweights right now, hedging his bets – i don’t know but uh.

That would be a good question for him.

Who else you got lined up in heavyweight division pal, because these two guys might be on the way out? I do think one of the biggest contributing factors at the moment with the big clog you, you had all the thing, obviously with wilder and fury with one two and three and the arbitration that took time etc, but the one of the biggest problems that says dawn To me exactly what it is, and it should have been more obvious and should have been mentioned earlier – is the fact that it’s because it’s they want the undisputed and you know you’ve got the you’ve got.

The group.

You’Ve got usyk who’s, the champion of three belts and you’ve got obviously fury with with one and they’re looking over.

The other person what’s happening what’s happening, and this person won’t make a move until this one’s sorted out and this one isn’t still sorted out.

So this one’s still waiting and he’s trying to gauge something from that one over there.

It’S just not working it’s the delay after delay after delay, and the problem is that the delay after delay goes down that domino, pile line whatever and it it goes down to and because everyone’s like hungry for the shop, because they’re in the top ten and just In case whichever board uh uh board says that right: okay, we want there anyone for the top ten to fight, because someone’s pulled out whether people are just too and it goes to.

You know the reason why they don’t lose at all and have that first, one on their record is as a case of losing that position just in case, because they generally call anybody uh within the top 10 when they need the fighter or has been the case.

Recently in the was the ibf one for the ibf uh heavyweight title eliminator, they had to go back to the top number 15 and it still wasn’t sorted out because everyone was going.

No, no, no, that was an actual eliminator, not again going back to one of the points earlier, not that being in eliminator winning the eliminator is a big thing, because, if you’re just going to be in that queue of other people that have gone through eliminators, that Is mandatory for whatever that is already mandatory or or possibly the secondary mandatory, whatever it is crazy, um, but people that it just it’s not healthy for the division and there’s good.

There are good fighters out there and it’s a shame you know i do take back slightly my comments about it’s very much reminiscent of the 80s.

I think that is unfair, but you know i i draw that conclusion when i just see somebody of trevor bryan in his condition, uh fighting for what is going back to the original point, the wba regular heavyweight title.

That was just when i i stood back and there’s nothing against the challenger, because i can’t pronounce the chap’s name: uh good, good, good, john guidry, i’ve messaged him on instagram and said that um he’s so much appreciated.

You know he hopes he does as well.

Whatever you know it’s, i hope he gets some good fights and some um some money from the performance he did, which was not expected whatsoever for good for him, but with not with no respect towards him.

That fight should not have gone.

That way.

A split decision to somebody that was okay: he had a lofty number 13 if i remember right in her position.

But what had he done up to that point to gain that number 13 anyway? Why should they have to go to the number 13 anyway because of other people probably uh, that again going back to the comment and they’re all waiting? It’S probably gone to the number two three four five six on actually maybe not know because they wouldn’t have gone in with somebody too, because the way he’s been protected, um, which goes on to actually so my next point, with trevor bryan and one of the things I wanted to discuss very curious to know exactly what his motivation is, because, after the fight and even before the fight he’s been calling out all the people at the top.

Now that could be hot air because there’s no point: anybody calling out the people at the top anyway, because you’re not going to get the fight and even if you did and everyone else was done, you’d be waiting, probably 20.

27.

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So there’s no point, but is he doing it for extra press to show false balls to? Is he thinking of money, or does he realistically think, and this is what i want to know – does he realistically think he can beat those people at the top, because there’s nothing in his displays? That shows that he can’t i mean what is his best career fight, a late stoppage of a very shopworn, a very outer shape at the end of his career, having taken beatings behind steven, that’s his best performance today.

Does he really think that he can beat the people that he’s been calling out? I doubt we would please calculate that.

One said yes and he got a big purse.

Is he trying to cash himself out because he knows how bloody awful he really is.

This is what i’m trying to get it.

I just want to know i’d love to jump into his head for just 30 seconds to find it.

Do you really think you’re that good? Do you really think you’re heavyweight champion he’s just taking lessons from don king but uh, but you know what he’s practically a foot shorter than uh tyson fury.

So so imagine those two in the ring.

I mean they’re both heavyweights, but imagine i mean how long would that fight last i mean the golfing experience the golfing class, the golf in everything that would just be a mismatch.

Let’S go back to some of these questions, a second attending dubois jared anderson.

Oh absolutely.

What a great fight, but that would not be done yet absolutely a great future fight completely agree: eddie hearn, the russian heavyweight – yes, yes, very good, but you’ve got the problem is with that uh, the russian who’s winning everything by ko.

He looks very good.

The opposition.

I mean, what’s the best opponent that he’s fought um one of the best ones was the canadian who you know uh dylan carmen, who is probably am i right with this he’s probably domestic level right i mean his best win, probably was against the 51 year old.

Was he 52 razer, ruddock four or five years ago? That’S probably his best win but uh.

He had him done down and finished in the first round, but you know, and today i’d great great potential but who’s the chat.

I can remember his name in the middleweight um he’ll come to me in a moment where he’s won every single fight, every single fight by ko every single ko was in the first round, apart from the his recent fight, where he’s actually taken the distance – and he Was dropped? I think it was twice as well um those two fighters i see very similar and with the heavyweight version will he land up going the same way when um the time comes where he actually steps up in uh competition, and i think the answer to that.

One being fair is that nobody could say: oh he’s, gon na fall when he goes up a level.

How can you tell he is just as far as i’m concerned just a question mark um and i just think he’s just got to be uh matched very well, because if he’s you know he’s used to knocking people out, you know he’s got to be careful that The first time he comes against somebody, that’s going to give some solid.

Any kind of anything he’s got to see how he he responds to that uh.

It could be good, it could be bad, we don’t know but uh.

Yes, question marks over a few, and i think you know the same could be said with anderson, but i do think with the way he appears she’s.

In the words right, he appears to be very good and appears to be one for the future ticks the boxes in in every single box.

As far as i’m concerned, jared anderson is the real deal.

I mean a lot of people were early on, comparing him to muhammad ali mike tyson, the natural fact one of the really good writers out there, boxing writers compared him to a heavyweight shakur stevenson, so he’s getting some pretty rave reviews and in a few years he Is going to be in that top 10 and barring injury, barring mismanagement, but he is the real deal when it comes to heavy weights and potential heavyweights.

I’M looking forward to his climb up the ranks without a doubt like that.

He’S fun to watch he’s fun to listen to uh he’s one of my favorite heavyweights right now.

It’S all boxes! Yes, apart from how is he going to react when he gets hit on the chin? Has he got a good chin? You, don’t you don’t know and that’s why these guys must not rush them too quickly, right, um but yeah.

It seems really nice chap as well.

It’S really nice to to you, know sort of get behind.

Somebody like that um, i’m not saying that the other people in division haven’t got his uh, his likable uh ways and he’s certainly got charisma.

Um that’ll be a breath of fresh air.

I hope um that he will fulfill the potential which he shows because the division needs it um there’s a lot of other good fighters out there, but there’s nobody that’s standing out.

You know you had jaguar versus um.

What’S his name, the cuban chap sanchez.

I mean that i mean she has one that he won it easily, but i don’t see sanchez really sort of making it up to the top and he is now obviously with the jagba victory.

You know one of the ones um nearer that the top of the pile of um contenders uh, but he still doesn’t stand out for me, um.

Yes, the win over jackpot was good, but i think that was more a jaguar losing it i think and being um, which is a shame because he was looking good uh, but that was him.

I think not reaching his potential more than sanchez being absolutely cracking.

I don’t think he’s big enough um and he’s not consistent um in his work.

Um.

That’S how i see him, but now there’s lots it’s it.

Could the division is in a bad state, but i think it could be good, but i just don’t think, though their people are going to let their their fighters off the hook, because they’re all just waiting and waiting and waiting um.

I can repeat myself and repeat myself: it’s the same thing and it is.

It is a shame, because the talents and the intrigue invites, i think, are there as well.

I really do i like that comment, uh, that we have in here from uh a dairy pennant.

I, like the way, he’s termed that a heavyweight grand prix i like that uh, if you stage it over a season that gives these heavyweights the chance to go toe-to-toe and we actually get to determine a winner even if it’s not involving any of the abc type.

Uh belts, at least we, the fans, would know from among these other boxers, who is a great heavyweight, champ or caliber.

You know what i mean i like i like doing this: are they willing to actually do that? Are they willing to do that? That’S the thing and will pbc you know with the heavyweights they have.

Would they let them go because they’re very funny with taking their fighters um out of in-house as such um.

I think the penny’s got a drop that you know.

They’Ve got to see.

Um i mean, and they know more about it than we do, but they’ve got to see at some point.

There’S nothing to be.

You know unless you’re going to match the top contenders with each other, there’s going to be nothing big coming along for a long time.

There’S not going to be a sniff at one of the championships unless the champion is trevor.

Bryan um, it’s not it’s not going to happen.

It won’t.

You know it is.

Is trevor bryan is don king to allow him to go in with somebody.

That’S going to be in the top 10, which would definitely beat him.

I mean don king might be 93 5, whatever he is um, but he’s still got his enough brain cells going in his head at his age that you know that trevor brian.

Surely i mean he can’t be disillusioned that much he knows what the deal is with him he’s just he’s just milking it and and doing the best of what he can and doing it very well.

He’S still got it at his advanced age um, but you know he’s not going to risk.

It he’ll risk it against somebody else.

That will appear to be good on paper or a flashy uh record with no substance behind it.

Like the number 13 that’s just been brought in, which is a shame because bloody guy and he gave it a good effort, i think um, i think uh king must have been there while watching that fight and a few sort of uh tense moments.

I bet he was uh getting a little bit uh.

Yes on his chair that that’s not.

I just hope that the daniel dubois situation does happen with him being the next person i mean for a while.

It looked like he was going to be the next person to it, and that’s the only thing just back to this whole point about.

Is he being a worthy champion trevor, brian? Absolutely not, but if it’s, if it’s the way, it’s going to be, you’ve got to make the best of a bad situation, and with that in mind, i think, and it would be nice to have somebody better come along wearing the belt so that the person uh.

So the actual fighter is the person, that’s making a belt and not attempting to have it the other way around, because that, at the moment, unless you’re completely delusional is pure, fantasy um, it’s there’s nothing that was the wba supposed heavyweight championship.

I’D love to know what the figures were for the the turnout there, because it was a very small place, uh what you could see from the um the tv coverage it was.

It was not very much you and again that was new.

Had again, the macabre fight was reasonable um, and this was a fight that was um promoted as six title fights to be in world title fights.

It’S amazing how you can make something from nothing.

No, the macabre fight was reasonable, um.

The other chapter did well, but even that fight was a rematch with a supposed foregone know.

It’S uh the only interest uh and the reason why there was a lot of world interest in the mukabu fight was the fact that uh obviously got canelo, which is meant to be, as he’s got the wbc’s permission to fight the winner of that bout.

That is the only reason there was a lot of interest with this, and why, when i would do an article and it would go out on social media um majority of the time that was the the top article of the day, and i could have put out 16 articles that day – and that was the the top article with hundreds uh got one of the macabu uh fights was went into the thousands of views of the just that one article um, it just shows it wasn’t because of trevor bryan was fighting.

It wasn’t that macabre was fighting because it was a rematch.

It’S because of you know the possibility, with its further info, what’s happening with canelo right um.

Apart from that, what would have the show really been? It was making something of nothing.

Six title fights two world title fights held in a very localish um kind of venue which didn’t hold that many um yeah, but canelo would have been watching [ Laughter, ] yeah.

No, that’s the whole point.

Is he a deserving champion? No, but should there be a regular championship low, you know it’s happening at lower divisions, there’s arguments about who’s, the champ.

Is it the super person or the world heavyweight chap? I’M the world champ.

Nobody super champ doesn’t matter, i’m still the world champ.

It’S an argument.

That’S happened in all the divisions, but it’s just so much because of the prestige of the heavyweight division.

It just really.

This shows this up for being a terrible situation of having this world regular championship and it should be taken out um, especially by the wba they’re, making it worse.

But it should be taken out with the rest of their reduction program, which they’re currently going through and admittedly under pressure, they’re doing quite well.

They are fulfilling so far.

I i’ll choose my words right they’re.

Fulfilling so far is what i can see with what they had promised in the reduction i just wish it would go just a little bit further but uh along the same lines as other sports.

I wonder if another option here for the boxing community, the powers that be to consider might be something like they do.

In tennis, where you have uh country versus country and extend that tournament over.

As i said, a year-long period akin to this grand prix that this fellow has suggested, so i wonder if there are, there are other options uh for independent promoters to consider if the money’s there, but again, i’m not so sure these guys are actually fighting at this Stage like underneath the top five for money per se right now, they want a chance at the being a top five and contending for those world title championships, but underneath that top five i’ll bet, if you put a couple hundred thousand bucks on the table, those fighters Would go for it? Yes, i’m just trying to think in history.

If it’s been done at heavyweights, um country versus country, i cannot recall uh ever being been the case.

The only tournament i’ve ever only ever seen was the the 80s one which was arranged by don king, but that was the leading contenders and the current champions at the time.

Now, i’m trying to remember what it was because it has been done exactly what you said.

Where it’s been country against country um, but it was done at a lower level, it was very much uh domestic level fighters um that went in for this competition uh.

It’S quite the reason.

The reason i say that the reason i say that is because there seems to be a lot of because of the pay-per-view situation.

There seems to be a lot of interest in the katy taylor, amanda serrano fight, because you’ve got an irish, slash, gb type fighter, going against an american or actually puerto rican.

But let’s just say, for the sake of argument: you’ve got a european fighter going up against the american fighter, so i i think that’s going to draw an awful lot of interest on both sides of the atlantic uh and a huge pay-per-view audience.

So i have to wonder thinking along those lines whether boxing promoters might make sense of all this pay-per-view uh.

If that is what’s the guiding factor here, not so many like 15 000 people in an arena that that’s nothing these days in terms of cash but a pay-per-view audience where you’re talking a million viewers, even a hundred thousand viewers, that’s a that’s a big payday for A boxer, so i’m just wondering if there’s another way of structuring this and you’ve said, has been done before um.

I think, there’s something called the world boxing series of series of the world boxing super series.

That was the one which was done by kelly saland um.

We had that was done first off, was it the lightweight division and now a lot of the um they’ve done others, but they’ve got under the radar, but the one that stood out at the time was the lightweight tournament, which you had um uh scottish chap uh.

Winning it josh taylor, he won that one.

You had the cruiserweights, obviously where you had uc winning that one as well.

That’S very good, because the cruiserweight division at that time had some very good fighters in it.

Um, but there’s been.

It’S happened.

A couple of other weights as well, but that should be done um.

It said – and it said a while ago before you had the division clogged up, that should be done at heavyweight now it would be very good.

That would be such a good thing.

I’Ve never even recently, given it thought that would be something which would be the answer.

Um.

It would be the answer.

It would create interest, it would generate a lot of money.

It would sort out the men from the boys what a way to sort it out.

Absolutely that’s my two cents for the day.

Do you know stephen shaw? Yes, good prospect, the english there’s a few of them, which have no there’s a few of them, which are coming up, which are very good.

There’S a few but um out of the top 10 uh top 15 jumeirah miller is the one which is the the stand out for me still uh, as you agree um.

I still don’t.

You know some of the other unbeaten fighters that are lurking um.

I’M still not convinced on what’s the uh, the chap’s name i’ll always always forget his name: um [, Music, ], very unbeaten.

Oh god, come to me in a second unbeaten.

He is.

Is he correct? Yes from croatia, um [, Music, ] and you’ve got uh the other croatian chap always called him out, even if that would be a a mismatch.

But there’s a few of these um unbeatable fighters, which still there’s padded records and there’s uh and something like a tournament would really fit philip.

Yes, yes, yes, always every time i talk to you always forget her rich’s name.

For some reason, um looks a little bit like uh.

You know the klitschko, but um i’m not sold on him or so far with the opponents of his face, because again, what’s who’s the best opponent that he’s fought.

It’S so just wonder what my dog is chewing down here as long as not cables.

I think good.

Only one cable’s been chewed, it’s a 25 pound cable.

That’S all! No! I just noticed steven shaw, stephen shaw, he’s 44 on box wreck and he’s 16-0 he’s out of st louis usa, speaking of uh, the ukrainian fighters uh.

That was bad news.

I saw that was it uh one of the klitschko boys joining the army done anything about it.

I believe uh who’s, the younger who who’s the mayor of kiev right now.

So it’s not just me.

Yes, his younger brother joined joined the uk.

Sorry vitalik sorry vitale is the older one.

He’S the mayor of kiev and you’ve got vladimir, which is the younger one yeah.

So the younger one just joined the ukrainian army to go fight the russians wow, so things must be heating up uh i mean it’s.

It’S not it’s honestly, not headline news over here uh but uh.

When i saw that a world famous boxer is joining the army wow, that’s so you’ve got a former heavyweight champions in the middle of it being the american as well sort of right watching it.

There’S a funny little thing just going away from boxing um where you’ve got the the situation.

I don’t know much about it, obviously, with the uh the tensions which are happening over there.

You had germany, which was um, who said they’re supporting the whole thing and klitschko turned around and said: well, i don’t think they’re supporting much and so the journalists asked.

Why is that? He said they’ve, given them 5, 000 helmets and um.

So so many uh plastic aprons as support okay, oh boy, yeah anyway, politics, war, yeah um.

I just wish that they were going for war and uh.

There was no politics at the top of the tree at the moment, but uh.

No final thing is: is he a worthy champion trevor bryan? Absolutely not.

Is it his fault? No, i don’t blame him for cashing in on it uh.

He will lose as soon as he goes up a level which i don’t think is going to happen.

But if um it’s going to be dubai, that’s going to be forced on him uh, you know, briana lose absolutely dubois is a couple of uh leagues above or more so someone’s just been very nosy here.

Yes! Well, you know that you just knew that’s my summary of it.

It’S uh, no, it’s a poor situation and i felt bad when i was writing blah blah blah two night for the world heavyweight championship.

It’S like, i was writing it and i was cringing.

I did put it in inverted brackets, though i think i think it just makes a statement on that one but uh yes for the wba world heavyweight championship.

Ah god i was cringing, absolutely just a writer.

Oh there you go apart from that, um! Yes, but it’s uh from what i can read from the comments it seems like the ukrainians and the russians should solve their uh differences in the ring, not not on the actual battlefield, because if that’s the case, then that ukraine are definitely win with vladimir and vitali.

Well, it seems that uh we have vladimir ivanov is another good heavyweight prospect from russia, as is hadoo kareem eddie love another good russian heavyweight.

So this chap knows his stuff.

He knows his russians, that’s for sure.

Anyway, anyway, there we go.

Yes, absolutely um.

Another great discussion all right.

Thank you very much from monday.

Um could be interesting.

I’M looking forward to it looking forward to it absolutely make sure you ask those very pointed questions to jake paul.

Yes, absolutely apart from that tune next week, cheers.

Thank you very much.

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