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EPISODE: Episode 1
Join us on another enlightening episode of The Sugar Show with Natalie Sugar Brown, where tonight’s discussion unravels around the recent banter between boxing titans, Claressa Sheilds and Keith Thurman, reigniting the longstanding ethical question of “Mixed Matches”. What does this mean for the future of the sport?
Additionally, we delve into the potential influence of recent parallel results from the exciting Inoue vs Fulton and Crawford vs Spence matches on the world of women’s boxing. As always, we encourage lively discussions, so don’t forget to join the conversation tonight and share your thoughts in the comments section. Like, subscribe, and stay tuned for more in-depth boxing analysis!
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Thank you! Hey y’all, hey! So it’s your sugar here on 7 30 on a Wednesday night.
Yes, okay! So it’s the Natalie this sugar! Here, okay and this, the Natalie Sugar Brown, show um, and this is where I form a woman.
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We talk about the real real women’s boxing, what’s really happening behind the scenes or happening behind the scenes right reading between the lines telling you guys what the what the thing really is out here, um and being me, your sugar, okay, so those who are new, please Join the conversation all right, there is no such thing, a stupid question.
There’S no such thing as a silly question right we having a conversation and sugar just loves when you guys chime in now.
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Yes, okay, so so um I mean I really.
I really wasn’t going to talk about this because I was like she can’t be serious.
You know, but it seems like like this is a thing it’s trending right and that’s one thing.
My girl Clarissa knows how to do.
She knows how to say some [ __ ] that’ll get things trendy, okay, so um.
What she said was well first off.
Let you guys I I always thank my partners in crime, my guys behind the scenes here at talk and fight.
Thank you guys for chiming.
In thank you, my lovely assistant, for always coming in with the good goody good, good images.
You know, because sometimes you know you got to see what shook is talking about all right, so uh lovely assistant, what you got it, what you got now now I mean this what she said.
She said what she said right so um at first I mean this is happening around like in the past weekend around.
You know, Spence crawford-ish, so you know everybody’s buzzing around that time anyway about boxing you know it’s not it’s not about the die hards.
Really.
It’S about those who, just once in a while, will watch uh boxing because it’s the cool thing to do at the a time right.
So I think I thought, or I still think, that this is a huge publicity stunt by Clarissa Shields, because you know that would have been the opportune time if you are.
If you have a voice in the industry of boxing right and if you have the.
If you’re on the highest pillar of women’s boxing, which she is, this is the time where I’m going to say something, because anybody who’s looking and thinking about boxing go and hear it okay.
So she tweets this now.
She says I’ll fight Thurman.
Now the background and lovely assistant: listen, don’t you know what let me.
Let me look up my notes because I ain’t gon na put my lovely assistant on the spot, but I really wanted to in engage my truths and my news um.
When we have conversations you know, I I would like I when I say these things or when I ask these questions.
I want y’all to chime in and give me the answer right.
So I can know that you in that that you in here with me right so um I mean before I say it, anybody out there know who Keith Thurman is.
Does anybody know who Keith Thurman is um a little bit? Tell me a little bit information a lot of it.
What you know it may or may not be true, but we’re going to talk about it and we’re going to get to the mid down to the to the Bare Bones of it right so um.
Looking at my notes, I want to tell you guys this um the right way: okay, so um Keith Thurman is [ Music, ] um.
He has the history in boxing now to upheld the WBA title and the WBC Title.
Okay, oh so, look at my host chiming in yes, so he’s a former my host, I’m going to read with my host said, because I think we got the same thing: uh he’s a former unified welterweight world champion uh.
He held the WBA title and I got no.
I got dates now from 2015 to 2019 and the WC the WBC right, so the WBA is a world boxing Association and on the WBC is the world boxing Council.
So these are sanctioning bodies that have uh that that are big time.
Sanctioning bodies mean that they, if it’s a sanctioned WBC fight, that’s the green belt.
That is the most prestigious legitimate title, sanctioning platform that you can be certified by.
You understand what I’m saying.
So it’s like having a certification right, um having a deploy or uh.
You know not even but it’s like having a certification right.
So those with like personal training, certifications or or you know, I don’t know, harmonica playing certifications right.
There are certain cheap two-day ones that you can get and you you paid a little cheap fee and you know you got the certificate and then there are certificates that you have to really really study and and and earn supposedly right, more prestigious, they’re, they’re known everywhere And everybody knows who they are and what they are right.
So the WBC the green belt has taken themselves to that place in the world.
Okay, because it’s all the world the world right so um in any in just about any country where they do boxing.
Everybody knows about this WBC sanctioning title: okay, all right now the same thing with the WBA, but not so much um.
I I did an episode.
You guys look at my previous episodes.
Okay, where I did belts and bodies where I tell you where I I told you um, I explained where these different organizations originate from and so therefore they have that industry pull and you can be recognized more and then you will be valued more.
Therefore, you would be paid more right and also promoted more, so I hope you guys understand all of that – those money, words and money languages, um that I just said right.
If anybody wants to be in this game of boxing and call themselves a manager or promoter, they would know these things, they would know the the totem, be Slam in my door, um so um they would know you were anywhere goodness.
I just lost my train of thought.
You know how people just uh kill your Vibe, I’m sorry so um, okay, so we’re talking about the WBA.
The WBA now is a lesser known, uh body, but how these bodies are and how they originate.
Okay, they have more pool in certain areas, and I’ve explained all of that in the business of boxing.
Now we’re talking about some business all right now in the business that makes all these fights happen and and why so many so much money passes through hands and all of this stuff.
Well, all this big organization um, it’s kind of like what you call it.
What do they call those um? It’S it’s a pyramid.
It’S like a pyramid scheme, yeah so whoever’s.
On top.
You know every these people on the bottom they buy in to the organization you get your membership or you buy in and then, if you do enough, if you’ve made enough money fighting and and contributed to this organization, they move you up in the rankings and so Then your prospect right because you’re a promoter or you as a prospect now going to the second tier right and so that second tier is where WBC now starts to acknowledge that you’re a part of their organization.
Yes, I get a.
I I’m up for a badge right, which is the belt okay and hence the rankings all right.
So these rankings now are members that are fighting fights that are sanctioned by WBC and they pay WBC money right to sanction these fights, so WBC gets paid every time.
This person fights and the more this person fights um and and becomes successful the more money I can get from them right.
And so, when you become now a special member, okay, uh you’re ranked or you become a contender top top five right.
It’S like, oh, who sold the most Girl Scout cookies right in in the troop right.
Oh it’s it’s three of us, but only one of us will get that will get the badge or some [ __ ] like that.
You know: that’s that’s how it’s going right! So it’s not necessarily the best right and a lot of people think that it’s the best people that get opportunities.
It’S the best people that are ranked a lot of people think it’s that, but no, unfortunately, they’re not the best but they’re best of the membership pyramid.
They’Re, the best of that membership pyramid right, so, if they’re buying in they would be ranked where somebody who’s not bought into the organization at all doesn’t exist.
So now all of these sanctioning bodies work together, so they can all get paid right because if they don’t control the tea or the the pyramid, how members move up right then they’re going to have to split or give money to outside organizations they’re going to have To rank or consider mem people that are outside of the membership of their sanctioning bodies, right now, guess what we call those people on the outside of these sanctioning bodies: they, where guess what? What realm? Is that that’s the underground yeah? So I I’m! I want you to under you guys to understand this, so I can so we can talk about these things.
Okay, so yes, there is, is it’s like you know, wow like we, we think there I’m sure that there’s life outside of the earth of what we have here on Earth right but um.
We don’t know that we don’t know them.
We don’t know what they are.
They, you know, we we don’t know some of them like some of them are monsters.
You know some of them are goofy uh types of money.
You know, there’s there’s so many things in outer space right that we don’t know about, but they can be very scary.
Right and they and – and you know they Superman right – was an alien that came to the Earth right, so there can be phenomenal Fighters outside of these sanctioning bodies that we don’t even know about right, which is the underground anyway, going back to this now, Keith Thurman Had generated enough of investors to buy him opportunities in both the WBC and the WBA sanction in bodies? Okay, and when he got to a point where he could fight another member of the sanctioning body for a title right.
The winner all depends on who bets who gets vetted on and who wins? You know who who people buy tickets for that’s how the sanctioning body determines the winner.
It’S not the judges! Sorry you guys! So I I want you guys to understand.
What’S going on so when you see robberies and all of that stuff, it’s not I’m sorry! It’S not robberies.
I mean it’s not a.
It is a robbery right, but it’s really like a business transaction right.
That’S why the person who’s standing there they’re, just like you know like on on like Price, is Right that music, it’s like okay, but I’m still up here, though, I’m still a member, and I you know, I still have um, you know the constellation prize.
I still have opportunities in the constellation uh prize of it right.
I didn’t get the big prize, but I hope you guys understand what I’m saying.
Okay, so that’s why that other fighter is not um they’re like where in the underground, when you, when you know you lose your title, you are devastated because it’s gone, you don’t know like you, you don’t know how you’re gon na get it back.
You don’t know how you’re gon na get it back, and there are now more deadlier sharks in the water that you got ta fight to get back that title to get back to that person right who they’re saying is the champ in the underground? That’S how that works? Okay, now, um, there are tactics outside of um.
You know they they’re, because there is no sanctioning bodies and things like that in the underground.
The rules are just determined by the situation and and and really like.
Where you are, you know it’s like a handshake terms.
Yeah right, so you come in.
You do have your person who’s your backer, they may have.
You know they’re going to be in your corner when you go back or whatever, but it’s not you.
It’S not.
Really.
You have a water man or what you know you don’t have it’s just really raw like a Fight Club, that’s one of my favorite movies and not because Brad’s in it because he’s one of my little crushes right, um, there’s a lot of sexy men out there, But um all different color shapes and sizes.
Listen! Let me stop.
Let’S get back to boxing y’all, not saying much to me tonight anyway, so um when you show up to an underground fight, okay, is you and, and that you and that person that’s going to collect the money that probably put it together.
You know what I’m saying you show up: you’re sitting there yeah you’re, looking across the ring at the other person.
The only thing you know right is both your hands might be wrapped right, and you know that the person standing right there in front of you guys um is checking your hands right there in front of each other.
So there’s no razors or nickels or you know any any rocks, so the hands aren’t loaded: okay, okay, somebody trying to Eddie Barrington, hey Eddie for the flowers [ Music ], I tell you Eddie Eddie’s, show enough know how to treat a woman a lady in cyberspace.
He always like that.
The roses and the emote yeah but Eddie come on put up put some change on my books too right.
You know as but bad he’s out here.
We need money on our books.
Do me right anyway, so listen um back to the con back to what I was saying.
Okay, so this that’s the underground.
I’Ve just explained now in sanctioned fights, and this is why this is why it takes so long where a underground fight s got to happen, because you got to take the opportunity when it comes to you right, there’s no back and forth to go.
Oh I’ll fight! You six months from now, what up? No, no so and so in town, okay, uh, we gon na call them out if they take, if if they say they gon na fight, you you better show up that’s how that works in the underground.
Okay, now in the sanction, oh somebody chimed in all right all right.
It’S a party, it’s a party, okay, so big Justin, James, chime in and says lmfa! Oh, oh um! You know these acronyms.
This is how, like I know that you know this is this – is how I’m gon na get my my this is my my bangs.
My cowlick is fine anyway um, these acronyms that y’all be throwing at me.
This is this is how y’all know sugar is not knows.
Uh spring bird, okay, no young, chicken, um it you’re, just gon na – have to come out and tell me and LM.
I guess it’s laughing my face a oh! Oh, I’m um, listen, um, one of my guys behind the scenes.
Let me know my guys.
Let me know what lmfa oh means: okay, so um, yes, big, Justin James, also Chimes back in and says Clarissa is great, but she got to be realistic.
Let me I know I may seem long-winded okay, but I just want to explain what this means all right.
So I’ve gone about the underground, and now I’m talking about sanctioning right but and I’m saying underground and telling you on the sanction inside.
So you guys can understand that there’s contrast in this okay, there’s contrast, um, so listen, um and there’s contracts, contrast and there’s context to all of this all right so um.
The contrast is underground versus sanction.
Sanctioning, okay, we’re gon na go in the to the context of that of of this after, but let’s go through.
Let’S talk about the contrast, so you understand where, where all of this is all right, so um now you have your sanctioning bodies and in sanctioning now you with the sanctioning bodies, you have to schedule, things have to be scheduled.
So if you have a member, that’s a part of another body, your their fights aren’t conflicting with your dates.
If you understand, because you can’t you can’t over use this this this money maker and then next, you know, but you know all the money’s gone right.
They have to um, they have to make WBC got to get their cut off of this person and then the other day two would be WBA would have to make their cut by this other person not fighting on a WBC sanctioned fight, but fighting a WBA sanctioned Fight so WBA can get some money right and then sometimes these two will work together that both bodies will throw something together, a huge fight where two big members, two very loaded bringing money bring in they ass money in uh members get to fight it out.
For a super duper opportunity right and both sanctioning bodies are just making millions of two prospects, or these two contenders have to put in to to give them more money, so the decision can lean towards them right, while you know so, you have investors right.
You have [ Music, ], um corporate sponsors.
You have betting, you have all of these things, so money is moving.
Okay, this is with the sanctions.
So that’s why I want you guys to understand.
Okay now, let’s bring some context into this.
Clarissa Shields is a female fighter, she’s a female fighter with all the bells, but there are no other contenders, pull as much money as she does to fight for these builds.
So she has to find a way to spend enough to to be to stay valued enough and valuable enough to pay these people for her high ranking membership to hold these belts right and these payments just like how you would do a gym membership, some gyms.
They want a monthly fee right.
Some gyms want a quarterly fee right.
You pay us every four months right, um, some gyms.
We only sell yearly, memberships, okay, so imagine now each belt that she has is a membership and as much money as she makes.
She has to either generate that money, so she can pay her membership or she has to pay that money out of her pocket to stay a member.
I hope you guys understand the context of what I’ve just said.
After what I’ve explained now, let’s see who chimed in Michael Orr says: hey sugar, let’s talk about this and how Clarissa lost her damn mind.
Okay Mike said that, and then Michael Oher says Thurman would knock her into the front row.
Eddie Barrington says sugar still can make him cry in the ring.
Um and the host comes in and says Shields versus green should happen.
I love what all of you guys are saying right, but I hope y’all peeped.
What I just said right because I feel like I’m spitting, bars right now so Clarissa Shields by saying this is not making a decision as a fighter she’s making a decision as a businesswoman.
Okay, she has to find a way to generate money.
Okay and what she’ll do is she’ll challenge somebody who makes close to that kind of money that she makes okay and they could be safe enough to not be as relevant of a member.
They may have a lower membership or an old membership.
So then, if she brings money to them, they can hence buy back in.
You know what I’m saying it’s like um who referred you or you know, members helping other members giving them.
You know uh their incentive points.
That’S what’s Happening Here.
That’S what’s happening here, because Clarissa Shields WBA and a WBC member.
She has those belts she’s Undisputed.
She has all of them.
Okay, Thurman also has those two belts, but he has been inactive enough to not not be hot meaning not having all these like investors and having this these hard obligations of staying at a certain level in in the company right in in the in the pyramid.
Staying at a certain level he’s out of it pretty much, he hasn’t fought in a year.
He’S made his money.
You know I, I think all of his investors, you know, have bought into the WBC and had gotten their return enough of their returns.
You know so he’s out of it.
Okay, now Clarissa people Dem sat down and spoke with her, and she she did this okay and she tweeted it around.
I think around the same night that this big boxing match has is happening, Crawford versus um spins.
She should have said this way before how the hell she pulled.
Keith Thurman out her ass, like like.
Well, not listen, I didn’t mean it, but of all the fighters.
Male and female.
She said you Keith hi, why? I know why? Okay – and so you not finna, play me so I knew she was capping, as he all young and say when she came out her mouth and said I’ll fight Thurman at 154.
, so serious all the respect in the world to him too.
I just think I can outbox him.
I didn’t pay attention to it, because I knew I know what I’ve just explained to you.
I hope you’ve been paying attention if not just tap, tap the button and tap the screen to the left and that you know you know how we go um.
So I knew this, but she you know she kept pushing it.
So I um and then it got big people are starting to talk about it.
So I said, let me look deeper into it because she just wrote her.
She wrote her ass, a check.
She wrote her ass, a check saying that right and the thing about it is as a fighter.
There has to be a limit to how much you will sell yourself, for if you know what I mean now: she’s a woman um and a very strong and athletic woman she’s a woman.
Nonetheless, women do not carry the same kind of muscle, mass or kinetic um contractions as men, meaning when a woman’s muscles fire, depending on certain areas right, they can be very powerful and fast, but a man’s connect kinetic contraction, it’s more it’s faster and more powerful because Of how they made how they’re made okay, we also have hormones that regulate that contraction and those contractions are what we call power, strength, endurance right and the more muscle, mass and Contracting fast twitch type muscles.
You have the more durable you are so Sugar’s breaking this thing down to you.
I I thought I was going to sit here and talk.
Some gossip [, __ ] didn’t y’all.
Didn’T you no! This is a teaching moment right because I know the game and then a lot of y’all out here play the game um.
So there’s no way that even for play, she would make it out of this situation undamaged.
You know you’re making money great money, you’re, not damaging your body you’re, not getting your head knocked around like how these guys are like being a in a fight as a male can, you imagine, is totally being different than being fights than being in fights with women.
Right men who play football right have the same kind of PTSD as guys that go to war, men, men that are out there in the war right women’s boxing ain’t there.
Yet it’s tough It’s Hard Out Here, but it ain’t a war like these men got ta fight, so let’s keep it respectful for the underground guys and for the sanction guys.
So for a woman, I think to call out a man that means that she has sold herself yeah right, because now you give that you give that card up.
You give that and you give up that card.
So when these men, that now you got ta fight this war with these men, when you didn’t have to you weren’t in no Wars Clarissa, the hardest fight you had was with Savannah Marshall, and that was a fight that wasn’t a war right.
Let’S talk about wars right, um, fighting a man, a man fighting another man, 26 rounds War right.
So this was nine.
Let’S talk about the 80s, where we there was.
There was like men that had to fight Wars to be the best Marvin Hagler um Sugar, Ray Leonard Roberto Duran, where they call him the Four Kings right, um, Tommy Hearns those are, they called them the Four Kings because they brought they were the Four Kings of Of the sanctioning bodies, okay, but it was a war between all four of them that doesn’t mean that outside of those four there was in killers.
I hope you understand me, Okay, so, as a woman, you know, did you you now calling outside of what you’re being like, where you’re right there there’s a woman.
There’S women memberships in mailman.
Now you could now you’re stepping outside of that now when she opens that gate right and challenges, this male fighter, guess what the sanctioning bodies, if it makes enough money, will entertain it just this once this one.
So we can get this money yeah yeah right, but in doing that it will unlock Pandora’s Box right, because now you open in a whole other Realm right where lower rate outside you know men and men that are outside, because all each member, you know members, you Know are are, can each member, like members, can now um they? They have some kind of privileges in in these bodies.
Right so say, say the guy at shiniga.
Estrada’S weight right calls her out because it can go vice versa.
Now because these two have opened up the gate, if the WBC sees that it’ll make the money they’ll make it a mandatory just as once, just as once yeah right so then you sell your as a man you’re you’re selling your manhood.
Yes, I would say that right because to go fight, a lion find a fight, a bear right, find a freaking dinosaur, you fight a woman, but there’s a lot just for the sake of women.
It’S just it’s a lot of males that would do that.
For the Love of Money right, there’s men that would do it and there’s women that would do it too right! So now that’s where I’m talking about Pandora’s Box um.
So I said you know I’m getting back to because I’m it’s y’all got to sit with me to get the that’s the thing about the sugar show.
I want you to sit with me.
So you’ll learn something.
I promise you um, so this may very well be a thing: they’ve, just they’ve thrown it out there to see and Clarissa stepped up to throw it out there, because she need the money now yeah it.
It doesn’t make any sense for her to hold on to all of those belts, business-wise she’s, not fighting, often enough to and she’s not generating the money or all fighting, often enough to hold on to all the belts at the same time, because she’s a big ticket Member they’re not charging her the membership, you know she’s not paying the membership for the lower people.
No she’s up there up there she’s ranked number one she’s.
Just this right.
She got ta find a way to make the money.
So now people are talking about that.
The idea of mixed matches are coming up now.
You know people are talking about uh.
Now the TR uh trans Community uh participate, like I’ve heard so many things so many things about now this mixed match and it’s not the first time any of this you know has happened um the first one that I know of is when Lucia Riker right.
They were, they were promoting her as the most dangerous woman when she was doing that kickboxing and what she do, what she do she sold herself where she challenged a male um.
I think it was a male uh type kickboxer, but he wasn’t the champion either.
He was just like uh, you know a average dude in male kickboxing and they went at it and you it was a big huge thing.
Money was made.
Somebody sanctioned that damn fight because ain’t nobody get arrested or anything like that um.
You know not to say that you know you don’t you’ll get arrested underground fighting, but there are different rules right.
There are different things where you get left alone by the laws um but um.
You know this was on TV and everything like that – well Lucia and that man got to it in the ring and he knocked her ass.
The [ __ ] out yeah and I have to say it like the reason why I have to say it like that is: oh she heard she got she got knocked out.
I had to say it like that, so you guys understand what had happened yeah.
He came across her damn jaw with his foot and it wasn’t just lights out.
She she was folded like she was in that ring.
Did they had to take her ass out of there on a stretcher, our great Lucia, Riker yeah? So she she got.
She sold herself and she was never the same yeah after that.
Her ass was never the same right.
She ain’t even want to fight Chris Christie, never the same Okay.
So let me be the only one right because now, if Clarissa do this, or is she serious about this, she can’t say nobody told her, because I put it out there in the universe.
The information is out here.
If you want to find it, you will okay and I just gave I just dropped you some Jewels anyway, to risk something like that happening to you.
For the sake of holding on to titles or money you got ta have some dignity.
That’S why I was never big on belts or bodies.
Right, Sugar, Sugar went underground.
Sugar tried it to sanction way, but everybody knows who’s supposed to know sugar, so I don’t need it.
Okay, um and there’s a lot of Fighters out here that are like sugar that are bad all by themselves.
They don’t need to have no green, uh black red purple belt, because people know that day the baddest people know that they’re, the champ or a champion right.
This is this: is in the fight world in the fight world, now um Thurman tweeted back because I mean what are you supposed to do right? It’S a broad calls you out a woman, you of right, I’m gon na, say she ain’t call out.
You know Broner.
She ain’t call out um Garcia, like, though the one that Keith Thurman fought, she ain’t called.
She called out Keith Thurman, so so he won’t have to reply.
I guess I mean any guy, like a a man.
Wouldn’T like okay, I’m not gon na, say a man right, but I’m I’m a champion.
Man wouldn’t reply to this.
Just like how when Ronda Rousey was calling out Floyd Mayweather, he didn’t even respond to her [ Music ] shoofly shoe right because it didn’t.
What’S that going to do for me, I have no reply, that’s irrelevant for me, but Keith Thurman comes back to about.
I would beat Clarissa with one hand tied behind my back.
Oh, my gosh, you didn’t say that Keith, you didn’t say that, because that’s really cringe um and I don’t want to gag on that.
You know what I’m saying um.
He said I would beat her with one arm tied behind my back.
So then Clarissa gets on her live right and she turns it into this.
I mean I listen to it as much as I could right, but I listened to it enough to um to confirm what I know right, which is.
This is a publicity stunt um.
She gets on her line and she says um I called Keith out for sparring.
You call Keith out for what it’s boring check.
Please bring the bill, I’m done.
You know what I’m saying that I shouldn’t have to pay for paper um.
It didn’t do anything for me, you know what I’m saying, but it’s hard like you know it’s hard to get money from people who know right, but there are people that are are buying into this because they don’t know, and they don’t understand right.
They really don’t understand the the context of what this is of what this publicity stunt is.
We got to get a hold on Society right in a society where you have a you know, you could blur the lines and I’m you know men and women.
Uh can can fight each other in public for money.
That’S gon na blur the lines of so many um societal expectations, right, um, domestic violence on both ways.
You know um they’ll, it’ll, erase that right um.
I know that they talk about gender inequality, but you know I’ve trained with men and there’s no way that I would be able to rise up to when they’re at Peak.
There’S the you know, we’re talking, there’s gon na be a guy that or guys that are beyond my Peak all the time right, so I’d hate to have to be held to that manhood standard right.
You know, but that’s hard, that’s hard to work for me as a woman right and um.
Therefore, all the opportunities that women women who are outstanding among women will are going to have now go.
They disappear and we’re back where we we started where we don’t even have a voice.
You guys stop.
This is not do whoever like, for so many reasons, don’t sip this Kool-Aid.
We know we’re not going to use boxing right to to mess our minds up.
Okay, so um she was on her live and she said she called him out for sparring, and so then she said how he gon na say that he could beat me with one hand but time behind.
I’M the what I sparred with many were male world champions.
Uh and champions that are more relevant than him.
Oh, I spar with Shakur, I put sparring.
Let’S add some context to what sparring is what practices we’re talking about you getting in there and a lot of these Pros.
They don’t do it like when you Scrappy, and you coming up right that you, where you got the open, face head gear, what do or you got the cheap ass headgear that disrespiring right that you don’t even you know that ain’t, even really stopping your being from Bouncing around in your skull right these at the you know at at Clarissa’s levels.
Now she got she can afford she’s sparring with the um headgear, with the cage in the front of her face.
So when she got and she’s not even getting that right and then when she spars with other people when she does hard sparring with other people right um, these other people are pulling shots right, they’re not going for the jugular in there now when she first started Off as in like in the amateur days and when she was coming up, of course, you’d have to get in there underground and and when you apart up, because she was a part of USA boxing right, she’s, a part of the USA boxing.
There was there’s Golden Gloves: there’s, USA boxing, there’s pal the Police, Athletic League, it they’re so they’re all these bodies, they did it, they do it for amateurs too right and when we were coming up before these WBC WBA.
All you know they wouldn’t even let us they wouldn’t they wouldn’t even let women into their organizations hello right so I mean.
Ah now we can fight for the bells or whatever now yeah [ __ ].
Now you got ta pay a bill right and now you got ta pay a big Bill to be legit where we had our own belts at one time and they were more authentic too, because it was, there was a still.
There was still a a little tinge of realness in women’s boxing okay.
So if you were acknowledged by certain IBA I mean it was an IBA, if you goodness, oh no y’all.
I didn’t write this down.
I’M just talking off the cuff now, but whoever’s out there.
Let me see what y’all know what were the first women’s boxing, just women’s boxing sanctioning bodies right uh, one off the top of my head: um wiba, okay, but there were some even um around when he established in, I think, probably before right.
But these were women focused right, you pay your 500 dollars right, you buy in and nobody count the gate really.
You know what I’m saying and we show up and we show out and we get paid.
We didn’t have to pay nobody, no big fees for their belts right and then, when the fight happened, you still walked off with your face on because it was just women Behaving Badly.
Okay.
So that’s where we’re coming from these belts, women’s boxing is not being promoted.
That way, and that’s why Tommy Hearn has taken up women’s boxing okay, because he wants pool he’s using women’s boxing he’s putting on bringing these women to making someone, because some of his male Champs ain’t, bringing in no money and and that’s who he wants to stay In in certain tiers of the membership in these sanctioning bodies, so if those guys can’t pay the bill well, Eddie Hearn don’t want to pay the bill out his pocket.
So he puts on women’s fights to supplement the income that he may be losing from the Champions that he promotes in his stable that are male that are not bringing in as much money okay.
So this I mean it’s all business Clarissa is a promoter.
You know they they’re talking business to her and she’s realized she’s at the point where? Who else is she gon na fight to make all this money right? Keith, Thurman, [, __ ]? I guess he’s the one that part of the membership where he like [, __, ], I’ll fight I’ll fight abroad.
I fight I will tie behind my back right where any guy, especially a guy who was a world champion, would never get in the ring as hard as it is to be.
A world champion will never get in the ring and compete with a woman, uh women’s world champion.
That’S like uh, Michael Jordan, Jumpman um, the challenging or you know doing something with Lisa Leslie.
I don’t know if they even said, but I don’t know the names of the girls.
Okay, I’m sorry! I wouldn’t.
I wouldn’t begging the WBA, barely big in in the uh NBA, but it’s the same thing right.
Would you put um LeBron’s James team against you know any women’s WNBA team and take it seriously? Do you think those guys would actually train and show up to play them? Girls, that’s what I mean and it’s not it’s not a diss to us.
It’S what I’ve! Just explained right in order to maintain the [ __ ], it is very hard.
We are not equal.
A man in his Peak, the biggest strongest man at his Peak, is not the same as the biggest strongest woman in her Peak right.
So the biggest strongest woman in her Peak might be just a little bit better than the average standard of the man right, because there’s a lot of below average walking around too male and female.
I hope you understand okay, so it’s only to find out, but it I mean a world champion I was I was.
I was a world champion man and I would get in the ring and then they um the thing is they were saying: oh, let’s do it for charity? Okay, because WBC and WBA got a charity, so they gon na get the money from they gon na pay.
Him the money one way or the other right charity charity for what right? A lot of Charities give back to themselves.
A lot of Charities only give to people who mess with them right.
So the real people who are needy because people who are in need have no affiliation, they need help, they don’t get the money, they don’t get the help.
That’S how that works.
You see homeless, people and stuff on the street they’re not affiliated with any and that with with any organization, if you’re affiliated with any organization out there that helps people in trouble and your affiliate.
Well, you you’ll get help from your organization.
That’S how that works.
You got to buy in so um said that to say this um Clarissa Shields.
She she went on live on her social media, one of her social media platforms and said she challenged him in sparring.
Keith Thurman wanted to keep the opportunity going because he made one a little bit.
He may want some money, okay or he may still owed him people who knows all right um.
She was talking about her belts and awards, and you know it’s nothing she’s more accomplished than Keith Thurman uh.
Listen.
I never seen an accomplishment stopped somebody from getting they ass, whooped right that ain’t, a shield I accomplished, no, because at the end of the day a fight is a fight.
Okay and you ain’t hurting no broad out here, so how you think you’re gon na hurt a world champion male, it just doesn’t make any sense.
I don’t want Clarissa Shields to be now looked at as ridiculous, and this one is written her this her doing.
This is ridiculous right.
I know you came up hard, sweetie right, but don’t sell yourself to make money, don’t sell yourself and who you are for a buck.
Okay.
I know you going through some things right.
You ain’t getting married, no more! That’S a hard blow! Okay! I know I’ve lost relationships, I’m divorced.
I’Ve not done all of this thing in boxing right and I didn’t have as big a spotlight as you did Clarissa Shields or you do so.
I know you must be going through some things right, but don’t sell yourself for the sake of that um lovely assistant.
Let’S go to my next image.
Now, look at this um I’ll I’ll fight, Keith Thurman at 154 pounds so serious like this.
Is her look at their body makeup right, that’s those two! At that weight! 154 pounds! You tell me what it look like somebody chime and tell me what that tell me what that [ __ ] looked like right in a fight um we’re not going to entertain it.
She shouldn’t entertain it um doing that cheapens her Clarissa Shields, the people around you have to encourage you to be the woman, it’s okay to be the woman, it’s so okay, right, um, she’s, very young.
Still, of course, the shields is very young still and she’s taken.
She there’s things in her life that she’s going through and she has not finished going through them yet so she doesn’t understand uh trials and tribulations of being that woman, uh Randall Bailey comes in and says I think she beats him up.
You think Clarissa um.
Please explain to me Randall Bailey, why you think Clarissa Shields would beat up a a world champion male in boxing Randall Bailey.
You tell me um tell me why you think Clarissa Shields, look at all in any of Clarissa’s, so you’re saying that Keith Thurman is no better than the opposition that Clarissa Shields has beat up in women’s boxing.
Are you saying that Randall Bailey? I please explain to me what you’re saying right because to say something is one thing right, but to know the context behind what you’ve said takes a lot more depth than maturity right.
So let’s have a.
Let’S have a conversation.
Let’S get freaky tell me what you mean by that um Randall Bailey says exactly exactly what um are you? Are you saying we’re agreeing with what I so you think that Clarissa Shields opposition is the same caliber right, so franchon Cruz, uh who’s.
She, who has she, beat Hannah Gabriel um, Christina Hammer, um MK, Herman um, like you, think, uh Savannah Marshall.
You think those girls are on the same level as Keith Thurman, a male world champion I mean, is that what you’re saying is that what you’re exactly means? Let’S talk about boxing okay, I want you to understand that boxing is not a video game.
Right, you’re getting damaged, you’re getting damaged, it looks fun because people are standing on the outside.
When you get hit you’re getting damaged, it does hurt right, but what we do as Fighters, we train to the extent that there’s a there’s, a mental.
We are Beyond physical.
Now, there’s a mental being that we are in the rain as we’re while we’re receiving damage.
We are still trying to damage the other person to the point where they stop.
So that’s will now, if you’re saying that Clarissa Shields has more will than Keith Thurman.
I you may have a point right because will will is not you know, will can’t be really weighed by the scale right.
Some machines she does have will um, but there are so many other variables that nullify that will right, um, Randall Bailey says I feel she would prepare different for a fight with.
Please tell me the preparation that would make a woman perform at the same caliber right.
A woman, a woman, real Champion right.
That means she’s the world champion because she’s beat all the women in her in in her organizations.
That’S why she’s that’s? Why she’s? Who she is right, she hasn’t beat all the woman.
She hasn’t beat all the bad [ __ ] in the world, just the baddies, who are a part of these organizations.
Okay, hadn’t knocked nobody out haven’t folded.
Nobody had not no teeth out.
People walk out of date out of the ring after they fight her on day two feet.
Do you know that there are women out here that are hurting cracking faces like this is why this is why I have this platform, because I want y’all to.
I want you to understand this Randall right, Clarissa Shields ain’t, the only female like she she’s, not! She ain’t the only best female fighter.
She ain’t the baddest, neither she’s the baddest in these organizations now you’re saying that Clarissa Shield prepared differently.
This woman is the same or is better than a man that has had to go through all the wars with other men.
In his organization, right to become a world champion, you’re telling me that all of the men that Keith Thurman has beat right are are not as good as Clarissa Shields are.
Is that what you’re saying because Keith Thurman has a pretty decent receipt? Is that what you’re saying, though, right? Let’S talk boxing um Randall Bailey said it’s all about preparation, Randall Bailey says: what’s her record, oh, I don’t know.
Do you need to tell me her record right? I know Clarissa Shields is undefeated um she’s fighting all of these women that are a part of the the organization and she’s beat all of them, but I don’t know what her record is in the world of fighting of women’s boxing of women’s fighting right, because um Carissa ain’t known underground: she ain’t due to underground thing.
She did that she did the USA boxing she kept it.
She kept it cool right, she’s, not from my generation, where most of us had had a taste or came from that Underground.
So you know I’m giving this conversation a lot of context, because the shit’s getting out of hand.
It really is.
It really is right and we can’t let people who don’t know what’s going on, tell us what’s going on right.
We can’t let the blind lead us.
Um Randall Bailey says Keith’s, not that hard to figure out two right so figure out.
Oh okay, the great Mike Tyson, said what everyone has a plan until they get punt until they get punched in the face.
Yeah everybody has a plan until they get their [, __, ], rocked again and again and again right, because what we do know is Keith.
Thurman is a world champion in the in that box and he’s the best he has.
He was one of the best in those bodies.
Right that mean he done rocked a lot of people’s [ __ ] a lot of men’s [, __ ] right.
So how Clarissa right that figure out how’s she going what’s she gon na, do when she get rocked again and again and again, what’s she gon na do when she feel that what did have you ever Randall? I want you to understand this.
Okay, I want you to remember.
I want you to remember the last time you got your ass whooped because I know you done got your ass whooped before Randall Bailey right and multiply that by as little as three right somebody beating on you, you done figure it out now, like you slip, some Of them, or you probably ran away, but when they, when they connected huh.
Think about that and and tell me tell me how it went right when you figured out.
She was getting your ass whooped because that’s all you’re gon na figure out right, um, Evan, bus or busay, hey, Evan, um Shields could prepare.
However, she wants, but the fat remains.
She’S a woman he’s a man.
She would uh be punched through the ring um.
You know what I don’t even think he would punch her through the ring right.
I I think you know one some.
Some good hits to that body to them.
Ribs crack your ribs up and [ __ ] you fold right.
You melt into a a pile of jello sludge right because remember he’s a male fighter.
Male Fighters, tactically, do things differently than women Fighters.
He ain’t gon na punch her through the ring he’s not gon na punch her in the head or anything right.
This is a fight now he’s going to go to her body, he’s gon na go to her body and he’s going to stay on her body right and he’s gon na damage.
Her ribs he’s gon na damage.
Her he’s going to hit her all through her insides until she collapsed in a puddle of of what her body looked like in the ring.
So it’s a lot more serious than you think right, a fighter um! That’S how I know right.
I have to explain to y’all it’s we’re not we’re, not this ain’t Sonic where you know y’all, not we knocking the Rings out of each other right.
This is bodily harm and damage.
I want you to understand.
So when you see women fight, we barely we don’t uh.
Most women aren’t even doing that to each other right.
These women nowadays nowadays are not taught to do that.
I was taught to do that.
You had to do that to survive right during a certain time.
They don’t do that.
No more right, they’re they’re doing that the glorified amateur fighting putting together.
You know certain cookie cutter combinations, no one’s digging, digging the ribs, no one’s, you know no one’s beating up the kidneys or the liver.
You know I’m saying no one’s pressing.
The Vegas system, you know no one’s making the no one’s hitting under here, so the lungs swell.
You know I’m saying nobody knows about these things, not many especially a lot of women.
They just hitting each other right, they’re, not being taught that’s.
Why I say you know I’m so grateful because a lot of my teachers are gone now, they’re gone to that other place.
I can’t talk to them, except for my memories and that’s what I have and that’s what I share with y’all about this fight thing right, because once I started learning about it, I automatically became a different type of woman, still a woman because they made sure right.
I remember I remember that I’m a woman right, but now I have a different mind: okay, because most women out here are – and you hit woman woman where sometimes a [ __ ] will get hit.
And if you got it in you, you could fight.
You could fight for yourself, you know what I’m saying, and this is not boxing.
This is life, this the streets, okay, yeah you’re at the club or whatever – and some guy tried to talk to you.
He don’t like what you tell him, I’m from that era that a girl would get laid out by a dude.
Just for being like that.
Just for saying No thank you.
No! I’M not really feeling you! Okay, all right! So um said that uh Randall Bailey then came, and you know so um my host has cleared up that Clarissa shields’s record is 14, wins zero losses and two Kos right.
She done hurt or stopped two women, and this the best this this the best, the baddest [ __ ] in the world.
Okay, y’all, stop it’s like.
There’S y’all don’t have to people have people when we entertain stuff like that.
We go backwards mentally, which, as a mature people right um, so Randall Bailey comes in and says Keith, neither he comes to says and was and laughing.
So I think I think you just saying that uh uh Randall to spark conversation, which I do appreciate because you dare giving me the laugh, emojis uh, Randall Bailey, still comes back and says she.
She, I think she beats him.
Randall Bailey says what female fights you’ve been watching.
Um Randall Baylor says these women are crackling, Randall Bailey also says she from the streets: Randall Bailey bag of Bailey.
You know what I don’t think you would be this for like if, if we were face to face, I really don’t think you would be saying all these things right, because you’d have to look me in the eye and own.
What you’re saying and you know what you’re saying it’s like you joking, it’s got to be a joke right, um, but yeah Randall Bailey, these women out here are are crackling.
Have you ever felt? What a crackle feels like Have You Been crackled by a man? Come on, Randall Bailey, admit something, and you know what I’m saying has have you ever been like.
Have you ever fought a man like what I’m saying is Randall Bailey, so you you out here and uh.
You think that um, you see a a abroad at around your size or weight.
You think that is 50 50.
Randall Bailey.
You need to sign up for some fighting classes with Michael Oher he’s.
I think he teach fighting still right because you’re, not even you, can’t even you can’t even get trained by my coaches right Michael Michael deal with you right because my mic, I give you some fundamentals right, but um.
You know the street card, I’m not sure.
If you understand what that’s, what the streets is, uh Randall Bailey but that’ll come out in the book sugar book right because uh yeah these streets, these streets, um or something else.
Okay, um and these women are crackling in their organization.
Right, they’re, they’re, crackling members, okay, um, and they you know they they bought in, but I I’m giving everyone context of what you know what’s going on, so we understand that.
Okay, this is boxing, but in order for us to um, you know, let’s, let’s not buy into you, know, let’s respect the game enough to um less respect, not even the game, because boxing with that is the one sport you don’t play right.
Let’S respect This legal assault right, let’s respect it because it it is something that you it it’s not you get somebody you hold somebody in a Full, Nelson and right, like ain’t, nobody died in the ring doing MMA.
You know what I’m saying there may have been: people died in the rain that do kickboxing, and these are real fighting sport.
You ain’t getting.
You know, there’s people that have gotten paralyzed in wrestling and [ __ ] right this ain’t, no video game, we’re the we’re.
We are gladiators right, I I’ve survived through it.
I am an old Gladiator, okay, um and, and once you guys, entertain stuff like this, that means you’ve lost respect for the thing for what we’ve done and what we risk and put out there right all, because sanctioning bodies have Co, have conditioned your mind to take Away from why we’re doing this? We’Re doing this to be the best and we’re doing this now, because it’s a way that we can take ourselves out of our situations by doing something that we’re not scared to do, and we may be good at which is fighting um.
Our host says: uh men versus women punching power study.
Male average power during a punching motion was 162 percent greater than females with the least powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman.
Well, I believe that [ __ ] you ain’t, got to tell me.
I’Ve been I’ve been in there with dudes good ones and not so good ones.
It was the not so good ones that I had to worry about because they wanted me to know that they could still.
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