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EPISODE: Episode 3
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[, Music ], damn yeah, [, Music, ], hey good evening boxing fans around the world welcome to talk a fight.
Another episode of the boxing panels, Mike I’m glad you’re gon na be on board because uh we have a few things to discuss.
One of the things that I want to discuss is something that uh, quite frankly, Cedric Ben did not want to discuss last week but has really blown up, and I want to discuss it before we before we get to the fights I just want to have.
Seeing he’s not here, I want to have a quick little conversation with you about this whole Terence Crawford situation.
Terence Crawford comes out publicly and says Al Hayman’s, a goof, okay in a nutshell, okay, oh Oscar De La Hoya comes out and says you’re.
Absolutely right.
Alham is a goof, Earl, Spence comes out and says you guys, don’t know what you’re talking about okay, so um.
Those are three in a nutshell, uh sentences where I’m now, because I’ve been reporting this on my new show saying you know and quite frankly getting a lot of feedback about with respect to.
We would have all loved to have seen Arrow spans and Terence Crawford go fight to fight Toto this month, which is when they were supposed to, but they couldn’t agree to a a deal and that apparently the deal was all hinged on pay-per-view.
But when Terence Crawford came forward and said, hey man, I’m getting 50 million dollars offered to me by two hedge funds – 25 million a piece.
What do you say Errol? Do you want to do this? Forget forget all hey man, let’s just do this and Errol Spence said nope.
I’M under contract do Al Haymon, I’m not going to do it anyway.
I just thought I just before Cedric Ben gets on the line here argues with me till the cows come home.
I just want to bring that up and say: do you have any thoughts on that? You know, honestly, honestly, I know that um.
I know that the the Crawford David Ivan ecn things going on.
I I did hear I did hear Oscar say at that uh at the last event that they had that the promoters were on board.
They were just waiting for the networks and the networks are the ones that didn’t get this happening, so I’m not uh.
Well: okay, okay, let me fill in the latest details.
The latest details were not so much that the okay so in days gone by.
What would happen is Fighters would be guaranteed a certain amount of money to fight? That’S it that’s all okay, and what they would hear on the back end would be negligible, in other words, you’re not going to see the back end.
Okay, no, in other words in days gone by you you’d, be saying to a top-ranked fighter put that in their quotes, top rank fighter uh you you’ll you’ll get a million dollars for this fight.
Okay right, so the fighter goes into the fight going.
Okay, great! I’M getting a million bucks boink now what’s happened in this situation, is Terence Crawford, went to Al Haymon and said I’m willing to fight Aerospace for all the belts.
Even if you give me zero guaranteed monies up front, I’m more than happy to go at it.
Given uh not a guarantee, but what they call, it uh a split of the purse on the ppv rights.
Okay, so the problem here is is no one knows what those ppv rights are, in other words and for all those people out there.
Listening, that’s pay-per-view rights, in other words, if say, a hundred thousand people pay ten bucks, a pop there’s, a million dollars of which turns and arrow would split.
Eighty percent, okay, okay, so they wouldn’t get a huge chunk of dope, but at least they get a chunk of dough, as opposed to days gone by when they would get zero, though, is all I’m saying so nowadays, um even Jake Paul has said his latest fight, Which garnered 200 300 000 pay-per-views wasn’t enough to pay the rent, basically in a nutshell, okay, so he was a little unhappy with the Pay-Per-View results on his phone now for someone, who’s got what 20 million viewers followers or something like that yeah.
That’S a pretty minimal number yeah yeah, so in other words, even a guy like Jake Paul, who has a kajillion followers.
He can’t even get two hundred thousand three hundred thousand got pay-per-view.
So, in other words, what’s terms now, remember Bob Aaron severed his relationship with Terence Crawford because Terence Crawford could not guarantee because Terence Crawford would not speak to the public.
I’M not gon na speak to the public, I’m a boxer! That’S what I’m gon na do that box uh! No! The problem here is: is Fighters need to speak to the pup through us through guys, like us? Boxers need to speak to Guys Like Us, promote their fights, say: hey how great I am blah blah blah.
Okay.
At the end of the day, Terence Crawford wasn’t willing to do that so Barb Aaron said you go to hell, come out.
Okay bottom line so long now, ironically, a lot of the guys who are uh aligned with uh Golden Boy promotions signed over to Al Hyman.
Okay, so Al Hyman’s signs uh like five at least five or six right.
Why? Because go because they accuse Golden Boy of not promoting, and I hate to be racist about this, but they weren’t promo Golden Boy, wasn’t promoting black right yeah.
I’M I’m glad I’m glad Timmy’s on board here, because Tim can support me on this when I’m 100 sure about this.
Okay, hey Tim, we’re talking about Al Haymon and we’re talking about Golden Boy promotions, Oscar De La Hoya, and we’re talking about uh, the the fight that was supposed to happen this month, uh between Terence Crawford and arrow Spence, which didn’t happen.
Okay and the reason it didn’t happen is because of money, quite frankly, money now, so we are talking quite frankly and Tim help help us out here.
Where do we stand here? Where? Where did? Where does the public stand when it comes to money like because we’ve got a five or six promoters? Who will pay? You x, amount of dollars? Okay, you also.
You also have an assembly small amount of Fighters, making the overwhelming majority of the money in boxing.
Well, a huge number make next to nothing.
There is no middle class, so there is increasingly less incentive for athletes to take up boxing because the odds of them hitting it and making the big money are uh in the range of you know: zero, one, zero right and and each team each team with this Is blaming each other’s backers right? You have, you have Crawford and his backers of blame, Spence and Spence’s backers just have, admittedly, have laid the blame upon Crawford.
So, of course, instead of bickering over who’d win what should be a fantastic fight? The fans are arguing about something they don’t have a clue about.
They have no idea what the truth is in the matter.
They don’t understand the business and yet they fill social media with these obscene rants instead of discussing the actual fight right.
So so Tim are you.
Are you aware of this discussion? I’M lost in space like that movie, all right.
Okay, let me let me tell you what happened very very, very, very recently, Tim uh, Terence Crawford.
You know who Terence Crawford is right: yeah, yeah, okay, so Terence Crawford comes out and says publicly.
I have two hedge funds willing to give me a narrow, spends 25 million dollars each to fight okay.
Now, hedge funds – I don’t know if you know this or not, but hedge funds don’t give 25 million dollars without a guarantee.
Okay, hedge funds are are a conglomerate of investors and they they won’t give 25 million dollars without some Reservoir.
There, like there’s got to be some one matter is, is if, if you’ve pre-sold 25 million tickets at one dollar, a piece great we’ll be happy to put in that 25 million dollars.
But the point matter is: is Terence Crawford comes out and says to Errol Spence, hey man, I’ve got 50 million dollars guaranteed between you and me.
We can split it Al Hayman.
We can go forward with this.
Let’S go so Errol Spence says: hey man I’m assigned to Al Hayman.
I can’t do it.
I’Ve got to go with my boy um.
So so, as you all know, Errol Spence, I think he’s going to fight uh, Thurman and uh Terence Crawford’s gon na fight uh evanesian from from Russia right bottom line.
Okay, so at the end of this right move okay! Well, today, uh Oscar De La Hoya comes out and says: hey man.
I support what Terence Crawford says: uh Al haymon’s, a piece of in a nutshell: okay, and this this is all coming to light here.
Now I brought this up last Friday and uh.
You know we did want to get into it because it’s a political, Hot Potato, but I I am bringing it up because it’s been ongoing this entire week, uh with respect to the promoters who control Fighters and the amount of monies that are involved here.
So, in other words, if there are independent funds out there, that will support fights so, for example, a super good example is.
The British, for example, are more than willing to go over to Saudi Arabia and or UAE and have a fight and each get paid.
Millions of dollars of money, yeah right, whereas you know Tim, you know Tim how? How much do they get paid to fight at 2400 Arena like really a couple of thousand bucks.
Honestly, honestly, we can break depend, know who it is, but yeah not.
The whole example, for example, the card in Los Angeles on September, the 4th, through Ruiz and Ortiz yeah Ruiz, made a million dollars, Ortiz earned 550 000 and of the 60 and of the 16 fighters who competed that night.
Eight of them made 550 or sorry 5500 or less, which is Antonio Lopez, Juan Carlos Lopez, earned 5500 each Anthony Cuba, Oscar Perez Anthony uh Garcinia and Jesus Carrillo.
Each made five grand Matt, gaver and Cal Spencer earned four and ravello made two after ravello paid his debts, such as manager, trainer, cutman, license drug testing, Etc.
He’D be lucky if he could afford a medium pizza with pepperoni and extra cheese and a two liter bottle of soda.
If he’s well known.
No, this is what this is.
What I’m saying like, okay, you got.
You got two major guys on the card that are making you know 550 to a million dollars, and everybody else is making five grand right.
Okay, so all other all other 16 fighters on there are amazing five grand that should be a little bit more than they should do.
Do something a little bit better than that up and coming guys right and that’s what I’m saying Tim, let me just interject here, so we get to the major Point here back in your day, back in your day, Tim you’re, you’re, you’re chopping, wood and you’re you’re, Making money for a living so to speak, okay, you’re, making money for a living nowadays, these guys recognize that there are pay-per-view rights okay available to them, but what’s on the back end is not uh being shown to them.
In other words, what Terence Crawford is saying is: is that alham is not being honorable or respectful and saying I’m going to show you how much money we actually make on the back end, I’m going to guarantee you as a matter of fact, Al Haymon said to Terence Crawford I’ll give you zero guarantee, but I’ll give you 80.
On the back end, Terence Crawford said I don’t believe you will give me 80 because I don’t believe your numbers are they actually negotiating? I don’t believe that.
Well, so so here’s the point: are they actually negotiate with him or they had they people? No! So basically in a nutshell, the conversation between Terence Crawford and Al Haymon stopped because Terence Crawford quite frankly needs to make a buck or him himself.
He has no people.
So he’s negotiating himself yeah Terence Crawford negotiated a deal with uh.
What’S his name Mike the Russian guy evanesian, oh yeah, right yeah, so he’s not he’s now going to fight David and Nation.
Uh he’ll probably beat him okay and Taryn uh Errol Spence is going to fight uh, probably because he’s not been confirmed yet, but probably gon na he’s gon na fight Thurman, okay, both Al Haymon Fighters, yeah and the winner of those who Fighters.
So, let’s assume that Arrow spans and Terence cover win they’re gon na fight for the uh Undisputed title.
If I’m not mistaken, that’s how everybody waiting to see you know what you know.
What, with with Crawford you better get out there and sell those tickets.
Then man, 50, 75, 125, 200 and 500 right, but that, but that’s exactly what I’m saying I’m saying if you remember the argument between Terence Crawford and Bob Aaron, which ended in their split okay yeah, so Bob arum used to represent Terence Crawford.
Okay, then, because Terence Crawford refused to deal with the media refused to promote his fights in a public manner.
Okay, Bob arum said you man, I need fighters who are going to Yap the app okay and talk, so he dumped Terence Crawford he and Terence Crawford.
I forget his record right now.
What was the split? Well, I actually don’t know I mean am I am I up, but the point matter is Terence Crawford, something like 29-0 right, if I’m not mistaken, Mike yeah against the law, but but the point of the matter is, is Bob arum said okay you’re out of here? Okay, go on your own, so Terence Crawford went up on his own and he found these two hedge funds.
These two hedge funds wanted to offer 25 million a piece yeah to Terence Crawford, narrow spans to fight each other.
Okay, yeah Al Hayman said no way.
I’M not involved in this.
Therefore, you two fighters cannot agree on this deal.
They got a contract right.
Well, Aaron’s, Errol Spence had a contract with Al Hayman.
That’S why the deal couldn’t be done, but the point of the matter is is uh.
It brings to light quite frankly if, if, if, if and I I I really have to emphasize – if if there really are two hedge funds out there, because because you have to understand how hedge funds operate, head funds don’t operate on the whim, they don’t say.
Oh, here’s: 25 million we’re not we’re not Bill Gates, we’re not we’re, not business.
We’Re not um.
Elon Musk hedge funds are responsible for their individual investors.
Money.
Okay, hedge funds, don’t simply give money and say hey.
We hope we can make money back.
No, that’s not how hedge funds operate so for arrows.
Sorry for Terence Crawford to come and say: oh I’ve got two hedge funds going 25 million a piece personally, given my background in business, I find that hard to believe.
Okay, but Terence Crawford says it.
So the point matter is: is him and Errol Spence getting his online debate about who’s got money, and why should I fight okay now, in the meantime their respective shall we say, managers say to them: hey man, Errol you’re, gon, na fight Thurman.
I I can’t remember the date, but that that that that that’s now a done deal not not really, but it will be meanwhile mewar Crawford’s going off against the nation.
So anyway yeah you know it’s.
It’S crazy man, the really the exclusive TV deals are the death or the depth to the sport right now period, uh, really yeah man, Showtime, Showtime and ESPN, say we’re open to all promoters and bid on fights that uh they felt their audiences would love.
It would boost the sport.
Immensely uh exclusivity simply prevents a huge number of potentially good fights from occurring.
It’S all about.
It’S all about pay-per-view buys like we’re not seeing these fights because nobody wants to buy it and and that’s the sad part about it like in the US in the US.
There are three main broadcast outlets for boxing ESPN, which has an exclusive deal with top rank.
Showtime uh, which Premier League, does business with PVC and the Zone uh, which is busy rarely with matchroom and Golden Boy.
There’S no advisable options.
It’S just money! Oh money, right, yeah! That’S what I’m talking about yeah.
There are no other viable options for other promoters to get their shows, televised and without TV they’re dead and despite you know, and dispute over which network should televise an interesting fight between, like you know, say, Ryan, Garcia and Javonte Davis has that amount of life support.
You know Showtime Mike.
Let me interject that that fight will never happen because Ryan Garcia is represented by Oscar De La Hoya and uh.
Gervant Davis is represented by Al Haymon and, given the recent this past week, argument between the two yeah and it is vicious, it’s vicious that argument that those two those who’ve so in other words, us fans, will never see that fight happen, because not not because the Fighters don’t want to see it happen, the fighters want to see to happen, but because of the Pay-Per-View yeah.
In a nutshell, Tim, it’s it’s a really Vicious Circle right.
That’S a really, really good thing for everybody to watch.
You know you know too too often too often see like Fighters Are Meant To Believe.
They’Re all meant to believe that once you’re on pay-per-view you’re in the promised land uh, you know because of the success primarily of like you know, your Floyd Mayweather is your Mike Tyson’s, your mini Pacos yeah, it’s a very small handful of others in Pay-Per-View fights and Too often a fight goes to pay-per-view because no TV network wants to fund and broadcast it.
That’S how even and quietly you know, that’s how even a quality belt like Crawford and Spence will not get underway, it’s being slow for a ridiculously high amount of money.
You know or something like that, and you know anywhere near 100.
000 sales is even not enough, even not enough to cover these.
You know these expenses so because they’re not they’re, not guaranteed, so really really it’s the same kind of thing.
As, like a high-end Fighter, fighting a low, a low end fighter, you know high risk low reward.
It’S like you same thing with the TV right like it’s a high risk, but you might get low reward.
You know we could have these fights happen there is that huge opportunity there we can make up.
You know that huge money maybe make that half a million six hundred thousand pay-per-view by event, but then there is you know that possibility that it’s not going to happen at all.
Let’S just let before sorry Tim before you, oh so let me interject something here from a marketing perspective.
I’Ve had over 35 years of marketing experience and I’ve got to tell you the outside world.
Okay of marketing, probably spans the gamut between 10 and 80 million viewers.
In terms of potential boxing fans out there, okay, but realistically Jake Paul even said, okay, and the only reason I bring him up is because he got twenty thousand.
No sorry, 200.
000.
300 000 viewers of his last uh Pay-Per-View fight, okay, and he was really upset about it.
Okay, now he’s got 20 million followers.
Okay.
So if you were to look at boxing as a worldwide Global sport in the same way that we would look at soccer or basketball or Cricket any one of the major sports out there, we would say wow how many viewers could we get if we had the Top-Notch fighters lined up okay at the end of the day, I would argue: it’s a marketing equation.
It’S simply how much money are you willing to spend so here’s the problem? The problem is, is that you have three or four promoters from the UK three or four promoters in the US who simply decide their Fighters are the best and their Fighters will compete for the purse.
Okay.
Now now you have an interesting equation where you have uh.
Let’S say promoters I’ll I’ll put that in air quotes promoters from UAE and promoters from Saudi Arabia.
Saying how much money do you need to put your best fighters into our rings and now, all of a sudden, you have a different equation, because now you’re saying wait a sec! These guys are putting up a million bucks.
Two million bucks, three million bucks to bring in top level Fighters to fight guaranteed money and we’ll give them a share of pay-per-view rights.
That’S a whole different ball game than what’s happening right now.
Go ahead, Tim! No! No! That’S a different ball game! It is money all that money they’ve been they’ve, been doing it for the last.
What a couple years right, um only the past couple years.
You know: Eddie Hearn, believes that Ryan, Garcia and tank Davis and Earl Spence and Terence Crawford fights could get made of PBC or to make the right decisions pay some big Foods yeah in in the tank in the tank and rankings.
If Showtime were to allow the zone to be involved, uh with that fight, it would get made immediately.
Showtime wants to be the one uh that exclusively shows the fight, and that’s what I was saying earlier.
It’S about exclusivity and the networks.
The networks are like the promoters are getting together.
The promoters are getting together, they’re like hey: let’s have this fight happen, yeah, okay, cool and then you got all of a sudden.
The networks are coming in being like well, I want to show it here.
It wants to be me, I want to be the exclusivity.
You know I want exclusivity, I want all the rights, I want it to be shown on my network and it’s it’s killing fights that that’s what’s happening honestly, honestly, they should have just agreed to that.
25 million dollar deal that Crawford told him was available for each of them from an outside company.
Instead of going for the deal, Spence told his advisor Al Haymon about uh and he didn’t go for it and now Spence could be fighting Keith Thurman next for a quarter of the money that he would have made had.
He agreed to the Crawford offer.
According to her um, you know some people claim that they uh negotiated their own deals and stuff like that by boxers.
But that’s really hard.
You know you got to train, you got a box and stuff um.
It’S hard.
You got ta, you can’t do the business.
I mean you could act like you did in a certain words.
Oh, he did it on his own, but you physically got to get in shape and mentally.
It don’t work.
If we don’t want to write, do you understand what I’m saying guys when he said that he negotiated his own thing? He’S got to think about the money he’s got to think about the fight.
All my old time, trainers are telling me Tim.
I don’t think a boxer can can negotiate his own deal and get in shape and think about the fight and think about all these things.
He has to have somebody operate and doing all this negotiating while he put 100 in the training.
But when you said that I was like there may be some, you know, there’s maybe some some problems.
Maybe you know when the fight around the fight time, but when it comes, though, that make any kind of sense yeah.
No, no it does it does it does.
It’S hard to do both um.
You know Carl Carl made a comment here.
He goes.
I just don’t understand why North American fight fans don’t go to this, don’t go to stadiums but stay in their arm chairs.
Honestly, honestly, the stadiums are all corporate tickets.
Man, they’re corporate deals are being made at the ringside and nobody’s watching the fight.
It’S it’s.
You know this salesman and then and this client going out whining dining sitting ringside, because it’s a cool thing to do they’re not doing for the sport.
This is like a free website and then you and then they shut, and then they shove these freaking boxing matches down their throat that they want us to pay all this money for when we don’t care about them.
That’S why we need a union too.
We need a union there, we go there, you go.
Okay, wait a sec, wait, a sec, your step, you’re.
Stepping on my Tiny Toes here.
Wait a sec Mike! Quite frankly, if you, if you’re taught, if you’re talking about ringside you’re talking about the guy, that you’re footing the bills, okay, at the end of the day, those are the guys you mean the guys with the hedge funds.
Those are the guys in North America – maybe maybe not in UK, but those are the guys in North America are paying ten thousand dollars to set ringside for whatever reason, and do we care no.
But if that’s how, if that’s, how boxers are getting paid these days, let them do it hey you know.
Abu Dhabi is looking pretty good man.
Those guys can charge a million dollars a ticket in those those oil money guys will pay it.
There’S a huge Market.
There’S a huge Market over there right now and look at them they’re, literally building new new boxing stadiums, they’re they’re, allowing women to fight on cards that you know never happened before they’re they’re literally trying to take boxing away.
I’M not I’m not arguing with you.
What I’m saying is, as a matter of fact, talk and fight.
Right now is negotiating with UAE to live stream.
Their boxing fights so believe me.
We are involved in that discussion.
Yes, we are yes, we are so so I’m not arguing with that whatsoever.
I I want to bring it back full circle and say I want to put money back into the boxer’s hands.
So how am I going to do that? Am I going to allow um? Am I going to prevent uh guys from paying ten thousand dollars to sit ringside, no, not at all if they want to sit in ringside with their honey and uh pay for a caviar and champagne go ahead, that’s up to them! Okay, Mike! You can’t complain about that.
That’S exactly! No! I’M not complaining, but I’m just saying that’s what that’s what it’s become, but that that’s not that’s what it is in North America, that’s what’s paying them! That’S what it is in North America, absolutely in in in in the UK, from what I’ve seen the fights over there and for what our reporters are reporting from UK.
It’S it’s! What we, when we go to a hockey game, for example, or when we go to a baseball game or when we go to a basketball game, the same thing you know you know.
At the end of the day, we see a a great game.
Okay, so bottom line – okay, so I’m just saying over here is a little bit of a bit of a tweak with respect to all the different variations of pricing and pricing is a little bit different over here in North America, because we do and Tim you’ll you’ll You’Ll appreciate this: you, you do see the tuxedos in the front rows, you do see them paying the big money and they may or may not want your autograph by the end of the day.
That’S what they’re there and they pay for that money.
Hey, I don’t say, I’m the only paid review in the future in the future, and I I think I think that’s what I think I think that’s.
What Mike was saying is that the migration of the fan is from ringside to pay-per-view yeah and so and so what Jake Paul now I know a lot of my viewers out.
There will disregard this, but Jake Paul, who has 20 million followers, only got 200, 000 pay-per-view uh advice, and I guarantee it that was 200 000 fans of Anderson Silva um and that that that’s a good point too Mike.
Quite frankly, like honestly, you got to think about that.
You have one of the greatest men in combative Sports history, just on the ring at almost 50 years old to fight some guy.
That has been calling himself a boxer for a better part of two years now.
You’Re, damn right, every fan of Anderson Silva that watched him come up through his career was, I guarantee, probably 75 to 80 percent of those pay-per-view buys.
I I really.
I really wish I really wish uh Carl uh from last mailbox saying was on this call right now, because uh I would like to do this.
He’S dropping he’s, dropping comments.
I I would love to discuss with him how the evolution of boxing is migrating from the UK and the US to the Middle East.
The Middle East is paying boxers what they’re worth yeah and a really great example, is uh Chantel Cameron and Jessica mccaskill, two female boxers who are going toe-to-toe this weekend, uh over at the UAE and Abu Dhabi.
You know we got people I was.
I was speaking to a couple of Arabian guys last night, yep, okay and the Arabian guys are saying to me.
Saudi Arabia doesn’t really like the two female girls going at it: okay right for, for their religious reasons, fair enough, but Abu Dhabi doesn’t mind at all and they’re gon na pay millions of dollars to get all female fights over there because they know that all female Fights is where it’s at yeah it sells, and you know what they’ll pay billions.
Listen if they’re willing to.
I don’t know billions if they’re willing, millions, millions, yes, billions, they’re willing to build land, they built land in the ocean.
They built their own they’re willing to dump whatever they need to into this boxing infrastructure, to get it off the ground um.
You know.
People have complained that you know um, like you know their their event, it’s kind of like an outdoor event right.
It’S it’s not a full Arena.
It’Ll be a matter of time before these guys just build one up.
You know it’s that’s right here here.
Here’S a comment.
Here’S a comment from Carl I wish he was in the in this group with us.
Chisora is an idiot.
Okay, chazura he’s gon na go third time around with Tyson Fury, he’s gon na get knocked out by Tyson Fury.
We all know it so why the heck is that fight happening? Okay in a nutshell, Tyson Fury needs a warm-up so yeah exactly so Carl.
Don’T don’t give me this UK is the best place to have boxing stuff when you’ve got third rate.
Boxers like Derek to Zora, going up against Tyson Fury.
Give me a freaking break.
No from my experience.
No y’all, I’m talking, I’m gon na talk about something a little bit different um from my experience.
Uh Tyson Fury might have uh lightened up on training and lighting up on some things, because he did say that he that he retired he’s a partier, yeah and the thing is, is he might not be in the shape that he was depending on.
You know if he training or doing something school but uh.
He said he retired, or he was playing around like that um, I don’t know if they deserving them can’t should try to capitalize him really try to win this fight.
If it’s a fight um that that me from experience um he’s the man he’s up the top, I know that he goes.
Maybe he does train and stay in good shape, but it’s a good chance that he’s maybe not be in the best of shape.
If there was a fight, that’s just my opinion and from experience and me and other guys they kind of relax.
Oh I’m the champ, I’m millions of dollars.
I might really take a break, and maybe this might be the right time for dessert, but I think Tyson knows to come through, but just think about that that could be a good.
You know he’s relaxing, oh, let’s get to Jordan might come in.
He might come in really tough this time, but I don’t know the chances of him winning.
Well, I’m I’m pretty sure Tyson.
Fury still has his number yeah yeah no, but they take an action line and do like that here is the first one to show up on social media after he wins a fight and partying like everybody else.
You know that he’s young he’s still young he’s young in age, but he’s getting old in boxing game, but he wants.
He enjoys himself.
He enjoys his money.
He enjoys his success.
He has fun, he deserves it.
He deserves it.
This.
This is gon na, be a warm-up fight, Fury.
I I don’t.
I don’t doubt that one I’ll tell you I’ll.
Tell you this, though one of the sidebar comments from Carl brings up Auntie Joshua, Auntie Joshua.
Quite frankly, I got ta say he’s in he’s in rehab.
He he’s he’s seeking psychiatric help right now.
He is okay, yes, he’s mentally, not there as a fighter right now like.
If you look at his two last performances, okay, again zusic they got ta reach out man.
These guys are crazy.
He literally does something like about two hours ago.
He looks nothing like the man that Don and wore those belts.
He does not look like that man anywhere in that ring.
I’M sorry with these guys thinking about man.
You know I’m just thinking about this two hours ago.
Just I was thinking a little bit about Malik Scott.
I love him and he deserved to be there with uh with um Dante Wilder.
You know and the way the way they look and stuff.
I was a staff said: you know what man I still love them brothers, but you will see the difference if they just did what they doing they.
You know uh uh, um, Joshua wouldn’t have to go through all this.
You know we wouldn’t do this before it’s about to teach getting taught proper stuff and all that it’s just if you, if you think about it.
A couple of years ago, we we were talking about the Auntie, Joshua yusic fight, and I was the guy sitting here.
Going wow, I’m pretty sure, Auntie Joshua’s got this because he’s got the reach, he’s got the every every advantage and and music came out and clobbered him okay.
So I I was proved wrong.
They went to their second boat and I was proved wrong again.
So so, at the end of the day, Auntie Joshua is now the the problem here is he’s actually managed, slash promoted by Eddie, Hearn and match room and match room is sitting there going here.
Here’S what you need to say.
You need to say that you’re feeling a little distressed you’ve got a little bit of mental health issues.
You’Re gon na have to go back into the and that’s what’s happened right now.
All I’m saying quick, quick little Point here.
All I’m saying is: is the UK boxing scene is falling apart in the heavyweight Division and all I’ve got to say, as I’ve said before, the United States boxing program is promoting the heavy division like no other time in history.
I’M telling you by this time next year we’re going to see U.
S Champions on the top of the Heap.
I understand I understand what you’re saying and coming from yeah am I trying to get get like get a job and get some money yeah? I would love to, but we looks like you just got finished talking about that everybody have different opinions about this, and, and you know what my opinion is just simple and easy – get somebody to show these guys what to do and you’ll see the progress.
You’Ll see him Anthony Joshua, be a different person and all this stuff about the mental illness.
It’S embarrassing and all I have to do is learn skills.
I thought they wanted to Tyson.
Fury need to learn just a little bit too.
All of them been down on the canvas got hit down.
You know, I’m not a scientist.
I know enough, though I don’t know all these simple things.
So all me you all of us.
We talking about a certain thing and I’m a boxer.
I’M saying this is all they need.
I’M telling you that’s going to give them that’s going to encourage everything, the fight and and to win their fight, and everybody talking about all this other stuff coming from a boxer another one about it.
I’M, like everybody, and it’s good, to have conversations about what you just talked about and, and I’m saying all they need is this.
They don’t have to get me, get somebody that’s going to show them, so they can perform better than what they’re doing I mean.
I don’t even really need the performance, I’m not really impressed I’ll, be feeling bad.
I said wow this could have been avoided, especially with Dr Wilder.
Absolutely I agree.
100 Tim one I’ll tell you what 100 I’ll ask.
Would you agree with you and that is the Philly shell, you put out a you, you put out a uh, a YouTube video on the Philly shop and it got something like 10 000 views.
Why? Because it works.
You know at the end of the day, there’s a story.
You have to be me just as long as they get some money.
That’S what I’m saying so at the end, at the end of the day when these American fighters learn from guys, like you, Tim uh, they’re gon na beat these fighters from the UK, which are being built up by Eddie, Hearn or Frank Warren.
Whoever should be available for everybody, okay, by name only by name.
Only I’m telling you when, when, when the names of the the North American fighters go up against the names of the UK Fighters, you’re gon na see a greater number of U.
S Fighters winning those battles, and this is what I’m saying, I’m saying it to Carl.
I wish Carl was on the call right now because I’d love to go head to head with him because, because, quite frankly, the the number of U.
S Fighters right now in terms of up and coming Fighters uh far outnumbers.
Those numbers.
Why? Because the UK Fighters right now are coming from all different parts of Europe: they’re, not they’re, not you’re they’re, not UK Fighters.
That’S that’s like saying.
Lennox Lewis is British.
So anyway, you know, you know, you know, you know, I’m teasing you curl, but I’m just telling you yeah, okay, before before we get out of here, because we’ve been talking about this forever.
We got to talk about the fights that are happening we have to.
We have to yeah go ahead, go ahead quickly.
Let’S, let’s talk about them guys! You know what it is: man, Vivo Ramirez, this one’s underweight, 1, 30 p.
m.
Eastern time, uh card is live on.
The Zone.
Biva will defend his WBA light heavyweight world title against mandatory Challenger zerdo Ramirez yeah, it’s gon na be a good fight.
This is gon na, be a good one.
Who’S 20-0, with 11 Knockouts, is coming off that huge upset win over Mexican pound for pound Superstar Alvarez.
At the T-Mobile Arena Las Vegas in May we all watched that one uh, the 31 year old handed Alvarez only the second loss of his career.
Nine years on, from his first at the hands of modern, great Floyd, Mayweather uh, we got Ramirez who’s 44-0 with 30 Knockouts is the former WBO super middle world champion who has won all five of his fights at light heavyweight inside the distance in impressive fashion, since Moving up in weight in 2019, the heavy-handed Mexican southbound emerged as a mandatory Challenger to Long reigning Champion Bibble after a fourth round knockout of Dominic bocell in their May 14th title Eliminator in Ontario California, guys this card has got lots to offer.
We’Ve got: we’ve had an ibf World Super feather titled up for grabs, we got Barrett taking on wreck him off, and then we got mccaskill taking on Cameron, and that is for all.
The straps and super light in the female division is on the card.
Looking to prove his record to 3-0 and he will be fighting for the WBC International fly against Gohan Garcia, who is 12-1-1 uh, also Callahan, yafi 26-1, taking on Gerald uh pack clear, and we got Campbell Hatton looking to improve to 9-0, with Dennis Bartos Campbell Hatton Son of Ricky Patton, if you guys know I did profile him, a lot of people are saying with uh.
You know these controversy wins that it’s only a matter of time before he gets shown up so guys tune in for this one.
We got a bunch of undefeateds on here uh, it’s definitely gon na be a great card.
If you can’t make sure you record it, this one is getting underway early guys, like I said, 1 30 PM Eastern Standard Time.
You don’t want to miss it.
It’S going to be a good one main event ring walks.
5 p.
m.
Eastern, so make sure you watch this one.
Definitely one for the books can’t wait to see it quick little quick little Point yeah for all of our for all of our listeners.
Watchers out there uh.
This is the first time uh there’s a female fight in Abu Dhabi, uh between Chantal Cameron and just mccaskill.
So it’s it’s a it’s once again, a British versus uh us fight and uh.
I mean, from my perspective, flip of the coin uh.
I I like both Fighters, I mean both Fighters have purely speaking.
It is going to be a war between those yeah.
It is going to be it’s going to be a war.
It’S going to be exciting, it’s going to probably go the distance, I’d like to say and uh.
I honestly, I think I think we’re going to see two Warriors get in that ring and battle each other for those straps and uh.
You know if the better, the better female will win and come through with that Victory, and you know what uh I I don’t know if you guys are familiar with these boys or not, but uh uh, yeah fight the yeah five brothers uh are really great boxers.
Both of them are really great boxers.
I believe they both come from the team GB um system uh, I believe, they’re, both Olympic Champions um, but nonetheless uh they’re, pro boxing careers speak for themselves.
So this is going to be a great fight and, to my point earlier that the fight is being held in in Middle East speaks to how much money these guys are getting paid and money deserved by the way uh.
We we talked about money being paid to professional boxes before, but now these guys are being flown into Abu Dhabi.
These guys are getting paid a lot of money in a good way.
I’M not saying anything negative, they deserve their money, they deserve to fight on the world stage and and and the and the names that are on, like Ricky Ricky Hatton, for example his son, okay, what happens on that card right? So you know we got.
We got another one of these.
We got another one of these Dynasty names and a kid trying to live up to his father’s shoes.
You know what I mean: try to fill his father’s shoes, so he’s got a lot to prove, and especially with uh with coming off those uh.
You know those couple of wins that people believe he didn’t win, so it’s gon na make for a great event.
Great event and Carl makes a great Point here.
I got, I have to admit Eddie Hearn put money ahead of if you will uh the respect of the English boxer fan, because, quite frankly, how many English boxing fans wanted to fill Wembley to see this fight? Oh, it would have been, it would have been sold out, but instead he went for the money, put the money in the boxer’s hands and said: hey, let’s help, let’s hold this fight in Abu Dhabi yeah, so so there’s two ways looking at it, Carl one: it’s Either a great well, it is a great fight.
Okay, I’m not arguing that, but the money is going and on behalf of Eddie Hearn who’s made a ton of money.
Oh yeah himself, okay, but uh Carl wants to know if it hurt when you said that when you have to give him that compliment to her you’re right you’re right as everyone knows, I do not like Eddie Hearn.
As everyone knows, I don’t like it here, uh, but but anyway, so so I’ll give him credit for putting money in the boxer’s hands uh.
But having said that, as Tim knows back in the old days, even though a guy’s like Tim, were making money, they weren’t making as much money as the but we’re near.
No, I wasn’t in about 10 of them and um a lot of the the boxers over the weekend.
Go ahead and finish.
Go ahead, you’re just gon na say no, no go on.
I I was.
I was gon na ask Tim about the money he was being paid versus the money that promoters were being paid, but who’s being paid back in your day.
Back in your day, um other boxers were getting paid more than us because we was with Don King.
Of course so um, you know there was other Fighters too wasn’t getting the big paydays uh with their promoters, but and then there were some promoters that were paying them real good, but we were we were.
We were the fighters that were around me um, the majority of them wasn’t getting paid properly, but very few uh, the ones that had their own managers was getting proper money, but the ones that was with Don uh Carl King uh.
They they didn’t they, they wasn’t getting treated right.
So um, you know if you didn’t have Car King as a manager or done or you had Duncan as somebody else as a promoter.
Another promoter like negotiate with Don.
You get a good deal, but if you know we was all we’re done, we had to go with them him in uh, so um we didn’t see.
No, I didn’t see no big money like, like, I said the Bruno fight.
I went home with ninety thousand and Bruno went home with a million four right yeah.
So you told us that before 10 minutes, it’s really a shame quite frankly, but but but I think uh fellas, like yourself, should be in position nowadays to be able to jump onto the management teams of uh.
These prospects, who need advice from guys like you, um and and that’s what that’s, what I think we can bring to the table and it’s all my experience, but they needed attorney to really to really put them put it in their head.
But we could talk about what I mean to cut you off, you know no, no, this would happen man and then they had to deal with the manager.
Then, when it’s time to deal with the promoter they kind of, like you know, try to get the best deal they can.
If you understand you know, I understand completely and that’s exactly how we started off this conversation before you jumped on uh.
We were talking about Terence Crawford and Errol Spence, and you know quite frankly, uh 50 million dollars being offered up by two hedge funds is an awful lot of money right so yeah so, but that that was turned down by Al Haymon so anyway.
So I I you know, so that’s what I’m saying so 25 a piece: 25 million a piece turned down by Al Haymon, so he wasn’t getting.
He wasn’t getting uh the uh his what he thought he was worth exactly.
Okay, he didn’t get his piece.
He didn’t get his piece 25 more.
If it was 25 more, he would have said yeah.
We got one more fight to touch on before uh before we get out of here.
Go ahead Mike go ahead Mike we got the Morel, Junior and you’re a busty newly come on.
Where is he from everybody ready for this one? Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan he’s the great fighter.
Man he’s a great fighter where’s he from with a name like that: Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan.
Oh Kazakhstan, okay uh, this one guys unbeaten WBA, super middleweight champion and Minneapolis fan.
Favorite David Morrell Jr will return to action against undefeated, mandatory Challenger you’re busy newly in a 12 round duel that headlines live on Showtime Saturday, guys uh starting at 9; 00 p.
m.
Eastern uh the show kicks off and features Rising Cuban sensation, yo Elvis Gomez, watch out for this kid uh facing former unified Champion Rosario in a 10-round middleweight attraction in the co-main event, plus unbeaten middleweight uh, sir zakistan uh battles, his hard-hitting Nathaniel Gallimore and a 10 Round telecast opener this one.
I can’t wait guys um, like you know, you’re about to newly you’re 16-0 11 Kos you’re in the shot at Morel after delivering a statement, knockout of Lennox Allen in the 10th round of their September 2021 Showdown uh, a native of Kazakhstan, who now fights out of Las Vegas uh first term Pro in 2015, with Knockouts in seven of his first eight outings, including two Stateside triumphs uh.
He returns to fight in the U.
S for the third time on November 5th, having won his last two fights by knockout, including stoppage over previously unbeaten Isaiah Samir in December of 2020.
Gomez.
Guys can’t wait for this one.
I haven’t seen this kid in a while uh Gomez, 1605 Knockouts made a big statement in his U.
S debut on Christmas Day, 2021 blastly note the typically durable clay colored in the first round of their Showdown born Havana, Cuba and now fighting out of Las Vegas.
This Southpaw showing power in both hands and Relentless finishing skills immediately, making him a rising content tender in the talent, uh super welterweight, the villain division.
He most recently stepped up his competition again.
Uh cruising to a shutout unanimous decision against hard-hitting, veteran uh, Jorge Cota.
In May guys, remember this one and he’s taking on Rosario, who is 23 3-1 with 17 Knockouts, will look to move himself into title contention at middleweight after scoring Knockouts in three straight fights during back to back November 24 2021 uh 27 year olds.
Current streak comes after a pair of defeats versus undefeated 154 pound champion General Charlo and top Contender.
Erickson Lubin born in the Dominican Republic and fighting out of Miami Rosario captured the wva and ibf 154 pound belt by stopping just uh Julian Williams, in one of 2020’s biggest upsets before losing the titles against Charlotte.
So this is a big one and I know that we got the 26 year old, sir.
I don’t even know how to pronounce this one so hard, [ Laughter, ] made a successful State Side debut in August, stopping Gilbert uh venges junior in the fourth round of the matchup.
That’S streamed, live on the Showtime sports YouTube channel.
Originally from UK Ukraine and a citizen of Warsaw, Poland uh.
He turned Pro in 2015 and owns three 10 round unanimous decisions of his record hardly losing around throughout the contest.
Uh yellowmore 22 5-1 17 Knockouts made his name for himself challenging the best fighters at 154 pound using his power and skills to present stiff competition.
But this 34 year old owns a stoppage victory over former unified Champion uh Jennison Rosario, who has also faced former unified Champion uh Julian Williams, former Champion Patrick tixera, and top Contender Sebastian Fedora and Erickson Lubin uh born in Kingston, Jamaica Gallimore has fought out of Chicago.
As a pro and most recently bested the previously unbeaten Leon, Lawson III at the armory in June of 2021.
, so guys some nice action to go on after an all afternoon, fight in Abu Dhabi.
We get to do this so guys we got a whole great Saturday.
Unboxing coming your way, um, you know, there’s going to be a lot of young and up-and-comers on this one as well.
Uh Johannes tell us uh Maximus Garland they’re, looking to improve to 3-0 uh.
You know there’s a lot of young kids on here.
So guys just be on, you know, be on your best behavior and make sure you watch and give these young guys a chance man, because they are the future of boxing and they are here now.
That’S it man.
Absolutely a bond bond is something we said.
England yeah, I wish he had letters, no he’s probably effort Mike he’s, probably American.
The way he loves you, man, Hey, listen, he always speaks French to Cedric yeah.
He does he does he does he does thanks for coming out much love and respect.
We love all the comments thanks for tuning in this week, [ Music ], quick, quick little shout out to Holly Donovan.
She does a great report out of the UK, definitely shout out to Holly if you haven’t yet she did a great report uh today previewing the big fight between uh Bill and zero.
Tomorrow, um, I I can’t say enough about Holly she’s, doing a great job for us.
I wish we had more UK commentators, Carl.
Ah you heard that right.
You heard that Carl we need to.
We we’ve we’ve surpassed a million and I’m not kidding a million and now viewers in our show.
So so you know Carl, if you want to come on board and be heard, let us know bonky key uh.
He wrote my my point is my point: is that with love and respect? Absolutely I love Carl.
I really do I like the I like.
I, like the English Spirit uh.
I was born in England uh.
You know at the end of the day, though, uh there’s a lot of Fighters coming out of North America that are being ignored by the English press and uh and as our job uh, to promote those guys and and Mike you’ve been doing a great job.
A knuckle up, uh Tim you’re in Philadelphia, the hometown of the Rocky Run.
Those stairs baby, make some pasta, I’m getting ready to make some pasta.
You know what I’m not kidding in 19.
I think it was 1975 or 1976.
.
We we actually took a trip, a trip, a high school trip to go, see the first original Rocky movie, 1976 yeah.
It was around that it was around that time.
Okay, I graduated high school in 76.
.
Wow.
There you go.
I wasn’t even a twinkle in my dad’s eye.
I was on 81.
, I wasn’t even born yet man.
I was born in 81.
wow.
I I I was a rough and tumble teenager.
We we we we were.
We were taken in a bus uh to go downtown into Toronto, to see the Rocky movie I’m not kidding, and it was that much of a cultural event and um yeah.
That’S what I’m saying I’m saying we’re really happy to have Tim on board he’s from Philadelphia and and every single every single day, every single day, um every single day on my news report, I’ve got news every single day from uh from reports and promoters in the Philadelphia area, including Sonny Canto, I’m looking forward to seeing how that guy progresses.
Quite frankly, I believe he’s still undefeated.
Yes, yes, I I yeah, he is he’s still undefeated wow yeah I’ve been talking to him.
I was with him.
I was with Sonny Canto um about two weeks ago and then about two weeks before that um he’s a strong Italian kid um Bronco, they call him the Broncos he’s strong, but down the line.
Would I like he’s, got good management behind him.
Man he’s managed by David McWater and uh.
You know he seems to do a lot of a lot of good things for his Fighters.
You know split Team Management yeah.
I was getting ready to save, though his skills he powered you.
He he’s strong.
I think down the line, I think down the line and real quick.
If there’s somebody that’s intelligent and got a little bit of shrimp like that, boxer you what’s the black guy name, the thing with the Jared Anderson, I’m saying: Sony’s gon na have to work his way up to the DNA, but Sunny is strong and he got plenty Sonny’S moving up those rankings Sunny is moving up the rankings quickly.
Don’T don’t feel yourself like right now, he’s ranked 28th out of all the heavyweights in the United States, so really yeah he’s he’s slowly.
Moving up there, man he’s uh, he’s he’s slowly creeping on Eric, Molina and uh.
You know Adam Stewart and Stephen Torres and he’s slowly coming up the back end here, but worldwide he’s, you know, he’s still sitting around 100, but he’s only got 11 fights in nine Kos he’s uh he’s sitting at 102.
You know he’s only 26 years old yeah, but but he’s 6’4 yeah six four.
Seventy seven inch reach he weighs in around 225 230 pounds uh, you know he’s got nice muscles too.
Yeah he’s a big boy he’s a big boy.
Definitely uh definitely definitely want to be watching.
I’Ve got my eyes on him.
I’Ve been following him for a while too yeah man, yeah Philly, South Philly, yeah, yeah, South Philly for sure man, South Philly, for sure you should go at one of um Joe hands fights Joe hand.
Yes, exactly yeah yeah Johannes, has put on a lot of good promotions seriously aspects whatever device.
I just return the favor.
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