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EPISODE: Episode 1
Our group of panelists, including champ Tim Witherspoon and author Lou Eisen, provide another weekly roundup of boxing headlines and an array of updates about upcoming bouts and boxers – and share current events and news with the many fans across the world that enjoy the great sport of Boxing!
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Oh yeah, I’m here hello there, boxing fans around the world.
Thank you for joining us once again here on talk and fight for another episode of Friday night panel featuring boxing Legend Tim Witherspoon, two-time, heavyweight champion in the world.
Boxing historian and author Lou Eisen kneel the deal and myself grumpy, Graham and we’re ready to rock we’re going to start off.
With a few comments, I think from Tim, if you can mail the deal and grams and Crump okay, good yeah.
If these, if these boxers can have nicknames, I think we can too uh yeah.
I like that.
Okay go ahead.
We got a big fight coming up tomorrow night.
The main card is uh, Spencer Crawford, and you said you had a few comments to start off.
The show so hey all the people, that’s watching um I’ve been running around trying to get to stay in shape and stay healthy.
You know stuff like that, so you know, and I was supposed to be on the show a couple of times too um and I think I missed them.
So I said, let me hurry up.
I got the grandkids over so um.
I was watching real quick.
I was watching uh dispense, I watched spins and then I watched Crawford and – and I said well that’s easy for me to make a decision on who I think this that could win and it’s the one that that takes his defense down.
Crawford is stronger and to me it’s a little bit more aggressive, but they neither one of them, really have a good defense check it out.
I was watching I said.
Look I ain’t gon na make no statements unless I really digging I’m good at defense.
They quick with their hands and that’ll, lead you to believe that they or or like you, you can’t tell if they have defunders or not, because they’re busy is really beautiful with their offense and they get the guys out of there and you they don’t.
Never get pressure enough to for people to say, wait, hey he got hit with that shot, so both of them good, offensive, offensively Crawford is much A Little Bit Stronger and he to me, I think, he’s more confident than Spence, but Spence is confident, but I think Crawford – and he has everybody against – but to me – he’s gon na boil down to who don’t put that hand in the right place and get hit with a shot everybody’s saying this.
This isn’t going to win.
I think that’s going to win uh coming from experience either.
One, even though Crawford’s strong is Spence Ketchum that he could really make a big difference in it because to me neither one of them have a good defense.
You can’t tell because they throwing punches all the time and knocking guys out.
Yeah take my assessment.
I disagree.
I just want to find out before in case Tim has to leave quick.
So no, no, no! Okay! Who are you picking? That’S what I want to know, whoever get hit, whoever gets hit first and make that mistake, because because, oh that’s what I should have said at the end, that’s that’s that’s what I should have said at the end um.
You know.
I know the boxing.
I’M really good at defense.
I know that there’s a lot of trainers that can’t teach defense.
They say your best defense is the offense because they don’t know how to teach defense.
Now.
You said you disagree with me and you have every right to, but I actually was in the ring and I have one of the best old-time trainers.
There was I’m not better than nobody, but from this little bit experience that I have I’m just on this statement.
Now, if you had a trainer or people with good boxers around you, I respect that fact, but I’m just saying to you and you can disagree and it’s and we’re still family, but the bottom line with everything you said.
I I just just with one point.
I just think they’re a bit better defensively than they’re giving credit for, but I understand what you’re saying: I’m not disagreeing with what you said.
What I’m saying is Crawford and everyone can you tell me, can you tell me I need to cut you off.
Can you tell me um the defensive, you know some of the deepest of things.
If you know defense tell me what you think that that you know yeah, I think I agree with you.
Crawford often gets hit with shots a guy like that at that level shouldn’t get hit with, but I also think no, no he’s a boxer he’s a boxer and you got to get.
But the thing is the Lesser chances getting hit.
If you know a little bit more defense go ahead.
Yeah I picked Crawford.
I guess what I’m saying is: give us a name.
I pick I picked Bud Crawford by decision.
I don’t think either fight is going to go out.
I think both take a good shot.
I don’t think I think Crawford is magnificent and I I don’t think he’s respected other than um uh uh uh Showtime uh Sean um.
I can’t remember his name Porter.
I think people like Crawford more yeah defense is a gentleman Spencer’s a gentleman, but I think people like Jennifer he’s not I’ve promoted Spence when he fought in Toronto.
He was a gentleman then, but I’ve seen him since cursing in the ring quite a bit at different people.
Okay, he needs Direction, he needs, he needs Direction, that’s all and he was on a card with the Canadian fighter from uh from uh Halifax Canadian Fighters.
Oh dizzy, how old is he how old 30s 30, okay 33 and Robert 35.
, so yes, you’re, correct and Spence was watching a fight between Canada’s Coastal Clayton and Boots Ennis and it’s not Clayton out in two rounds and after the fight Spence said, uh Clayton shouldn’t Be paid he’s a bomb he’s a nothing he came just to for the payday.
He took the easy way out and that’s not true.
He got caught with a good shot.
There’S no reason to disrespect a fellow fighter like that, and he did that.
That’S an experience, though, let me say this to you real, quick, that’s an experience and the wrong and not the right people around him.
People around me was telling me to be respectable respect.
You know to respect certain people’s what they speak and tell me to be a gentleman.
He must don’t have somebody around him saying.
Look, let’s keep it this way.
Don’T you know what I’m saying don’t say things like that.
I would never let of my boxes say anything like that, but that’s his responsibility the same with Adrian Broner.
I have no respect: okay, okay, okay, rude in the ring that goes back hundreds of years, because he beats up his ex-wife rather than give her alimony, and so the fact that he goes on the air and says to the the reporters or to the other Fighters Or whatever and garbage – and I’m going to do this to your wife – that’s not necessary boxing can’t afford to lose more fans.
Spence.
When I know it’s very quiet, very nice guy phenomenally skilled, they both have great chins.
I don’t think either is going to be knocked out.
I think it’s going to go to a decision.
I just hope it’s not ruined by the judges.
I I just think that that expense is better defensively in Souls Crawford.
I just don’t think Crawford respects other than the showtime Sean Porter.
I don’t think he’s respected anyone else.
He’S really fought because he hasn’t really he’s his skill level is so Supreme.
So this this is uh the the pre I’ll stop talking about the premier match up.
In the sport, no, it’s okay, yeah, it’s a great matchup and I just hope the judges don’t ruin it.
Yeah me too, over to you Neil.
What do you think? Well guys thanks a lot for having me out tonight, talkingfight.
com with the big man, Mr Tim and obviously the uh, the Schwab over there we go, I’m telling you.
I got something up my sleeve.
I don’t have any sleeves today, but I got it up and he said anyway the the what I’m thinking guys exactly what you’re saying I.
I really agree with you.
The thing that that makes the difference for me in that fight is, if you look at the past, fights like the mecca fights Tim.
You know the the like.
I talked about it on my show, the uh, the Hearns Leonard right, the uh Mayweather Pacquiao Pac-Man, fights like these are big monster, fights they come around what every 10 years, eight years, seven five years, whatever it may be, Lou you know what I mean.
This is a big one and it’s going to determine who is Gon na, Come Out Victorious and they’re both to me they’re, very close, I’m being honest, Tim you’ve convinced me they are the defense yeah.
They are watching.
That’S what makes them close real, quick, real, quick.
You can go ahead and speak.
That’S what makes them close to defense now.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I’m just saying that go ahead! I didn’t.
I didn’t really notice as much until you mentioned about the defense thing about four five six seven weeks ago on the show here and I’ve been watching that extensively with all the fights going forward and Tim you’re absolutely right.
These guys are not utilizing their defense they’re, hoping that they’re offense it’s kind of like the Toronto Maple Leafs, hey, Graham.
They hope the offense is going to take him to the top, but it ain’t happening so anyways Tim.
You were right, I’m looking at uh what I’m looking at you guys will probably laugh.
I I said it on my show earlier on Tim.
I thought a lot about it with uh, with Lou and Graham and myself and Mike and I see, but it could be a draw big money.
The draw is paying big money and that only sets up fight two.
Is that not true guys or what? Yes, to an extent, however, if one guy, this relates to the new way Stephen Fulton fight after a new way beat him up for seven rounds and knocked him out in the eighth round.
Fulton two days later said: well, I it wasn’t the best version of me and I deserve I want.
I hope he gives me a rematch and I can just hear Angelo Dundee in my ears saying why do you get a rematch? Knockouts are definitive.
It wasn’t a split decision, it wasn’t a controversial decision.
You were knocked out cold.
Therefore, there’s no rematch, you did nothing in the rematch.
You you did your best.
You lost that’s the way the sports always work, but people have been saying on the internet.
You have to take up the grain of salt, it’ll, be a draw uh or a split decision, and it’s already been fixed.
I don’t think it’s fixed.
I just think there’s any incompetent judges in boxing.
If it’s a close fight and it’s a decision, you split, then you get a rematch.
If it’s a disputed decision and it’s unanimous, you could possibly have a rematch, but you know I just as I was saying to Tim.
I just hope the judges don’t wreck this.
The best judge in boxing is Steve: weisfeld he’s he’s the gold standard, so I hope they get judges and not Tim cheatum or other guys who are in their 80s, and you know where is where is Steve out of uh Louisiana Las Vegas guy uh.
He works in Vegas, but he’s from New Jersey.
He came up to Toronto, to train Canadian judges and I was at a session where he was training them and the look of increduly how stunned he was.
When a Canadian judge said.
Oh, I don’t care about the guidelines I can give a guy around, even if he doesn’t land a punch.
Just by looking good and Steve said.
That’S not what the rules state.
You get points for Effective aggressiveness.
If you avoid, you know, if you get only hit eight times, but don’t land a punch, you lose the round and the guy said.
Well, I don’t consider myself with that and Steve said, but those are the rules of the sport.
Just quick like they’re they’re, both Tamara am I they’re, both aggressive Fighters.
Sorry, each other.
No, it’s okay, you’re talking about Spencer and Crawford or in a way Crawford is a little bit more aggressive uh than Spanish, like the Box a little bit more than he than he does, and he could put together his combinations.
But what I’m really concerned about is getting hit with the counters, that’s all and if they counting real good um somebody’s gon na get hit with a counter.
Now I think somebody might go down stay in good shape, they’re in good shape and they don’t have the best defense.
They have good offense and you will forget about the defense, hey man, he don’t need no difference.
He got a good offense.
He’Ll knock him right out, hey suppose you drop that hand and get hit with a left hook or drop that right hand and get you know, get hit with that that one little shot.
That’S all it takes and that’s a crucial I’m about defense.
That’S it huh! Yeah, all those guys in the lightweight division, like Tim, was saying, there’s like so many of them now and they’re all talking about it too.
If you guys, Graham, will know, online javonta Davis has talked about the fight his his uh opinion of, what’s going on going down, uh Ryan, Garcia, uh.
Taking about this fight, you know what I’m saying so the way I look at it as it’s 50 50.
, like one guy, says this.
The other guy says that, like guys that are in the division so right, but you got ta remember you got to remember something in the old days he used to say, find out who Joe Lewis is betting on and then bet the other guy for picking the Wrong guy Crawford is a little bit more more um, more like confident to me just a little bit more.
That’S all and also crossword – that could be cocky too, or maybe a little arrogant, but I don’t want to be over.
You don’t want to be over cocky.
One reason I picked Crawford: this is a guy that was shot in the head and drove himself to the hospital.
This is a genuinely tough guy and I and I’ve seen him get hit some good shots and he didn’t blink.
His legs didn’t Buckle, his head, didn’t move and when, when uh Spence tagged him some shots and buckled them so he broke his orbital bone Lou.
He broke him up.
Yes, he did, but before that ugus landed a couple of good shots, so yeah he destroyed.
Ugas know that about that.
Thank you thank you, but, but I I still I I picked Crawford, but Spence has the reach and he’s got the box there too excellent, great and he’s the natural 147 Lou right he’s always fought that Crawford’s come up and wait, but sort of Pacquiao so did Jimmy McLaren and we’ll tell you how it works.
Tim will tell him.
No, no I’m just saying it’s going to boil down to who get hit watch.
Do you want to talk about Pitbull, Cruz or the needle down there, because they’re also fighting they’re fighting each other? No, I love each other, there’s a little bantamweight WBZ bantamweight championship in the world.
No nino, Donaire, Anita yeah.
The bandwid titles will be he’s fighting Santiago, not not yeah.
I like Pitbull Cruz.
He comes to fight.
He gives you your money’s worth he’s in every round makes no excuses.
He’S always coming forward trying to make the fight.
He gave javonta Davis a good fight.
He didn’t win the other thing.
Oh him, oh, that, oh, that is a tough dude.
That is a tough okay.
I know who you was talking about at first.
Okay, save that it’s a good card.
Yes, they call him Pitbull yeah Isaac, that’s exactly what he is too.
I like the way he I like the way he uh pressured uh uh, uh Davis, I like to win Davis, respected him for respected him.
He was coming at him.
He was coming up.
He changes his angles with his punches.
He probably do a lot better with uh uh Davis, because he’s the softball one thing I wanted to touch on was after a new way knocked out.
Fulton was nervous.
He was nervous from the very beginning.
That’S why I know him from Philly go ahead.
He was nervous three, you know three belts and every Fighter’s nervous yeah, I sort of fight, I sort of fight and him and his Corner they were nervous.
Dad can can determine uh a little bit of that in the beginning of that fight.
I saw him nervous when he walked in the ring.
I’M a boxer.
Now I got nervous too, and even the corner was nervous in the beginning.
They fight one of the toughest guys in that weight class in in this.
During this era and and um I think, listen, would you say I think, he’s the best fighter on the planet right now.
Has anyone ever fought? It depends, it depends, it depends, it depends.
There’S one thing I wanted to say about a new way in a way in a way, in a way home alone, right people were saying: uh well he’s gon na he could fight lomachenko or you should move up and fight Davis.
That’Ll never happen going to 122.
Is a stretch for his body the highest he could go to, I would say, is 125.
, but when you’re looking at Loma could come down to 125 because he makes 135 easy but or 130.
, but Davis is not coming down from 140 or up, and you can’t Expect uh in a way or a new way, to put on 18 pounds to take on 10 Davis.
That’S ridiculous! It’S a fight we all like to see, but it just won’t happen.
The weights are just too far apart.
You know guys like Manny Pacquiao or Jimmy McLaren, who went from fly to Welter.
Those are very rare in in the sport, but even though Fulton was nervous and he’s a great fighter and he just beat Brandon Figueroa uh and he did better than any other fight.
It’S ever done against him, except Donaire in the third fight he still got beat by a better fighter and they they slowed it down.
They showed how he was dabbing to the body continuously to bring his hands down and then came over top with the right hand.
I mean I don’t think the outcome would be different in another fight, Fulton’s a great fighter, but he’s not a new way.
If this was an eight belt era like in the 60s Fulton wouldn’t be a world champion, he’d be a great Contender.
A new in a way is the World Champ.
That’S just the way.
It is whether people like it or not.
No, it’s the confidence that you have in your corner, um.
When I went to England to play Bruno, I was fully confident because I knew I had one of the best trainers during that time.
If you couldn’t tell me, I wasn’t knocking Frank out, I got I’m just saying I when I went in there, I wasn’t scared of anything.
I was fully confident we you watched the video I walked into the ring I walked in the ring.
I wasn’t scared and I was ready to fight for our country and the neighborhood that that I would uh that was born and raised.
You know I was representing that’s he he he, he didn’t have the confidence when he came in there.
He didn’t have the confidence you could look on his face when he walked in and everything that makes a big deal before the fight you got to get ready.
You got to get ready now.
You said you said that once you got in um anyway did this and that you got to be ready before you leave that dressing room.
You got a problem, I would think no well did you look at his face and tell I’m a boxer.
I looked at all of them when it was coming out and they were nervous.
They were nervous and that that’s a big thing.
They were nervous and when you can look when anyway came out, you look at him.
You look at the difference.
Came out, Fulton came out, you could tell.
I was in his presence before and Philly in the gym.
You could tell he was nervous.
Oh it’s his job, it’s his job! I’M telling you from experience in my heart, I’m telling you from experience in my heart.
If I didn’t come out there with Larry Holmes and act like I was ready to knock his ass out, excuse my language or beat him wait a minute wait a minute then that you know I had to be walking down.
Walking to that ring.
You got to see it in me.
I didn’t see it.
I believe you you’re trying to tell me you weren’t scared of the Eastern assassin for real hell.
No, I had my team.
That’S why I love Larry.
I believe you, okay yeah, go ahead, but I believe you but custom models.
I understand custom model and the respect that he gets from everybody but um.
I have experience also I respect customado, but I have why you can’t believe the way I understand customer.
I respect what he said, but I’m just telling you from my experience.
I have I’m telling you from my experience.
That’S all Custom.
Auto said every fighter experience is fears, whoever controls the best wins you’re.
Just not answering my question.
You’Re just gon na answer my question.
He was nervous right.
You can’t take that you can’t take credit from NOAA because um okay, that’s the way it is.
I didn’t say yeah because you know what yeah online online everyone I know from Philadelphia and like good friends with Russell Peltz.
Everyone Bam Bam, Heinz everyone.
They all say the same thing.
Uh it wasn’t right.
It was, you know, don’t say you know he’s into he’s that great it wasn’t a great night.
They just want to admit that a better guy beat the other guy.
No, a better guy did beat him a better guy did beat him so so um Fulton Fulton wasn’t listening.
Maybe he should have now said this was the time hey Jimmy wasn’t loose and floppy.
You know what I mean loose and floppy even on the bottom line.
Is this was his day this was his day to shine and he and he didn’t come to the table so so um yeah there’s a reason.
There’S a reason.
Why what’d you say: Fulton’s, not a knockout puncher, he’s more of a defensive master and a great counter.
Puncture, but I knew he doesn’t, I’m not going to say I’m good at Deep defense and he still had to learn some defense too, but he was okay getting out the way.
But I’m telling you these dudes, don’t have the good defense um, there’s a little defense National Defense, where you can move out of the way like Floyd Mayweather.
But when you get tired he wouldn’t have to learn how to settle down and get that punch.
You know, instead of losing your speed like that, it’s it’s too it’s kind of like a couple different defense.
When you get tired and the shots come, you got to be able to go boom, not like, like Mayweather, where they just move and get out the way.
Your teacher gon na have to show you and slip that punch.
You know right, but it’s good as good as Mayweather was.
I think James Tony was even better at in the ring at that James Tony talk to him about it.
I talked to James about his role because sometimes he just go, keep going to the right.
He keep going to the right and I asked him.
I said how come you didn’t go to this side.
He said I did it every time I seen um James wait.
He would just keep going to the left, but no he’ll come to the right and throw that right hand come to the right, and I told him well you on this side.
How come you can’t go to that side and throw the left hook? He said he does it sometimes, but you it went into the y’all.
Don’T want me on anymore when, when you see me yeah, we can see you oh yeah, yeah.
Oh, I can’t see you guys.
Well, I can’t see you blessings man.
No I’m still here, we was here for five minutes.
We’Re here, yeah we’re here.
We just your face is frozen on the screen.
Oh God, let me try to get back.
You can sing is Frozen, uh, just reboot or refresh okay, so Tim when, when James Tony beat Michael Nunn, Ed yeah, uh, Angelo’s and Michael’s nons corner, and he keeps saying to him he’s trying to sucker you into a left hook.
So don’t take a step back when he moves forward, expand your ground and none didn’t do it and finally, Tony caught him with the left hook right knocked him out and when the fight ended, he looked at Angela and said it was the left hook.
He said: that’s what I’ve been telling you for 10 Rounds.
Don’T take your foot back, stand your ground, take it away from them.
Any I mean Fighters.
Make mistakes.
Madonna was a great fighter, but you know with and Fulton’s a great fire he’s just not a knockout, puncher and styles.
Make fights, and you know the Spence Crawford fight could be a board.
It could be the same guy in the ring against each other and they might both be trying to faint each other for 12 rounds of something happening.
Who knows yeah um, I’m just trying to come on.
I think it’s getting ready to pop on he um.
It’S just that you know better is better.
Thank you.
When you fought uh, Frank Bruno, you heard him within the first couple punches.
You landed back up my picture and then come up all right God.
I can see you guys.
I can see you.
Okay, can I just jump on to another conversation quickly, sir uh Connor Ben? It’S been about a year since he was suspended uh by the anti-doping agency in the UK and uh just I think it was to either today or yesterday.
He got reinstated, and this really confuses me and and Lou.
I think you’ll appreciate it um.
I have to wonder you know for someone who’s caught taking clomipazine, which is uh a medicine used to enhance uh women enable them to get pregnant.
Quite frankly, if you’re getting caught with that and then you say well, I took too many eggs that day I was, I was eating too many eggs.
Now a year goes by and all of a sudden, the The anti-doping Authority says uh.
We were wrong.
You know the test must have been uh anyway.
I I just think it took about a year for Eddie Hearn to figure out what it would take uh to get Connor band back in the ring.
I agree.
I agree: Eddie Hearns, no less a criminal than the other people that run the sport and I have no doubt he paid off the board because, prior to that, the WBC said they had no problem with it.
Wbc is a criminal organization and the fighters have used anyways drugs countless times, canelo’s got caught several times and and they essentially lie their way out of it.
Science doesn’t lie: Ben took the drugs and after a year parents like listen.
How much do you want this guy’s, a money maker, it’s good for the sport in Britain, it’s good for the sport for Britain and the U.
S, because he’s a good fighter.
So let’s just give you some money.
Let’S just get this behind us.
You make the statement that it was a mistake.
This has happened so often in boxing history.
It’S sickening and Eddie Hearns Lou.
You told me about the uh and I haven’t forgot about it when you said that Eddie recently has been known to just go into.
You know the fighters room and try to recruit guys in the middle of events right and and there’s no sense to me – Luke yeah and that’s about business.
It’S not only bad business.
It’S injurious to your health in the old days.
He would have been killed for doing that, the mob, pretty much yeah, I was going to say they wouldn’t put up with that part.
They just would have broken his legs or shot him, and these days his father never did that.
I read about his father.
His father was very upstanding right, well respected.
So what happened? The Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
What happened? Well? It did fall far because his father, if he wanted a certain fighter, he would call a barber.
Well, he pulled the old uh McMahon.
You know he would call someone and say I like to represent your fighter.
How much do you want for him and if the guy said no okay? Well, let’s make a deal we’ll talk again.
Six months from now, Eddie Hearn will go into American Arenas and say to whoever you know.
I I like to sign you.
I can give you a better deal and the other promoter I mean Bob arum’s got a lot of power.
Don King had a lot of power because he had the mob behind him and, of course, Bob is still very relevant in boxing today and doing that doing.
That is still a dangerous thing, which is why Hearn is quickly losing ground in the United States.
You know, and so he’s stepping on people’s toes and they’re, taking notice of it right they’re going to squeeze them out.
I mean he said, he’s probate, but I don’t know what he can do for reaches bro great.
It’S like Adrian Broner signing with Don King.
Well, Don’s in his 90s and is no longer a force in boxing, neither throner, so what Eddie Huron done is just crossing the line, but what Graham mentioned these guys? Do it all the time these guys, all the time say what? If I give you a couple hundred grand boxing functions on only one principle make money: it’s like the mob and her attitude is.
Everyone can be bought only as good as your last fight type of thing.
You know what I mean yeah, but you know you could suspend a guy like Tyson for a year or two years or three years and then, if you pay off enough money, the suspension’s lifted after a couple months, this always happens.
Nothing changes.
It’S been this way for 300 years.
I can name you 50 fighters in the past 100 years that have been like that, where that were suspended for uh, throwing fights dealing with the mob, taking drugs, uh uh being in need standard, stuff, Lou, that’s all standard standard and I’ll have to pay someone off It goes away and that’s what happened with Eddie, Hearn and Connor Penn and the sad thing is: it doesn’t stop Conor been from taking drugs again right right and, as we all know, it’s your choice.
You can say yes, you can say no on that right.
So, hey guys, I wanted to talk about a fight that I’ve been looking at.
Graham, you might have been looking at this one too.
You talked about it this week on the uh on the boxing news and uh Lou, I’m sure and Tim uh, my little uh.
My little friend there I really like her cenisa Estrada is fighting tonight.
What do you guys think about her cenisa she’s she’s, the girl who knocked out that other girl in like 19 seconds? You got it? That’S the one she got she’s my she’s, my she’s, the one that I really like guys to be honest with you.
She impressed me.
I seen some documentaries on her.
Her attitude is proper, her father trains, her her sister’s a fighter.
You know like she’s she’s got all she’s got everything in the Box.
Tim she’s got it all and she’s 24-0 and I think she’s got some some.
I don’t know like what do you think Lou? I I’ve seen a couple.
I’Ve seen a couple of uh women fight, but I I just got to pay more attention because if you would have said her name, I would have said okay.
But I just seen in the last couple of days like two different girls uh about as it may be, the one that you’re talking about Denise Estrada man.
She really impressed me, Graham, you know what I’m saying: we’ve been looking at her for a few years and, like she comes from a boxing uh, a culture, family she’s very, very well, respected, and you know what she puts in the time Tim.
You know what I’m saying I seen her and she she’s got she’s got the gumption to actually kick it up a notch, and you know what she’s doing it and I’m really proud of her.
To be honest with you yeah, I don’t follow women’s boxing, so I I I know who she is and I’ve seen her.
I I couldn’t give a reason to comment about it.
Yeah.
I just look at something: I’m always a critical dick go ahead.
I was just going to say that uh for those fans out there who might not know cenizio Estrada’s uh, fighting uh, leonella yodica, that’s and it’s it’s for the WBC WBA.
You didn’t pronounce that name right.
You didn’t pronounce the last part of that name right.
What was that you said? What was it, how do you pronounce it? Yudica, okay, hey what nationality is she I I’m gon na, have to guess and say: Mexican okay, I haven’t looked at the pretty girl, that’s for sure, um! What’S the flag on her check it out, Graham, it’s blue and white, it might be Argentinian, then Argentinian, God said: she’s Argentinian, that’s the flag right there yeah and that that’s for the uh WBC and WBA female minimum weight title tonight tonight.
It’S going down Friday July 28th.
Ring walk 11 p.
m, hit saying here, right, yep, right, she’s, a Tim.
If you got any time guys or anything Taco fight fans, so nice is gon na she’s, my she’s, the one for me anyways, that’s a good call! Neil! I I didn’t realize she was fighting tonight.
That’S Las Vegas Las Vegas as well yeah.
She is.
I hope I have one.
What’S that say on your shirt? What’S that say on your shirt, mine, yeah, oh, okay, that’s a round of blue jays.
Go ahead, go ahead! So what I was going to say about women’s boxing and Cindy say Estrada and Clarissa Shields and then all of them, if they want to get the same respect as man, then fight three men around.
I don’t think they care, I don’t think they care, but they only fight two minute rounds yeah but Layla McCarter already said Layla McCarter said she.
She thought.
I mean she.
She if you check out Layla McGregor uh.
What’S her name there, uh Brooke Brooke did a Big Show with Layla, and you know what that was one of the best women’s interviews.
I’Ve ever seen.
Atlanta McCarter is a big time.
Lady who’s a eight-time world champion.
Thank you.
He told us what was going down if you want to check it out, yeah checked out um.
I don’t believe that she’s great, I don’t believe it.
The one interesting fact Lou is all the women who we have interviewed that I know of on talking fight and we’ve interviewed a lot.
They’Ve all said they would prefer a three minute round.
That’S right, they don’t want.
They don’t want to be.
You know any indifferent right: they want to spit up the stairs, they want to spit up the stairs, but they don’t like when you spit on the stairs, hey Tim and you got to go, you said change it.
No spinning on the stairs guys change it.
Why not change it if the fighters? Oh yeah, that sounds good.
That sounds cool.
If we were, if we were governing bodies, I’m sure we would change it got some smart guys and got some smart guys on the panel Wilson.
There guys it kind of disappeared.
I didn’t know what happened to him.
I know we’re getting a little bit off topic, but but Tony Ayala Jr, you guys remember Tony Ayala Jr.
He died yeah.
He did I know, but what? What? What? What a? What a boxing uh, what a boxing family and what? What a great guy – and you know he had some problems as everybody does, but he wasn’t he he was a.
He was a.
He was a really good one.
What do you think Lou? He was a good fighter, not a great guy right.
He, oh okay, Tony Jr, I wrote an article about him just after he died, it wasn’t a shock how he died an overdose of drugs in front of a boxing gym.
This was a guy.
This was a guy, it’s a family boxing gym right, but this was a guy who they thought.
I I’m much older than you, so this is a guy who was fighting as a junior middle and everyone thought he’s going to be the guy to give Hagler the biggest fight of his career he’ll move up to 160.
.
He went to prison for 33 years next door, neighbor, who he was friends with.
He had no problem, he had a a girlfriend at the time he had no problem, get you know being with women.
There was no reason for him to do what he did, but rape isn’t sexual, it’s it’s a power crap and he did this and he admitted it and he went to jail for 33 years, came out and tried to restart his career and his life ended.
The same way, Adrian Broner’s life is going to end and James Kirkland and maybe tank Davis.
These guys are from the streets.
You can’t take the streets out of them.
Tony Ayala Jr was a great fighter.
I saw him beat guys in under 30 seconds, but there was no discipline.
It’S why I get angry.
When people say to me you know I could be a booty, it would have beaten.
Lennox Lewis, that’s complete crap, the beat kind of Lewis you have to have discipline and focus and I’d be a booty didn’t have that he went around beating up women, kidnapping, raping and beating them up.
That’S not discipline or Focus.
So you can’t expect a guy like that to see that the highest level boxing has a lot of people like that.
The rare ones like Lennox or Tim or Muhammad Ali are very rare indeed, but there’s a lot of guys like that, and it’s nothing.
No one.
Anything could do anyone could do to help Tony Ayala, real, quick.
You were making that statement.
I was kind of worried about several of the the boxing names that you said.
I heard that they did certain things in the in the public.
That was really bad um and this is really up to is it’s really up to the people that that he grew up with and like like uh uh um majority of them were Hispanic and black right.
The dimension names that you mentioned um and you know you can go deep into really whatever whatever you want to try to figure out.
How can you make things better? I would like to see them guys.
You were saying they’re gon na wind up messed up, and I don’t want to say that I just I don’t want to say this, there’s a way that we probably got ta help and talk to them.
But it don’t seem like it because, especially when they got money, if you understand what I’m saying they got money they’re gon na keep on doing they’re, not gon na listen more now and when they didn’t have the money in the prestige um um.
They probably listen to more people, but now that they got finances and everything like that.
If you know what I’m talking about, I’m talking about the uh tank Davids and the guys that you just mentioned uh, they was beating up their girl, never were beat up the girl or or getting violence, and you do have a point there and it’s up to Us like guys, like me, and people that from the community to try to steer these guys away from, but as it stands right now, it’s going to be a hard task because they got money and fame and beating up on them.
Girls was bad when I got five daughters.
When I heard that I said wow tank, he beat the girl up buried or something yeah.
How could you, how could you beat up a beautiful little young lady? I got five daughters, man.
I hurt somebody over there and you know what I never really.
I never put my hands on none of my kids and I’m 65.
.
I never put my well, I already said real, quick, my son Tim.
He was eight months old.
I spanked this.
I keep saying on on the I spanked his leg cause he wouldn’t go to sleep, but other than that I didn’t even have to holler at him.
He’S 30 something and I never hollered at him.
I swear and I got I got.
I got uh Shania one from England, she kind of rough and it’s hard.
You know I got to get her, but the rest of them one of them.
I did had to grip her up because she was running she’s trying to go with this dude.
You know, and but other than that everything has been good, but to see these guys uh, they must have had really bad upbringing up and whatever it is.
I think that we should talk about trying to get it fixed too.
Now you said what you said about them, but you should also say: let’s I wonder if we can find a way to stop them.
If you guys understand what I’m saying, stop them from beating up the girls or showing up in public uh uh their name in public dumb, like in crime and stuff, like that, that really sounds bad, especially beating up a girl.
I seen tank grab that girl like she was nothing that rushed over here and I was like mad.
I was mad at that yeah.
I was mad because he did that, but then I got to tell you though yeah I mean it’s also the because of the races.
I love them brothers.
I love them.
I love my sisters and brothers, but it made me feel bad when I seen him do all that.
Listen here, here’s the thing I mentioned those guys because they were the most recent in my mind, but it happens.
The white Fighters that have been in boxing have committed way more crimes: okay Fighters for minority groups.
This is something we see in Canada and the United States Tim.
I don’t know.
[ Laughter ] in Canada in Canada, over over 98 of violent crimes are committed by white people, meaning crime is racist, but even though they’re over 90 percent of committed by white people, it depends where you at it depends where you’re at.
But all the newspaper coverage is of African Americans or Hispanics or other groups committing these crimes, even though the crimes committed by African Americans, the United States as less than one tenth of one percent out of all the total crime committed over 98 of it’s committed by White people, so it’s it’s the folks.
I didn’t know that from from the American government – that’s a fact, so blacks have been villainized, as you know, for over 400 years in the United States, but but and this this happens in boxing, so I could name you white Fighters going going back to Billy papke, Who fought Stanley, Cacho and other guys like that who ended up? You know killing his wife and his children and himself and and and white Fighters, hundreds of them over the last hundred years that had committed violent crimes on boxing and ended up the same way that, Mike that Tony Ayala Jr ended up wow people.
That happened to be well like, like I said, Lou like I said it was a very uh, very uh, it’s it’s, it was it of its time and I mean I guess it went wrong, but he looked like he had a really promising career.
He was he.
It was probably you’re right.
It was heartbreaking because he had so much talent, but his father was was his trainer when he was young, like I mean him and his brothers right, but his brother Mike became a world champion, beat Johnny Tapia, that’s right and Tony had more Talent than God.
That’S right and he was beating, he wasn’t beating bombs.
He was beating top 10 guys within a round or two and just brutalizing them and just gon na control.
His own demons and its father was more concerned about it.
Can I get back to this fence thing with with you guys The Spence uh Crawford thing? I got a couple of things I want to talk about before we uh end it all.
I guess type of thing now, the way I see it Tim honestly, I’m gon na I’m gon na tell you what I think all right.
This is how I think Spence.
If he works the body the way he can work the body and wear down Crawford.
That’S his that’s his biggest asset right.
There that’s going to be the problem, because Crawford has the ability to get in close and jump out fast and getting close and jump out fast and he’s got really fast feet.
His hands are super crazy, as we all know, and he throws combination punches from all angles from both Styles he’s actually Southpaw and Orthodox as good on each side.
So the problem with that is the only thing I can see.
That’S gon na that’s gon na switch.
It is if Spence pressures him hard and hits the body she takes them down from the body Tim and hope that he came up that I’m gon na take spends guys, I’m taking Spence, I think expense got longer arms and if he dislike, went up for Larry Holmes and um he had to jab.
We took his jab away from we had all these different.
We had like seven six Spar partners with long arms throwing Jabs good Jabs at me, so I do believe this heavyweight division ever Tim, the best job ever the Eastern assassin and we made it and they he never touched me really with it.
You know we practice on taking away, but we we practice on taking away, but um Spence should should practice on making that jab a hundred percent if he can and and everything I think of following, but but but but uh Crawford Crawford is like a tough you Coming in yeah, yeah crossword’s, a smart fighter he’s got to wear them down somehow Crawford crawfords, which is so effortlessly from Southpaw to Orthodox and back it’s confusing to fight him, and he doesn’t it’s crazy around.
So no, oh you got ta.
Do is stick your hand out.
All you got to do is stick your hand up.
He had the right trainer and when, when this guy switched to the other side, all you got ta do is take your hand and push him.
That’S as easy as that, when the guy keeps switching back and forth Old-Timers, taught me all you when you keep switching just push him just touch him in it and he’ll get off balance.
That’S how you defend the guy this, just something small! That’S how you defend the guy to keep switching back and forth as soon as he try to switch touch him push him and he’ll fall off balance.
That’S how I was doing go ahead.
Go ahead.
John Porter knew that and couldn’t do it and Porter was a great fighter.
So it’s it’s.
It’S maybe easy for you, but during the course of an actual round, when he’s doing it back and forth, it can be this difficult and frustrating.
You know it depends where they put their feet to show them that it works or works all the time.
It’S not that hard.
Well, we’ll see.
I hope the judges don’t ruin it.
That’S all, I hope an end in The Knockout.
So so so, let’s, let’s just get okay, so I got spent all right or a draw.
I’M taking the draw to be honest with you, that’s my opinion.
I don’t think it’s gon na be a trouble who you guys got.
I got the drawings, I don’t think it’s gon na be a child.
Wasn’T they training for a long time should be in Crawford by decision? Okay, um I got whoever whoever gets uh hit the most and get worn down.
That’S uh! You know to me both of them.
Don’T have defense uh, so um, but but one is aggressive.
Crawford is aggressive.
I would look at him to maybe get better hard shots in, but really is whoever gets hit the hardest and can’t recover.
You know what else I would make a decision.
I would make a decision, but that’s what I see you know what’s interesting, there’s a guy on.
We all can see claiming that he’s Aerosmith he’s making these comments on the side, but in the other part of my computer on the other part of my computer, I’m watching Errol Spence live weighing in right now bud Crawford.
So I I don’t know how one man can weighed in in his underwear and his mind on a computer screen doesn’t make sense.
The producers that talk and fight can do it.
Hey, listen, uh.
The guy said: I’m looking like a helicopter go ahead with earphones before we finish the show, though uh we were talking about uh families, and we were talking about families of boxers and it is worthy to mention uh, one of Canada’s Patriarchs in the boxing Community uh Passed away, uh Lou, if you can fill us on the details, that’ll be appreciated.
Yeah Dave Hilton, who I uh or Dave Hilton senior, was the father of a junior middleweight world champion Matthew, Hilton and super middleweight champion uh uh Davey Hilton Jr, and he he um.
If his son Stewart might have died in a motorcycle accident, yeah Stewart, that’s my man.
We was all together man.
He was a bad.
He was a bad boy, though God bless him on a motorcycle accident.
He probably would have been yeah and when Davey brought Matthew Hilton and his son uh to Miami Beach to the Fifth Street, Gym he showcased him for Angela Dundee and Angela said to him.
I can’t help you they’re already the best they are in the world.
There’S nothing I can add to them.
You you already achieved the goal.
No One’s Gon na beat him, so don’t worry about it.
You’Re on the right do some do some tough boys.
Let me tell you: they were some tough boys, my favorite Canadian Fighters Alex Alex Dave.
Oh man Alex was, he could punch.
I was gon na punch, they wasn’t scared of nobody.
I don’t care what nationality you was that wasn’t scary, David Hilton, yes, David Hilton, Mr Hilton, as I called them: Dempsey, Tommy, Farr, Jersey, Joe Walcott.
He was good friends of Ali.
He was friends to the point where, when they saw him in a place of New York or L.
A or anywhere in Canada, they would say: hey Dave come over, so he idolized these guys David Hilton.
Mr Hilton was the featherweight champion and lightweight champion of Canada, and you think was the trainer of Marciano Emery went on to train the great artavian was a featherweight and art haffey knocked out who went off there so wow David Hilton’s influence Mr Hilton’s influence from the 50S was he fell, Schwab he just passed away: yeah yeah.
Yesterday, God blessed his heart man.
He he put so much excitement and enjoyment in our lives.
When I was growing up the hill, I was with him.
They were Infamous, Alias and serious those boys yeah.
I was with Davey senior he’s really cool me and him really got along yeah.
They were tough yep.
They were toughest Maps, oh yeah.
What nationality Canadians are tough.
We want all the awards.
Hilton’S had trouble getting sparring partners because they just they.
They didn’t scare worth a damn, nothing you know and if you hit them a good shot, they just laugh at you.
So that’s true story.
I witnessed it.
I witnessed it at Don King’s camp.
They were great Don King yup, Don King had him and I’m sure everyone on the panel wishes uh the Hilton family, his wife and his children and grandchildren.
My condolence my condolence absolutely condolences to the Hilton family rest in peace senior.
Thank you for everything.
Yes, well said: okay, and that was Our Moment of Silence by the way yeah um.
That was right on time too.
Yeah absolutely was listen uh.
If there’s nothing else.
Uh on anyone else, anyone else’s mind, that’s uh, wind down the show and get on with that uh sinisi Estrada fight.
That’S what I was just gon na say: don’t forget it’s tonight, guys Benicia strata Tim, I’m telling you that’s right, he’s a good one.
Where can you watch it? Where can you watch it on ESPN? Isn’T it yeah? It was ESPN right, ESPN yeah, I think so all right, I don’t think I have it.
I would love to see it.
Okay, guys I got tomorrow.
I got to go to New York, I got to go to New York and then come back and do a lot of other stuff I’ll see you at the next show.
If I, if I don’t, got a babysit okay thanks very much Tim appreciate the time.
Yes, thanks uh thanks, Sarah Lou gram, thanks a lot for having me out here on the panel on Fridays.
I love it.
Hello, you’re one of a kind, my friend yeah, that’s what all my Ex-Wives say.
I know and they loved you every remember that it was love every time right, Lou for a short time.
But yes did we ever decide, though uh we we were.
We were talking at one point about nanito Diner, yeah, fighting Cabrera, oh yeah, Santiago, sir um, so who’s gon na win, sorry yeah yeah, even though he had a rock uh yeah in a way.
Yeah anyway, knocked him out second round knockout some, but that’s about the only glitch I’ve seen in a lot of years he’s a Hall of Famer.
We all know oh and he’s a great guy too, a very nice guy, yeah yeah.
We always love the Filipino Fighters.
Abraham, that’s right.
We do we do.
I was.
I was telling uh Neil on one of my shows the other day uh.
I don’t know if you know this Lou, but if you’ve been to the Philippines, you would know uh, but if you go to a shopping center they will actually have a boxing match in a shopping center.
They love boxing that much down there wow.
I have a friend of mine who every year goes to the Philippines Graham, and he brings Toronto Maple Leaf and uh Montreal, Canadian jerseys and Nets and sticks for all the kids and man.
They go bananas over there.
They love the Canadians in the leagues, but hey boxing is their number one.
They loved Manny Pacquiao, we all know yeah, but their first hero was Pancho Villa with the flyweight champ that flat flash of lordy was phenomenal fighter.
He was like a god.
He was bigger than Pacquiao, that’s it wow! That goes back a long, long, long, long way, too big history of fights in the Philippines.
I’Ll tell you.
It goes back to the early 1900s when there was a promoter from the states living there who who would find Fighters and then sell Philippine Fighters and then sell them off to the mob in New York.
So there’s a history there going back 150 years, or so, oh my God Lou.
You never cease to amaze me my friend, if I can only monetize it.
That was my uncle used to say, I’m telling you you’re a plethora of information and you’re going to be you’re a superstar in our minds, and thank you very much for your time and, Graham obviously, of course thank you by the way.
One last thing: I’ve never seen Graham be grumpy.
I don’t know why you call him that, but it’s because we, like him, always said if they’re making fun of it’s, because they like you because nine times out of ten I’m grumpy.
If I’ve uh watched uh a news clip and on that news, clip is Eddie.
Hearn, Eddie, Hearn, Eddie Hearn upsets me greatly.
Yeah he’s really not he’s not really playing by the rules.
I guess, and I really don’t care – that’s his business, but you know what I mean there are.
There are certain rules and regulations, I guess Lou there are it’s not just he’s not playing, he doesn’t care that he’s not.
He makes no attempt to hide it.
The way other people would hide it he’s flaunting the fact that I got money.
I can break the rules, I can screw anyone in boxing and he’s going to pay for it.
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