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EPISODE: Episode 1
Our group of panelists, including Tim Witherspoon, provide another weekly roundup of boxing headlines and an array of updates about upcoming bouts and boxers – and share current events and news with the many fans across the world that enjoy the great sport of Boxing!
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Oh yeah, hello, boxing fans around the world, thank you for joining Mike and I for another Friday night panel here on talk and fight, and we have a lot to talk about.
Don’T we? Yes? Yes, we do.
I don’t even know where to start.
I don’t know about you, oh I I don’t even know where to start, should we flip a coin: hey hey before we get going yeah uh.
Do you need some help with that new betting money? You got yes, yes, that’s gon na, be that’s gon na.
Be lots of fun can’t wait to uh tonight.
I think we should do that live on the Friday night panel yeah.
We should uh, we should.
We should use the uh, the uh, the BET Stamp app, the wonderful bet, stab app and uh, and and and find out the best best odds across all the platforms that they carry and uh yeah.
Let’S make the let’s make it.
Let’S make a wonderful outcome of this this this fruitful change that was given to me by our by our wonderful uh friends over at bet stamps awesome.
That’S awesome! That’S awesome! When I heard that I went uh, great um and and now you start looking for these Insider tips, but that’s what bet stamp’s all about right, they uh they provide all the different betting platforms and who’s, giving the best odds.
If I’m not mistaken, yes yeah so uh, what it does is it’s uh, it’s a platform that holds all the uh available, apps in your region and uh.
It puts all of them in real time, uh in front of you um you make you make the bets that you’re looking for and then it brings up the uh the best odds across all the platforms that you are a part of and uh puts it on.
One screen for you and then yeah when you click on it, it uh it takes you over uh to that platform so that you can place that bet and then allows you to track all your bets in real time on their uh on their on their platform.
Man, it’s great super cool app and when it comes to betting, like I’ll I’ll bet, not many of us knew that there was a system out there that allows you to literally look at which one was going to give you if you, if you were thinking on Betting on Anthony Joshua, for example, you could use this app to scroll through and see who’s going to give you the best odds if you had, if you had decided to bet on that auntie and Joshua yeah, and what it also does is it gives you the It will also give you the uh, the the odds of who they believe is going to win the fight like it will give you a percentage on uh on who they believe the winner is going to be before it actually happens, so yeah wow how cool yeah.
It’S uh, it’s not bad.
It’S uh! It’S pretty good.
Once again talking fight innovators and bringing new partners to the table, definitely definitely yeah.
We will yeah.
So I guess we will be launching uh.
We will be launching boxing on that uh soon enough.
Yeah, yes, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
I understand it’s a technology, uh Gamble; yes, hey Carl, how you doing oh yeah, just wondering whether you’re a gambling age now rather than a boxing Channel uh.
You know what it’s a big endorsement: you’re, just given! No! No! No! No! No, no, no, we uh we’re not endorsing anything.
We are being sponsored by a company called bet stamp soon, very soon and uh and uh.
It’S a it’s a really interesting application for those people who have the money to bet and uh and the time uh to research and or maybe the time to listen to podcasts like ours to find out who they should be betting on uh.
I don’t know you must be excited Carl uh over there in the hot bed of boxing uh.
You, you guys, have a big fight lined up tomorrow night.
There was.
There was an event today too near what yeah.
There was an event today: uh the Harlem you made card uh Miguel engine uh Anton, was down once in the sixth round and once in the seventh and uh that went unanimous decision.
So Harlan Eubank is still undefeated.
17-0 uh, our boy Matt, our boy Maddie Harris, was also on the card.
Uh came through, came through with a wonderful Victory TKO over uh Milos velitec.
In about two seconds: okay, yeah yeah, I haven’t been.
Let me know how that fight went down actually well.
It’D.
Be a very quick review mark because he literally got into the ring.
The bell went a couple of shots.
It was game over so nice.
I wouldn’t wish to watch so far.
If I’m honest, are you recommending it? Maybe his knockout of the week [ Music ]? The one that we picked please yeah, I think that’ll go to Anthony Joshua where he sends another North American backing back over the pond tomorrow night by all means.
I want to see it.
I I watch the weigh-in wow I mean wow.
I mean I couldn’t believe he he’s what 22 pounds heavier: yeah yeah 22 and I’m not talking fat.
That guy looks absolutely ripped.
Debbie James is Derek James’s style, I didn’t say, Seek and Destroyer.
I I don’t even go looking for each of this one.
I’Ve just been to the meeting yeah that is going to be one blistering battle, man holy wow.
I couldn’t believe it when I saw it.
I went wow that guy’s a monster in a good way in a good way.
Um anyway.
Sorry, Mike we were interrupting your your recap of the Friday night: uh fights yeah the the well the Friday afternoon – fights because you know the it happened here in the afternoon for us and on time zone Michael depends on time zone yeah exactly exactly yeah.
So um, you know there wasn’t uh too many too many gnomes on this uh on this one, but definitely except for Maddie, Harris and and and Harlem Eubank.
You know he’s known um, you know yeah what uh any uh any other exciting fights on this card, Carl, because I know you watched it yeah not really from honest movie like it’s a lot of up and coming Fighters yeah and there’s a there’s, a fight.
That’S just finishing now: Army scar, foods from Derby and just down the road from me is Graham will know with his great English geographer um he’s an up-and-coming Fighter.
Um good fight, that’s worth watching Mike.
I won’t spoil it for you, but that’s worth watching.
Yeah he’s in that uh that super Walter division uh goes by horrible.
That’S right, Harry horrible, scarf yeah I mean.
Is there any small old show, even in the UK he’s on channel five, which is a terrestrial TV channel? But, interestingly enough, I noticed the Zone.
It fits up in your territory.
Is that right, yeah, so that that would suggest that the designer got a first for any boxing material at the minute bear in mind.
They just landed on the sky platform in the UK as well.
Channel 429 is uh as Ed young kids reminding us, so I do think it’s an interesting time for the Zone, because they’ve gone from being a purely streaming app trying to diversify just to get more viewers through the door.
I would suggest well yeah.
They did that to you.
They did that deal with um our promoter here in Canada, um Lee Baxter.
So you know they’re they’re, making moves for sure, definitely trying to uh.
You know expand that in Europe you know, so it was just spreading there spreading the bets.
A bit a bit wider than just match room.
Well, there was a great comment from Bob arum, not that he ever gives great cut, but anyway there was a comment around here.
Anyway.
He had a good comment with respect to uh, pay-per-view prices and uh.
He noted uh that that they’re just simply too expensive um you know over here anyway.
I’Ve been noted that um God see if I was, is that 89.
99 over in the states, yeah uh plot, yeah plus uh.
I believe it’s I’m gon na say roughly plus another 10.
If you want a monthly subscription so um but uh his his fight.
I believe his fight.
What the hell was he talking about.
Oh Devin Haney against lomachenko yeah yeah, he’s put that as 59.
99 to understand, because he believes that’s the fight that everyone should be watching so now, they’re getting into a nice little competitive battle, uh with respect to price, aren’t they.
I think I think lomachenko’s had his day.
I think Devin Haney’s got him, I mean I’ll be dominating.
Is the next Superstar boxes? I think, he’s very, very special fighter.
However, people go in on him um for the campuses, but I don’t really understand because um that was a pure demonstration of the sweet science.
For me, it’s and don’t get it.
It was a boat.
Both eyes were technically brilliant.
I think we’re in danger of fight fans of needed neat.
We must have a knockout or it’s not cluster’s, a good fight.
You know, I’m not sure where this has come from um, but I’ve seen I’ve read and I’ve listened to a lot of people absolutely slating.
Debonating as a boring fighter, which is outrageous, absolutely outrageous.
Well, I I’ll tell you where it might have come from uh the disgraceful.
Judging that took place for several years and on occasion still happens and thus uh the motto you know: don’t leave it in the hands of the judges and and and that’s not coming from commentators that’s coming from boxers mouths.
You know um, they they have to.
They know they have to deliver a knockout punch or run run right, absolutely there’s two and that’s quite frankly too bad.
That is a quote: unquote: black guy for boxing uh to have that stained have that reputation.
I know there have been several other sports, like literally over the past decade.
It’S taken them 10 years to clean up either their refereeing or their judging to make sure that it’s consistent to make sure that the rules are applied.
That they’re understood by both parties by by the athlete and the referees and or judges and and that they’re consistently applied in terms of how they’re judging and that was not the case and is not the case in boxing.
And you hear it time and time again.
So, anyway, to not to answer your question because it wasn’t a question but to address your comment uh, I think that may be where uh The Knockouts have come into being well playing a major factor in boxing right now.
Well, what is kind of cool, though, is and it’s hard to say, but okay in women’s boxing, I never would have thought you know.
I hate to say it, but I guess I’m old school whatever, but I never would have thought uh.
Girls would be this powerful.
Like never, I never would.
I would never use the word powerful when I’m describing a girl, slash woman, but the problem is these: women are powerful wow.
They really are.
I’Ve not spoke to you guys.
Since Katie Taylor versus Chantel Cameron has been officially announced.
What a great fight yeah, what a great fight um, I’m personally leaning towards Chantal Cameron, I think she’ll be a little bit too big and I think I think Katie says slightly on the slide anything.
I think this is Chantel coming break out for like and she’s very well known in the UK, and I think the World’s Gon na know about this far she’s, very, very good.
She in fact she’s exceptional yeah I’ve just been she’s touching Kate you’d say that at the right time, Katie Taylor Trailblazer for the for the female boxing, nothing but respect for Katie Taylor.
However hola.
Please get to that point where they’re on the slide.
Unfortunately, and the last few performances she’s got caught and it more than I’ve ever known, yeah.
Who else is on that card? They made a few announcements with respect: yeah [, Music, ], Ellie scottney, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that’ll be a big one um also we got Metcalf and Hogan on that as well.
Yeah, that’s an intriguing Point: yeah another one’s going to be for the IBO uh world song.
Definitely um.
You know two veterans in the game and Dennis Hogan.
You know 31-4-1 and Metcalf 24.
2-0.
So anything about Logan has been fighting in the Australia region for well.
Recently hasn’t that so, what’s his level of opponent looks like look like yeah, that’s another thing to think about too um.
You know his last Canadian Boxing.
You know when you start venturing into these territories, you’re, not sure what the level’s like really really um yeah.
Did you watched our buddy right, Cody Crawley, the other night? Please please! No! I wasn’t overly impressed, so I was trying to get on quickly so on surgery scorecard.
I wasn’t overly impressed boys to be honest.
He honestly, if you’re hanging out on that guy um, yeah you’re very disappointment sooner or later, he is he’s merely one of many examples.
Yes, he is new North American Revolution.
That’S coming over the hill, he was you know what, though he took.
He was almost out of the ring for a year when he fought Ramos uh yeah, let’s see when he gets up the top end of the division.
Well, he’s at the top end he’s not really he’s he’s sitting he’s sitting number six in the world in the world, so there’s five people above him, then yeah Ennis, Crawford yeah.
So, let’s throw him in with someone who’s gon na, be an active opponent and let’s see what happens yeah, let’s put him in with any of the top five and see what happens or hey.
Let’S uh, let’s get Connor Ben to come over to Canada and he can fight him right over oh yeah, David I’ll, be drawn on Mr battles.
Around here is uh.
Is Chris Eubank really gon na fight Connor band? It looks that way, really yeah.
It looks that way.
Uh local reports over here is at the British boxing border control were not authorized for you Bank Jr to go and fight right, so I think he’ll just probably say.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
I love me licensing really so out of curiosity once they hand their license in like Conor Ben’s done uh, do they just buy it back the doctor applied for it back um yeah.
So it’s interesting because, allegedly now you will use the word allegedly.
The British boxing Board of control with ringing around commissions around the world asking them not to license a fight really allegedly so it’s a mess.
Isn’T it? You know it’s a mess.
That situation is yeah.
Well, here’s the interesting here’s the interesting like sidebar to this discussion.
I was talking to a chap in Bahrain today, okay and unbelievably, okay, who uh he was saying that they’re now that you, you know they sponsored that one of the F1 races okay, so he says yeah that they’ve got more than enough money to bring boxing, and It’S becoming kind of a.
How do you say it almost like a political fight between Dubai, Saudi Arabia and now Bahrain who want to throw their money into this equation.
So if it and this and we’ve talked about this before it is becoming about the money yep, so I mean take a take a look at the fury using debacle like yeah, what a nightmare that was and – and I feel sorry for the fans we got ripped Off I mean that fight should have happened April April 29th.
I think it was April 20th we’ve been waiting over a year to see in well.
First of all, we’ve been waiting since the four belt era to see an Undisputed heavyweights yeah in Saudi Arabia yeah.
The bottom line was, it seems that there wasn’t enough money in the pot.
Was there you know, Sardis didn’t want it.
The set the Saudis offered u660 million U.
S and uh uh uh Frank Warren, said: yusic could have made 20 million uh on the fury fight in.
If it was held in web in Wembley, I mean well I’m a little bit.
Bored of is all the smoke and mirrors.
If that translates over to North America um, you know he said she said you got promotions coming out and making statements.
You know it’s just.
That’S a real black eye on boxing.
Isn’T it we really do need the best to start fighting the best, because or what’s gon na happen is, and I’ve said this many times the platforms like design are going to be putting more care sci-fi, it’s all against.
God knows who, because it does numbers on the on the judicial, that’s quite the traditional sport of boxing, so first yeah yeah the best guy to start fighting the best, and you know what that’s that’s all that needs to happen.
It’S a real concern, though, isn’t it when we get when when we get it right in traditional boxing, we get it right, don’t man, you know uh when when the big fights happen it draws it.
I mean look at look at the media week for AJ this week.
The Ooze ooh of celebrities in Britain was was there whether it was in the weigh-in Aussie, also by the way, obviously a very important person, the names that were there joy and the public work out through to the press conference through to the weigh-in.
Today, you know when we, when we all Britain is the best important events on inbox and I’ll.
Just put that out there.
That’S why I believe it’s my genuine belief, really really a bit of a strange situation, because obviously Saudi are now big players.
The Middle East are big players.
You lose a bit of atmosphere, don’t you, you know Joshua versus Zeus: it wasn’t.
It wasn’t a great atmosphere around in in the stadium which is built.
Well, it’s it’s different.
It’S way different, just like yeah, North America, North America’s atmosphere is different than the UK and the UK is different than Australia and Australia is different.
Everything is different.
Every every atmosphere – um, you know you don’t get fans, you don’t get true fans like you do uh anywhere else, but the UK, the UK is very.
I can give them that man, the atmosphere, the fan base, the UK’s got it [, Music ].
Oh, I like the word blistering blistering fight, yeah.
No, I don’t have to uh.
No, I don’t have to go and watch it [ Laughter ].
Are we gon na go on to age H far and give some predictions? I mean Mikey’s, joking, not mine.
So no! No we’re gon na we’re gon na talk about it right now.
Are we right now? Are we yeah man, Anthony Joshua, has said to uh face Jermaine Franklin in this uh? You know crucial heavyweight comeback.
Fighting wait, wait, wait, wait! Why don’t we start with the undercard? First and work up to our Joshua Franklin fight come on.
Let’S start with the underground.
There are some good fights on that.
Undercard there are let’s, let’s come on there are.
There are uh yeah man, um yeah.
There are a bunch of good ones.
Here, oh Fabio award League uh, uh yaffi Mike.
What’S that what’s your thoughts on Fabio wardler, being my white collar background, I like them um, you know he’s never in the fights that I’ve watched he’s performed really well uh.
I don’t know much about uh this guy coffee, so um we’ll have to we’ll have to see.
What’S going on, there is Unified David Adelaide, yeah Holly Donovan gave a great review of the of the show this morning so um.
You know her comments were interesting.
With respect to wardley and his background and uh yeah yeah, so that that’d be that’d, be a good um.
A great fight, pure fight like that that’d, be that’s very good.
What else? What else is on that honey card? I don’t! I don’t have any fun of me: we got.
We got Galileo yafi’s back in Action, uh looking and you know, keep that uh not undefeated.
Are you sticking on what uh Moses, uh coloros uh guys a veteran you know he’s got uh he’s been in there.
You know 40 45 47 times somewhere around there, so uh, but this one’s also for the W or sorry um this one, Galileo, yafi yeah, Moses Carlos.
This is good.
This can be good man uh.
How do you rate yaffi man? I I like the way this kid fights.
Yeah yeah.
You know much people give him giving him a big push.
You don’t worry about the talent ball in that way, division! No more! It’S a really deep Talent, probably not the fly division World worldwide! It’S it’s! It’S not um, really, it’s not it’s not too deep and there’s uh all right.
I think he’ll go through them levels quite quickly.
Right.
I think you win a world title fight.
I’M guessing.
We’Ve got some Japanese Fighters uh some Filipino fighters in that division, Mexican Fighters yeah we got some Filipinos.
We got some Mexicans.
We got a couple of guys from the States.
You know we got some Japan, China, um yeah.
You know yeah after he’s sitting at uh 27 in the world right now.
Oh really, yeah, bye, [, Music, ] foreign, it’s not a deep, deep talent pool man.
You know Sunny Edward’s sitting on top of it, so you know I like Sunny Edwards.
They can’t complain.
You know I’d like to see that fight yaffi Edwards, which is eventually gon na happen.
Sonny Edwards is equality.
Vodka yeah, I I do rate him as a fighter.
I do uh these guys going through my dream by the way.
What’S that it’s just signed with Matt’s room? Oh really, this is recent eh, that’s excellent, uh yeah! So call Mike yeah man um.
We got John Hedges, oh Campbell, Hatton back in Action.
Uh on this card, a lot of people don’t rate Campbell hat and what are your thoughts on them? Is he undefeated he’s undefeated he’s 10-0 right now, man he keeps uh.
He keeps coming through with these uh.
With these victories – and you know, people are saying that he’s [, __ ] and you know controversial, wins and all this kind of stuff, but you know he keeps coming through with that Victory.
I think he was unfortunate Mike he got put too far for the cards of major shows too quickly.
He’S got a lot, I mean it doesn’t help when he comes out to the same theme tune as in Blue Moon.
You know um and to be fair to him without a lot of pressure.
I do think he’s getting better and better just that.
If I can go, I’m not sure, but um very, I think he’s getting better.
He is getting better like you know, he doesn’t have that.
He doesn’t have that finish power.
Yet you know he’s out of out of his 10.
Wins he’s only knocked out three, so you know, and but but he is, you know, he’s still a young guy man he’s only 22.
um.
You know there’s uh there’s.
Definitely he definitely is getting better.
When you watch him, I think he’ll get women’s button along because she’s made.
I know these.
These are great points.
I know yeah.
It’S all live on air last night that he’s got to up his opponent standards he’s on Dodge yeah.
That’S true! It is an English phrase for you he’s on dodgy ground, oh yeah, so the undercard undercard’s looking good, but the big fight everybody wants to talk about.
You know what man we’re we’re talking about: the Joshua fight.
What are your thoughts? Predictions Jermaine Franklin he’s 21-1.
Taking on the man Joshua 24-3 Joshua does look uh in really good shape, um pretty impressed.
What are your thoughts, all that gray and gray fridge? Let’S just show you not mine, all right sure, um uh up up until up until I saw that weigh-in uh.
I was discounting Joshua because of his stated uh mental issues.
To be blunt, and I didn’t know whether he could really handle uh uh, someone like Jermaine Franklin, who’s, kind of mouthy and kind of brash uh, but at the end of the day, uh, when I saw that win, I went okay.
That kind of that throws the mental question out the out the door and and he’s been training uh in the U.
S and he’s had some uh top quality sparring partners.
So uh, I’m sorry, you know what I sided with Joshua against music and I lost that bet and I couldn’t believe it because I thought you know he had the better reach and I just thought he had the better skill set and he lost to you sick.
So I thought what the [ __, ] and and now, but now I’m looking, I’m looking, I’m I’m just just purely looking just looking at them side by side, I’m going wow, one guy is ripped and absolutely looks like he should be playing for the uh New York Giants right right, uh, middle linebacker.
What was that? That’S the uh, the American Football, a non-proper anyway, anyway, let’s just let’s just let’s just say he he was buff like absolutely Buff.
When I saw him, he went in 20 pounds heavier and I mean did you? Did I mean the size of his biceps alone or the size of both of my thighs combined? I’M sure like that guy holy moly blew me away and I’m saying to myself boy.
I do not want to be Franklin, I’m sorry, I don’t care how much you know this I’ve been doing for the past week, Joshua’s got a four inch height advantage and he’s got like a five or six inch.
Reach advantage.
I mean good good luck.
I’M sure Franklin said I’m going to be pounding away at the the belly type [ __ ] and that’s that’s just not gon na work I mean Joshua has put in the work.
Obviously he is ready.
Yeah uh now who comes after Joshua who’s, Eddie Hernan, said he’s got three or four fights lined up once he beats Franklin, so he’s got a got him on a bit of a trajectory, and I appreciate that it’s kind of interesting to see that there is true Management at play here, um, but anyway, I’m not discarding Franklin but uh, but I’m telling you for all the talk that Franklin did over the past couple of weeks that I’ve been reporting on on the new show like you, you would have thought you know he knew Some Secret Sauce that he’s going to take into that fight, but I’m telling you when I saw that way and I went game over Franklin, you’re out all right.
That’S also on the card um Austin Williams, 13, and all I like this kid.
I’Ve been watching him for a while taking on uh.
You know what my position I might no I’ve removed um.
No, no, you know your prediction, so I think obviously AJ’s out with Derek James.
He looks in the zone yeah, I’m surprised it’s coming so ever because you better get Franklin out there by around see.
So I worry about his stamina, carrying that much muscle, mass and weight sure, but I think he’s only a bit of a no news.
No win situation.
I think if you Bluffs Franklin out around one or two people ago, frankly with the odd job yeah and if he gets dragged late, people are saying.
Joshua is finished, so I’m wondering for AJ in that perspective, but I think he’s going to look to make a statement.
You don’t come in that ever and then start running around the Rings.
I think he’s gon na look to take him out earlier yeah.
I don’t think Franklin sees round six [ Music ], you know what yeah I agree.
I agree, I don’t see, I don’t see you, I don’t think he goes past six.
Another thing is a dillian white fighting this summer, followed by maybe the fury fight in in what you guys called fall straight winter.
There you go North American slang there for you, we don’t have.
We don’t have no in-betweens here in Toronto, man, it’s it’s summer and cold.
That’S it yeah! In the UK, the only issue on a on a boxing industry level is it doesn’t: do the boxing industry any good uh to put uh British V British Fighters uh time and time again um if you, if you really want to claim that heavyweight title you’ve got To go down the road, I’m telling you, I know you don’t believe me, but uh when Jared Anderson crosses the pond and faces some of your boys, I’m telling you it’s going to take over that division before he comes over there.
What is he 22 at the minute? Is that 22 years old, something like that yeah he’s, like I’m pretty sure, he’s turning he’s pretty she’s 10-0 and uh he’s more than that.
Now, if you, if you look, if you compare the two he’s, probably as fit as uh Joshua like in terms of Physique in terms of look yeah and he’s, you know, he’s and and he’s also he’s he’s only two inches smaller than Joshua.
And you know like an inch and a half for each Advantage.
Joshua has not all of our size.
Everything Sandy Ruiz Junior approved that so you know, but but I’ll add this comment: big babies, 13-0 with 13 Kos Jared Anderson is meaner.
He’S got that mentality.
That seems to be lacking in Anthony Joshua he’s easy, but hunger Jared Anderson has that Killer Instinct he’s motivated and it just there’s just something.
You know if those two uh you sick, fights, there’s just something: uh not lacking, but almost lost in in Joshua’s will to continue, and I think you’ve probably said it um.
You know he he has said this will be his last fight if he does lose to Franklin.
Yes, yes, so you know, at the end of the day I mean a guy like uh Anderson uh is Gon na Fill that Gap quite frankly, because I I honestly think that Anderson can handle dillian white.
I honestly think you can handle Joe Joyce should be a good fight um, but realistically I mean some.
Some of your English fellows are getting a bit old to be blind.
You always aren’t for me until he fights somewhat of note where I can draw some comparison.
I’Ll keep my drop powder dry because without examples like this in the past, so I’ll just throw one out there not the same way: division but Jeff left up Lisa.
He was coming over to fight calzag.
It was a done deal.
It was going to beat Kell zagio got over to Cardiff and the rest is history, as you say, so.
I can’t join the comparisons game because he hasn’t been in with any one of notes, in my opinion.
So until it does, you know, as you even had an art chat yeah as anyone put it on him, you know and as he gone to them, dark places where he’s got to bite down his gum Shield.
It’S only been brought the distance once and that was by Kingsley, I bet and um.
He ended up k, o m uh 219 in that last round.
I’Ll give you an example Daniel.
Well, it was knocking people out for fun at British and European level.
Then he met Joe George and got found out so that that’s that’s the only point I make.
Let’S see him go up through the levels before we start all inhaling is going to come over and Conquer Britain.
No! No! I’M I’m just nothing about concrete Britain.
It’S about the the global Stakes at play here: uh, there’s an awful lot of uh heavyweight Fighters that look look at that guy from China.
No hey! What’S up, what’s his name he’s fighting Joyce yeah yeah, John thanks, fine Joyce! I can’t wait to see that one.
That’S coming up soon: the Giants – oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Mrs whitterson’s, obviously happy about it.
[ Laughter, ].
Let’S move about my marriage, counseling yeah, that one set for the 15th, the uh Saturday, the 15th, so Jared and Jared, and just one last call Jared Anderson’s mental view on this is the same way.
I believe I recall Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson entered the the ring enter the spotlight as a young fella, with nothing to lose other than his he’s got great.
Okay, when I was a young lad, not that young.
But when I was younger and I saw Mike Tyson for the first couple of times – I went holy [ __ ], who is this guy? I’M telling you that that is the kind of mentality that Jared Anderson has he’s.
He’S ruthless in the ring.
He’S got a killer mentality, I mean he he’s he’s not taking any prisoners and he’s heavy-handed.
So anyway, that’s that’s enough about big baby um.
Actually he calls himself the real big baby or something like that, because there’s another Boxer out there with me: yeah, that’s beautiful.
When he might get his nappy changed room when he gets in UK without him, [ Laughter ], look at that see we do what a nap he was all right.
That’S funny all right.
What else is on what else is on the cards there Mike we got uh two-time Olympic gold, medalists rogbisi Ramirez, oh yeah horns with Isaac, dogboe uh in the 12 round Showdown for the vegan interim WBO featherweight World title Saturday, um co-feature Puerto Rican, Sensations, Xander, zayas, Yeah, what’s your extend his unbeaten record against nine-year veteran Ronald Cruz uh yeah, this one guys start time, 8 P.
M.
Eastern man, I can’t wait to see this one uh.
You know I can’t wait to see.
Uh Xander’s is back in the ring.
It’S more equipment is in the UK.
I could see for me joining you on the streets.
Like I’m sure you can do the maps well in the UK.
That would be uh.
One 1 AM around the world.
Well, you should be supporting him by doing a bit of a time zone check.
I said Eastern I said Eastern Time didn’t I I thought it was a West Coast fight though uh well, yeah start time for this one is 8pm Eastern wow, yeah, okay, uh Main Event remarks.
It will be about 11 p.
m.
Uh yeah Ramirez, and can we uh, went from losing this Pro debut in August of 2019 to one of the divisions top contenders in 2023, uh he’s ranked number three by the WBO and uh.
He had a breakthrough 2022 knocking out Eric Donovan and uh Abraham Nova, uh, so yeah.
I can’t wait to see this guy jump back in the ring.
Uh dogbo, you know, uh has had a rapid Championship rise in the junior featherweight, but he lost his title.
Career momentum with back-to-back defeats uh to Emmanuel uh navarrete, so he’s going to be looking to uh, kick some ass in there for sure.
But honestly, I think the fight that’s going to steal this whole card is gon na, be the zayas 15-010kos.
You know he’s been ticked for stardom since signing with top rank at 16.
uh.
You know 2021.
He had uh six victories setting up a 2022 that saw him graduate to eight rounders uh.
He shut out Louisiana’s uh Quincy levallis over eight rounds knocked out.
Uh durable Ellis, it’s about us in five, so this kid’s been making uh, you know making big waves and then he’s taking on cruise.
It was 18 to them on the 12 Kos in Los Angeles native who’s, never been knocked out as a pro, so this fight is going to be huge um.
I can’t wait to see this one uh also High Tucker is on the card.
Another kid to be watching for tiger Johnson, also another big kid to watch for Jeremiah Milton another undefeated to be watching for on this card.
Abdullah Mason uh Cleveland we’re on this one as well and uh Dante Benjamin Jr there’s some there’s.
Some big names on this card definitely watch these up and comers I’ve been following them: uh card kicks off with uh Emiliano Vargas part of the Vargas clan um.
You know it’s a bunch of undefeateds trying to keep that oh thoughts, anybody that is going to be fighting late May and it’s a toss-up between Warrington and Lee wood at the minute.
Oh wow yeah.
So we’re not sure who’s gon na be.
But it’s like to be the Emmy and Manchester Arena.
Did you see the fact that Jack guttrell’s now signed to match room as well? Yes, I saw that yep great signing brilliant signing yeah.
I think you should pick the comment up from women’s Boxing Channel um looks like my Kilpatrick.
Yes see, you can speak that language.
Why don’t you read it off for us so great Point.
Women’S boxing Journal, England has six of top 11 heavyweights, but let me tell you we should be looking at the future next 19.
Next 19 from the UK matzo is six foot.
Eight machos is a good great fire.
Yeah um see for a 23 year old, 50 4kos, but his opponent beat his opponent in 23 seconds today watch his face.
Yeah yeah I’ve been talking about this kid Maddie for a long time.
Yeah.
Definitely I, like I like him guys a monster.
You know shows dedication, went and got a caravan parked it in his trainer’s, driveway and uh.
You know living and sleeping there just so he can uh.
You know get to that gym.
You guys got dedication, hurt.
You know it’s uh.
It’S unfortunate that it’s that we don’t get to see him fight.
I do think some of his agreement.
I don’t think you’re doing any any favors from your motherland.
You know all these comments about this North America revolution in the heavyweight division yeah.
Some of us across this Bond, it’s it’s coming.
It’S coming, [ Laughter, ]! No, it’s coming yeah! It’S coming! What’S what’s up with uh Tyson Fury, though, what’s the Sugar Hill Stewart thing I’m reading? Oh no feeling is it it’s.
It was over here to train lovinson County.
Wasn’T that yeah and by all the cards and that’s a question: are you trained Tyson as well, and he said no, I’m here to train loving, securing them.
People made a big thing of it um.
It’S nonsense! Nonsense! Nonsense! Um, so out of curiosity, like just out of curiosity, just given the weight that Tyson Furies put on, are We Really Gon na See Him? Do you think he’s put that much on? He looks quite lean to me.
See that’s the thing.
To be honest, let’s be honest, it’s very deceiving, isn’t it because it is never walks around with his seats back, but I think he looks.
I think he looks quite lean honestly he’s such an Internet troll that you can’t believe when those pictures are taken from yeah he’s very good at a wind up.
You know he’s gon na he’s gon na get getting people getting under the skin, playing that media game.
Sure if he posts a picture showing that he’s got a huge beard, we can’t let that picture is from that day, because you know we know he likes to play.
You know play that game.
What would you accept Brian a lot? I don’t want to be part of Zan tonight, but I’m gon na have to be on this comments.
I do putting this side often that we’ve got the best promoters, the best fighters and the best funds in boxing.
Would you go along with that? No, so it was it it would promote as an idea [ Music ].
Well, it depends how you define it better.
It reports the best shows on at the end of the day.
This is a weird discussion, because uh Matthew have taken a very interesting view on who they’re selecting uh for their roster for their stable uh.
But let’s not forget about uh what Bob arum’s doing even uh at Oscar De La Hoya is getting back in in.
In the fight so to speak, he’s actually stepped his game up actually yeah absolutely he’s sure he has and and there’s a couple of youngsters uh in in the midwest as well.
Um uh, that’s uh Salida! Oh, I can’t remember promotions they’re, doing pretty well yeah they’re a smaller company but uh, but but I’m just saying, but you know it’s going to take a while for them to build their rosters, but the talent pool is out.
There is deciding on on who to sign and when to sign them matching right now, if you ask me you’re using what’s called a shotgun approach, you know they’re taking everyone, they can find um go ahead, go ahead, Eddie they’ve! Just let go a few Fighters only like a Coley and broccoli and people like that.
So it’s not that much of a shotgun approach.
Well, there weren’t so many kind words said by watsi on that one, but it’s not going to be his uh.
You know when you bought companies, not very rarely do you do it on amicable turns in in the world of boxing.
Let’S say it’s normally a reason behind it.
Isn’T it? Realistically, though, I mean – and we’ve been saying this for a while – you you take a look at not necessarily the heavyweights, but I was talking.
I was talking to someone in Shanghai the other day, and this blew my mind.
Okay, I’ve been to Shanghai, it’s a big city, but when I was talking to this chap who runs a boxing gym, I said out of curiosity how many boxing gyms are there in Shanghai these days? 110.
110 boxing gyms in Shanghai alone.
So you know when you talk about boxing on a global level, I mean Eddie hearing scratching the surface when he signs this person that person to his roster from England, they may be the best fighters.
They may be the best fighters from England in England, but when it comes to your your global view, you have to take a look at what’s happening right now in Tanzania in Kenya in Uganda they have a really good fight scene going on in East Africa.
Right now can any talk about as we’re sitting here now come on.
We can’t we haven’t got a crystal ball, for the future is a true global promotes, are in in in the most markets around the world compared to other promoters.
If you think it does shows Australia, Spain, you know England, it is all over the place.
Isn’T that yeah? That’S where the Zona to tell them to hold on on that spending, [ Laughter, ], uh! Look! I’M! I’M! I’Ve not complained about Eddie Hearn, okay, ever um, but my point to you is is simply uh.
You have to take a look at boxing as a global Sport and every every single person I speak to around the world on an industry level.
They talk about their gyms, their Fighters their boxers and they don’t get the same media spin.
They don’t get the spotlight uh, they don’t get the same equipment, they don’t have to access the same quality of trainers, but once that begins to be spread out a little bit and the loving uh, the playing field is leveled a little bit with the introduction new Technologies that we’ve been talking about for a long time for two years now, once that starts to happen, and you start to see these big boys uh and girls uh coming out of whether it be uh.
You know I I can’t remember heavyweight ever coming out of Mexico in a I can’t uh, but you know any other division out of Mexico.
Okay, uh you take a look at what’s coming out of the Philippines, I mean we don’t even mention the Philippines.
Half the time, because whenever you talk about Philippines, those Manny Pacquiao, there’s Manny Pacquiao, that Manny Pacquiao gon na fight, Connor Ben yeah, right anyway um, but you have a I was telling Mike this last week.
I said if you go to a shopping mall in the Philippines, in that shopping, mall, there’s going to be a boxing event happening, yeah yeah.
So when, when you talk about you know, Eddie Hearn, promoting this and promoting yeah, he promotes big, shows that attract big audiences.
In the UK, but when you talk about the global nature of box, saying you have to take into account what’s happening around the world in these other countries that you’re not even hearing about.
I am I’m hearing about it, um, I’m looking I’m looking for, for example, just for example, we I’m bragging talk and fight is live streaming event, an event, a boxing event out of the network.
Tomorrow we we, we live stream.
The weigh-in today, uh multi-camera live streamed.
It um produced it here, edited it here, broadcast around the world, had a [, __ ] ton of viewers, fantastic.
I was just that was just a weigh-in so that there’s a boxing event.
That’S happening, uh in the Netherlands, uh that doesn’t get much coverage.
I’Ll bet in the UK, but our numbers went through the roof in Germany, Netherlands and South Africa.
So you know I’m just telling you like you have to take boxing as a global Sport and it’s not it’s, I’m not trying to Discount the efforts of Eddie Hearn.
I’M just trying to give me some context and some balance regard.
I’M not saying you, but I’m saying sometimes there’s an anti-edio metric.
Isn’T there a lot of things? What I can say about Eddie Hearn is is right.
Now he seems to be the only promoter really getting it to me.
Like that’s what I see yeah Global thing, he’s trying to understand.
Ben Shalom does a good job as well yeah yeah, but but he’s still he’s still new he’s new on that stage.
Yeah.
You know he’s been around a long time uh, you know no matter what he says.
Uh, whether people like it or not, you know is, is his voice sticks there, man it’s been seen and he truly is the best at building a fighter.
Do you mean, through the media I mean procedure, I mean we all get to learn about the fights we learn about.
The background you watch Jack capsule now Jack Jack has been with other promoters.
Is now Simon, Matthew and we’ll all learn a lot more about Jack Catherine’s backstory, the Russian albiano coming to boxing? He builds an old narrative around the fighter.
He makes them more human.
Look what he done for Katie Taylor.
That’S one thing: no one can ever dispute.
You know what he don’t.
What he done for female boxing is revolutionized of a female boxing.
Let’S be honest, it was it was at the Forefront of that movement, so I just like.
So I’m not seeing you, Graham I’m just saying I think, sometimes Eddie and I’m not I’m not I’m not the idea in fan club.
I’M just saying that I see it.
I just think.
Sometimes you deserves a bit of a pat on the back.
Sometimes we all do um, but all I’m saying is – and it’s not Point Counterpoint, but all I’m saying is is boxing is a global Sport and there are many up and coming boxers from around the world who are going to take advantage of online media uh build A presence build a following: uh begin to make money uh just for example, let’s just say they: they were lucky enough to sell 10 000 pay-per-view tickets at 10.
Quid that’s a hundred thousand quid in pay-per-view money that they wouldn’t have had before.
That’S all I’m saying like that’s that’s new money because there’s new technology, and that is gon na that is gon na help raise uh the level of training that these Fighters don’t get these days uh.
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the video clips there’s some funny video clips out of I don’t know if they’re intended to be funny or not uh, but there’s some funny video clips out of, I believe it’s either Nigeria or Kenya.
I can’t remember, but they’re they’re, literally in a cinder block building uh with you know, a mud floor and they’re they’re boxing like crazy, like in a really good way, like really are they putting the heart and soul into it, but that is their gym.
That is our gym.
Yeah, I mean that’s a long, that’s a long way to travel into the ground from that from that product to get it anywhere in there ready for a.
If I talk about the UK, that’s where I am getting from that play that Journey to the to the product, that’s ready for a UK TV audience that is some distance to travel, I’m just being honest, yeah yeah, that’s fine, but but look at it.
The other way around I mean if these other countries built their sport industry, as the UK has done, and I’m not using the UK as a model, but given new technology, for example, when I was in Africa, I was blown away how many people had cell phones? Okay, we, you know, we racially, might look at Africa and go what a poor Nation, but no every single person had a cell phone and and when they’re, when there were fights on TV, they would gather around and they’d watch on someone’s iPad or laptop.
These guys are just as uh rabid, passionate boxing fans as we are uh it’s just that they don’t get the exposure and right now they don’t have access to the appropriate um, either training management matchmaking, even the Health Care system.
So how did that change? Well, I I okay in the short term, it’s going to technology is going to change it I’ll give an example uh the fighter who does uh one of our shows.
What’S his name David or Julie, yeah he’s out he’s out of South Africa, but he trains in Germany and he’s going to be fighting in on that show in the Netherlands tomorrow right so he’s had to travel from South Africa to Jersey and to fight in the Netherlands, so that’s that I can’t imagine how much that would quote: unquote: cost because he’s paying it himself he’s not signed to anybody, and that’s just one example.
But if you multiply that by how I mean I mean, I don’t think there are enough immigration visas in the UK right now to handle or accommodate the number of young boxers that are out there, both male and female, who would prefer to fight.
I bet realistically to prefer to fight in the UK just simply to be recognized not only by the media but by the Professionals in the business.
But that’s what that’s the other point to this, and there are some other professionals who are coming out of the states.
Uh, quite frankly, and now in Toronto as well, Toronto is a big city um and when we were when we real rebuild our infrastructure, you’re going to start seeing some top quality fighting material come out of Toronto as well you’re, seeing it you’re, seeing it a fringe.
Uh in Montreal because of uh GYN um right, yeah you’re, seeing at a fringe element there, they do get their Montreal boxers out there, but they tend to lose an awful lot, but they do get them out there um.
So you know I mean I mean tron’s about four million odd people.
So it’s a relatively decent sized city.
It’S got enough gyms, it’s got enough professionalism in it.
It’S got the business savvy.
It’S it’s getting ready, it’s not quite there yet, but it will be.
But then you take a look at Chicago and you take a look at the stable of Fighters that are available right there in Chicago.
That’S a huge City uh! Oh, I haven’t even mentioned Detroit.
I mean I I actually, I think that’s where Dimitri Salida is, though, Graham we are very different in terms of what how we perceived boxing event Hardware in terms of North Americans in Europe, because in the UK a baby view card comes on at seven o’clock.
Not everybody, but the majority will ever be sit down and watch the show through till midnight.
I’M reliably informed in in the US that a few figures suggest nobody even watches the undercard and also in the stadium.
You can see it until the main event comes on and then all of a sudden it starts filling up yeah, so you’ve got that to overcome as well.
Haven’T you changing mindsets? Absolutely and no one’s disagreeing, I’m I’m say I’m agreeing.
That’S part of the process.
Yeah uh, because here um, like in England like elsewhere, there are other uh ways to spend your time.
So am I gon na go follow the the rugby league, the cricket league, the ping pong League.
You know it’s where, where just just for accuracy purposes, but I’m I’m, you know at the end of the day, it is a mindset thing and I think if you take a look at the the cycle of Combat Sports, you know you had your Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier days um, you know slightly uh, you know Mike Tyson 90s kind of days, but in between you have the WWE launch.
You know, then, when it was found out it wasn’t a sport, it was entertainment.
Then you had the UFC come into play with a real Combat sport, okay and that doesn’t even take into account what the ages and Asians think of Combat Sports, whether it be karate, Judo or any other sumo wrestling whatever.
But at the end of the day, then boxing took a backseat to UFC.
So now I think in this day and age, when you see what is happening in boxing from a very professional level, you see it, you see it has the rules that are in place.
The tradition that’s in place the history it’s in place, uh, I don’t think, there’s enough managers out there.
I don’t think there’s enough trainers, there’s enough gyms, but in terms of uh defined quality, trainers, people who would be paid a lot of money.
I mean when we start talking about Trainers for AJ or Tyson Fury.
We pick from a handful of trainers, you know, and there should be.
There should be a lot more trainers than that um.
You know anyway, so when those problems get solved and they are being solved uh, it’s growing quite organically as a sport, uh, there’s a lot of in America there’s a for example.
Sheila Stafford and her husband for Quan just got an award program by the way very good.
They just got an award given to them by the House of Representatives um Parliament uh in America, for their efforts.
You know you don’t need to explain this like Parliament.
Thank you, but for those people who might not have known um, but they got they got, they got a a recognition from the House of Representatives given their efforts to take kids off the street yeah and put them in the regimented boxing programs and that’s the benefit Of boxing right now, that’s being recognized by the Americans, it gets kids off the streets gives them uh.
You know something to do the focus absolutely and and and we can go on yeah.
I draw parallels with the UK as well.
We’Ve got similar issues on our streets in the UK, as you probably know, and it’s clear that you know where there’s a boxing gym it reduces reduces offending by.
I believe it’s some, I can’t remember the percentage, but it comes down to funding ground.
Doesn’T it, unfortunately, it comes down to who’s, picking up the tab, correct, correct you know, and and from experience you know, we we can tell you that when um the government, so, for example, the government withdrew its funding of boxing do a guy by name here.
Uh named Ken Ken Hayashi and during his reign of terror, which lasted 10 years uh, you know you, you you, over in the UK, have the benefit of the real support of the government from the from the ground up.
Okay, it enables you to truly take uh.
The amateurs to a different level, okay, uh – we don’t have that luxury.
So what what we’re? Finding, though, is that a lot of Fighters um who are fighting choose to fight because they enjoy the fight they’re, not they’re, not being forced into it, uh right.
So it is something out of passion and that’s what I’m seeing more and more locally uh.
But let’s sidestep that issue for a sec, the sheer size and and volume uh that the Americans can produce when they actually Churn it and start that sorry.
My phone just went off and I wanted to make sure it wasn’t going to start ringing in the background.
But when they started when they start churning amateur to professionals, when the Americans start doing that, because I mean look what happened during the second world war when they turned on the Jets and they started churning out gi’s.
You know next thing, you know we’re invading Normandy and you know, and if I’m, when the Americans choose to do something but hey we’re gon na we’re gon na be on the moon in a couple years, really yep when they choose to do something.
I’M telling you it’s game over, but right now the Americans truly are they’re focused on football, basketball, baseball to a lesser degree hockey and, to a lesser degree, I’m going to call them Fringe Sports, but at least not handball.
But but realistically boxing is climbing in popularity.
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