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EPISODE: Episode 1
Join Natalie Sugar Brown in this fascinating episode of The Sugar Show on Talkin Fight. This week’s focus is “Bare Badness,” a deep dive into the varied approaches to Women’s Boxing. We’re looking at the cross-influence of fighting styles like Bare Knuckle, Grappling, and Street Fighting, and how these diverse techniques have shaped the landscape of Women’s Boxing.
In this in-depth discussion, we’ll examine the evolution and commercialization of Women’s Boxing, understanding its industry’s dynamics, and how these changes have influenced the sport. As we unbox the different fighting styles, we’ll delve into the strength, resilience, and strategic mindset they bring into the ring.
So, whether you’re a boxing enthusiast, an aspiring boxer, or a curious onlooker, this episode is bound to leave you with newfound insights into the riveting world of Women’s Boxing.
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Transcribed
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Thank you, hey y’all, hey! I know I am so late like I’m half hour late, but sugar is here and I’m glad y’all are here too uh.
Listen! I they.
They tried to tie me up tonight, but you know I always got to free myself up for my Misfits that chime in hey y’all, hey this, your sugar here Natalie sugar brown, to be exact – and this is my platform where we we have a conversation about women’s Boxing, yes, women’s boxing, the industry right, the actual practicality of it, the actual fighting and the shenanigans that happen in between yeah.
This is where we speak it right.
We shoot it right from the hip, where I’m loyal to the truth.
Okay – and we want we want, we want to talk that game right, um, I’m for those who are new, I’m Natalie sugar brown.
I am a woman pugilist.
I haven’t taken any contracts lately, but yeah I’ve been in there.
This is it’s been my life ever since I was a young girl, and this is my platform where I share the stories – the insights, the perspective of a woman boxer about things.
You know about life about women’s boxing about what’s happening out here and the opportunities that we have to behave badly, so yeah um.
I already got somebody chiming in women’s Boxing Channel.
I says howdy Duty well, howdy Duty friend, hey friend, thanks for chiming in tonight’s topic.
Uh the title is: bear Badness beer, budness, okay and um, the discussion or the talk and and I’m so happy um women’s Boxing Channel chimed in because women’s Boxing Channel um has a bit of uh real estate in the topic tonight that we’re talking about um.
So women’s boxing, uh and and the styles that have evolved into what we have now, which is a a commercialized product of um, what it was before and what it means for our industry now that it’s been a bit watered down.
So so I’m a lovely assistance here, um with they in sorry a part of being backstage is things I things got real Behaving Badly back there I said: listen, you can’t we.
We can’t be talking that talk back here right.
We got a show to do so.
My guys are always chimed in are always present in the background here on talking fight and um.
Well, let’s share the first: let’s share the first um image.
What we got talking about now? Okay, so this image right here, I’m starting off with it because um in a sense uh.
Historically, this is what was known about commercialized uh version of women boxing or women Behaving Badly.
Okay, as you can see, there are spectators in the background.
Okay, now check this out y’all.
This is this is this is when it started being like uh a way for for someone for us women behaving that behave badly to bring in some cheddar, okay, so they’re standing there, they got the skirts on.
They got the the booties on, but what’s missing, they ain’t got no shirts on.
Yes, so very much like the men.
The women got in there bosom and uh stance was pretty much Clear hands up and they there was no uh three minute round or whatever.
It is they kept going just like the males did until somebody couldn’t go: Nomo, okay, so it you know the the the feminine savagery.
I was real back then right um.
Now in the commercialized version you know you have two minutes to go.
Then you get to rest in between this is women’s boxing and then you go again for another two minutes and you you go no longer than 10 rounds, so you’re, okay, back in the day here, are boxing great great grandmothers um.
They were doing it until somebody couldn’t do it.
No more, like I said, and um oh host Chimes and hey WBC how’s everything with you, okay, so um my host are we we want to know what was going on with you women’s Boxing Channel.
I like how you chimed in last week, and I know that you, like I said I want to share.
I get a little um real estate um in in our subject topic tonight, um the baroness right, so they there were bare bosom and, as you can see, also there’s nothing on their hands.
Okay, so, but and at this time um some were some fights were on the ground and then they, but they ended up standing back up and it was you know they used their nails, they used their teeth.
They pulled hair right, real, real bad behavior.
When was Boxing Channel comes in, it says all cool here guys thanks for asking okay good glad that you and glad that you’re doing good on uh women’s Boxing Channel, and I’m hoping you know, I come join in on a conversation.
Um uh women’s Boxing Channel, says hope you are too talking fights, okay, um, so there’s a whole side.
Conversation.
Let let me let y’all live while I, while I live here on the um on the screen, so you guys see okay, no head! There’S there is, I mean, Bear right, no, no wraps no shirt right.
What they had on were their skirts and their boots um, and while the spectators were watching, so you tell me if that isn’t behaving badly and it’s it’s in some of its purest form.
You know what I’m saying um.
Do you think, do you think in the times of now, as conservative as as our grandparents and stuff used to be, can you imagine, like I, I my grandmother, Ruby Scott? She had a she like.
Ruby had another side to her, but she had this side where you know you could you can’t say curse words around and she can and can you imagine that the type of talk that’s being talked in this room uh back uh in I think it’s as far As at the 1700s right, these ladies were Behaving Badly like this in the 1700s we in the 2000s now okay, so we true, we not new.
Okay, we was.
We were right up under our male peers.
Okay, um, I’m saying that to say this: the commercial and goodness.
That seems to be my phrase now.
The commercialized version of this um has really watered down the intensity of what what was selling even in the smallest fraction of it back in the day, uh, where our great great grandmothers of boxing were behaving badly.
I mean you, can I mean, look look at The Spectator.
This is a sketch right, so I suppose the person who was sketching it wanted you to capture the real vibe in the feel of the room.
Okay, um and people were intently.
Looking in on the action.
Okay, it had to be entertaining and it had to be something that was worth their while in their time for them to gather and do this so uh money wise.
That’S why I say this is the first commercialized effort for women’s boxing and and the start of it evolving right, because women fighting where it was, I mean I’m sure there are stories you you’ve heard stories where women dress up as men uh to to join battles And things like that, Jonah barking them right, but we failed to hear that where they fail to transfer the stories of women who just behaved badly, right and and those who people wanted to see even uh back in the 1700s.
When we didn’t think it was a thing when it wasn’t licensed, you know what I’m saying: um women Boxing Channel comes in talk about nothing, but bird naked tops but listen.
The tiggle Bitties was out.
Wasn’T it okay? Now, listen, I would say some some people out.
There might appreciate this version of the story right and and and and may maybe flexible to this attire.
Coming back.
Who knows I’ve? I’Ve been to some I mean I’m not going to tell on nobody, but I have been to some underground joints where the titty pop out right – and I mean that that is you know, that’s the that’s a extra cherry on top right people throwing that money, people, Betting more right, that’s the excitement of it right and it’s not um.
I mean I don’t look at it as being um.
I don’t see it as a derogatory thing, but I’ve you know I.
I still have spirited uh discussions or arguments with my own mother about Behaving Badly right um, because there are thing I I am.
I am abroad, I’m a crone right.
Who’S been abroad, who’s been a uh, a gal, a wet back who has gone there right throughout.
My throughout my experience as a woman on this Earth, I have been a woman who behaves badly.
Okay and my own.
My mother still doesn’t understand me and she still doesn’t understand that part of it, and she doesn’t understand that.
I am actually I’m I’m proud of it right where that a woman fighter pugilism used to be something that was very, that that was very derogatory.
You know you didn’t want to.
You didn’t want anybody to know that.
That is something that you do, or you know are doing um so where it is right now is I back in the 1700s anything goes right.
You didn’t have to get a license.
It was depending on who’s who’s spot.
The rules were depended on whose spot it was that you were fighting in okay and protection, licensing sanctioning all of that stuff didn’t exist right.
How did it survive? How did it survive this long, we’re in the 2000s? Now I mean 2020s now right and women are still behaving badly and people still want to see it right.
Um, lovely assistant, the next image, please all right, so we’re starting off these women are bare knuckle Fighters.
Okay, um lovely assistant, I’m just gon na – was it look at the next image? Okay, you could see where now these women they get to it in there right, no gloves on just wraps and not even wrapped, between the fingers right.
Wrapping between the fingers means that there’s protection on the hand and the knuckles protection for for you, the fighter, because each each knuckle is supported and um.
They say more so.
Protection against head injury for the the the Oppo or or for the opposition women’s Boxing Channel comes in and says it could be argued that it’s a peculiarity that women’s boxing began at its toughest when it first started, probably in the Coliseum in Rome or Greece.
Right and that’s the that’s the probably that I’m talking about that’s women Boxing Channel, that’s why I started off with that image, because I tried to still like I tried to find out.
I tried to find some historical pieces of the puzzle of when this thing really started as a like, as as an organized thing for entertainment and to make money um for women right um back in Greece and stuff, I maybe maybe some of the gladiatrics were known.
Um as gladiatrics hand-to-hand, uh combat uh artists and they got paid, but the most of the most of the substantial stuff that or ingredients that I would put together for the evolution of it being a business right.
A business even for a woman was around the 1700s yeah um, so women’s Boxing Channel comes in and says since there, since then it’s steadily become more civilized comparatively the way the world’s going.
The winner will be decided on, looks by 2035.
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I mean you made that that’s an outstanding point right, because that’s why that really is the discussion tonight.
Women’S Boxing Channel, where is it going to end up right at 2035, is only close to 10 years from now.
It’S not I’m 10 years went by like that.
For me right and time flies, so where are we going with this um women’s Boxing Channel says you know referring back to uh their last statement? Uh, it steadily became more civilized, so my thing about it is civilized fight, because I saw that you know civilized action.
Civil but Silver Bay, when we think about it, I utilized fight.
I suppose a civilized fight would be a debate right where you would sit down and both people would civilly Express their points of view and their perspective, and hopefully they come to an agreement.
At the end of the uh debate or the um, the the encounter right – and that would be a civilized way to fight but civilized fighting ain’t for everybody right so now we’re there making it more civilized civilized civilized.
The most of us like for the most of us – I I I wouldn’t maybe in certain things why I eat with a fork now, but I eat, and I eat with my hands sometimes right and the uncivilized people before Cutlery was invented, would eat with their hands Right so I tend to revert back a lot right where most of us do so when it comes to fighting, I would say we have to keep an element of the uncivilized dimension, so we can maintain the the the Crux of it.
We can maintain the the um the heart of it right, because at the end of the day, what that, what it? What is the fight? The fight is the escalation of the verbal debate, debate right.
It started off, I said a you say, B or whatever and then huh this starts it right and either you can have it on your hand.
You can have something on your hands.
If you have something in your hand, right, they, they use swords, they use hammers, they use it.
Well, we stuck to hands right so um we can’t take it.
We can’t take that element away right.
The hands.
Your hands are a big part of the decision of making decision, of who, the better person or the better woman is and with the hands yeah y’all listening sugar.
I used to I used to have my nails long for for a stint um when I was fresh off.
You know when I was fresh off of really training.
I grew my nails and I filed them and I realized how long and pretty my nails could grow because in uh becoming a woman in the sport I was never allowed to grow.
My nails, I couldn’t get my you know how these girls get their long nails and everything that wasn’t any, that you know.
That was something that a a regular, broad or a regular gal would do.
But because now I’m a woman behaving badly and I have to keep up with the culture I had to keep my I kept my nails, low right and, and it felt good for a while when I grew them out and all of that stuff.
But now here we’ve had and we’re back at square one right, y’all know what, if the nails are gone, y’all know what sugar’s doing she hit that bag up a little bit right.
I couldn’t keep.
I couldn’t keep it out.
My system, um women’s Boxing Channel, says civilized in the sense that, as time goes by, the etiquette will dictate how Fighters need to act without outraging, the public and therefore the judges, and that’s what I’m saying outraging the public right um I mean there are certain societal Standards now that I guess would outrage the public, but we still skate the line of made of being uncivilized when it comes to fighting because fighting in in fighting right, even animals.
When you see animals, do it ain’t? No, do you? Do you see anybody in the force or anything? A thing is a thing right.
Making up any rules.
I saw uh.
I saw a big ass dragonfly fight, uh a toad the other day.
Yes, because I’m I I spent some time out in the country – and this is a dragonfly – the toad came up and tried to eat the dragonfly, but the dragonfly had some muscle like it was a big one, so he didn’t get in he.
You know a a a frog would go like that and then in one gulp the dragonfly is gone dinner.
The dragonfly braced, the wings widen was like nah buddy, not tonight, and they went at it right.
Instead of even just flying away the Firefly I mean the the dragonfly was government with the toe the the toad, the animal.
So I I made.
I brought that in to say this: when were there when were there ever rules in the fight and when were when, when was a fight ever really fair right? So that’s why I I talk about now the evolution right.
I think fighting May evolve right because we used to fight to the death right and and uh.
They stopped that you can’t you can’t fight until somebody dies.
We got ta, we write, so I think that there’s that part of it is is civilized right.
We we don’t, we, we don’t want to kill nobody right and we don’t want nobody to die, but right rules now that, I would say, is a contribution to evolving into the different styles and what’s gon na win.
What’S gon na give you success and what’s going to bring you the abundance right and the abundance, meaning onlookers and money and notoriety, which is I mean at the end of the day? That’S the real prize right.
You want people to know who you are.
I behave.
I’M the baddest and I’m or I’m one of the baddest that behaves the baddest right.
Um women’s Boxing Channel says there is currently three tiers to women’s boxing one, the Learners, two, the Lookers three, the bangers at the top women’s boxing also says.
Sometimes there are crossovers where all three can be matched.
We see it way too often, and women’s boxing says they each have their appeal yeah.
I feel you on what you’ve said, um and and that’s where I am with it now we’re now.
There’S only three tiers.
Can you imagine when I first started there were no there you, you weren’t, going cataract, categorize anyone, so everyone had a fair chance to win you over right when, when you saw two broads in the ring you’re looking at them as hmm these two they it’s about To go down because the fact that no one does this and they decide to climb through the damn ring and do it in front of everybody in this building and do their best at it with that’s, that’s a tear.
You know that that just makes it right and then, as the sport evolves, you start seeing where some of the women understand that I may not be in here and the best fighter, but I got these tiggle bitties, I’m going to show them to everybody.
That’Ll! Look at them right and while I do that almost beat up who I can beat up so now in the evolution of this whole thing, I can make money.
This is my selling point.
I can make money these.
The girls can make me money and, while I’m entering into something that um, that that is fairly easy, fairly easy to be a part of right, because you don’t you didn’t have to back in the times you didn’t have to have any type of formal training to Behave badly to fight you didn’t have to have a license.
You didn’t have to have MRI, you didn’t have to have no tests.
What no blood tests you didn’t have to be.
They wasn’t checking if you were pregnant or not.
You could just show up and be and and and be, the baddest of whoever else shows up right because the purse went to whichever broad or whichever Chrome or woman made it to the end.
Sometimes they they did.
A round robin where several women were fighting and it’s the woman who went who, who makes it to the end, is the one that gets the cash pot.
The purse the purse right – and this is a funny one – that I um a funny lore that came across when when I was doing a little bit of um searching for this show, the purse idea actually came from women Behaving Badly.
Women who were fighting so it started off where you would hold the purse right.
You had your purse, you had the purse in your hand right and they’re fighting and whoever dropped their purse was the loser and whatever it is whatever money that she had in that person out goes into the other, the Winner’s purse, and then the winner.
Okay would fight, whoever else is in line right because they had their purse too filled with money and whoever dropped that purse.
So if the winner of the last fight, who has two purses now well, two two amounts of money or two uh, you know has one the fight and she has that amount of money in her purse and she loses against this next broad.
Then this next broad, who just beat the one with um two purses worth of money in her purse, gets all that money put in her purse and it went on and on until the the baddest broad left with all the money in her purse.
I think that I mean I, I think that’s that’s kind of fly right, the the idea that was – and I believe it like it – makes sense men don’t carry purses right.
So the the the the the idea of a purse and and this concept now makes total sense.
It connects now because there’s a culture right so that purse, whoever whoever could hold on to that purse at the end of it all wins.
Okay, um and the thing about the evolution now of Behaving Badly lovely assistant put the other image up, um right each.
Have this the I’m I’m putting this there, because this is a part.
This was a part of it.
So these women here are grappling okay and apart.
Grappling is a part or an art of the stand-up fight that, I would say, is lost, especially in women’s boxing.
Okay, I I know how to Grapple uh hand.
I know how to stand up grapple, uh and, and I was taught that coach Yugi uh over in Japan taught me um my my initial coaches, the um coach Johnny taught me um.
Just all of I.
I want to name all the names.
I really I don’t.
The reason why I have named those two is because you know they they are Pinnacle in the story right, but everyone to a certain degree, all the men, because all I’ve ever had was men.
Coaching me old school men taught me how to Grapple and taught me the importance of grappling in the stand-up fight, and this not this ain’t, no MMA type of thing.
This is why you used to see people used to always ask why do Fighters? Why are they always hugging? They they hug a lot.
They hug, it wasn’t hugging.
It was grappling right um, so just giving I’m I’m just going to make a point for the um previous slides that you know that, starting off with the bear, the the bear uh beginning right, where no shirts nothing on our hands.
We we raw we’re bare.
Okay, um this sport had become illegal as a matter of fact bare knuckle boxing over here now in the West in the in America, North America um had been illegal for about 125 years right, so they made it illegal, and I don’t I know for sure they Didn’T make it illegal because people were getting hurt, I know that they made it illegal because you can’t keep up with it and Uncle Sam love to get a cut.
Now, if Uncle Sam can’t get his cut ain’t, nothing going on they’ll shut that [ __, ] down or he’ll shut it down right.
So there were a lot of underground backyard.
Bare knuckle bar all of these uh combat for entertainment going on and it could not be accounted for right because you, you don’t know who’s got having one right were they going to send the cops right and there had to be a way to um there.
There had to be a way to regulate it, so in order to regulate something, what do you do? The first thing you do? Is you make it illegal right, you take it away from people or you take it away from whoever right I’m a mom.
So I break it, I mean I I just always: can you imagine having a fighter for a mom, I mind you, my child is spoiled to the to the to the ex to the furthest extent.
Okay, my child is spoil rotten, not a rotten child but spoiled right, but imagine now having a mother.
So I, with certain things I had the understanding of what it meant to regulate things right.
So if it’s playing with toys, I take it away first and it stays away right for a while, and then I introduce it back and say um you could play with this, especially that damn video game y’all.
Let me know man that was a battle with between me and the video game as a mom and and my child um they they would that’s what they live for video game, so I had to regulate it right, so you’re not allowed to, and so I introduce It back with um, you know some contingencies.
You can do this if this this this, if you do this this this this, so when my child came to me mom, can I play the game? Did you do this this this this? Yes? Well now you are licensed to play uh this game for the weekend, but after the weekend you have to get another license, meaning you got to check all the boxes, so you can do it legally in with Mama’s rules right, not to say that I don’t know With his little slick self that he may that that my child may have snuck and played the game when I wasn’t around, which would be illegal right, but there’s nobody around to tell the tale, and if I wasn’t there, it didn’t happen right.
So this I I I’m connecting that to this right.
There had to be this.
This was the the demands way of regulating bad behavior for entertainment, okay, so now um you’re, looking at some women grappling and uh, I mentioned that uh fighting, especially bare knuckle, was illegal for had spin illegal for 125 years now you can get licensed and when you Have a license to do it.
That means you’ve paid fees and you’ve paid fees to organizations that work for Uncle Sam that would be over here in over here in the west.
I know over there in Europe, the E, the the E right.
I’M sure that that’s probably the same concept too um women’s Boxing Channel comes in and say I know women Fighters now that do wrestling as a part of their camp um, but the gag is on that the old school women they were doing.
All of that see.
Women were coming.
If you are a fighter, you are a fighter coming from different fights right, so you sign up to be a boxer.
You was doing kid, you had, you were a kickboxer, you were probably a wrestler.
You probably did the um, tough man, tough woman.
You, like you were in it, you were in it, no because we’re civilized right and the it’s evolved to where now A woman has a camp, and she does it in Camp right instead of now putting herself like back in Greece and back in the 1700s, where She was on the job doing that [ __ ] every chance she got right so is there an has it evolved? Let me know: is there Evolution to that? No is it Evolution or just a different way, a different style of it, a different style of of Behaving Badly um women’s Boxing Channel says it’s a fact that bkb bare knuckle boxing, get broken jaw, nose, fists, Etc.
It’S way less dangerous than gloves, and you know upon looking into this this whole thing and and and knowing what’s out knowing by by being a woman who has lived the life right.
I know that you fight with hands, you got ta hit a certain way and you go on do when you fight with hands.
There’S more um probability of you getting cut right of you getting uh things broken because now there’s no padding and as I’ve said previously, the hands are conditioned to be used.
That way I want, I mean I, don’t I don’t think most women condition their hands for the fighting.
My Me growing up or me being groomed in this board.
I think I was probably one the last generation of women who condition themselves in the old way right.
We chopped wood.
We did all of that stuff that the the old school guys men were doing as well.
Right, like we got ready through manual labor, these broads nowadays they’re on the treadmill right, they’re taking wrestling partners and they’re doing all you know, they’re doing all of that stuff and that’s how they’re preparing for fights so um.
There’S a psychological advantage to me where you’ve right, because it’s not just getting fit, it’s becoming conditioned right, becoming conditioned to behave badly becoming conditioned to turn that on right and butcher.
Another person now me on the treadmill my mind is not there me running out at 4 30 A.
M.
You know at certain hours of the night where there’s imminent danger around me helps me turn that part of my mind on right and so now.
In doing that, I am conditioning my mind to be alert right.
My peripheral, my understanding of my environment, where I am where’s, lit, where’s, not lit where the cracks in the road are where they’re, not these things helped me to become aware of danger, and these things now make me more dangerous, because I can take advantage of these Variables now that I’m looking for in a fight, I can, I can um.
I can impose these variables on my opponent and if this person hadn’t been doing like how I was doing they’re not going to have the heart or understand or have or be prepared to deal with the intensity of what that is, what the the pain of it.
The the stress of it, the aggression behind that this is what I’m saying right so as we become civilized, we’re taking the heart and soul out of or, as we become evolved, we’re taking the heart and soul out of what this thing really means right out of What fighting really is right? I we identify with a fighter by their by their heart by their Spirit, by what you know that they went through in order to be prepared for the opposition and that fight that you’re looking at and that’s the entertainment for us all.
Right um, I’m just looking at my notes Here on my phone um, so you know their techniques that people had when they were or the women had when they were fighting their with bare Knuckles.
Like women’s boxing said, you know, uh broken job or broken nose, fists right.
So if I’m hitting you with a glove right, it’s taking away the understanding of.
If I hit you a particular way, a particular angle with my hand, I can then do damage.
I can tear this.
I can cut this.
I can swell this shut right.
I can hit this area where you know the it starts to swell and when it starts to swell the equilibrium now is composed.
It is um compromised right and it’s taking away my understanding of the butchering of my opposition, because that’s what the fight is for.
I have to take you apart, so you know that I’m the dominant one I have to take you apart, where I have to reduce you to your to dust to to your most fragile state.
I have to reduce you there to impose my dominance and to show you that I win and everyone else knows that I win right either.
That or you know I put you to sleep, but I’m going to stop you right and then stopping somebody.
You have to know what makes them tick and what makes them work now.
Those bare knuckle, like women’s Boxing Channel, said it’s about breaking somebody down right like it’s, it’s it’s it it’s kind of like you know when the making love starts to happen, and you you peel off the first layer, so you can see the goodies right bare Knuckles.
So these women they’re more dext, you know, there’s more dexterity in how they Place their shot where they placed their shot.
They’Re they’re, trying to damage more so than knock somebody’s brain against your skull and knock them out right, even with the body shots you’re.
Now you know you have you have an idea of where you’re placing the shots and now what this is gon na do.
So if I’m bare knuckle fighting, which I do understand the concept I know my coaches like even there are certain things that you don’t even see being used anymore right.
I used to have to train in the punching mids which look like mittens.
They look like leather mittens right and punching with the punching mids was a way of conditioning a fighter to fight with that bare knuckle, understanding and mentality, right, you’re, hitting the bag, and it’s a leather bag or it’s a canvas bag.
You know and the leather mitts.
Don’T have the padding of the gloves so now you’re still you’re understanding now how to hit what angle to hit in order to get the shot that you want and practice it on the bag.
Now, when you’re now looking at someone too, because I used to spar not hard, but I used to spar with the leather mitts on right, because my coach and coaches wanted to see.
If I was placing my shots and if I understood how and thankfully in my entire career I never had uh hand injury, my my trainers, my coaches were very, and I think maybe I chose them that word.
They chose me that way.
They were very, very particular about hand, health right.
They made sure that this thing, it’s like you know, uh a racehorse with a broken leg.
What they used to do, they used to put them down, they used to shoot them right, a fighter who has bad hands or who has injured, hands; ain’t, no good, there’s some trainers and coaches who used to drop a fighter at the dropper.
If the Fighter’s hand got hurt, because now it’s a lame fighter, um, let’s see if anybody chimed in um women’s Boxing Channel, says glove Impact over time – does real damage to the brain, unlike bare fists right, because that glove as I’ve explained before is essentially now an Added weapon, it’s an added tool to the evolution of the combat right, but is it is it? Has it evolved now right because now we’re not thinking about the actual art of striking we’re, not thinking about that now we’re thinking! Oh, the gloves are on them hit hard.
I’M gon na hit hard, I’m swinging and a lot of people don’t even know how to use the glove.
You know what I’m saying back in the right.
I talk about uh.
I talk like a oh I’m, an old lady in this.
I am right, but back in the times right when they used the glove they used to glove you up and there were lace gloves, I’m not sure if they’re using lace gloves now in in professional boxing but use delay, they used to say lace them up.
So you’d have something like you look on your shoes and the shoelaces would be right here right, there’s something called what glove rash that used to be used in the fight right.
They tape around.
But you still had an area where you can rake somebody right, and that was a part of the fight that was a part of the fight.
If you inherently got rashed yeah, you know, maybe you should train expecting to know that you know you’re gon na get rashed and you you do what P you you now there’s a technique.
You learn the technique, so you can defend yourself from that right.
Uh.
You know they’re using 10 ounce gloves um.
I fought in the lowest.
I bought an eight ounce gloves the lesser the the smaller weight.
Sometimes they fight in six ounce gloves, you know, and the six ounce gloves are closer to the mitts would be closer to you know having that bare knuckle effect, except for you know, your hands are uh wrapped with gauze and tape under or within the glove too Um that fighter margarito really um really put a dent or or really made an impact on the sport.
Where um I forgot his first name but margarito.
That was, I mean that he was a a killer at the time because he his coroner or his his hand.
Man would wrap his hands with the gauze and the tape in such a way that it was like he had a cast on yeah.
So it was hard as a cast much like y’all hear about that old um.
The the old lore about okay check the hands because they used they used to um roll that roll, that roll of Dimes in with the fighters raps and now they’re, hitting you getting hit with a roller die with a roll of coins or a roll of Dimes.
Every time you get hit right, so these are variables that got added right.
We we’ve evolved from bear in women’s boxing right to where now, there’s gloves right now, no one’s thinking about the long term uh result of using these gloves no one’s understanding.
What the gloves have now taken away from the style and the evolution of the industry.
These things are important in women’s boxing, because that’s the entertainment aspect, you watch the WNBA right girl, women.
I think they just starting to dunk.
Now these little youngins now right, I’ve seen some girls dunking, but before it was more so the skill of it that kept people interested right, we’re skill based we’re skill based and we’re emotional based in women’s boxing right.
But when you had the occasional woman that was skill based had the emotion and had that thunder clap you you had, you had now some an edge right that Thunderclap was the edge that would make you more money.
Now you’ve evolved the game because now you’ve added that the potential of that happening to your purse right, uh, lovely assistant, can you change the image women’s Boxing Channel says I got the UK’s first ever license for Bare knuckle boxing.
I proved that it is a mixed, martial art to get it.
Okay, that’s interesting.
Uh women’s boxing channels said it was 2014 when they got uh.
The UK’s first ever bare knuckle boxing license so like after it being illegal.
For so many hundred years, women’s Boxing Channel became the first to get it back.
Legal, okay and the way women’s Boxing Channel got it back leg.
Legal now is to prove that it’s a martial right.
It’S civilized Villa right because you can see the Arts in it.
The different Arts right, what is bare knuckle boxing? It’S bare knuckle boy right.
What bear? No! It is what it is.
It’S it’s still that archaic thing that we used to do so now, um women’s Boxing Channel.
Let me know, since you have uh did, was it a promoter’s license or were you a bare knuckle boxer? What part did you play in um this aspect of boxing um women’s boxing came in before and said uh.
It was the 10th of October 2015.
that they got the um the the first ever license for Bare knuckle.
Boxing um women’s Boxing Channel now comes in that says before that it was always in the Bales underground and was a sport started by my son.
Andy, okay, see, Google Andy was a kbk fighter or sorry a bear knuckle.
I think you might have gotten the the um.
The acronym mixed up, you tell me Andy, your son was a bare knuckle.
Boxer is that is that what and you know what that, if that’s the case, Andy should just end, do they respect Andy? That way does do they give have they awarded Andy or acknowledged Andy.
For doing that, because I mean that’s: that’s pugilistic um history.
Right he’s! He’S he he made a he made a mark in in our industry, so he needs to be acknowledged for that.
Um women’s Boxing Channel says before we started it as a sport.
It was futile by Gypsy Travelers.
You see what I’m saying right and from what I understand the word gypsy is considered derogatory yeah.
I didn’t.
I didn’t know that you know uh and I I hate to keep saying it, but who were known as gypsies were not the classiest people right.
They were.
They they were looked at as the lower level of society and so um.
They were doing it right, the uncivilized and then it turned around and became civilized and then other people it.
Then then it became something that everyone um started.
Doing.
Isn’T that something um? So look at this image here.
These are some more bare knuckle, ladies, who are keeping the culture right, and I love this picture because you could see the grappling in this picture.
You can see that they’re still using the techniques that we don’t want to to disappear in their in their art, um, the grabbing.
So the you know the grabbing behind the head right and then the other girl she she’s now um.
I forgot what it’s called coach Yugi used to have me: do it all the time right and that’s for when they come close and it’s in the clinch? I forgot I’m um goodness.
What is that called again? Somebody who knows come on chime in because I’m I don’t even know how to Google it, and I know I it you know if you ever had something like that.
You know it’s.
It’S just on the tip of your tongue is, like you know the word, but you can’t say it because you don’t you can’t remember it, but the word is here: it’s the same thing here right, so coach, Yugi used to have um used to have me.
Do that and then used to grab me behind my head and you know, I’d have to find a way to get out of it and that’s what I used when I was being held or I was in a clinch and when you look.
This is why I have a that.
This is why I, I call it toddlers eating spaghetti when these new broads are fighting, because when they get in the clinch, they don’t know how to come out of it and they don’t know how to fight in the clinch, which is what you’re getting paid for.
You’Re supposed to know how to do that right, that’s supposed to be something on your resume.
I do this too.
That’S why I’m on here and that’s why I make so much money entertaining you to do this.
They’Re, not the ref, comes in and breaks them up like it’s a damn amateur fight we, this is the thing.
This is what I’m talking about.
People think that oh shug’s hard on women.
You know these young broads out here or other women.
No, no! No! It’S because I know what it’s supposed to look like.
I know what it’s supposed to be right and we we want to.
We want to keep the the um we we want to keep it still whole right.
We we don’t want to have a fraction here here here right.
We we want.
We want the standard to have it, it’s um, the the concentration of of what it is that we have learned and earned for these last couple hundred years that we’ve been doing it.
Okay, so you know these These Girls they’re fighting two minutes, that’s fine, but in the two minutes, what are you doing and running and and and just playing tag not exhibiting any skill set walking away playing Dodge playing Dodge in there when you got the women in Bare Knuckles still grappling, you know, the culture is still there.
I invite I would love for a lot of these women who do bare knuckle to come over to women’s boxing and, and you know even out, you know, filter out those that can’t that that don’t know it and can’t cut it.
I look at their views and I look at what they have going on the bare knuckle.
Women actually get more views for their fights or they get more attention for their fighting than women.
Boxers professional women boxers I watch I watch women’s bare knuckle um boxing and I quite enjoy it because I see that I I see the entertainment of it.
You know they show up, they have their personalities.
It’S it’s.
It’S not too different from women’s boxing where either you got a light abroad or not, but it makes you look.
You, like the broad a bit more when you see her skills when you see that she knows how to handle herself with every problem that that opposition gives her and she’s not depending on the rep or the shenanigans of.
What’S going on to save her from a fight right, because when you sign up to fight right, you’re signing your life on the dotted line and you’re signing that dotted line, saying that I know what to do, I don’t need no help.
Y’All just make sure we stay safe, but I don’t I know what to do.
I know what to do in a gravel.
I know how to strike.
I know how to go to the body.
I know how to go to that.
I know how to put combinations together and I got some strategies up my sleeve.
Let the bell ring these Brides, who are getting paid now up to a million hundreds of thousands of dollars there.
It’S to me with what especially the research that I’ve done recently.
I think it’s a raw deal right, like um women’s uh Boxing Channel, says by 2035.
The winner will be based on, looks it’ll turn right back into Dan pageantry, Miss America right, Miss Europe, Miss Miss WBC, Miss IBA, Miss IBM, Miss WBA, right, it’ll turn into a damn pageant, instead of being about Behaving Badly and not sorry – and I don’t even have My water not to say that Behaving Badly will disappear because it’s alive and well in the underground, that’s where it should be John.
I I ain’t in it no more, but I love to watch it.
I should I go right back where, where I started um, I love to go and watch the underground because them the streets right, you see who’s in the streets, you see who’s real in the streets and you see oh okay right.
This is what it really is out here, so it’ll never disappear and the thing about it is it’s more people like it’s more accessible now, because now I mean you got YouTube where you can see, you don’t know where or when it happened, but you can see That it happened right and then now you got Instagram where you could follow your favorite underground fighter right um because like what they did to regulate it back in the 17 16 1700s, they made it illegal or whatever 1800 they made it illegal.
It’S gone back to where you can’t find me and I’m making money right, and so these Underground fights are still making a lot of money and more frequent money than these commercialized fights um so yeah.
I wanted you guys to have a look at this, because I I love these two ladies um are exhibiting a bit of grappling in their bare knuckle fight.
You see one her hands are open right, so there there’s just techniques.
Now, when you have your hand that can you can use in a stand-up fight right and there are techniques that you can use when your hands are in the glove as well right? You have to show up to maybe one of my trainings or camps where I teach some of this stuff you guys, but I’m going to sit here and lecture it on on the show, no we’re having a conversation.
Um women’s Boxing Channel comes in and says Andy set up B, Dash b, a d promotions.
I, like I love the sound of that b, Dash b-a-d promotions.
That’S that that sound good then sold it to a guy who carried it on Andy is ill, oh, okay! So and it – and it’s a lot for someone to keep up the fact that Andy became a promoter of it – also shows that you know he he he contributed to the industry which I’m grateful.
For you know it’s not the best.
It’S not the greatest, but every every job or every business has its dark side right so being a promoter and and getting the first license and getting it back legal, that’s a big uh, that’s a big milestone for our industry and and uh women’s Boxing Channel.
Please tell Andy that Shug sugar here um is grateful for the time and effort that he put in our industry, and I hope that he does.
He lives uh uh as best as he can uh with within his ill state right now you know.
Sometimes we can’t.
We can’t get totally cured, but we can still enjoy our lives uh to the best we can within our ill State.
Okay, women’s Boxing Channel says bare knuckle.
Boxing is now regular at the O2.
Okay, I don’t know what the O2 is.
Women Boxing Channel, you won’t have to break that down for me, but yeah bare knuckle boxing and they took that’s what they don’t fight in a ring.
Neither will you tell me this women’s Boxing Channel.
They fight in a in a in a triangle.
Is this a triangle? Their triangle kind of looks like this yeah right, so there’s a new one, neutral corner and then the other two corners belong to each fighter.
There’S no two neutral Corners right, so it yo ass can be.
Can your back can be in the corner right, there’s only one place that your back can be in the corner, right, no, three places that your back can be in the corner that extra one they take away.
So now you got to think about the footwork.
That’S how you’re going to maintain your distance and how you’re going to um deal with the the um the real estate in this way of a triangular ring, not a square ring.
Um women’s Boxing Channel says sticking hands.
They call it in kung.
Fu.
Hmm, you you talking about the goodness.
What did they call this? It was just I was just about to say it and then it flies out of my like I can’t this is going now.
I’M have to sleep on this, and it’s if I don’t say it, this show I’m gon na have to say it.
The next show y’all but yeah the reason – and I can’t believe I don’t remember the the proper term for it, because coach Yugi used to have me or do it all the time.
I did it so much that I thought I was gon na go crazy, but he had me doing it so much that when it started happening to me when I got in the situation, I wasn’t even thinking about doing it.
I just fell into doing it and so mission accomplished: uh coach Yugi great.
I tell you great great trainers, great coaches, man, right and and me and Coach Yugi.
We we butt heads at time because you know sugar, sugars get choleric.
Sometimes you get the [ __ ], what the [ __ ].
You got me doing this [ __ ] right, but then, like I said when, when I get into the fight or if, if it happens to me even with the men, I know how to I.
I just do it and um.
No, it’s not women’s boxing.
I know you’re trying to help me find it.
Women’S Boston Channel says yes, the hands thing um women’s boxing says: do you mean a clinch? I do it’s.
It’S a form of grappling that you do in the clinch women’s Boxing Channel and I know y’all think I’m doing I’m being silly, but it’s.
This is essentially how you how your hands and shoulders are, and you manipulate now the the movement and the momentum of that inside deal and when you do that now you can hit in between and you can tie the person up so as you’re grappling them you’re.
Striking them short on the inside, oh man, I need to.
I really do need to somebody invite me to your Camp.
I Wan na I wan na coach somebody.
I want to make somebody dangerous because listen, I know it.
I I’ve I’ve gone to gyms and what’s happened or I’ve gone around other Fighters and what happens is their coach um? You know it, you know, Johnny come Johnny, come you know, Monday coach, they don’t know the stuff.
So when I start saying these things, because they don’t know they take their fighter away because they don’t want their fighter to know that they don’t know how they don’t know what these techniques are and really they don’t know the depth of the the training of them To prepare to be behaving badly or in this these this dangerous thing we call pugilism, um women’s Boxing Channel, says: look at the photo.
You got that girl in blue looks like Katie Taylor, Ops.
I know it ain’t, but it really reminds me of her.
Why? Because she got the dark hair Taylor really doesn’t to me.
Katie Taylor doesn’t really have a unique look.
Katie Taylor looks like an an average brunette to me.
Like an average face.
Brunette right, you have some Fighters who’s kind of stick out.
They look a certain way.
Katie Taylor could could look like anybody any broad with brown hair to me, but it’s I’m sorry that that’s just me, I I’m I’m just talking about features wise um.
I I like I just I like the picture women’s Boxing Channel because um both Fighters are exhibiting.
Like skill sets that us women boxers have lost like we don’t know this anymore, we don’t utilize this anymore, and I’m hoping that this comes back to our neck of the woods.
We have women now that understand how to use this within our within our box.
Within our uh, you know our section of the evolution of fighting right to me.
I think that is even an oxymoron, the evolution right um, because, at the end of the day, a fight is the most archaic thing like this.
You, like anything, goes in the fight right, uh women’s box.
Oh you already said it so um, yeah, uh, lovely assistant.
Is there any more did? Do we have any more images right? So I this image also was added, because these are Mongolian women grappling okay, so um, you know, if you all don’t understand what grappling is um, let’s see, let me give you the shushu po-po, the definition.
The actual definition that I find found.
Okay, come on.
Don’T tell me well, of course, um, of course, that didn’t get saved in there.
Okay, all right! Well, I I remember it grappling – is clenching something very hard tightly, um and and and and and and grabbing on, to a problem situation.
That’S what the definition um of of grappling was with regards to fighting that I found now these women here they’re Mongolian women.
You see them in their boots, um.
They have on their traditional jackets for this, but the t-shirts are under the jacket.
I thought that this is an interesting story or an interesting lore about um women Behaving Badly back in in Mongolian culture, okay, so the the story is a woman wrestler once dressed up as a man, as we have to do most of the time to behave badly.
Um and entered an all male competition.
Okay, she uh defeated all the challengers.
Okay then pulled up then um yeah, so she defeated all the Challengers and then at the end, because they thought she was a man.
You know once she got the to the top.
She celebrated by ripping off the vest.
Yes, yes, and when she ripped off her vest.
That’S when everyone realized that she was a woman right, because the girls was just out there like Shawnee, got some tig old bitties right, so it then became a rule.
I suppose, as the fighting evolved, that those the vests that bears the chest has to be worn in all rest wrestling exhibitions to ensure that each participant is indeed male because they didn’t want to break any laws or any rules about women.
Grappling and doing the traditional fighting art of grappling in back in ancient Mongolian times, isn’t that something so like I said you know, women have been we’ve been behaving badly, we’ve been doing it for entertainment for a very, very long time.
As you can see, these women aren’t shy of an audience right and it was always right.
We we couldn’t keep doing it for this long if there weren’t people showing up to watch it so like in Us in in the women’s boxing industry, where we’re still only having celebrity boxers and the actual composure.
You know the of what it is that we do have been so bastardized and and and deluded that we’re not even doing it the way that the people that in in the way that the people were drawn to us initially, you know it it it’s.
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