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EPISODE: Episode 1
Our group of panelists, including champ Tim Witherspoon and author Lou Eisen, provide another weekly roundup of boxing headlines and an array of updates about upcoming bouts and boxers – and share current events and news with the many fans across the world that enjoy the great sport of Boxing!
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Oh yeah, hello, there talking fight fans around the world.
Thank you for joining us once again here on the Friday night panel on talk and fight, we’ve got Lou Eisen in the house.
We’Ve got Neil the deal.
We’Ve got Mike or myself, grumpy, Graham and we’re ready to talk some fight here.
So let’s go boys.
Let’S start off with you Mike.
What are we going to talk about tonight? We’Re going to talk about Joshua, we’re gon na talk about Anthony Joshua.
I think he’s good.
I think he’s gon na get beat by helenius, oh yeah.
I think so too.
Really you should yeah.
I do.
I do I think, he’s gon na.
I think he needs it more than anything like.
Let’S be real he’s going nowhere if he gets beat that’s what I’m saying and you know Wilder won’t take him.
We definitely.
We definitely will be talking to one of his inspiring Partners uh next week and that’s uh Jamie tkv yeah we’re gon na we’re gon na try and get him on the show, he’s gon na try and make some time next week.
So we can talk about the camp and everything after we see what this fight turns out to be this weekend.
Right like this is this is a big one, guys I think Joshua beats when Landing is Beats him early.
This is the last second replacement stopped early in his last fight.
He got Savage yeah yeah, he did I’m Wilder right, yeah and – and that was two fights ago, though okay, but I, but I put it in between yeah like six days ago.
He had a fight with Finland or something uh.
He fought.
He fought back yeah.
He fought August, the fifth against uh Mika uh.
I think it’s milenin uh who’s 6-0 TKO.
So you know that one was uh.
That was a walkover that guy wasn’t much.
I didn’t think of Joshua.
Smart he’ll come out early and attack him immediately, yeah yeah, if he, if he was smart and if he still had what we call the eye of the tiger and I’ve said that many many many times on the show, I think he’s lost it mentally.
I think he’s lost it spiritually.
I just don’t think Anthony Joshua has that Mike Tyson Killer Instinct anymore, you think he’s lost it.
I think he’s lost it and I think I think if Elena’s is smart – and I don’t know about that – but I think if Elena’s is smart, he’ll come out and and and just Savage I’m I’m telling you he looks, he looks he looks Savage right now.
He has tried to do that with wilder and he got caught.
You got ta fight, smart as well, yeah.
True, absolutely one one round, knockout Mike Wilder, knocked him out in the first round, yeah four out of five guys he’s lost four out of five right uh.
His last oh, no, no, no he’s lost he’s lost one out of his last five yeah.
He beat Adam kanicki twice yes, twice yeah, he beat Adam connected one four or five yeah yeah, so the his last fight.
You know August August, the fifth there.
You know that was a that was a warm-up.
You know he wasn’t expecting.
You know it was.
It was to come back after that loss, but then he was also not expecting to step in with Anthony Joshua.
So you know he’s still kind of ready too, which is not he’s really not taking it on last minute.
If you think about it, he’s prepped he’s ready to go.
Uh it’ll be nice for him.
He’S yeah he’s.
Definitely gon na come right out of the gate.
Bring the fight to Joshua and uh use that savageness that he has it.
If he can capitalize on it early um, you know it could be, could be a different outcome.
Yeah.
It was very tentative in his most recent victory over it.
Was it Jermaine Franklin, yeah yeah.
He was very tentative.
He didn’t look good at all.
No, no! I was not.
I was not impressed uh.
You know it takes a lot when you lose that confidence.
It uh, you know some guys, just don’t come back from it and you know: there’s been many many times we’ve seen in the boxing world.
You know guys just they can’t come back from that mental loss.
The best example recently was Juan ma.
Juan Manuel Lopez from Puerto Rico was knocking.
He was like 30-0 with 29 Knockouts yeah.
He got stopped by salido two consecutive fights, and that was it.
He was never the same yep the guy came up and just beat him easily yeah yeah, and I think I think for Joshua.
This is this: is it like if he doesn’t, if he doesn’t come through, if he doesn’t come through the victory uh, you know he’s got to think of something else.
You know he’s made his money uh, you know what go enjoy it spend it.
You know do something else, because honestly you’re not going to be uh well take take a look at what Eddie Hearn even said.
Okay, even Eddie Hearns said, let’s point out the other heavyweights on this Clash of Titans on this night.
Yeah right, even Eddie Hearn is, is deflecting uh media attention away from Joshua and saying hey.
We’Ve got a bunch of other heavyweights in this class uh we’re not we’re not solely relying on the fans to look at the fight between Joshua helenius.
I mean you got: you got her girlfriend McKean uh, you got shizora and Washington Fisher Armstrong.
Top end of this card is the heavyweight battle you know of uh of the summer, really like we’re.
Definitely gon na see uh.
We’Re.
Definitely gon na see this going.
It’S great, if I, if I, if I was to pay money to go for a ticket and and watch it, I wouldn’t be watching.
Joshua I’d be watching these other fights, quite frankly, uh, and even if Joshua wins and and I’m sure, if everyone British watching us is watching us, they would argue with me, but even if Joshua wins, you know, he’s then going to fight Wilder and at the end Of the day who cares, I, I think that’s a very good point, because it’s not Joshua wins he’s got to win, which I think you’re uh implying Graham he’s got to win spectacularly.
So if he pulls out a split decision or unanimous decision which is close.
So what right, then, he fights a guy like like Wilder who’s, not widely widely excuse me respected, and it’s a fight where you go.
Who cares? Why would I pay money to see that right? If you might remember a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned uh what Fury’s dad had said about uh Wilder’s fractured skull.
So, to be blunt and I’ve said this on other media channels as well and got a very interesting response from boxing fans, and that is quite simply if Deontay Wilder has suffered major trauma to his brain.
All it requires is one punch and he is out cold and maybe out for the rest of his life.
You know, honestly, it looks like he’s he’s chosen not to write books later on in his career or even both an interviewer too.
But the you know thing is: it came out, I guess a lot this week, but also a couple.
Last week after the Spence fight with with Crawford Spence’s uh neurosurgeon said that I advised him because that wasn’t his first.
That was a terrible car crash, but he’d had two others and he said I advised him to discontinue his boxing career because he’d suffered irreversible brain damage right and so he said.
Thank you for your opinion and I said it’s not my opinion.
It’S a scientific fact.
I’Ve seen the x-rays, you should not be boxing right and he decided to ignore it, but I’ve known as we all have hundreds of Fighters that have ignored it.
I’Ve only known one particular Canadian fighter who still not happy about it, but was told when he was stretch it out of the ring he was told weeks later.
You have a serious blood clot and if you fight again you’ll die and he retired reluctantly.
So I think I didn’t know if Wilder had a skull fracture per se, but he may have, but he definitely has brain damage uh.
I I was lucky enough to help promote Errol, Spence’s fight in Toronto and he’s not his speech is unintelligible compared to then and same with the Charlos not being rude about them.
But I I don’t understand when they’re talking on TV, even when they’re speaking slowly, I know they have a Texas accent but with Swiss can be tough, sometimes but yeah, let’s be real, it is a little.
I have no clue what you’re talking about and I’ll tape.
It and watch it back and say I don’t understand a single word yeah, and this is where we get into the very heavy issue because uh I I personally think uh just like other professional sports there should.
There should be a concussion protocol in boxing that shared among the sanctioning bodies and is agreed upon and is enforced, so in other words, if a if a neurological surgeon comes along and says, hey, Deontay Wilder, if you got hit in the head one more time, you Could actually die, then I think his card should be taken away from him and he should not why? Because why should we, the fans be allowed to see that happen? You know if someone dies in the ring, we don’t want to see that happen.
Really.
Truly, there’s nothing showing up on constantly right, but unfortunately, the Mobsters that run to sport, don’t care and some of those Mobsters genuine Mobsters work for the sanctioning bodies.
And I I don’t know if a single instance in the 1920s on where, where the welfare of a fighter has been their main concern, I’ve seen a fighter die.
So it’s not a pleasant thing.
It’S horrifying and right.
While they shouldn’t have a license – and you know I mean – but boxers sometimes can go to different state commissions and and get a license.
It’S it’s sad, but when you say the sanctioning bodies, uh look at Terence Crawford within I’m telling you right now.
It’S we’re in seconds yeah, but within the second.
We were second week of August within eight next four to eight weeks.
One of those sanctioning bodies, if not more than one, will withdraw the recognition of him as welterweight champion because they’re all going to want them to defend against a different person Within you know, three months or four months right.
This always happens: they’re corrupt they’re, criminal safety.
You know it can’t be left in the hands of the commission.
It’S got to be, but by state officials or or someone else to say.
No sorry, you don’t get a license anywhere well I’ll.
Just give a quick little example.
If, for example, my neurologist said to me, hey Graham uh, you you might be susceptible to having another stroke, therefore we’re taking away your driver’s license, it’s got nothing to do with the Transportation uh Authority at all.
It’S got everything to do with the doctor saying you cannot drive anymore and that’s what I’m saying in boxing it’s required at that level for the medical authorities to say to a boxer.
You cannot box anymore right, but Ali when Ali had his last several fights.
He already had Parkinson’s and the neurosurgeon told him that one one doctor at the Mayo Clinic said he was fine and then a minute later, he’d been paid off to say that, but by the nation of this land, but other doctors.
He had seen said well.
His speech is impaired, there’s a hole in his brain and he shouldn’t be fighting and you know he still fought.
Even though money makes the world go round, that’s all that yeah! That’S realistically! You know if, if the doctor isn’t going to give you the answer that you want well guess what he’s no longer your doctor, so you know the doctor shop, so you know what I’m saying with all the you know, all all these celebrities and sports people do That, if they don’t get the answer that they want, they buy the answer that they want from the guy.
That’S willing to sign the paper.
It’S sad, but it’s true, and this is the reason why we got guys that can’t you know hold conversations after they retire.
It’S it’s sad.
It is sad and I and I think, uh quite frankly, uh Auntie Joshua is suffering from some kind of traumatic disorder uh.
He just doesn’t have that eye of the tiger anymore.
He just doesn’t have that Mike Tyson Killer Instinct anymore.
I think he’s suffering falling from the Limelight is what it is he’s no longer.
I was gon na say that’s what I think it is.
I think it’s more of hey, I’m not I’m not the Talk of the Town.
Nobody gives a about what I do anymore.
I’M not in the media nobody’s watching me nobody’s looking at my tick tocks nobody’s doing it.
I think he’s just he’s fallen from grace and you know it was.
It was a pretty hard fall.
You know when that guy’s just got your number and no matter what how many times you get in the ring with him.
He whoops your ass, a lot of what you can do.
He kind of fell hard and I think he’s just he’s missing that Spotlight.
What puzzles me is, I don’t know if he has a traumatic brain disorder.
He may very well what most Fighters do uh from the accumulation of punishment.
But when you look at Canadian Jimmy McLaren, who was The Wealth break Champion, he beat 13 Hall of Famers and 14 world champions um when he retired, you know he lost to Barney Ross.
The third fight he had two more fights he’d beat Billy petrol to Fargo.
Express and he beat the great Lou ambers and and so he retires and after about a year later, he’s playing golf with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby and he gets a letter and it’s an offer for like eight hundred thousand dollars to fight Ross.
One.
A fourth time – and he said no, because his manager pop Foster, was also from Vancouver and said to him.
There’S only two reasons for a fighter to fight money and and glory, and the climbing didn’t care about the glory he didn’t like it.
And he didn’t like fighting, but he had more than enough money to last him, so his manager said no point no point to continue fighting you’re already a world champion you’re a multi-millionaire in the early 30s.
Why continue to fight? Why take punishment no reason to and he lived until like eight nine years ago, until his late 90s and he was perfectly lucid, he got out early, you know he got out of his 30s and he was right and he kept his money.
Not everyone.
Ken Norton got out and kept his money, and you know it’s something that boxers unfortunately don’t do and how and the reason they don’t do it, as Ray Leonard said, is how do you walk away from 20 to 30 000 people cheering for you at a time? That’S it well, that’s what I was gon na say guys honestly.
The way I see it too, is that these Fighters kind of extend their careers because they’re entertainers and no matter how you look at it.
They enjoy the fact that there’s 20 or 30 000 people – you know once every three months, four months, six months whatever it is, it becomes sort of an addiction, A Rush of some kind.
A lot of them go a little bit too far with their careers because of money who knows but like again, a lot of these guys should have probably been shelved years ago.
If they had, like Graham, was saying proper doctors.
Uh we’ve talked about how Ontario is compared to Quebec on past shows um and how much the sanctioning here is so much different than it is in, say, Montreal or Quebec, and how the doctors uh treat the fighters here.
Sometimes the fighters, as we all know, don’t like it, but safety’s, got to be rule number one, your health, you can’t replace that, so they they really have to start clamping down on this kind of thing I guess around the globe so to speak because, yes, there Are people that aren’t going to be going home to their wives, kids and families if they can continue and you bring up a great point, you know you bring up, the main thing is people often forget boxing is Entertainment, Sports is entertainment and fans aren’t watching.
Thinking about the fighters, welfare, you know and fighter wants that money and he wants that juice that a feeling he’s still got a family to support too right.
So you don’t really know their whole situation and Montreal still I’m not going to take the criminal jurisdiction, but the rules aren’t the forced it’s not run by an athletic division.
It’S run by the alcohol gaming and Lottery Commission and right people are paid off to go fight.
You know, like I said when that girl Jeanette zacharius died, uh there’s.
No, she wasn’t even novice amateur it it.
You know it would be like one of us tonight.
You know what I’m gon na play for the Leafs this year, yeah and it doesn’t matter.
If I get body checked whatever I’ll be fine and they’ll.
Let me do it, but in boxing you can do that.
Well, she goes up and fights a person who had an amateur pedigree and loses her life and she’d been knocked out many times before and two months before, a neurologist and the report was there in Montreal, they just ignored.
It said she has brain damage.
She needs an operation, she shouldn’t be out, walking let alone fighting and that’s Montreal where it was Neil said in Ontario.
That’S why they say well, look.
I got my Medicals right, but you got to have one now.
We don’t care what your Medicals were a year or two ago.
We need a recent one done here, yeah because we don’t trust yet.
So I have a quick question guys if anybody knows so we’re.
Looking at that fight this weekend, uh, obviously the replacement, because dillian white was uh deemed unfit to fight.
No, no, no, no tested positive in his defense.
He says he has never taken willingly or I’ve been pressed upon to take this drug and Connor same with Connor.
Exactly Ben Johnson, wasn’t he another one? I never took those yeah yeah, but you know what he got sponsored great by cheetah the energy drink, but look look what I think.
It’S Derek jazora who said this week as well uh.
You know he.
He can confirm that.
There’S a lot of boxers, not just dillian white out there and even Anthony Joshua, came out and said during the press conference.
You know he he’s simply not in favor because it risks Our Lives.
You know if there are guys cheating you know so so stop it.
Yeah one guy baby Miller, it was caught cheating three times can Allen’s been caught, science doesn’t lie, no you know you can deny it all you want, but it’s part of this culture we have now where the truth doesn’t exist.
You know 101 equals two.
I say it doesn’t: okay, fine, so these guys are caught.
Boxes have been caught before and they’ll be caught again right.
Yeah honestly yeah well like, like I was gon na, say all these Fighters, as Graham just mentioned, there’s a problem when you got a bunch of them involved in that sort of thing, right and they’re kind of uh performance enhancing drugs, whatever you want to call them And what happens is they seem to get a little bit of an edge? I mean at that caliber what we’re dealing with a world champion boxing, for instance, to get that little bit of edge, they’re they’re they’re falling into the Trap and they’re saying well, other guys are doing it.
Other guys are getting away with it.
You know I got to do it to keep up with the Joneses type of thing and uh in reality.
Uh, you know it’s.
The same thing like like you guys have been saying these.
Are these different sports will go back, you can ask them and they’ll say.
Well, you know, I only did them because everybody else was, and that was the only way I could keep up right.
So unfortunately, that’s just the way it is and like Lou said, I’m sure this has been going on, for I don’t know Lou right, yeah, 100 years.
You know what I mean.
Well, I’m not that long, but as long as there have been performance enhancing drugs, I know uh um, uh, Mayweather, Floyd Mayweather had to pay a lot of money to Pacquiao to apologize because he accused him of it and when they got to the evidentiary stage, he Had no evidence to produce it, he just said I just heard Pacquiao was different because he voluntarily got tested all the time and there were surprise tests.
No one told them when they were so.
Vada was testing him on a regular basis and the test results were available to Mayweather and everyone else.
So people say well yeah, but he went from flyweight to welterware.
You know yeah, but so did Jimmy so did Jimmy McLaren and and so did a lot of, and so did two or three other boxers.
It’S not that it’s never been done before and in McLaren’s time they didn’t have those kind of drugs that they do now and Pacquiao just had more skill, but there was a racial part there because he was Filipino.
They didn’t want to give him credit, so he used his way to denigrate him is to say well, he took drugs, yeah right and he didn’t take drugs, but we know that Conor band did and he makes it worse by lying and continually talking about it.
You know just say I did it.
I was wrong I’ll volunteer to be tested anytime right.
So if there was, if there was a number of these guys guys, what would you think about? Would they ever consider Louie, you think, or Graham Mike uh, bringing these guys in front of a tribunal and have them actually tell the truth? You know what I mean is it would ever happen in boxing.
I don’t think, there’s no point.
There’S no point.
It doesn’t matter, and quite frankly, a really good example would be this week when the WBA uh agreed to support the IBA, the amateur group um, even in the flying face of the creation of the world boxing organization by Team USA team, Canada, GB, you know all The all these amateur federations support World Boxing and yet who does the WBA come out and support the IBA? Yet IBA has been support of all sorts of.
Let’S just call it cheating, slash fixing whatever you want to call it, and, and also you have to realize something about the devil’s standing at all they’re, the ones that took Muhammad Ali’s title away from him and after he beat Sonny Liston, because there was a rematch Clause and they said because you didn’t tell us about it – you were stripping over the title, but he did tell them about it, because if you didn’t get a rematch clause, listen never would have faced Ali to begin with and there’s a meeting which I have in My book of the minutes from the meeting where these and these WBA Commissioners, these weren’t high hats, these, were guys that owned dry cleaning stores from all over the states and this and they were talking about ali now he said: where does a mouthy like that? Get off changing changing his religion, what happens? He think he is and and they injured and they used the N word for listen.
Where does he get off? Thinking he’s as good as white people? We should put him back in the gutter.
These are the kind of people you’re dealing with at the WBA they’re a criminal organization run by gangsters and and they should not exist, yeah yeah.
What they say has no bearing in truth or fact and they’re just run by criminals for their own Financial benefit.
And it bothers me more about the WBA and WBC and WBO is that they operate and make 90 of the money in the states.
And yet they don’t abide by American law, they get away with criminality, and so does the ibf, which is based out of New Jersey, wow.
You know, and you were sorry you were talking about a um a tribunal about what would, if would it work? You know who is it uh, uh Chavez Jr, who fought um, Sergio Martinez and Canelo Julio, says Cesar Chavez.
Jr? Am I speaking of the right Chavez? Yes, I believe so yeah and yeah and when he thought um Canelo and he fought several other Fighters because Jose Suleiman who was a criminal was a convicted criminal ran the WBC uh.
He got away with thought testing before or after for drugs.
He didn’t they can take a urine test, ah at any of it well finally, Chavez when they signed the contract, uh Canelo Alvarez made them sign a contract.
That said, you take a drug test before and after or you don’t get paid.
Otherwise, you don’t fight me and if you don’t fight me, you don’t make any money, no one will fight you now and, and he had to do it and still they tried to get him around it, but he rarely would take a test.
He would just leave interesting to round out the bottom of this card, guys I got ta say: there’s some there’s some young Fighters that are coming up here: um Campbell hatton’s on this card, good guy, yeah yeah.
You know a lot of people are giving this kid.
Crap they’re saying that he’s not good but hey.
He keeps coming up with these wonderful victories, uh he’s taking on Tom Ansel uh.
This one should be easy for him.
Uh also Maisie Rose uh Courtney.
I profiled her on the show uh George liddard 3-0 nice uh middleweight, coming up and uh also Brendan Scott 5-0 uh, another featherweight coming up through the game and uh yeah.
This is gon na be uh.
This is gon na be a great card on his own.
Definitely uh.
I can’t wait to see this one and I believe this one’s.
What starts at uh 2 p.
m.
Eastern Standard Time, yeah it’s more afternoon, yeah, I think Valdez will beat nav already yeah.
You think so.
Yeah, good technical boxer, strong finisher, he’s better technically and he’s giving credit for navaretti is more of a fighter than a slogger he’s, got the reach and and the hype, but he’s not going to use it he’s gon na trade punches and the Australian guy that dropped Nav already was was not good enough to finish him.
If, if Valdez does that he’ll finish him yeah, I’m pretty sure I’m pretty sure nav ready how to move up some poundage, didn’t he yeah, I mean he so he’s looking a little, I’m not gon na say.
Oh, he looks a little.
He looks a little soft, we’ll say yeah, absolutely that’s how Fighters get hurt and he doesn’t want to Omit to himself that I can’t fight in his weight class anymore right.
I can’t I just can’t: do it yeah, so so this fight this is uh.
This is the kind of like the Battle of Mexico, so to speak right because both Fighters are Mexican.
They both were world champions in the past.
They both are.
You know they’re good Fighters, that’s what I believe both of them do have really good careers.
They still will, after this fight uh either way.
But I agree with Lou on that.
I think Valdez has got a little more in the tank.
He’S got a little more finishing.
He seems a little more focused on his uh.
You know what he wants to do going forward.
Uh nav, ready, like you said, had a hard time in his last fight.
He almost got knocked out completely.
He even admitted to himself that after he was knocked down, he was having a hard time collecting himself, but he did come back and eventually win that fight, but um I’m looking I’m looking at him as both really good Fighters.
They both have a great hand, speed they’re, both knockout Fighters, they’re pressure Fighters, they’re not going to stand around.
I just think Valdez it’s going to be close.
I don’t think this is really guys.
My opinion is not going to be anything but uh.
It’S going to be close, but I think Valdez is going to come out on top something like a human unanimous decision for Valdez.
I don’t think is coming off that Adam Lopez, unanimous decision back at the Grand uh that was May 20th.
So what are their records? Uh 30 uh Valdez Valdez is 31 and uh 31 and one with 23 Knockouts and uh our man, never ready is 37 and one with 31 Knockouts, so wow dance will stop him yeah, I’m looking for that.
Well, both these both these guys got stopping power.
Uh.
You know they both get through it.
Uh.
Yes, uh this one here, you know never ready.
Just looking a little soft to me right now, I thought there was.
I thought there were some women on that card.
You know what I I wanted.
I want to touch on that card for a second, like honestly, what I’m excited for on this card? To be honest, is we got the VAR the the Vargas Dynasty Emiliano coming back for another fight? We got Antonio Morales the tower this kid we’ve talked about him.
Graham yeah, I remember 7-0 El Gigante, 26 year old 85 inch reach six nine heavyweight, uh yeah this kid.
I can’t wait to see him on the card uh.
Also Richard Torres Jr back in Action.
Man looking to stay undefeated he’s 5-0 taking on Willie Jake Jr.
Richard Taurus is honestly: we have yet to see what this guy can really do, but every time this guy gets in the ring he is devastating.
He hasn’t fought anyone of any work, yet he hasn’t found anybody of any worth yet, but they’re building this kid they’re, building this kid they’re putting stones in front of him that he just has to climb over they get a little bigger every time, a little bigger.
Every time, but every person they put in front of him, he is just completely destroyed honestly he’s.
You know, I believe he hasn’t.
Even he hasn’t even been in the distance no and every time, there’s that when I watch a fight card with my wife who has no choice but to watch well, she’ll say to me how many fights and I’ll say: there’s six they’re broadcasting, six yeah.
But three are heavyweights, so they’re not going to go more than a couple rounds.
Yeah I I actually I could.
I could only imagine I’ve seen some of these cards that are around the world um and there was one that I watched and I swear to God.
There was 30 fights on it, 30 fights on this card wow and every single one of them with the distance wow.
Can you imagine having to sit there for that? Many like, I would love it.
I love it, but the seasons would be changing outside yeah this.
This is over in Germany, they they had literally like a 30 fight card and every fight went the distance.
I was blown away.
This is what kills me about the way the media lies about launching they say it’s not as popular as mine.
Germany’S getting 90 000 people to fight yes, and it’s the same as Britain and in the states in Texas, you know you’re getting 70 000 and in Mexico you’re getting a hundred thousand.
So where does this come from that and same in Japan? Where does this come from? That boxing is not as popular it’s way more popular honestly if you’re going boxrex right now, if you’re on BoxRec Friday Night Fights, there’s literally forward in the states two and two in Tokyo, three in the Philippines, uh one in one one in um, uh, uh Argentina.
You got the uh in Australia, uh like there’s they’re all over there’s fights all the time.
We know that and these are sold and these are sold out fights and you look at the country like Australia, yeah Australia’s boxing.
History goes back almost 300 years yeah, because you’re, fighting, kangaroos right and you know, come from Australia, although Jim makes was originally born in England, and they taught a lot of American fighters how to fight so yeah.
I mean it’s universally popular, but the media doesn’t care and the great thing about numbers is numbers, don’t lie, and someone posted on the internet this week not not pay-per-view but live gate numbers from from fights in the past five years from boxing and UFC and boxing Was hun you know it’s drawing 70 80 million live gate and UFC is not even near that I mean if you’re the best UFC fighter of the night.
You get 50 Grand that’s for DM money for a world champion, unboxing right right.
Uh honestly, I was, I was upset to see that Raymond muratello was benched um.
You know that training can’t miss out.
He was supposed to take on Diego Torres uh on this card as well.
I would have liked to see that I like that kid.
Raymond muratello uh, followed him for a little while uh, but yeah this one.
I have a question.
Yes, who was the guy that Russ Amber was in the corner, for that heavyweight would be the uh guy from I think Nigeria who’s going to school in the states uh.
This was two three weeks ago in a card he had his heavyweight from Ukraine or Russia who was like 6667 and just destroyed this guy guy lives.
In Montreal, I hadn’t seen him before oh uh, not artemia, for whatever his name, we’re talking about the lion.
Yeah uh, but boy he was skilled and boy did he take that guy apart, our slim back Mega medov? Yes, remember that Mike I couldn’t you know what I mean.
Why did he fight? I mean that guy, that guy is a monster monster.
I’Ve been watching this guy he’s calm, yes, very calm.
He plays chess, not Checkers when he’s in there and he moves.
He can move fast yeah.
He can.
He can literally close the distance.
You know like two strides he’s across the ring: the guy’s, so big and he’s a monster he’s agile he’s got good defense.
He can take a punch and man he has like he’s got like Boulders for hands.
He he hit this guy a jab and he and he staggered him yeah yeah.
Absolutely this guy’s seriously he’s my new favorite heavyweight guys.
As I was saying before, hey Mike Magnum honestly honestly, these heavyweights coming up the ranks.
Man he’s amazing.
You know, I think the heavy the heavyweight division in the next cup couple of years is going to become the most popular division in boxing again, I believe, like it used to be yeah like come on.
We haven’t we haven’t had.
We haven’t had an Undisputed Champion since the the three belt era we haven’t had one in the four Belterra it will only.
It will only happen when Tyson Fury decides to just give up his belt.
Listen he’s going to get his ass, whooped so hard by freaking.
You know I hit his heart as a Ford Fiesta coming at you.
I can’t I can’t believe it hasn’t been vacated anyway, like just.
I can’t believe it hasn’t been taken away from him and, like I think it’s at WBC.
I can’t remember who it is, but it doesn’t matter, but the point matter is: is there’s like five or six guys atop, that division quote unquote: atop that division uh, you know run by the British media who who really aren’t making any room whatsoever for these guys? Who are coming up through the Americas right now and I’ll? Give you a great example: uh, someone in the U.
S press this past week said you know, I think I think Jared Anderson should have stepped up and taken on Auntie Joshua, and you couldn’t believe the Flack that writer got from the the UK boxing fans right.
Of course, but guys as we’ve talked about before too, the U.
S Fighters are going to bring in the Pay-Per-View okay, so you were thinking about.
You know it’s undermined because, as we know, some of these fights that we’re going to be giant Pay-Per-View fights ended up.
Is that they were hoping, because no, but they really need to have uh, like especially in the UK like well, Graham, brings up a point here, which is no no problems.
Some Fighters get leeway and, and and I’d like to know the answer that Graham brings up a great Point: why does Tyson Fury get leeway with the boxing associations? Why does he get not to defend his title against a real fighter and other guys if they don’t do it in three months, their strip, some guys can take a year and a half two years off.
It’S all right.
If you have a medical problem, but Theory just doesn’t feel like doing it, I don’t feel like fighting uh uh um uh, the Ukrainian guy, I’m sorry, music.
Thank you.
I don’t feel like fighting music.
Well, does it matter? If you feel like fighting him, you should he’s the other champ.
You have to fight him, I think he’s afraid of music.
I don’t think he’s afraid of getting knocked out.
I think he’s afraid of losing on points.
Music is a smart technical fighter yeah and I think he would beat Theory and Furious is like I’m the champ.
I can do what I want, but it’s not the way it works now, but they let him do it.
They let you get away with it.
They will, and I I think that that’s where some of the changes will take place in the next year.
I mean we, we talked about this a year ago at the Christian von spanak out of the UK um, and he was saying you know it’s not going to change this year and he’s absolutely right and has been proven right uh, because they can’t move Tyson Fury Out of that position they, as in anyone uh, they can’t move him out of that position and so who’s left right.
So yusic is left fighting in Poland against what Daniel Dubois, okay, so he’s gon na he’s gon na clobber Dubois.
So again, where does that leave the positioning or the standings? You know you’ve got Joshua if he loses if he loses to helenius, which I think is going to happen quite frankly, but you know as ties as tight as Mike as Mike Tyson said, you know uh, you know it all changes with a punch to the face.
So the point of matter is, is uh you know, and and who do you have below them? You’Ve got a bunch of husbands, you know, with the exception, as we’ve just discussed, some of the American and Canadian fire Russian Canadian Fighters that are that are coming up through the heavyweight Division and the Amer and the and the Americans are saying these guys are great.
The British are saying who – and this this was clearly evident this week when Eddie Hearn was presented with the fact that uh Jared Anderson could potentially the guy is big he’s huge.
He is he’s got that Mike Tyson in him that Auntie Joshua does not have, and that’s why I thought that would make a great fight right now.
I I agree.
I I one of the things that Eddie Hearn and the Brits don’t understand is that idioms in particular us because we’re caught in the middle? We don’t really care what you think about our boxers.
His name is in the United States.
Doesn’T matter that you, you won’t give Lennox Lewis credit for being a great heavyweight champion.
Facts are the facts.
He was a great heavyweight champion, so we don’t necessarily need your credit, but on the flip side they they control the sport.
So it’s difficult to find.
You know to find your way and and for a writer to get attacked for suggesting a good fight is, is this stupid? I mean it makes no sense he’s putting boxing in the news to be happy, he’s writing about it at all, rather than attacking him.
For that and – and I think that’s that’s the way – it is right now yeah, but but until you got ta look at this, though, like look at this have like you know, you got Ruiz 33, the guy’s still up there number four ranked you know.
Dillian white number, five ranked we got Dubois Wilder still at seven or T’s still at eight Joseph Parker, nine, and then it rounds up with chisora.
Okay, I I think jassar is over the hill.
I think white shouldn’t be allowed to fight because he tested positive yep.
I think Daniel Dubois, not a walk in the park for anyone and Joe Joyce, would be good, but he lost a fight.
He should have won.
Yes, that’s true, Zoe Zang, Zoe, Zhang and Joyce.
You know they’re heading head walking up this list they’re.
Both both of them are about to enter that top ten yeah and then we have, and then we got her grovik and bacoli coming up behind them and and our guy from the states Jared Anderson is now ranked number 15.
in the world in the heavyweight division.
So we’re going to see him coming up the ranks real, quick, just like we’ve been saying from the time this kid left amateurs to came Pro.
This is this: is the next guy to get behind this? Is this guy’s gon na be wearing a belt, and I think his his last fight was indicative of his Improvement in the sport.
I’Ve been a Critic before, but I think I was wrong because the fact that uh during that fight his most recent fight, um his Corner, said concede The Knockout just because he’s not gon na knock him out.
Yeah just beat him on points and beat him up, and he did.
He listened yeah that was against Charles Martin yeah and he fought a very good fight and he beat a good fighter yeah, and so it only gets better from here for him.
Yeah, like his last three fights you got to figure.
You know like Charles Martin, George Arias, Jerry Forrest, you know yeah one was a team.
You know Forest TKO in the second round uh.
You know the next one was the stoppage in the third uh against George Aries and then Charles Martin.
He took a distance so he’s finally showing that he does have those those techniques that a lot of people said that he didn’t because he was blasting out these guys in the first round 23.
.
This is another thing: yeah he’s 23 years old he’s a kid.
He hasn’t even gotten that all their strength, yet no and and and you know, except for people like Ali or Joe Lewis – heavyweights, as you know, mature later so he’s not even close.
It’S like Richard Torres here, they’re not even close to their Prime, no they’re.
Five.
Six years away from their Prime yeah and they’re this good, that’s the scary thing about them.
You look at Anderson, you think, and boy.
If you, if you’re gon na, have a chance, you better fight him.
Now yeah you wait.
Five years, you’ve got no chance.
Oh yeah, five years five years, he’s gon na put on a little bit more size.
He’S gon na be coming into that.
That body part perfectly he’s gon na know, he’s gon na know more about himself on the inside yeah and then that’s when you’re gon na see this guy really start to run through competition like if he’s sitting, 15 theft in the world.
Now you know at 23 years old next, five years, he’s gon na be on top wait.
A second wait: a sec wait, a sec hang on if you’re looking in the top 15 and eight of those guys are on their way down yeah.
He realistically is like seven, so let’s give this guy a little bit more credit in terms I do.
I give him credit.
I think he could step into the ring with any one of those guys in the top 15 right now.
I agree.
I’M sure he’d like to, but I’m I think, he’s managed by Bob Aaron.
If I’m not mistaken, so they’re not going to push him they’re not going to push him fast.
That’S what I’m saying I I don’t think we’re going.
We, the fans, are going to see that happen very soon, uh, which is too bad uh.
But all I was saying – and my point was was you know when Auntie Joshua needs someone to fight? You know who can step in and make make the heavyweight world exciting? Again is a guy like uh Jared Anderson he’s he’s the guy he’s the guy who can make it exciting again and there are other.
There are other names true, but I but Joshua wanted, takes the risk or it’s man no see.
That’S that’s the thing he’s he’s right now.
You don’t gain much from fighting him other than getting your ass whooped like that’s.
It right, high risk low reward, but you know honestly, five years from now when he really settles in and comes into his own.
You know you’re gon na see you’re gon na see a dominant heavyweight champion.
Oh, I agree and it’s the same Crawford.
It’S all this BS this week.
Well, you know someone posted is going to fight geronta Davis he’s not going to fight tank Davis.
He said I I gained nothing from that, no guy.
If I beat him, then he comes up well, he was a lightweight.
You just beat a lightweight right, so I’m not going to get credit for beating him, I’m not going to make money for fighting blue Dennis.
I want Charlo after he fights Canelo he’s the one who stood there at ringside and yelled things about my wife and my family, my kids and called me a and called me names and and said I was cheating.
He said, that’s not professional he’s a and that’s the only other fight I want now.
My body can only go up to 154.
.
I want him I want to.
I want to punish him for the way he acted and I think he will I’ll give them I’ll.
Give him credit for that.
I will no! No, you know it’s interesting.
I mean about a year ago, if you remember, when Bob Aaron was managing uh, Terence Crawford.
The big problem that uh Bob arum had with Crawford was that he wasn’t speaking his mind at these uh press media conferences and he was you know he was being too quiet.
You know so at least now we see some kind of, shall we say anger out of uh Terence Crawford, which is good, uh and I’d love to see him kick the out of Charlo.
Quite frankly, I’d like to see the turtle Brothers fight each other, but you know to what Graham just said: um Ali said they asked Ali once as a father, because when Ali was first champ, he wasn’t well liked.
So so people would say reporters would say: there’s a body of the people boo you he said I don’t care, he said 99 100 are coming to see me but 99 come to see me get beat, but as long as they pay, I don’t care.
I got these and these will do their job, so you know and like you’re saying Crawford didn’t speak before and because of Ali every fighter, since him and Ali got that from Gorgeous George every fighter, since him has had to really promote their own fights.
It’S not.
The amount of seeds that you sell, it’s the amount of asses in the seats and you know Ali changed it.
Where yeah people came to see, Mayweather get beat, they didn’t like him, but they still paid to see him.
It still shocks me to this day.
Quite frankly – and I don’t know if this is the same in North America – but in the UK, boxers are expected uh to sell tickets yep like in the in the music industry back in the old days.
If you want to play The Whiskey A Go, Go, the guy would give you a thousand tickets and say here, sell them for five bucks each and you made five thousand dollars there you go.
I know that happens in Ontario all the time with different promotions Fighters have to sell seats, yep, yeah and, and they don’t get paid that much.
It’S one of the few sports that I know of where you, the athlete, have to sell seats to the event.
But but in England in particular, is my point um you know I haven’t seen um.
I haven’t seen it much in Ontario.
Quite frankly, because we’ve had a lot of sold out shows to be blunt.
Um I’ve worked for a bunch of promotions.
They all did that promoters in Ontario.
They all did it did it.
They all like each fighter had to sell a certain number of tickets.
If you want to get on the card.
That’S what I’m saying these days.
I think it’s a bit different.
So there’s another card: uh, okay, yeah, there’s one more one: more 9 p.
m.
Eastern show time, uh Emmanuel Rodriguez is writing himself to reclaim uh his place atop as he preps for his Rising Contender, Melvin Lopez uh this one’s for the vacant, ibf Banton weight World Championship uh this one’s live on Showtime, uh Rodriguez.
You know, he’s a season fighter.
Uh out of Puerto Rico, um, you know he’s got a record of 21 and 2 and an accurate ratio of over 50 percent uh his you know, following his technical decision victory over Gary Antonio Russell Rodriguez.
Uh has positioned himself for another shot at a world title.
He clinched in 2018 against Paul Butler and then Melvin Lopez.
Strong Contender from Nicaragua boasts an impressive record of 29-1 with 19 nachos uh, since his singular career defeat in 2019 Lopez swept his way through eight consecutive victories, uh displaying explosive powers in the boxing ring, so yeah also don’t forget, there’s at least 55 Russell Brothers.
Yes, yes, well, he can guarantee him a shot at 54.
Other Russell Brothers too, yes, and and it’s funny because uh yeah wow, that’s humor humor from new Eisen folks, Gary Gary Antoine Russell is on this card, who is 16-0 and he’s taking on Kent Cruz’s.
160-3.
That’S in the super light division uh this one is packed with a bunch of you know these up and comers too um uh Michael angeletti uh Trayvon Marshall’s on here.
Uh Jesse Hart like to see this kid out again: uh Jose benavidez Juniors on this card as well um Daniel Blancas watching for this kid’s super middle coming up through uh through the ranks man he’s now ranked 207th um in the in that division.
Man and like six and all right now, uh and David, a Whitmire here, uh who’s, you know, burst onto the super Welter scene and he is still undefeated at 2-0.
Looking for his third uh, but the headline here is that ibf world Bantam, it’s vacant, Lopez, Rodriguez, USA, Showtime.
What more can you want right, but you know what this week they signed.
A great fight, Sunny, Edwards and Bam Rodriguez are fighting.
That will be an incredible that may be a fight of the year.
Yeah yeah love that one Jesse bam: Rodriguez, Rodriguez, yeah, yeah, big big fan of him.
When is the Joshua fight with honeys that one starts 2 p.
m? Eastern Standard Time? Oh that’s tomorrow, yeah yeah! Well, you know I thought it wasn’t for another week.
Okay, thank you, yeah, sorry Mike when just so I got my time zones here.
Women not sure you were just talking about when’s, that one that one is 9 p.
m, Eastern.
So on Saturday, on Saturday where’s that being fought, that one is being done in uh, MGM, National Harbor, Oxen Hill, Maryland USA and that’s a tgb promotions, Rodriguez, yeah, Oxon Hill uh.
You know it was.
I think I mentioned this last week.
Maybe I didn’t, but it was interesting that uh tank Davis has his own promotions company and I met I meant I might have mentioned it, but anyway I was just wondering if it was associated with uh with tank uh, because I was I was really happy to Hear that a boxer has made Millions is putting his money back into the sport and developing younger boxers.
So I was really happy to hear that and and mayor by the way, uh Maryland Massachusetts great great States uh for developing boxers these days that I’m noticing anyway uh not to mention obviously uh New York uh.
I haven’t seen much out of New Jersey, but uh.
Just along the Eastern eastern coast, there’s quite a few really good, gyms and clubs that are that are churning out good fights.
They always have in Massachusetts because the original George Godfrey there are a lot of great black Canadian Fighters and other Fighters that went from the maritimes and from Canada down to Boston, which was a hotbed for many years and still – and still is I mean, don’t forget The first alley listing rematch was originally scheduled for Boston.
You learned something new every day: that’s right, especially when you have, especially if you lose here, especially when Lucy or lose always got something new to teach us [ Laughter, ] right, so I guess paid the big bucks.
No, no! That’S why Lou gets the big screen.
What they’ve had with the big screen? I thought I left a big screen because my head was so gigantic.
You got ta have a screen big enough for all that vast knowledge right yeah, it’s like my father would call himself a mountain of useless knowledge.
I’Ve been called Dr useless info a few times yeah, so so a friend of mine was a not a promoter but a Matchmaker, the late, Jim gentle and um Jimmy the Giant and my closest friend in boxing, and I would give him some obscure fact about Jack Dempsey, you know, and he would say to me: well, that’s great Lou, you and the other two people on Earth who know that fact, I’m sure we’ll one day get together and have a drink and discuss it all right so guys, just just to put it out There, okay Joshua helanius The Zone August 12, 2 p.
m.
Eastern Standard Time, Yeah Rodriguez versus Lopez, is on Showtime 12th at 9pm Eastern Standard Time, then neverente Valdez, ESPN, plus Sky Sports August 12th, 10 p.
m.
Eastern, so there’s all the fights for the weekend.
Definitely there’s gon na be some Knockouts, so look for The Knockout of the week award coming back to you on Sundays and speaking of future shows Mike.
Let’S not forget what we’ve got up coming, so we’ve got uh Lou show up coming on Sunday uh who who’s your guess, who’s your guest! This week my guest is Mark cram, Jr and we’ll be discussing his book on Joe Frazier and he’s, and his father Mark cram.
Of course, wrote goes to Manila and and wrote hundreds of fabulous articles of Sports Illustrated but Mark crime.
Jr is a winner uh, a a multiple award-winning writer sports writer from Philadelphia, and I would also encourage people to watch last week’s interview.
Oh with Randy Roberts, it was a four-time Pulitzer, nominee yeah and uh.
That’S the Sunday with Mark kram Jr a week.
After is Nigel Collins, the former editor and publisher of her magazine? Oh that’s, gon na be a good one.
Honestly, it’s funny when I went to visit Neil on his boat.
I couldn’t believe it when I saw that it was called Thrilla in Manila, [ Laughter, ], wow, Neil Neil wow anyway, so so Neil you you’ve got to show up coming too uh.
What’S it gon na be about boxing 101? What do you got coming up? Well, boxing 101: we got a bunch of things happening next week.
Graham, I haven’t made a hundred percent guys.
What I’m gon na do, there’s some stuff up in the UK.
There’S some stuff coming up in the United States, so check it out.
Boxing101 already talkingfight.
gov fair enough fair enough look for the return of knuckle up.
We are.
We are looking forward to that.
I understand you’re working with some graphic artists.
You’Ve got some new uh sexy stuff, lined up yeah, 360 stuff and some new uh, some new, hopefully uh.
You know what we’re gon na we’re gon na start, using that no uh Fair usage policy, a little more.
I think yes, yes and uh definitely definitely uh.
You know put the show together, you know better to help educate the public out there, because that’s what we’re doing we’re bringing you news, we’re bringing you statistics and we’re helping to educate the public of uh.
You know these wonderful pugilists that we talk about every day and every week and that we watch all the time.
So I can’t wait, but yes returning The Knockout of the week Sunday definitely look out for that.
Uh, some great fights, I’m predicting.
It might be uh a Richard Torres win because you know he does.
He does usually uh tend to tend to sleep guys, a lot.
You know yeah [, Laughter, ] Rich, has been featured before I got.
I must say this then, before we we we exit out.
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