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EPISODE: Episode 1
Our group of panelists, including Tim Witherspoon, provide another weekly roundup of boxing headlines and an array of updates about upcoming bouts and boxers.
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Uh yeah uh hello, there boxing fans around the world thanks for joining us once again here on Friday night panel, another exciting episode with Mike Lou myself, grumpy, Graham we’re going to talk about boxing upcoming fights and some uh previews of other fights that uh I want To talk about such as eony Bridges versus Al all right go ahead.
Mike started off yes for sure.
Well, first of all, I’m upset that uh, the batti fight is uh is postponed.
Well, that’s only funny because it was the first one.
The peacock was gon na stream, live and and introduce British boxing to an American audience.
I yeah I was looking forward to this one.
You know aiz boi, you know it hits a roadblock unfortunate injury during C’s last training session you know, has led to the postponement.
This uh’s a good fighter, but Fighters are get injured all the time and for the most part, unless it’s debilitating, they fight injured, yeah yeah.
You know, like most husbands, well, aiz uh he’s he’s got a back injury uh.
You know it’s.
It’S stopped him in his tracks, uh with medical experts advising him.
You know his participation should not go on.
So you know what hopefully he gets well rested up, so he can take an ass whooping for Brad see when they uh get this one underway again, because you know what I love me, some bti, you know hard-hitting heavy-handed.
You know you got to love this guy uh.
This card was set up to you know to be a banger and uh unfortunate that uh.
You know we’re not going to we’re not going to get to see it.
You know we had uh Louie green on the under card uh Sam Gilly.
There there were some big fights on this one that uh, unfortunately, we’re not going to get to see now so until whenever it happens so the other one, though we got to talk about catall uh lerys.
What are your thoughts on this fight? Super lightweight World title Contender, catall is set to defend his WBA Intercontinental title against lenys.
I think lenys is a good fighter and he was a World Champ.
Wasn’T he at one point, but I think he’s on the downside of his career and I think Cal’s peing.
I think he definitely beat um.
I can’t remember his name now, but the other British fighter, Taylor, Josh Taylor, but uh, I think he’ll beat lerys, although lerit is not a walk in the park.
No, no by not not by any means he’s not a walk in the park, but this one uh this one’s set, it’s uh! It’S getting underway! Uh! Tomorrow this one’s on the zone.
You know, uh, you know, Catal he’s 27-1.
13 Kos.
You know who is Keen on to you know reign as the 140 pound champ.
You know title uh, his controversial loss, the former Undisputed super lightweight Josh Taylor in February 2022.
It’S the only blemish on his record uh.
You know he’s eager for a rematch there uh.
If he defeats Venezuela’s lerys uh he’s also eyeing the winner of uh Haney versus progress, so uh, that’s some uh, that’s some big shoes to fill right.
There that’ll be a great fight, uh, but yeah.
I think I think he’s got this one uh.
You know after 15mon hiatus from The Ring the 30-year-old uh left-handed fighter returned to score a victory over uh Daryl Foley in a 10-rounder uh.
You know the contest is part of the undercard for Lee Woods: WBA featherweight World title against mercera uh, Lys yeah, he’s on the downside of his career.
You know on that downward, so we’ll call it.
The back.
Nine is.
Is that what we call nine you? The back nine he’s he’s on that back nine, just like when you hit 40, I’m I’m in my 60s.
So I’m way past 40: oh you’re, on the green ready to put it in eh yeah! Oh yeah, I’m past the green, I’m in the clubhouse with a defibrillator in the sand, tra with no sandals, that’s right, but yeah.
You know he’s already popular in the UK for his victories over Kevin Mitchell, Anthony Cora.
You know he plans to shake up this thriving 140 division by maintaining his unbeaten streak in the UK and uh.
You know sorting Catal shot at World title in his next fight.
So I’m I’m looking forward to this one uh.
What are your thoughts on uh catall? There um grumpy, Graham um, I’m with Lou on this one um I’ve been reporting on this fight for a while, now and uh.
You know Jack seems to be hitting his stride right now and uh good for him H, but there’s no shortage of competition out there.
That’S for sure I mean not not not in the 140 pound division.
That’S right, so it will be interesting to see who I mean.
I would call this a warm- up, tuneup, whatever you want to call it but uh there.
There must be something in 2024 planned for him uh to move Beyond someone like leras um and I’m not really sure it’s uh the winner of The Haney program, only because there’s so many guys out there wanting the winner of that Haney progress, fight level of controversy.
This week as well, when there’s accusations flying that uh Haney had erased a Mexican loss back in his early days and uh.
I actually don’t know the end result of that argument, but uh I I heard that and I just totally dismissed it like you know what you never know.
I mean you know.
Rocky Marciano was looked at as 49 and0, but he fought a guy in in 48.
Named tiger Ted Lowry, a black fighter and uh um, he hit Lowry in low and Low’s leg, um or or he was hitting the stomach.
Sorry, solar, plexes, Marciano leg came up, hit Lowry low, he went down Mariano’s disqualify.
This was a professional fight overnight.
The mob had it changed to a draw and then a no decision and the next morning, thanks to Frankie carbo, it was changed to a win from Marciano and I asked you know Sports.
I asked um bud jert.
How do you know that I was there? I was at the fight, I still have the newspaper so yeah.
A lot of records are like that.
Apparently shavis had loss early on, but it was erased.
I mean it it it.
It happens all the time.
So I I wouldn’t be surprised.
It may be true.
It may not be true right we’re not dealing with honest people.
It’S box, no, no, no um! Yeah, you know honesty is, is the best policy in boxing, but seldom ever seen right, um yeah.
So you know what uh Jack, ceral Lys WBA InterContinental super light up for grabs uh on the undercard, the comain umib fiia is taking on Rees bot that one’s for the Commonwealth, uh super feather uh.
Also, on the Cent card we got Peter mcgrail back in Action.
Trying to keep that o uh, you know this one’s his eight he’s taking on Fran Mendoza, who is 17 and0, so this is uh.
You know Peter Peter’s on that that a side of this year, so we’re gon na see what’s going on with that fight.
That should be a banger uh Campbell Hatton back in Action.
This kid just keeps uh Making Waves man.
He took a lot of.
He took a lot of slack at the beginning of his pro career and and he seems to be coming into his own uh.
Very well, you know he’s 13-0 right now, uh he’s going to be taking on uh Jamie Samson who’s n-2.
This one, I think, is just you know, hey I’m still here.
I can still knock you out.
I can still finish this.
You know Hatton 13-0 uh in in that super light division, but still only ranked by box R is 328th in the world world.
So yeah, you know they got.
They got no respect for this kid, but he’s got some good skills man.
I like I like him.
I think he’s a good fighter.
It reminds me of you know the way people would put down Tim zoo and I would say he can fight he’s, got heavy hands and anyone with heavy hands can do damage.
Oh yeah Campbell, Hatton, great name, 22 years old yeah.
I mean you can’t write him off he.
He knows what he’s doing world champion father, so yeah, it’s in the genes he’s being trained by the right people he’s a good fighter.
People say: well, you haven’t seen his bell wrong.
Well, that’s the whole idea of the sport.
It’S not he supposed to be match for the best fights least amount of risk for the most amount of money.
So yeah you know, but I I think he’s got.
I think he’s got the goods I what I can’t believe if we’re talking British Fighters, I I was astonished that lee wood came back and beat Josh Warrington.
I I I thought warrington’s well on his way, he’s crowding him he’s not giving him room to punch, and then I just I couldn’t believe it was over and then, of course, Warrington had to spoil it by claiming it was a fast count.
It shouldn’t have been stopped, but you know if you’re, that con cuss, that’s where those there’s no way I mean if the fight goes on, he gets killed right, yeah yeah! No, I I know what you’re saying it’s: it’s you got to save these guys from themselves.
Right, yeah, you know too many times they’re, you know they want to [ __, ] and Loan and and complain.
But, like you know, we we all watched it.
We saw what happened yeah I mean when you get punched in the head.
Your your interpretation of what was going on might not be the same as everybody who was watching from the outside yeah.
You know when chavallo knocked out Jerry Corey in 67.
Cory said, I lost track of the count right because I punched you in the head Cory went down three times for one shot, it’s start sh, so obviously you lost track of the count.
The referee said: 10.
Your knees were on the canvas.
That’S a knockout, yeah yeah said: that’s not fair and George laugh.
What do you mean Fair? It’S boxing, it’s not fair.
What are you nine playing H? I hit you in the head.
You went down for the count.
That’S the way the sport Works.
No, no! I’M taking my ball and I’m going home guys yeah yeah, yeah uh the big card, though uh you know moving past this one.
We all know catero L, it’s going to be a good fight, guys uh, but the one I’m waiting for Alexi Lex Roa taking on Giovani Gallow, deoro, santian uh.
This these guys are set to collide in a 12 rounder War.
This is going to be a war.
This one’s going to be a game changer for the division, I believe uh, you know top ranks, got it going on with this one.
Uh Ro is the naval Welterweight Title holder with a killer record of 23-1 with 15 Kos uh.
You know, isn’t just a rising star he’s literally a viral sensation.
Uh from you know some of his fights known for his explosive power and strategic Mastery man.
He uh this guy was fighter of the year.
You know fighter of the year to watch, and you know fresh off that dominating performance against Anthony Young Roa isn’t just fighting to defend his title he’s battling for you know that International recognition he wants that big boy status, Big Belt, Big Boy status, get rid of That Nebo throw in a WB something you know, that’s what he’s looking for Big Boy status comes when you put asses in the seats.
That’S right and you know what this gu.
You know, he’s he’s still he’s still young in the game.
He’S still young in the game, you know 23 fight, 24 fights he’s 23 and one he’s only 26 only6 years old uh, you know, box re has has him listed as the Welter he’s ranked number 12 in the world on box rec uh for welterweight number.
Six in the United States right now – and you know I love him great Southpaw, you know the Anthony Young fight was great.
If you guys ever seen that go back and watch that prep you up for tomorrow, night’s fights uh, it’s G, it’s going to be a blowout uh.
I think Roa roa’s.
I think he’s going to take this one and in in devastating fashion, like he usually does.
Who was the fighter last week Mike the African-American fighter, who won uh in the United States at a lighter weight um.
The other guy gave him a good fight, but it was eventually stopped um.
He was being built up by Showtime, oh um, what’s his name? Oh man, there’s so many of them in my head right now, uh, it’s a good fight.
I, the one you mention, is a good fight, but I think what’s important is Bob arum and ESPN are really the last ones standing, because now that Showtime’s gone thanks to Al Haymon and mismanagement, I mean showtime for years overpaid their Fighters.
So everyone wanted Mayweather money.
Even though they were undercard Fighters, undercard Fighters don’t get, you know main event.
Cash and Showtime would pay for great Fighters, but you you would see the David morale is that his name and and yeah he’d pay.
For I mean he was getting three four 500 grand and I’m thinking are.
You are you out of your mind right, like yeah, it’s ridiculous, they’re, overpricing themselves and finally, someone at Showtime woke up and said we’re losing Millions each year.
Why are we paying this much yeah? This is ridiculous.
There’S no way to pay that much and as it’s been people have been saying.
Oh, we boxing is in serious trouble because HBO’s not going to go back and we’re left with the zone and and uh ESPN, and maybe a couple other streaming apps, which is where going.
But if it doesn’t get a network, someone major start, maybe like Graham could throw his hat in the ring now would be the best time because there’s no one there.
I have oh okay, great and and um uh.
It’S just you know, I I I don’t know how Ben Shalom did it in Britain and came from nowhere and started it, but without broadcasting I mean the Sport’s dead and which is why it has a tough time in Canada, especially in Jano, because no one ever Can broadcast fights here, no one’s interested, so I mean what what do we do with that right? You know and it’s gon na apple juice – it’s GNA get worse before it gets better chorus, entertainment’s about to file for bankruptcy.
So uh yeah a lot of networks just they’re losing money.
They can’t do it anymore, hey champ! I saw you twice this week.
I saw you in that one thing with that: beautiful suit in the boat tie that wasn’t this that wasn’t this week, that was a picture of you online at some event, at a Hall of Fame, oh right right and you working at the gym, you still have Speed I’mma do like 20 20 20 minutes and then I’m G talk to you later after I’m finished what I got ta do after that I’ll talk to you guys later: okay, yeah, okay, I was at with Shai.
Where was we at yeah that was theall of hi? That was a Hall of Fame? I just came, I just got finished cooking, the chicken and stuff we went to the store.
I got some chicken I’m have to come over.
Have some of that chicken.
My car broke down, so I’ve been, but I just got it fix, go ahead and finish talking well, we were saying with Showtime, dropping out of boxing the sports in trouble, because it’s only ESPN now and the zone – and you know Showtime – was mismanaged.
They spent way too much money on undercard Fighters get giving the main event money, and there got to be some there’s got to be a realignment in the sport of who gets paid.
How much and you know it’s gon na be a long time before someone else wants to put their money in boxing and and even with the other, with the uh celebrities like uh Tyson, Fury, Tommy, Fury and all that type of matches, then you got all this Other stuff, it’s it’s gon na be rough, getting back right.
The way it used to be good Fighters, but it’s not like in the 50s or the 70s or 80s, where you could turn on CVS or NBC or ABC and you’d, see good fights every week.
And now that’s not going to happen unless you buy an app and people are like wait.
A minute.
I got ta pay 20 bucks a month for an app plus.
I got ta pay 80 bucks for the apps pay-per-view, that’s ridiculous, so they fans have had enough, and this happened at Showtime where fans said no, I’m not doing this, I’m not paying for your special service at show time and on top of it, paying a hundred Bucks for a pay-per-view that shouldn’t be a pay-per-view and they lost money, and so boxing has to have this radical realignment of of the money and how it’s done and treat fans better.
You know if you’re paying for the zone, you shouldn’t pay for a pay-per-view you’re, paying under the premise that all the fights you see you’re paying for per month, but they’re greedy.
Now this will be more money.
Well then, I’m not paying for it.
You know.
So it’s not just Showtime, I mean networks everywhere in Canada, United States, Britain are really getting pounded.
You know, what’s the recipe for trying to fix it, who you need people with Deep Pockets, but we were saying I was saying you can’t pay guys that are ranked.
Eighth or nine two three 400 Grand to fight, that’s just ridiculous, because that’s not a winning Financial thing.
You got to set up a thing where this is what you get more as you move on this apple: jues: apple juice.
Of course it is look at.
Look.
Look at our tatti, he didn’t get big money when he started out, but he worked up to it and Mike you were talking about one of the guys on as a 23 and0 record yeah, you know in the in the 50s.
Someone would say, how can you expect a title shot.
You’Ve only had 50 five fights yeah right.
I know I know you got ta have another 30 fights before you get close to a title, shot yeah.
Now they get it so early and they get all that money and people will look at a Devon, Haney and say yeah he’s a great fighter, but I’m not paying a 100 bucks pay-per-view to watch him fight.
Lenko, I’m just not.
You know.
No, no.
You know what you see.
The thing is: is that a lot of the times you know the main event might be worth it, but it’s that undercard that, just you know, doesn’t doesn’t add up no yeah.
That’S that that’s a problem! That’S why a lot of these pay-per-views and just the prices in these days is ridiculous and it’s worse in Canada, because yvon Michelle owns the rights for most pay-per-views.
So you know if it’s if, if a pay-per-view is 79.
99 in the states, it’ll be 129 up here.
Yeah people look at and go, you know what I’ll let’s go to a bar or I’ll go to my friend’s house.
You know my my my friend has has um and I want to say a legal setup, but he’s got his own dish.
He’S got whatever and I’ll watch it for free and you’re ripping off the sport.
How am I ripping off the sport? I don’t want to pay 129, eight or nine times a year to watch fights that aren’t.
You know that special right, they used to be like what uh, 50 or 40 bucks to watch the main event or something like I mean to watch one of those yeah.
You should be like that.
I remember 30.
It was 30 49.
95 Rogers, Cable, that’s what they were charging and then when they had the HD package, it went up by 10 bucks.
You know what happened in one of Mike Tyson’s fights.
There was a fight, I think, against Michael Spinx, where it went 93 seconds right.
So a lot of cable companies in the United States said we’ll give you some of your money back right.
That’S what they said, but in Canada, Rogers Cable, which is the Monopoly that owns C cable TV said.
No, you get nothing back.
We didn’t guarantee you a length of a fight.
We just guaranteed you a fight.
It either goes 12 rounds or goes eight seconds.
That’S your problem, no one forced you to buy it, and so then people just sto buying it.
They just thought well forget it.
Then it’s not worth it how they, then, then you can find places to stream it.
So you know why why pay? If you don’t have to there’s free apps on we all know of on on the internet, where you could see fights for free yeah, oh so Mike, oh okay, that’s the trick.
Man, okay, Mike okay and know asked my cousin is a lawyer.
He said I said: is that illegal, he said no, that they they put the airwaves or they put that show bounce it off a satellite.
If it happens to come to your computer you’re, not at fault you’re, not stealing it, you didn’t ask them to make it available to you on computer.
You know they don’t like it.
Then they can fix it and not make it available to you.
Yes, so from to address your point, though Lou from the top down and I’ve had many conversations with people, as I’m sure you have about this, but what it really boils down to is marketing and a lot of these boxing companies.
Professional boxing companies don’t have the marketing expertise, they don’t have the type of uh Power.
If you will uh to to bring value to a fight um, they can put a fight together.
They can put boxers who want to fight each other other together in the ring.
But they don’t know how to Market it, so they don’t know how to present it as a valuable proposition for consumers to look at and say wow, I’m more than happy to spend $ 89 on that particular fight um and give them their choice, but that that’s The problem, even the boxing, even if the boxers, exciting and stuff like that, that’s what Lou is saying he’s saying there may be one or two fights that are good on the card.
But overall is the card worth 90 bucks and the answer to that is normally typically know.
I don’t think it’s like George cen’s joke about the guy who didn’t know [ __ ] from Shola.
He said I always felt sorry for the guy that worked from Shinola Hi.
How are you how you doing you know? I mean he, you, you can’t sell what wasn’t there when Ally fought Foreman, that’s a Pay-Per-View fight! Yeah, you don’t mind paying the money when Leonard fought, Haggler, that’s a Pay-Per-View fight, but then you see fights today.
Uh like Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, that’s not a Pay-Per-View fight! F, that’s two big heavy weights, but it’s not worth pay-per-view.
You know, and and and that’s where I think, supply and demand are going to be uh the factors that’ll, even this all out at the end of the day, you’re going to find now a lot of uh newer entrance to the marketplace.
Delivering uh live streaming boxing as we are uh and as many others of our size will continue to do and and we’ll fill the smaller market so to speak.
So, for example, let’s consider Toronto, a small Market uh, you know yeah, it’s got four million people, but out of those four million.
How many enjoy boxing? You know a very small fraction small percentage, but Lee boxer seems to do very well filling Rebel nightclub when he puts on his shows uh how many people would pay for a Show online on a pay-per-view basis.
I’M not sure uh but it’ be it’d, be worth testing the market out.
So you know I’ve offered to work.
Well, that’s I’m saying like, even even if you charge ,000 people who are willing to pay 10 bucks, there’s an extra $ 10,000 that the promoter didn’t have in his pocket before right and boxing, you cannot rely only on the gate.
Sport can’t survive just on Gates.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying like at the end of the day there there’s there’s a lack of like Maple Leaf Sports entertainment has an absolutely massive marketing department right right.
I worked with them right, but you, if, if you go to any of the big companies, any of the big, what five you know so there’s an oligarchy that exists who think they control boxing uh.
Yet I was speaking to a a decent little uh company.
Well, little out of New England called Granite chin, and I was I was speaking to the guy who owns has his name is Chris and Chris was telling me that they’re having greater success, reaching the local, the local fan boxing fan base in New England uh with Their live streaming platform, so, yes, they will sell out a thousand tickets, make it look like an exciting event, have close tight camera shots, and next thing you know: you’ve got yourself a really good television production and he’s having more success with that targeting the New England Audience who know the New England boxers who are fighting and he’s not he’s not worried about uh other Fighters coming to his City or cities and he’s not paying large sums to Fighters which is smart, I’m not saying to screw the fighters but he’s paying appropriate sums.
Most likely, but that’s not nothing, that’s not new.
I mean I’m not saying it is.
What I’m saying is is the I think what we’re going to see in the next few years is a whole bunch of independent promoters.
Partnering with independent live streaming, companies to service a local market right and that’s that’s important and that’s how youon Michelle started out that makes business sense because you’re you’re building up local Fighters, but the problem problem with losing Showtime is you still need a national, an international Market to broadcast fights yeah absolutely we had.
We had Rick Glazer on the show.
Quite quite maybe a year ago, yeah, yeah and and Rick was saying the exact same thing.
If, if boxing loses, is traditional uh broadcast footprint uh, you know how? How can you match the best from California, with the best from New York Andor, the best from any other country without that National footprint, and you really well as of this year, you hear Showtime.
They want to get that fight and who’s on it.
Right too many people, it defrays the cost that the promoters have to pay out.
So, even even if there’s not a big audience in attendance, the M the TV money helps def Fray.
That people also don’t realize when you watch a fight from Las Vegas, and you see Jim Carrey in the audience or some other actor or actress or Nicki Minaj they’re, not paying for anything they’re paid to be there to get other people to come to see them Right right, so you know I don’t know.
If I mean we have Showtime, there’s Cinemax, but Cinemax is mainly movies.
So you know when you, when you look at someone’s um Android box, there’s you know 5,000 different channels, and BBC Sports and Sky Sports have always done well with boxing.
The boxing was born in Britain, so they they have a b.
You know they they, they can’t sell enough tickets and give enough TV subscriptions.
There’S no chance in Canada, because the fan base isn’t here because we’re too small a country and if there was the networks, would be charging these fans so much money it.
It wouldn’t be worth their while and in the States you know.
There’S there’s got to be.
I I think what you’re saying grae is a good point.
You get the local New England guy, you build him up, and then he goes to California or New York and fights a local guy there.
And then you develop these big followings.
It goes back to the Grassroots right so and, and the other thing that I found too is um these so-called big companies that control boxing uh they’re they’re, they’re, really Limited in their scope or their Vision.
When it comes to marketing, they know to put on a fight, you need to sell X number of seats.
You need to put BMS in those seats, okay, but that’s all they know they.
They haven’t yet undertaken.
The merchandising that’s required to sustain the business.
They haven’t undertaken.
Other revenue streams, whether it be books, magazines, anything based on the personalities that are being created in the sport of boxing um and they haven’t taken advantage of uh any of the well.
I shouldn’t say that, because Tyson Fury took advantage of uh recent show on his life, but the point of the matter is: is there are many other opportunities to exploit uh in a good way to exploit boxers and their personalities and their stories? Because most of them have really good stories, I agree, but I think that’s all incidental and I don’t care about the books or any of that fight, and only other than that.
You want to hear about the stories, though right yeah stories but other than Ali and who cared you know.
I don’t care about da David morel’s backstory and I don’t care about Tyson.
I mean that’s just me, but you know talking about books and that I don’t know how many boxing fans can even read.
So you know I’m hoping they can.
But okay.
I was using that as one example, one Revenue stream out of many that they’re not taking advantage of is all I’m saying right.
But as I’ve said to you before, the the big time, boxing is controlled by organized crime always has been since 1921 and it always will be and through not just through State commissions and sanctioning bodies, but criminals, mobsters and they’re not going to let other people in.
Don’T um Bob arum has to still pay a couple hundred grand for certain Fighters out of his pocket to their advisors when he wants to use them.
That’S just the way it is, you know, and they don’t like other people getting into the sport Eddie Hearn.
Does that too, you know, people that have controlled boxing, have it in an iron grip and they don’t care what other people think and they don’t they don’t want to.
Let other people in on the pile – it’s not right it just is they don’t want to take that chance? No, I mean you know, no one, that I know of uh I mean I I mean someone in Toronto, like IR vman, who had a lot of Fighters.
You know Shalo and Clyde gray and other Fighters, but still had to pay out to the Mob and other people.
You know that to fight certain guys in certain places it’s just the way it goes.
I mean Tyson Fury had a lot of mob backing, although they’ve since moved to to uh um Dubai, but but that was revealed in court and and a lot of the guys have mob backing and, as Lennox said to me, it’s inescapable.
It’S just it’s part of the sport.
You can’t get rid of it, so Tyson Tyson lives there or he fights there.
Tyson lives in England yeah, but he got a lot of money and he got to fight with klutchko and other people because he had the right, organized crime, people behind them to put pressure on them and can say to the klitch goes.
This is what you’re gon na get you’ll you’ll get more than I will.
But I’m not you know it’s not going to be.
You get 40 million and I get 1 million.
It’S not going to go down there that way and I’ve got the muscle to back it up and that shouldn’t be.
That way I mean Graham, has great ideas, but, and I’m not saying they won’t work, they will work.
If, given a chance, it’s just, you got to do it in your own piece of the pie and what boxing needs is a national presence across North America and right now it doesn’t have that other than ESPN, and I mean ESPN knows what they’re doing they’ve done.
So well and they’ve been in business a long time right and I mean when I was a kid.
I bought everything on alley.
I have the allei versus Superman.
I have the Muhammad Ali card, Muhammad Ali record, Muhammad Ali plastic figures, t-shirts, anything.
If he had toilet paper, I would have bought it.
You know so anything with Muhammad.
I bought, but I didn’t do that with any other fighter right, even Ray Leonard, maybe Joe Lewis, but but um, but there are yeah like you’re saying there are Fighters today.
You know that I mean Tyson.
Fury is an interesting guy.
The Oscar De La Hoya documentary was interesting.
He’S fighting Floyd Mayweather is incredibly smart, the way he handled his career – and so you know, George Foreman – turns out to be a genius and a billionaire um.
Do you think Floyd handle all his business by himself? No, he.
He had helped from Al Haymon, yeah and Al Haymon B and that sort of wreck boxing, because everyone, as you know, Tim, wanted Floyd Mayweather money and you can’t get Floyd Mayweather money.
Floyd Mayweather, like Ali filled, Arenas and stadiums.
Everyone came to see him lose, but so what he still got a piece of every ticket and what fighter today can do that? Maybe Fury yeah he’s he’s getting ready to go over to uh Saudi Arabia right um.
They want me to go over there.
You saying you going champ, I don’t know man look what’s going on over there.
I think you should go champ everybody saying that it’s it’s getting tough over there, man, it’s getting tough.
I I mean I could use the money, but I just got ta really think about it.
You know my mom really feel feel kind of like she’s like 88 and she keep calling me Timmy don’t go over.
There don’t go.
I don’t want her to get sick.
Um um – and you know the more that the more that you watch the TV and you see all this stuff, that’s going on um.
Just like anything can happen.
You know um, so I’m gon really make a decision on on doing that.
I don’t care about the money, I do need it, but my life is more important than just grabbing Saudi Arabia is: is safe and and um that’s what they saying.
That’S what they saying not near the fighting I’ll.
Tell you something Tim uh in Toronto, 20 minutes from where I live, um, I’m I’m not gon na we’re not here to make do anything with politics, but there was a man arrested in a Jewish neighborhood with an axe and a gun tonight: okay, outside the synagogue.
Oh God, so Police SWAT team had to come and take him down and he was looking for people to kill wow, so you’re not safe wherever you go, but I think, if they’re going to invite you then they’re responsible for your safety.
Therefore, they’re going to you know, protect you speaking of that we only charging 2195 to watch this one TNT Sports box office, wow 2195, that’s pounds by the way: okay, okay! So hey that’s uh! That’S that’s! Pretty! That’S pretty cheap! We were just speaking about that, so they you know, I’m not I’m not paying that 21.
They offer they offering 15 grand, but um uh, hey! I don’t I don’t hey.
I got ta really think about that.
You know they’re gon na treat you like they’re gon na treat you like royalty yeah.
Why don’t you just say? Listen 15, Grand’s nice, but I was the heavyweight champion of the world not Champion.
They don’t care, they get.
Somebody else.
There’S a lot of people going.
A lot of everybody going Larry Holmes.
Far as I know: um everybody, everybody uh, Shannon Briggs, Shannon Briggs, so gota watch out.
If Shannon Briggs is there because he’ll try to start a fight with Fury or someone yeah yeah, they yeah they bringing him over too and they bringing like 50 people over.
So I don’t know I might they.
We got that we got the uh passports and all that, but you know what you could do could say to Larry Holmes.
If I don’t make it pick up my 15 grand for me and just bring it back, they’re not going to pay me they’re not going to pay um, I know they’re, not um, so I just got ta really think about it.
Um and you know every day something happens: they putting uh limit limitations on certain things, uh leaving the country or or whatever and going over there.
Um and 15,000 sounds like really good, but I just I just I just I’m GNA think about it.
I’M G think I tell you what, if you don’t go, I’m a Jew and I’ll go i’, be less safe than you you’re, not a state prayer you’re, not a state prayer for food for um dinner.
Yes, let me say it please, because blessed are th.
Lord, our god, king of the universe who bringeth forth bread from the earth amen.
I was in Jewish summer camp.
I was in Jewish summer camp wow.
I was there for one day and got kicked out for beating up another kid.
He made fun of my name and I beat him up and then I was I had say two: two fighters.
You gota watch on that Roka card.
It ain’t, even it ain’t, even 8 o’ cppy Ramirez is fighting againa, that’s the that’s a co-main event and then uh look out for David Stevens, taking on Joan James who’s 70 and2, this one’s just GNA be Stevens.
I don’t know if you guys know this kid he’s now ranked number 40th in that super middle uh definitely watch out for him on this fight guard and that John Scrappy Ramirez.
I love watching this kid Energizer, Buzzy or sorry.
Energizer Bunny guys got no off switch.
Like literally just comes through Scrappy, scra really uh, you know it really.
It really says who he is man.
He is a scrapper.
So yes, I’m looking forward to this fight card uh other than that.
I don’t know uh.
You know there’s some there’s some there’s some other names on here: oh uh, Gabriela fandora is going to be fighting for the ibf world fly uh, taking on arel M M M uh yeah and that one scheduled for uh 10 rounds two minutes and uh.
I’M I’m thinking Gabriel fendor should take this one.
She’S 11 and0 she’s been you know, coming up uh, you know minino she’s, 323 and two.
You know been in there for a long time, but uh really like this girl, fandora she’s on this b side.
But you know look out for this girl, she’s she’s, a force to be reckon with Ken Norton was the bside when he fought Ali in San Diego.
You know some sometimes that bside will give you a beating yeah that that you know that happens.
Jersey, Joe Walcott, was the Beast side in his first fight with Lewis and he beat him, although he didn’t get the decision that happens yeah you know sometimes that person’s desire and skill is so great that doesn’t matter who he’s fighting like Buster Douglas with Tyson right.
You know his mom died and that gave him that little push to exactly, but you know somebody told me that Mike didn’t care about Buster he was partying.
He was messing with women.
No, I don’t even believe, I’m pretty sure I heard interviews where he said he didn’t even step in the gym, yeah and also he made, I think he stepped in the gym, but he he he he was.
He wasn’t stepping in the gym like supposed to be stepping in the gym and he made rude comments about Buster Douglas’s mom after she died, at which point Angela dund said to me.
You serious you don’t give the other guy motivation like.
Why would you do that? Right, you know it doesn’t make sense.
Now now he’s gon na want to kill you wow that was messed up, yeah and, and so Mike said, that about Buster about Buster’s Mom after she died.
I don’t believe that he said that huh it was on tape wow.
He probably regret that cause yeah.
He said I was young and whatever okay Buster was looked at as a joke aspiring partner.
No one took it seriously, it’s like when, when I people don’t realize I’m old enough to remember, although he very very young, but when, when uh Ali fought Liston Ali was consider or Cassie’s clay was considered, a flake he’s amusing, but he’s not going to go around With Liston there’s no way on Earth, he can beat Liston.
You know the best odds you could get were seven to one against most had it 10 to one or 15 to one that Ally doesn’t go one round and when Ali won they wouldn’t believe it.
They just would well had to be fixed.
It just had to be picked.
There’S no way you can beat listen, so Ali put a pulled, the rabbit out, the Hat, huh well, Allie said before the fight.
You see him and he said I’m tired of all you big mouth reporters you’re sitting here.
Building listing up you know he’s in his 40s he’s not 32.
You know he works for the mob.
You never mention it he’s slow he’s ponderous.
He does the same thing.
Two steps forward double jab right hand, i’m, but he could punch.
He could punch right, but he said doesn’t matter you can punch, you can’t catch me.
He said I’m I’m too young, I’m too pretty.
I’M too quick, I’m too mobile and I hit a lot harder than he realizes.
I’M, not a child, I’m 6 foot three and three quers and I’m 210 pounds I’m going to whoop him.
No one believed them like a butterfly sing like a bee C Pickering.
Tomorrow, night, yes, Josh Wagner taking on AB yeah Abram Ramirez uh Mark Smither on the card, another undefeated super lightweight, taking on Paul CEO uh.
We got Sarah Joe who’s two- 0 right now coming up in that super fly in the in the women’s division and Joshua Frasier uh8 and0.
This kid super welterweight out of Canada, great kid to watch uh this one’s taking place at the casino too bad.
We’Re not we’re not going there.
Tyler buckon, hey Tyler, we emailed you what happened.
I’Ve been to a lot of Tyler’s fights, he Tyler’s a really good promoter and I like him a lot.
He knows what he’s doing.
I guess I guess he doesn’t uh credit us as being media.
Well, I I when I went to his fights, I worked for the fight Network and then I covered him for some papers after, but is he? Is he Canadian yeah? Okay, he’s Canadian, a Frasier, uh’s father Dwight is a very good trainer, very kind heart Ed person and very knowledgeable.
You know and it’s it’s a good fight, but even they they they’re pretty well the promoters in Ontario I mean there’s other.
I shouldn’t say that there’s other promoters in Ontario, but all of them still have problems.
You know they’re lucky to get on cable access and they put on good fight cards and people yeah.
They do they do they.
They have good matchmaking.
I I yeah and they offer it for nothing yeah, the TV and TV stations do thanks, and I I I don’t understand, you’re getting free programming.
You can air any time and they still say no another card, one sec, one sec Mike there.
The irony of that, though Lou is we at talk and fight, get invited every day by promoters in the states uh as to whether we want media accreditation to their fights, so talking fight gets invited to American fights.
Yet we we, we don’t even get invited to one that’s happening: uh 20 minutes away from us yeah.
So there’s a bit of a weird uh.
You know Canadians just don’t anyway.
I won’t go there before you before you start on another fight.
I want to bring us back just to that heavyweight division for one second, because I was reading this interesting article about uh, mammu Char, who was who took over the WBA.
I think regular uh heavyweight, champ, title uh, and so he had to defend it against.
I forget who it was: Jal, not Jal Charlo, but someone J and that guy uh for someh reason backed out so now the WBA have to find him a A ranked uh competitor and the big name.
That’S come up unbelievably because we can’t ever go by without speaking about Eddie, Hearn uh, but Eddie Hearn is saying why not Anthony Joshua fighting mamar, which will then put Anthony Joshua in a position to fight the winner of the the usk Tyson, Fury fight there.
You go well, I think Mike’s reaction is the reaction that all fight fans around the world will have yeah they’re they’re.
You know it’s like saying: this is what I’m going to do: uh in order to get a title fight, I’m going to fight 85-year-old, Lucille Ball and when I knock her out, but she’s 85 and she’s a woman.
But when I knock her out, that puts me in line for the title yeah.
If you beat someone who wasn’t 85 and a woman Char manual Char is, it sounds like something you set at a setting on your oven, set it to Manel.
Jar was older than that.
I thought Luc ball was older than that yeah, and so I’m making Mike laugh that’s but M mud or Emanuel.
Whoever you want to call him any.
He he’s fought something like six in the past three years like if, if I’m not mistaken, like his he’s, not exactly sitting defending anything he’s, no obviously looking to make a buck.
But I just thought it was funny that somehow who, whose name slimes into the picture anony Joshua EDD Hearn, is like y Sam from war, Looney teams, you I’m gon na, tell youb just can’t believe a word that comes out of his his mouth, I’m GNA, I’m Going to have to go but I’mma talk to you later or tomorrow.
Okay, we’re going to still we’re going to work things out, but I have to do something I have to do something in a few minutes: okay, CH, that’s gon na B, but I’m gon na talk to you guys, um about it.
Okay, all right talk about it and stuff and have good night CH, okay and you’re almost over anyway.
I GNA thank everybody, for I just want to thank you for having me on.
Okay, you don’t have to has champ the the privilege.
Is ours yeah? Yes, exactly! Okay, all right, so I got to do something else, but I’m GNA talk to you about it: okay, okay, champ! All right! Thank you! Everybody talk to you later have fun champ, always all right! Thank you, but you know, Graham I mean Eddie.
We could do a whole show on the Ridiculousness of Eddie Hearns.
Absolutely I mean it’s the comedic stylings of Edward Hearn yeah.
I I I mean calling calling Manuel j a heavyweight champion.
I I you know it’s like calling the CFL a football league.
Now I shouldn’t say that, because I have a lot of friends that, like CFL but eight eight teams and they all make the playoffs yeah and they’re all Nam rough riter, so CFL the participation League yeah that that yeah, you know the it’s just ridiculous.
Punt Pass! Kick anyways Eddie hearn’s an idiot and you know he’s a [, __ ] and just I I feel like that.
Rick moranz character is the agent inctv you you don’t know what you’re talking about you’re an idiot Eddie, Eddie Hearn, just you know, Anthony Joshua will fight him and then he’s gon na fight, Joe Lewis’s Widow and after he beats her uh.
I heard I heard Muhammad Ali is coming back from the grave to take him on after that right and Muhammad Ali’s granddaughter great-granddaughter who’s who’s, seven she’s going to go on and fight Manuel chart and then, of course, when she wins he’s gon na have a big Problem so I mean Eddie Hearn should just shut up, you know, Josh Warrington didn’t lose.
He got knocked out.
Uh my Fighters didn’t take drugs.
They were caught on three different tests eat all four of them.
You know better just to say.
Yes, they did it.
Sorry.
So what you’re saying is he’s talking so much [ __ ].
He needs hip waiters, he needs hip waiters.
I mean you know.
If he talk any more [ __ ], you need a plunger to put in his mouth.
I I mean I feel like Rodney.
I’M all right now, but last week I mean this guy.
You know it’s like it was like listening to Don King and and that that’s Eddie Hearns, and when I watch Eddie Hearn, I just mute the TV.
It’S the same.
It’S the same.
When I can.
I talk to you about life insurance, no get lost just muted.
I can’t listen to Eddie Hearn, I it’s the same as when I saw the broadcast with Adrien Broner Broner’s got him hurt and Broner’s this and just shut up like like the useless facts that some of these commentators throw in the boxing match.
Oh, did you know that he likes to water, his grass every second Thursday at 7 pm uh? Oh, look at that jab and the right.
Oh, and did you know that he also volunteers down at the local pool sco up [, __ ]? Of course it’s a blowup pool in someone’s backyard but well services, but he still volunteers, so it against his criminal year.
Criminal Court dat.
But still I mean when Broner was getting killed by this guy.
You know BR when Broner wins, he’ll fight, Devon, Haney, Groner, couldn’t spar with Devon Haney, no Broner’s old fat like me and O over the hill.
His boxon career is over and of course he did a very smart move.
He signed with 93y old Don King.
You know who’s who’s got less pole than a fish, so I mean I mean, and these are the things we were.
All three of us were talking about before the boxing fans watch and think so I I wouldn’t mind watching Broner get knocked out and oh $ 29.
99.
Are you kidding fadrian Broner for like what’s H, I’d be rude, but I shouldn’t because you know I could say other things.
Oh yeah, I know what you mean, like I better get something out of that 29.
95 other than that fight, yeah and – and you know, as much as I don’t like Don King.
When you look at his fights from the 70s, the undercards were phenomenal.
Yeah I mean he had he had uh Eddie mustaf Muhammad.
He had Mike Rosman.
He had Matthew, sad Muhammad yakie Lopez.
I mean Alexis aruo eron PRI, all these guys on undercard fights.
These were stacked, fights, fight cards, and now you don’t you don’t see that and now, when you read the commentary right online or you know, which is the only place, you’ll find it now it it’s, they just say: undercard is terrible, but the main fight should be Pretty good yeah so well, you know this next card, I’m gon na mention Ben shom last one.
I want to talk about uh, LS, green, taking on Sam Gil for the Commonwealth.
Super Welter, title Gil’s a good fighter.
Yes, what I do like is the undercard here.
Male L, 17-0 cruiserweight taking on Isaac Chamberlain that one’s for the British Cruiser title and then chis, aring stall, taking on Vanessa Bradford, uh, yeah, aring stall, she’s great love watching this girl uh.
You know 4 and0 trying to keep that uh that o going.
I think she’s gon na do well also Michael Hennessy Jr is taking on Joe laws.
This is a nice little card here that the the boxer’s putting on uh it’s going to be shown on United Kingdom sky, so check that one out guys, if you don’t want to watch the other ones Well here here’s a question because um, Graham you earlier you Mentioned um sorry uh, the local promoter, who’s, putting on car fights backer, yes, and so I always wondered where his money comes from the the the the: where does the money come from and with Ben Shalom? How? Where does he come out of nowhere to do this? I mean this is where people say Well, it has to be the M because who else has the disposable income? The banks aren’t going to give them the money.
You know you’re not going to get a a a.
You know a broker to give them the money.
I mean the money come from somewhere and Mobsters are usually the people with the most disposable income that that they can give someone.
So I’m not saying they do that.
I’M not say Baxter does that or bench alone, but but who knows where the money comes from? Exactly you never know, you never know so and is Amanda Serrano ever gon na refight or fight rematch with Kate McKinnon.
Was it Kate McKinnon? She fought Katie Taylor Katie Taylor.
That’S right, um! Hopefully I don’t think so.
No, I probably won’t happen.
That was a great fight.
You know you know i’ like if we we only got a few minutes left here.
I wouldn’t mind talking about Simon Keane uh only for our British friends who are listening.
Uh, Simon King uh, Simon Keane, I believe, he’s heavyweight and he’s he’s over in Saudi Arabia to fight October 28th E, I believe, on the undercard of uh Fury nanu uh, but he we tend to overlook him and he’s got okay, I’m just guessing here.
20 22.
Wins 23 he’s he’s 23 and one with 22 Knockouts, so he lost to Dylan Carmen.
I think once so.
He he’s up against Joseph Parker, so that should be a good fight that should put the British on on notice that hey man, North America’s, got enough heavy weights to take over uh those top spots or of being left F.
Well, his his last fight.
He took out Eric Molina TKO on the seventh yeah, so yeah.
I I like him.
I just think some, not a Chism, but sometimes during a fight.
His balance is off, but so are a lot of Fighters, but I I like the look of him yeah.
You know, like he’s ranked he’s ranked 34 out of 1417 in the world, he’s number one in Canada in the cruiserweight, but his age.
He he is 34 right, like now’s Now’s the Time to make a push.
He’S.
Not he’s not he’s not really ranked high enough to be in that in that you know World title contention yet yeah.
Well, you know, except for Tyson most heavy in Ali, most heavyweights, don’t mature till later on yeah! That’S true! It’S true! You know, but as as Canadians, if we don’t get enough fights, we get rusty yeah and you know I Kean kean’s, really not fighting enough for me to or for really people to really know him he’s not getting enough exposure.
That’S a problem.
I I wanted to make a quick comment about something grae you said earlier, I didn’t come out right.
You were talking about the other revenue streams and books and that it’s not that I I I said I don’t care, that’s not true.
I do care, I said, what’s what I mean is what’s frustrating? Is you come up with great ideas and then the people in charge go? I don’t want to hear and that’s frustrating because you think you want to say to them.
You can at least listen for 60 seconds.
It’S not going to hurt you.
You know, listen, listen to my idea, nope and if you do tell them it’s more than likely they’ll steal it.
Well, what what I, what I found is.
Is you tell them a great idea and they say okay, how much you gon na pay me to implement that great idea like? In other words, if I go to a promoter – and I say, can we do this this this and this uh in terms of uh? What’S on the table with respect to the grant of rights, they will turn around and say: that’s fine, you! You pay us UPF front.
If you think you’re going to sell a th000 books, pay us $ 10,000 up front and you can have those book rights.
You want the movie rights, you think you’re going to sell a million tickets than gives a million bucks up front and and that’s the way uh the common promoter looks at it and and as opposed to a partnership.
So it’s not easy dealing with these guys who don’t think outside the box and have no marketing experience.
I wanted to uh just give a quick little shout out to an upcoming production that we have in the works coming out of Kenya.
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