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Oh hello, everyone welcome to another episode of the scoop featuring the champ bowl of ray on talk and fight, and we’ve got a special episode lined up tonight where the champ is going to answer three very personal questions.
Are you ready? I was born ready who’s.
Your favorite fighter ever actually now very good question because um for a longest time it was very easy.
It was just roy jones, jr, young, roy jones, jr and uh, but now um, it’s uh a toss-up between him and lomachenko who’s.
The best heavyweight right now in the world me what was the best fight you ever saw in your life ever your best fight ever um that you saw in person or uh like either in person or on tv big screen, whatever ever the one, the one you Just wow it’s best fight ever one of the most entertaining uh nail-biting fights i ever saw was a canadian domestic fight um between well two two foes of mine, um, eric martell versus dylan carmen where they knocked each other down eight times collectively over the course of That fight it has to be the most entertaining yeah the most entertaining heavyweight fight in canadian history.
Um, it was just martel got dropped five times um, he dropped uh dylan three times and yeah.
It was right to the end.
You didn’t know who was gon na who’s gon na live like genuinely now that was the arguably the best fight i’ve ever seen in person, um best fight i’ve ever seen on on television um, oh god, there’s so many there’s, so many uh classic fights.
I, like, i, really enjoyed the fight okay.
Well, there’s one fight, um vlad vladimir klitschko versus ray austin.
I use this as a tool to teach my students um exactly the.
How important left hand is in this fight.
I think it was a world title fight, um.
Vladimir klitschko didn’t throw a right hand, not once right, handed and knocked him out in the second round.
He just he just he used his jab, he used his footwork and he used distance and he just busted him up with just one hand, and i thought that was incred.
That was an incredible feat, especially at that level.
It’D, be one thing if you if he was beating up some school kid um, but this guy is like world ranked like yeah, and he was that much more dominant than him um.
Another fight that i thought was uh incredibly entertaining to watch was the fight between lennox lewis and shannon briggs um.
I gained a great deal of respect for atletics during this fight um for reasons that he doesn’t even understand or not.
Well, not that’s, but doesn’t really know.
Um lennox, i predicted that linux was going to take shannon in three rounds and as far as i’m concerned, i was right.
Even though the fight went five rounds.
The first two rounds, lennox didn’t, show up and he actually got rocked twice.
He lost both rounds and uh.
He looked like he was in danger of actually losing the fight and he did something that i think is telling of his legacy and what makes him at least in my books, in the top five heavyweights of all time, um in that he changed his agenda.
He changed his his strategy um part way through the fight, which is actually really difficult to do.
You have you have to understand something you’ve trained for whatever amount of time.
Your period, your your your training camp, was um with strategy as to how you’re going to beat this guy and you’re working on it, and you work how you work on it and then you get in the ring and that way isn’t working.
So you have to switch gears and it just so happens the gear that you switch all to is also very you actually end up being successful.
I thought that was um.
That again was another um great example.
As to the cerebral part of boxing um, he totally changed up his his game plan came out in the third round after being rocked twice like the fight was almost done twice and he was in trouble um.
He came out in the third round and he just start.
He just start peppering him just start peppering him pity, pat pity pat boom pity pat boom pity bat boom, and in doing so he blinded him and then gave him um a punishing blow, and that is what turned the tide, and there was nothing left of what You call it um, shannon briggs.
Now the arguably the worst beating any human being has ever taken has to be shannon briggs versus vitale klitschko what vitali even said.
That cannot be good for your health, the amount of punishment that man took and he stayed on his feet.
Well, i think he got knocked down once, but maybe but most importantly, he finished that fight 12 rounds and he just took a sound beating.
I heard through the grapevine that post that fight he went straight to the hospital he was there for a month and i could totally see why, because he took a sound pounding, so i could see any one of those fights being like i’d love to.
I love watching those fights over and over again so other than the uh famous rope-a-dope made famous by muhammad ali.
What are three of the greatest innovations you’ve ever seen in the sport of boxing um, the rope dope? Is it’s not just it’s not just him.
Um laying on the ropes that made that style, so amazing um other people have done it differently, something that the layman will not know and ali did well.
No all he didn’t do really in the robodome, but um the evolution of the broken up.
Let’S say that mayweather did this to conor mcgregor in that you just stand there and let the guy throw punches at you.
You make sure that your defense is tight and then you walk forward you’re, not throwing any punches at him.
You don’t have to throw punches at him.
He can throw all the punches.
He wants to try to fight you off and especially if he doesn’t know how to fight going backwards.
He’S going to have heart palpitations because he’s giving everything he’s got fearing that you’re going to hit him you’re going to um, unleash your fury eventually, so he wants to put you away, or at least in some way, shape or form.
Intimidate you enough to actually take a step backwards and when that doesn’t happen, he’s fearful of the unknown and all he does is he keeps punching.
He starts breathing hard.
Like i said his heart is pounding, he’s actually getting scared, because what do i need to do to deter this madman from coming after me and then the reality hits there’s nothing you can do and the person hasn’t even done anything.
All he’s done is walked forward.
He hasn’t you just covered up and walked forward.
I don’t know um.
I would have another incredible innovation.
I love marvin hagler marvin hagler’s ability to switch from southpaw to orthodox back to southpaw, so gracefully like and again from the layman’s standpoint.
You, wouldn’t you wouldn’t necessarily know, but when an orthodox fighter is fighting an orthodox fighter and then the earth and then his opponent turns into softball it’s not simply doing the opposite.
It’S it’s completely.
It’S a completely different chess game.
The chess game between orthodox and assault ball is so complicated for the orthodox fighter, because they seldomly see saltpaws that even a saltpaw fighting a saltpaw is awkward.
Very few southpaws know how to fight southpaws.
It’S not simply just the mirror, reverse it’s completely different and the ability to be able to do that at like on a dime just part way through the fight is rather sensational.
It’S um it’s right.
I i i’m just learning to do that now myself to tie that to my right door.
So um, that’s two uh! What’S the third, what’s a a third linux lewis has an innovation.
What would that be? I can’t remember, because you told me when i very first met you and you, you said that one of the greatest innovations in the sport of boxing was uh courtesy of lennox lewis.
I can’t remember exactly what that innovation was, though, there’s a question for you that, like this is done um a bit um.
I i like.
I said i one of my favorite fights that i studied over and over and over again was the fight with him and and uh shannon briggs and how he turned up.
I pivoted he also in his fight with razor erotic.
He also showed me something that i just learned.
Well, not just i just started implementing is understanding what reach genuinely is and how, if you’re longer you’re just longer, therefore go ahead.
He’Ll never touch you.
If you don’t let him if you don’t, want him to he’ll.
Never touch you and that’s what lennox did in uh, what you call it with ruddock um.
I thought that was actually rather rather impressive and he he destroyed him in two rounds.
How did oliver mccall beat lenox lewis uh [, Music ]? I was going to ask him this on my show tomorrow, um he what i heard was.
He went and spoke with mike tyson when mike tyson was in prison, and i i don’t know if this is this again.
This is what i heard he went and visited mike when mike was in prison and asked him what was for a tip like what do you think you should do and he just caught him in between punches.
He slipped on the inside and caught up with the big right and lennox was.
Linux was back in those days really pawing um really pawing.
With his jab like he was.
He was a lot of people found him boring, but i thought he was actually methodical.
He he throw that big jab, but he didn’t always bring him back and he all he left himself a little bit vulnerable a little bit open because he didn’t bring it all the way back and in doing so you got caught with the cross.
But that’s right looks like we have uh chris baxter chiming in here.
Saying lewis didn’t take him seriously.
Is that true um? I don’t know i i couldn’t say um was buster douglas taken seriously, not by mike no no not by mike mike and there there’s there’s.
So many things that mike came up with afterwards saying how he was.
Apparently he was sick.
He had the flu or something like that, like okay um, even that fight’s controversial, because mike knocked down buster, i think uh two rounds before or the round before.
He got stopped and in knocking him down it was, it was actually a long count and uh is.
Is there argument that he uh the fight should have been overturned and given to him? I don’t know so i can’t remember if you had one more innovation up.
Your sleeve or not uh, no, no! No do you do you have uh oliver mccall coming up? Is he gon na come on tomorrow night he’s coming on tomorrow, night cool yeah, it’s going to be that’s going to be a great conversation too yeah.
You had a great conversation last night that one surprised me i came out of the blue.
Adam bush is um like he genuinely should be seen as a canadian icon um.
He was incredibly dominant as an amateur like i said, nighttime canadian champion um, but he was like you had to see him him with this.
He had this awkward uppercut that he loved to throw um it’s it came from nowhere, but it it go through the gym.
So um yeah he he was an impressive fighter for such a twig of a guy um.
He could crack he could.
He could really swing uh the boys in windsor.
I found to have an incredible advantage because they were right across the river from detroit and they got the opportunity to if not spar like ridiculously.
They got to fight all the time they had fights all the time as an amateur.
I found it very difficult to find fights actually as a pro the same way, but even even more so as an amateur i can easily.
I can easily say that i would have had probably twice as many fights if i, if all my fighters, if all my opponents showed up, can i answer that question um.
So the question the question is: did floyd patterson ruin razer roddick’s career, i’m not too sure exactly how the two crossed over um.
I didn’t know that patterson had anything to do with uh ruddock didn’t patterson die, didn’t patterson die in the 80s, come on chris baxter.
What he got sorry, i was dominating your it’s supposed to be your two minutes tonight and uh.
I kind of took that away.
Sorry, it’s quite all right! I am having a bit of fun with you tonight.
Oh no, he died in 0-6 wow, okay, my bad um.
No! What i wanted to say was the fact that i’ve done over uh i’ve done over 55 shows wow holy yeah.
That’S what i said: i’ve done over 50.
This is like my 56 or 57th show county, but who’s counting, exactly and uh.
I want to thank my viewing public uh for the opportunity that they’ve bestowed upon me with it with this um this chapter within my journey.
This has been nothing shy of incredible to know me is to know that i am an athlete and i’ve been an athlete for a while um.
Well since age five, that’s gon na, say you’re bored you’re born an athlete pretty much okay, i came out running.
I came out fighting out fighting yeah, um and i’ve fallen in love with boxing, at least for the past three decades.
Learning it studying it.
I’M nothing shy of a student of the game.
I’Ve evolved, i’ve evolved and this opportunity has given me um an ability to actually like really study the game, and it’s been just jaw-dropping, the the the stuff that i did not know that i m my eyes been open to um just even just last week.
The whole series of last week – i didn’t, really know i’ve heard of charlie burley, but i didn’t know the rest, and i didn’t.
I didn’t realize how how bad it actually was.
Um studying uh sugar, um, sunny, listen and how hated he was and how unfortunate his whole life seemed to be.
He started off unfortunate.
He died unfortunate, um just getting to know these these these uh these icons, these legends more intimately is it’s been nothing shy of enriching for me and uh.
This opportunity to do so is made possible because of this platform and the [ __ ] and the scoop you know.
So i once again i wanted to thank the viewing public for this opportunity and you know i’m not going anywhere, i’m still coming back so yeah.
You guys got uh, you guys got in jeremy, just a little longer so another season, another season of the scoops at the at the very least yeah someone said say to me: uh, hey, do you mind doing uh 55 shows with big ray clown.
Maybe we’ll do 15, maybe we’ll do 20 uh.
You know 55 nah, no, we’ll! Never we’ll never be able to talk for that one – and here we are, this is good.
So this is awesome, so yeah yeah, it’s uh, it’s it’s! So, let’s, let’s just wrap back around to uh one of our fans out here so deployed patterson, rune, razer, wright’s career, so chris baxter chimes in after the tyson fights floyd came in to train reddick, some blade some blame floyd for the loss to lewis home.
I look at i’ve studied because i had a i was going to fight him and i fought him um.
I studied him and watched some of his uh fights, even though the man that i thought was not the same guy that atletics fought.
Thank god um.
I was not.
I i even though i beat the the the roddick that i fought, and it was nothing shy of just a scandalous mistake, um other than that that that gave him the w that mean um.
He was not the same ruddock that i studied.
He was a shell of the man he he had.
He had an awkward uppercut but a powerful one back in the day and if you walked into that, god help you bottom line.
God help you so um, but lenox fought him beautifully and i don’t see it changing.
I don’t know what game plan like i didn’t see anything in his prior fights.
That would have alluded to him being able to beat lenox.
He beat lennox.
Apparently he beat linux in the amateurs um.
He may have been one of the last canadians to beat linux uh.
Don’T quote me on that one, but he did beat linux and the amateurs, and just because you did in the answer doesn’t mean that it’s going to happen to get in the pros fought a very smart fight in that fight.
Um yeah, you can’t uh this chris baxter says you can’t make a slugger into a boxer very much, so you can um and you had some big guys, big punchers like if you look at george foreman, the young george foreman, he was nothing but power.
He couldn’t spell box um, something that a lot of people didn’t realize about.
George was that as an amateur he was.
He was an absolute wrecking machine, but but there was a few times that he was fortunate, that it was only three rounds because he had he’d be gassed out, throwing these helicopter punches with all his might and pretty much someone doing the what’s called the rope-a-dope.
You essence um, but eating it too, and they’d survive and, oh, dear god, they’d survive and he’d be gutted.
He actually got it.
He didn’t understand how to pace himself, how to how to throw off off speed shots um how to just use the jab use a jab to buy yourself time set up punches, clear out.
Paths simple! Well, i shouldn’t say simple things, but it’s like it’s.
What boxers do um before i tried to make too drastic, quite possibly quite possibly, but i still don’t know what the strategy was.
I i didn’t see in watching the fight again.
Linux fought that brilliantly.
He used his reach.
He used his his dominant reach to set him up and punish him from a distance and caught him.
It was, there wasn’t a whole lot.
He was going to do like unless he was going to adopt a more defensive style, um slipping counter-attacking, which i didn’t see him doing.
I didn’t see him slipping a whole lot, more more blocking pairing and coming back with shots and if you’re gon na do that.
Against a guy who’s taller than you good luck to you, so are these younger heavyweights today, fighting mainly over there in britain? Are they fighting a different style these days, different style? You have guys, like the big, the big.
The big question was uh uh joy, joyce versus um, daniel dubois dubois, and i was just like i’m not all right.
I don’t see them going anywhere against, especially against fury fear i’ll block, both of them in the same name fury’s, and i and i’m not a big fury fan he’s, he’s gaining a whole lot of success, but currently, which is astonishing to me, um how he beat.
He didn’t beat vladimir vladim vladimir lost that fight, because vladimir is a brilliant fighter and he came in there and lost the way ali versus um.
What does ali do goes into gets into listen’s head trash talking, whatever the case would be, listen wants to kill it and when you fight angry, you fight tents and when you fight tents, you’re, a victim you’re, just gon na get punched out peppered like crazy, and That’S exactly what happened goes up against um.
What’S regard george foreman exact, same exact, same strategy, try calling him sis calling him all sorts of names, and what does george do? He wants to break him in half all this power wants to do all and he just tired himself out.
So then what does uh tyson fury do to vladimir klitschko? He starts talking a whole lot of smack now granted vladimir did say you know, everybody talks smack and then i beat them up and then they’re good friends, but he was no.
He wasn’t bought off um.
The question was whether or not sonny listen was bought off.
I haven’t i, i do not believe that he was bought off in any which way she before you, even in the second flight um.
I think he got caught with a legitimate shot and he no, he wouldn’t take you into.
He would have taken a dive, but that’s i didn’t know the man.
I know people who knew the man and that’s what they that’s they’re they’re of the same uh opinion um, so is tyson fury gon na beat joshua.
No! No, i just i just i don’t see it.
I think tyson fury as far as i was concerned, tyson fury beat deontay wilder twice.
He won that he won that first fight.
That was just an utter robbery, but then, over and above that um he he recognized or if they saw something, and that is what i’ve been saying since jump street dante wilder was nothing shot of a victim waiting to happen.
I don’t understand how a man who is six foot, seven, my height, who is 212 pounds and nobody mauled him.
I don’t understand this, not one person said maul him.
I kept saying if i had the opportunity i’d grab him.
I throw him into the corner and i would rip his body apart.
He he can’t sustain anything, he’s a fantastic like biomechanically, fantastic, throwing that right hand for the most part he can’t box.
He doesn’t know how to box, but that right hand which is his bread and butter.
Yes, it’s accurate and it’s powerful.
As long as you are at a certain distance, once you close that distance, he has no power and you could destroy him because he’s a weak guy when he’s inside and that’s all fury did he just mauled him now.
If he thinks that anthony josh was anywhere remotely close to having that low, a boxing iq he’s in a lot of trouble, because i he just doesn’t um, he i see anthony stopping him.
I see anything genuinely stopping who’s, the uh who’s, the the russian guy uh.
Oh gosh who’s, not uh who’s, the russian guy, not not the klitschko guys, the the up and coming russian fella, who is uh up and coming russian guy um come on chris.
You can help us out on this.
One um hang on uh uh.
No not not better, be off either um, oh gosh! No! What’S that guy’s name! I know you’re sick ukrainian.
Is you sorry ukrainian? Yes, what do you call you so apparently uh yeah i’d like to see uh music have a chance uh like i’m pretty yeah.
I don’t think he’ll do well, really.
No um he’s he’s a sensational boxer, but the reality is he’s a small he’s too small um he’s not a ferocious puncher he’s a good boxer and he’s going to go up and he’s and against these guys, who are just a bit bit too big for him.
He will not outbox fury, he will like.
Actually i shouldn’t say that fury will be able to use his power, use his weight to use his size to smother him and make um make it a very long night.
I i don’t see him being fury and then josh was just way too strong.
It’S gon na be a it’s gon na be a good year.
I’M really looking forward to seeing who reigns supreme.
There’S some interesting fights um.
I i was really really really disappointed to see what happened in the last um povetkin uh dylan white fight uh with povetkin getting destroyed um.
I only saw the highlights, but like wow, i went to camp with povetkin years back and povetkin is a special guy to me, because my story is that i was supposed to go to the 2004 olympics.
I i i was a canadian champion and then it was deemed that i was 54 days too old to go to the olympic games, which was nothing shy of nonsense.
Those 2004 olympic games is the games that povetkin actually won the gold medal at.
So when in 2006 i was offered an opportunity.
Not just first opportunity was.
I think my first opportunity was to fight him.
No first opportunity was yeah.
First opportunity was to fight him, but i i injured my.
I broke my hand so that went to the wayside, but my coach at the time said: yeah you go, you go off and fight them.
You will get uh, you beat them.
This is your gold medal.
This is your olympic gold medal, and am i ever so glad that i didn’t get to fight him, because when i went to camp with him he showed me exactly how many levels behind him i actually was um.
Could i beat him, i think so i think i have.
I understand how to fight him, but at the time wow he was nothing shy, tenacious.
He had nothing shy of boxing iq that i just hadn’t seen.
Yet he was he.
He was like a tasmanian devil um.
He threw like one six punch combination after another after another until you submit, and then i didn’t have the footwork that i have today.
So it was more of a question of what i was just saying about um.
If you don’t understand how to fight somebody um, if, if everything you throw, is not intimidating or getting a person to take a step backwards, all of a sudden you’re going to have heart, palpitations and start holding your breath and get tired without the person even doing Anything to a certain degree he did that and then he punished me so um.
I was, i thought that he was incredibly clever.
He he won the gold medal in the olympics, um povetkin’s like six two um and he’s not overly small like strong or anything like that he’s just like he’s decent strike, but he’s not overly strong um, but at six two he beat at the go for the Gold medal, a guy who’s, six eight and he has smashed quite a few six, eight guys, like he’s just a giant killer, um in any other era, i think he would reign supreme.
It’S just that.
He came along when guys are really tall right now, um and yet he what’s his face.
Uh dylan white’s only two inches taller than him and uh.
He stopped him, but dylan white’s a freak.
Well, i think i think these modern heavyweight guys the way they’re chirping each other have actually got a lot of interest now from the public.
Re-Interest they’ve stimulated a lot of new interest in in the heavyweight category once again.
Finally, they have they have, but you have like i look at.
I look at the greats before you had um the louisville lip, also known as muhammad ali um.
He just he just talked yeah.
He didn’t stop talking, you know um, but then he also backed it up by being crappy um.
Then you go further on and well now modern day, tyson fury he’s just talking and he doesn’t stop.
You know like please shut up, but you had oh david david haye, david haye.
How did he become? How did he get an opportunity to fight for a heavyweight title so quickly? He was a cruiserweight god he was champion, for.
I think four years had one loss, but then what did he do? He just started harassing the glitch goes and then the world wanted to see him die, so they allowed to get a fight against.
It worked for him to get the title shot, but he couldn’t actually win the fight.
Now you go up and you see guys like tyson fury.
He does the same thing, but then he ends up winning the fight um.
It makes for interesting times it makes for it’s when people, when you have brash big mouth people like this, that society wants to see them get punished for opening their mouths.
That people say yeah it’s an interesting time.
There’S some great have some great talents right now, especially coming up um.
It’S going to be impressive to see 2000 2021 2022 yeah.
It’S gon na be impressive to see some of the contests that are going to unfold.
I concur it’s good to see the management uh teams becoming, shall we say much more professional these days than the days gone by, i mean, if you ask me, eddie hearn is himself a showman and is yet doing a great job in answering questions properly when asked By the media he’s not uh, he doesn’t seem to carry the ego uh that say the don kings that that bob arums used to have uh.
He seems to be, although showman a professional.
At the same time – and i like eddie here – i like austin de la hoya too, but uh – you know yeah england one’s in california.
I’M looking forward to seeing de la hoya come back really yeah.
I he he he retired after getting stopped by um by uh.
Pacquiao and okay, many people have been stopped by pacquiao that i don’t think that’s a reason to stop um.
But and now he wants to come back good luck to him.
Yeah yeah, good luck to him all right! Well, listen! Uh! This is supposed to be your two minutes, uh, so [ Laughter, ], probably one of our longer episodes um so yeah.
So i don’t know any any more questions chris out there and uh chris baxter land.
He like he likes mayweather.
Why yeah, which mayweather yeah exactly good question seriously um? I like i like mayweather, i like mayweather, but i don’t.
I don’t think he should have been.
I was at 50-0, like i remember.
I remember watching one of your episodes where there was three instances where he should have lost precisely he lost.
He should have lost that fight to um to um judah.
He should have been disqualified yeah.
They even say that the with uh de la hoya was questionable as a questionable win.
You know, there’s a lot of guys out.
There say: floyd mayweather, you know greatest pound for pound.
I don’t think so.
No, i don’t think so either no um guys.
I, like canelo, i like canelo these days alvarez i like canelo alvarez pound for pound uh a few years ago, pacquiao for sure he’s genuinely impressed with me, especially he went all the way up to 70 175 he’s beating and he’s crushing giants like he’s, uh he’s Impressing me, the question is now: if mayweather was to come back, i would mayweather do against canal now i don’t know.
I think i think that the canal might might have his number.
I, oh i don’t the only thing with canelo is.
I don’t think that he’d be triple g and that’s the scoop ray leonard really kicked us out.
So that’s the scoop like that.
It was closing, kicked his ass.
Okay, all right all righty there.
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