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EPISODE: Episode 1
Our group of panelists, including champ Tim Witherspoon and author Lou Eisen, provide another weekly roundup of boxing headlines and an array of updates about upcoming bouts and boxers – and share current events and news with the many fans across the world that enjoy the great sport of Boxing!
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Uh yeah uh, hey there, boxing fans around the world.
Thank you for joining us once again here on talk and fight for another episode of the Friday night panel, Lou Isen myself, grumpy Graham and I thought we’d start the show off with something a little different, because I know Mike’s gon na be joining us shortly and He’S gon na probably run through a dozen different fights, but one in particular uh.
I had in mind because we we’ve interviewed him: osaki Foster versus Rocky Hernandez.
I know it’s a super flyweight title, but uh that’s one fight.
I want to talk about because I think also Justin Justice Hy is on the undercard fight facing Andrew Titi, so I I just thought that would be something a little different to start off the show, as opposed to uh start.
Oh there’s Mike now, hey Mike how you doing good.
How are you, my God, you sound rough? I Am rough all right keep on Yelling.
There must be something wrong with the screen Mike because you look a lot like Audrey heurn, that’s Andrew heurn to you! Oh, oh god, um Jackie Foster, was the name.
I was trying to remember last week, really yeah great fighter yeah fighting this weekend, yeah so that that uh, just before you came on there Mike, I was saying uh, I wouldn’t mind uh, just having a few words from Lou about shaki, Foster and Justice.
Hy uh.
You know ra rather than starting off with the obvious, which might involve Tyson Fury, um.
Well, there’s lots of other fights this weekend too.
Well, I know I know so that’s exactly what it said to Lou.
I said before my three minute round.
That’S on right! Now.
Isn’T it if I’m not mistaken yeah, so so, just for for fight fans around the world who may have joined us earlier today we were actually streaming uh, an entire card from Kenya, uh and I’ve got to say what the one thing I noticed about, the majority Of the fights these guys are wild swingers.
These guys swing for the fences.
These there’s like rights, looping, lefts and you’re sitting there going W and then then the commentators, smart fellas, were sitting there going, don’t understand.
Why he’s not using the jab more? And these guys were just swinging like wow.
I’Ve never seen anything like it.
It was really neat.
So pardon me the reason why is they don’t really have much of an amateur system? They don’t have the teachers there.
You know yeah.
I I remember getting a video clip uh from a young Kenyon boxer who wanted us to sponsor him, and I mean we do get dozens of these kinds of requests.
It’S not that infrequent, but the point of matter is: is he sent us a video and his video was like this uh like a cement garage? If you will okay and he goes, this is our gym and I’m going okay where’s the punching bags.
There are no punching bags, there’s no equipment, it’s just uh him and another fella uh.
You know sparring away if you will, and he said I think I got the same video when when I worked for Lennox some guy from Pakistan sent me a video and it was him in a garage just hitting uh a hand, handmade heavy bag and Lennox was Laughing so I said, what do you want me to say: I’m not gon na be rude, but L said we prefer we’re a boutique agency, we’re looking for Fighters with extensive your pedigrees early in their pro career um.
If you have videos just for just for your own edification and I said, he’s not going to know what edification means, but just for your own edif for for for your own well-being in the future, you send clips of your fights, not yourself working out in your Garage right right so any anyway, so that that kind of got us down the path of uh that initial video and subsequent video videos went.
It sent us down the path of exploring the African continent and the amount of fighting that in a good way.
The amount of boxing that goes on in Africa and we were surprised to find out how much of it is completely unreported or even mentioned in the western media so anyway, so today, earlier on talk and fight, we we broadcast an entire card.
Uh nine fights Al together, including two female bouts, so it it was a really good card really exciting to watch very entertaining, I must say, uh couple of Knockouts: well technical Knockouts uh.
Now where was I? Why was I saying all that um? Well, you have a lot of great Fighters that came from there Hogan kid Bassie from from Nigeria was the first uh native African and he was to win a world title.
He won the world featherweight title right.
You had Dick Tiger from bafra who was the middleweight and light heavyweight champion Zuma, Nelson uh from Ghana, yeah, and so there are.
There are a lot of uh of Courage, shabalala, which is my favorite name, and there a lot of great fighters from Africa and even when they did well and fought in the states like Hogan kassi, they had a difficult time getting getting.
Uh press and boxing was really well covered back then in the 50s, the other fighter who we like.
Actually these days is eaba.
I I’m not a big fan of his.
I saw yeah when he got taken apart by um, Frank um.
Is it santarelli? No Frank? The Cuban fighter, Cuban heavyweight fa Jag had easy fights, except for that and he said he said some Fighters.
I think that aren’t that good drop them, so I haven’t seen him recently since he lost to the Cuban Frank Sanchez, maybe or yeah yeah H.
His name came up the other day um.
When I was doing my news, uh show as a potential candidate for and now I forget, the guy.
Oh my gosh senior moment um, I’m older than you.
What do you mean senior moment you’re, not that old? I’M I’m way older than you are: okay, I’m flipping a coin.
How old are you 63? I’M 63.
Oh okay! Oh look at two old guys, two old guys and a young guy all right any anyway.
So getting back to what I was talking about.
Initially uh yeah, so osaki foster uh.
I just thought uh I’d, invite a few comments from Lou about his career and then Justice Hy um, because I I but anyway we oh.
I know why, because then you said the the the the very historic um three minute rounds were taking place for Amanda Sano tonight, which which led me to the uh, the women that were fighting out of Kenya today anyway.
So let let me just if there’s nothing more to say about oaki Foster other than I haven’t said anything about oaki Foster, except, I think, he’s a a a a great fighter and he’s been trained.
Really well he’s been managed, really well Y and he he had he’s.
He has a lot of great skills.
He has great um punch placement, he’s he and he he’s Adept at knowing the geography in the ring, meaning that he knows where he is in the ring.
At all times, uh uh, in, in contrast to the guy he’s fighting and where the ropes are and where the the soft spots in the canvas he puts his shots together.
Well, he he has great eyes and great peripheral vision because he’s able to see shots coming and he slips them so well and he rides with him.
I mean he he’s really a complete package he’s a lot of fun to watch great description.
What about what about Justice? What about Justice uni anything! I think Justice Hy! Just us Hy, I think he’s he’s a good fighter and and uh you know he’s somebody to keep your eye on, but I think uh Foster’s just too much for him.
At this point, I think Foster would be too much for just about anyone, but, but I give Justice uny crit for getting in the ring with him and trying to further his career.
This is what people want right.
I mean in that division he’s going to have to face him sooner or later uh who needs Taking on Andrew toiti, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
I I believe they’re heavyweights yep.
They are yeah yeah, they are, and then osaki is the super featherweight, so yeah taking on he’s taking on Eduardo Hernandez and that one’s for the WBC super feather yeah yeah, those those smaller weight divisions can throw leather.
I mean oh yeah, I’m.
I said this online on on Tuesday, I said: there’s no way that who’s, the the that guy who’s fighting bam Rodriguez, the Brit that is signed for a big fight, no idea that me be news to me um, but I said: there’s no way that anyone beats Bam Rodriguez and this guy in Rodriguez to number one at their weights really yeah.
So this is Bam, Rodriguez and um, Sunny Edwards, Sunny Edwards.
Thank you and yeah.
Sunny Edwards is a really really good fighter and always in motion, but Bam’s an elemental force of nature.
He he’s like a tsunami, he can’t stop a tsunami, you can only succumb to it.
He just rolls over you and what he did to um or I rung or rung whatever.
His name is the gentleman from dial.
This was a a world champion and a heavy hitter and Rodriguez just like Sherman through Atlanta, just steamrolled him, you know.
So I don’t see anyone be i’.
Anyone be bam, Rodriguez, fair enough and he’s so much fun to watch who bam yeah I mean I almost I’m telling you gr.
I almost expect people to say at ringside the announcer to say.
Listen! This fight was a lot more exciting than we thought it would be you’re going to have to chip in a few extra bucks.
That’S good, F, all right Mike, where, where do you want to start, then, with with our preview of upcoming fights? Where do you want to start? You want to start with.
We already start.
We already started with Foster versus Hernandez, oh well, that that was just me picking a because because we because we’ve talked so much about him over the years years, so, okay! Well, let’s uh! I guess we might as well start uh Sano, Ramos yeah.
This is yeah this one honestly MVP is making ground breaking move in.
The quest to you know make women’s boxing rise, put it on the equal footing as their male counterparts.
This is the first three minute rounds for women, uh Sano, again 452 in1 with 30 Kos, seven division boxing world champion and the Undisputed featherweight title holder right now is set to face mandatory WBO, featherweight, Contender, Daniela Ramos who’s only 12 and two with one KO, and I’M telling you this one’s just gon na.
I is that tonight you said I I think it’s it’s.
This is.
This is a shellen in the making um.
You know when is it.
This is.
This is Friday tonight today this one’s going on at Caribbean Royal Resort in Orlando Florida uh, the w WBO, WBA and ibf titles.
Uh fight between Sano and Ramos, scheduled at 1226, is poised to set a long awaited landmark in women’s boxing.
Unlike the past, protocols in the fight will be set for 12 thre minute rounds, Ming the men’s championship so yay this.
This is very significant.
This is a point in history because that’s a legitimate fight, three minute rounds and sano’s a great fighter and she’s.
Also, I don’t know how to put it every respectful fighter, she’s respectful to herself the fans, the sport and her opponent uh.
Earlier this week I saw a comment by Lucia rker, where she said claressa Shield Shields, I think, has early on sent Dementia by claiming she’s.
The greatest woman of all time is she out of her mind.
She’S, never heard my name she’s, never heard Cecilia break housea Ali.
I mean you know.
He said good good publicity, but sorry you haven’t, earned that yet probably she’s sniffing her own farts, yes and and Saran somebody was Sano is a great fighter and I wish she would fight Kate, um Katy Taylor, yeah Katie Taylor.
Again, that’s the fight.
Everyone wants to see yep, you know that was close.
She had Taylor almost out yeah.
I thought she won it.
You know can’t leave it in the hands of the judges like we always don’t right.
You know where that comes from that’s originally from over 100 years ago 1880s from black Fighters where their trainers would say you can’t leave it in the judge’s hands because you won’t get to decision exactly you got ta knock him out it yeah um, leading the most Valuable prospects um will be Antonio Vargas, like this kid 16 And1, with nine Kos uh defending his WBA Continental America’s Phantom title over 10 Rounds.
Um, you know both Sano and Ramos and most valuable promotions prospects will be live on the Zone.
Guys where you can see this, the Sano versus Ramos fight is aiming to redefine women’s boxing, as we’ve talked about.
You know Sano, that for the first Puerto Rican Undisputed world champion began her.
You know her current WBO featherweight title journey by Def, defeating ether Hardy in a grilling 10 round fight in 2019 to clinch that belt.
Since then she’s, you know defended that wwo belt five times so so I I don’t see when you say the first Puerto Rican, you mean the first Puerto Rican woman.
Yes, okay! Yes, yes, I just I’m just trying to take women out of it now and just go by those last names, because it’s just boxing, because now it’s equal we’ve got 12 minute rounds.
So now now now we can kind of keep them on the same same level.
There can can I interrupt for one sec, sorry Mike, but one of the things that that was interesting in the promotional uh posters that were flying around about this fight.
Was they they? You know it goes uh.
You know normal women’s poster two women facing each other and uh above it.
It said: uh, uh women’s championship boxing and then in in there’s a big red X through women’s.
So it’s just championship boxing, so there you go, that’s a good way of doing it that that’s a good poster, yep yeah uh! You know Ramos she’s an experienced boxer at a Buenos Aries.
You know with roots of Sal Pao Brazil uh.
She was declared the w o uh on August 28th as a mandatory Challenger for sano’s featherweight title recently: Ramos clinch WBO inter term World featherweight Championship besting, Brenda Karen uh Carbell in Buenos Aries Ramos, Echo sano’s sentiments about equalizing the rules for both men and women.
Uh.
You know the founders of MVP, Jake, Paul and uh.
Was it Nisa Darren? You know they’re they’re they’re, setting history tonight with this with this one and honestly you’re not going to want to miss it definitely check it out, it’s all, probably already underway right now.
I believe the one thing I think everyone could we could do now to improve boxing is eliminate every InterContinental, an interim title.
Yes, it’s just bogus.
You know when I, when I I hate to say this, but when I was a kid, they were eight world champions and you knew the name of everyone.
This is ridiculous.
You know other than world champion.
I understand Canadian Champion British Commonwealth Champion, but you know the inum uh uh in recess CH I mean it’s ridiculous and – and it’s only done because sanctioning bodies are avaricious and just want to suck all the money they can from the fighters.
You know yeah yep on a lighter note.
This, under this undercard is full with prospects that all have that o and looking to keep it Alexander.
Rios Vega is on there.
J is in Van hutter Yuri Cil Angel Chavez, Damen lcal they’re, all looking to uh.
You know keep their keep their wins and and have no losses.
So this is you know this is gon na, be a war so guys, if you have a chance, go and check this one out, it’s starting right now, don’t miss it.
It’S going to be a great one Sano, on top of the world here, ready to set history.
Tonight again, you know she’s breaking all these records man, so I don’t know how um how somebody thinks that they’re the best when there’s all women like this too yeah.
It’S a ridiculous thing to say even Ali said I just said I was the best to promote myself.
You can’t say that I was better than Joe Lewis, you know or Jack Johnson.
I mean he said it’s it’s personal preference, then starting at 9:00 um.
We got a bumble gonzale.
The update on this one Bumble Gonzalez had to step back from Friday’s WBO title defense due to an unforeseen illness, making the chance second such step back uh taking the spotlight as a main event.
Now it’s a previously Tagg co-feature.
It’S been upgraded to the WBO.
Interm Junior fly title fight, so we got Renee El Chulo Santiago.
The number four Contender with a record of 11 to three AK Kos the set to challenging unbeaten uh number 15 Kevin Vivas, who 70 and two 7 and0 with two.
This exciting Showdown will span 12 rounds at the iconic.
You know Alex arelo arena in Nicaragua.
Um coming up next in the co-feature is the battle between Welter, WS, Harvin, uar haing from men menag, but now Colleen, Panama City Home, brings his 80 with 6 Ko’s record back to his homeland.
Uh he’s gearing up to take on his local Nemesis uh.
Israel Lopez who’s 113 and one with koos uh this one’s an eight round, Feud that promises to be intense um.
You know we also have in the night a contest for the vacant.
Wbo Latino junor, flyweight, uh, elyn laola Ortega uh, with her 54 record with two Kos, is all set to extend her Victory Run her opponent uh Sylvia Duran, who is three in one with two Kos and then kicking off the televised belts for the night is Gerardo Shocate Sanchez representing Honduras, with his 8-1 5 Kos record, he’s facing the unbeaten Eduardo Chino Alo, who is 11 and0 with five Kos from C Peru uh.
They will compete over eight rounds, both eyeing that vacant WBO, Latino, Jr, flyweight title and then adding to the evening’s uh card uh.
We have the undefeated Alex vilo who’s 4 and0 with 4 Ko’s, and he is ready to test his skills against a Christian Dynam jamus, who is 5 and0 with 4 Kos hailing from Salvador uh.
This six round bow promises to be a scorcher.
The lineup continues with Michael Carmona, three and 0 uh taking on Miguel tal in a fourr round challenge so yeah this one, this one’s gon na be great another one to check out tonight.
Again Friday night boxing got ta love.
You know what Mike I just your face turns red when you’re trying to pronounce these names.
I just wish you could once say on the main.
The main vat is Fred Smith versus Ed Johnson, John Smith, yeah John Smith, ver versus you know, Eddie Johnson.
Wait that can’t be right, it’s gota be something different than that, and you reminded me my do list this weekend.
I have to find a local Nemesis.
I don’t have one sure I can find those are all great cards and yeah definitely definitely great cards Friday night lightweight Fighters always bring it.
They they they’re there to go to war.
You know a lot of that’s because of of their impoverished backgrounds.
These are Fighters that you mentioned that financially, they can’t afford to lose because that means Les they have to win.
This is like I feed my family or they don’t eat.
You know I have that’s right, that’s right! So do you want to talk about the Foster card for or Fury card first, how about Fury, yeah, Fury, okay, Fury, Fury versus nanu, we’ve all been waiting for this.
You know this showdown.
We got.
We got Tyson Fury the Gypsy King, taking on Francis Neu, the guy, who hits the same Force as a Ford Fiesta, hitting you at 60 kilometers an hour.
So I don’t know how good that’s going to be with the gloves that they’re going to be wearing but uh.
You know what oun.
I think, what ounces are the gloves.
I you know, I’m not sure, I’m not sure what theyve they’ve agreed to, but not 8 O all.
If they’re small, I just kidding I’ll, tell you something I have a prediction.
I think Fury will stop him in two rounds.
I watched two different public workouts with nanu this week and last week he’s a novice and it to me.
This is a joke, and I said this when, when Conor McGregor fought Floyd Patterson, you can’t Floyd Mayweather, no Floyd, Mayweather, F, yeah Floyd Patterson did I say: Floyd Mayweather con Conor, McGregor and Floyd Mayweather right.
I said Floyd Patterson, that’s, oh I’m out of T, but but um uh.
Everyone said you have to admit McGregor as a chance.
No, I don’t you know striking in MMA is, is not is way different and they saw like got standing up for 12 rounds and we just saw that guy Nate d, as you know, against the guy who couldn’t fight you know was exhausted.
So I don’t think n has a chance, it’s great, that he has Mike Tyson as a teacher which helped because Tyson had model but m m Nan does if it goes more than two or three rounds.
It has to be staged because you can’t go up against a guy who’s been fighting for over 2025 years, with a great amate of pedigree and beating all the best heavyweights in the world, and that people actually watch this and think Nano has a chance.
He’S got no chance, so so you’re just so.
I get this straight here.
You’Re thinking that Fury’s coming out of the gate, swinging he’s gon na come out and take him out within two rounds unless he wants to give the people in Saudi Arabia the show.
But he’s got as much chance the ganu of winning, as I do, of going on a date with Haley Barry.
So you know it’s hon.
Honestly Neu has you know.
Nanu has the tools right, former UFC, heavyweight champ, but here’s the deal he’s so green in professional boxing that it would be like him playing Polo without the horse right.
You know you you’re you’re, just throwing him into the Sharks.
Man, like there’s no way he’s had enough time to even develop the kind of repertoire that he’s going to face tonight.
He’S not going to you know sure he can strike sure he can hit.
That’S the thing that Tyson Fury just got to worry about he’s.
To worry about just getting clipped with that punch, tyon can take a punch, and you know you know: n nanu, I believe, is the second hardest puncher ever next to Mike Tyson.
That means nothing it’s in a different sport.
All it means all it means is if he Clips him here, he could drop him yeah, but Tyson honestly, the Gypsy King’s got a longer reach been dropped before 10 12 years ago.
I’M not saying he’s gon na beat him, I’m just saying you know he might clip him, he might drop him.
We could see that might possibility.
I don’t think, there’s any possibility.
I I don’t understand why Fury is fighting this crap when he should be out there.
Defending that damn title that he keeps saying’s retired from won’t give up.
You know why I I’ll tell you why, because uh he didn’t want to fight yusk, because he can’t scare him and he canot box him Fury’s, effective, very effective when you square up against them.
Usyk’S not going to square up against them.
Usyk keeps turning and turning his opponents he’s going to make Fury lunge and try to try to punch while moving.
That’S not easy.
To do.
Very few Fighters can do that.
Fury’S gon na Us’s got that great usyk’s got a great pivot.
He’S got very a very wellestablished pivot when he gets in.
There comes on that inside pivots out comes to the side yeah he a South.
No one wants to fight South claw, especially when they can move like that.
Yeah and – and you know he he’s got as a said – he was an amateur Champion.
He was a Cruiserweight Champion, he’s never lost and he’s fought.
Everyone and Fury Fury didn’t want to fight him because he didn’t think he could beat him.
What can I do with this guy? And you see this a lot in in fights, you have a guy who’s, 69ine fighting guy who’s 63, and you know, there’s gon na.
Come a point like when Canelo fought, Mayweather um that Fury, I think, will just grab him and throw him to the ground.
He won’t be able to catch him and usk.
The idea is not to knock Fury out it’s to win the fight so concede The Knockout he’s going to walk in.
Let his punches go and then run and that’s the smart thing to do, and I I I just don’t see Nano tomorrow having a chance, remote chance.
Okay, I’m not I’m not gon na argue uh.
I think he has a remote chance, but uh the the one thing.
That’S interesting that that kind of spills out out of this particular fight is after Fury, then faces yusk.
He doesn’t, he doesn’t need to fight Wilder, he doesn’t need to fight Joshua.
So I don’t think he I I don’t think I think he’s gon na retire after YK.
I I I agree and also you said: he’ll have 10 more fights, but you know I mean how many people Ray Leonard retired, what 12 times so he’s not going to have 10 fights.
You couldn’t make that many fights that quickly.
Nor could his body sustain that he’s not in shape.
Now he looks he looks.
You know you know I mean he looks like me for For the Love of gu.
You know, I mean he’s a fat blubbery mess like me and and uh he’s still gon na.
Have more than enough skill to to muscle memory to do this against usk he better lose weight and he better get in shape right.
This card is stacked.
This card is yeah.
I love I love the did Tim go over.
Pardon me uh.
I believe I believe you did okay, because I know Teddy Atlas went over, so we got Fabio wordley, taking on David adelay uh this one, British heavy Commonwealth, heavy European heavy up for grabs Parker is taking on Simon Keane ibf uh heavy WBO Heavy’s, taking on Simon Keane we spoke about it last week, Joseph Parker, oh okay, I’d like to see Simon knock him out.
Then we got Carlos takum taking on Martin boli uh.
We got arson Beck, Mega, medov, taking on Junior Anthony Wright that one’s for the North American boxing Federation heavy and the WBA InterContinental heavy.
Then we also have Moses ituma taking on istan Berne and uh yeah, and then we got.
We got one super Welter fight on this card and that’s Jack mcen uh taking on uh Duran.
So I hope that one starts it off and then we just get to see a whole bunch of heavy weights, knock the hell out of each other.
All night yeah great card yeah great card, loving it definitely one for the books uh.
I have to tell you every so many boxing people.
I know that I spoke with this week or seen online more accurately said: there’s no way on Earth.
I’M gon na watch.
This fight – and I said yeah – that’s nice to say publicly, but you’re gon na watch the fight right exactly what we do, because we can’t resist.
No, I don’t.
I don’t know how young I was when I watched this fight, but I remember watching Muhammad aliv fight that Japanese yeah and he remember how he lied on his back and he has legs kicking in the air.
I honestly don’t remember the outcome, but there’s no way.
There’S no way I was gon na miss the fight.
You know what I mean yeah.
It was a draw, but Angelo told me that Muhammad got very ill because he had all these edemas in his leg because in noi kept kicking him but said it.
It was all stage, but you have to remember Muhammad loved wrestling and his biggest influence was Gorgeous George.
So you always love wrestling.
You know I mean wrestlers, it’s.
Obviously it’s not real, but they are athletes y yeah.
So it me, I mean if you’ve seen the picture of uh nagu and fury standing side by side.
Yeah like you’ve, seen it like he’s really cut, Nano Nagano looks great, looks great uh, Fury doesn’t but Fury being Fury.
So again, I I’ll give I’ll give uh I’ll give Nagano a slight chance.
Well is: is it fair to say that Fury’s never really had a good physique he’s just yeah he’s one of that’s a good point: yeah! That’S a good point! If, if Nano wins, is he become the World Heavyweight Champion? Oh gosh, uh, no, there’s! No! There is no title up for grab yeah and then we got Oshi Foster Eduardo Hernandez uh this one.
We talked about it earlier Eduardo nunz on this card; Justin hooney Carlos Ortiz, this this guy he’s lost his last four um Javid Ramirez Beltran 10 and0.
Taking on Jose Rosa Mesa, this one’s going to be a shellen.
You know 10 and0 4-2.
We see what goes on there, Hector mongia Calderon 70 and one taking on Oscar Pina Marquez.
Another guy who’s got a 50 % fighting record, so they’re just waiting.
You know they’re just having all these undercard guys just smash crap oute of each other, so that we can watch these heavy uh heavyweight.
Then the two super feathers and that’ll be the whole night there long.
How long is the fury fight scheduled for 12 rounds? Uh? The fury fight, I believe, is scheduled for 10 or 12.
I think 10.
I don’t think it’s for 12.
I don’t know my computer’s messing up or else I’d have it.
It was right in front of me.
It just disappeared.
So so out out of curiosity Mike you you, maybe I missed it, what what is uh justice, H’s uh? What’S his record like, like, I know, Andrew tiid in that 20 fight category, but what’s what’s Justice uni at right these days? Does it say, let you know in a minute: okay, I’m I’m having issues here with my computer, so thought you were gon na poke your head out and say justice.
What’S your record, you know, what’s funny I mean a while, while, while Mike’s looking that up a while ago, we went to uh Cancun and we talked to the people down there about uh, possibly live streaming.
Some fights from Cancun he’s seven and0 Justice un’s seven and0 yeah, honestly just popped right into my head, my computer’s still trying to wow.
I don’t know it’s still thinking! Well, that’s pretty good anyway, any so so we’re down in Cancun.
We’Re talking to these guys we’re saying: hey, we wouldn’t mind putting on a fight down here and, and they literally said uh.
No, you know this is a tourist town uh.
You know boxing is not really the thing for us.
Mexico.
Are you kidding in Cancun, we’re in Cancun, I’ve been there yeah, that’s incredible and we we spoke – and this was just last year and we love when they Li to your face like that and we’re speaking to these people down there and they said no we’re not Gon na have boxing down here so next thing you know, I guess they took it to someone else who had more money and uh next thing.
You know: there’s Justice uny, fighting yeah.
We have drug cartels with the worst crime on Earth, but no boxing, because people could get hurt.
That’S just I love when they lie to you like that.
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, we went to uh sidebar.
We went to also in that same vein.
Also.
Last year, uh the Hard Rock um Hotel who’s having uh a ton of fights, take place uh down in Florida at their various hotel/ casinos.
So we went to the Hard Rock Hotel managers in Dominican Republic, I believe, in pun, P, whatever P Pana whatever and we went, we went to the Hard Rock people and we said hey.
We would like to H.
Take your Festival, Hall, fill it with boxing fans and bring in uh some fighters from across the Caribbean.
Maybe Central America put on a championship fight hosted by the way by Tim, Withers poo, and they said they literally said to us.
No, no can’t do that because it doesn’t meet our brand guidelines for for the for the Hard Rock and we’re and we’re sitting there going well.
That doesn’t make any sense, because the Hard Rock’s putting on all these fights in Florida and I’m sure in other cities.
As well so anyway, so boxing depends.
You know what it comes down to.
There’S an old yish word: schle pole, you know guys you.
It depends who you know in boxing, as you know quite a bit and who you can talk to and and you know when I first started to write about it and try to speak to promoters and famous boxers.
Who are you n? Forget it and then you call back and say, and Angel dundy would call, and then they say yeah we’ll put you right through right, so it it’s and I I’ve seen that so often in boxing you know where you calling your schlap no schlap means pull like.
If you know, oh, you have pull.
Oh, you have right.
So you know, in other words someone who can just pick up Bob arum’s phone and call pick up Bob arum a phone and call Bob arum directly got it.
You know or call someone else directly or get someone to lean on that person to do it that always helps in boxing.
You know in any industry I’ll bet, but anyway, yeah absolutely because most people in boxing, as you know, aren’t going to listen to reason.
You’Ll make more money I’ll give you 100 million.
No, I’m not I’m not interested, I’m giving you a 100 million.
No.
So at that point I you know what, in the in the aftermath of our comments last week about Showtime Showtime going down so I’ve been reading.
Some articles educating myself on this and it’s interesting to see uh how Showtime propped up certain fights by offering so much money, uh that it just didn’t make sense yeah.
I was saying that yeah, yeah and and now Fighters are expecting that level of compensation there at the it’s.
Not there the money’s not there, and it’s interesting, that a lot of Fighters who have a history in the sport uh did, I say, Fighters or writers a lot of the sorry.
A lot of the writers who have a history in the sport were saying back in the old days.
Of course, your compensation would be based on how many people you could draw into a venue asses in the seats.
Correct guys got the most were the guys who could knock you out.
The only exceptions were Tommy Locker in the light heavyweight champ and Muhammad Ali.
They were the only exceptions that they were so skilled, stylist and and Ali would attack.
But but today Al Haymon did this because he signed everyone.
He said you can get Floyd Mayweather money.
No, you can’t, and as Mike and I were discussing a couple weeks ago, you know less than one tenth of 1 % of all fighters earn a living at the sport and out of that, even even less than that earn billions.
It’S only the super Elite level.
World champions, like Fury and other Fighters, several other Fighters that’ll get that money, the the one the one question I have for you lose this then what’s gon na happen, because PBC signed Canelo to a three-fight deal, he’s only had one of those fights and the other Two are supposed to be on Showtime anyway, so is show time obligated to to to air these yes, yeah show time said that they, they won’t be doing regular free broadcast anymore.
They will, in the future, do some pay-per-views, oh pay-per-view, okay and and to a regular Showtime viewer.
It’S that’s not really fair, because I’m paying a premium for your network and – and I think, canelo’s a draw but but um i’ I’d like to see Canelo and Biv again, quite frankly, yeah me too, and and I’d like to see biville but biville will will never Fight AR P BF right, no one wants to fight AR P BF.
Not even she likes fighting everyone.
It’S good! It’S good anyway.
All right Mike sorry, sorry to interrupt.
Go ahead, that’s it! Those are those those are all the fights we talking about.
I can’t wait till we go watch them.
No, no! Those are so tonight’s fight with the mandis Rano.
Let let’s play who you got um.
Let’S have a quick look at that: uh Fury fight again, so so we’re all basically picking Fury, but we give nanu a slight chance.
If I’m not mistaken.
I know we know he’s gon na CL, so so Fabio wardley versus David ad, I’m going I’m gon na.
Go with my man wardley, Even though, even though I do like a delay, I’m gon na go with my man Fabio you can’t you can’t not like a guy named Fabio, Worley, yo, honestly right right, the name just rolls off the tongue.
So nice, you know faan restaurant.
What would you like? My wife and I have a couple of fabul w leads please yeah nice on nice, yes and keep them coming every 15 minutes? Yes, so Joseph Parker, Simon Keane, I think we’re all going with Simon Keane on this one.
I want Simon to win.
He looks good, he looks good, I got ta say he looks good.
I hope I hope he doesn’t get unnerved you’re picking, Parker, I’m taking Parker and his and his brilliant and His Brilliant hands.
I think Parker is a better fighter, but but um I don’t.
I haven’t seen Simon King since he knocked out Dylan, Carman and um.
Who knows how the world stage will affect him right? You know, Parker’s been on the world stage everywhere, hasn’t affected him yeah, although he hasn’t looked good in this recent fights.
No, that’s true! That’S true! He he he may have taken a couple.
Shots too many, in which case Kean would be smart to come out and jump right on them right in heavyweights.
A lot of it.
You got to impose your will on the other guy now, who else? Who else is left Moses atuma? Oh, yes, Moses, Tuma andn, the gentleman that is trying to beat Mike Tyson’s record all right.
That’S the F yep how’s.
He he’s not a heavyweight, though yeah.
Oh, he is okay.
And what record is he trying to beat The Knockout record? No, the youngest heavyweight champ ever? How old is he seven he’s 18 wow yeah he’s uh.
This is gon na, be a six fight, he’s five and0 five koos yep and he has an amateur pedigree.
Of course, if he’s that good, yes where’s, he from he’s out of the UK, okay yeah for for once they have someone to brag about, is he well, I don’t know I like Pula Clark I was par, but is, is he a big guy? Is he like 66 six7 he’s, not a big guy? No, I don’t think so.
Okay he’s not a monster.
He I’ll tell you what and pound wise he’s 236 pounds and the guy’s fighting is 257 as opposed to Martin boli who’s 299 pounds and Carlos takam is 257, so he’s actually coming in at 300b, yeah, hey, hey, hey! That was my birth weight.
Don’T knock it wow wow, that’s gon na be different man boli.
I don’t think boli fights that heavy! No and you know what Mike, if, after after we ordered the fabul Wardle for for breakf or for dessert we’d have the boli yeah yeah yeah.
Definitely chocolate boli yeah yeah I like when flamb yes, yeah, FL, flamb boli, yes, lot of boli I, how is he 300 pound? I I I don’t know, that’s crazy.
Is he hanging out with me? I mean what’s his problem, maybe maybe he’s taking maybe he’s taking a page out of Fury book and just like partying like a champ and eating all sorts of [, __ ], and then he’s gon na try and jump in the ring.
Well, you know it’s it’s because he was, he was a fat kid growing up right.
This is the reason why he got into boxing.
Well, he may be taller, we don’t know he’s going in the opposite direction, but he reminds me uh.
They you know when they asked yvon derell with money.
He got the train.
What did he do? He said he was the light heavyweight.
He it said uh, I I train on cigarettes, beer and potato chips and the rest of the money I just wasted wow.
So you know, I mean the guy who comes in 299.
Pounds should be ashamed.
He’S he’s honestly he’s he’s coming in 20 pounds heavier than his last fight um.
When he fought Tony yoka, he was 275, no discipline, no f focus and no respect no Focus.
It’S definitely that is he’s a fatality waiting to happen.
He obviously thinks Tyson Fury 299 pounds, man.
How much is Tyson Fury coming in at tomorrow.
That’S a good question here: let’s have a quick look Tyson Tyson, Fury 277 wow this.
This guy outweighs Tyson Fury yeah.
He should be, he should have Weight Watchers on speed dial.
I mean.
How can you not look at him and laugh if you’re, the opponent, you know he used just say the same thing about bu, that’s crazy and Buster mathods would have come in at 350, 325 and you know one of one of the coel Howard coel said you Know your doctor said: you’re gon na have a massive heart attack in ring.
You got and he he’s slim down to a swel 275, but still two 299, it’s and who are you fooling at 299? Good thing, I’m not 300, though you can’t call me fat or undisciplined, like tak’s, coming in, like literally 43 pounds lighter wow yeah, that’s not healthy, and the guy that that fat all that fat around him.
He just he he’ll be eating in between rounds like pizza and then it’s not it’s.
It’S no water in between rounds, gon na be meal replacement, yeah meal, replac meal replacement and four heart attacks.
Anyways next round I mean he’s not gon na.
Have any stamina.
He’Ll have no be rubbing him down with krisco in the corner I mean he, he he’s he’s going to be destroyed and, and it shouldn’t be allowed, there’s got to be a thing where a doctor comes in and says yeah that that’s you know that’s too heavy Unless you’re seven feet tall, did he even train? That’S the thing, probably not yeah.
I can’t back in the days like when Ali was first starting out and even when he was champ, you look at the 50s and 60s and 70s.
Even guys were fighting all the time so yeah you didn’t, you know if you they would fight three or four weeks apart all the time, so you didn’t really need.
You just need to hone your timing.
You didn’t really need to go.
Do any hard training.
You know so, but these guys today I mean I’m not going to mention names but uh.
I know Fighters.
When I work for Lennox.
You know we’d say we can get you a good fight in Britain.
I’M gon na need six months to train six months.
What are you Rocky Marciano three months, 12 weeks? That’S enough! That’S what you mean that well then, in other words, you don’t want to fight you’re, just afraid.
That’S yeah, there’s no respect for the sport.
When you come in 299 nope, no respect for your heart either! Imagine all that pressure yeah, I I I mean it when Buster Douglas defended his title against Evander Holyfield uh at the hall of fame bustard told me he was ordering room service from the elevator on the waiter’s room y, that’s hilarious and, and – and I said he Didn’T care he said not in the least because Don King wouldn’t stop suing me and attacking me, and everyone was angry at me and I just thought you know what I’d rather just lose the heavyweight title’s not worth this.
That’S incredible.
You know so yeah got to plug in my laptop before it dies, good good, so um Tyson Fury said something else interesting this week with respect to Alexander yusk, because yusk came out after his last fight and said, I’m gon na need 14 weeks to prepare.
So I think their fight scheduled for December 27, no 28 29, something like that 14 weeks and and and apparently uh.
Someone told Tyson hey that that that yusk might not be ready to fight so Tyson and said: [, __, ] I’ll, just sue him, oh God! So I I don’t, I don’t think how how is he allowed to fight whatever the hell he wants? I know that’s, that’s that’s what I’m getting at here, but I come on.
He’S been he’s the heavyweight champ and he’s retired, twice well: heavyweight champ in one division.
Yeah wants yeah sanction body and and um like have.
They should have ordered him up to fight already yeah, well, that you know what Rick laser who’s been on the show and and and I’ve seen RI Rick and other people in boxing and us are saying.
Why does he allowed to not defend for 18 months? Anyone else they’d be stripped right.
Anyone else would be stripped that that’d be a good one.
That’D be a good episode.
Stripp Fighters who’ve been stripped for not fighting yeah, and the thing is with Fury.
Don’T forget that his his uh Mob backer is now living in Abu Dhabi, a Stones throat from Saudi Arabia, and you know all sanctioning.
Bodies are criminal organizations and people would say say to me sometimes well.
You can’t make a blanket statement: yeah you can, because all you need to do is look at the FBI Files, look at the court transcripts and go to the um ongoing Senate subcommittee, investigation into organized crime and boxing and w BC’s name WBO uh ibf uh.
Mc all of them – and it’s it’s it’s ridiculous – that Fury can get away with it, but he’s exercised some um uh external force on the WBC or paid them whatever that he could keep it and do what he wants.
You know it.
It hurts the sport, it’s not like when they strip that LE you know when they hurt Ali, they hurt themselves well.
What what what’s going to be interesting as an outcome of this particular fight is the effect of Sport washing on Saudi Arabia um.
You know that they’re paying him so much money to fight and he can’t say no to it and he’s laughing.
I mean if you’ve seen his media interviews, he laughs about the fact how much money he’s getting.
You know to the point where he doesn’t care.
Who he’s fighting as in Francis nanu uh when he should be fighting these other potential Champions? So it’ll be interesting to see what happens because you know there’s been a lot.
There’S been, as you both know, there’s been a lot of debate about the Sport washing uh that Saudi Arabia has been facing so after yeah, but that’s a good point.
Wbc has granted Him special clearance is what they say: yeah that that they Bend to rules for whever.
They want.
You know so literally since so he’s been given an unlimited time to defend his world title and we’ll come back and do it whenever he feels like it.
Okay, the thing.
So what what? What are the chances of usk beating him? I think I I make usk a 4 to one favor wow, if not higher I’d, say usk has an over 80 85 % chance of beating him wow.
I just don’t, and you know why.
Graham, this is important to say, because in going over chapters in my book, by the way I got a new publisher but going over chapters in my book.
Thank you.
Um boxing has always equated size with Talent right.
So when Dempsey fought Willard, they thought will d had to sign a clause stating that Willard and tex record the promoter wouldn’t be held responsible when he was killed by Willard.
People actually thought, because Willard was 67, that he could kill people.
They didn’t look at the fact that he had no skill.
He got Jack Johnson when Johnson was almost 40 so and the same with Primo Cara and The Mob build him up.
He killed Ernie sha, he didn’t kill, Ernie sha Ernie sha died of the spinal man and gigus, but they build him up.
We, he six7 guys, who are that big and Fury’s one of them like David Price, although Fury’s more talented, tend to have poor balance.
They don’t have great chins and their best thing is to come forward and lean on you.
But right Talent is never size is never equated to talent, because if it did, there wouldn’t be their Joe for there wouldn’t be wifredo Gomez or Alexis arue or B Rodriguez.
You know and Tito the bigger you are, the harder you fall as Bob fitzsimon said, and, and I just don’t see Fury when it comes down to skill, technical skill, uh yck wins when the skill is equal of two men with two women, then it comes down To who can have better impose their will on their opponent, but the skill isn’t equal.
Usk went through had a much longer amateur pedigree than Ukraine and the vaed Russian system.
He knows what he’s doing nothing happens by accident when he goes in there.
I think a mismatch, well Fury does have a good point, though he Y is a Cruiserweight at 63 220.
Look at some of the weights we just pulled out of the Hat.
I mean at the end of the day, he’s not a big guy.
He well.
I disagree: he’s not Fury’s a dread, he’s a super heavyweight right in Ali’s days.
63 was big.
Yeah gu, guys like like Fury were anomalies.
They were the outliers, isn’t Tyson only 510 Mike Tyson yeah.
He wasn’t much taller than me when I met him.
He’S wide he’s as wide as he as tall yeah and he’s got gigantic fists and a huge think, I’m sure big baby’s.
Only what 6’4 yeah jar Anderson, yeah right, uh Richard Torres, Jr another guys like 63 64 yeah, those were normalized heavyweights, but today, these days as gr mentioned was you know Joe Joyce, 66 Zang.
You know 67 Megan metov, another six7 guy.
We got yeah and that guy the guy from Quebec, the Russian guy from Quebec or Ukrainian guy on this card, yeah 17 and0, taking on Junior Anthony Wright for the North American heavy and the WBA InterContinental heavy – is that tomorrow night that’s tomorrow night! Well, thank you! I’M glad you told me that I think this guy’s got a great shot at beating anyone.
Oh, this guy’s, a monster he’s a monster with a lot of skill and, more importantly, to me he’s Canadian and yeah, and it would be great to see himn he’s six5 and a half he’s a monster.
You know he’s 17 and0 right now, 16 Kos he’s just you know, he’s he’s just he’s.
Just dropping people he’s actually he’s been the distance and won unanimously against Carlos taken yeah.
Well, this is a guy that had you know he comes out of nowhere, but he doesn’t come out of nowhere.
He comes out of the Russian system of boxing with 300 fights or more in the amateurs y he’s with with um uh Mark um.
I can’t remember his name now: the great trainer from Montreal um uh, along with Russ, Amber Ramsey, it’s with Mark Ramsey and Russ Amber those are two great, solid boxing Minds that know how to bring the guy.
You know this guy’s gon na be heard from for many years and he’s a force to be reckoned with.
I think this guy could go in now and knock out Zang and Joe Joyce.
Well, he’s he’s coming up quick on their toes I’ll.
Tell you box rights, got him listed at number 17 out of you know in the world.
We’Re talking, you know, he’s just behind Joseph Parker Jared Anderson, a jbb, a COI chora.
He beat all of them, you know, doesn’t want any part of him.
No, you know what honestly the names that I’m looking at above him in this list.
I don’t think any of these guys want part of this guy.
No he’s gon na knock them all out right.
Gar Anderson is gon na have to one day fight a real fighter.
Yes, that’s right, yeah and we’ll see how good is chin and guys like that, tend to have poor balance, but if he does have good balance, he do well Richard Torres.
I I’m not impressed with, but then he’s fought six bombs and you retire to fight his progress when you put him in with bums and that’s a problem, that’s pretty unique to Canadian Boxing for many years and then when they get someone on the world stage to Get demolished so Tes needs to have his opposition up at some point.
It’S not a game.
You know, because if he gets to, if he has eight more 10, more fights where he’s fighting stiffs and then he gets and then they throw them in the ring again.
So you know anybody in that top 10.
It’S gon na be a wake up.
Golf yeah, that’s the thing that top 10 is dangerous, and these guys that are coming up coming up on that top 10 right now.
You know a lot of them.
Don’T have the experience fighting the caliber of Fighters that are in that top 10 and we’re gon na we’re gon na see some some people get exposed, especially the European Fighters, especially the fighters from Ukraine and Russia, usbekistan, which I love saying a and Kazakhstan, and what Most people wouldn’t know, but a story like me would before you know, in the 20s 1920s in that era, a lot of fighters from that area came over to the west and did well.
They got out of Russia a after.
The Soviets came to power and a lot of them were forcers in boxing, but then they outlawed professional boxing in those countries, so those guys to them.
This is the opportunity of Lifetime, I’m coming from a repressive country where you can’t make money where, just by beating people up, I can make a lot of money right and and not just beating people up.
These are guys with phenomenal pedigrees on the world.
Amateur page, you know they know what they’re doing yeah totally, and these are guys that are being sought.
I mean they, they look at someone like Mark Ramsey in Montreal and they go Canada’s great country.
I can go there and focus on boxing people leave me alone.
That’S wonderful.
Unfortunately, the media leaves them alone too, but yeah yeah well guys it’s at that hour we got to go watch some boxing yeah.
I posted a link uh on the undercard of the Serano uh fight.
That’S happening right now, but let me let me have a quick look because I don’t think it’s on right now: oops hide messages from the stream.
I messed that up all right, never mind all right.
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