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EPISODE: Episode 1
Natalie Brown is back with another episode of The Sugar Show! This week, Natalie is joined by special guest Brooke “No Mercy” Dierdorff-Millbrook, professional fighter and recent IWBHOF 22 inductee. The two will discuss promoters and judging dirty/not fair, equality in pay still, equality in air time & exposure still, ie still need more exposure, people need to pay respects to past fighters which they don’t at all anymore. More female commentators, more female coaches, more female refs, and judges more female managers and promoters. There still needs to be more females involved in all aspects of the sport. Maybe also more rounds and 3 min rounds since that’s what all the promoters are saying is the reason for nonequal pay. But u can also argue that because it is said women have to have a shorter amount of rounds and less time in rounds because women are more prone to concussions but if that’s the case due to medical reasons so they say we are given that medical history pushing the limit on how long we can fight therefore we should consider that equal to the men’s 12 rounds 3 mins because the men also used to fight 15 rounds and they dropped it to 12 why!?. Plus, Brooke will offer some advice to aspiring fighters and share her thoughts on the importance of hard work and dedication. It’s sure to be an inspiring and informative episode, so don’t miss it!
Transcribed
Thank you, [ Music, ], hey y’all, it’s your sugar here and I’m late, but it’s a Wednesday night y’all.
So you know what it is: okay, around 7 30 ish a little later; okay, it’s your sugar here, Natalie sugar brown and it’s the sugar show where I meet with you guys on Wednesdays, and we talk women’s boxing for those who are new okay, I am Natalie Sugar brown, I have lived a life of a woman pugilist boxing specifically – and this is my platform now to tell you all the Deeds.
Okay, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly for real for real of my industry, which is women’s boxing such a great industry.
Such great things that have happened, but there’s a lot of shenanigans too, and this is the no sugar coated right.
I don’t sugar coat nothing here.
This is the platform where we really talk that real stuff about that life and introduce you guys, uh that are new to something that um you may like, and you may enjoy, and you may keep tuning into for those who are true.
My Misfits thanks for chiming in to the sugar show again.
Yes, it’s always good to see you guys, and I I just love that you just always come support.
Sugar always show up to chat or not chat, but you hear and you end up, building and about to have fun.
So yes, today, y’all today today today, so you see the show is called they call her no mercy.
Okay, let me tell you about this fighter.
Okay for real for real, so I’ve been talking for y’all who have been following the show y’all know who I’m talking about right, but for those who are just joining, I’m just tell y’all a little something about this Baddie okay.
So this body right here is a woman boxer um, who is a woman cut from the same fabric as myself.
She is a baddie.
She has done some great things in women’s boxing and she just got honored as a Hall of Famer.
They call her no mercy.
She fought in the lightweight division, y’all, okay, she was throwing them left, throwing them rights, okay, so real scary in there um she’s out of the USA, okay, so she fought under red white and blue land with the stripes okay um out of Illinois, USA.
Okay up there Chicago Illinois them places.
Okay, um she’s had, I think, 13 fights but 13 real fights.
Okay, this this bro, this bro, this broad, who or Baddie who became uh abroad, who was a bit of a cro who was a bit of a crone.
Now you know I haven’t not fighting, but still in the game um has, has you know not you know, but she she is.
I I don’t like to.
I don’t like to say the belt makes the champion or the the belt makes the woman the woman makes the belt and uh this Champion made the that green WBC belt um.
This was a legitimate Contender who became champion, who dethroned a great name that we want to talk about soon and I’m just elated that I’m able to have her face in the place so lovely assistant.
Please reveal my lovely guest, Brooke Dierdorf, yes, [, Music ].
What’S up, what’s up sis hey girl, how’s it going! Thank you for joining with me tonight.
Brooke.
Thank you for having me.
What’S up so y’all, see all that Hardware behind my girl and the posters and all that stuff? Okay, so, like don’t let the pretty face in this and the smooth taste fool you, okay, this one ain’t, no joke right, come on give me I don’t need a weapon.
I am one, listen, listen this how she coming through y’all! This is how she come through.
Come through hunting, let’s go now! That’S what I’m saying you see this! You see this um pretty face, standing in the line at the grocery store at the Walmart or whatever you ain’t gon na think now that she’s, you know what I’m saying: she’ll flatten you, okay, but she has a great.
She has made a great legacy in her name in women’s boxing and I’m just excited because this ain’t gon na be a Regular Show.
Okay, this is where you know like the interviewers.
Oh, what did you do and you know asking the question we gon na – have a baddie Baddie chat: okay, baddie’s, a baddie, okay.
She she got to say whatever she want on here: okay and it it is what it is, because, whatever she has to contribute, whatever she has taken from the industry and what she’s done is quite valuable and y’all need to listen to this so Brooke.
What you got to say, girl, I’m just excited to be here with you um.
I do, I feel like the sport – is somewhat losing its way from what it used to be uh.
When, when we were coming up um, it’s kind of lost it’s it’s path.
I feel I mean it’s getting we’re definitely growing.
I’M super excited how things are going and it’s finally paying off every little bit of brick that we all laid the way uh, but I feel like the fighters are losing losing their focus on women’s boxing.
Okay.
So that’s it yeah! I got ta.
Stop you right because little bites little bites.
You got so much to say and I want to dissect it.
Okay, all right! No, like I’m on the same page as you, okay, I feel like we getting the light version of what you know, what the what we were going through and the experience that we have like with regards to these.
Ladies, but a lot of the a lot of the um Joe’s and James out, there don’t understand like when we say it: they don’t understand the real uh like the they don’t understand the feel of it.
You understand what I’m saying like yeah.
You know these these.
Ladies, are fighting and yeah, you know they’re they’re, doing the the things that you know.
We did yes and it’s not that we’re talking about them as if they’re less what it is is we did more.
We know they can do more right.
We we extended ourselves more, you know, and I want you to like.
I want you to share that that Testament, especially you know it’s it like this is Brooke Dierdorf.
Let me tell you about Brooke Dierdorf y’all.
This is Brooke Dierdorf, who stepped to the Giants in the game: okay, with no fear; okay, she stepped to uh, like I said, the names Mia Saint, John okay, that was a name and they said that that was Jesus, mother, okay, yeah yeah and she stepped.
She stepped uh Mia like who you ain’t, farting me yet, and did she not snatch the belt from her and said who’s the champ now right, so I like? Can you can you? Can you give some insight Brooke about stuff like this, because you know I talked to Mike? You know.
I’Ve talked to Mike, and I’ve talked to a lot of other um enthusiasts that that are now into our game and they’re excited their style.
Oh, this is a super fight.
Oh we’re excited about what’s happening and I’m telling them that I’m not excited because I’ve seen better.
You know I’ve seen King Kong dethroned and you have done that in you know in one aspect of it.
So can you elaborate to us on how you got you know how you got there and and what you thought about.
You know your journey when you started you know in looking at these King Kongs and saying you know what I’m I’m Miss Kong.
You know I’m the Kong, you know so shoot yeah.
So I mean my first couple of fights.
You know, obviously were your typical.
You know starting off um.
After my third fight it was.
I was a replacement Fighter for Rita Figueroa trained with me at Windy City.
Gym in Chicago she was supposed to and Rita was tough yeah yeah um.
She was supposed to fight Mia the first time in Indiana on the same card as Mary was fighting some other girl.
So this was like in the I was after, like the first three yeah.
That was my fourth fight.
So did you have it? Did you have any amateur fights behind this? No, they played that.
I had 15 amateur fights, okay, okay, but Rita.
What people don’t know is Rita.
Figuera was a national, a U.
S national champion too.
So, like Brook D, she didn’t have the the pr pedigree that people would think, but she was still a world champion.
Material training with someone such as Rita, so go ahead.
Champ yeah! So I mean I had fought in the gloves and I fought the in the Chicago Golden Glove Nationals.
I had won both um but in a very short period of time, um, but then I went pro because I couldn’t get fights anymore, so I’m like well.
Let’S do let’s go bro, so wait a minute talk about that talk about that Brooke.
So in the amateurs I did I got into boxing out of when I got out of the army just to stay in shape and then so I went to a local gym.
The guy was like the gloves were coming up in like three weeks and he’s like you should go on the gloves and I’m like I’ve only been just training, but whatever cool let’s go well, then he was like no we’re gon na we’re.
Gon na put you in the open division and we’re gon na make a book like we’re.
Gon na put you in the open division.
You don’t want to fight novice.
You don’t want to do that and I’m like I didn’t know, and at the time I didn’t know I was just like whatever coach, like whatever you think so, my first my Golden Gloves.
I went into there with like two weeks, two three weeks training and I was fighting at 138 at the time.
The first girl that I fought, I don’t she had like 100 fights and she was like six three.
So when I started walking up to the ring I was like.
I know that ain’t, the I’m fighting all day – I’m 5’43 way up there like in the trees.
How many fights does she have? I have zero but we’re gon na.
Do this thing [ Laughter, ] um? I don’t turn back, so we got a one-way train that way um so yeah.
We took that fight.
I won that fight just because I was the dog and I just stayed on her and so she couldn’t set.
I mean I just stayed on top of her so but I go wait.
A minute explain see the thing is right: it’s a mentality like you said.
This is a one-way train.
We don’t reverse right.
There was no, but going back so you saw this and yeah you’re saying: okay, I’m five foot four and you will you a whole tree out here? Okay, let’s do this so in your mind, did was it fight or flight or was it? I think I’ve prepared enough in these three weeks, I’m ready in my mind.
I was thinking because I’ve always had that mentality that I could.
I can beat anybody street fight box.
Whatever nobody can beat my, I don’t care what size I am you’re, not beating.
My ass, that was the mentality, so in my mind I was just like okay, we’re about to give this girl ass whooping.
I don’t care how big she is bigger.
She is the harder she’s gon na fall.
Okay – and so I want y’all viewers to know like this – is why I said women boxers, we are a certain fabric of woman right, the average Jane.
Don’T think this way.
No, I feel what Brook D’s saying, because that’s like that’s, she just said our our um.
The mission statement of all baddies out here you ain’t, gon na, beat me right me and if you want me, you better, you better, try real hard cause.
It ain’t gon na happen.
Easy, like you, think it’s gon na happen right right, so first fight open division.
You guys means open division means she has had she’s saying that she’s going into a division where she’ll fight all people with any amount of fights they can have a hundred, they can have 30 or whatever, and she had no fights zero.
I want y’all to get.
I want y’all to marinate on this okay, she’s she’s, walking in to the Jungle right and she’s.
Saying, like I mean the coach is saying we’re going to get you a book and everything and she’s like yeah, right right, right, yeah, right all right: okay, where’s, the Bell, you know and she starts so continue.
Bro go ahead, so yeah with that one.
It was just I used just my brawler mentality and just stayed on top of her.
I didn’t give her time to set up.
She was a you know, a stick and move tall Fighter um.
I just didn’t give her time to set, so she didn’t have a chance.
So I wonder if I went to the second day and of course you know how it goes, you got to go back to back, so I’m already like exhausted after the first one, because I really wasn’t even in shape yet so we get to the second fight And I think the second fight I can’t remember, but they all had a lot of fights, experience um, but I I ended up winning the second one I think on decision third night I was done like when I got showed up at the gloves like I was There, but, like my body my mind, was telling me what to do, but my body wasn’t responding because I was literally drained.
Okay, I lost that one by decision, so I got I took second place so think so Brooke I one chip because a a lot of the our viewers they’re, not boxing people and that’s what I appreciate appreciate about my Misfits coming in.
They don’t understand that road, meaning that you’re fighting back to back yeah and you’re, giving it all you got right, you’re taking and giving.
So it’s not.
Oh.
I just pressed the reset button.
You feeling the hurts from the night before, just because she won prime example.
Like any most Americans or most people in the world at one point, another have worked out whether it was in school or as an adult.
So just take an example.
If you go work out for an hour or 30 minutes or whatever, and then the next day, you know you feel sore right, okay and then the day after that, like you could barely move, because it’s not the day after per se.
But it’s the day after that! That’S the worst! So, just imagine how you feel on that day, three and now imagine getting punched like all over your body plus being sore from from giving everything you got and then you’re mental right and you’re mentally like and your dehyde probably was dehydrated and yeah.
I I felt like I had been run over by a bus.
Okay, all right, I know the feeling, but I want to bring them in right because they think that you know just because just because we we’re nice looking and just because we, you know we’re women and every they think it’s easy.
They really don’t understand people really.
Don’T understand the the the feel of it, you know they don’t understand, and especially you know, you were in the military, so you’re a military minded like you, you are that hardcore type of gal right and everyone else, everyone’s smiling and you know making it look cute, But we like this is the platform where we’re telling me we’re telling everyone.
You know: okay, you know we showing up and it it’s it’s not as cute and it doesn’t feel up.
We got someone coming in about my father’s business talking about what what’s up y’all.
Looking forward to this show good about my father’s business, thanks for chiming in so we got this morning.
We got the champ Brooke, they call her no mercy, deardorff, okay, she fought light the lightweight division, okay, but the uh Michael Orsen too, saying that’s why they say the ninth that is 90 mental, so Mike or talking about we telling the truth.
Okay, so like we, we already got some hitters in the building – Brooke, yes, yes, okay, and so I mean they they’re fans and and and they’ve been involved.
Somehow you know so they they can also, I they they can also confirm.
You know that this is.
This.
Is what it is so Brooks said? You know her we’re talking about her experience now.
You know as she’s getting in because the show is about Brooke, okay, saying y’all know how long the show be okay, and we want to talk about some things.
But this we talking about Brooke right and I want to hear uh.
I want to hear all the little details that all all the little crevices that nobody touches, I’m going, I’m going to ask those details: okay and – and – and it’s not me being intrusive.
It’S me having a real woman champion right on on here, where she’s telling you from her mouth.
You know what it is and – and it’s not we’re not making anything up here, right, we’re not making anything up.
So Brooke said you know her her first experience.
She she walked into a tournament having three weeks.
Training like this is crazy.
This is crazy.
Like that mentality, like it’s a light switch, I mean that’s what you know because you’re a fighter, but that’s what I always tell people they’re like oh, but you seem so sweet.
I can until you cross me or I flip switch.
How do you flip the switch, though Brooke? How do you is there something that has to happen or that you do to flip this grid uh? The switch tell tell me or tell us.
Well I mean I have a short temper on a daily.
So if you do something, if you do something to piss me off, it’s instant, wonderful man yeah, so I mean it can.
I can instantly go for me from being laughing hahaha too.
You say one thing that really gets me wrong and I’m a complete different person, but I think that’s what all of Fighters are because, but in the ring see I can like I can do all that stuff.
Just fine until you get to like the you know, the press conference or the weigh-ins, and then you just have to like mentally think about all the hard work.
You’Ve done.
Everything you’ve done like the opponent, how hard they’ve worked like what I have to put on that game face, and now I have to be.
You know Mercy because they’re trying to come for me and that ain’t happening, so it’s just mentally.
You have to prepare yourself that when you get to that point that you’re now this other person and then afternoon hello, then it’s then I’m back to just being normal hello party, yeah.
So she’s speaking, the gospel y’all y’all, hear like y’all, even hear the verbiage where she says after a while.
It’S no mercy.
She she’s speaking about herself in third person.
Now, okay, she’s saying it ain’t broke no mo it’s no mercy and I’m locked in okay.
So in understanding that you guys it like a lot of people, find it hard to have one personality in Persona, we have two okay and I always say – and I always say this way where it’s you are feeding and growing this other side of yourself.
Okay and this other side of yourself may be quite different from the you that walks around daily right and and it’s in, and it’s knowing when to turn her on okay.
So now Brooke explains the mentality that she has right and, and it wasn’t um you never heard Brooke.
You never heard where she where’s my fingers, pointing my gosh.
Yes, you never heard her say: okay, I’m the best.
She never said anything you you haven’t heard her say that yet well, I know the whole thing yeah the whole.
I would never ever even if I had had like the biggest career and was undefeated and fought everybody and beat them all.
On my record, I would never call myself the best.
The thing with that is like me, and my husband talk about this all the time I feel like when you’re uh, a knight or whatever or you’re a prince whatever you have to be crowned to be the King right, like someone crowned you or if you have To be knighted, if you’re like a you’re going up and they Knight you to give you that name, you don’t give it to yourself.
Somebody else gives you that, because you earned it hello, that’s how I feel on that subject.
I would never call myself the best.
The greatest better than everybody that came before me, never because so somebody else would have to give me that name.
I would never call myself that all right.
So that’s why, like this, how the show is going right? This is so I’m single segwaying into now.
Brooke champ, how do you feel about these wet nose ones coming in talking like that, like it’s disrespectful, I think it’s disrespectful.
I think it’s just it’s disrespectful to every single fighter that came before there.
There are people that may very well one day hold that title of the greatest one ever or the best ever to live or whatever, but you first of all the generation that’s fighting today, I don’t even feel can compare to our generation.
I don’t think there’s any fighter right now that if we were still our whole generation, you giving me goosebumps keep talking, though.
Yes, if our entire all the top fighters that were fighting when me and you, because we were fighting at the same time.
If all of the fighters that all the top 20 will just say that we’re fighting in our era we’re in their Prime against the top 20 of today, all of the old school Fighters will whoop their ass.
We are a whole different breed of Fighters different.
It didn’t matter who you stepped in the ring with back, then you, you stood the chance of losing and, and you stood the chance that yeah you would you stood, it wasn’t a chance.
You were gon na be in a real fight.
Yes, a dog fight like thank you real fight and thing.
You didn’t know that I mean yes, in my your mind, you’re like I’m, not losing and you’re, not telling yourself that, but in reality every time I stepped through the ropes there was a chance whether I was robbed or not, that I could have potentially really lost The fight because everybody was so good and I thank you what the top five thank you.
So when you hear in these Fighters – and I would say the the male ones too – talking about a side b – side – [, Music ] – it’s so cringe to me – it’s so cringe to me because I’m like what are you talking about a side b side, so you Already know what side, like you already know, what side you’re on you you’re you’re, not fighting to to know you’re, not you’re, not trying to earn right, you’re playing a legacy right right.
You got ta put your footprint, you got to leave your footprint and the footprint is even when you fight that other fighter.
That fighter is going to go say that broad can fight.
She can fight.
She got.
You know she she’s good at this or she she’s.
She gon na stay on your ass.
You know and that’s the conversations you heard among the the fighters Among Us in in in those days and times not like Brooke I’m here you hear what sense would it make I’m not making and the the money to fight her and to her and her I’m Like oh you’re, talking about the sense that it made money wise, it’s like um, you ain’t, getting, no money! What money! Thank you! What money are you talking about right, so um Mike said, of course, y’all Brook Brook done hit.
Okay, so her podcast is on Tuesdays at 8, 30.
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Okay, so show up for Brooke on Tuesdays at 8, 30.
y’all know shug’s here on Wednesdays, at 7, 30.
, okay and then hopefully we get the tag team again.
Brooke will have me on her show.
Hopefully, one day – and I will absolutely you know what I’m saying and and we we just build – we just build the the the kingdom.
You know what I’m saying, but uh Mike, comes in and said these new girls don’t even know the history of their own Sport and what the women before them did to pave the way for them to earn that money they do get about.
My father’s business comes in and says Real Talk, 100 Michael Orr, and I mean that’s what I mean Brooke right.
It’S like, like you, said, you’re, not even unless somebody deems you this thing, you’re not coming out talking about I’m the best, I’m the greatest I’m this.
I I think we take.
We take the things that we’re not supposed to take from Men’s boxing yeah right um like so.
I guess some men can talk talking about I’m the great, but you are not Muhammad Ali and you are not Sugar Ray Robinson right and you don’t know who the Muhammad Ali so to speak.
Of women’s boxing is – and you don’t know, the Sugar Ray Robinson of women’s boxing like these are.
These are athletes that have you know, stood on the shoulders and have acknowledged other Fighters.
If you look back even past our generation back even before our time, the names just go on and on and on a phenomenal Fighters same thing on the men’s side, now I’m not going to take anything away from the guys, that’s that feel like they have made That top three or five they probably have, but you have to let your legs that you left 100 years from now put it out there that you, oh well yeah when you get the Ali name or the Robinson name or any of them, you have to let The people decide that you know you can’t yeah.
I might look back and be like, oh well, I remember so and so from before me.
I could have whooped her ass in my Prime.
If you can think that you can you just don’t you don’t know that for sure and you don’t say that out loud, you don’t.
I have, and you know, there’s some particular Fighters that are coming out talking about women of the the password as skilled as us.
That’S a lie.
That is the biggest lie.
I’Ve ever heard like it like it.
It really perplexes me, but you know what these, what these women nowadays understand, uh the women nowadays to me are soft and when they get hit, they reverse you’ve seen that.
But when we got hit we went forward, you see the difference forwards, they get hit, they go backwards, they running, they turn into track stars and people love it yeah.
No, I don’t love it.
How you gon na call yourself better than the people before you when, when you take a good punch and your ass starts backpedaling God dang like you’re riding a bicycle, hello and what the hell did.
I do I jump forward and throw six punches.
You just hit me: oh I’m gon na hit you five times.
Yes right, this is now we’re getting into the meat of it Brooke.
This is what people need to hear, so we’re not sitting here.
People are just here to talk about it.
I’M not scared to talk about it, yeah we’re not sitting looking at them and it’s it’s not like we’re like.
Oh you know, it’s not a hating.
I don’t want to fly away from them, they’re great Fighters, but for them to say that they’re, not I mean they’re good skilled, they got skills they’re.
Some of them are good, but that’s not, I don’t think the money they get they’re earning.
You said it – and this is this – was all of us.
You hit me once I’m coming back with five six everybody! That’S when I said when you got when you went through them ropes, your ass, better, be prepared because they’re coming strong, okay, strong right.
All women’s boxing channel is in the building talking about I’m sitting here, talk taking this in fascinating.
Thank you.
Thank you, okay, because you could like this is from like this is a conversation that you’re not gon na see on the other platforms right.
You only gon na see this on me and Brooks type of platforms right, the authentic conversations fighter fighter fighter.
You know what I’m saying, because this is a Sisterhood.
This is a camaraderie.
This is a sorority we talking about getting jumped in this mug.
You know what I’m saying call me up.
I got your back all right.
So Brook said it like.
I’Ve said it before.
Brooke, just we getting hit, we coming back with five six more we’re not turning into track stars right, we’re not playing hide and seek in the ring all right in the middle we come to fight, even the ones that are boxing or whatever they standing in there.
Yeah and fighting they’ll stay in the pocket, they’ll fight in the pocket, right and and – and so when these these broads are out here, making hundreds of thousands of dollars and or or making at least four figures for a fight, I’m like wow and then won’t acknowledge Us who we went come on Brooke cause.
They got bloodier with us.
Oh wait! Oh I think I don’t know what they’re drinking in there.
Oh yeah, I was leaking several times like six times.
I don’t you can’t.
I lost count how many times it’s been broken.
I’Ve been a bloody mess, I’ve been cooked, all of it, but you don’t quit it’s just not in you.
But that’s.
The thing that I was talking about before is my biggest pet peeve, with the females of today is the fact that they don’t pay any other females respect from the past.
I don’t care who you name, I’m not asking you to name me or you when you’re asked the question who do you look up to or how did? Why did you get into boxing who inspired you to be a boxer? What other Fighters did you look up to don’t say a effing guy, there’s 15 000 females that came before you that are phenomenal Fighters.
Pick one pick one! Please pick one! I don’t even care if you just have to pick a name on top of a hat and you don’t even know them say a female name.
Just say a woman.
Just just confuse somebody props confirm confirm the sorority confirm right.
You know what I’m saying like.
Aren’T they a male role model? You can have a male role model, but you need a female role model too.
Listen because you’re, a female.
Let me tell you something: Brooke I’ve gotten advice and I came up with some male gladiators yeah.
I had like no joke, it was the women who taught me how to fight women.
You know what I’m saying: it’s fine, it’s different.
I remember my my ex-husband.
He was my trainer, you know at one point and he was like Natalie because I was I was sparring men all the time and everything and he was like Natalie.
You need to start sparring women and I was like and – and I I get it like – I was ignorant at the time where you know I’m getting to work, I’m getting to work because bro, I think you can attest to this.
It was hard even getting sparring.
It was hard getting work from other women right yeah, so you know I’m finally gotten in there and shout out to I mean they no longer exist, but Toronto news, girls, you know who was real deep up there.
It was a all women’s boxing gym and let me tell you something: I went up there: men weren’t allowed in that gym men weren’t allowed in that gym period.
Right, uh Savoy made it a place where um women could be safe to be bad and let go you know what I’m saying and it was.
They had some tricks that the that women do in there and the that women say to you in there is on some different thing than when you’re in there with a man like it took Mia back to where I’m like.
Oh, we are more Savage, we’re more vicious yeah right go ahead.
I mean there was when I was at Windy City.
I did spar with Rita um and there was several up and coming Elvia Rubio was a big up-and-coming amateur.
So I used to spar with her and a couple other amateurs aside from that, I don’t I never I used to travel to spar with guys Sean Simpson, that’s Pro now I used to spar with him uh the only time I like later on in my career.
I used to travel to Kentucky to spar with Terry Blair and Terry.
That’S the only female females that I sparred with other than that it was all all males, but it is a whole different experience when you get in with the females.
Aside from the fact when you get in with a guy – and they don’t want to get embarrassed now, how do you want to talk about it? You want to talk about it.
We can talk about it, so women um Boxing Channel, comes in saying uh whoa, but my mate started boxing because her bro was a pro, so she gave up football and cycled to the gym at age 13 and went through the system and it’s Pro herself now.
Okay, so that’s a good little story: okay, um sugar and Brooke, giving history lessons right.
Um, uh women’s Boxing Channel, says top work for getting these two talkers on my mate top work.
Listen talk to women boxing boxing handle.
We got it together right because it’s that in alone, in itself, it’s hard to get women by other females on the same page, because we can be catty and okay.
So, especially if you’re not on the same page, you don’t see things eye to eye.
Typically, they tend to turn the shoulder.
They tend to turn the shoulder and it’s it’s now personal.
I don’t like you, and it has nothing to do with that.
Like that’s, why sugar has made this platform, because it’s really nothing to do with that.
It’S I we need.
We need the different broads to be heard.
Right Brook may have a different perspective than than Suge right and it’s true.
It’S still true because she lived it.
That was her.
That was her Universe right, so it it’s, it’s not a right or wrong thing and there’s you know: there’s no cat, caddiness or B um.
You know beef here with me and Brooke.
It’S you know it.
It’S the fact that we, like we bled we leaked in here you know, and and right now it’s like they’re trying to make us disappear.
You know we Brooke should have been Ringside at um, the Michaela Meyer um, uh, Bumgarner fight that fight.
She should have been ringside commentating it yeah they had.
They had two who’s it on the side, yeah talking about that, they don’t know what’s happening in there exactly.
That was a yeah another big good topic.
There needs to be more females, yeah commentating, promoting managing coaching.
Anything to do with boxing if you’re a female you I tried to be a commentator when I retired nobody picked me up.
So you know what it’s a timing thing uh broke.
I think I think the connections got ta have connections.
Of course you got to have connections, because you know it’s some people that ain’t they earning it differently, yeah.
Okay, so you know um, you! You don’t have to be a commentator now, because it’s your time right, it’s your time.
You have a platform.
You can.
You know you say whatever you want on your platform now thanks to talk and fight right, but you know I, I think the whole thing about um us, you know and having these conversations Brooke is um.
People need to hear the the authentic feels of it right because you these young broads, they have no personality, they have no personality.
I remember one time uh, who was it you were about to you were gon na fight? Was it? Let me look at your record.
Real quick because it was somebody you were gon na fight and you was at the uh press conference and it was no mercy locked in and Mary McGee yeah with Mary McGee and you was like in so to speak right.
I’M not.
I mean I had a lot of conversations at press conferences, but Mary McGee, that became personal to me.
She said some that it made it very personal girl, talk it gone and talk it about a year ago.
I mean not so we’re on talking speaking terms now.
Okay, I don’t want to ruin that, but no it’s that night when I took that fight so that fight with Mary McGee she had.
I had the WBC Title at that time and I believe she had two or three titles at that time.
Okay and I wanted to fi, I want to defend my title against and put her put up her titles.
They refused wanted a six rounder.
I said I want a damn six rounder.
Both of our us are big names, Champions champions.
We should be defending our belts.
Well, they wouldn’t do it, but she had talked prior.
So I’m like, I don’t care if you pay me 200 and no doubt I’m coming okay, so we get there for the weigh-in and I have never been disrespected so bad.
In my ever in my life I mean she called me a whole lot of things that you shouldn’t say to somebody at the weigh-in for a white trash, and I was a bomb and I ain’t fought nobody that was worth not, and I had already beat Mia Twice twice: okay: it was in Indiana.
You were at that show and said uh.
So among many other things that were just got gon na name.
So I tried to fight her at the wedding.
Wait a minute.
I got to stop you.
I got ta.
Stop you Brooke, so when she piping off at the mouth right, are you boiling now like we’re boiling, so we’re at the freaking way in and she’s calling me white trash bomb and you ain’t fought nobody bitching and I I tried to hit her at the weigh-in.
Now not, this is what I wanted y’all this is it why we okay y’all, come to the way it was personal yeah right so who there I don’t know who they’re talking about a classy and yeah.
Her coach came up to me and was like.
Actually, I didn’t even know it was her coach to be honest, but this guy kept coming come talking to me and he’s like.
Oh you, don’t really think you could take Mary right and I’m like they do that for us.
Yes, I am, and I whooped the out of her watch – can’t roll a ticket buddy.
This is personal.
I am going to annihilate and give her her first loss today tomorrow buy a ticket, wait, a minute, so guess who’s locked in that wait.
Wait, wait! Guess: who’s locked in now no mercy talking! This ain’t broke no more right now because now I’m getting heated because I can just picture it like I’m in the room, so we’re doing the way and whatever so then we get so then her coach, it was her coach I find out afterwards, but he’s like Well, good luck, but I mean you can’t hit what you can’t see.
I said: okay bet like we’ll see, we’ll see, yeah we’ll see yeah, so we go to the fight and it was of course it was in her hometown.
She was 17-0 girl.
Tell me what, but you said some at the weigh-in that I thought I was gon na beat her ass and I said I beat your ass since you didn’t want to put the titles on the line.
I want your damn titles.
She said, if you beat my ass I’ll, give you my titles I’ll be happy to take them home in the car after the fight.
This is that y’all need to come to our way.
So this is Brooke y’all, but one of the titles wouldn’t defend them, wouldn’t defend them, wouldn’t put them, but not putting the belts on the line.
But talking to I had the WBC Title, she just had some random belts.
I don’t even remember what the hell they were.
Foreign was willing to put the green belt up right right to this wet nose to do this at the time yeah.
So we get in there yeah I beat her ass and I gave her her first loss in her hometown and I went over to her after the fight I walked over to her coach and I said um guess I saw her didn’t I [ Laughter ] and I said oh and Mary, I want my belts in my locker room.
What do you want me to do? You can mail them to me if you don’t want to give them to me right now, but no I mean we’re.
We’Ve.
I’Ve tried to make amends with her today, but that was personal.
Listen, listen, listen because a lot of them don’t like sugar.
Okay, it is what it is.
It is what it is.
I’M not telling a lie.
It’S facts.
So thank you.
You can’t be upset about it because it really happened exactly like that.
This is history.
It I think, like that, you getting all hurt and hemmed up about history that was made.
You know what I’m saying: you’re the one talking you just got a reaction: you’re not going to talk to me that way and think you’re not going to get a reaction.
Thank you right and – and it is the fight right and she Mary McGee has is – is maturing because guess who’s doing the same thing to her Chantelle Cameron right.
Oh her and Chantel go at it on on the on the top, I’m sure they do Mary she’s.
A Mary is a very good talker, I’m not and listen, that’s a part of it.
It is a part of it talking very good at talking.
Very that’s what and and there’s listen.
That’S why that works though, and some it don’t that didn’t work on me.
You just pissed me off foreign right, it’s a part of selling it Mary McGee.
Don’T don’t stop talking your you know what I’m saying just know.
You got ta step up behind that right because you you’re gon na be talking to a uh another Baddie you’re going to be talking to a a a broad.
That’S just, as you know, Savage you’re going to be talking to a chrome who ain’t playing that you might be talking to a dragon.
That’S gon na breathe fire on your ass right right.
So all of the that you doing and Fighters out there because a lot of Fighters won’t learn from Mary McGee right.
I didn’t even train for that fight, [, Laughter, ], no joke! I went to the gym like once a week, I’m not even playing! I’M really really mad at me for that one because he had been out of town for part of the training and I wasn’t doing jack.
So when he came back maybe like a week.
I don’t even think it was two weeks before the fight when we really started training.
Oh my gosh, you, oh yeah, Shake okay, so you so you had mentality.
Okay, I mean it didn’t matter.
[, Laughter, ], okay, so this is like this is what we were.
This is the climate.
This was the jungle that we came from.
This is the jungle.
That’S out there right.
So you know when there’s no, when we’re talking about what’s selling and and how these, how these young bras these wet noses is making money you’re, like I already told you all the ingredients for a great fight for a great match for super mega Mary McGee versus Uh Brooke Dierdorf was a super fight.
It was right.
It was a up-and-coming, wet nose versus how old were you at the time? Brooke? If you don’t mind sharing God, I have to think um, because I fought her right after I beat Mia the second time.
So it would have been like 2010 um um, I think 2010.
So I don’t know 20.
Maybe 30 shoot.
I don’t even know.
Okay, so you went in 3-0 yeah yeah um yeah.
I was probably all 29 30, maybe okay, all right.
So this is the climate y’all all right, so you had Brooke is a baddie late 20s, going into her 30s going into broad.
You know broad ship, Chrome ship and you got this wet nose.
I think Mary McGee was like what 21 or some something like that.
Much younger at the time she was younger, yeah yeah right talking right.
So it’s like this is the climate y’all.
This is the climate, it’s not like the men’s or whatever, where you know these guys are respecting and playing games like it.
It’S real serious, where you don’t even have the belt for too long before another another broad talking talking gang and you got ta shut, her ass up, right, right and, and it gets it gets to where in women with us women, it’s not about.
Oh we’re going to camp and we’re training Brook said I ain’t even trained for that.
I had a plan for that ass though well and back then I mean I don’t know about you, but I worked a full-time job.
I was also a mother and I worked out after work every day, so I wasn’t a full-time fighter.
Anyway, I was an part-time fighter.
Hello go to work from nine to five.
You get off! You go to the gym.
You get there about six! You work out for two three hours: you go home, eat and go to bed and do it all over again tomorrow and then you have a child.
So it’s not yeah the dinner ain’t dinner ain’t making itself.
No, I mean the my first daughter was born Ray.
I was raised in the gym.
She went with me with us to the gym every day, so it’s not some people can do it today.
Some of the women can do that today.
I wish I had the opportunity to full it that wasn’t the life.
If I could train an actual full training camp, what the hell is that I don’t know she said hell is that I don’t even know what a training camp is right.
What is that? I don’t even know how those work [ Laughter ].
I never really had a training camp, it was just go to work, get off go to the gym for a couple hours – okay, that was it.
This is what I want everyone that, like this is the authentic life of a woman fighter of a woman boxer, y’all.
Okay, we have in this conversation because it’s like this is the real stuff.
Okay, I talk about like one, you know we want what just like what Brook D said like we want the life of a Natasha Jonas, where she’s a mother, and she can now be a full-time fighter and she’s, making six six figures and right and she’s on Television and she’s has a team in management like we want.
That’S that’s the dream.
She has a who [ Laughter, ], a team.
It was me and my husband, [ Laughter, ] [, Music ].
No, it’s about any in a relationship.
It’S tough in the marriage.
It is, I mean I first started out with Samco.
Jesse Torres was also a fighter he’s who I started out with in the amateurs um and then after I did the gloves a couple times I switched to Sam Kalona.
Everybody knows Sam Kalona, notorious strainer and Whitney City Gym in Chicago.
I worked with him um, but you know when you don’t make any money and then you have to pay a percentage of your purse.
It’S stupid because you’re not even making anything anyways and then it was.
I lived like an hour a little over an hour to an hour and a half from the gym, so that was a long commute.
So it got to the point where and Sam was training a lot of like Golovkin and like a lot of those big guys heavy, like famous guys at the time.
So he was busy a lot.
So it got to the point where I worked out me and Chris did our own workouts.
My husband did our own workouts.
All week.
Oh you had a Christian.
My ex-husband name was Chris yeah Chris.
His name is Chris, what’s funny um and then we would just go to Wendy to the gym with Sam for sparring, so it got to the point where Chris was finally like.
You know what I’m just gon na get my coach’s license because he’s not really.
I wasn’t there enough for him to actually train me at that point: anyways and all the training with my husband and just going to the gym for sparring.
So he’s like there’s no point in keep paying him.
You could still go there and Spar but like why keep paying him when he’s when he’s really not coaching, you he’s just getting in the corner when the fight comes when the when this fight time right so Chris got his license from there.
It was just me and him now.
I can’t say after that I was fighting with a promoter in Chicago with Sam okay.
I love him that went kaput.
So that’s why I became a road dog and never fought.
I fought everywhere and then it was just me and Chrissy.
He took all the calls and did the managing and all of that – and we just discussed it between ourselves on if we were going to take the fight or not and back then it didn’t matter.
If you turned the down because of money, they weren’t gon na pay more.
So it’s either period you don’t either you want to fight or you don’t I mean we would argue you’re, not even negotiating or you’re, not negotiating they’re right.
You might get an extra hundred bucks, but that’s it.
There was no negotiations, it was I’m paying you 800 for six rounds.
You want it.
What, like, I said, title excuse me eight hundred dollars to you and you already wear a title.
Four thousand dollars for this.
This beauty right up there that you see four thousand dollars.
When I fought me a Saint John in Mexico, that’s what I got paid! I guarantee he made triple quadruple that, but I wanted the belt and I had already beat her once so.
I knew I could get it, but four grand and I had to be in Mexico for over a week for the press conference, the public work out like it was it’s big in Mexico, like you got to be there like two weeks before and my husband couldn’t Go with me for that fight because we had our daughter yeah nothing.
So that’s when I met well.
I’D already met Chevelle to pass card, but Chevelle and Nate Campbell went with me to that fight.
Oh um, one week with me and like helped me keep me in shape like we sparred and did mitts and worked out and then Chevelle came in like right before the fight and she’s the one that cornered me.
Oh, that’s, wonderful, yeah! So it was.
That was awesome experience, but I wasn’t turning the fight down and I know she was making way more than me because it’s me as Saint John in 4k for a WBC Title.
Are you freaking kidding me and some Mexican for for right? So they brought you in as an opponent right.
That was the biggest thing yeah.
You were definitely supposed to lose and you took matters into your own hands and took the dance yeah unanimous.
They call it a slip, though, so this is the thing right with these Shenanigans and they were they two minute rounds.
They were yeah, so Brooke is slumping, dropping the Mia Saint John.
You know what I’m saying: broads are dropping you know, and and and it’s getting real real real in there – and it’s just like you know compared to these fighting these fights.
Now that was a mega.
That was a super mega fight, yeah right, yeah ain’t.
Nobody, you know people are talking.
I would love to know what she made for that fight like I would love to know like now that it’s all said and done.
You know Mia St John made something at like 50 Grand at least 50 Grand.
I would say, at least for that fight, Mia, St John and I’m gon na say the nut.
She at least she’s in Mexico.
You know how big it is out there.
It was her it was.
She was the one the sanctioning body was looking to.
You know what I’m saying yeah that belt yeah right.
So there was a lot of money behind her.
That was oh yeah.
The fight was put together for her to keep that belt and you came and took it right.
So you know it she that was she got paid.
You came, I’m sure I mean I know she did, but I’m just you know looking back, I’m like what did she get.
I know it was more than me, but yeah.
No, that was literally the biggest payday.
I ever had out of all the people that I fought, so this is the thing Brooke now, I’m not saying these youngins need to get paid less, but what do you think about the pay rate like? What do you think with what we get now with what the fans get now? What do you think about the pay rate I mean, I think we still have a long way to go.
I still think it should be even with the men.
I don’t care about.
All the crap that they’re throwing out as the reasons why, but I don’t think everybody – that’s making the money that big money today, that’s actually getting the big money deserves it, some of them, yes, they’re, I do think deserve that pay very little of them.
Yes, some of them, I don’t think, deserve the pay and I don’t they Dev they’ve never had to go through what we had to go through.
That’S that’s what I’m saying I don’t know.
I don’t think the work justifies the money that they’re right being paid right, but I I beg to differ about the money being paid.
Okay, I don’t like, I don’t think women’s boxing, because people a lot of people think the industry is all one.
Women’S boxing is a different industry than mailboxing right.
Mailboxing has their backing, they have their sponsorships, they have, they have the funds women’s boxing does not have.
The sponsorships doesn’t is not generating the funding like that is not you know, um, it’s not accessible in the way to demand the same amount of pay as men right.
So I don’t think women deserve [ Music ], the the the the same pay rate right now, because I mean we are just not we’re just not equally yoked there right.
We have to understand that we have to work for what we deserve if they have continued.
The Way We Were yeah if they continued the way we were and if they because they’re not fighting for an extra minute, do you see them? Fighting men are fighting the three minutes.
Men do fight the three minutes and but so here’s the thing back in the day they used to fight 15 rounds.
Now they fight 12.
.
I don’t know you know women could fight the three minutes.
We train.
I don’t know one female that doesn’t train three minutes when they’re sparring.
I don’t know any that spars two minute rounds, so we could definitely do the three minute rounds and if that meant more more pay, we could do 12-3 minute rounds because we train it yeah and I think, but at the same time too Brooke d.
I think a lot of the Champions who are champions now would not be Champions if there were three rounds.
You know if it was three minute rounds, yeah right because yeah more I mean that that um Homa douche versus uh Maria uh mayor fight, if it was a three minute round fight between mayor and hamadush hamadush, would have bodied that girl yeah right.
She couldn’t deal with that pressure, so she would a lot then hamadush would have had that title right.
You know a lot of Fighters.
A lot of things were going different.
Yes, there was no time.
I don’t think I mean.
I don’t think I don’t think uh Miss Shields would would be so you know phenomenal if there were three minute rounds now.
Why? Because you’re exerting she’s a she’s, a bigger gal, she’s, fighting middleweight super middleweight and the way she fights the pace you she she couldn’t be able to.
She couldn’t find another big gal who’s punching and absorbing those shots for that pace through the whole.
Through three minutes.
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