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Join Natalie Sugar Brown on this episode of The Sugar Show on Talkin Fight as we dive into the electrifying match between the undefeated Katie Taylor and Chantelle Cameron. We’re breaking down the numbers and analyzing the REAL math behind this recent upset. Was this a ‘Win Win’ scenario? Let’s uncover the truth. Don’t forget to Like, Share, and Subscribe for more insightful boxing talks!
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Foreign [ Music ] thanks for chiming in so it’s it’s past, 7, 30 on a Wednesday night, but listen it’s Wednesday and it’s coming into the night time.
So it’s it’s time me and you uh, I’m Natalie sugar brown, a woman, pugilist or woman boxer.
This is my platform, my show to talk about women’s boxing.
I’Ve been there done it.
I know the story and if I, if I don’t know the story, I’ll figure that mess out, because something that I’m true to not new to okay, so yes uh, the Natalie sugar brown show is where we come and meet on Wednesday nights to have a conversation About women’s boxing yeah just just conversation, you don’t really have to know the numbers, the the direct you know, decimals of everything, but uh.
It’S it’s a it’s a meeting to where you can ask any question.
Ask what you want to ask you can give your opinion.
Non-Judge judgmental opinion, I mean of course, you’re going.
I mean uh you’ll, hear Sugar’s opinion back too, but you know we always keep it respectful, and I just love to hear what y’all thinking about us.
Women out here that behave badly.
So yes, um tonight’s show is about the uh most recent uh fight of Interest, which is the Katie Taylor versus Chantelle Cameron, Showdown over there in Dublin, Ireland and uh it it it.
It was an upset.
You know the the darling um actually got her.
First.
L.
L um over the weekend, so I think she may be.
I don’t know if she may be struggling with that right.
You go unbeatable for years.
You don’t know what that feels like, and then somebody I hand you that L uh you you got to kind of rethink.
Well, you got ta rethink what was going on with you, okay.
So, as usual, my guys here at talking fight, they don’t put a nice little slideshow with some pictures together.
So you can see who I’m talking about right and um.
You know I’m I’m just going to start by giving giving the the outline the schematics on um what what happened.
What had happened over the weekend? Okay, all right! Let’S do it all right, my lovely assistant um, all right to the left to the left.
Put that picture up in a box to the left, all right, y’all, so listen um.
These two fought so over on your far left is the darling Katie, Taylor, okay and then to the right.
You got Chantel Cameron, okay, so both are champions.
Both are Undisputed champions.
In their respective weight classes so to the far left, Michael Oher, hey, baby, hey baby, Michael Oher, charms in hello, sugar, hey Mike, you know, I’m always happy when you come through.
So thank you um and I want you to.
Let me know what you think about this.
This fight, yeah Michael Oher, said: let’s talk about this fight.
Okay, because, to be honest, it’s the only fight that I really looked it at or looked at um on the card.
Yes, I know I know, but I I really have time, but I know I had to look at this fight.
Okay, so to the far left, you see Katie Taylor, who is the all them belts right, so she had all the straps, the WBA WBC ibf WBO and the ring belt.
The Ring magazine belt is somewhere in there too.
Okay and she’s got this belt at the lightweight.
She represents Island, she’s, the she’s, Ireland she’s the champion um and she’s, the lightweight champion so 135 pounds, okay and then a little over the the one right.
Next to me, my shoulder, I’m bumping my shoulder on her Chantelle Cameron and she is the W she’s.
Also the Undisputed champ uh five pounds up at uh super lightweight or Junior welterweight, 140 pounds.
Okay, so she got the WBA WBC, the ibf, the w b, o endering magazine, so she life.
I got belts too right.
So what happened? What had happened was in this situation? Um Amanda Serrano was supposed to had spun back on Katie Taylor for a rematch.
For me, uh for for this um May 20th fight, yeah right and I mean Erica Cruz – gave Amanda everything she wanted in the fight.
Amanda came out with the wind, but it looks like um, Erica Cruz left her with something okay, so she called out on injury.
She said she was injured uh due to uh what happened, how rough that that uh, Erica Cruz fight was, and so she couldn’t do this fight, and let me tell y’all because I I looked at an interview, um a recent interview.
Actually, the post uh interview post this fight where they asked Amanda Serrano um.
If she thinks that uh her fight with Katie Taylor, now you know, will will be, I think you know um will it be a draw and she actually came out and said nah.
She don’t think so now, right because uh it was supposed to be for uh the pound for pound ship.
You know – and she was supposed to be about the spin back and the whole thing about the Katie Taylor um.
The the whole thing about the uh Katie Taylor Intrigue is uh.
Everyone wanted to be the first person to give her that L right she she they wanted to bust a bus that cherry yes, I said it just like that too right.
They wanted to give her.
Give her that L make her feel you know you not pristine, no more, you dirty just like the rest of right, so um everyone was doing it and everyone was getting paid good money to do to to attempt to do it too, right so um that that Was the the big deal so the Amanda Serrano Katie Taylor spinback, was because they said they were saying out here that Amanda Serrano was very close uh in in beating uh they they arguably were saying that Amanda Serrano won the fight that they had uh last summer.
Um at the Madison Square Garden, um yeah, so you know they.
They were saying.
Oh well, you know it was.
It was real.
We think Amanda wanted.
We need us, we need, we need a redo, we need it done again, but you know the the universe and the the boxing deity said.
No, we have something else in the works, and this is what it is.
So these so uh Chantelle Cameron stepped up.
Well, uh, we’ll put it this way, Katie Taylor’s, I guess supposedly said well, you know.
Well, while I’m waiting on uh some, you know abroads to step up at 135, I’m a challenge, Chantel Cameron, for her belts at 140 pounds since I’m pounding for pound C.
I think I I I think I can.
I can take them off.
I think I can snatch them belts off that broad, so the fight was on because then Chantel said, oh, you want my belts, okay, try! So this is the thing though, and I thought it was a bad idea.
Yeah I mean y’all, look at the previous shows with uh sugar.
I think it’s maybe three or three shows back three or four shows back where I said.
I don’t think it was a good idea.
I didn’t think it was a good idea for Chantelle to take the fight.
Why? Because I know Shenanigans – and I know uh politics and all that stuff – that’s going on in uh that goes on in boxing, especially in women’s boxing and I didn’t think Chantelle was a protected fighter.
I didn’t think she was protected because she didn’t have a real promoter.
You know what I’m saying you need a promoter in this business uh, so you can watch your bet, so you can have your back watched.
That’S number one number, two um.
I didn’t think her management was all that strong, seeing as um you know she was out here like the rest of us, or you know I.
She ain’t really clamoring for contracts no more, but she was.
You know clamoring, for contracts open talking to everybody.
She didn’t get to pick nothing right.
She wasn’t picking nothing and saying: oh you, you get a try, you got ta, try you! She wasn’t doing that right.
She she was like someone pick me pick right, and the thing about us pick me is because I’ve been a big me out here too.
The reason why we pick mean broads because we’re tough right, it’s gon na be a hard fight regardless because we can fight right and – and it’s if you pick me’s out here, you know that Tiara Brown Chantelle Cameron, before you know um goodness um uh Mike.
If you, if, if you paying attention chime in, tell me who’s some Fighters out here, that you hear called women Fighters that you hear call in pick me provide you and, and they just conveniently uh looking over their heads.
No, no, I don’t see you I’ll fight.
Everybody else, but you, you know um, but that you know just that was off the top of my head um, the two fighters that I named, but there there’s a lot out here um.
So I didn’t think Chantel Cameron had that type of um political power behind her so her taking this challenge, putting all her belts on the line and Katie Taylor saying yeah come fight me, but you know what come fight me in my backyard like this is the First time to that, Katie Taylor has ever fought in her own backyard.
So I was like what um this don’t look this.
This certainly doesn’t look good.
You know it doesn’t look like a good challenge.
Um because Katie Taylor, the darling uh, you would have to freaking um, you would have have to kill her, bury her and and splash that water, so she don’t rise again in order to get a win from her.
You know what I’m saying like she’s Untouchable or was um person came person was the first broad that beat her right and then they came and said: uh Serrano, uh beater, which you know I think it was close.
But I think persoon was the one that that beat her the first time um you know, and then there was just many attempts that she just you know she just got by by the the the hair on her.
You know what I’m saying like she’s.
She just made it she’s, just inched it and it was like.
Yes, she won.
She did just enough.
Okay, so um yeah.
It didn’t look good.
I didn’t think it looked good but Chantel.
I guess they knew what was in the works and I guess the bigger picture needed to be painted, because now I see it now, I see it.
I can see clearly now they’re gon na make some money.
Okay, yeah, so Katie Taylor is a crone.
Now this year she will be a crone.
A crone is a a broad that has aged in the boxing industry and now she’s uh in her 30s okay.
So I do believe.
Katie Taylor has hit Chrome ship um she’s, not in early 30s she’s in mid 30s or approaching so um.
The money finna start running out because, as you know, as a fighter ages, the amount of years or times or or goes in the ring decreases right because you know number one marketing wise.
Everybody is used to the same old story right.
So we want something different number: two um is only but so much rounds in the human body before your your performance starts to um decline.
Okay, so um it was getting around that time and and plus I don’t know about Katie, but you know she may want to step off the rails and and and um live a little of this life out here.
Most of her life has been boxing, and the the life of a boxer, especially a woman boxer, is, is um.
How? How can I say this without um? We have to be more careful.
Well, I just put it that way right because um things life things affect us more so than our our male counterparts or our male peers in boxing right.
If we want to start a family, if we want to have relationships, if we want to do those things uh, we it takes more of us.
It takes more out of us to do that than our male counterparts.
Okay, so our our male peers, um.
That being said, I’m going to keep it going.
Okay, so Chantelle took the fight all right.
It seems short notice too, but seems like our girl, Chantelle, and you know I I said this before.
I I’ve been she’s she’s on my my list of of Fighters that I actually really I like her.
I like Chantel Cameron, she’s a no-nonsense, broad and she’s.
She stays ready, uh, I believe, she’s in her early 30s, but she stays ready so she’s about to peek she’s approaching or she’s peeking, now she’s starting her Peak now.
So this is great um, where this fight is over here on U.
S soil, because you know Suge right now isn’t on in in the west right on in the U.
S, not in Canada.
Um.
There wasn’t much hype here about this fight.
Um people weren’t excited about it.
People weren’t talking about it – I don’t know about the UK and Ireland, but I suppose seeing that uh Katie Taylor is from Ireland, and this is this – was the one of the biggest fights in Ireland in in a very long time, uh, maybe decades and um Chantel Cameron now is from the UK.
I’M sure there was some hype there um we got the pound for pound Undisputed Katie Taylor, fighting uh, a UK uh, a woman from UK.
So I’m sure that was that was the talk.
That was a big thing.
Okay, so I was interested in you know where this thing was going to go down.
You know I always call it the hotel, where we finna get freaky right, the the the the the venue that the fight’s gon na happen at Okay.
So it happened at the three Arena um, and this is located at um Point Village in the north wall area of Dublin, Ireland.
So from what I see, this is like uh, and this is kind of like when you go to um New York.
You know New York City, and you know it.
I, I suppose it’s their version of where of the big city, where Madison Square Garden is all the entertainment.
All everything big happens down, um in this uh north wall area in Dublin, Ireland, okay.
So this is a big thing: big investment, big money, um they were expecting the pool some good stuff.
Okay, excuse me stuffy around here um, so this this three Arena feels to about the capacity is about 13 000.
uh seats or people um and which, compared to the Madison Square Garden venue of nine nineteen thousand five hundred.
You know it, it’s it it’s a couple.
It’S is about 50, something like maybe 55 um, 5, 500, less uh capacity than Madison Square Garden.
But I you know it’s good enough for for Dublin and and bringing uh bringing some noise out there.
It’S a concert hall.
Everything big happens there, so this is.
This was a big deal for Katie, because she, you know she drew that uh and it’s it’s big for women’s boxing, because we never used to ever ever used to be Headliners for such large venues and now look at us look at what we doing look at.
We right so um.
I think you know I, as for women’s boxing, I think you know this this um.
This was good for women’s boxing.
It shows now other um other female boxers other women boxers coming out of Ireland, that there is a place that they can um bring their bring money to there’s a.
But now these venues are opening up to hosting a platform for us to behave badly, where everybody and a whole bunch of people can see which is good.
That brings money to our industry and, and it brings a bit of clout to women’s boxing.
So that’s good on us um.
The tickets sold between 80 Euros right on up to 1500 Euros.
Okay, so 80 Euros is about 86 dollars and one cent um like today’s value in uh US Dollars: okay and um right on up to 1500 Euros.
So that would be about uh 1612 uh 1613, US Dollars roughly, so I don’t know I uh for a seat.
I don’t care if it’s ring, I don’t care if it’s ring, so I don’t know about it.
If, if I’m gon na pay uh that much money to to to watch a woman’s boxing match um two minute, you know ten two minute rounds for damn near half somebody’s mortgage.
You know I’m not going to Orson or somebody’s whole mortgage, I’m not going to do that right, but I I appreciate the gesture.
You know, I’m I’m happy that you know they.
They had the nerve.
You know to ask for for up to uh 50 1500 Euros.
Um for for this fight for this headline, you know for this show um.
Now, let’s get down to the fight the actual fight in my uh Mike I mean, if you hear chime in all right, uh lovely assistant, uh.
Well, we’re not we’re not going to change the pictures yet okay, but what I think about the fight I watched the fight I like, and I like to watch these fights with no sound, because the commentators I mean seriously the the commentator they need to do something About these commentators for for uh, the women’s boxing matches no um, but what I saw is I did see where uh, I think, Katie Taylor did win the fight.
If we talking about fighting, I think she did win the fight.
She ran her hands on Chantelle.
She was connected with connecting, with her usual Speedy combinations for once she stood and fought instead of running the whole time.
So she did.
She knew that she needed to step to Cameron uh if she wanted to take these titles off of her right.
So she was trying she she was actually trying to fight in this fight, and you know what I noticed you know.
A lot of these times is um or, for the most part, is the fights that actually you know these, these, these um, the the seated or these, these Fighters.
That um, you know are gifted all the time.
The fights that they actually win are the fights that they end up, losing it’s just so funny to me um, so this fight, I I watched it and I actually gave Katie this fight um.
The thing about this fight, though, is if it were at Katie Taylor’s weight class.
If it was at uh lightweight 135 um.
I think that you know Katie would have won, because this it was her.
It’S her realm.
She paying the money to the bodies for this weight class.
You know she’s she’s paying for these 135 belts, so um, you know they’ll give it to her, but you know she’s stepping up and out.
I think that the WBC and all of them all of them, sanctioned embodies said, are thinking.
You know what Katie getting topped out, meaning you’re already paying buku bucks to keep our belts at 135 and so business-wise money-wise decision wise.
If we let you have these 140 belts, we’re not going to get the maximum amount for deed for you having all eight of these belts, you know you can’t be.
You know, um.
Well, I think, I’m I think from because from the belts and bodies um from the belts and bodies, video or episode that I did from what I understand.
You have to vacate your title in one weight: division to go to another weight, Division and challenge uh.
The the the champion for their titles – I I I know, that’s it.
I in fact I know right.
You got ta vacate the challenge right, so I’m not sure if the WBC said you know what we need, we need new blood.
We need somebody that can pull some some money in while you down there at 135 Katie Taylor.
We need somebody else that may have that uh staying power that may have that that that marketing pull that you have to make us some money.
With these same with these belts at 140 pounds, I think that was the decision.
The business decision that these bodies, these sanctioning bodies, made – and I think at this point you know when this this fight was made um, it was chantelle’s opportunity to you, know, negotiate it and to to get backers and to get money and people them people’s them.
To say, yeah, we’ll pay, we’ll pay the bill, we’ll pay the money for her to hold these belts.
Not only like I said, is she a marketable contender, but she’s made her own way to this Undisputed title ship? I I don’t see where Chantal Cameron Cameron was given anything.
She did fight her way to the top.
She did make her own skid row and we’re going to go over that um further down in the show um the thing about this, though, and and the happy ending where I said, um Katie, Taylor versus Chantel Cameron, win-win is because they both win in this situation.
Right, um Katie Taylor may still be the champion at 135.
um.
If we don’t, if we in boxing and in women’s boxing, don’t don’t press the rule of if you’re moving up to challenge somebody for their belts.
You have to vacate yours.
Okay, that’s a rule, but we want to see what they we want to see how they play it.
Right is Katie Taylor still the champion at what the Undisputed champion at 135s.
Sorry at 135 pounds uh.
Let’S see because I want to know what the verdict is on that um, that’s number one number two um Chantelle Cameron is now Undisputed Champion, so they’re both still champion okay um.
The only thing that was given up is or switched is this pound for pound Crown? Okay, so now Chantelle Cameron beat pound for pound right, the the the I mean there are other.
Can I I believe that Clarissa Shields is actually the pound per pound, uh best woman boxer in in women’s boxing right now, not the guat.
I don’t think she’s the guat, but I think she’s pound per pound she’s the best meaning that if, if she was in any of the other weights, she would her style um.
You know her the way she fights her style, her power, her durability.
She would still be able to hang and and beat um the contenders, the the top Champions and the contenders uh she’s proven it from heavyweight down to where she is now um middleweight and, I would say, from middleweight down, I would say that um pounds per pound, But they’ve, given it to Katie Taylor right, they they love, they love the Speedy Gonzalez uh track star, slash, um, boxer Styles, so she’s she’s, the cat she’s, the um pound for pound.
Okay.
So somebody comes in Tony issue.
Okay, it says Canelo kept his belts at 168 after vivald beat him at 175.
.
Well, ain’t that a seriously love y’all in order um um – I I’m sorry it’s I have not kept up with that.
I I did see the fight the Canelo uh, bevel fight and uh Bevo um uh, you know dealt with Canelo like he was a kindergartner trying to fight him in there yeah.
He was just too big and he he was big and he knew how to buy.
How to fight so he he did beat up uh Canelo, but what was was he already the champ the champion at 168? Did he already have a belt or the belts at 168, or were they both fighting for one one um for the for wait, a Canelo kept his belt where I’m sorry were they both um? What was bevel um a champion at 175.
when, when Canelo went and and fought him? That’S the question.
I have Tony issue and thank you for chiming in baby.
You know it feels good um.
When you guys uh, you know, drop your little Jewels.
Let me know right, but from what I mean, I I you know I excuse me, I read you know I I read up on it and from what I understood in boxing in order, if you were a champion at one weight, division, okay and you want to Challenge another champion at another weight division.
You have to um, you got ta um, relinquish your titles.
You got ta, relinquish your belts, so you can move up or move down for that title ship.
You can’t! You know they won’t allow that.
So I don’t know like canelo’s had his belts and stuff for a while um Tony issue comes in and says yes, bevel was champ at 175 and Canelo was Undisputed at 168 when they fought.
Now I don’t know if this is the.
I don’t know if they didn’t change the rules Tony, but that’s not the uh that ain’t.
How supposed to go! Um, like I said, you’re supposed to relinquish your belt, so um somebody, some people, then the sanctioning bodies they they playing games now, like they really playing about this money thing.
I guess if you have the money to to keep your um, if you have money the money to keep the belts at your, you know, at the weight that you were they’ll.
Allow you to jump off.
You know the Jones and step off the rails and go try and get beat and then come back down and be the champ at the other way.
I guess um, but I mean that’s kind of you know it’s it’s just on that’s unsavory it is.
It is um because if you I mean this is the thing from what I understood or what I know from boxing, especially back in the day.
I’M an old lady right, but if you are a champion at for another sanctioning body and you’re fighting a champion for another sanctioning body, y’all fight, okay, then it can be.
You know there can be.
So if you were the WBC 175, let’s say use these numbers.
175, pounds WBC and you go and fight somebody for the 168 uh WBO title.
Then you know, if you get beat by them, you could come back and you can still be the champion at your weight, but if you’re moving up in the same weight division right, these broads here are fighting for the same belts in the same in different weight Classes right so Katie Taylor is fighting for Chantel camera Katie Taylor, who is the WBC champion at 135.
Pounds is challenging Chantelle Cameron for her WBC 140 pound title and belt.
So, in order to make that jump, if you’re within the same belt body, you have to relinquish your title to go from one way to the next: that’s what that’s what I understood, but if, if Santa, if Katie say Katie, they weren’t Undisputed right and Katie, Taylor Was the like, I said, WBO champion at 135 and she’s challenging Chantelle Cameron for her 140 pound WBC belt right, wbow, two different sanctioned in bodies, so they won’t there’s.
You know, there’s no symmetry there right, so they she can bump back to where she was and and Cameron the same thing right.
It’S it it’s just what I I did.
I did some studying y’all and – and so I don’t see – I don’t understand how this is happening now, but um.
You know we’ll see because um two mccaskill, because she you know she she was getting them 147 hands laid on her ass and she it don’t feel it.
It’S not feeling it’s not feeling you know like she can deal with it.
She wanted to move back down, move down and get to 140 belts where Chantel Cameron was like no no undefined.
I I got these right.
Take your ass back up the 147.
and go and handle your business.
Go now gone right.
She she sent her ass on her way, so I’m waiting a lot of us are waiting for the verdict on whether mccaskill is still 147 champ Undisputed or not right.
So this decision here, if this works out, I guess it’ll work out for um mccaskill, where she she’ll get to hold on to the 147 belts too.
We’Ll see, let’s see, let’s see what these Shenanigans um pan out to be Michael Orr, chimes in and says they fought for the WBA super world light heavyweight title.
So I suppose um was the WBA title vacant and up for grabs right.
So what you know, or were they both trying to fight to get that title or did one have the title and the other was defending it? That’S what I want to know you guys thanks Mike for chiming in chiming, in on that, and thank you Tony for coming.
You know um, following up on my question um, but you know this is this is great this Con.
This conversation is great because uh everyone else chiming in now we can, you know we can get some questions answered, and you know this information a lot of us.
We can be smarter and and how this thing is going right, because this belt situation, belts and bodies.
I mean it’s really all about who can make the belt the most money? It’S not about who’s, the best it’s about who’s, bringing the belts, the who who’s.
Who can pay the most to keep these belts? That’S what it is um with this belt situation, um – and you know me as a fighter coming up.
I really I wasn’t big I and I should have been I should have been, but I wasn’t big on getting belts um.
I should have had my my management, which you know I I I’m all you know sugar is loyal to the truth.
So I’m gon na tell you the truth too about me right.
I was a fighter and fight-minded not business-minded until the very very end right um, but I was about fighting the best because I wanted to be the best I did, and I didn’t realize, because the belts weren’t really that big at the time in women’s boxing.
I didn’t realize that it’s coming the time that you know these belts actually mean something so um that part.
You know what I’m saying, but if I had to do it all over again sugar, you know, I’d probably buy I’d, probably buy a belt or two um.
So Michael Orr comes in and says: bival was defending the title, so bival was defending his title.
His WBA title at um, 175.
and Canelo came down to challenge him and he got beat and turned around Canelo turned around and was able to go back down to uh or go back up to where his weight, where he has his belts and still be champ Money talk and there we go and because that’s some that’s some bull right, um.
There are other contenders right.
So if you decide to leave the weight, if you decide to challenge a bigger dog, then leave the crown where it’s at um and I suppose Canelo must have had the WBA bill because he’s Undisputed at 168, so yeah.
It is what it is um, but back to these broads here um.
So yeah like I said I boxing wise, I think Katie won.
But when you were a champ, you got Beat the Champ concisively right and she moved up to try to beat Chantelle for the 140 pound title.
She ain’t.
She ain’t beat no Chantel.
Chantel was right in front of her.
She stood in front of her the whole time like you got what you got over here: okay, I’ll, take it and I’m here, okay I’ll, take it and I’ll give it right.
I’Ll give you back.
So there was no point in the fight where you know: Katie Taylor Made Chantel, take two steps back or take a step back, and there was no point in the fight where Chantel looked like Katie had her in trouble.
Nothing like that, so yeah chantelle’s the champ, and she also proved that you know Katie Taylor um, even even at one at 140.
You know Katie Taylor, ain’t, doing nothing.
She ain’t scary at no 140 pounds she might and she did and and that for damn sure, don’t make her pound for pound right, because you, if you scary or if you a champ at 135, you get a chance to go to another.
Wait.
Are you supposed to be scary at that weight too, which you know really validates why I said Clarissa Shields is actually the pound for pound uh women’s boxer best women’s boxer right now, because Clarissa Shields fought um as high as I don’t think she fought heavyweight.
But she fought uh hammer who was a heavyweight.
She fought from Super middleweight right on down to where she is right now and as a multi-title world champion.
So you know she had she.
She won these titles in in these different weight classes.
So I think she’s the middleweight and super middleweight um yeah middleweight and super middleweight uh Champion right now, yeah because Natasha Jonas is the junior middleweight champion uh right now Undisputed and they were supposed to come together for a fight and the money wasn’t looking right.
Jonas said uh uh y’all cause, you know, I’ma take a little sippy sip of when I got here.
No sugar, I’m sorry ain’t! No Spirits in this this this this this this juice, it’s water, juice, um, but you know um.
I said yeah um.
They couldn’t negotiate.
The fight uh Natasha Jonas was like um Clarissa, you, the big money you bringing you bringing in paper the paper.
So guess what I need the paper.
If you want me to fight you and vice versa, right because Chantel camera I mean sorry Natasha Jonas – is sitting there like, I don’t need none of y’all, I’m making money.
I got these belts and I got people’s damn here to uh, make sure they paying for these belts, but sooner or later, sooner or later, on, Natasha she’s gon na have to fight somebody to to make them belts.
Make the money to keep those belts, make sense.
We’Ll see we’ll see how this thing pans out, um and it looks like Eddie, earn, went and added Chantelle Cameron to his roster right because he’s not going he’s not gon na lose the belts to somebody who’s not signed under his stable.
So I’m thinking now that Chantel is signed with Ed Here, Eddie Hearn and he’s the biggest winner in in the whole thing right.
He walks away with both the bags he’s the promoter um, so you know he’s making money regardless in the way um Chantelle went, got this pot bubbling now yeah, because she stripped the pound for pound, princess or pound for pound uh, Queen right and now Chantelle Cameron.
If you look, I mean you look at her Skid Row, she has the potential to fight the junior middleweight uh Champion or contenders, and I think she can even go right on up to middleweight and possibly super middleweight right.
She likes to she.
She came off at first like if you look at her pictures when she first started her body was, she was little and you know um.
She didn’t really have much much meat on her like that.
Scaring me, you know the strong muscles, but with them, when you get money you can get better drugs and I’m not saying that these are PEDs.
What I’m saying is you can get better supplements? You can get better uh recovery, better food.
You can get better dietitian.
You can get a lot of these things that will allow you now to be stronger uh if you decide to gain some weight and and and and put the pressure on or or you know, really invest in becoming a more powerful fighter.
Um Michael Orr comes in and says the WBC says it will support Saul Canelo Alvarez if he opts to return to Super middleweight to defend his status as the divisions Undisputed champion.
Don’T Michael Oher comes in again and says: WBO also confirmed Canelo will retain his title.
Despite the loss to Vivo, stating that it is in the best interest of the sport, given the multiple opportunities to continue defending his super middleweight Supremacy against formidable World Championship level opposition, so in layman’s terms he got the money to pay the bills.
For these um belts.
Ain’T none of y’all broke my cause out.
There can’t afford to keep these belts, so it’s in the best interest of boxing for him to pay for these days, because, though, nothing move but the money money – and I told y’all this like that’s what it is right – the best don’t possess the belt.
It’S the it’s the ones who can pay the bill.
Okay, so um, Michael Orr, says political pull and it’s making it to um women’s boxing now, because it never used to be like that right, the robbery or or the shenanigans came from.
If you had a promoter or not now the belts are dealing with us because we had our own belts.
There was one I you know what I’m gon na do a show about the belts that women’s boxing had.
We had completely different belts, we didn’t even fight for a WBC, none of these wboi um ibf the ring BC.
None of them was messing with us right, none of us that they we we couldn’t.
We weren’t in no roster to fight for these belts, but now that they see they can make some money off of women’s boxings back they’ll.
Now they get now, they can make a belt for us to fight.
For I don’t you know, I don’t think that’s fair.
I really don’t um.
I don’t.
I think we should have stuck with who rode with us, but those belts – and I should know them, but I I can’t think of them off the top of my head, I’m gon na I’m I’m going to um definitely dedicate a show to uh the the sanctioning.
The belts that women’s boxing did have back in the day because um yeah, we had our own rankings and everything and it was solid like I, when we were ranked, I I I was a part of that.
I stayed in like the top five.
You know for women’s boxing and then when WBC and all of them they came out, they had their own rankings for their own uh bras that were paying to keep these belts and a lot of it were women or broads that was fighting out of South America.
Mexico, all of those places, because that’s where most of these belts are based out of right so um.
It wasn’t really that big for us up here, but now hmm um, Michael Oher, comes in and says once you challenge up a weight class.
You vacate that title.
Thank you Mike and Mike comes in and says, and the number one and two fight for that title, hello and let the church Preach.
Yes right.
Thank you Mike, and you know it’s it’s.
I know a little something something up here.
Michael Oher says: Dmitry Beval wants Canelo Alvarez’s belts if he is to accept a rematch and and will move down and wait to get them all right.
Well, we’ll see about that, and this men’s boxing we talking a little bit too much about this men’s boxing right.
I, like my mans, but this is a platform for women’s boxing um Michael Orr says the Russian and his team are receptive to the lucrative rematch, but uh Cornell of Cornelius is adamant.
That bival will only accept the second fight if it is at 168 pounds with canelo’s belts on the line.
Yeah I mean like yeah Shenanigans, like yeah.
You know they finally got Spence and Crawford to fight.
You know: shenanigans um, Michael Orr, says back to the track.
Star Katie Taylor, Mike that’s the thing, that’s why, Mike that’s, why you know what you just I got a thing for you because you really be you really be with my.
You know what I’m saying you you you’re you’ll, be with my Chanel.
My little Shenanigans.
I yes, let’s, let’s talk back about uh the track star and Katie Taylor, the darling of women’s boxing so um, I said: Chantel got the the pop bubbling the pot bubbling now, because I want to see her like um.
I I respect her gangster.
I respect her gangster uh Michael Oher, said the ring wasn’t big enough this time right.
This was in this, and this was in her backyard like this was on her porch.
I don’t know, I don’t know see I the sugar, the sugar got a little bit of crazy, like like I I I got a bit too much gangster in there, so I took it to the damn streets.
I don’t body slammed her or something got the fight stopped and and be like nah.
We got, we got ta.
We won’t have to run this back.
We want to run this back.
You ain’t gon na beat me in my backyard like this on points you crazy.
You wan na have to knock I’m gon na have to be on my back.
You have to slump, you know what I’m saying you have to slap.
My ass ain’t finna be who me and I’m pound for pound Katie Taylor.
You cray cray, you crazy nah.
It ain’t no beagle it.
It can’t happen like that so like for me the way it happened, the way it happened.
You know what I’m saying the way it happened, it’s kind of like, like you know us women.
We got stories, you know I’m saying it’s like I’m gon na get like I’m gon na get like I’m gon na.
Have some real woman talk right, it’s like when you, you know you kind of it’s this guy and you know you’re not going to give them.
None you’re, not he ain’t going finna get the chicken the kitty, but somehow something happened.
You get a little Randy or something get wild and next you know you and him.
Oh, it wasn’t supposed to happen not like this.
You know what I’m saying I mean we women, so things happen right talk to talk, Hooten chimed in uh, fisty, Anna fights, vistiana fights, peace and blessings; hey how you doing thanks for chiming in 50.
Did I say it right because y’all know sugar will jam up a name and you know what I don’t mean to it: it’s just uh it.
I think it’s like in My DNA.
I get it from Ruby, that’s my grandmother um and she uh she uh she’s.
A terror damn name into shreds with love all right, so um, hey, hey peace and blessings to you.
I said yes, you said it correctly.
Okay, thank you.
Booboo, thanks for chiming in tell me what you think about this.
Tell me what you think about it or let me know what you think about women’s boxing.
Do you think if somebody tell me something fistiana, do you think right say we are fighting save you say you got say you got a diamond ring right and I got a diamond ring too okay.
But if I fight you, no, no, no, you did what and you enjoyed it.
Okay, all right.
So this means you know a little bit about boxing you enjoyed it.
Who did you think um performed the best that night fistiana? What did you think did you do? Was it Katie or Chantel? You think um fought the best because I don’t like don’t like because it’s political put the best performance put it down right because nobody got hurt or nothing for this wind to happen.
And do you think I’m gon na say this again.
I’M going to ask you the question again: do you think that if a fighter goes after another Fighter’s belt in another weight class that they can keep the belt that they already had in the in the previous weight class, or they should relinquish their belt to step Up to another challenge or step down to another challenge, you tell me um Cristiano says Chantelle had Katie’s number: okay um! I I think Chantelle fought a good fight right.
I do.
I don’t think she had Katie’s number, though, because when you have somebody’s number you dial they ass.
You know what I’m saying you dial you.
You got their ass on dial right and Chantel, never staggered or hurt Katie.
When somebody got your number, you know what I’m saying they could hurt.
You I’ve been in it.
You know I they could ring your bell if they got your number, and I didn’t see that happen.
That’S why I said: Katie won the fight because Katie did her.
Katie ran her hands because y’all know Katie throws punches and bunches in in bunches um, so punch volume was and she didn’t stop Katie Taylor from from running her hands right.
So all she did was she stood there.
She showed how durable she was and she was like.
Oh, oh, my gosh.
This is a really like y’all.
I’M I’m sorry like this, but this fight talk.
This is how we, this is how we talk to each other.
In the rain, if we are not Girl Scouts in there, oh you should it should be a mic for for what we say in there to each other, because that is even more entertaining trust me, um, uh, officiana fight, says absolutely.
I believe Katie should keep the belts if she isn’t officially campaigning at the higher weight class.
Fistiana also says, of course, she would have to be active in both weight classes if she doesn’t want to give up her belts, I mean, I don’t think you can say.
Okay, hold my beer and go up to another weight class and come back and think ain’t.
Nobody gon na drink up your beer.
You know what I’m saying you can’t do that.
That’S monopolizing, the you know: it’s monopolizing the rankings when you, when you leave your weight class when you go fight somebody or when you fight outside of your weight class for a title, you have to give up your seat.
You got to give up your seat.
You can’t hold a spot to go, uh see.
If I see if I win.
If I win, I got them both.
If I don’t, I can run back.
No, if you fail, you fail get that get your ass to the end of the line, because we got somebody next and the other person after that that can fight that should fight.
For that title, it’s not! I don’t it’s not fair.
50 on it.
Ain’T Fair! Come on Christiana, you know it ain’t, Fair um, but you know I respect your opinion.
I respect your opinion, but you know for as somebody who’s been I’ve been in I’ve been in it.
I lived it.
You know, I’ve been a contender.
I’Ve been a contender waiting for an opportunity and for me to see somebody leave the weight class and then go fail or go lose and come back and they get their spot.
Where you know now what you know, then they get to choose if they get to fight me or not, that’s not fair.
When you leave and then I get a chance to step up and fight for for the vacant, for the opportunity that you just you know, you just left to take another opportunity, um Christiana fight, says there’s just not enough women.
In boxing I mean, if you look at some of these rankings, there are empty spots, vistiana fight says in men.
Boxing is different.
Let me tell you something: fistiana when you look at these rankings you’re looking at that body’s rankings, you’re.
Looking at that body’s rankings, there’s mad women in women’s boxing, especially in Pro women’s boxing too.
It’S it’s a whole bunch.
A lot of us yeah right.
The rankings are political, I remember when I was very active and they used to be like your sugar can fight for this um yeah I can get you ranked.
All I got ta do is call the body we could get you ranked at this, and this and this next do you know you get the belt.
It’S all it’s! It’S all a phone call right.
So I hate I hate this thing.
I hate this bull Jive.
That’S out here that people feel like there are not enough women’s boxer women boxers.
There are many of us.
There are a lot of contenders licking their chops waiting for an opportunity.
It’S just that, especially now before it was, can your promoter pay for you to get a belt right now, it’s mad money.
We have a lot of.
Can your pro who’s your promoter now where, before promoters back in the back end, when Suge was fighting you, you hit the lotto.
If you had a promoter by you, you got a promoter.
You know so um now that the sanctioning bodies can make some money unless you’re buying into that sanctioning body.
You’Re not gon na get ranked right.
When you start making calls showing up today’s stuff, you know show being apart.
Then then they see who you are.
Then you get ranked um, fistiana fights comes in and says now.
What I don’t agree with is the rematch clause.
I believe: if Katie takes the rematch, then she should give up her Bells, especially if she plans on defending the higher weight belts.
Now this rematch class done got right.
It started again.
I remember my advisor when I when I started getting smart after I after I knocked Jessica Camara out well, when I was get when I was in negotiation, uh to find Jessica Kamerica.
She was like the next.
You know she was up next, everybody just thought she was going to be the jam but um I jammed her ass up so and the reason why I did I mean there’s some bad blood outside the outside the ring with this with this broad too right, but Um going into the fight, I didn’t get paid right.
I I basically fought the for a cheeseburger.
I did.
My people was paid for my they.
They didn’t even pay for me to uh the the promoter um it was.
It was her people that that um sent me the the challenge and I took it.
The promoter was on her side.
Everybody was on her side and I just had my I just had my I.
I have my Misfits the people that love me, my fans um.
They they put together, they made sure Shug stayed in the a better Hotel.
A nice place the nicer place than she did.
You know they they, you know they showed that they still believed in me and so um.
What I did was I um.
I um countered her Challenge and I said: okay yeah I’ll fight, you um and yeah I’ll fight you for p I’ll fight you for this cheating peanuts for this cheeseburger, but um.
If I win or if and um, what does it yeah? Because I wanted to fight her for the Canadian title, but she hadn’t had enough uh rounds.
She had not had enough fights to fight for the title right and – and I think me too, like we were sub 10 and the the Canadian uh body, the Canadian championship body was like you needed to have over 10 fights or some something like that.
In order to fight for the the the title and we were supposed to, they would not allow us to fight more than uh something like six rounds or something like that.
So I told I said you know uh I’ll fight you for the for the cheeseburger.
My advisor came in and said shook I’ll put the rematch clause in there.
If you know, if I, if you lose uh or if or if any of y’all lose you get to rematch and the rematch then puts you in place for the Canadian title, which the body we we talked to the body and the body said yes, we’ll allow This okay, so it was going to be some good stuff coming, but the catch was.
I would if anybody got knocked out that rematch clause was out the window yeah.
So that’s how that goes so um.
What I did was I pulled the um I pulled.
You know I pulled it back into my Waters because one thing sugar, no, she could do if she could knock a out.
Yes, I got the Thunder.
I got the Thunderclap right, especially if you know if I’m prepared right, if I get a chance to if I get a chance right so um I’ve been trying to beat her off points.
I was trying to knock her out well.
My intention was to knock her out, which I did and The Knockout you know I I knocked her out in such a way that I ruined her as a fighter, so she ain’t been the same since I think she just got stopped by um.
She just got stopped by everybody.
Just after after I stopped Camara, because my stop at mccaskill, she dropped me in the fight.
I keep saying you know, I tell the story and I was fighting mccaskill in Chicago her backyard and it was yes, I did get dropped, but I could get.
I could have got back up and finished the fight.
The ref waved the fight off so technically um.
They said that I was stopped by um Catskill, but um yeah, I got clipped, but I didn’t get stopped, stop Jessica Camara.
She won the same like she Mike.
You know.
I know you’ve seen the footage night night, but I said you know I talk.
I talked to talk about that because you know they were there.
There was some beef there and out of the beef I made burgers anyway um what y’all talking about down here? Fistiana fights came back instead or did it that that correctly, I’ve been a boxing fan for over 40 years.
Okay baby.
I know there are plenty of women, but if there aren’t ranked what are the chances of them getting the bigger fights this the chances on fistiana? What happens, is you see like how they get the Tomato cams and they hype them up and, and they say, oh all, of a sudden – they don’t put some.
They didn’t put this broad out the air and now she’s a world beater and this, and that and this and that that’s how they do it.
They make you the bodies, then make an opponent or make an opponent a contender right.
So it’s not that oh you’ll! Never get a chance now, yes, but before uh, not so much right now, um they like, I said there are many female contenders out there.
It’S just that um! You got to get your money together.
You got to get your money right and when you get your money right as a female Contender and you start calling the sanctioning bodies, you have good management because now, since you know, since they put money in there, we got to take it seriously too.
We got to get better management and we got to get money behind us right.
You got ta have money to be a woman boxer.
Now before all you had to do was have these so um.
In order to join the politics, you got ta, you got ta um get your team up, so yeah um it it doesn’t mean, and women who are in the rankings aren’t necessarily like just because you’re in the rankings you may be ranked at 20.
That don’t mean you’re going to get picked.
You know what I’m saying: it’s really politics and about the money um Michael Orr says world rankings.
Pound-For-Pound list has 2001 active female pugilists, okay, so 2001 and I’m sure there’s more trust me um it.
The federal ID the IDS, the that’s what you count right.
You don’t count the rankings, you don’t count who’s ranked you count who’s, who got an ID number that that’s getting in there fighting, because we all have to have an ID number um, that’s how they keep track of us um.
It’S kind of like a social security.
Number in the U.
S – I don’t know a a SIN number in Canada.
I don’t know what what number y’all have in the UK or anywhere else in the world, but everyone has like a government ID number well, as a fighter, you get a government ID number too to show that oh you’re in this world of pugilism um Michael Oher, Says so um, so you can’t say: there’s not enough women out here.
Doing this um Michael Orr also says: don’t forget all the registered uh, goodness y’all y’all going at it huh.
Let me let me let me catch up to y’all.
Uh Michael Orr says that um don’t forget all the registered active women pugilists that don’t even make the pound for pound list uh fistiana fight says at Michael Oher, I’m not saying there are.
There are enough women.
What I’m saying is that the sanctions in bodies are known to have empty spots in the rankings right, so they have empty spots in the rankings because ain’t nobody paid for that spot, um, fistiana, uh! That’S why ain’t? Nobody paid your money, ain’t right! Your money! Ain’T! Long, your money might be long enough to be at number 15.
, your money ain’t long enough to be at number five.
I I hope you’re getting it uh, fistiana fight, says um, Michael Oher, and how many of those women will actually get a chance at a world title unranked more than you believe, trust me, because what happens is when you’re at if you’re the champion.
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