The Belts & Bodies | The Sugar Show with Natalie Brown | Talkin Fight

As always, Sugar is ready to represent women boxers around the world with her weekly show on the belts and the bodies that oversee the great sport of boxing.

The SUGAR Show is a series focused on Women’s Boxing. Natalie SUGAR Brown visits all aspects of Women’s Championship Boxing involving both up-and-coming and seasoned amateur and professional female boxers, along with studio segments covering headlines and developments across the sport. The program primarily broadcasts on Wednesday nights at 7:30 pm eastern time, weekly.

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[, Music, ] foreign on a Wednesday night y’all know what that means.

It’S the Natalie sugar brown show where Moi Natalie sugar brown sits down and talks to you, my Misfits about women’s boxing, and this is the platform to talk that that I use.

I come back to talk about the industry of women’s boxing.

I am Natalie sugar brown once again, uh a woman boxer that has been there done that in the industry, and this is the platform now that connects me to you guys, where I’m giving you the authentic perspectives of a woman boxer in women’s boxing so yeah.

Here we are: I’ve already got somebody chiming in hey there, Eddie Eddie, Barrington chiming in talking about hey sugar, hey Eddie, we in here, okay, then party then got started yeah.

So tonight’s episode is titled belts and bodies, because, just recently I mean in in the whole um uh simmering pot about this.

You know start sizzling with the Clarissa Shields Savannah Marshall um mega women’s Mega Match um recently in the headlines of women’s boxing ring magazine, has just stripped Clarissa Shields of her belt um and I believe it’s the 154 pound belt that they stripped her of now.

The fly in the ointment with this one is: she didn’t know until they dropped the news in the media on social media so um they came out and said that Clarissa Shields vacated her belt.

Where she quickly responded.

No, I didn’t vacate a nobelt.

I didn’t even know um, I was being stripped of the belt, so yes um.

That now sparked the you know, so it just kind of gave me the spark in my mind, to really break this belt and body situation down for my people out here, and this goes for uh mailboxing and uh women’s boxing or men’s boxing in women’s boxing.

The reason why I want to break this thing down is because what you guys, Michael, hey, Mike Michael Oher times in Tomball, hey sugar, hey Mike glad to see you your face, is in the place.

Eddie’S Eddie’s face is also in the place.

And yes, let’s take up this space and talk about women’s boxing, so I don’t know if y’all heard Clarissa Shields then got stripped of her ring magazine, middleweight belt.

Now the the thing about it is Ring magazine is uh the it’s called or or is known and named as the Bible of boxing okay.

So all of the um Gospel of boxing all the stories, all the Articles anything historically has been covered in Ring magazine.

Okay, so it’s all about branding here, so they have a belt and Clarissa Shields with all her up the other belts that she has uh possessed their middleweight belt.

Okay, and so they announced that um she vacated the belt, but she uh countered they announced it in social media uh, where she countered in social media.

No, I did not vacate the belt, you guys, um took it from me and she, you know like, as everyone found out, that the belt was snatched or vacate they stripped her.

That’S when she found out that she was getting stripped of that belt, which is like just Shady business, because you know, then everybody started throwing in there how um you know.

Tyson Fury went uh over a year.

You know uh without even uh.

You know Putin, stale, wind on their belt and all of a sudden now uh they’re, stripping Clarissa Shields and and their reasoning was because she did not defend her title within an 18-month period where Tyson Fury.

I um I’d done a little research.

He hadn’t defended uh their their title and built in something like like two years Konami, and so you know this is where I always talk about the receipts needing to be checked.

Okay, so they like this is Clarissa Shields is the Women’s Champion period.

She got all the belts, all the titles, okay, all the bells, all the whistles – and now you know just uh on some shady business.

They strip her of her middle of the middleweight of the title that she won um.

Coincidentally, around the same time that Natasha Jonas will be fighting um goodness, who uh to carry Eva decarre for that middleweight title so um I mean I’m sure you all can connect the dots on this.

They want to give them girls the belt because they feel like Clarissa Shields ain’t, making them no money on top of that belt, and possibly Eva people them or Natasha Jonas people even to carry people them or Natasha Jonas people them uh put a you know, whisper.

It in somebody’s ear and slid some money under a table and say look we want, we won’t build if you give it time, okay and so said, sudden, okay, so Michael or chimes in and says she’ll says she has no problem going back to 154 and giving All the new champs smoke beautiful, so I mean I hear her and I, and thanks for um, adding that Mike the thing about it is that Clarissa doesn’t understand, and I all I’m always saying this – you cannot just be.

There cannot just be one Queen and if you are one Queen, you need to have some bad [, __ ] or some bad broads up under you.

That’Ll hold your belt for you till you come back for it.

If you know what I mean, so if she was giving other names, you know if she was bringing some other broads up under her Kellner.

You know all of that.

I keep saying her anymore whatever and saying: listen, um we gon na fight for this 154 belt.

I’M gon na come back.

Okay, I’m gon na.

Let you defend if you win or or whatever it is.

Okay.

Imma defend this belt with you, okay, and if you fight under me for these many months or if you you know, then we’ll come back and do another Mega rematch with that 154 belt.

Then you have why? Because Raquel knows that she gon na make money.

She gon na make some money right because Carissa gon na fight me in this amount of time, so I can make some money at 154.

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Clarissa could also make the deal with another 154.

okay up and coming and say, listen I’ll fight you at this time.

Okay, so she’s defending, but no all of these broads in the business want to be the queen, the one the only one right they don’t want to share none of the money.

They don’t want to share another to shine, and this is what happens.

You can’t beat everybody Clarissa, okay, so you can.

You can feel like because this is what they trying to do to you, honey.

You don’t see it.

The business been here before you and you may be the boss in the ring, but there are many bosses.

Okay, under the whole umbrella of the industry, you can’t Moonlight up and down in weight because, as I said before, when your different weights, you become a different fighter right.

So you can’t come down from 65, then go to 54! Then do this and then go back up and do that you can’t do that.

Okay body! Won’T let you do that you’re human! You may feel like a goddess okay, because I’ve had that feeling before too being on top of the world being ranked in the top.

But you have to understand that you are a human being okay, so you can’t fight Savannah Marshall in Dam up here and then go down and fight Natasha Jonas in them and then go back up and go to.

You can’t do that.

You can’t do that right.

You’Re taking the and you you now they’re using time against her because they want her to defend in a certain allotted amount of time, and in doing that, you have to maintain either your size going up and going down to defend high quality opposition you’re.

I don’t care how good she she’s great.

She has a phenomenal IQ, but at the end of the day we are human beings right, so we have to succumb to our mortality and the mortality.

Is you know your heart? Has your heart beats pumps blood into the the muscles and the muscles have to maintain, be maintained to um gain strength in in a certain weight, and then you have to cut, and when you cut your your now depleting or depriving your body, so the body can Shrink down and move up and shrink down and move up and you’re fighting high-end contenders in all of these weight classes, sweetie slow down.

Now you got ta you you, you got ta pick an outfit right because you can’t wear them all: okay, so either you’re gon na be super middleweight champion or middleweight champion or you’re, going to be junior middleweight champion okay and sit on that throne and bring some Other broads up under you, so you can make this money because it’s not it’s not about the attention.

It’S not about the spotlight.

You cannot sit in that Spotlight for very long.

Why? Because, as you’re progressing you’re going, somebody else is coming, but that money got to be made so as you’re going.

What you want to do is you want somebody you want to bring somebody up under you to keep you afloat with that money, so you can capitalize as much as you can, while you’re in the spotlight.

Okay, this section in bodies: don’t love nobody; okay, they are Rest Haven for bronze who want to be champion and who will do anything to be champion, and these broads have backers that will invest and pay these belts and bodies to give their girl a shot at Obtaining that belt, so they can make some money off of the investment.

That’S what nobody is seeing.

The business of boxing so Michael Oher comes in and says she has has fought 154 in over 18 months.

It’S funny choose to stop her uh of the belt.

Just before her fight, and just in time for the winner of Jonas de Carrey yeah, I mean it’s not funny.

It’S sweet.

She she’s now learning that the system will always win.

The business of boxing will always beat you.

What you need to do is run in get as much as you can and get the hell out.

While you have your faculties, okay, because this thing will drag you, it will um it feels good being in the spotlight right.

You don’t want to leave it.

That’S why a lot of my fellow male boxers and um female boxers they keep doing it until you know they’re the ones that become high-end Journey, uh, journeyman and journey women high-end opponents, Stepping Stones, not even Gatekeepers anymore, for the next up and coming okay, and when You, don’t you don’t want it, you don’t want to be that you know you don’t want to be so desperate for the attention from it that you will make a mockery of your legacy.

Okay, um! So yes, they’ve chosen to strip her.

They didn’t strip her before and um.

Nowadays you know we got email, we got all sorts of stuff for communication, they did not even send her uh communicate.

You know an email to say you know you’re approaching the 18th month window.

Are you going to defend that? 154, do you have anything scheduled? No, they let that thing expire just in time for Jonas versus dakare, because they’ve been talking to Jonas and they care either Jonas or declare about yeah, we’ll make sure you get this belt.

I tell you guys: belts are bought, they’re, not one and the best fighters.

Don’T possess the belts.

Okay, it’s I guess it’s how I think it’s maybe hard for some people to believe, but it’s purely political.

That’S why I never played the game.

Okay, uh uh sugar had sugar.

Had sugar just didn’t see the point of paying um another mortgage on a belt, because I mean you’re, paying four figures hurt or you know, per possible defense.

So every every quarter, every time you’re supposed to defend you, you need to pay them their money right and this these are thousands of dollars just to hold that belt.

Nah right that wasn’t for me, I knew I was if not the best, if not the baddest.

I knew my name and my reputation was enough for people to say yeah, but my money right, because belts are branding right if you have a belt that adds another zero to your um pay rate right, and so you know where you know.

I was a part of the previous um class and generation where they just wanted to see some badass women right and they they knew who the baddies now the best you know, they’ve Incorporated the belts into women’s boxing and the belts matter now.

So it’s not enough.

Just to be a baddie, you got to be a baddie with a belt in order to make some money doing this, and in order to have the opportunities to to um, be a woman’s boxer, travel and and and show uh who you are and what your brand Is and what your skill is, you have to align yourself with one of these bodies, um Michael Orr, says and Shield’s last fight at 154 was March to uh 2021 and it was a win over de carre.

Isn’T that a coincidence? Isn’T that a coincidence that the Kerry now um was the last person that she fought at 154 and she’s being stripped of that title or that belt around this around the same time that Natasha, Jonas and decarre are fighting for the very same title I mean you.

It’S it’s pretty it’s disheartening for me, because this is the the one thing that I knew about women’s boxing was we were real? Okay, we were real realer than you know, I would even say the mailboxing, because we were we were fighting to be the best.

We were fighting, you know and we knew who the best was and who the better ones and who the contenders were and all that we knew that it was apparent.

No one was really buying these favors right.

I mean you had you have those who was getting it.

You know um, giving out a little kitty cat to for the better trainers and to go to the better camps and things like that.

But it wasn’t to the point where you know it’s now: the the the belts and all of these things were involved.

It was just um, I don’t know just sweeter times for me um.

So now it’s political, very political, Eddie Barrington says that sounds like the casino.

For me.

That’S funny, you know I could never really get get into gambling at the casino.

I tell you a quick Story.

One time I went to the casino with a friend and he was at the blackjack table and um you know um, you got to put your money in, so you could get a hand or whatever.

So he was like yeah you’re gon na put your money in yeah, okay, yeah fifty dollars.

I said oh fifty dollars because I thought, okay, you know you get to.

I get to try or whatever so um all.

I know because I don’t even know how to play: Blackjack, okay, the dealer or whoever stand in the middle puts out the cards and everybody put their card down and he swiped my my my coins.

You know my chips and I was like okay.

Can I get my change back and my friend was like you don’t get no change back.

You lost, I said what you mean I lost so so he they’re going.

They just take all my money that was fifty dollars and listen.

Sugar Sugar Can Be Frugal.

Okay, um you’re, not just gon na unless it’s gon na I’ll, spend my money but you’re not gon na.

Take my money off of no card game.

You’Re not gon na.

Take my money off and no stale, but no I don’t play that and ever since then I just been traumatized about gambling yeah.

I don’t do it, I don’t like I I don’t like guessing right.

I I don’t I I don’t.

I don’t do that right.

So like when y’all hear me tell me, I just might put my rent money on that.

Just know just know how real that statement is coming from sugar, okay, so um Eddie Barrington also adds in roulette.

So I guess that’s Eddie’s game.

You know at at the casino roulette, I listen, you do you, but sugar just can’t do it, because the casino got like pretty decent food, though you know, I go for the food and the socializing and stuff, but I keep my money in him.

Um Michael Orr says uh the ring cited their rule during the stripping of the belt that they do not allow a fighter to hold a ring belt in two weight divisions while being inactive in one of the divisions for 18 months.

So um you couldn’t have sent that to shorty in an email.

That’S what I like.

That’S all I have to say, like that’s, they’re, still slime they’re trying to they’re trying to be.

Oh.

You know we are upstanding in the rules where ain’t no rules, ain’t, no rules, Clarissa they mad – that Clarissa didn’t make no money on their belt for them for the past 18 months, and so they snatched that belt from her, because either Jonas people them or to Carry people them said we’ll make you some money off that belt right because Carissa she has, I mean she’s, she’s kind of losing sight of what the business of it is.

You can’t just walk around with the belts you have to be fighting.

You have to be working, those belts working, the belts, ain’t, putting them on and shimming around in them working the bounces.

You got to fight a bad broad, a contender in that weight division within a certain amount of time.

You got ta sell that belt.

You got to bring attention to that belt.

You got to have people to buy tickets, to see that belt being defended, otherwise they’re going to take the money they’re going to give it to somebody else, who’s going to do that right.

They they don’t love you that much that they just love to see.

You possess their belts.

No, it doesn’t work that way.

That’S why you used to see certain Champions, throw belts in the garbage, that’s showing the sanction, the invited that list – and I don’t need this [ __ ].

I’M me I’m the champ, okay, um and, to be quite honest, I mean sugars out the game now.

So I could say definitely what I want to say.

I I ain’t got no papers holding me back.

I threw that [ __ ] in the garbage in front of everybody here here, go your your ring magazine belt bloop in the garbage.

I’M Clarissa Shields, I’m the champ right, because it was very disrespectful how they did it.

Okay, um Michael Oher, says right right: okay, Michael Oher also says ding ding ding.

We have a winner, also Michael store chiming in oh, you didn’t make us a dime for 18 months, bye-bye Shields.

Yes, they was like bye, babe, [, Laughter, ], and that’s what I’m telling you so these broads that you see got all the belts and stuff it ain’t.

They don’t have all the belts because they bad they got all the belts because they paying the mortgage on all of these belts.

Okay and like I said, they’re you’re, paying four figure at least four figures to hold each belt within the duration, so you’re paying those four figures at least three or four times a year, just to hold that belt right.

They don’t care.

If you fighting anybody else, they don’t they don’t care about that.

You need to make us our money.

Okay, that’s what they care about and that’s what this business is Michael Oher says every belt represents a percentage of your purse.

Okay, so now you get that mic right and that’s what I want all of the SE to get.

I want the audience to understand that it’s not about the business of it is not about who’s.

The best the business is is not about.

You know asses in seats per se.

The business is about, it is pay us our money right and you know the with the promoters.

Now they translate that to I used to oh, I hate this term asses and C’s put asses in seats, please.

So that’s why they’re running to women’s boxing, because the sanctioning fees in women’s boxing are way less than the sanctioning fees for the belts in mailboxing.

So that’s why those guys those boys sit around and you know uh, but they don’t they don’t fight or whatever.

It is they they hold it the belt’s hostage, because they’re paying up to uh.

You know they’re, paying six figures per time, increment just to hold those belts, so you know that they have millions of dollars behind them.

Millions of dollars uh people who possess millions of dollars behind them just so they can sit back and decide who and when they fight to defend those titles um.

So Michael Orr chimes in saying major sanctioning bodies get three percent and that’s up to three thousand dollars.

That’S for a million dollar fighter right, so this is women’s boxing and uh.

I I don’t care what nobody say: we don’t have no million dollar Fighters.

Katie Taylor is not a million dollar fighter.

Amanda Serrano is not a million dollar fighter.

Now the Revenue from that match might have been a million dollars over a million dollars, but not one fighter.

No one fighter in women’s boxing is generating a purse of one million dollars, no ma’am, no spam, no ham.

So um said that to say this I mean we’re gon na we’re gon na review what these belts are and – and you know who what they’re looking like and all of that stuff.

So um you know I I for an average woman boxer.

She would get something like fifty thousand dollars, at least you know, depending on who she is and where she is at least fifty thousand dollars uh for a title, shot defense or for uh.

You know at to go for fight for their title, so she’s gon na pay like five thousand dollars right – and I know this – you can bargain, but they want at least five thousand dollars.

They’Re, not even gon na take a thousand dollars from you.

They want at least five thousand dollars for you to hold their belt at least okay.

So when you saw and um goodness my my fighter, my my um, my Misfit uh women’s Boxing Channel, hasn’t chimed in yet um Michael Oher comes in uh, saying oh uh, my host comes in saying Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano is being billed as the biggest fight In the history of women’s boxing, but their 1 million paydays pale in comparison to the money being made by men in the sport until we can see the receipts on that bull Jive, it’s just a cold fart in the Wind yeah.

I said it right.

There are no million dollar women boxers, none um, they it’s billed as the biggest fight in the history of women’s boxing, because people paid money right in in the history of women’s boxing.

That was the most money.

Any promoters have invested in a women’s boxing match.

It wasn’t that it was billed where you know people.

You know it generated all this millions of dollars.

No right, you got ta, understand the business and you got to understand words.

When people are saying when people are trying to Jive you, you got to listen to what they saying, so you don’t get jived okay, um Michael Orr says women pay two percent up to two hundred thousand dollars so who paying that that two hundred thousand dollars is A purse they not paying two hundred dollar thousand dollars to hold none of them belts, like I said, none of those broads are million dollar Fighters, so they may pay up to 10 from maybe 10 ten to thirty thousand dollars to hold the belt right to hold.

On to the belts depending on who their promoter is depending on who they are, but they not paying nowhere near no two hundred thousand dollars to possess sanction and fee to possess it or hold on to nobelt and and really that’s what the argument was about.

Women’S boxing right, because they those bodies were male based, male dominated, and they just did not see where Women’s boxing would be that sting to the general public for them to justify their fees for their.

You know for their sanctioning, so we did a lot of unsanctioned fights right.

Our fights were unsanctioned unrecognized by these mofos, who are now the you know, um the authority on who which brought us the champion, but before right, when we couldn’t afford when they didn’t when they they didn’t, acknowledge us, because they didn’t our money, wasn’t good to for Them good enough for them.

We we still had our own champions.

We Still, you know, we still knew who the Champs were.

We still knew who the best was and that’s when it was authentically real right, because nobody was really there was nobody to really pay off.

You know you just had to be the better yeah, better bit better, broad, better Crone, and you had to have a following and people you know had to really truly love.

You and [ __ ] with you, because they were gon na make sure that they support you and buy tickets.

Whenever you came to town, okay, um, my host says how much money does Amanda Serrano make per fight? Jake Paul was the first to confirm that Taylor and Serrano would be making seven figures for their fight inside Madison Square Garden.

This is a major difference compared to when Serrano was making around 1500 to 4 000.

The money includes a guaranteed purse, plus the share from those who buy the event on Pay-per-view.

Like I said baby, unless Jake Paul can show me the receipts that them two broads make made a million a piece.

It didn’t happen because it doesn’t happen like that.

Right, you’re, absolutely right: how does abroad jump from making fifteen hundred dollars between fifteen hundred dollars and and four thousand dollars to one million dollars who the [ __ ] who’s, paying to see this? This check? Who knows this chick? You know what I’m saying he was guaranteed that, because he had investors, invest in it right because he guaranteed the investors that there was going to be with the marketing and all of that stuff.

There was going to be some turnover and revenue on the money that they invested and they should get their money back, plus a little bit of gravy on top right, Amanda, Serrano and Katie Taylor.

They got probably got paid from the promoter they probably got paid.

I would say in the lower six figures, but they ain’t get paid, no million dollars, no um Michael Orr, chimes in and says Taylor and Serrano both received 1 million before all the deductions show me the receipts.

Please please show me where they made a meal.

It don’t even make sense tax wise for her to take that money.

You know what I mean right.

You jump from this tax bracket to now you’re a millionaire.

You know how much Uncle Sam gon na squeeze that ass.

It doesn’t make sense, okay, so um! I I know I know they promised you, I know they said and they promised, but this is boxing especially women’s boxing.

You’Re gon na get lied to and you’re gon na get played and they lying to you and they playing you.

Okay, um Michael Orr, says so they probably walked away with three to four hundred thousand.

Like I said um, they probably I know, Katie Taylor probably got like 300 000.

Serrano may have gotten 200 000.

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You know and I’m saying that’s how that worked out.

Um Michael Orr says it’s a million before everyone puts their hands in your pocket.

It was never a million like I said the investors put that money down those ladies performed right.

They were not their purse, not even post post the contract.

No one wants to post the receipts post the contract where they were offered because everybody’s Contra contracts are on file right.

This is public record.

Let me see where the sanctioning bodies and the commissions have on record what the purses were, and I guarantee you the purses were not a million a piece.

If you want to do some research out there, that’s some homework for you.

Okay, um, Michael Orr, says it came from pay-per-view earning uh Michael Orr says not the purse they baby.

Let me explain this to you: you’re, just the fighter that pay-per-view money – ain’t – even yours, unless you negotiated with the promoter yeah I’ve been there done that baby I mean I’ve, you got to negotiate.

Everything is negotiated, they’re not going to give them girls no pay-per-view money, especially the the money that that’s gon na, be Millions that’s going to equate to the million.

No.

No.

No, it doesn’t work like that.

No uh, Michael Orr, says um.

The million is from the pay-per-view buys and from the promoters nothing to do with the purse sweetheart.

Let’S, let’s, let’s go back now when there is a bid for a fight.

There’S a purse bid mind you and in that purse bid you tell me what happens in that purse bid come back and tell me what happens in that purse bit come on back and tell me what happens in that purse bid and then we can go from There, because it’s like you, want me to keep repeating myself and you know sugar, you don’t know these people, then, but you think sugar up here lying to you and I have no reason they have more reasoning to lie about what they did, because they want you To believe that they did something huge, that’s not the case.

It just uh.

It just doesn’t add up right if you, if you know how a fight’s made you’ll, see that this doesn’t add up now, um, you know I.

I did a little homework and a little you know some some research just to get drops and drop some Jewels or drop some dimes on um, oh Michael, but Michael Orr times back in their purse, was never negotiated for seven figures.

They were paid seven figures by their promoters.

That’S it that’s how they made their money.

Their purse was nothing close to seven figures.

Please show me where their promoters paid them a million dollars.

Where did the promoter pay them a million dollars? They got paid a million dollars each.

It doesn’t work that way.

Baby Michael or it doesn’t work.

Michael Oher says I’ll.

Send you the article I don’t care about.

No article, I don’t care about article is, is is um, it is somebody’s opinion.

Did you know that an article is just a book report from a journalist from somebody who reads and and does that? That’S not facts.

Send me the documents from the commission.

Their public record send that to me and then we can talk right.

Sugar knows this game.

Mike sugar know the game more than you baby, that’s what sugar, no okay! I fought in this game.

I’Ve had promoters take money from me.

I’Ve had promoters give money to me.

I know how this thing works, there’s math behind it and the these numbers don’t add up with regards to these million dollar purses that just doesn’t add up.

Okay, if you look at the numbers just to put that fight on, you will see that they just weren’t gon na, invest in paying Amanda, Serrano and Katie Taylor, one million dollars to fight, especially on these fighters, who have never generated that type of money before they’ve.

Never generated that amount of money right, so it’s the marketing and the sponsorships that would get that you know and that’s an investment, that’s an investment right, it’s it’s so and and then let’s get deeper into this game right.

Let’S, let’s go back to to what you were saying: let’s go back to what my host said: um Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano is being billed as the biggest fight in the history of women’s boxing, so, if it’s being billed as the biggest fight in women’s boxing, Let’S be fair: okay, let’s be completely Fair.

That would mean that the event itself right, the prospects were able to generate the biggest the largest amount of money in the history of business and marketing for the industry of women’s boxing.

So, that’s meaning that these women made more money than when Laila Ali fought Jackie Fraser lied, which that’s that was the biggest that they had said back then right.

They said they said this very same thing: they they literally cut and paste what you just typed right.

That’S they literally said that back then right and I was I was a young in back then right.

So I was all for it and I believed it until I got into the game heavy right, because I was an amateur at that time.

So I was that amateur I was like yes, this is women’s boxing.

We gon na make that money.

Now it was a cold splash of piss.

In my face, when I turned Pro – and I really realized – and I really experienced what the real numbers were and are in the industry of women’s boxing and understanding that what they write in the media is is far from what actually happens and that’s why we have The sugar show right because I need to shine a light on this.

We’Re not making women’s boxing is not making enough money for the fans and the people to be lied.

To like this, we are still women out here are still starving, they’re, still fighting and being exploited right.

They bleed they’ve take their time.

They their bodies are being beaten.

They just like these men right, but because these men, it’s so political in the men’s game.

Now, it’s so political, where you got to put your money where your mouth is in the men, they’re, pivoting and they’re, getting what money they can by lying about the inflated numbers in women’s boxing, because no one ever checked receipts and no one ever checks receipts in Women’S boxing, because when we start as women’s boxing right, because people out here look there’s so many damn shows out here, the real uh women’s are talking about women’s right.

The industry of what the business of women’s and none of those mother suckers are saying what needs to be said, which is the dollars in the cents and how it makes sense and how you gon na make a buck trying to make sense in this business right.

Everyone does interviews, and it’s all for sure, right if you’re not marketable right.

You see this.

You see, I I got a nice little body too right.

I had to work it anywhere and I ain’t working in the cheap way right, because at the end of the day I respected my craft.

I can fight right, but it’s the fact that I compelled many people internationally to love sugar and want to see sugar and want to buy a ticket for at least fifty dollars right 50 euros to come.

Watch me.

Do it right they at least right.

I was so I I was marketable and, as so compelling as a person outside of the ring that people wanted me to endorse their products.

People wanted me to wear their gear.

People wanted me to do all of these things that allowed me to make money as a pugilist right, because nobody was fighting sugar.

How do you think sugar survived right? It was tough, but that’s what the business is.

Ain’T, no broad out here: ain’t no [, __ ] out here, making millions of dollars because they’re such a great fighter, the great Fighters were fighting were the women who started this [ __ ], that those are who the great Fighters were.

Why? Because nobody even gave them a spotlight, they had to go out there and March and make noise and shave their heads and go on hunger strikes and Sue.

The com sue, the commissions and all of that just to get an opportunity to have an opportunity to make some money doing this.

Those were the Great women Fighters.

Those women got together and fought each other, so they can make money now.

What you’re seeing is the garnish on the plate? What you’re seeing are entitled little wet, wet nose, broads thinking that or faking that they making all this money because they’re not and if they are making this type of money they selling something else too.

Okay, yeah, I said it and I don’t need to argue I don’t wan na.

I don’t even have to argue we could fight about it.

Okay, um they’re, not the the money, is not that fluid in women’s boxing right, um and there’s a lot of broads in the business that they just they just wan na.

They just want a seat under the spotlight and that’s good enough for them.

They just want to be flown out somewhere and stay in a nice hotel and that’s good enough for them.

Okay, they’re not trying to use this to do nothing else, but get get whatever 5 15 minutes of fame that they can get look at the bag.

Lady uh welterweight champion for since we’ve been since I’ve been Pro for, like over 10 years, close to 20 years and she’s till this day out here, trying to beg somebody to fight her.

So she can make some money.

You had those belts for all those years and you telling me you didn’t, make enough money to be a promoter and promote others and have your own place in the market of this industry.

So you could make some money off of these wet nose.

Broads coming up! You’Re telling me you didn’t: no, she never made that much money.

There wasn’t that much money right and you get treated so good right.

They call you the queen.

They treat you so good that you think you’ll never end, and you think these people love me and they’ll always love me till the gravy train run dry and then that’s when you see who your real friends are.

That’S who you see who your real man who really wants to manage you and what they do for you? Okay, that’s that’s where you see where your pennies go! Huh! That’S when you see okay, so I mean I sit back because I know – and I see it all because I’ve been there and I’ve done that right.

But I’m not going to argue.

I’M not gon na sit here and argue about no article, I’m not going to do that.

I love you boo, boo, bye.

I argue about something else, but I’m not going to argue about somebody else’s opinion who just happened to write an article about it.

Oh um and a lot of them folks uh, have never touched.

The ring have never don’t know nothing about this business right, even the ones who sit on these panels, they’re getting paid off everybody’s, getting everybody somebody stuffing something in their pocket, except for sugar right um.

I will always be loyal to the truth, and I’m not doing this for the attention and I’m not doing this – I mean I love to make a buck, but I’m doing this because I’ve seen so many of us and I’ve also.

I also want to count myself as being swept up by this hole industry, and I know that there are still women out here that put their heart and soul into this, and they deserve the truth.

They deserve to know what they signing up for it.

They deserve to know how to freak this system because the system is going.

Definitely they freak you now um.

I said I did some homework and we’re gon na move into uh.

What these belts and bodies mean? Okay, so um, you know it’s not really out there and people don’t know all they know.

Is Fighters have belts right so um, the the for my first question or the first question.

I’M answer is: how long can a fighter or boxer uh hold a belt without fighting right? So we, like, I said these sanctioning bodies.

Once you get the belt right, you do get about you get a six month window to celebrate and to feel good about it or whatever, but after that, after that window at least they give you um, they give you six months at the most okay, you got Ta start working that belt.

You got ta start working that thing.

Okay, so um the champion.

Uh generally should aim to defend the title either mandatory or voluntary, so mandatory, meaning you won’t fight the next person up under you.

The number one Contender the Challenger: either you fight that person voluntarily um or mandatory right and a lot of the times they have some leeways, so they’ll defend, but they won’t fight.

They’Re, mandatory uh they’ll fight a voluntary which is somebody down lower and the wrong to say yeah I did it.

I thought I gave him a title shot, but it wasn’t no killer right, but sometimes sometimes right.

You got a shark waiting down there in the in the lower rungs of the ladder and they give that person a uh, a shot right and I always say everyone’s got a Fighter’s chance, okay and they may mess around and win, and now they have the opportunity To take that belt and pay them people their money for the sanction of bees um, but most of the time, if you’re defending that belt.

Okay, your promoter and you and you, or both either or they’re, paying that sanctioning body their money.

So you can hold that belt.

Okay, so every time that there’s a defense, voluntary or mandatory somebody paying them at least four figures: okay, especially in women’s boxing, so they they get.

They they’re getting they five thousand dollars, at least at the very least, okay um, and it would be something like three times per year for the best, so that sanctioning body knows that that belt is gon na make them at least fifteen thousand dollars a year.

At least right um, and then you know that’s a little over a thousand dollars a month.

Yeah you pay in rent right you paying them people they money to possess or to hold on to that title that belt okay.

So it’s not because you’re! The best is because you’re paying your money now.

If somebody comes to that sanctioning body a mandatory or someone who can pull strings and become a mandatory overnight, especially in women’s boxing, because no one’s checking receipts, someone can say, listen you’re in how much money you get per year off this bill, how much she paying She paying 15 000 per year.

Listen, I pay you thirty thousand dollars per year.

If you give my girl, the belt I’ll, have to listen um.

She she may not she’s, not gon na win, but you know we can.

We can make it so the judges score.

It you know we’ll put on the fight you got all you got.

Ta do is say that she’s mandatory that has to fight my girl, okay, I’ll, promote it I’ll pay for the judges, I’ll pay for everything, and if the judges is getting paid by the promoter, if the ref is getting paid by the promoter, you think the promoter’s Girl is gon na, lose the business.

I’M explaining that to you.

They gon na come get me just know that I explained it and if anything happened to Sugar, they did it um so yeah.

This is the business I’m breaking down to you guys all right.

So it’s not who’s the best.

It’S not asses and seats, it’s how they want to get their money and who gon na make sure they get the most money for holding on to that belt.

Okay, now um, you know uh.

If it’s three times per year, then it’s going to be at least every four months.

So you know, especially in women’s boxing who’s fighting four times per year.

Who’S fighting four times per year in women’s boxing, come on guys drop, something in my chat or whatever cause.

Y’All got some answers and some facts.

You can’t tell me because ain’t nobody fighting that much.

So how are they making? How are they generating that much pay-per-view? How are they generating that many endorsements? How are they generating and selling that many seeds? What are they doing? They’Re, not even doing anything outside of boxing that would generate that type of money, so something someone’s I mean some getting washed.

You see what I’m saying these numbers, it has to be realistic.

They’Re gon na have to bring it back to how it was just a little bit before right, because women’s boxing is not a million dollar industry realistically right now, right, it’s not and the fact that they’re inflating the numbers is will also be the demise of women’s Boxing, because when people start to realize you know what they’re getting you know, what, when these Divas, when these little, when these little wet nose bras come in thinking that they’re gon na make some money they’re gon na make at least this amount of money, not realizing That there’s only one seat, and sometimes in with that, these sanctioning bodies now they’re not allowing the other contenders to even have an opportunity to to gain their belt because they’re, looking at these other contenders that you not you can’t bring in the the money.

Why am I going to give an opportunity to you? I need I need broads that can pay me my money per year, every every every four months, I.

E, mccaskill! That’S why mccaskill was able to take all of the bad lady Cecilia braces belts, because she’s got some good money behind her right.

She made some good money behind her right.

There was nothing it was.

It was not that she was the best or better or whatever.

It is right and now they’re putting people in front of her that she’s supposed to beat, but you have not seen her fight any mandatory.

You have not seen her fight any high-end number.

One ranked contenders in that weight class: why? Why? Because she’s playing that game and she’s playing it cheap right and there’s no other contenders at 147, because 147 is not the hot weight class anymore.

It was when Breakers and and Sophie Mathis and um, all of them.

Girls, Mary Jo Sanders, uh Chevelle.

How about all of them brats was you know back in those times when sugar was fighting.

147 was the jam now because of Clarissa right, because Katie Taylor wasn’t fighting it wasn’t giving nobody no bras opportunities and there weren’t enough broads um that were that.

Can I say this there weren’t enough bras that were accomplished enough in that lightweight division to generate such a following, so Clarissa Shields Remains the cash cow.

You cannot be the cash cow.

I mean you cannot not be the cash cow.

If you got two Olympic gold medals, that’s in that’s an international platform.

Everybody in the world saw you do it.

You beat the best in everybody’s country, everybody knows who she is and because everybody knows who she is everybody going to put their hand in they pocket to see her either win or lose.

There’S nobody else that has that ability, no one else that had that uh that has that um appeal, not even your darling Katie Taylor.

Looking like a teenage soccer player, all right little boy right, she’s, not even you know, she’s, not even selling nothing.

She just always got that little greasy ponytail and that’s not making millions of dollars who the hell is going to pay a million dollars to see that hop around and play tag because she ain’t knocking nobody out.

Neither tell me who’s paying a million dollars for that who gon na pay a million dollars for that y’all hear the crickets okay, so they’ve chatted her as the best or the greatest, the best pound per pound female fighter.

The best female fighter makes the money and she ain’t making the money.

People in the USA are not compelled to watch the darling Katie Taylor because she don’t do nothing around here.

She don’t do nothing, she don’t show up she’s, not on any shows.

We are not connected with there’s no connection there.

No connection breaks my heart right, but Clarissa Shields.

Okay, right, she’s, she’s, connected we’re connected we’re connected with her struggle right over in other places, they’ve connected with Clarissa shields’s struggle.

Okay, she is the effervescent female Rocky, come from the hood of Detroit drinking that dirty water to be in the greatest two-time gold, medalist female fighter of this era.

That’S a story! That’S a million dollar story.

Look at Rocky! Look how many of them Rocky! How many Rockies did they make? I think five just off the strength of that story, because Rocky wasn’t even real Clarissa Shields is real right and, if she’s smart, she would make a a story line off of her little life right.

Just like Rocky, because her story is real, unlike Sylvester Stallone, who is in the Hall of Fame, and he never boxed around in his life funny ain’t it that’s some funny, [ __, ] anyway um, so belts have to be defended every six to nine months.

Okay, do you have to pay for the belts that you win they’re not prizes? No, you pay for those right.

You just pay us like you had a birthday party and you paid for the birthday cake.

The belt is the birthday cake.

That’S why I say I have many belts in my closet right.

Those bells are just as good as a broad belt that she bought.

You want to know why, because I can defend that [ __ ].

I can whoop ass and defend that [ __ ], just like she did right it doesn’t.

It doesn’t mean she’s better than me and just me she bought a belt um.

So these are called sanction and sanctions.

Uh, that’s my word today.

My tongue twists were sanctioning fees.

These are called sanctioning feasts.

Okay, um, that fee is your mortgage, you’ll you’ll you what you got to pay to hold on to that belt? Okay, um, and so there are four major sanctioning bodies which I will go over um later on right and we’re getting up there in the show and y’all know, sugar shows sugar show go, go a while they go for for a while um.

Okay, so, like I said, you’re looking at four figures, minimum to hold on to those belts – and you have to defend those belts in in the duration of time that each sanctioning body gives you right.

So you have to defend, or you have to pay them their money directly for holding them that belt.

Okay, a lot of these broads are paying that money directly because, like I said, I’m breaking down the I’m breaking down The rules now right, these belts must be defended at least three times a year.

Okay, who three to four times a year which female boxer? Do you see these big names too fighting three times three to four times a year? None of them they’re, not fighting, so guess what they’re doing they’re paying for the belts right, somebody in their team.

Some endorsement, or whatever is paying for them to hold on to that belt until they may, you know, get somebody together, one or one or maybe two times in the year, most likely just once in the year, for them to find somebody and not even a major Contender because a major Contender has to be paid to contend or to for that shot at the title, so they’re not even using contenders and they’re, not you they’re, not using mandatories they’re, using what tomato cans.

Why? Because you could pay a tomato can anything you can keep your money in your pocket because they got ta pay that sanctioning fee right, they’re, not paying they’re, not yeah, these broads they’re, not they.

They they’re not getting paid that big old amount of money that you think right and they don’t have enough money to pay a real Contender to defend that belt.

So, that’s why you see a lot of these mismatches and all of these Superstar tomato cans.

Right, uh, Boris, lava out of um Bulgaria.

She got damn near 100 fights.

What is she like, 90 and 10, now, 90, uh, sorry, 10 and 90.

10.

10.

Wins 90 losses right.

Why? Because they pay her anything she’s in Bulgaria.

I don’t know what the you know, I’m sure the exchange rate on on this, these monies that she’s receiving can give her.

You know, and I pay her a nice little um lump sum where she’s living in Bulgaria, oh women’s Boxing Channel times and hey okay, you came in a little late, but when you arrive it’s always on time, so I’m glad to see you um women’s Boxing Channel Says how to do this sugar? What we talking about well, what we talking about the uh topic of this, the title of the The Tonight Show is the belts and bodies and I’m I’m breaking down what it means to have these belts and what these sanctioning bodies are and what that means or How that is intertwined into the business of boxing, so you’re gon na have to go back into the show.

You know.

You’Re gon na have to watch the first part of the show to to get up to speed, okay, baby um women’s boxing, how to duty again.

Okay, so howdy did it.

That’S that uh Western you, you must be over there watching some westerns or you think you like them, Western uh, old, western Johns right how to duty, uh, Eddie Bennington, says: WBC.

You made it so uh women’s Boxing Channel, Eddie Barrington was looking forward to your presence tonight and uh Eddie.

Barrington is glad that you made it in okay, um women’s Boxing Channel says: hey Eddie.

Yes, I fell asleep watching a movie on my legal Amazon.

Fire stick setup.

Look what you made me tell on you don’t do that.

What movie was it you fell asleep on? It must not have been that good um, but I digress going into uh.

You know with these belts and body what you know getting some information from shove: okay, um, so um yeah, so you’re, looking at you know when these these broads that have these belts they’re paying at least four figures every quarter of the year to hold on to That belt, so that’s a mortgage, okay, um they uh does a fighter get a new built every time they fight, I think either they, I don’t think um unless it’s outside of their weight, Division and or you know, outside of what they already possess.

I do not think that they keep buying over and over the belt.

Okay um women’s Boxing Channel, say: hey Mike best show on the net, wait a minute women’s Boxing Channel.

What’S the best show on the net, please say it: what’s the best show on the net, um Eddie, better to say sugar is so so now you showed up.

Thank you guys, yeah.

I love it.

Listen.

It means a lot.

It does.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, um women’s Boxing Channel says the sugar show [ Music ].

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

I appreciate I really do I do y’all Michael or Champion chimes in Champions maintain permanent possession of these belts even upon losing their title with a new belt made when a new Champion is absolutely your damn skill s and dollars per quarter, at least on this belt, And you think I’m gon na give it to that broad.

You got me [ __, ] up nah, that’s my belt, Michael or Johnson.

Stop fishing for it, sugar.

You know it’s your show.

Listen! I always say it.

It’S like y’all, don’t believe it.

I look foreplay to me, nice [, Laughter, ], I mean come on now.

Give me some sugar too.

Give me what I want: um yeah, so these belts they’re literally buying the belts.

Okay and these belts are elaborate.

Okay, um! These belts are genuine leather.

Okay, you see the gold on it, okay and we want to go through the belts, but they have gold and jewels.

It’S it’s.

It’S litter, it’s literally gold and jewels and leather and um authentic sheep.

You know the Sheep um um, goodness.

What do you call it? It’S not fur.

Sheep have hair, but you know it’s like that.

Okay, um belts are glorious.

Okay, uh, I just didn’t see the value in them just be.

I don’t need to buy your belt for me to know that I’m a champion and feel like a champion.

I I didn’t need to incorporate that.

But now it’s a part of the business women’s Boxing Channel says love the Elizabethan belt that will be awarded to the winner of shields versus Marshall.

Can you do a picture of it Mike um, Eddie Barrington says it’s called regalia? Yes, so the regalia is the belts yeah, I mean, of course you know like it.

You know we we are, we are they they’re? They are recognizing women’s boxing now, so we need the regardia, but it ain’t.

I just I’m sorry and they’re.

They’Re still they’re still hoeing us and where they’re expecting us to pay these big prices for their sanctioning titles for their belts and we’re not making that much money to do that, you know so it’s like they they’re playing with us.