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EPISODE: Episode 1
Join me on this captivating episode of “No Punches Pulled With No Mercy” as I Brooke Dierdorff-Millbrook delves deep into the inspiring life and career of Chevelle “Fists of Steel” Hallback, one of the most celebrated female boxers globally. From her unexpected 2nd fight ever against a Lucia Rijker kickboxing legend to her relentless pursuit of greatness, learn how Chevelle’s determination and strategic prowess shaped her path in the world of boxing. Discover the untold stories behind her legendary matches, her unique fighting style, and the power of music in her training routine. Get ready for an exclusive live interview that unveils the remarkable journey of a boxing icon. Tune in to Talkin Fight channel for an unforgettable episode that brings you the highs and lows of Chevelle Hallback’s incredible legacy.
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How is everybody doing tonight? Uh? My name is no mercy.
Of course.
It’S Tuesday nights.
You already know what time it is.
It’S time for no punches pulled with me, no mercy.
Those of you that know who I am.
I appreciate you for being here uh.
My name is Brooke Millbrook, Formerly Known in the fight business as Brooke no mercy deardorff um, I am a retired professional boxer held the WBC lightweight title until I retired and was inducted into the international women’s Boxing Hall of Fame.
Last year, I have been through some good some bad and, of course, a whole lot of BS in the sport of women’s boxing.
Y’All know how it is, but welcome to my platform.
This is where we talk the talk and, of course, we walk the walk.
We’Re gon na bring out the truth in women’s boxing we’re going to talk to pioneers of the sport past boxers current boxers and, of course, future female boxers.
We get down and dirty here and speak the truth of what takes place behind the scenes, things that no one knows about.
You definitely don’t want to miss a single show.
So please make sure that you like subscribe and you’re sharing out the episodes.
So you don’t miss us live here every Tuesday night, but today we are joined by another boxing icon and legend in the sport of women’s boxing.
I’M all honored to call her a close friend and I consider her family, I’m so excited to sit down and talk about her Immaculate legendary career.
With all of you, uh we’ve got my girl, Chevelle fist of Steel Hall back in the house.
She began her boxing journey in 1997 with no amateur or fighting experience, diving right into the pros, and only her second Pro fight with only 47 seconds of experience from her first fights she faced unknowingly beforehand, one of the biggest fiercest dangerous names in the sport of Women’S boxing at the time, Lucia Reichert, but only three fights later.
She won the wibf featherweight World title via TKO, over Bonnie Canino and in 2002 she won a unanimous decision over number four ranked featherweight to add the IBA women’s Junior lightweight title the same year.
She won a 10 round decision over the number two ranked featherweight Layla McCarter in 05 in Tokyo, Japan.
She won the wiba super featherweight Title by unanimous decision over the local favorite Amico rakia and an 08 in Albuquerque New Mexico in a Pay-Per-View co-main event.
She defeated previously unbeaten Janine Garside for the ifba lightweight World title and the history’s first ever wban championship belt.
She was also awarded W band fighter of the month in June 2008.
For that win, she has literally been in the ring with some of the best names in the sport of women’s boxing.
Let’S name a few: you got Lucia Riker, Bonnie Canino, twice: Laura Serrano Alicia Ashley, Layla, McCarter, twice Melissa Del Val, twice Mary, Jo Sanders; Holly Holmes; fujin rakia, Terry Blair, Melissa, Hernandez, Janine, Garside, Cecilia brikis, and Miriam Lamar, but y’all at the age of 51.
My girl Chevy still out there schooling, these Young Bucks, she’s, no doubt no doubtedly, one of the greatest women of all time, she’s an idol to myself and so many other females out there.
So please help me welcome Chevelle to the show what’s up champ, what’s going on? What’S going on, I’m just smiling you saying all these things, I’m like wow.
I was like dang.
So when I fought these cats like they would like ranky the one number two or the favorite I’m like wow, I didn’t really really realize that you know what I’m saying yeah or until you just said it I’m like wow.
So I really been doing it big huh just a little bit.
Oh man, that’s awesome! Yes, Man.
Definitely um we’ll definitely go down.
You already know one of the best ever ever to live in women’s boxing yeah um.
But first, why don’t you take us back to the beginning, tell us a little bit about your childhood and what actually LED you to want to do boxing man.
Let’S see, okay, what year Rocky came out Rocky won.
I think I’m like 1970.
74, four or five somewhere in there.
Let’S say 75, let’s say 75.
, it was 75.
I was.
I had already turned five.
I turned five, but I think the rocky came out like in October November December, one of those so I had I just had just turned five and my mother took me to see Rock right, my mother she’s, very, very animated um.
I remember in the movie, when Rocky’s getting beat up uh by Apollo Creed, my mother, in the middle of this movie theater she stood up and she started screaming at Rocky hit.
Him back hit him back, hit him back right, and so I’m looking at her and I’m like like yeah and that excitement it just really intrigued me yeah.
So two years after that, I’m watching uh, Muhammad Ali and Spinks, it’s a long story behind it.
Try to make it look short supposed to be in bed um, but my mother is in the bedroom with my father and I heard her scream hit him back hit him back, so I jumped out of bed because you know this is familiar to me right.
Okay, so I run and I jump and I’m looking in my mother bedroom and on the this, tells you how old I am, but I’m out of Shame of it.
You know on the floor on the floor was a floor model TV yeah and it was Illuminati and sphinx their second fight, okay, and I remember standing there and I’m bobbing and weaving you know and just punching in the air and I’m like man.
I wish I could do that like that was so exciting to me, like I wanted to do that yeah, but of course I didn’t know, I don’t think anyone knew or heard of women boxing at that time right with the bed.
Okay years later, I think I started training in 1995.
um, I think uh.
What’S his name, Tyson Tyson was fighting right.
Yeah we did a Tyson card was um Deidre Goddard and Christy, Martin yeah, and so I’m at a house party, because you know back then everybody through the Tyson fight parties right.
So I’m at a fight party and they come on.
I’M like what the what and everybody’s like looking at me like what’s wrong, I’m like do you see what I see? Do you see what’s on TV like there’s two females fighting like oh, my God like, and it brought me back to when I said I wish.
I can do that right right and I think at the time I think I was 24, if I’m not mistaken, so that was a Saturday that next Monday I went to the gym I walked in and I’m looking around, I’m like yeah only female, but I’m like Yeah so the trainer came and he was like gon na help.
You make a long story short, I’m like yeah.
I want a box, you know and he took me through it.
He tried to discourage me, and I was like I want a box still want a box seems like you still want to do this and I’m like I do.
I will and one day I’ll become a world champion.
Yeah and the rest is history.
You know yeah yeah, but um, so I’m sure like most of most females, starting out being the only female in the gym.
Did he put you in there and try to he? He puts you in there with some good writers, inning and try to have them.
Beat your ass to make you quit! Listen! Okay, so I was trying to make that long story short, but since you want to pull it out of me, okay, so I’m in the gym, he put me on the bag right and I’m hitting this bag.
I think for like two three weeks: I’m hitting the bag just hitting the bag, he’s not paying me any mind, um, just one two, one, two just hitting the bag hitting the bag, and so I’m looking around – and I see you know in the corner there – a Big old ring, we got two guys spawning, they beat the crap at each other right and I’m like hey, hey, come! Let me holla at you.
He was like what’s up and I’m like listen uh.
What I’m gon na do more and he’s like.
What do you want to do? I said I want to do what they’re doing, and I point it to the guys you know spawn yeah.
He said you want to do that.
I said yes, I want to do what they’re doing.
This is what I came for.
You know right, and you know I being the oldest out of all my cousins right.
I was the protector, so I know how to street fight.
You know what I’m saying and most of the time when I got into a fight it wasn’t with females.
It was with God, so you know.
We all know that street fighting boxing is totally different, but at the time I didn’t think so right you had something.
You know what I’m saying, I’m beating guys, but in the streets, so I mean: what’s what’s the ring right? So I told myself I want to do what those guys are doing, so he told me the the equipment, the gear that I needed to spawn right.
Okay Boom come next week, we’re gon na spot, so I get in there and put this guy in there with me um just you know just doing what I do, what I know how to do and the guy you know he’s making me miss and he went Down and said Bim in my body and I went down, I got back up by this time.
Everyone in the gym has stopped.
No, I don’t understand they stopped and circled the ring.
I don’t understand why a male will get so much thrilled.
I see in another male beat on a woman right.
I don’t get that part.
Everyone stop they’re around the ring, they’re looking right.
So I get up.
I jump right up and I I go right at it.
Go RAD at it.
Make me miss again and boom to the body again and I went down, but I jump right back up.
Man, listen! Let’S! Let’S get it right this time, I’m going at here, I’m trying to kill him right and I’m on it right.
I drop.
I jump back up by this time.
She said, that’s enough, that’s it! That’S it! That’S that’s enough right! So everybody around the ring, looking there chuckling, you know and everything I’m like okay, so I go in the bathroom.
Of course you know not so much.
I was hurt, but my pride was hurt.
Yeah right, I was embarrassed, everybody looking and laughing or whatever the case may be.
So you know I shared a couple of Tears.
I sat there then I thought about it and I got myself together.
I went to the sink I washed my face, make sure my eyes wasn’t red waiting a little minute and I went back out.
I went up to the train, I said okay, so what what time I need to be back tomorrow.
He was like what I said.
What time do I need to be back tomorrow when he was like? So you really think you want to do this and I was like nah.
I don’t think I want to do it.
I know I want to do it.
I am going to do it and not only am I going to be a fighter, but I’m going to be a world champion one day, yeah right so not having any amateur background.
I went to the amateur shows, but there was no one there ever to fight me.
Like I said boxing is fairly new, so after a year I think a year and a half a Terra Pro after I made that statement.
I think a year, almost only like two years after I made that statement, I fought for my first title.
10 Rounds was against Bonnie Camino and I became a world yeah.
You did that the rest is it.
Did that yo Michelle? What’S up, I see you thanks for joining us um.
Well, so yes, no amateurs! It was hard to get amateur fights period for all of us back then which thus I had an amateur career but 15 fights.
I mean I wouldn’t really call that much of an amateur career I mean it is what it is um, but take us back to the moment when you first found out that night before you were to fly out for your second bite against Lucille Riker unknowingly found Out you were who your opponent was on HBO.
Take us back to that moment.
What were you thinking? Why did you continue with the fight and how did you not know who you were fighting? Let me guess you didn’t have to sign a contract back then right.
Okay, so let me tell you you mentioned it earlier when you introduced me my first fight 47 seconds they have.
I didn’t, have any amateur background.
So my first fight, I fought someone.
She was about like three inches taller than I was um.
She was a beast because she was a bodybuilder um and so in the dressing room getting ready for that fight.
You know you, warming up and everything right, so her dressing room right beside now me.
I am so nervous like even to this day I am so nervous before a fight back in the dressing room like I don’t want to warm up like.
I just want to listen to some music, but of course we know we have to warm up right.
So I’m hitting the past a little bit.
You know going through the motion on her end she’s hitting the past, and this sounding like I’m going on Rockets.
It sounded like so anyways now you’re, like [ __ ], your pants, not just nervous you’re like what the [ __ ].
What’S up so my trainer.
No, let me go back a little bit now I had to weigh in.
I think the fight was for a hundred and 135 pounds by the way 140 by the way, or no did you start out heavier and then go back down to featherweight.
No, I was I no.
No, no! I when I my first fight.
What was I no, that was we talking about our first flight um? No, I actually so I’m gon na tell you.
Let me tell you so I think the contract was, I think, 141 140 130.
I can’t remember, but anyways coach was like.
I think it was 140.
coach was like you’re, not gon na make make this weight right, we’re not in the contract.
I was much lighter.
You know what I’m saying than what the contract, but I’m like man, I didn’t train for a year and a half I’m we’re fighting today, we’ll make it happen right.
So she weighed in first.
I think the fight was at 140, 140 140 anyway.
She weighed in first right and she took all her clothes off, except for bra and underwear.
You know and she stepped on the scale and she was 150 right and so coaches, like they’re, not gon na.
Let you fight right – and this was I think it was like in February – if I’m not mistaken in Miami, so it was a little chill.
So I had no sweatpants and whatnot.
So I went up to the commission.
I said: hey, I’m looking at everyone around me.
They’Re taking their clothes off when they’re wearing in I’ve never seen anybody weigh in with their clothes on.
So I went to the went to the uh commissioner and I said hey I said: can I weigh in with my clothes on right and so he was like sure.
You didn’t see any reason why I you know I didn’t I didn’t have to I mean he didn’t even see a reason.
Why not right so we weighed in at a gym.
So I’m looking around right – and I see you know the little weights like the little five pound weights whatnot.
So I put it in my pocket, you know and everything weighed in and it came 147 that’s what that the weight is 147.
.
So, like 147 on the dot right, I really weighed at a time 135 accounts.
So I came in 147 on the dot, so she came to 150 over.
So the the commissioner asked me what I wanted to do.
I should be fighting yeah yeah right right so that that’s the first thing so then the second thing going back in the dressing room, she’s, warming up, I’m warming up and she sound like she’s bombs going off right and so my trainer he was like.
Oh, my god, listen if she hit you one good time, just go down on your knee and just stay there.
No, it did not tell you yes, yes and I’m like.
Are we serious right now like? Are we really serious right now, my training? No, this! I just ain’t training with a Lucille Riker.
That’S Lucille record, okay, okay! So I’m like oh my gosh, my trainer told me it is no! My mother didn’t raise.
No punk put it that way.
You know uh.
So there was no fear in my blood, but I was nervous Okay, so I’m thinking, oh man, I just got to just jump on this girl, so it was the real ring right first round, ding ding and as soon as that Bell said, ding ding.
I went at her and only thing I knew at the time was a one two one two and I went to her one two, one, two Bob and we’ve come back up one two, one two Ben she was out of here.
You probably get a chance to throw a punch, listen, listen.
The girl said the girl said when I hit so hard that I could not been a female.
I’M sorry.
I promise you.
I promise.
You said she hit too hard to be a female.
That is not a female.
She hit too hard to be a female.
Do you know, and God blessing her soul.
Shelly Williams she’s gone now.
She died of cancer, but we became like this.
She was like with the commissioner and she was like: listen got ta.
Take it to the bathroom – and I was like take me to the bathroom foreign – take me to the bathroom.
Why are we going to the bathroom right? So the doctor, you know you have to get examined every time.
You know before a fight, so the doctor come rushing over.
He was like, what’s the problem what’s going on, and so she was like well she’s questioning her sex, and so I got.
Are you serious? That’S an insult to my musician.
That’S a female! You can look at her job as a female.
What are you talking about? What are you doing here? Shelly was like I’m sorry, but she’s questioning it.
So I have to, I said: hey.
It is what it is right.
Okay, I really didn’t care.
I didn’t care matter of fact.
It made me feel so good like I had right, I had so hard.
She thought I was a dude like what like that made me feel good.
I mean I might sound crazy, I’m like okay, so anyways we go to the bathroom right and I took out my sports bra and I’m like and she’s like like.
Oh, that’s right, so you want me to take it all along or she was like, and so I’m like and I took it and she was like Hey yep.
Oh my God, oh well, yeah yeah.
I don’t think I have ever heard.
Is that how you got the nickname? That is, I promise you that is, it’s coach gave me the name still he started calling me this first.
I call me Fizz first, you start to call me fists right and then, after that he was like sister still that’s what I got it from.
Oh, my God.
That’S awesome! That’S awesome! Yeah yeah! So so going back to Lucille, racket fight, so just won.
My first fight 46 seconds, uh man – I thought I was on top of the world.
I just bought this big old Amazon to me.
You know, I don’t think I could be nobody.
Okay, I don’t know what you’re talking about you know what I’m saying like for real for real right, so me got the big head and not going to the gym like I was supposed to not doing a whole word, like I supposed to coach came to me, Said hey.
This was like two weeks before the fight.
Hey Jim.
We got got ta, uh, Hey fish.
We got ta, I got ta fight for you like yeah.
He was like nah.
My first fight was four rounds.
I got four hundred dollars right.
Okay, so he came to me he was like got ta fight for you and I think at the time she only had I think in boxing over 100 fights in kickboxing, but that doesn’t transfer over to a boxing that doesn’t transfer your boxing record.
So I think box, I think we fought.
I think she only had three fights.
If I’m not mistaken, I could be wrong but anyways, he said: hey, um fight got a fight for you and they’re gon na pay.
You he told me five thousand dollars which it was really really much more, but I found out later what happened with that, but anyways.
He told me five thousand dollars now.
Four hundred to five thousand is a big job.
Danny told me it was going to be on national TV from the gymnasium.
A local gymnasium to National TV was a big thing to me right.
So I’m like: let’s do it right? Let’S, let’s do it right, let’s go so for two weeks I trained.
I came for two weeks.
You know so tonight what the opponent was.
Okay, okay, I can’t say that he did, but let me so.
He told me that the fighter was Lucille Riker, I’m like okay, Lucille rifle, I didn’t know who she was.
I didn’t follow boxing.
Only thing I I started studying boxing after this fight and I’ll mostly study Gods like Roy Jones, Jr people.
That was like the style of fighting that I liked right.
So I really didn’t follow the box and I didn’t know you know like.
I said why female boxing was fairly new, yeah didn’t know so, anyway.
Okay, it’s over her record our lives.
Okay, so the night before we was before us to fly out to Texas how the fight was in Texas – and it was a top ranked um top ranking positions, I’m in bed and I’m chilling and HBO special came on and especially was about Christy Martin and Lucille Riker right, but they were mainly talking about Lucille, Riker, she’s, new up and coming, and that was the fight that they was trying to.
You know for pretty hard and them to the fight right.
So I’m looking at this and they’re showing clips of Lucille Riker she’s a beast and she’s knocking everybody out.
I mean she’s, dropping them clean like it ain’t, nothing! I’M like wait a minute.
Now, I’m a realistic, I believe in my abilities.
I know what I can do, but I’m honest so I’m looking at this and I’m like wait.
Oh I’m not ready for this type of caliber of fire like right, so I get on the phone, a call Coach, I said coach.
So what what? What are you doing and he said well, what’s up friends, what’s up, I said, turn HBO.
He was like what was, I said, turn HBO, so you turn HBO, I said is that the girl that I’m fighting he got quiet for about like a split 30 seconds.
He was like, oh this, but but you scared, you scared fast.
You just you’re, just not just you’re scared of his.
I can’t believe you’re calling me.
What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say? I’M like codes, my God, I’m not ready for this girl like so you scared.
So you know right same coach that told you to take a knee after the girl hits you right right exactly, but that’s the after.
He saw that not this big girl.
I saw you are you feeling the same way like you cannot write about that right? Well, you know when you at that time, you know somebody tell you scared.
Oh yeah, I’m crazy scared, crazy.
I ain’t scared.
You understand me, so I thought about it.
Now the contract came, but it came through a fax and I had signed a contract knowing a little bit about contracts.
Your word is your bomb, so I’m thinking man, if I say no, I’m not fighting, then I probably would never ever be able to get a fight again, because I don’t sign right.
It’S like a day away.
That was my mindset right, so I went and the whole time I’m like I’m just gon na go at her go out.
This girl, like I did the first fighter and just give it all.
I got it.
That’S gon na be right right.
So at the weigh-in she looking at me like really like who is this another? You know another tomato can type thing looking at me like that right and I kind of got into the way she looking at me because I’m like how you doing what’s up, is she looking at me like you know I was like okay, that’s disrespectful, don’t distract Me, like that, you know so fight time came and boom first round and I jumped on it.
I mean I jumped on him like I had the loss like she hadn’t sold, something from like she.
Hadn’T talked about my mom or something I jumped on and you won the first one I beat her.
I beat her the first one second round.
I did the same thing I jumped over.
I beat her the second one after the second round.
When I tell you I was dancing, I was gassed, I was done, but my pride, my pride third round came and then then it was a draw.
Now her trainer was Freddie Roach and when I saw it, it took me a little time to go back and watch the film, but I watched the film he’s telling her stay away from her she’s too strong in the inside her face.
Looking like.
Oh, my God, I’m about to lose my first fight type, look right! So fourth round comes out and I’m I’m like right now.
I’M like I can barely like lift my arms type thing and fourth round came and I’m barely and she’s picking me up right.
I’M sitting tired and you know you can be tired, but when you see that you get the best of someone, it’s like energy come from right.
Nowhere right, you understand me, so she started picking me up.
I go now that the fight was scheduled for six rounds.
Now, who do you know when they sacrifice right right, another thing and if she only had three fights she easily could have did another four rounder.
So fourth round, I’m like go back to the corner.
I did not want to come back out because not because she was beating me not because she was hurting me, I was tired, like I had nothing left like it’s like, where you can’t even barely get a breath out, let alone get up off the damn stool, Because you just done dun dun dun, but I’m not quitting, I’m not quitting.
You know what I’m saying so got up started fight boom boom boom.
She had me up against the ropes right, I’m like this and I’m she swung when she swung.
I went back the punch like here, it didn’t hit here.
It went here and after they went here, I just fell over Bang, she didn’t the punch, didn’t land, but out of pure exhaustion.
I just fell over and I’m like I’ll fall over and the referee looks right and I’m looking at him.
He looking at me and I’m looking at him.
He started counting he’s like, and so I got up or whatever the case I mean she I mean when I tell you she was jumping up in that ring like she had won a million dollars like she had won a million dollars.
So after the fight, you know, of course my pride hurt.
You know I’m thinking about it’s on national TV, everybody watching my whole family, everything it was like.
It was crazy, but on the way to the airport right – and she had saw me – we were going.
You know was at the airport she saw me, she was getting ready to go to her gate, I’m going to my gate and she stopped me.
She said.
Can I you know her English at that time was that well, when she stopped me, she said: can I talk to you so you’re like she said, you’re gon na be good.
She said you gave me my hardest fight ER, because she fought a man right and kickboxing.
She told me I gave her her hardest fight outside of her fighting a man.
She told me that she really that I really had a word that she that she thought I was gon na win that fight until you know the fifth round came and she said you’re gon na be so good when you really learn how to fight now mind You I still only knew that one too and then everything else that came.
It was just instant right and I was like you know.
Thank you.
I appreciate that and also give you a little bit more.
She retired, and I was there when she retired and she said her speech and she turned to me and she looked at me and she said in Chevelle Hall like I want to thank you.
She said.
Not only did you give me my toughest fight, she said, but Clint Eastwood saw our fights and that’s when he made a Million Dollar Baby.
So why didn’t? He have you in the movie too right and I was like so where’s.
My money, like you know, but of course I didn’t use my image.
They didn’t use my name so whatever, but she told me that I was like what they could have, what they could have put you in the movie.
She was in it come on now right exactly exactly, but that’s that’s what happened with with that particular fighting.
You know it really took it.
It taught me a lesson, the lesson that it taught me.
You know not saying that if I was that I would have won the fight, but it taught me to never slack up on my training because of a victory right, don’t get the yeah.
You understand me, don’t don’t never get the big head.
Don’T never think that you have it all that there’s somebody out there, that’s not for you.
That might not have your number.
I really believe that if I was in shape, if I was training like I did for my first fight – that that fight would have been a it would have been a totally different fight.
It would have been told yeah I’m congratulations.
In rematch.
I asked him that that day when she was telling me at the airport – and I said you know I want to rematch and she told me she said I would never give you a rematch, because she knew that once you got better, you could beat her.
He told me I would never give you a reason, and I mean you know I respect her.
For that.
You understand me.
I respect her for that um, but yet it taught me a taught me last night I was depressed for about like a good two weeks.
I couldn’t eat, I dropped weight like crazy, but it made me learn the business aspect aspect of boxing.
It taught me a lot about myself.
You know what I’m saying.
Like my family members, a lot of people was telling me you should quit.
You know just just stop this this that, but it showed I showed myself how strong a person – I really am.
You know what I’m saying: I’m not feeling allow this stop my vision to stop my dreams, and I took that fight.
Took that lesson and I started studying and that’s when my started developing my own style watching Roy Jones Jr really was the mainly the only fighter to be honest with you, then I started watching Sugar Ray Robinson.
Then I started watching Sweet Pea, those type of guys, those type of styles, and I mean from that fight to my next fight, totally different fighter, totally different fighter.
So, in a way you know, like I said, I hate that it happened, but in a way it was a good thing that it did happen.
Well, yeah, I mean it gave you that grit and determination to keep coming but to actually hone in on your skills and learn the whole business and to do it to be able to do it the right way.
Next time and we know what to look out for and it and it really it made you who you are yeah you are today had that not happened, so he would tell me he said um when I had him last week he was like um.
We were talking about the Olympics when he got screwed over at the Olympics, winning the goal, and he said you know he’s glad that that happened, but now, like looking back because he said had that not happened, I don’t know if I would have became the fighter That I am today and that I would have been on the same path because it kind of humbled him and it just made.
You know it made him work harder to prove to everybody.
So you know you just take it as a lesson.
Uh, let’s see we got Collins um.
What is the difference between Cecilia brakis, Melissa, Hernandez and Belinda laracuente? Those are three totally different Fighters totally different Fighters.
Oh, let’s see, let’s start with Cecilia Cecilia, we we started fighting.
She came at me right, but as soon as she felt my power, she started running the whole night um it was.
It was a good fight between me and me and Cecilia um.
I touched her a lot like when I mean touched her.
I mean I, I hit her a lot.
You know what I’m saying after the fight, I’m looking like this.
You know and she was looking like she had just been in a fight.
Well, a very, very sweet young lady um always wanted to fight her again.
Never got the opportunity um used to go back and forth.
You know about that because she was like we can do it again, but it never happened, but it’s okay, um, Melissa, Hernandez.
That’S that’s my girl.
Now that fight between me and her – and we talked about many times – we’ve talked about this many times.
Man listen, oh my God that was the most fun entertainment fight because remember, listen! We both have the same similar styles, um, she’s, she’s, so slick.
You know um she’s a counter puncher, I’m a counter puncher her defense.
You know my defense, The Way She Moves.
It was a fun fun fight and you know when we fought that fight.
We was really really good friends, really really good friends and in the beginning you know she was kind of Lieutenant.
You know and I’m telling her listen.
You know, I guess yeah.
Listen.
Let’S give these people a show like fight fight.
You know I’m saying: let’s fight we fought and then once oh, oh, you went away.
Where did you go? Okay, you fought, I mean we fought what happened and when we fought man we yeah.
We, we gave the crowd uh, you did a show.
No Belinda.
Remember Linda as well: um really really good friends when we fought you know, and it was like.
I don’t know it’s like I’ve, seen Melinda fight before my fight.
She fought Christy Martin, a lot of people think that she won that fight with Christy Martin, and I think that when she fought Crystal Martin, she lost that really did something yeah.
I agree.
You know what I’m saying mentally.
So I got that Melissa.
You know what I’m saying and it was almost like, like we were sparring, you understand it was like and, like I said, my friend um, you know I didn’t want to go in there and just just ah all out.
You know what I’m saying, but at the same time I did, I think I did my job did enough.
Well, you know make sure I didn’t win, but I think that if I would have followed the Melinda that fought to Christy Martin, I think that would have been a total, totally yeah a way more competitive for sure yes way more for sure, um yeah women’s Boxing Channel, what’s up, I haven’t seen you in a minute: how have you been to howdy Duty duties? What’S going on women, hey again, Chevy hope you’re doing? Well? Yes, um! You won your first world title 25, oh 25 and a half years ago.
Actually wow! That’S! What’S up, and I still look the same, look you do actually you do.
Look the same.
To be honest, you really do I thank God.
I thank God.
I do.
I really do um.
Nobody would be able to guess your age if they didn’t actually know um.
True, he said: have you been? Had you been with today’s match? Unboxing stable you’d have been Undisputed without a doubt, you’d have been given the best opportunities and they’d have pulled out all the stops.
Yeah.
True that facts, facts, facts and you know, and I mean a lot of people, they say man, you crazy what you got, what you have to prove you know at your age and you really have anything left and you know I get all these things and I Tell people age does not.
I lost your sound, I don’t know if it’s just me or if it’s you, can you hear me yeah Eric? Can you guys or can you guys hear me, let me know in the chats or hear her.
I can’t hear you, but they maybe can Eric.
Can you hear her? Let me know she cut out.
Okay, um, do you want to do a refresh? You can’t hear okay, I’m gon na have her reset.
Can you guys hear me refresh both of us cheese Frozen? You can hear me perfect, okay, cool.
I did a refresh too, but then I lost all my chat.
So I don’t know what questions you guys were asking now hold on I’ll text, her um to do a reset, [, Music ].
Yes, thank you for sending me those Eric you’re right on top of things.
As soon as she comes back in we’ll get those hold on I’m trying to come back in all right.
Chevy, I’m holding on everybody, said they’re waiting, she’s coming back guys hold on okay cool while she’s gone just to let you know, champ is coming back.
Yes, she is coming back she’s trying to uh reset Tada come back.
So what were we talking about? Um? Oh yeah, so you know they they.
You know people always say well, um, you’ve done it all.
You have nothing else to prove this, this that or whatever the case would be and, like I said I tell it in everyone, age does not define me um.
Yes, I am older matter of fact, you say yeah as a matter of fact September 3rd of this year, I’ll be 52 years old, but as you can see just how I’m looking that’s how I feel you understand me, um and – and I think that if you Still can do it, why not there’s so much still left in me right and when I started we, I didn’t, have the opportunity to fight for the WBC matter of fact.
Christy Martin got a WBC, but she never fought for the WBC right four times she was given an honorary belt and then from there she fought for the WBC.
So we didn’t have the WBC, the WBO, the WEA.
We didn’t have all those things when I started right.
We have those things now and I’m like I want.
I went through a lot yeah.
You understand me.
I went through a whole lot.
I went through a lot without a promoter um.
I was blessed to have a promoter when I fought in Savannah for like a year and a half after that, it was just me had to stay ready.
You know um getting in contact with matchmakers befriend, the Matchmaker to say, Hey whenever there’s a spot.
Let me know: I’m ready, you know fighting other people’s hometowns yeah.
I went through a lot yeah, you know, and for peanuts you know.
Yes, I had a couple of good paydays, but for the most part for peanuts, yeah.
So now you got these these these.
Ladies.
They getting paid out there yeah, you know in the WBC or whatnot we can fight for those titles.
Still, I’m still capable, I’m still able to do it.
So why not right give me a little bit of that right.
You know, and that, like I said, 147 154, let’s do it yeah, let’s, let’s do it.
You know what I’m saying I’m here having retired and a lot of people would use my age as an excuse to not to fight me yeah.
I don’t do that.
They do um as a matter of fact, because we had talked about one person that you wanted to fight for a while um who’s, now in a little bit of trouble from uh what I’m seeing uh but Jessica mccaskill, and I asked on one of her Lives.
Why she wouldn’t fight you or which she fights you and her response was or her and Rick’s response was what for she’s like washed up she’s, Rich she’s old, like what would be the benefit for us but yeah? But yet some of those same Fighters will go out and get someone.
They know, that’s not on their level right.
They.
They know that it’s an easy win right.
You know they know that you know they was hand-picked because they’re gon na go in there and just go right through them.
Yeah they would.
They would fight one of those Fighters right, but what’s the use of fighting me because of my age? Oh I’m watching.
If I’m washed up, then then put me into retirement, send me to send for me right.
You could be the one to say you retired Chevelle hallback, exactly like, like I mean I that’s.
A good opportunity to me to me sounds like a good opportunity to me.
Be the one to say that they retired somebody come on.
I didn’t even know Jessica said that okay girl, I asked her why they wouldn’t fight you man.
I lost your sound again.
What is happening? Can you guys hear you got ta fix your signal girl Eric? What could it be? That’S making her sound go out.
She needs to refresh again.
You got ta refresh again girl, no clue what could be making it.
Do it just hit your refresh button, yeah she’s gon na refresh? Yes, yes, yes, yeah she’s going silent, she’s gone silent.
They can’t hear you are you on the computer yeah just hit the at the top um just hit your refresh button like on like on your internet bar there.
We go all right hold on y’all yeah, close all the extra apps.
Is that good? Yes, yes, yes, okay! Let me see.
Let me let me see.
Let me close everything.
Let me see all right everything’s closed now: okay, okay, but um yeah, so also Jessica, okay, Jessica, yeah, but she’s in trouble.
Now why what’s up you haven’t seen? Oh tell me what she said about um, what she said about matchroom I heard about that.
But she she tried to come back and say: oh she made it well, they made her make a public apology, but I don’t know if that’s the end of it.
Well, you know, I’m glad you told me that, because uh someone is my, I got a.
I got a business party Michelle.
She was on here, Michelle you still you still in here.
Is she still on listen, so she’s fighting in Orlando? I think yeah, that’s where she’s supposed to be fighting 21st against some girl named Sandy Brian, oh I’ll, be at that fight.
Well, I think you should make uh.
I think that you know it matter of fact.
What’S the [ __ ] date again, because I think I need to be at that fight too September the 23rd I’m gon na check my calendar.
Yes, please go with you.
If I can.
Yes, please please um, hey, and if you, if you come down you hey, you come stay with me, you got ta worry about no words there, all right, yeah till the 23rd in Orlando.
Oh, so I’m glad, oh man, I’m so glad you said yeah.
You need to get up there and you need to call her out.
Listen, listen, listen, listen! I I and I hope she wins.
I hope she wins.
I don’t know when his Boxing Channel women’s boxing channel is um.
A really big Sandy Ryan fan he’s from there.
She’S from there – oh really, I don’t know that she’ll beat Sandy Ryan.
To be honest, you know what honestly I I I’ve never seen Sandy fight.
I really don’t know too much about her or whatnot.
No, no! No! No! No disrespect but um.
Okay! All right! Well! Either way it should be even even if, even if, even if Sandy wins I’ll fight Jessica still just for the comments that she made yeah, that’s what I think you should.
I think you should um, let’s see hold on, did I miss any more questions.
Send me ticket links.
Michelle sent me ticket links as long as Lawrence Cole ain’t roughing Sandy will win.
Okay, gotcha got you um.
I think I think Master.
If I’m not mistaken, I know the the hotel is going to be at a hotel resort in Orlando.
Is it on the Zone it’s on the Zone but match room? Okay, yeah! I got ta try to make that one.
I just want to make that one.
It’S not that far of a drive.
I can do it or I could fly.
I just fly um.
I think I got all your questions if I didn’t.
Let me know if I missed a question but um back to you.
Your fighting style, though, is often described.
It’S definitely unique and definitely unconventional.
Yes um.
Can you elaborate on how you develop the style and how it contributes to your success because uh sparring only guys if you can’t get hit, you can’t get hurt right right, so Nate Campbell, you know Nate yeah.
Even it was a little even before Nate, but Nate Campbell helped a lot to contribute to this yeah um Nate me and Nate used to spar all the time matter.
Of fact, I was his like one of his main spawn Partners when he fought this one.
Russian guy – and he beat him Nate – would knock out his mother if his mother got in a ring with him, [, Music, ], amateur whatever.
If you get in a ring with him, it could be sparring, it could be.
We could be play fighting if you get in a ring with him.
Yeah he’s going to try to hurt you yeah his mentality is, do or die yeah the way he grew up.
You know what I’m saying so he would drop me all the time in spawn all the time and I got tired of that yeah.
So when I started studying, I started studying that’s why I said you know what you can’t hit me.
You can’t hurt me right and that’s how I developed my style.
I will practice counter punches move, move step, slide angles this that you know what I’m saying right and it helped a lot yeah.
It got to the point where he he has some some problems.
Trying to get to me yeah, he had some problems trying to hit you.
You know, and I just kept studying, studying, studying practice and practicing practicing to a point where sometimes I’ll be in the gym, and I would do something on the bag and my trainer will come over.
He would say something I say: well, that’s not how Roy does it? Well, that’s not how Roy does it you’re, not Roy Jones Jr.
Did you ever tell her? I said I had the pleasure of working with Roy for a little minute.
You know, and oh my God he is so knowledgeable yeah, so knowledgeable.
You know, and I learned a lot just for a little bit of time that I worked with him.
I learned so much yes, yeah yeah.
I can yeah.
I can see that he said he worked with several different females like try to train them and stuff yeah holiday Resort.
That’S that’s the on location.
The fight is going to be at in Orlando, yes in Orlando Florida, okay! Well, if the fight is still on, has anybody heard if it’s been? I mean I don’t know with what she said.
I don’t know if it affected the fight, we’ll see uh, they might want to pull her any hard punching prospects that can punch hard.
Like you uh, let me see I sparred with her matter of fact.
Uh.
Let’S see it was like, I want to say maybe three four three or four years ago she fought in Tampa and um.
I thought I think I like the co-main event and she was on the undercard and the next.
Following week we sparred when the GM and Saint Petersburg and we sparred and that girl can hit she she the truth for real.
She can hit um, let’s see outside of that as far with my girl and wolf, but I knew Ann to hit.
So I I I didn’t uh I didn’t stick around to allow her to hit me – is put it that way.
All right, I was gon na move.
I was on the move, but I know Ann can hit, let’s see who else uh, I’m trying to think who have.
I fought that can really hit like that.
Oh man, I can’t think of nobody else.
You know what, when I fought um, what’s her name short, what’s her name, I found her for the ifba um.
You did say her name um.
So is that the one we got the W band belt? No, that was that was Gene Garside as a matter of.
Ah hold on, I can go back up, I followed for the isba.
I can’t believe I can dress them.
No, not Brenda dress, no, not bring yourself um you’re.
Throwing me off, which one ifba ifba lightweight title.
Is you got from Garside, no, not Garside um? Then it wasn’t, I FBA come on name somebody else from Japan, uh Mary, Jo Sanders.
Let’S see Miriam Lamar, no Cecilia brackets Melissa, no Mary, Jo Sanders! No, no Laura Serrano no come on Melissa! No well! Maybe no Mary, Jo Sanders Holly Holmes.
Gary Blair, who Terry Blair, Blair, Terry Blair, Terry Blair – yes, yes, so I fought Terry Blair and I was I was good.
I was gon na ask you about this, one that was televised and we got.
You know me I’m a boxer I move around, but I said I’m gon na fight this girl toe-to-toe right here in the middle and we went at it and it was so much fun, but I don’t know exactly when it happened, but it happened.
She went and she said Bim right here – oh no hold on just on my left side, my rib right on she hit me and I fell.
I felt the head – oh, that was that was a pretty good hit right, but you know kept on fighting and it went on and and this and this and that and I won a fight.
But I went into back in the dress room and I’m like trying to breathe and every time I inhale, I will feel sharp pain in my side and I’m like what is going on.
She fractured my ribs and I didn’t even know it matter of fact.
Right now still my bone is like still like out a little bit and it was like there’s nothing that we can do only thing just wrap it and that’s it.
We can’t really but yeah.
I during the fight, you know other punches other times.
I didn’t really.
You know she could hit, and that was the night we met like that, but she asked me fracture my real yeah yeah that was fight of the night.
That was, that was the one we met.
It was the fight of the night.
It was yeah yeah.
That was a yeah, phenomenal car, but yes, definitely fight of the night right.
Yeah yeah, that’s when we met, but that was definitely fight of the night and yes, y’all went toe to [ __ ].
Yes, yes, um! Let’S see Alicia can punch.
Yes, she just said fight still on Sandy is finishing last few days in Portugal and we’ll fly to the USA at weekend to finish off Camp to fight the 23rd okay, I just wasn’t sure what happened.
Eddie was pretty dang pissed off uh.
What was gon na happen with it, I believe, baumgarner, Oh, So speaking of the bomb Gardener thing, I guess we’re gon na have to ask it, because I know that it’s coming out here in the in the comments right.
Oh let me before before.
I actually somebody asked me how about what my thoughts about Ninja Toronto I’m in Toronto.
I love her she’s, the truth: um Amanda Serrano.
Oh this is Toronto.
Amanda Serrano! You know I met her as a matter of fact.
She came to fight in Tampa up under Jake Paul um card and she contacted me and she, like hey Tim, I got some tickets for you.
She gave me tickets front row seat everything.
You know that was love.
Um she’s gon na walk you down, she’s a beast.
I really really love her style um.
She to me, I mean she’s Puerto Rican, but to me she has a Mexican style.
She she walks you down, you know and um.
I I really.
I really like her style and for what I can see look like.
She got some pops and her punches as well.
Yeah.
I really like a Amanda surrender.
Yeah she’s, definitely gone all all different weight classes.
I mean all the way down to I can’t even 112 or 118 or something like all the way up.
Yeah she’s definitely done her thing for sure.
Amazing.
Yes, amazing and she’s been fighting since I was like she’s been fighting for a long time, she’s feeling like she finally getting her just do you know she put in the time to sacrifice all of that, and I’m I’m really I’m extremely happy for him extremely happy.
Absolutely uh the dynamic change in her physique from when she jumps suddenly from small Hall fights to names like Terry Harper is startling: yeah you’re talking about um you’re talking about Ryan yeah, I’m excited to see the fight with Sandy Ryan and Jessica mccaskill uh.
I am kind of excited to see that one, but now I’m even more excited now that I know Shelly’s going to be there right there, [ Music ], though, and only your fifth fight like we were talking about earlier.
You took on Bonnie Canino, another definitely Hall of Famer, definitely writer.
Yes, one by TKO, though capture your first world title, wibf featherweight tell us about the fight and the feeling of becoming a world champion.
Oh man, how that fight came about was crazy.
Um me and Bonnie, I can’t think of the guy name, but he was the only one putting on shows and he was paying for at that time.
You know, like the girls wasn’t getting anything, but he was paying five thousand dollars um.
You know for championship fights, and so I can’t remember exactly how I met Bonnie, but we met and we became real cool and she was like hey.
Would you come down to my gym, sometimes and train, and you know, and this and this and that and I’m like okay cool, because you know she had been started.
You know before myself and I was that just started and she was like you know she wanted to show me some things and you know just open up her.
You know her home to me and I’m like that’s.
What’S up so a week later I get a phone call and they couldn’t find an opponent because we’re gon na fight on the same card they couldn’t find Bonnie upon and they couldn’t find me a poem.
So the guy was like well how about your body find each other loyalty is everything to me right and I was like whoa, even though he told me how much money it was.
I wasn’t even I was like Whoa man.
Bonnie was cool, like that’s my friend like what are you talking when I was like? Have you taught the body about this? He was like well, you know.
I’M gon na give her a call this and this, but I want to know how you feel about it.
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