AIR DATE: Feb 04 2021 20:55UTC
EPISODE: Episode 21
Russ Anber | The Scoop with Bola Ray | Talkin Fight
Watch The Scoop – featuring Russ Anber, whose career in boxing spans decades and who offers up Angelo Dundee’s hand-wrapping secret on this episode – from Monday to Friday featuring Canadian heavyweight champ Bola Ray, sharing his vast experience in the sport and provides his comments on boxing – its history and future – on YouTube and TalkinFight.com/live. @russanber @Rival Boxing Gear Inc
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Good evening talking fight nation and welcome to the scoop it’s friday night, it’s been a great week of special guests, and tonight i guess we’re saving the best for the last.
Is that how it goes champ i mean pretty much pretty much.
This is a very substantial resume.
I mean it stretched right across our screen when we put it on before, so this is going to be a great chat with a great gentleman with a fine career in boxing uh running the gamut.
As you know, more idea, i’ll, let you introduce him uh.
Why don’t you go ahead? Start her out there champ all right so we’re talking about a man here: who’s um, whose involvement in the sport of boxing spans over five decades and still going strong, arguably stronger than ever.
He is nothing shy of a boxing icon in canadian and international in the international scene.
My name is bala raymond ulubawali, and this is a scoop.
Today i have the esteemed pleasure of chatting with a friend of mine by the name of russ amber.
How are you doing what’s up ray ray? It’S been a while it’s been a while.
It’S been a minute, hasn’t it.
I don’t want to have aged one day, yeah, i’m fighting time.
I’M fighting like.
I don’t know what to say.
I’Ve uh! I have this dream of, like just being that honorary old man on the street beating up other people’s children.
I’M still you know, i’m still living the dream.
How you doing! I am good brother, i’m good! Thank you uh.
I appreciate you having me on.
That was really nice of you to ask me and uh.
I appreciate your kind words as well uh, it’s very nice to you and sometimes uh.
I have to pinch myself as to how lucky i’ve been.
You know to be able to have lived my passion and lived my the thing that i love doing and i’m still able to do it now and all these years that i’ve passed in it, i’m i’m lucky and you’re still going like you’re, like the momentum, is Actually, picking up it seems you’re you’re in the corner of two of the greatest like music, arguably one of the greatest cruiserweights of all time 100 and lomachenko or the greatest period i don’t heavy weights for for that matter.
I don’t care like he is nothing shy of a dynamo and you get the honor of working with these people.
I think about that.
Sometimes you know like i think about that, that dynamic that you know of how many people are allowed in a corner and how many people there are on the planet earth and then how many people are in boxing, and you know that i have.
I have one of those four places and uh that’s kind of special, and i i think the thing that i’m proudest about most ray is that, like i’m not there because of my good looks, i’m not there because of my pool playing ability and i’m not there Because i can do magic tricks, you know, though, that’s not the reason.
I’M there, i’m really there professionally and for those guys of that stature of all the people they have met and that they know and that they have come across in their career.
You know, surely you would think i mean i called i called usyk and lomachenkos lomachenko, both his olympic wins and usyk his olympic win.
I called those for for cbc and and tsn.
You know like i called those fights, and i remember speaking about those guys and uh.
I never would have thought that i would be in in both their corners.
You know so it’s funny how life goes boxing boxing can be real funny, sometimes, as you know, and uh in this case, like i said, i’ve been lucky and they like what i bring to the to the corner and uh.
You know something.
I’M proud of because it means a lot to me that on the international stage, the world stage with two fighters – that, as you described, of how great they are, i’m not a guy from the united states.
That’S from the the mecca of boxing.
That’S from the inner workings of boxing i’m an outsider.
You know who grew up in a small town outside of montreal, i’m from another country outside of america, and they choose me.
I think that’s pretty damn good! You know you’ve done something right.
You’Ve done something right to say the least.
I hope so i hope so at the end.
The thing is: it’s not that you went and put your resume in.
They called you yeah, that’s uh, that’s the other good thing.
You know – and you know what’s what’s ironic about that, and i think i think it it’s the same.
It’S the same recipe that i used for the boxing equipment business.
You know in that when i wanted, when i started rival boxing, it was very important for me as a canadian company montreal based, which makes it doubly difficult in canada.
You know right.
That’S from montreal.
Instead of toronto um i needed to make a product that was, i don’t want to say better, because there’s a lot of good products out there, but at least as good as anything that’s ever been manufactured in the history of the boxing equipment, business by all means, And we did that and as a result, without spending, except for my own mouth, without spending any money like on advertising marketing, because i didn’t have any our the the the the success of our business was based almost in its entirety on the quality of the product.
So i think that’s a little bit.
I don’t think i’m any better.
Now in the corner, wrapping hands doing cuts, preparing the bucket giving instruction i’m not any better now than i was 20 years ago outside of experience.
You know you gain experience.
We all gain wisdom, but in terms of my ability to do something, i’m not better now than i was then, but nobody knew me, then nobody gave a crap about me.
Then it didn’t matter.
You know now, it’s you know you’re a little bit more in the forefront, so that’s uh, it’s kind of good that the reputation and the word of mouth with.
Sometimes you don’t hear it for yourself, but others say it about you and the end result is.
I got work with usyk lomachenko, better biev.
You know, like i mean think about that’s three great spiders in the world of boxing, that that’s that’s an understatement, and it also, i think, is more of a testament to to you, um being that you have the that ideology.
That dictates that you know what quality comes.
First, um i’ve toted your name several times.
Obviously, but the thing is when uh i was, i can’t remember who i was talking to and we were talking about wrapping hands and they had just seen you in.
We knew you were in use um in lomachenko’s corner, but we didn’t know you were a music’s corner and we he just saw you in uh, usually corner and you questioned like.
Is he really that great and i’m like? I have to say? Yes, you wrapped my hand once once – and i still remember thinking that this was like it was almost as if you invented it now you’re going off and saying how you didn’t you haven’t done anything different in 20 years.
What you’re, not taking credit for is how great you were 20 years ago, well that yeah yeah, okay, so um! I, like i still i, i fought a fight where i had to wrap my own hands and i wrapped my hands from memory from what you and honestly um, and i i loved adrian to the rescue right and he wrapped my hands almost identically to yours – is That right almost identically um, it was, and i’ve had my hands wrapped at least six different times from like six different or sorry at least six different people have wrapped my hand several times worthy and but i’m saying that the rap was that uh unique, like the Two of you wrapped it at least from my preference precisely the way i wanted it.
Um uh, stable maintenance, good friend of mine, uh, rocky floriano.
When we were fighting in montreal adrian wrapped my hand, apparently one way and then wrapped eight um rockies another way he liked less padding on the knuckles he wanted to.
He wanted his knuckles to actually rip through the gloves and actually hit the guy.
Okay, that’s a little savage, but you do you and no complaints on his side.
So adrian apparently almost had a holistic attitude when it came to wrapping hands.
He didn’t always do wrap everyone’s hands the same, but for whatever reason, the way he wrapped me, i loved it and then that one time you wrap my hands.
It was like almost identical because, like again it was like poetry, so i i again i sing your praise.
Often i appreciate that right.
So much! That’S that’s nice of you.
I’M um i’m proud to have done that because um, i think i had to have been one of the first guys, certainly in canada that emerged with that kind of reputation.
You know that are good hands.
Yeah rust has good hands.
You know what yeah and i i kind of took what i had learned from the old school guys that i had worked with.
When i was a kid and uh i enhanced it.
I made it better.
I took pieces of what each one did and made it better until i came up with a recipe that i thought worked perfectly yeah um.
I don’t know if you know this or if you remember a lot of a lot of people who wrap hands today.
They prepare a pre-pad like they’ll, take the glass they’ll, wrap it up and they’ll make a pad, and then, when they’re wrapping the hand they’ll put this pad on there and continue to wrap the hand and create a pad in the in the knuckle area.
That’S not how i learned that’s not to say i can’t do it, but i didn’t learn that way.
The way i learned was way the way the old-timers used to do it, and that was you would build.
You would build the pad right off the roll.
You remember how i did that with you right, yeah right off of the roll i’m in cincinnati one year wrapping hands.
I want, i was going to say the name of the fighter and that it’s it slipped my mind kid from cincinnati.
I’M wrapping his hands doing this and there was this old man.
Old black guy was walking around, he had a cane and he was walking really slow through the dressing room.
You know he’s hunched over and hulk and he stopped and he looked at me and he said man that’s old school and then just kept walking away, and i was like: oh i’m that nice he recognized it.
You know so i i like that and uh the old timer recognized that davey hilton senior watched me wrapping a fighter’s hands many years later after we started and, and he right away he saw me he said you got that from roger meaning, roger laravey and so Davey recognized it so my my i’m proud of the fact that, because i got started at such a young age as a trainer, i started, i started training pro fighters.
I was 18 years old.
When i started i was younger than the fighters i was.
I was working with and uh as a result of that i was still able to make the connection between the the waning years of all those great old-school trainers like ray arcell, freddie brown, eddie fudge, roger laravey, angelo dundee, all those guys i got to meet them Because i started young enough, yeah vinnie curto introduced me to them.
I went to the leonard duran fight.
I i i stalked the hotel, where duran was so that i could not to meet duran.
I wanted to meet freddie brown and ray arcell, really were so nice to talk to me and i’m just a kid.
You know why and i just and everyone’s chasing the fighter.
I said this is perfect.
All of you guys go there, i’m going there.
You know i’m going to talk to freddie brown and ray arcell and i spoke to them, and i have to think that i’m one of the last humans with a contact who’s still in the sport, with a contact to that old school era, because everybody who’s around Now i don’t know missed it, you know, there’s myself, maybe buddy mcgirt, but there’s not a lot.
Um freddie rhodes there’s not a lot of guys still left, who have a direct connect to that old school.
Those old school guys – and i still carry a lot with me of what i learned from them, especially of how to handle the corner, how to work in the corner.
How to prepare the bucket all these kind of things, whether it be the the famous old school guys like i mentioned, or the canadian legends like tom, mccluskey and roger laravey and georgie drew and bernie said all those older guys.
You know that i got to work with and uh.
You know i’m um, i’m lucky.
I’Ve crossed a great span of careers that i’ve got to meet some outstanding people.
You that’s an understatement, especially when it comes to the world of boxing um.
I sort of adapted my methodology when it comes to wrapping hands with hand wraps.
I took it from yours and then i actually cerebrally justified the action, because i still remember getting having somebody wrap my hands where they got that mitt, that that that that pad and they put it on top and then they wrapped it around to hold it in Place right and after wrapping it around, there was a whack load of material on my on my pad, which makes no sense it’s useless.
It does nothing there, whereas when you layer it you put, maybe one or two to secure it and there’s virtually nothing on here.
So that’s a whole lot of less wasted material.
I hit hard.
I need to protect my hands patting on my knuckles protects my hands patting on my palm.
Does not a damn thing.
There’S there’s actually two schools of thought to that ray and no one’s ever mentioned.
This so whether you did it by design or by accident.
You touched on a very important point that i’ll share with you and i’ll.
Let you experiment with this, especially because you’re uh you’re a hard puncher.
Okay, the obvious thing is exactly what you said.
Oh, this does nothing here.
That’S not that’s not true.
It actually does something, which is why, in a pro fight when we wrap a hand with gauze, even though we’ll we will layer or put a pad on the top, because you’re using tape, you create a certain thickness in this area.
Okay in the palm side, what does that do that? What that happens is that allows you to be able, to close your hand around something and prevent your hand, which prevents your hand from caving in when it gets hit.
So it’s like putting a bar or a knuckle or a roll of quarters in between, so that you can punch so that the hand does stay solid and doesn’t cave in it actually acts as a support behind it.
So it’s not all you don’t always want to leave that empty.
So it’s it’s just as important.
Now i i see that and actually for the longest time, i’ve never understood exactly you’d see it in movies, where a person grabs a roll of quarters and he’s knocking everybody out.
I’M like exactly what does a world quarters do for you, but what happens when i, when i teach and when i well, i attempt to um.
I teach that you want to put your two knuckles on your on your opponent.
So if i, if i’m hitting with landing with my two knuckles and my two knuckles first, it’s braced with my hand my arm the whole nine yards.
If i hit with these knuckles, which adrian used to yell at me before that’s when the compression happened, but sometimes in a fight, but sometimes in a fight, you have the perfect intention to want to land with you, but the guy just got to roll his head.
A little bit or turn and that changes where you end up landing, and so there is a there, is a reason why it’s done that way.
So uh, when i’ll tell you a trick that that angelo dundee, i’m not going to take credit for this angelo, was the one who taught me this and i’m and he’s a friend of mine.
I love the guy.
So i want to pass this on.
You know that you can use it, but people today don’t realize you know people today want their trainer to wrap their hands.
I want to throw my gauze, you know they wrap their hands with gauze and then cut it off and reuse.
It again, you know like yeah, i don’t know why, but angelo told me for training the best thing you could do and the easiest thing to do and you you you use as many as you need is a cotex pad.
You buy a maxi pad use a cotex pad just put it on top.
Add that as the wrap simple when it’s finished just use it a couple of times, throw it away, use it again: they’re accessible easy to get they’re the perfect size they fold down and they and what are they they’re gauze? So they make the perfect thing that you’re looking for you know so yeah.
How did you get your start in boxing now? You told me we’re going to be supposed to be finished by nine o’clock.
I told you i have to go to shovel.
I can’t tell you all that enough and if i tell you all that now you’re not going to watch the movie or buy the book, are you no listen? I um my first.
My first contact with boxing came when i was 10 years old uh.
It was just shy of my 10th birthday when ali fought fraser for the first time.
You know the the the fight of the century, which really that’s what it was the fight of the century, and it was such a big fight that it was so big that people today can’t really even comprehend the magnitude of what that.
What that meant.
The same way that, even though i’m a boxing historian, i cannot comprehend the magnitude of smelling beating joe lewis on the eve of the second world war.
You know that the upset that that was the the it shook the world to its core.
You know what happened when smelling beat him and then, when lewis beat smelling in the rematch, you know, historically speaking, maybe two of the most important fights ever in in boxing history.
I digress, but this fight was so big in 71 that even kids, my age were talking about it and i remember i was out it was it was in our house.
I was in the backyard and my friends – and i were talking about it and my dad came to call us in and i said, dad who’s good.
You know all the kids were saying ali’s gon na win, fraser’s gon na win.
You know we’re all talking about it and i said dad.
I said who do you think’s gon na win between fraser and ali and my dad responded doesn’t matter.
He says joe lewis would have beat both of them, because for my dad you know joe lewis was his hero right, joe lewis was the guy, so that was my first contact in my and i said what do you mean joe lewis, and he would tell me The stories of them listening to the joe lewis, fights on the radio and then like a week later, getting to go to the movie house and watching the high, the the highlights or the fight itself that they put on in the movie theaters right.
You see it like a week later, so that was my first contact and then kind of like just sort of disappeared and never really became an issue after that well fast forward, five years to the olympics coming to montreal, so it’s 1976 uh the olympics are in Montreal, i’m now 15 years old, going to high school.
You know wow, okay, it’s the olympics, you know, and boxing was on the big stage, howard cosell, the same guy, who called the fights the pro fights is calling the olympic games and the americans.
Of course, a dominant superpower in amateur boxing, the 76 team, arguably the greatest team that americans have ever put together, oh for sure, buddy mcgirt, and i had a big, not an argument, a big discussion on this.
We compared the two greatest teams, which was the 76 team and the 84 team in a head-to-head matchup of how they would have fought and it comes out pretty damn close, it’s like a in a lot of them.
It’S pick-em, you know not the cubans.
Oh, the cubans were there, but i’m saying from an american perspective, you had sugar ray leonard howard, davis, the sphinx brothers leo randolph.
You know: okay, okay, they beat all the cubans.
The cuban had teofilo stevenson.
He knocked out.
You know he knocked out uh, babic or tate in 76.
I think tate.
Maybe so you know like there was.
The the cubans, of course, were strong, but the americans were a superpower was always america, cuba, russia.
There was always.
You know three that were the big ones yeah, so howard cosell is calling this and every one of the american kids is getting a story right.
Sugar, ray leonard, had his depict the picture of his girlfriend taped to a sock.
Howard, davis’s mother had just died on the eve of the olympic games.
Like everybody had a story, the two sphinx brothers were two brothers who made the same olympic team.
You know on the same team, i don’t know if that’s ever happened before or since you know the all these stories.
You know the producers built these guys up to legendary status.
I built a gym in my garage.
You know watching these guys.
I built a speedball platform.
I hung a heavy bag.
I i used old material to make hand wraps.
You know i had little skinny bag gloves like we could get at the time.
You know i got for ten dollars and you know like i built a gym.
That’S how much i love boxing.
That was the big influence and then, in november the movie rocky came out and you know i think that pretty much sealed the deal that i was in love with boxing and uh.
I spent the rest of my high school years.
Loving boxing and i was fortunate enough to meet uh one of my teachers who uh i asked if he liked boxing and he did and we started talking about it and he started teaching me and training me and uh that he he set the path.
For my for my life, without even knowing it at that time, so sometimes you never know how you could influence a kid.
You know you never know fair enough.
I don’t know i saw a picture and i’m just like the life that i lived.
You sitting with boris.
Forgive me, i can’t remember boris’s last name the trainer, boris gitman, gitmin, yeah and theophilio stevenson, and i’m going how yeah do you get yourself there? I i’m try.
I think that was at the it was either.
I think it was the north american championships or or the worlds in reno one or the other, so we were at a tournament and boris was there and okay there’s the appeal: let’s sit down, hey take a picture yeah.
I remember that i remember it.
I remember it: that’s incredible! Yeah he’s arguably one of my my all-time favorite fight or all-time favorite athletes of like ever since i was a kid yeah.
You have to love him and, and you know what boris gitman was one of my all-time favorite humans.
I i i’m very important.
I barely knew boris i every time like just a stellar guy um, he he’s still with us.
Is he not? I want to say? Yes, he is yeah one who has passed, who was also one of my favorite humans.
Um is peter showerman and uh.
I love from bramalea boxing wow, i didn’t know peter passed, yeah peter passed away.
Unfortunately, yeah last year i believe oh yeah, great guy.
You know he trained dwight and he’s the guy who ran the the brampton cup.
He was the guy who instituted the brampton cup, you know and i, when these things happen and when i see i think if i have a regret or one thing that i’m going to want to put in my book.
You know if i write a book.
Is these people who came along and really made a difference in boxing and how, today, you know they’re gon na find a way to screw up what this guy built? You know they’re gon na find a way to destroy it.
They just make it worse and that you know it’s sad, the way all the success that canada has had both on the amateur scene and on the professional scene, because, let’s face it, canada had a good run.
You know on the professional scene, winning world titles and whatnot, and we haven’t capitalized on that learned from it profited from it.
Just new people come along, say: oh we’re going to do it different now, yeah yo you’re reinventing the wheel.
The wheels already been invented.
Why do you want to change this? You know you’re, absolutely right.
Uh through this show i’ve been asking and that’s one of the questions i i i pepper a lot of my guests with is how do we make it better? How do we, how do we evolve the sport? Because, at the end of the day you will you will remember, there was a day when ontario was actually rather strong, especially in the amateurs, a very, very strong team right right up to the 90s um.
Actually, the number one team in uh what’s called the number one team in the cup in the country and then no there are no, it’s not just that they’re not number one but they’re, just not for a province of magnitude, they’re not representing at all um.
And what’s going on? Well, i personally, my personal belief is that, can i actually did a lot of damage to the sport in in ontario by making it so unpalatable for promotion for on the professional ranks made it less? Um, less kids were looking up at idols in ontario and say i want to be like that.
We had guys like mike strange, like he’s, he’s boxing royalty, amateur boxing royalty going off and saying i want um sean o’sullivan in the 84 olympic or uh willie dewitt, and that’s who i wanted to be that’s why i train so hard.
We don’t have that, or at least no.
I have that, but the next generation didn’t have that because at the end of the day, we’re not there’s not there’s nothing.
There’S not a whole lot of action going on, there’s not a whole lot of representation going on, at least in the province.
We are in a new era.
We have a great new uh, commissioner.
He is pro boxing, i’m optimistic for tomorrow.
I’M optimistic um.
I hope so uh.
I think that both both problems were different.
I’M not sure that there was an intertwined connection between what the struggles that ontario faced on the pro scene as to what the struggles were on the amateur scene, uh, the amateur scene.
You know the pro scene was regulation, uh and the amateur scene was politics, um dictatorship.
Uh, you know want to be the boss, you know we’re in charge, you know it it.
It wasn’t about the fighters anymore, it was about the officials and the referees and what they could control and who they could control it wasn’t about the athletes.
When i served for the 10 years as president of boxing quebec um, i’m i really tried to make changes.
You know – and i was obviously that made me a border director’s member on on cable.
You know i wanted to make changes and i remember talking to people saying we’re: not evolving we’re, not the the system is broken.
You know you.
Basically, i described it as um boxing.
Canada was a building that was built on a really prime real estate property, but we’ve let the building become dilapidated.
You know, we’ve let it run down and it’s no more good.
It’S not even worth fixing it anymore, you’re, better to just tear it down and start all over again build a new building and institute new things.
That brings us up to speed to where we are now.
You know to this era.
I don’t know if they’ve done that or not but uh there was.
It was just too much politics in amateur boxing uh adrian god rest his soul.
I love him if he’d be, if he’d be here, he’d tell you the same stories of the politics and the people that came up against you know within boxing canada and we and i think i i feel i think one of the reasons why adrian and i Got along so well is because it seems that boxing canada and they did this – this isn’t something that was done recently this because again, because of my age, how young i started! I saw this happen before we didn’t respect and preserve and take care of those people who came before us and who built boxing in this country.
We always everyone anyone who had success, we tried to crush them and you know stifle them, keep them out and say: oh okay, now oh not allowed to have pros and bo and amateur boxing anymore, getting rid of all pros.
You know and yeah like that, wasn’t and and it, although it didn’t happen immediately, that decision resulted in a cancer happening in amateur boxing that we’re suffering with till today.
You know it didn’t happen right away, but when you got rid of all those guys that worked with pro fighters, all those yeah who that that knowledge that wisdom, you got rid of all you wanted them out.
So you could control everything.
You know – and i i told this story – uh jen huggins uh, put together a video zoom conference during the pandemic.
Last year and uh, i told her about the russ amber rule and the russ amber rule was uh.
They have boxing.
Canada had a meeting and they determined that from now on, if you’re gon na travel with the national team, you have to have a level two, a minimum of level.
Two coaching certification and the motion went through and everybody raised their hand and out.
It went well after the meeting they found out that i had level two, so they changed it to level three, because i didn’t have my level three.
Oh wow, yeah, that’s the russ amber rule.
You know to keep me away from because what i did when i was when i was trapped, when my guys were on the national team.
If they didn’t select me on the national team, i just paid my own ticket and went there.
Anyways went on the trip.
Anyways they couldn’t stop me from doing that.
They needed to find a way to stop you from doing that.
So they put these rules up, and you know none of these things when you try to stop people, whether you stop me whether you try and stop me or stop something you’re just hurting the whole program.
It doesn’t do anything to enhance the program when you get rid of people.
You know you’ve got to get people working together.
You have to you know, i know there’s egos in boxing, but we all want to win and um.
I guess when you get rid of enough people, you know if there’s ten people in the room and you get ridden rid of nine of them.
That makes you number one.
Doesn’T it exactly exactly russ? I don’t want to keep you any longer because um and please please, please, come back another time um i promised i asked for 30 minutes, it’s gone 35.
! Oh with that being said once again, thank you ever so much for coming on today and, let’s do it again ray i’d be happy to do it again.
I i thank you for having me uh.
It was fun to share, go down memory lane a little bit with somebody who’s been there.
Thank you, uh.
It’S it’s an honor to talk to you again, it’s great to see you again, i’m glad you’re welcome! It’S been a long.
It’S been a long time.
Maybe too long and uh ray, i have all the respect for you in the world and let’s do this again, and i appreciate you having me thank you so much.
So much stay well brother.
You too, my man all right and that is the legendary russ amber wow wow.
What a gentleman, what a story? No! He was a spectacular guy.
I still remember the first time i saw him in person.
I was training at a gym and uh.
He was the head coach of uh, otis, grant the world champion and otis was getting ready to fight roy jones jr and he they used our gym as a training camp.
I was like, oh, my god that is russ amber.
I hadn’t been on a national team, yet i was still in it.
I was still a wee wee young amateur at the time like young by my chron uh from my standards um but yeah, and even then he was imparting knowledge on me.
Like little things.
Just little things and that’s that’s that’s the beauty of boxing um and he couldn’t he hit the nail on the head when he said when he’s talking about how we need the guys from yesteryear to help propel us forward the new generation to propel them forward, because At the end of the day, when that knowledge is lost, it’s very difficult to come back very difficult so, and that is the scoop that is the scoop um.
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