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EPISODE: Episode 2
The Standing or Mandatory Eight Count with The Champ Bola Ray — https://talkinfight.com/category/the-…
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Have the champ bowl of ray in the house and his show the scoop? What do you got for us tonight champ? How are you doing pretty good? Thank you, fantastic uh.
Once again, um my name is bola raymond wally, and this is the scoop uh i’d like to thank you for permitting me the opportunity to actually give my perspective on the sport of boxing today and yesterday uh.
Today’S episode is gon na be on the standing.
Eight standing or mandatory eight count should be abolished, the standing account was taken out of practice, but in the professional ranks by the association of boxing commissioners, the abc in 1998, the mandatory account remains in place in practice.
To this day now i haven’t been able to find the define in line between the mandatory 8 and the 10 count, which one is the official standard uh.
This is problematic if somebody can tell me leave in the comments below there’s a school of thought that believes that either the mandatory account or the tank out is doing a huge disservice to the fighters it’s doing a disservice to the fighters because of their safety, and Should be abolished, i couldn’t disagree more a youtuber by the name of ramsey dewey made a piece claiming that he that i strongly disagree with.
He believes that the mandatory horse standing account in boxing needs to be removed for the rules and regulation book, because every knock down is a concussive scenario and by giving the athlete the opportunity to continue fighting is just adding concussion on top of concussion.
On top of concussion, he made the claim that mma is a safer sport than box and currently because mma once an athlete is knocked down to the ground, the their opponent is permitted to pounce upon them and knock the athlete and continue giving blows to the athlete.
That’S already concussed, which results in a competent referee, stopping the contest within seconds and the down athlete not enduring more severe concussions.
If you could wrap your head around that so by them getting knocked down, concussed then continue to get even more.
Concussed is safer, get knocked down, allow them to get up, get knocked down, allow them get up if they get knocked out again.
What have you so in that same video? He makes claim that in the event that the athletes were permitted to continue beating a down opponent for an additional eight seconds, this would cause deaths and in some which way she performed.
He sees this as the equivalent to a standing or mandatory a count in purely striking disciplines.
That’S lost on me, um.
There’S a lot to unpack here.
Ramsay dewey is a total, is totally to be a mma coach in shanghai and apparently he has professional competition experience in mma.
He did another show where he correlated shorter fights with less fatalities, which was met with some people, as he puts it, who have never stepped foot in the ring before passing negative judgment against him.
That’S unfortunate.
A former boxing client of mine was a special case where she had been training in san diego prior to me um, and had endured two concussive scenarios really bad concussive scenarios where one a coach had her.
She was a she’s she’s, a small lady, um uh.
Five.
Five four: maybe a hundred and fifteen hundred twenty pounds, um sparring with a guy.
Now she was, he had been training her longer, so he assumed that she would be better equipped to deal with this guy.
The only thing is – and this is something that i screamed from the mountaintops when you – i don’t – have a problem with people of different genders or people of different sizes sparring with each other.
It’S just that it has to be done in a in an incredibly safe scenario, because in the event or the the last resort, that someone will rely on is power.
So if you’re, using some a smaller woman versus a bigger woman or a bigger man who is less skilled, you have to take into consideration the fact that person, who’s, less skilled out of fight or flight will resort to power.
And if that person’s defense is not to grade that could be problematic, which is exactly what happened with my client.
She was knocked out not once but twice by men.
This resulted.
The result from the unnecessary instance was that she would get headaches if she were to just do a wide variety of activities which made staying in shape difficult.
The medical advice that was given to her was to never voluntarily take shots to the head um.
I don’t know for again, but at least for an extended period of time now something about the advice given to her over and above not taking any more shots of the head really stuck out with me, and that was that she was told not to run because The act, even though it’s mild shakes the brain which is being described as a concussion in this video.
If that is the case, and i believe that it is to be the case every blow sustained but in a conventual art contest is a varying degree of a concussion.
But our bodies have mechanisms to deal with and repair the results from these minor and even great concussions and concussive scenarios.
I think that it is when there’s not enough time given to heal and repair between concussions is when the scenario gets problematic.
Now with that being said, the notion that every legitimate knockdown is a is a result of a concussive blow is dangerously misleading.
I’Ve described the scenario in some to some of my clients, as this think of a concussion as a bruise.
Now, there’s a wide variety of what bruises are: there’s the bruise when your little sister pinches you which hurts but the but the evidence of what transpired has already dissipated by the time you go to ratter out to your parents and, at the other end of the Spectrum somebody taking a blow to a limb and then there’s internal bleeding, which would leave an area the affected area black for weeks.
So you can see a concussion is pretty much a bruise on the brain granted.
It has more lasting repercussions and stuff like that, because the brain is used for things, but i know that concussions are pretty much a staple in our everyday to varying degrees.
Again we as a species wouldn’t be here.
If we didn’t the thought that giving an athlete time to recuperate from a flash knockdown is being negligent towards the athlete is completely lost on me, what makes even less sense to me is how anyone can see allowing an athlete to continue enduring blows after the initial Concussive blow has been received without any time called to clear the athlete the injured, athlete’s head as being a safer option.
The athlete’s gon na go from a mild concussion which to be told much like that brew scenario could repair itself and again.
This is my hypothesis.
Um, it could repair itself over the course of seconds minutes, whatever the case may be two greater one, one second later, just because they’re allowed to continue to inflict damage to the to the athlete.
This argument is completely makes no sense.
Ramsay claimed that mma is far safer than boxton, because there has been no deaths in the ufc.
Yet there has been a number of deaths in boxing over the year over her history, which is unfair and misleading statement.
It is very much true that there has been no deaths in the ufc, at least none that i could find, but the ufc is not mixed.
Martial arts mixed martial arts is mixed.
Martial arts, the ufc, happens to be a component.
What’S in it, there’s been seven deaths in mixed, martial arts, competitions on um, sanctioned uh competitions and nine deaths in unsanctioned competitions in the west alone.
So what is he talking about and to make a comparison between boxing, which has a history since 1890? Has thousands of contests since 1890 to compare that to mixed martial arts which pretty much started in the early 50s? And it started off with like one-off scenarios here and there is beyond misleading the ufc um pretty much came into in 1993, and there has been virtually nothing being done in the west prior to the ufc in the way of mixed martial arts.
Now, to make the claim that, because there’s been no deaths in the ufc, but there’s been deaths in boxing, come on, ramsay made a claim that mma, the scenario plays out that when an athlete is knocked down to the ground, his opponent pounced upon him delivering repeated Blows at this point, a competent referee stops a contest which is in some way humane.
He then goes on to describe a boxing contest as being a scenario where an athlete gets knocked to the ground and repeatedly allowed to get up to receive another concussion knocked down.
Get up knocked down throughout the fight.
This happens even more commonly in mma, israel arasanya had a f dropped, paulo costa, with a left hook at one minute and 11 seconds of the second round.
He then jumps him and pounds him until one minute two seconds and the fight gets stopped for the record.
Paulio didn’t die, apollo, didn’t die, apollo fought and they had a back and forth war where both athletes were knocked to the ground, then the aggressor jumping upon him and some which way she performed the lesson the the victim was able to escape, get back to his Feet and continue the contest, this again repeated itself several times over the course of the fight and in it repeating itself, sometimes, of course, over the course of the fight, the fight went, the distance there was no deaths.
How is this, how is how is ramsey, dewey capable of making these statements which fights as he’s watching this is this is nonsensical and that’s me being polite.
I firmly believe in that the mandatory account is necessary and that the standing account should be returned back into practice for the professional ranks of boxing.
It really does make the sport safer a great deal safer um.
One of the first rules of boxing is to protect yourself at all times in the event that the athlete is not protecting himself there’s a problem.
I don’t see anything wrong with the the referee, then going off stopping the contest assessing the athlete.
If there’s times when the athlete will say i don’t want to continue, i don’t want to continue.
He doesn’t have to get a concussive blow before the after.
Before the referee stops the contest, it needs to come back.
One look: one needs to look no further than the iconic fight between i’ve said it again: um larry, the eastern assassin homes and tax collapse and tax cubs was nothing shy of a beast granite chin, his heart, the size of some caribbean island yeah great, but he Was a danger to himself and the sport sort of indirectly dictates that show your heart don’t give up.
These are the things that not just a sports society says we’re taught, don’t give up, keep fighting on yeah, except when you’re just taking abuse.
So sometimes the referee has to go off and save the athlete from himself, and i think that in the event that the three um three – not not the three knockdown but the three standing eight count rule – was to be reintroduced into boxing.
That fight wouldn’t have gone.
The distance and he wouldn’t it wouldn’t, have heard the final bell.
The sport would have saved text cop from himself and a whole lot of unnecessary pain.
But that’s my thing and well that’s the scoop.
It’S your boy bola and that’s a school.
Please! Let me hear from you leave your comments down below if you liked the episode smash the like button and please subscribe thanks very much ray cheers that was awesome.
Have you ever been uh subjected to uh incorrect call when it comes to standing? Eight that’s a really difficult question, because at the end of the day in the amateurs um, the scoring is different and the sport of boxing in the amateurs is really at least.
It was in the day that when i was empty, it was really um directed towards safety um in the event that um a fighter took a solid shot, he doesn’t have to be rocked.
He doesn’t have to be off off balance.
He doesn’t even have to be hurt, but the ref would stop the fight and give him standing a count now in accordance with scoring in the amateurs.
It doesn’t mean anything unlike what’s when you get knocked down in the pros: uh well, not down now, but i’m asking for the standing account also for a point to be taken out.
Then in the end, just nothing, it’s point scoring every time you get touched.
That’S a point, so a light punch is a point.
A monster punch is the exact same punch on point, so i took shots far before i understood the the rules of the game.
I fought fights where i took a big shot and i get a standing account.
I’M looking at the ref, i’m like why so yeah it happens, but it’s for the safety of well me but of the athlete and in hindsight, i’m all for it.
Safety of boxers being paramount, of course, being caramel absolutely well, thanks! Very much for this ray appreciate.
It you’re welcome the tv and thursday yeah you’ll be back with us tomorrow at 8 o’clock i’ll see you then thanks very much
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