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EPISODE: Episode 1
Our group of panelists, including Tim Witherspoon, provide another weekly roundup of boxing headlines and an array of updates about upcoming bouts and boxers.
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Once again from the night of talk and fight here, uh as we join the Friday night panel, crew, grumpy, Graham Mike or Lou Eisen, and we got to start off with a story involving Lou because uh, it’s got a lot to do with publishing and a lot Of guys, who have a lot of stories to say about boxing uh would love to know your story like you, you went through yeah this.
My story’s got surprised how many hits I got on LinkedIn um, but uh.
So I wanted to publish my book.
I want to have a book published that I wrote called boxing’s greatest controversies: yep 25 of the world’s most controversial fights as I picked him yeah.
Well, I’m a first-time author, so um, I thought I’d gone to one person who was well known for publishing books, boxing books, but then he was a bit hesitant after so he said, go to Amazon and I paid them 500 uh, Canadian.
I think it was and they said they would do it and then they kept changing their name and finally changed it to Native Books and every time I would get a manuscript back.
It would have mistakes in it that I didn’t that I had not put in.
Like obviously, I had mistakes and I would mention those, but when I say mistakes I mean, like you know, uh footnotes.
The number on the footnotes supposed to be in superscript is supposed to be above the letter.
Well, this was bigger than the word before it.
So if the word was 12 font, the footnote number was like 18 font wow, and I said that’s not how you do it and the guy said I know how to do it.
Can we speak English, so I kept like this went on four or five times.
Finally, when I spoke with Nigel Collins, I he suggested – and I did I sent those chapters to his publisher and his publisher said your book needs formatting and editing it’s good, but he said what they’ve done is is worthy as a grade four class, so wow.
So I said they wanted to make me a deal or to give them one last chance, and he said: are you stupid five times in a row? They’Ve made it worse, you know: come on Charlie Brown kick the football again.
I promise this time, I’m not lying.
So I said no, I I want a refund and they said yeah.
If you read the contract, we don’t give refunds.
I said right, but my lawyer said that the contract uh everyone gives refunds and it doesn’t say that the contract and you didn’t live up to the contract.
Oh now you’re mentioning lawyers in Europe, so they went on about this.
Do you really want to take this to court? It’S going to cost you millions, and I said no.
The lawyer is my cousin.
I said you guys could just pay me.
The 500.
.
There you go Canadian or you know or or my lawyer can get an indictment.
Close you down and you won’t do any business which I learned later on for my lawyers no point because they’re broke anyways, so they sent me a refund.
They sent me a refund sheet, which I filled out.
We’Re going to give you a refund for via Paypal.
Can’T give it to you PayPal, it’s not working I’ll, be at work at the end of the week.
It wasn’t, can we do a cached wire transfer? Sure can’t do that and then I called – and they said well, we’ll get you the payment in the next two to four months and they put me through to a guiding Finance.
Everyone I spoke to before was British.
Although the companies in LA and then he said who is this that I’m you know book and I sent a refund, I don’t give up asks about your book or you and your F in life.
You know you took advantage of us how well you use their services, and I said I’m looking for a peaceful way to resolve this.
Well F, you, I said: well, you’re, not really a conversationalist.
Are you so? I said to him, I said: can I just say one thing, because what these people like to do Graham, is we’re going to talk, really quick, I’m really fast, while you’re talking, so you can’t get a word and never gon na hang up.
So I said to him, I said I just want to say something.
I said this is not a threat, my cousin, a little smarter than me who’s, a lawyer, oh now, you’re threatening me.
Now, I’m not threatening you.
I just said he said to me.
If I was smart, I would let you publish the book right and I would have the original manuscript I sent and they would have what you did and they get to see all the dumb mistakes.
You know, for instance, the mistakes that, for the beginning of a chapter you think putting Dempsey after Jack was what does it matter? What matters, because that’s his name so well millions of mistakes like that and it kept getting worse wow and you would talk to them, and I would say this specific thing.
I said this author Ron Ross is a friend of mine.
You know his name is not Don boss.
It’S Ron Ross.
I wrote it out for you in 35 font and sent it to you, and I said you know footnote When you mention a book or newspaper or supposed to be in italics.
No they’re, not that’s.
You read the Chicago rules of writing.
That’S what it is.
You don’t put them in bulk.
You put them on italics.
Well, that’s just your opinion, so it was just a nightmare.
So they’d call me again yesterday and my wife just said just ignore them: they’re not going to get the money back, and I that’s why I went online and said: don’t go to Native publishing and I’d spoken to other people.
Who’Ve used them.
They take your money, but they don’t publish your book and um only reason we watch the show is because of One mic and two Tim Winston Mike is in the center of the yes.
I see that I know I’m ugly, but I showed it to Derek James former boxer and now trainer.
Yes, so essentially that’s the story.
So I’ve spoken with McFarland publishing a friend of mine, Colleen, Aycock who’s written a lot of books.
Put me in touch with a lot of Publishers and McFarland was great, and some of the other ones were too, and they came back and said like the book.
Most books are a hundred thousand words yours, two hundred and thirty, three thousand so out of the 25 chapters.
You’Re gon na have to cut at least 15.
that’s great and he said and just shorten it up, and he said what I mean by shorting.
It up is, for instance, we know.
Fritzy zivic was a dirty fighter, but in the chapter you mentioned it 15 times, that’s not necessary.
In the first paragraph you say: fritzy, Civic, a well-known dirty fighter.
That’S it you don’t need to repeat it wait.
Thank you getting direction, so we’d love to look at it again.
So I said: that’s that’s wonderful, but these people from Amazon were were just a nightmare wow.
Now the good news is boxing fans lose my generous to to do all those shows on Sunday and provide us with most of those controversies on talk and fight.
So on the bright side uh, we all know what those controversies are right.
So is why someone like me, who’s supposedly smart, was stupid enough to do this yeah.
I was told two decades ago, not kidding two decades ago.
Never ever pay anyone in advance for uh book publishing rates, film rates, you’re right, grandma was sweet.
My cousins have called me: hey schmuck, he’s an idiot that paid the money to the public group beforehand.
Why don’t you just go out in the streets somewhere and give somebody some money and say, publish my book? How stupid are you and I said well, the other person was a legitimate publisher right and he recommended you to these people, but I thought you were born with a brain, but I guess I’ve known you for over 60 years.
I would sadly mistaken it’s the day.
They handed up brains, you were sleeping in as usual and you probably took some doughy pastry instead, and that was good enough for your head and you ended up doing this.
Don’T do it again and I won’t well yeah.
No, it’s it’s a sad story.
It really is, but the good news is, is you’ve related a lot of those stories online here and we appreciate it in the meantime.
In the meantime, while we, while we all sink deep uh Mike, what do we got coming up? We got.
We got some fights.
This weekend, uh first shout out to everybody leaving comments in uh in the section here, uh shout out to Derek James.
Thank you for tuning.
In again this week, uh, you know shout out to miss [ __ ] uh blessings, yes from stanko [, __ ].
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Welcome welcome guys to the show uh yeah, let’s get into it man, we got lots of boxing this weekend yeah.
We want to start this one off.
This is this is one that I’ve been waiting for: Richardson Hitchens, Jose zepeda, this one WBC silver and ibf North American super lightweight titles.
Up for grabs, guys, uh world rated super lightweight, Richard Hinson is set to battle it out with Jose zepeda from the WBC silver and IBA North America.
Super lightweight titles coming September 23rd at the Carib Royale in Orlando, will resonate with the Roars of fans and thuds of these gloves guys.
The brooklyn-based Prodigy Hitchens recently showcases boxing Talent at Madison Square Garden, flooring, new jerseys, John Bowser uh, with an unblemished record of 16-0 and seven kots, he’s currently ranked number six with the WBO and number seven with the ibf.
In that 140 pound rankings, uh Hitchens voiced his enthusiasm stating, and I quote, I’m excited to finally be back in action and prove I’m that Top Dog of 140 pound division after this performance I’ll show you I’m ready for anyone uh Jose, is a Peter, was an Impressive record of 36-3, with 27 wins coming by way of knockout stands tall as a formidable challenge for Hitchens.
The Californian veteran having previously taken swings at World titles.
In both 135 and 140, pound categories is hungry to ascend the ranks to revive His World Championship aspirations and he quotes that’s it.
For me, my last opportunity and a big one is to pay the remark acknowledging the gravity of this match.
Uh the night is not silly about the super lightweight, so the welterweight division will be also graced by Jessica mccaskill.
The reigning, WBA and WBC champion will face Sandy Ryan in about where three titles are on the line.
Mccaskill familiar uh went to taste of Victory is setting her eyes on another win.
Well Ryan.
The WBO belt holder is eager to leave a mark on the boxing world.
Yes, there’s more action to anticipate guys, uh Austin.
Emma Williams will put his skills to the test against Steve roles.
Further elevating the already exhilarating lineup Williams after his triumphant belt in London is inching closer to a world title shot uh, while roles with the commendable record is determined to prove that he’s a man, uh Williams, remarked his own growth quote.
Tremendous advancement have occurred in all areas of my life September 23rd will be a display of Brilliance, dedication and laser focus roles, confident and composed response um.
He has never fought anyone as a pro with my experience and that will play a big role in me.
Winning this fight end quote so guys this one you’re not going to want to miss it.
Conor man is set to step back into the ring this Saturday in Orlando Florida uh.
It’S been over a year since Ben’s previous fight, the accomplished British fighter with a record of 21-0 with 14kos who officially restart his journey as he prepares to fight Mexican super welterweight uh, and he is 32 3 and 3 24 wins coming by way.
A knockout at carob Royale in Orlando Florida, featuring as the co-main event on Saturday September 23rd and despite King just 24 orozoko, brings ample experience to the table.
Having started his professional Journey at a tender age of 16, guys uh with an imposing height of six foot.
One inch powerful ozoko roast 24 knockout, win right here in his career and has been Victorious uh in his last few fights with back-to-back stoppages, which includes the Triumph in the fourth round in Mexico City in June against Iran Perez.
So I can’t wait to see this.
However, against men, uh horizontal is taking uh an important step forward, as that is even showcase.
A standout performance from his Hiatus back in April Ben faced a temporary suspension which, again on March 15th and causing his earlier scheduled fight with Chris Eubank Jr last October.
To be delayed, but the Destroyer was friendly Vindicated in July by the UK 18 and the WBC.
His temporary man was removed after a thorough review by an independent national anthem panel, mushrooms versus Eddie Hearn remarks.
Connor Ben is back in action and I’m eager to watch him continue his journey.
Although he’s geared up for a major fight, his coach, Tony Sims is Keen to reinforce him against a respectable Challenger like Adolfo orozo uh Connor’s current form in training is astonishing and I’m thrilled about his upcoming appearance in Florida, Connor Ben also expressed.
I stand unbeaten both inside the ring and in spirit this Saturday works by road to vindication, I’ll post that the 147 to 160 pound division should be wary.
I am a man on a mission and my goal is here: what are your thoughts Mike? I have a question thanks God, you stop Mike Connor Bank, a punch I this weekend.
Yes, he is.
He is that’s a different card.
Oh okay, a different card.
We will be talking about that.
One he’s fighting that tall um Chinese yeah, Joe Joyce, is gon na get clobbered, but anyway, let’s go.
Let’S go.
You need some help.
Let’S, let’s he.
Yes, let’s go back to what Mike was saying in earlier, though Hitchens versus defeated right yeah I’ve been here, I got Hitchens on that one by the way uh, but I don’t know about uh, Lou or Tim.
If they’ve got a comment on that one, but I like my boy Hitchens, I believe he’s got a lot to show in this Division.
I think that’s super lightweight division.
Um has has yet to really take notice of what this kid’s ability is.
Uh he’s very, very talented.
I believe that he has every every possibility of coming out the uh.
The Victor here agree and he’s not taking easy fights he’s taking dice that are tough and he’s got his head on straight in another ring he’s a great fighter and it’s a privilege to watch him work.
Definitely I have not yet seen him fight so I’ll make a comment.
I do uh.
What was the other fight that was uh? Well, we got we got, we got.
We got like no, no before before uh, before uh Joyce and uh Jang.
What was the other fight? You were mentioning because I uh, I have a oh, oh wait, not sorry I’ll tell you, it was Conor man yeah and I and I have been upset with Matt, troom and Connor band for well for a few weeks now at least minimally.
I can’t believe that Connor band is allowed to fight in Florida because I’ll tell you why? Because this upsets boxing fans, boxing fans are out there going hey man, this guy’s been banned from boxing because he’s taken certain drugs.
Oh wait! No they’ve lifted that band.
Oh wait.
No they’ve appealed that ban, oh, but in the meantime, he’s gon na go fight in Florida.
Now, who do you think I hate to say it, but he’s managed by Eddie Hearn exactly I’m sitting there going wow? I can’t believe this like I don’t.
I don’t mind Connor band as a straightforward boxer, like he’s undefeated uh, a good boxer.
If you weren’t on drugs right any it’s been yeah, it’s similar to court.
Well, you know we saw you beat up that old lady, but and I’m appealing the conviction, okay.
Well, I guess you can.
Let me out now: no a conviction is a conviction.
You did drugs.
The fact is: there’s no unified body in all the boxing.
That’S called cheating that is called cheating, you’re, damn right: okay, Tim Witherspoon was the World Heavyweight Champion and didn’t take drugs.
No, we divided by the rules this guy cheated and he’s getting reward for it because Florida, of course, Ron desantos.
You know um is going after Disney, um anyways, so he’s being awarded in Florida.
It’S all about money yeah.
How much will it take to get him before you know, and this is the thing that kills me about boxing Tim and Mike and Graham, the majority of the major fights in the world are in the United States.
You know 90 of the money in boxes generated from the US, if not more and yet foreign promoters and foreign mansion and bodies are allowed to come in and do what they want that shouldn’t happen.
There should be one Soul, Central American body that says no Connor Penn, we’re not letting you in you cheated right and you should yeah.
They shouldn’t go ahead.
Go ahead! No, no! Go ahead! Tim! You you’re, the problem.
No, I’m this [ __ ], not not really! Um again, I am I’m but um.
I think that there should be like.
If you make it do a crime, you should go to jail for a certain amount of time and then release and then let you out and then you should be able to um go on with your life um.
So I think this should have been a period that they um they suspend them for then let them come back um.
That’S just my opinion.
Don’T don’t ruin this whole life, even though he was even though what he was doing was wrong.
Let him let him get off of that stuff and um.
Let them give them a grace period.
Let them come back right.
I listen the hell alone.
Now don’t bother him and it goes great point, and – and this goes with the only I mean this happened and it’s it’s my father would say, don’t deny it just no.
I did it.
I’M sorry.
I was wrong.
It won’t happen again.
More than one boxer got caught with the um, Daniel Dubois comes to mind and who’s who’s, the girl um and it’s all finished guy.
They know what they’re doing they know what they’re doing you’re responsible by law, you’re responsible for what goes into your body right and blocks and you’re responsible for that, and they know what they’re doing yeah – and this is one of the things I learned from a guy Tim Newell, nazim, Richardson, nazim Richardson was the trainer a lot of guys but his chain of world champions.
But but when he had um uh Shane Mosley Mosley was supposed to fight margarito and he went into the dressing room for margarita to see the hand wraps and they said the hands are wrapped, get out, they’re signed off and he said no.
I have to see them and they said no, you don’t, and so he left he went back to the hotel.
Hbo said the margarita.
You got to change this, otherwise you’re not getting ready or you’re having or you’re having the fight, so Richardson came back and they and and margaritas trainer said your guy’s gon na lose and he said maybe, but not because of my mistake, take your apps off and That’S when they found the metal, the hard plastic pads and nazim Richardson said that that was the only time that was the only time I did that.
That was the only time it was on TV.
He said I can’t tell you how many times where, where before fighting said, where I’ve said to, I wanted to see the urine test and stuff none of your business well and he would say no fight, then you know you give the money back to the crowd.
Then you know you can’t get away with this and Julio Caesar Chavez.
Jr did this countless times where he took drugs and was caught and he was protected by Jose Suleiman um watching all the time Nettie Hearns had four in a row.
I can’t remember the name that all finished fighter who just got knocked out by AJ um but but um people, one of our commentators just said: Alicia Baumgartner was the uh, that’s it and she didn’t.
They all deny it well yeah, because she she apparently said she tested positive before her fight wow negative two times after the fight.
So it makes me think that that training regimen just messed up on their yes they’re, not even doing it correctly.
That’S the thing: yeah we’re not doing it correctly.
Canelo got caught, people get caught, wow Canelo was on it and he said it was the food I ate well right responsible for the food you eat and the thing that upset me with Pacquiao’s people would say he was on steroids, but Pacquiao voluntarily got tested all The time and they were surprised tests and when, when someone like Mayweather, said he’s on steroids to someone else, he went to court and sued them.
In other words, he said, show the evidence produce the evidence, yeah yeah.
He said I’ve never done that.
I don’t need to well not to take away from anybody else.
On this card we talked about Ben yeah, he’s gon na be he’s gon na be a little he’s.
Gon na be a machine coming through.
We know he’s got a lot to prove he’s going to come out hard-hitting.
You know he’s going to come out fast and just try to end this.
He just wants to get it over with, but opening the card.
Our girl uh Jasmine ortiga, 1001 uh.
That’S super flyweight division is taking on Josefina Vega.
That’S so that’s to open up this card.
Um we’ve had it around.
The show before we’ve interviewed her on our female Fridays.
Also uh Giovanni is Stella is uh is on this one taking out Lewis, uh carabello Ramos and uh Khalil Cole uh, his uh he’s a former knockout of the week winner uh for his uh fight against uh, none other than uh James quitter uh.
That was a big one, uh KO in the third round uh to win to win our just uh knockout of the week award.
So honestly uh great amount of fights on this card, and this is just the beginning because we also have the other one.
We also have our uh our joy Joyce card s fought like James Joyce, yeah, he’s not a stupid fight.
He stood in front of a guy who’s, not mobile.
He didn’t have to and took a tremendous beating yeah.
He did.
He did and uh I’ll tell you right now I’ll tell you right now from that 256 pounds and he weighed in in their last fight.
He tipped the scales at a blistering 281 and one quarter pounds just six pounds under the weight of zeli Zhang, who weighed in at an astounding 287 and a quarter which is literally 10 pounds heavier than he was his last fight against civil Joyce.
That means Joyce was undisciplined and unfocused and didn’t train as well as he should and also Zhang saying it’s still 6667 right yeah, but joy Joyce is six six, but just I don’t think you can carry that weight just so going into that prior fight, uh Joyce Was unbeaten yeah? He got beaten by Zhang as he admits now, because he wasn’t really prepared for a southpaw clobbering his right eye.
He don’t have the skills, that’s to really hate, to cut you off.
They don’t have the skills.
That’S it that’s yeah! I don’t care about the weight.
He tried the oak box in Olympia, but but well.
All I was about to say was I’m sorry if, if Joyce loses this match he’s done his career, I mean, I hope they drop him out of the heavyweight division, because, if he’s, if he’s clobbered in this round, I I’m sure he’s going to get clobbered all I’M saying is is if he does get clobbered uh and loses uh.
You know Zhang is on his way to the top and Joe Joyce.
Despite all the British people telling us how great Joe Joyce is, if he gets beat again he’s not they keep saying how great he is, he isn’t they don’t know boxing.
I mean they a lot of them know about.
I mean they supporting them, they’re supporting them and he don’t they don’t want them to lose, but they’re not looking at the stuff like boxers.
Like me, looking I’m looking at.
Oh, he will be great if they get somebody to change his style and everything.
So we can keep talking about this fight that fight his weight, this weight, and it all boils down to him blocking punches doing the right thing with his defense and everything and all this will be out the way nobody will be criticizing them or anything.
That’S the real problem: why can’t people talk about that, this inexperience of management and stuff, or are they good at whatever, but how come they’re not straightening his ability to punch in defense, but they’re talking about everything else? That’S correct! That’S a great point because you know Jim Joe Joyce’s main skill is that he can take a good shot to the chin.
Yeah yeah, that’s a short shelf life.
That’S right! He doesn’t have skill him and Muhammad Ali Larry Holmes were skilled guys.
They were artists like Cezanne or Picasso or Matisse Joe Joyce.
Is the guy Watson straight forward and says I hate you.
You hit me whoever’s standing at the end.
Wins right, that’s not boxing.
Let me see, let me say this real, quick, Larry Holmes.
One would Larry Holmes one being able to teach nobody, but let me tell you this: there’s guys out there that was in good shape and it was determined to win Ali.
You don’t really see Ollie sitting there, relaxing and boxing he moved like he was in good shape.
Larry Holmes depended on his jab jab right hand, no defense, he had no defense or nothing and he never slipped the punch.
He always took punches, but he was successful.
So there is a lot of guys out there to make it, but very few now guys is that, like me, I had skills, I had skills and during our times you know you know that’s what got me through.
It was my skills, but they were in better shape.
They were in better shape, so um you got to really look at the situation.
You got ta look at the situation because Ali like a butterfly and he ripped him up with his speed, but if he was, but if he was less in shape too hard on him and and also with Larry Holmes, just have a few things in his repertoire.
Just a fruit jab right hand and he had a big heart.
They all had big hearts, but nowadays you see like Joyce they don’t they don’t have they don’t really have too much.
They’Re, big and strong, um and and the Chinese guy is China right.
Yeah he’s going to need help down the line too, but he got a heart too.
He comes in Egypt before anything.
That’S the problem with him yeah I’m all he had to do is bring somebody in and straighten this mess out.
All of them.
You see them all doing it.
Yeah the Chinese guy, Joe Joyce, Anthony Joshua, can’t even block Jabs he’s like this Dante Wilder was fighting like this, even though he was devastating.
With that right hand, then he met his match.
Little things is what these guys need.
I got ta tell you Tim this week I was reading a book about W.
C Hines Bill Hines, a sports writer from the 30s 40s 50s 60s okay, and he had an article.
He said if you never saw Willie, Pepper or Sugar Ray Robinson or Joe Lewis fight.
Don’T ever talk to me about boxing? Okay, no, nothing! That’S, and this was written in 1950 or 194.
So he said I saw Sugar Ray Robinson.
Do things that took my breath away and I 40 years ago, and I still haven’t caught my breath.
He did things that you just couldn’t fathom about Bob’s Liquor dude.
He said he was like he was just.
He was like nerev like a skilled dancer.
He said same with.
Really, you know he said Ray Robinson would play with you and then he would say.
That’S it and knock you out tremendous skill, a lot of training and like you’re, a skilled fighter.
You got by on skills ability, but also tremendous brain power.
These guys today don’t have that and you see that they don’t have that it doesn’t exist with Joe Joyce or or Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua or even Tyson Fury.
I don’t think any of those guys Tim.
You know not not to be brown-nosing, but I don’t think any of those guys go five rounds with you and thank you.
Thank you.
I got to be in good shape, though yeah I think in your Prime.
They don’t land a punch on you.
It’S a Hollywood thing like picking guys just because the fighter, one um they’ll pick the trainer, but it’s not necessarily now these days like do you pick a fight, a a a the trainer, because the fighter one like Spence and like Crawford his trainer was seven wins And 14 losses um, you can see in his skills and I don’t have nothing against him, I’m just we on the show.
We got to tell the truth: um if you can see his skills that he’s good offensively, but when somebody put the pressure on them, they really can’t.
They really don’t know what to do especially Spence, so, but but with this train, all the all the all these other boxes or go to him because suspense winning or Crawford winning.
Now he got a whole line of guys coming to him.
They not really knowing that this guy is okay, but he won’t be able to take you all away unless you got National skills there to help you that’s just my opinion.
Man.
There were two world champions uh in the fifth Louis Rodriguez.
No, no sorry, big uh slick, Willie pastrano, oh right yeah is he from New York or Philly.
He was from New Orleans New Orleans, okay and so Willie pastrano and uh.
Ralph dupas was the other guy and they had a trainer named Whitey es now and he gave them when they were 16 each.
He had them signed with Angela Dundee because he said I don’t have any more to teach.
You there’s nothing.
I can teach you and Angela said to them.
I can teach you a lot.
You’Ll get there, but you’re only 16.
So you got to be patient, there’s a lot to learn, and there there was a time, for instance, when pastrano got a draw against RG Moore and he was really upset and Angelo said it’s Archie Moore.
Getting a draw against oxymora is like winning the lottery yeah.
You understand it’s one of the greatest boxing minds of the past 1 000 years.
The fact that you were given a gift draw.
You should be happy about that.
So, as Tim was saying, these guys aren’t taught correctly.
They just want to move them into the big money while protecting them, and I believe that’s because some of these trainers they just got that chip on their shoulder.
Like you know, they don’t want to let go of theirs, they don’t want to be.
They don’t want to.
They don’t want to admit that they don’t have nothing.
They have nothing left right.
Getting that money too right it’s hard to give up that money and also admit that that you’re out of your league, well, you think they’re going to give up a million or two just to let another guy come in they’re, not gon na say hey.
Can you get him he’s better than me they’re not going to do that? This goes back hundreds of years I mean when Benny kid Pratt died after fighting Griffiths the third time.
Okay, Benny kid per red, yep yeah.
You know he had nothing left, Fulmer, beating him up, knocked them down six times wow three months earlier and peret was having nosebleeds brain bleeds uh, no, I used to having, but he had ear bleeds and his trainer who was a mob guy said you can’t go To the doctor, because if it gets to the newspaper, they’ll they’ll they’ll stop the fight, and so they fought and he died after and he was paid 40 grand for the fight and it disappeared.
And his wife said someone asked his wife he’s getting 45 50 Grand.
Since he became champ and he’s in the top three welterweights in the world, how could he be broke and she said he was illiterate? He couldn’t read or write trainer said you got to fight again in three weeks or in three months, and he said former just knocked me down six times.
I can’t fight again four took a year off and never won again.
That’S really bad back, then yeah and they just they wouldn’t do it, so these guys should have taken more time off and when you look at a guy like Joe Joyce, my question and I’m sure it’s your question, Tim and Graham and Mike I, if I had One question to say to Joe Joyce: I would say what are you gon na do different than you did last time.
He was surprised he was a South Park.
You think southpaw’s just the best easy fighting with cell pause.
I started off by uh sparring with the South Park.
Randy Mack, that’s easy stuff right, maybe for somebody else else is complicated.
That’S easy, stuff man, but he said it like, like South bonds came from from Mars right.
That shows you with the people around.
That shows.
You who, what the education that’s around them when they say that, let me let me interject on that one Zhang just said uh.
I believe, just yesterday the press conference he goes, he admitted he said, I’m going to continue pounding his right eye, because I know that’s how I can beat him.
So he he’s even at he’s up front he’s saying you know, Joy Joyce can be beaten.
You know how my left, my left is just gon na pound his right eye and it’s going to pound.
It close.
I expect to see a different choice, though I expected I’m telling you the truth.
I don’t know different skills, not different skills, just a different approach, because harder, slower Choice as well.
You’Re gon na see that slower joist that just marches forward where he tries to capitalize every time he’s got his man’s back on the ropes.
That’S where he lets go and he tries to throw those unanswered, punches, those heavy mitts and for honest.
I like Joyce, when I saw him in that last match again Zang and he came out weighing 20 pounds less than he did any fight that I’ve seen him before that.
I knew there was something wrong.
I knew we weren’t going to see the same choice.
We always see he’s known as the Juggernaut.
He comes forward like a train.
He leans on your guy and all he does is throw those big is and he’s got the chin to take it.
But you know what Zhang showed us: he doesn’t have the eyes to take it.
So the flu is when I worked for him watching some Fighters and one person was fighting at Southpaw and they kept moving to the right and Lennox.
Looked at me and said this isn’t rocket science yeah yeah.
Why is it so difficult to understand? Yeah you you! He said if a person’s got a tremendous right hand, you circled to your right away from it, a third Health claw you circled to your left, yeah.
You said this isn’t a secret.
This isn’t a state secret.
Why do people know this there’s much more to it too than fighting the South Pole.
You also got ta get on the outside of his lead right hand like I did on this, show before there’s a lot more than just staying there right in here.
You got to get on this side and go back and make the less Southall right hands down the middle and you’re gon na get your lead foot outside his lead foot, yep yep yeah.
I think we’re looking for more of a swarming strategy from Joyce.
Like he’s done in the past uh, it’s the only way, like you know, both both Joyce and and Zhang they’re, both the same height they’re, both the same size.
I believe what Joyce Joyce might have like a one inch reach disadvantage.
I believe I think I think zelly Zhang has, like you know an 81 or 81.
5 inch reach.
Joyce is sitting around an 80.
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So honestly, he’s gon na need to just come forward, stay off that left hand and just you know, uses.
Let me ask the question then uh: okay, first of all, I think Zhang’s gon na be Joyce.
Again I think Joyce’s career is over uh, but do you think Zhang will then go into the ring against USIC? I don’t think he’s got a chance against it, but why not yeah I mean to me it’s more exciting than Tyson Fury, because if Tyson Fury goes into the ring against naganu, whether he wins or not is irrelevant.
I hope they pull his belt.
I hope they strip him and our friend Rick Blazer said this I’ll, be there I’ll be there when they fight yeah well, but but um um, Saudi Arabia, yep I’ll, be there at the fight, um George Foreman um, a lot of the the uh.
You know former boxes they’re gon na, be there challenge your winner, huh, listen I’ll I’ll, do an exhibition, I’m in really good shape.
I hit the ham.
I do everything and stuff like that.
But a lot of this stuff is about the lack of skills man.
That’S all it is.
We talk all we want to talk, but it’s the lack of these skills, Joe Joyce.
They don’t move their shoulders and move in.
They don’t block the old time pretty stuff slip.
Bing bing, you don’t see.
All you see, I’m doing is this getting hit getting their hands up and and that’s why I’m telling you I’m watching a fight and I’m saying wow, he don’t even move his shoulders out the way he don’t come in like that, throw punch, he don’t block hook Right, you know one two back to defense: you don’t see that one two in their hands here and they get hit.
So a lot of people are now talking about the specific things that these guys.
Now we talking on the show – and we and you talking you know boxing talk, but I’m talking, [, __, ] stuff that I’m, I know for a fact.
That’S causing these guys to have these negatives right.
I’M telling you Tim, I don’t know everything, but I’m telling you these: they don’t they don’t know how to block and they all like just getting hit.
And it’s I’ll be saying.
Oh, it’s a shame.
Damn I’ll be like oh I’ll, be doing that being successful in the ring.
You do know everything.
No, I don’t.
I know enough, I don’t know everything you find homes you could see during the fight as a viewer homes getting really frustrated because he couldn’t land a square shot on you there’s no one around today, other than Terence Crawford, there’s no heavyweight around today.
That can do that.
There isn’t that that, can you know they can, if you chill, if you teach them, they can, if you keep drilling them like you go to school.
That’S why we keep talking about these young heavyweights who are coming up through the ranks and we keep saying these guys know their technique.
They know, there’s they know their defense yeah.
They know it’s Paramount, they’re listening to our show, they know Jared Anderson yeah.
What do you mean? What you mean Jared Anderson’s, a good example he’s taking his defense up, but it’s more.
He could add a little bit more too, but there’s nobody that’s going to really affect him because he do keep this tight, but there’s more to it than just this.
Don’T forget.
Sam, don’t forget.
Jared Anderson is only 22.
right.
He says I have a lot to learn and I I’m I have a lot so so um that that’s that’s true.
That’S true! He right you’re right about that, but he should know this stuff by now, though he should know it by now, but I’m not going to learn anymore.
If you let you find the right person, the problem is: is that we don’t get to see him in front of the proper pedigree of opponents.
Okay right, we because he’s only 22.
.
Have you seen examples of of his defense.
We’Ve seen examples of him being able to you know: change up the game plan when it’s not working out to his to his favor uh.
He listens to his trainers.
He listens to his corner and you can see that he’s got a lot to learn.
He’S only 22, which means you know if he gets the right people training him the right defense, then honestly, we got a recipe for Success.
We got a recipe for one of the greatest heavyweights that is ever going to Grace this game as long as a guy that did good to him who’s that fighter.
That really did good against Jerry.
Who is that remember? He was doing real good okay.
He did really good against him right.
Yeah Ali got knocked down by Sunny Banks who was an average fighter and Henry Cooper.
Okay, but eventually he you know he got up.
He realized what he did wrong.
He fixed the mistake, but I want to go back to something Graham said.
I I agree.
I think Fury.
This is the joke of the WBC, which I always say stands for.
We be criminals.
I really should be stripped of his title.
He hasn’t defended it in 18 months and and and Lucy said I’ll fight you and, and and you know what do you want? 50 50.
You want 65 35.
You want 70 30.
I’ll.
Do 70.
30 split.
75-25.
I don’t now you want 85.
15.
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Sorry, I’m not giving you all the money, I’m not fighting for nothing.
You got to pay me.
I hold all the belts, you hold me and then Fury calls him.
A coward.
Fury doesn’t want to fight him.
If Jerry can’t beat him you six of pure boxer, Fury, won’t lay a glove on him.
I see him get easily get beaten with the right guy.
I’M telling you, like.
I told you on the show before that movement has got everybody.
There’S no trainer out there.
That that movement to me is nothing because all you got to do is go to his body with your jab, like I talked before hit his shoulder hit this they don’t like when you, when they movement, they love their movement.
They love their movement as soon as you stop that movement that aggravates them.
The old time chain of church taught me it, and it actually happened in the ring.
If you stop trying to hit this and when, as soon as he moved hit that hard as you can hit the arms by the three more rounds, he gon na be like frustrated and then you’re gon na be able to hit him on his head.
And these trainers ain’t telling these fighters to do that.
Why go over the head if he move this way, hit that, whatever closer to you, try to take your hand, try to break his arms, all that and put and be in shape.
You got to be in shape to get that put that pressure on them.
I know how to do it, especially with Siri, especially with Fury he’s he’s his last fight being what their chisora back in December of last year, um other than Derek chazora, like the last few guys that he’s fought has been chisora white, Wilder twice and then Schwartz And then Wilder so, okay he’s been he’s been fighting the same pedigree of guys for the last couple of years.
Yeah he’s going to go to an ultrasaura format by the way yeah he only like just sorry but but Tim.
What you said, I mean that’s the kind of stuff that gets me excited because you’re describing Charlie Goldman, who trained Marciano and he said, take what they give you take.
What they give you if the guy’s got a great defense like Walcott pound, his arms pound, his hips, you know, and and after the fight these guys have huge hematomas on their hips on their arms on their sides, because marziano would just destroy everything they had because They really want they really want.
They really want you uh to try to hit them in their head and that’s why they move like that.
They really I’m not want you to hit them, but that’s why they’re moving they don’t want you to get.
They don’t want to get here, but when you hit him there they get frustrated, I’m I’m telling you they get frustrated and you have to be in shape to do that, be in shape.
Keep hitting to the body hit him on the arm.
Hit him on the shoulder by three rounds.
He gon na forget about the head and then you’re gon na get the head, but they’ll be trying to get their head all the time yeah.
I don’t would train for six to nine months.
Guys don’t do that anymore! Marciano getting water up to his neck and throw punches, so he could throw him as quick as he can throw him outside of the water.
So when he fought a lot of guys, he destroyed, he broke veins and arms broke bones destroyed.
Some of them had hip fractures, I mean he just like Tim said and then eventually they couldn’t.
He took away their Mobility, the body never moves, and when he took away the mobility, then he could just stand there and like as a Charles, was a great fighter and knocked them out.
And that’s exactly is this like a porn site? It’S exactly um.
I might have to I’m gon na have to go get my daughter, yeah, no she’s at a party.
That’S! I was late here: uh she’s at a party um, a school party and stuff.
Like that, my daughter, okay yeah.
I understand, but I I like what that guy uh um.
Oh, what the host said yes of Fury, rests on his opponents.
He knows how to lean and loot and use his weight on his cut because he doesn’t have defense.
He hits that’s my man.
I love him, he hits and he holds right.
He’Ll go boom.
Boom boom then grab you somebody.
Well, he he’s successful right where I try to change him.
No, but I would tell him to try not if he hold hold for just a split second then hit but then hold for Speed.
No don’t hold for long periods.
For me, as a boxer, that’s boring, you know, but he gets the job done, but the thing is hopefully spectacular than bad post four Split.
Second, then, bang hold for Split Second, then get out of there um it looks boring when you keep holding um yeah.
It does, and it’s also we’ve been watching Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and having two guys lay on the mat for three rounds.
Oh okay, okay, same thing, it’s the same thing: it’s just we’re standing up.
That’S it and you’ll notice.
First, two fights they do win.
He wins.
He wins: yeah Frazier Ali in the first two fights Ali was created, holding Frazier behind the neck and and not letting him punch and finally, in the third fight.
I know that method, yeah third fight Eddie fudge gotten the one of the greatest trainers in any sport.
Ever and a gentleman’s gentleman got in the ring with Joe at the training camp and said this is exactly what you do when he reaches your hand and uh when he reaches with his arm.
This is exactly what he did when he puts his hand behind your head and Frazier used all those techniques, and they were, I thought, you’ve been around for 45 50 years, so he knew what worked, and they also had a referee who was willing Carlos Padilla to Do his job yeah Padilla, you know so, but these guys Fury gets away with it and he holds and he doesn’t have.
I don’t think the requisite skills and and he’s not finding anyone.
I mean, why doesn’t the WBC they do it to everyone else.
Why don’t? They say the fury, listen, you got ta fight, you got ta fight, you sick, or you got to fight this guy or you lose the title guys.
I got ta go okay, I got ta, go I’ll, be ready next week I’ll be ready next week and everything we’ve been doing.
I’Ve been doing that the podcasters and stuff right, yeah you’ve been busy yeah.
I’Ve been doing that in the YouTube stuff.
You see me trying to build that up.
Um I’ll I’ll, see you guys next week, okay, okay and I’ll.
Let you know what’s going on because I’m going to Saudi Arabia, we could talk about that.
All right! I don’t want to fly man before you before you leave uh Tim, who you got Jang or Joyce win again, because I don’t think there’s nobody around to to educate Joyce enough for him to um.
I don’t! Even if and it’s and and because you’re a little heavier um that makes him maybe he might be a little bit more sluggish sluggish when you get into the ring um, I don’t know, maybe he maybe he given up and not telling nobody in the wage man.
I’M gon na get paid good, but you know something or maybe not.
We don’t know, but we know you definitely don’t know until we see him in the ring yeah we definitely he definitely needs some help.
Man, these guys picking, trainers.
That was with boxes because the boxer won and they said that guy is good because the boxer one they doing that these days everywhere.
Oh, this guy got a whole bunch of boxers and he only he was oh, he was his record was really bad, but he because of the boxer one.
Now he getting all that traffic and I’m like whoa, the boxer is just the guy that uh.
Oh, let me all right guys see you next week.
Okay, all right! All right! All right! Thank you guys! Thank you! Everybody see, you see each other okay, all right! Well, let me touch uh.
Let me touch on the rest of this card before yeah.
Please do I’m sorry, sorry to interrupt you Mike there we go.
We got a bit carried away this one’s early guys this one’s early 9 A.
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Eastern time it will be shown again: 5 uh, 5 p.
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Eastern on uh, on ESPN Plus in the states, 9 A.
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Eastern, where the hell is it coming from this is this – is this: this is the uh.
I believe this is a Zang fight.
It’S scheduled for 9 A.
M or no hold on no 5 p.
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Sorry guys, sorry, I had it wrong.
5.
P.
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Eastern time this one’s getting underway – uh, yes, Joyce Zhang two yard Silva in the co-feature yeah, it’s gon na be a good fight.
Yeah.
It’S definitely gon na be a good fight.
Um, you know Spotlight shines brightly on the main event with you know, zeli Zhang set to defend that WBO interim uh against Joe Joyce uh in the evenings go feature.
Former two-time World title Challenger, Anthony yard, will be putting Portugal’s uh Jorge Silva in a captivating 10 round fight uh the duo first locked horns, uh this past April remember Cooper box Arena Rose and clinch at WBO inter World Championship uh.
You know blasted out that eye of Joe Joyce um, you know Zhang now, based out of New York uh, both that impressive uh record of 25 101 with 20 Kos and aims to maintain his standing among the heavyweight Elite uh before he does that.
However, he will have to counter the formidable Joyce who’s holding that 15 and one with 14 Ko’s record.
Who is Keen on regaining his last title and returning to the top of WBO rankings uh but title what title did Joyce have uh the WBO heavyweight title uh? He had an intern Champion, WBO interim yeah, so next in line, I guess right, yeah Mike one quick one quick thought here: yeah a lot of the a lot of the British pundits criticize the American heavyweights, because they’re 12-0 15-0 19-0 – oh, but they haven’t, fought anyone Of pedigree or caliber yeah, you look at Joyce, he’s only fought like what 16 or 17 fights he fought 16 times, and he has a record of 15-1 with 14 Kos.
Who was it Parker? He beat it’s the only name, guy yeah, that’s all I’m saying like I’m getting a little frustrated um at the way the British tend to be so condescending with respect to how their fighters in particular are the best in the world and they’re not and – and this Is what this is, why I think Zhang’s gon na clobber, the hell out of him and and that don’t limit it to boxing British or British – are gone to something about everything? Yes, just just ask Monty Python.
I know yeah keep going Mike.
Sorry, Miss White card is stacked.
Okay, this fight card is stacked with other thrilling encounters.
Sam notes is on this one: Sam, no good good fighter, great fighter, Pierce O’Leary uh each of these guys defending their respective Commonwealth, lightweight and super lightweight titles, there’s also an intriguing light heavyweight contest, pitting the flamboyant Ezra Taylor against Joel McIntyre, a matchup promising.
No shortage of excitement for this one guys, uh honestly, some big big fights on this card uh.
We also got Royston Bernie Smith, looking to stay undefeated Moses, saituma, looking to stay undefeated, Tammy Fletcher, looking to stay undefeated uh.
So we’ve got this one, this one’s this one’s jammed up and then we have Zach Parker taking on uh Callahan uh, gradually Grady, gretia, uh, so yeah.
Definitely sorry wait a minute back it up.
Yeah Zach Parker games who Callahan great yeah Gesundheit exactly well.
It’S uh! Honestly, come on Parker’s gon na clobber, this guy Parker 22-1 ranked number 43 taking on the ranked 306th, who is 10, 12 and 4.
.
What do you guys think this one is? Is this uh yeah yeah, it’s a setup.
It’S a setup! I have a question for you, though, about one of the fights I’m super excited for the Pierce O’Leary fight.
You know the kid’s 12-0, taking on Kane Gardner that one’s for the WBC International Super Delight uh.
So definitely some great match here.
Hi all right describe one of the fighters as flamboyant.
Yes, yes, I did.
Liberace was often described as flamboyant.
Yes, easy, easy uh.
We we don’t discriminate against who.
I know no, never never, but I but I’m curious now, because I don’t have rewind, who is the flamboyant boxer you’re talking about Ezra Taylor? Oh yes, Ezra Taylor, guys! If you do not know who he is uh Ezra Taylor is 6-0 right now he’s taking on Joel McIntyre, uh Ezra, Taylor’s last fight uh.
In that late, heavy division was against the guy who’s on the card.
Uh Cala had gratty gradie up, so he beat him.
We we don’t have to mention it as much now he’s thinking about Joe McIntyre, but uh.
The light heavyweight division is actually pretty good in terms of like uh, the caliber of competitiveness and entertainment.
Oh yeah, we don’t often mention it um, because it kind of get it gets overlooked by the the the heavyweights and then the middleweights and cruiserweights and all kinds of stuff.
But the point matter is: is uh on this particular card, as you just pointed out, there’s some there’s some great light heavyweights in there, oh like like, come on better, be of Bibble like Lyndon Arthur sitting on the IBO World Championship right now, in the light heavy.
So you should look at Michelle Obama too.
In terms of light heavy yeah there there was some uh pretty critical comments.
I can’t I can’t remember who who made them but level against better BF the other day um, because he was going up and down in weight and uh.
You know whether or not he could really sustain that kind of level of credibility in that weight class, which is why I know he has, and you know he has but uh in the boxing world.
It would seem you know, given the amount of people who have an opinion, you know they don’t they don’t seem to appreciate the skills it better, be it really has, and – and I do – and I know you guys do but uh I’m just saying I was kind
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