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EPISODE: Episode 1
Our group of panelists, including champ Tim Witherspoon and author Lou Eisen, provide another weekly roundup of boxing headlines and an array of updates about upcoming bouts and boxers – and share current events and news with the many fans across the world that enjoy the great sport of Boxing!
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Oh yeah, hello, boxing fans around the world thanks for tuning in to another episode of the Friday night panel, hosted by Yours Truly Mike or – and I am joined today by my friends and counterparts here – none other than kneel the deal and Lou Eisen.
Yes, thanks guys for joining the Friday night panel man, let’s get it underway, we’re gon na get some uh some talks in thanks for coming guys, you wan na, say hello to all the fans out there, hello fans out there good to see you yes uh.
I guess we’ll get right into it against grumpy Grant.
What about my wife? What’S that you? Yes, I get to say something too.
I asked you if you wanted to man, I want to say all right, all our fans, all the talk and fight hosts.
I’M really happy to see you Lou uh, guys it’s Lou for coming out and, of course Big Mike grumpy might grow up.
You know you never know about him, but anyways thanks a lot for coming out guys.
We’Ve been having a good week and this weekend is going to be really good.
Hey Mike, it’s it’s one of those uh.
Well, I called it what the Battle of Britain yeah well, there’s some big fights going on this weekend.
Yes, definitely um yeah yeah.
There were some fights that happened this afternoon too, that were pretty big uh that we’ll get right into, and I guess just talk about and discuss, I don’t know should, should we let the people know who won these fights but uh? I don’t know if we should, but we we could uh.
I want to talk about uh.
You know thorisland Luna.
This one was Set.
Uh 2 p.
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Eastern standard time.
Today this uh this was set for a blockbuster event at uh, Gregor or Greek jier uh arena.
In Holst Boro in Denmark, uh Champion versus Champion Clash featuring Dana sensation, Dina Thorson and the Mexican Powerhouse uh Luna Avila uh.
This one was set to go toe for toe for the WBC WBO and vacant Ring magazine World women’s bantamweight titles, uh, thor’sland, unblemished record.
This 29 year old 19-0, with eight of those wins coming by knockout.
She just defended her WBO title for the fourth time uh, but also going to add two more World titles to your resume on the the opposite corner.
Luna also 29 holds the WBC title with a record of 25 three and one with only four victories via stoppage, Luna’s durability and ability to go the distance.
Might the end of thor’sland a run for her money in that scheduled 10 round boat.
That already happened today so uh, I don’t know guys you wan na.
Should we talk about well new? What are your thoughts if you want to if we’re gon na talk about European boxing, we there’s several things we have to mention along with this fight, which is how Fighters the fight from Atrium keep getting caught.
Uh keep failing drug tests right, and I wanted to ask both of you.
I I read about it, but I didn’t know how it started.
Apparently, Ben Shalom, a promoter and another promoter attacked verbally attacked, Eddie Hearn and called them all sorts of names and stuff and her and answered back.
I was wondering if you knew what that was about uh, I know Graham, was up on that.
I I wasn’t really.
I didn’t really pay attention to that.
I guess they verbally attacked him for all of his Fighters.
You know testing positive because, let’s be real like who was the last one, uh Alicia Baumgardner tested positive uh before her July fight, but then also tested negative two times after the fight was already like, already ended.
So you know it’s not the first time, somebody that man, that you know the matchroom camp is tested.
Positive Robert hellenius attempted positive, Conor, Ben and exactly science doesn’t lie it’s like math, so exactly they’re caught they did it.
It’S it’s a problem in the sport and and something has to be done about it um.
I don’t know what advantage it gives them other than helping them recover quickly from workouts yeah, helping them recover quickly in a fight, but but um I mean Eddie Hearns guilty of it, and you know one test one fighter once ever, You could argue, but three now And rumors of more I mean that’s, that’s not good.
No, it’s it’s! Not it’s not good at all and what you know like you’re, never gon na get rid of that blemish on your record either it’s no! It’S a horrible thing for a boxer to do.
Um.
You know it’s it’s just.
It is what it is the way.
The way you see it is, is everybody has a choice in life right.
So if they offer you anything, it’s you can say.
Yes, you can say no, those are the answers, that’s it so absolutely and don’t forget.
Jake LaMotta said it was dying day when I died.
To always remember me, as the guy, through the fight on purpose, to Blackjack Billy Fox.
He said that never leads my record yeah nice that broken my heart for 40 years now, and everyone who sees me looks at me looks down at me because of it.
Well, as we all know, look at all the professional athletes in general around the world that have been uh, you know brought in front of tribunals, Etc.
Uh, their careers have been destroyed, they haven’t made the hall of fames there’s just so.
Many things that have been happening in professional sports in general, from every professional league in boxing is no exemption right.
They have people, they have people that abide by the rules and they have people that don’t abide by the rules.
So I’m not going to look at it.
Right is they’re either going to have to like have like it’s like have have one side: okay, if you’re going to do this stuff, then that’s where you fight in that Division and that league and then, if you know the people that are clean but not least, It’S like having two Olympics or something you know what I mean for the people able to do these things and the people that don’t do these things.
They know it sounds crazy.
The athletes themselves are being um forced to do it just like, as as Lewis say, and Mike knows, to keep up to keep up the pace right, because these athletes are getting so much better and ever like back in the day.
Hockey.
Players did not train in the summertime, as we all know, we’re not even going to get into that one.
But you know what I’m saying yeah.
Now it’s 24 hours a day, 24 hours a day, the 365 days a year and they’re on major health issues like diets and this and that and training, regimens and stuff man.
You know so it’s a pretty big thing and you know what professional boxing is becoming.
One of the biggest things again, thank God right, Lou and everybody we all know and uh it surpassed MMA now like it always did.
We all know but kind of people just kind of it’s like a fad or something I guess they’ve called but anyways.
I I truly believe that um, I feel bad for the uh, the athletes, because you know what, if you’ve trained your whole life, to become the best that you can be and there’s a guy beside you who’s just a little bit better than you, because he’s decided That he’s going to do something, that’s illegal for you like right.
Even like look at Carl Lewis, man, how many You Know, Carl Lewis won what 14 gold medals or something I don’t know for the USA, but he was like uh.
He was no better than Ben Johnson, so that’s you know what I’m saying so yeah! Well, Neil you bring up.
You bring up a really good point, because when I interviewed Nigel Collins, he used to be the editor of ring and now writes for ringside C.
Is what well known it’s in the Hall of Fame boxing writer? He said you know, you’re, never going to get steroids out of the sport Now Sports too wide.
There’S too many people in it.
He said, and not too many for the good of the sport, but too many people involved in steroids.
He said.
Maybe the best you can do is come to an agreement where you allow steroids.
I didn’t agree with this, but you allow steroids and control what What fighters can take.
I think that’s what they’re doing now, though.
That’S why right some are.
Some are testing positive before the fight, but then, after the fight, it’s almost like it’s almost like they’re timing.
It so that it’s another system by the time they have to do the test with it.
That’S that’s the logical, as you say, I think I think that’s probably what they would have to do like allow them to use it in these times, but they would have to clean up to get in the ring, which is still is not fair.
It’S still not.
No, it’s not fair, because Muhammad Ali never used them, neither did Joe Lewis and they had no trouble being Beyond Ray Robinson.
I don’t think was doing those things you know or Sugar Ray Leonard or Roberto Duran.
Well, that’s debatable! That’S all! I got to tell you where Roberto Duran he’s on a different level that guy yeah, but I I don’t think he ever did steroids.
I don’t think so not on that level.
No, no! I don’t think they’re around in his time, but but you know I mean Babe Ruth used to go on the field hung over and still hit three or four home runs for sure.
When you said athletes aren’t playing by the rules.
That’S not a long end of sport.
That’S in general life I mean NFL, didn’t the NFL there’s a second, no wonder: Franco, Major League Baseball, the second woman came out and said she was abused by him beating up so these athletes, NFL NHL Major League Baseball boxing.
I mean Adrian Broner: did this a lot of them just think the rules don’t apply to me, because I have a lot of money and I can do what I want.
I can take steroids, I can beat people up and nothing will happen to me and that’s just not the way.
It goes thoughts on the low blow guys.
What are your thoughts that was the low blow without a doubt: okay, okay, what yeah I’ll tell you why Lou? When was the last time you got your glasses like a couple of years ago, maybe yeah.
If I do need to get my eyesight’s, not great, you are correct, you’re correct, but I say it isn’t great, but but um the the rules, the rules state and the referees said, and that’s what the world say any Blow from the top of the trunks down.
Even on the Belt Line is a low blow.
Anything up from the top of the trunks up is legit blow.
He hit half his glove part of his glove was on the where it said.
Usick part of it was below that, but the pain was real.
It went into his testicles, it wouldn’t have.
It was a natural reaction, and people said it was a solar plexus, solar plexus, isn’t at your Beltline, no, it’s higher up yeah.
So what was that Lou? That is a definitely that was a low blow.
You know it was borderline, maybe, but it was definitely a low blow and he felt it and after when the doctor examined them, his testicles were very swollen, so he shouldn’t have been hanging out with those Ukrainian women the night before.
Well, it was Independence Day come on party.
That’S what I’m saying you know he wasn’t exactly just training the night before that’s another thing, but I think there’s a bigger issue, Neil which people miss everyone missed the thing that I couldn’t believe Dubois, I thought, beat the count yeah and then they waved him off.
But he was ready to continue yep.
He looked at his corner.
He took his.
He took his eight, he stood up at nine, looked at him and the guy called it off and I’m like, and that’s what they’ve been saying for 300 years when you go down.
Take a nine count, take it take as much as you can do like you got to take a nine point.
Whatever it was, he did the right thing.
He got up.
He looked at his Corner, what you’re told to do, and then there were three waves and off.
There was no reason to wave It Off guys.
How do you explain that now we’ve been dealing with these referee issues like throughout the year, obviously, and not just this year, but you know, but it it that kind of thing to me like Lou, you probably watched like 5 000 fights, ten thousand.
Fifty thousand.
You know what I mean that never happened when Ernie Chambers was violating the the thing.
One of the things is this uh back in the day in the 70s, like Foreman versus Frasier or Foreman versus Ron Lau, you had referees, who Angela Dundee, for instance, didn’t like like Tony Perez and Perez was a terrible ref.
So I saw him stop fights that were ridiculous and then Arthur mccanney, refereed, Foreman Frazier and after the city after the sixth knockdown Angelo was at ringside doing the cuddler commentary.
He was swearing at mercandy.
Would you are you in? Are you an ignorant bastard? What’S wrong with you, does he have to kill the man foreign stopped it so now, I think, because of the death of Maxim, davishov and other Fighters uh recently in the ring boxing was very quick I’d.
Rather, the referee’s attitude is I’d.
Rather, you be angry at me than have a death on my hands grumpy, Graham in the house.
Okay, it is what’s happening.
Lou they’re, not like these guys are not actually fighting at their full-on capability, they’re, just kind of lollygagging.
These fights like sure they’re trying.
But it’s not like they’re, really actually trying.
If you know what I’m saying like they could.
Actually it depends who I’m I I think was trying.
I couldn’t believe all the verbal s online, which I discount most of that stuff, anyways and people saying you know, he’s afraid of Fury right.
It’S the other way around Fury ducked him, usick agreed to a a 25-75 split and fury said no Fury doesn’t want to fight him.
Fury doesn’t have the skill to be the music.
He went and fought a UFC guy Fiesta yeah, Nicole USIC, who fought for its country.
You know they’re calling I mean Fury’s, calling him a coward.
If Fury’s really believes he’s the champion, then shut up and get in the ring of Lucy decided, but he won’t yeah.
Oh exactly it’s uh like to me, I’m just telling you I’ve been watching so many of these fights and to be honest with you, it’s just like they’re kind of almost in slow motion, sometimes right, yeah yeah, sometimes I mean they’re, not really uh, actually like yeah.
I mean when, when Frazier got knocked up by Foreman, he hadn’t trained hard.
Everyone said form is easy.
You don’t need to train, you’ll beat him in one minute and then he underestimated him.
He didn’t realize what was going on and, and he just he went to his head and that still happens to Fighters today that they don’t train as much as they should and when you, I I’m trying to remember who I was reading about recently, but differently.
Now yeah they do, but still when you have a guy like Duran or if there’s still Fighters today that we know of you know, Hector Camacho was one who you know the night before the fight he’s in bed with three women he’s doing cocaine he’s doing the.
I mean then comes into the ring.
It’S like who you know, that’s disrespect for yourself and the sport and the fans, but Fighters still do it.
They think my talent alone will get me there and it won’t.
We got ta, we got ta talk about okay, so the low blow took away from the actual low blows right.
Did you guys see those low blows? Yes, yeah yeah, that that blatant Bladen disrepared for the judges right there and the referee this guy did it to just not be in that ring.
True, yes, okay yeah! That was weird, that’s not uncommon! In boxing, if you look at the early 1900s late 1880s, all the way up to the 40s or 50s, because a lot of have one like that too.
Who was that? Oh yeah glotta? Did it twice to both and he was beating Bo by a wide margin and Fighters back in the 30s, 40s or 20s and earlier and if they were losing, didn’t want to lose the title and you couldn’t on a DQ, so they would hit the guy low.
I mean mysterious Billy Smith, the world’s first ever welcoming champion from dignity, Nova Scotia.
He had something like 18 disqualifications on his record 13 for low blows and fights he was losing just not losing I’ll hit, the guy low, add wolgast uh, who being that all the time there was a famous the double knockout Grant’s, probably seen the picture.
If they’re lying on the canvas together because he hit he, he hits the Mexican Joe Rivers select the 20th time in the fight deliberately.
Low and rivers connects with the right hand to his jaw and they both go down and after the fight Rivers has a fractured testicle.
So this is ouch in the boxing, but but I was always I remember Gail Clancy saying one time: what do you do if a guy keeps hitting your lobe and the referee doesn’t do anything and he said the ref will never do anything.
The only thing you can do is hit him back low and Canelo did that with uh Matthew, Hatton Ricky hatton’s brother, when he kept hitting him behind the head and hitting him low, and so he started to do it back and that stopped him yeah.
I’M not the case.
Uh FAA jarball landed one in the second round because he had enough yeah and then you know by the fourth.
It was done like he.
Just he blatantly blatantly gave him the Slow blow.
I felt bad for a Jaguar because you know he should have been able to go in there.
You know get have his have his head thinking right.
First of all, yeah get all those shots to the nuts.
You know I don’t know how well I’d be thinking, but man that uh, that was one that should have been talked about, but honestly the Dubois one.
You know that that one definitely took away from from that.
You know with that low blow.
That was huge everybody’s talking about that, but yeah low blow man, it wasn’t a low blow.
It was a good thing.
He lost the fight.
Music is lucky.
I don’t know I disagree with that completely.
I don’t think U6 lucky.
I think you’d said dominated him, and that was a.
It was accidental, but it was definitely a low blow and I think after their doctor confirmed that with the fact that his testicles were extremely swollen and – and you know, if it wasn’t a low blow, he wouldn’t have gone down like that.
You know if you get hit in a solar plexus: it’s not your testicles! That hurt.
If you got hit on the Belt Line and remember the referee said anything above the top of his name, where it says usick anything under that is a low blow.
So you hit him on that belt line.
That’S a low blow.
The referee said that that’s what the rules say: yeah yeah.
I agree with the rules like you just said, but like I said this is boxing: it’s not Tilly Wings.
If you know what I mean yeah, oh, I know it happens all the time it happens in a lot of fights, it’s been happening since I’ve ever watched, fights and I’ll tell you if they stopped every fight, because somebody hit him on the Beltline.
There would be no fights basically yeah, keep it keep in mind what Dubois camp and Dubois said prior to that fight that he intended to win by any means necessary, yeah and, and he came out and said by any means necessary.
So I’m sorry I disagree with you.
Neil I mean it was a low blow.
Yeah yeah.
I thought it was a great punch.
I thought he was done, did it and I that’s what I think and no it was a great low blow yeah.
Well, if I didn’t get a great point, I got ta tell you the story, though there was a fighter years ago named fritzy zivic, who was recognized as a dirty fighter of all time and he had a flat nose.
If you look at him online photos or even sketches, his nose was flat.
He was such a dirty fighter.
He fought a guy named Al bummy, a Jewish fighter in New York, and they told Al Davis.
Before the fight he’s going to bite.
You he’s gon na kick you and knee you he’s gon na thumb.
You and Al said: I’m ready for it, and you know the getting a clinch and and Civic was brilliant at doing it, where the referee couldn’t see it and he leans over and he bites his nose like just teeth mark and his blood coming out and David’s Got so angry, he took a step back and kicked zivic in the nuts Civic fell to the canvas, and then he stomped his head three or four times what he went and got the stove from his corner and started to whack him with it and the riot At St Nicholas, you know, all these people came into the ring and Davis was suspended for life.
But then, a year later, his brothers who were part of murder Incorporated, went to a visit to New York, State athletic commission and the ban was lifted and and Civic to his credit, said hey.
You know what I found them in the nose.
I need them in the nuts and I I or in the eye from them and I bit his nose.
My teeth marks are still there, so I I kind of deserve that, but so this this is nothing new in boxing you know, but what I wanted to ask scram.
What was the deal with? What did Ben Shalom say about uh, uh, Eddie, Hearn, Eddie Hearn, so upset that that’s a really that’s a really good question.
I’Ve got uh seven or eight different uh Eddie Hearns stories lined up okay, Ben’s, not one of them.
Quite frankly, oh okay um, but it it’s been an interesting week, uh in boxing, quite frankly within the industry yeah, because you’ve got uh.
What’S his name uh, I can’t remember his first name: Shar uh, oh manual, Char, yeah, the big name, the the the um, the heavyweight, the regular heavyweight champion.
That’S ridiculous, totally ridiculous! Sorry, someone’s going to say something mentally disabled heavyweight, champ, actually impaired, heavyweight, champ yeah right.
I I mean this one’s ridiculous right, so so yes, it’s been a huge debate, uh between fans uh online about you know why? Don’T we just remove that title? Air quotes and that’s what they should do yeah and then the uh manual chart is he’s not going to make any difference in the heavyweight division quite frankly, but within that heavyweight division.
There have been some uh good stories to report this past week.
Uh with respect, especially with respect to top rank, I mean I, I know we all kind of don’t really like Bob arum at the end of the day, but whoever else is managing that company is signing a lot of really great Fighters and uh and among them Are in some new heavyweights that uh will be fight, so I’m just saying man: this has been an ongoing debate between us, but uh.
The heavyweights in America are really Rising.
Um internally, shall we say in America, uh and the English tend to ignore.
All this I mean you, you’ve got uh what we’ve got Zhang and Joe Joyce coming up pretty soon: yeah, yeah, right and and yeah.
It’S English you’re, always like that yeah! You know English.
Always you watch these English announcers and you think.
What are you watching? Yeah? Exactly you know you guys, like dropped a second time.
Well, that wasn’t a legitimate knockdown.
It’S the second knock down to the chin that he got.
I mean how can you you just can’t believe what you’re hearing from right, so I was very, it was very interesting to watch the progression of stories this week, uh with respect to um like who’s, actually doing something, I’m talking specifically about the heavyweights, but who’s actually Doing something in the division to shake things up so to speak, right and uh, and and who is not, and quite frankly, what is matroom doing I mean at the um.
No, I don’t hate to say it I’ll say it.
Ed hearing is out there defending uh uh.
What are they called Nevada? Whatever that drugs Association is over in England, you know yeah yeah started in States, but yeah.
If I had a voluntary, so he he he’s had three Fighters that I can name.
You know uh, who are who are now up on these uh.
You know trying to clear their name.
Quite frankly, and – and yet here here is uh – I think it was because was it helenius? Was he making the comments because of melanius but anyway Elite a bomb, Gardener and right? So so here here you go, you’ve got match, matchroom’s got there.
I hate to say it, but are they really just feeding these guys? Here’S what you’re going to say when you get caught if you get caught, here’s what you’re gon na say I didn’t.
I didn’t do it.
I didn’t do it.
You know, but we all know from Ben Johnson’s case that you know at the end of the day.
Hey well: how about Lance Armstrong? Remember him oh good point, but it’s what we said before science and math don’t lie.
You don’t have to like me, but two plus two equals four, whether you like me or not, or whatever, whoever you’re going to vote for and Graham has a bang on.
You know the only my father would tell me and I’m sure we all heard this from parents, but my father would say uh if you get caught lying, just admit it and don’t do it again, stop saying I’m sorry stop telling it just say I got caught.
I was wrong, I’m guilty, I’m sorry, I won’t do it again, but he can’t do that.
He keeps doing it and we’re saying earlier.
Graham, you got one fighter caught once over a 10-year period.
You may have some wiggle room three guys three people within less than a year that we know of that’s.
That’S that’s a problem right right, you know, so is that an insinuation Lou that there’s some sort of conspiracy involved with them uh letting their Fighters uh, knowingly, use the uh performance, enhancing drugs and actually they’re.
Actually, I would say it’s maximum policy to give their Fighters Advantage any way they can and one of the ways to do it is um yeah, it’s through performance, enhancing drugs.
What makes me laugh is they’re not good at it they’re inapp, because they keep getting caught exactly there’s a way to do it and then the right time to do it, where you don’t get caught, because, regardless of how Savvy that or anyone else is and catches Drugs, there’s always more people out there, inventing better drugs and knowing how to beat the system, but apparently Eddie heard won’t pay those people yeah.
That’S it right there guys they.
They actually create better things to mask things, and you know they’ll say: oh, I use this specific toothpaste it on a cold medication or whatever right, Canelo blamed it on food.
He didn’t know had drugs in it right, yeah, okay, you know it’s like it’s like going on a subway car drunk and swinging a bottle.
At someone saying I didn’t realize there were other people on subway cars.
Exactly there, you go whatever you’re responsible under the law.
In Canada States Britain anywhere you’re responsible for what goes into your own body, it’s that simple you’re responsible to suggest that I didn’t do it.
Someone else gave it to me.
Well, I went out to have that’s ridiculous, so yeah, you know it’s funny.
Out of all of this, though, is that so Eddie Hearn wants helenius to go toe-to-toe with you sick.
That’S the funny thing that comes out of all this.
Are you kidding me? I’M not kidding you, that’s that’s what Eddie here at a recent press conference out of here and said.
You know that that’s who should music should be fighting helenius wow, so yeah Eddie Hearns of I was going to say.
Is you need a brain transplant at the same time or what is he really that’s the point his Fighters get hit, but he’s got the brain damage.
His father had class he’s got none no class he’s just looking at the almighty Buck Helen is, doesn’t go the distance even remotely.
So what would you like? The new uh he’s, the English Dawn King? Is that what we’re calling him now, the English Dante? Has he killed anybody recently, Lou that you know of? Maybe no, but you never know you know Don.
We all know about the you know Dawn right right, the dawn.
Well, there is one more.
There is boxing on tomorrow guys that we are gon na watch.
We all know Eubank Smith, great undercard, by the way, yeah great great, undercut um.
You know guys this one big one.
I saw the first one.
I don’t even think there should be a rematch to be honest, but you know I agree.
This is this.
Is this? Is the Brita? This is a great example of the British thinking they rule boxing.
Okay did like, like you know what Smith Smith woofed his ass.
Let’S, let’s be real yeah, just wait back in that was asked Mike what yeah he did.
Yeah whooped his ass Mike your bang on, and it was a definitive knockout.
It wasn’t close.
It was definitive, even the old shiver.
No man listen.
I don’t know the previous Face-Off was back.
In January, we witnessed Smith with two spectacular knockdowns uh.
He brought that energetic brawl to a halt.
Just one minute into the fourth round.
Uh Eubank Junior was unsatisfied with the referee’s decision and you know uh.
He wanted to overturn his defeat so he’s here to rematch this.
He doesn’t believe that you know uh that it was the way that we all saw it, because I don’t know the fight that I watched personally.
Yeah Smith brought it to him and and brought it to him, and – and you know you Banks, it wasn’t disputed yeah, it doesn’t matter if you win every round beforehand.
That makes no difference in boxing no man, you know what you could dominate a hockey game for four overtime periods, but if the other two stories you still lose, he may have dominated the first cup of rounds.
He got knocked out.
Knockouts are definitive if it’s a controversial split decision, then you have an argument and and and and Eubank said well.
I wasn’t satisfied with the referee decision, but you know what who cares? What you’re satisfied with the Refuge detection doesn’t referee doesn’t care whether you’re satisfied or not.
You got job twice.
If you weren’t satisfied, then don’t get knocked down and knocked out, then rally and beat the man you couldn’t do it.
You don’t have the skill set and you’re gon na get beat worse tomorrow, yeah yeah, he is yeah yeah, whatever you guys think yep, oh yeah, second time around here on the uh side of the world on the undercard, I got ta talk about it um.
You know we got two belts also up for grabs here.
We got.
You know the British super middle.
We got the Commonwealth super middle uh, Mark Heffron is taking on Jack Cullen uh also on the undercard Adam azim is on this one.
He’S eight note looking to keep that you know undefeated record he’s taking on Aram uh finen uh who’s 23 and one.
So this is a you know, a little step up fight for him, Frazier Clark’s on it, taking on David Allen, uh.
You know Michaela mayor taking on Sylvia uh and uh Lauren price.
Also on the card love this girl man, 4-0 uh she’s, taking on uh.
I think it’s lalota Museum and Frankie Stringer is on it uh, taking on uh Engel Gomez and Florian markovan love this kid Valerian, Marco uh, dillian, Moran uh.
I think this one’s the opening fight yeah.
It is yeah yeah, Florian, Marco, this guy, the Albanian King uh.
You know he’s also friends with Rashad mati we’ve had Matty on on the show before or you know these guys got a huge following uh this guy’s great to watch.
Man really really energetic, really exciting fighter, there’s so many great young fighters in every division yeah.
It brings me to tears because when, when people talk about the sport of boxing and and as compared to UFC or whatever I or people say hey, you know what fighter should I watch? I I’ll just say you know what turn on a card somewhere there’s going to be someone great on it.
That’Ll just blow your mind away, oh yeah from all over the world.
I built my whole show off that video for following these kids and and putting them out there, and now these kids, which you tune into the show, because the where are they now is going to start or not go up.
Where I’m going to show you where these kids are now that I talked about two years ago, you know headlining cards right now, still undefeated, you know wearing belts wearing multiple boats.
These these guys been the future of boxing, is to hear today.
It’S already here.
You just got to open up your eyes and watch, and you know what watch my show and I’ll show you who to watch.
So you don’t have to worry.
That’S one of the things I love about.
Your show.
The most is because in two three four years from now you’re gon na say no, no, no, no! You can’t say he came out of nowhere because four years ago I said to you, he was going to be a world champion Undisputed.
I told you that, and what you’re saying now to me is what should be said to the media, not just here, but in the states and all over the world you’re ignoring something great going on.
You know, and these are Fighters that count and deserve to be known and deserve to be remembered.
Yeah yeah, there’s some great ones, absolutely you know and their name, their names are coming up through those through those rankings.
People are starting to hear them.
You know that that that that Phantom – oh – what about this guy? What about this guy? Who is that right right, this guy, this guy was dangerous two years ago, now he’s a lot better and even more dangerous.
And now these guys are now you know getting signed to the big guys.
You know top ranked Golden Boy match room, oh yeah, you know and then and they’re, starting to you know, they’re starting to show that they’re they’re exactly what I said.
They were going to be champs.
This reminds me in the early 90s, when Angelo Dundee called me and said: there’s a young kid named Costa Sue who’s, a Mongol, Mongolian fighting out of Australia.
You got to watch this kid.
He is not he’s, unlike anything you’ve ever seen before, and boy was he ever.
Oh yeah now we’re watching his kid.
I love his kids.
Actually, no yeah yeah, I think I think Zoo will be, would destroy Charlo and I think canelo’s gon na destroy Charlo and I want Charlo to be destroyed because when he went for the Spence Crawford fight there was a 65-7 year old woman.
On the floor, I mentioned this, who was saying: can I see your tickets I’ll, show you to your seat and he physically shoved her, that’s no class, that’s a bum right wow! You know and Spence Crawford today agreed to a rematch, yep and people keep saying.
I can’t this is Russell Pals, the Hall of Fame promoter posted today, Russell Pelt said I’m so I’m so sick of all this online revisionist history, but young kids, who know nothing about boxing, keep it to yourself and and everyone posted well Spencer.
When, because it’s at 154 and only one person, I saw posted sorry uh Crawford won last time, he decides to weight class, not Spence, Crawford decides and he’ll, probably pick 147.
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Yes, pets can’t make that weight and he got.
He took a severe beating last time.
He’Ll end it it’ll be ended.
His career will be done after this yeah, I’m pretty sure, uh, because that rematch clause has been initiated now, uh that eliminates Crawford from tackling whoever’s going to win that Canelo fight.
So and quite frankly, I don’t think he’d be able to gain what move up to 156 or something there’s no way 154, but he talked about fighting Canelo at 168.
That’S a 21 pound right! So that’s impossible! I mean I could gain that much weight, but I couldn’t fight it’s not impossible.
Roy Jones Jr did it Graham.
I could lose that weight and still not be able to fight yeah.
I’M not I’m not saying it’s impossible uh, but I I’d be curious to see uh if canel can win.
First of all I mean he’s just at that age.
I mean he’s done a lot.
He’S he’s done.
That’S fine, but I mean everyone argues left right and Center.
How he’s picked his successfully picked his opponents based on their Styles, fine, fair enough at the end of the day, could he build? Could he beat uh Terence Crawford at the end of the day? I’M not so sure, but the question is, is: can Terence Crawford build up that muscle and and go fight him as Lou says at like 168 or whatever like and and my answer is no it’s not it’s not going to happen so so we we anyway, it Won’T happen because uh, you know the truth.
You know Errol Spence uh has has initiated that rematch clause, so wow yeah.
I I see so many things on on the internet.
Like someone said, I love to see uh Javonte Davis take on Arthur bitter BF and I thought so would Arthur bitter be if, but I I you know, I think the 45 50 pound weight difference would probably be like.
The the everybody like tank Davis is a tiny guy yeah any guy in a great fighter, yeah a great fighter, tiny guy, though tiny guy yeah, you know he’s not a six foot dude walking around here.
No and a lot of these guys Willie Pep.
You know Michael carbajal, Scotty Olsen a lot of these guys when you meet him in person they’re, not that big, as opposed to when you meet a George, Foreman or or back then Norton or alley.
Then you look up and you go my God he’s big yeah.
You know, but yeah those lower weight classes.
These are all tiny guys yeah.
You know they just I mean chocolatito’s, a tiny guy, just an all-time great yeah yeah.
No, exactly they look bigger.
They look bigger like everything on stage.
If you know what I’m saying right, you’re watching and say yeah, you know, oh that guy’s, you know when you’re actually standing beside them or you’re in the same vicinity of them.
You’Re thinking wow this guy’s like a horse jockey or something right well, when, when people that one of my heroes was Art, hafey knocked out, Reuben Oliveira’s, who I consider the the greatest band on weight of all time, along with Carlos serrati and and art, was a Feather and so people meet art all the time.
Art was rated number one in the world above the world champion who wouldn’t fight him as a featherweight in the 70s and and people say.
Oh, I Met Art and Halifax a couple months ago.
He’S like what six two I said, he’s five three, five: four, no, no he’s six two and I said Fighters project bigger because of who they are and what they do, but Art’s a tiny little guy.
He just happened to be able to punch like a middleweight weighing 125 pounds.
You know he he put a lot of guys in the hospital because he was a tremendous puncher, but yeah these guys are are are tiny, a lot of them, but it’s a skill, not the size of the guy.
It’S the size of the fighting, the guy, not the size of the guy in the fight did.
Did you happen to notice the news out of Montreal? I know I know we’ve spoken about the Montreal boxing scene before, but in particular I have the tiger management.
Uh.
Have signed yet another russian-born Olympian to their roster? I don’t know if you guys know it’s that or not it kind of slid under the radar yeah Iman karyav uh he’s three.
Now I mean nothing to scream or shout about, but at the end of the day, it’s interesting what eye of the tiger is doing um on under the radar.
I I like Mary Spencer and I hope she does well with eye of the tiger.
I mean that’s where it ends for me, but uh.
I I do like what I the tiger are doing, they’re kind of shaking things up, I mean we were talking about better BF before and at the end of the day, I’m saying to myself.
Wow I mean, I wonder, and then lo and behold I go inside another russian-born Boxer.
So so anyway, they know talent and they have Mark Ramsey there yeah and often they have Russ Amber and they know what they’re doing yep and they’re developing a lot of talent.
Don’T they have that? Guy, Graham who I mentioned, I saw recently uh the big Russian heavyweight who was Mike what’s his name again Mike oh um, yeah, um yeah, and he he beat that uh Nigerian guy in like three rounds.
That sounds like a curse word in some languages.
The way that guy the way that guy moves across the ring.
Yes, it’s just he’s he’s like a he’s like just a giant rugby player, you know he’s got this he’s got the speed and you know kind of like a Joe Joyce should be the same kind of style.
You know that that explosive powerness being able to move that big 270 pounds across the ring real, quick, the guy, just swarmed you and you can’t stop a guy like that.
You know it’s hard to fight a guy who who can outweigh you.
You know Tower over.
You and you know lean on you when he gets tired so and you never know yeah yeah he’s just too he’s he’s too fast.
Joe Joyce was a good case in point.
He he’s very static as a fighter and he fought the wrong fight against Zhang yeah.
He needs to move more, but I don’t know if, because he’s much older, if that’s really possible, because I know Tim if he was here – would disagree but not at not what droids has shown us so far.
He can’t move like that.
That’S just not him! He showed that he has speed, though in his hands when he wants it like yeah he wants when he wants, he can unload.
You know eight nine, ten, twelve punches, no problem, and it’s it’s almost like his.
His whole game plan is like reserving the tank, because when you see him at the end of a fight whether you know it goes the distance or not it’s very rare, do you see that guy profusely sweating? It’S just like you know, a small little bead on his forehead.
He looks like he just went a sparring session.
He could go.
A couple of more rounds looks like he could go another fight.
Sometimes you know.
Sometimes I think it’s it’s just his game plan.
The way he wants to draw it out, but if he was able to put that kind of you know, speed and ferociousness behind you know cutting that ring off and and really bearing down on these guys that guy would be unstoppable.
He’S got ta.
I agree ahead of granite.
Like you can’t you know, you can’t do anything you can do.
The only thing he can do is make his eye close and and disqualify him, because you know I haven’t seen him in too much trouble.
No, I’ve never seen him get staggered even and I and you and I we’ve all seen him – take hella shots to the chin yeah and he just you know, shrugs It Off keeps coming forward.
I mean Dubois, really tagged him yeah just kept coming forward.
If, if he can just put little movement in there to go along with that, you know and especially get his head off the line, you know and really give him much better advantage in the ring, definitely definitely uh.
There was a fight uh this afternoon as well.
Uh besides the Dina Thorson card uh, there was also the uh Arthur sarasgaard Lyndon King Arthur Brian Shiraz.
Uh wanted to let you guys know: uh Shiraz failed to make weight and could not win the title and uh.
Well, honestly, I’m just gon na.
Let you guys know man Arthur Arthur K, Odom, so oh yeah Arthur took him down.
Eh Arthur K owed him so uh.
That’S how that one ended out.
There’S some uh Young up-and-comers on this one.
The undercard was full of guys who were literally like sub 10.
Fights uh opening up with Alex Murphy, who is 8-0 uh and honestly we got uh Cody Smith, Ashley, uh, Maron and uh Neil Phil Felding they’re, all like two three fights under their belts: they’re, the fun ones to watch.
You know the guys you get in there and uh.
Just you know the gifts they’re all because they’re trying to you know trying to impress and then uh Ben marksby was also on this one.
Taking on Jordan, Elson uh marksby penalized points for low blows in rounds.
Three and four and uh March B, still came out with the points run on that one.
So yeah, you know not making weights a lack of discipline yeah and it there’s no excuse for that.
I mean if you can’t make that weight limit, then move up.
But if you can, there’s no excuse for not making it and especially, and especially like this – is for the vacant belt, especially when you got you’re 18 and one you’ve done this 19 times already.
There’S no excuse there should be no excuse why you’re missing weight in a championship, fight like you’re fighting for a belt.
That’S that’s! It’S completely irresponsible! As a professional athlete to be honest with you did not make weight that just don’t make money.
Are you in the fight or you’re not in the fight? Well, obviously, you’re not you’re, not even getting fight.
Now for the title right in this.
In the 1960s and 70s George chevalo’s time Fighters were always in shape because you never knew when a fight was going to fall in your lap right.
You never knew when somebody would call and say hey.
I got a title shot for you in five weeks and they still do that now.
Yeah, fighting people off and say: hey, I need two months or three: no, you got five weeks, that’s it, and so it pays if you’re a professional fighter.
That’S your job! Your job is to be at your weight in shape all the time.
Well, I saw something recently guys that was pretty freaking Mike.
You probably know about this because you know – and Lou probably does too but Mike Tyson fought 15 times in the first year of his career and there’s a bunch of other big older era, uh Fighters that guys were fighting 15 17 18, almost 20 fights a year.
Now we’d be lucky to see these guys, maybe once or twice as you know, Lou and you know what Mike Tyson just he fought 15 times in his first professional season of pro boxing.
So there was, I don’t know he mostly fought stiffs, but he still was in there fighting Harry grab the great middleweight and light heavyweight champion uh near the end of his career, was averaging 41 fights a month and what he was blind at two and eight well.
At least one a night yeah, he was blind in one eye and the early 1900s late, 1800s early 1900s uh.
The capital of boxing was not New York or England or Vegas.
It was Winnipeg Manitoba Canada, because you could get a boxing license there to put a show on anywhere.
There were no rules, and so Fighters came from all over the world to Winnipeg because rather than fighting you know once a month, you could fight three four times a week every week, and so consequently guys got really good really quickly, and so then they could move Down to the States and take the big money so today guys don’t fight, often enough, but then you know I mean usic’s fighting a lot.
Jared Anderson is fighting a lot and um yeah I mean some guys still do and Tyson was the anomaly yeah.
There’S a big list there, sorry guys, but if you have Graham or one of you guys, I might be able to find them.
Let’S talk about it later, but I was surprised that those guys they get on that list all know actually.
5.
15 to 20 fights a year for the first two, even two years of their career, that would be like 40 fights and then all of a sudden you’re.
In what five title fights I guess or what you know what I mean.
Well: here’s something for you from 1887 George Dixon, the first black man from Nova Scotia ever to want to wear a boxing title.
I I I he died in 1908.
He fought to 1906.
.
He had 800 fights most most of it listed most of it’s listed on.
Boxrec is like just over 100, and I thought how.
Why would they say this? So I did research.
I’Ve been doing a lot of research on them uh for a long time.
What would happen with him was he would go to a city and say I’ll, take on all comers tonight in sixth round or four round matches, so five people would sign up to fight him and if you went more often around you got fifty dollars, but also When he was in New York and he fought a fight, he wanted to make more money.
So he knocked a guy out and then that night he traveled 10 miles to Binghamton or somewhere else and he’d fight under another name make more money.
And so all right.
You know some of these guys are fighting five six times a week and a guy like Dixon was smart enough to know.
I’M the best at my weight in the world at featherweight, but my career is no career, is a long career, so I got ta make as much as I can, while I can plus being black as manager taking most of his money.
So he would do this.
A lot a lot of guys back then had a lot more fights than we know of that are recorded, and the reasons they’re not in the newspaper is because boxing was illegal, then in Most states in all over Canada.
So if a newspaper covered it, you could get arrested, so it’s very difficult back then only the police Gazette covered it.
So, like guys, you look at a guy like Julio Cesar Chavez, senior right.
She have a senior right, okay, so Floyd Mayweather’s.
What the best boxer of all time, apparently whatever they say well, which is a complete crock of whatever you want to call it, but uh Chavez was 89-0, as we know, Lou right, yeah, 189-0, that’s 49-0, 89-0 right, but in Mexico, as you know, things are completely Different down there right, you know what I mean, those guys were fighting sometimes, and I I did a few shows on it: they’ve been fighting in grocery stores, Lou, they were fighting with back alleys, they were fighting uh, makeshift uh fights on the you know and uh A piece of dirty land or somewhere out somewhere on a you, know a farm or something, and these these all these fights were never documented.
Do you understand right because they just didn’t, have the uh? You know the facility to do that, and so these guys who were like Chavez, who’s 89-0.
Apparently, what do you have like a hundred Knockouts or something eventually over 100, something crazy right yeah? He actually had probably 30 or 40 fights more, maybe more, but they were never documented.
It’S a lot of myth about him.
He did have an amateur career, not a long one uh his family.
I spoke to Bernard as soon about this.
His family lived in a boxcar uh, an abandoned Boxcar for freight train and his older brother’s boxed and the family was starving, so he turned out.
He turned pro at 16 or 17 because I needed the money yeah and yeah.
He learned on the job through you know, experience, but that was not uncommon for Mexican Fighters and for a lot of Fighters.
Ricardo mayorkra who’s Nicaraguan lived in a hole in the side of a mountain because he was there’s no such thing as government assistance in Nicaragua.
Yeah, that’s it that’s what I’m saying so it just.
You know we hear all these things about.
You know this guy, this guy’s, you know pound for pound the best fighter of all time, and this is Chavez senior who have unblemished records of 89-0 until they lost a fight.
You know what I’m saying so that, but they don’t get the same recognition as a guy like Floyd, Mayweather and I’ll.
Just never understand that.
Well, the thing that confuses me uh is when I read about a fight I’ll read about the original Jack Dempsey, the middleweight champ, and he fought this.
This torontonian George full jammies, and he and – and he knocked him out in 18 rounds – I can’t find it anywhere.
I can’t find it on a box rack.
I can’t find it on each individual’s record.
I found some contemporary reports in the United States from the newspapers, but not in Toronto.
You know that the fight and then that BoxRec says the fight was rumored.
So we don’t know if it came off, but the newspaper reporters that were there said it did come off.
So it’s hard to play one way or the other, and that’s even up to today we there’s some fights on cheval’s record.
Where you look on BoxRec and they’ll say we don’t know if this fight actually occurred or not yeah yeah.
When I asked George 10 years ago, he said I can’t remember to be honest with you.
Well yeah yeah.
There were some interesting things that uh uh jila Zhang said.
I just want to backtrack just a second here uh, because he held a press conference in New York City this past week with respect to his upcoming fight against Joe Joyce, and you guys had mentioned earlier uh Joe Joyce, and whether he could move or not.
But the point matter is: is Yang basically a brief update on his training camp and he said you know, Joyce is so active and he hits hard.
But when it comes to sparring he this is what Zhang said.
I’M working with Alonzo Neal, who throws more punches than Joyce Dimitri bizos, who hits harder than Joyce and Marius walk who’s 300 pounds and bigger than Joyce so keep in mind.
Alonzo Neal is the 2023 National goal and gloves finalist Bezos is a 10-1 professional fighter and walk is, as we know, well-respected veteran who challenged you know, former champ uh Vladimir Klitschko and shared the ring with contenders uh Gerald Miller, Alexander fighting these guys on various levels, Because he knows who he’s up against and I just don’t think Joyce takes it – I’m not gon na say he takes it seriously, but you don’t hear anything like that from Joyce’s camp.
In other words, you know I mean and then and the British wonder why Joyce got beaten in the first place.
Why? Because this boy’s Yang he’s not he’s he’s not he’s not stupid, he’s not just a big dumb heavyweight.
This guy is, he knows what he’s doing and he’s been trained.
Well, he’s calculated moves that the entire Camp is making yeah and Zang zang’s got two billion people.
He can’t let down, because he would disgrace his people.
He and the way he feels I’d rather dive.
In blues, I cannot lose, he almost died in that one fight.
His kidneys were shutting down.
Remember yeah, you had to be dragged out of the ring.
He was so dead.
Was it against her herkovic or her girlfriend or whoever was that he’d be, but he didn’t get the decision yeah and – and they just ripped them off on that, but but Joyce doesn’t seem to be a wan na.
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