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EPISODE: Episode 1
In this electrifying episode of “No Punches Pulled with No Mercy,” host Brooke “No Mercy” Dierdorff-Millbrook sits down for a live and exclusive interview with the iconic Roy Jones Jr. Prepare to be amazed as we delve into the remarkable journey of a boxer who defied all odds. Roy Jones Jr. is a living legend, having held world championships in an astonishing four weight classes—middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight, and even heavyweight. As the only fighter to commence his professional career as a light middleweight and ascend to heavyweight glory, Jones’s legacy is one for the ages.
Join us as we explore his captivating tale, from his controversial silver medal win at the 1988 Summer Olympics to his unmatched triumphs in the ring. Discover the secrets behind his exceptional hand speed, athleticism, footwork, explosiveness, and incredible reflexes that made him one of the greatest pound-for-pound boxers in history. Learn about his historic victories, including his mesmerizing WBA heavyweight title win in 2003—an achievement no former middleweight champion had accomplished in over a century.
Roy Jones Jr.’s impact on the world of boxing is undeniable. With a record-breaking 12 wins in unified light heavyweight title bouts, he’s etched his name in the annals of the sport’s history. Ranked by BoxRec as the 29th greatest pound-for-pound fighter ever, Jones has claimed numerous accolades, including Fighter of the Year honors and multiple Best Boxer ESPY Awards.
Tune in to witness a rare conversation with the living legend himself, as he shares insights, stories, and the wisdom gained from a remarkable career that spanned over three decades. This episode is a must-watch for boxing enthusiasts, sports aficionados, and anyone who appreciates the extraordinary journey of a true champion. Don’t miss out on this exclusive interview that reveals the man behind the legacy.
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What’S up what’s up everybody, it’s your girl, no mercy here, it’s Tuesday night! So you already know what time it is.
It’S time for no punches pulled with me, of course, no mercy.
Some of you probably already know who I am those of you that are new today.
Thank you for joining me.
I’M your host Brooke Millbrook, formally known in the fight business, is Brooke no mercy deardorff.
I’M a retired professional boxer held the WBC lightweight title I until I retired, and it was inducted into the international women’s Boxing Hall of Fame.
Last year, I’ve been through some good.
Some bad and, of course, a lot of BS in the sport of women’s boxing.
You all know how it is welcome to my platform, but this is where we talk the talk and walk the walk.
We bring out the truth in women’s boxing, but today y’all.
I don’t know if you guys saw it but we’re switching it up a little bit.
Um I’m having my first mailboxer on the show um.
I know I always do just females, but I could not turn down the opportunity to have this special guest with us today.
My boxing sister Sharon anyos, when I had her on insisted that I have uh this guest here today with us and he happily agreed.
So I appreciate him taking the time of his busy schedule to join us, but we’ve got uh.
Y’All must have forgot, but I haven’t forgotten who it is, but Roy Jones Jr in the building, um ride or die fan, been a ride or die fan since day.
One um through all the highs and lows of his career, always been there um.
My husband and I are he’s one of our favorites so um.
If I, if I get a little nervous y’all, don’t worry about it, I’m nervous to speak to him.
So if y’all got a question, shoot him in there, but I got a good list of questions for him, um, probably needing no introductory but amateur.
He represented the USA in the 1988 Summer.
Olympic is winning the light.
Middleweight silver medal after one of the most controversial decisions in boxing history held multiple World titles in four different weight classes, including middleweight super middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight.
He is the only boxer in history to start his professional career at light middleweight and go up to win a heavyweight title he’s known for possessing exceptional hand, speed athleticism, footwork, explosive punching power movement and his amazing reflexes.
He holds the record for the most wins in unified light heavyweight title belts in boxing history at 12.
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He was named fighter of the Year by Ring magazine in 94 and the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 2003, he’s a three-time winner of the best boxer Espy award in 96 2003.
The boxing writer Association America named him fighter of the decade for the 90s and having boxed over 40 years.
He holds the record for the longest pro career of any heavyweight boxing champion he’s faced the best of the best y’all already know.
I don’t even have to tell you not to mention, has some of the best songs ever with his rapping skills and is even dabbing, acting as well as commentating and training Fighters.
The list goes on and on y’all help me welcome in Roy Jones Jr to the show.
How are you I’m good, how y’all doing good good? Thank you.
I appreciate you taking it.
I got you okay, sorry about it, yeah, I’m so good.
Thank you guys for having me it’s one honor and a pleasure to be on your show anytime, you’re, a friend of sharing you’re automatically a friend of mine.
So, thank you so much for having me thanks for all the kind words and thank you and your husband for always being loyal, fam.
Yes, I appreciate it yeah she when I had her on a few weeks ago, I interviewed Sharon um, and she just kept like you got ta have Roy on.
I’M like Roy is not gon na come on my show.
What are you talking about and she’s like? Yes, he will I’m like you ask him.
Let me know um so yeah, it’s it’s an honor to have you here.
I’Ve always wanted to meet you one day, hopefully in person, but we’ll see how that goes.
Thank you um.
So, first off, can you just take us back to the beginning? I mean I know all about your whole entire career, but can you tell us about Little Roy, your childhood, what actually LED you to boxing uh? Well, actually, let me to boxing work, my dad’s um.
He was so overwhelmed by the way that Muhammad Ali performed, so I happen to be watching a fight with him one night and I somehow caught up into Muhammad Ali.
He was so I said you know.
If someone teaches me how to throw my hands, I can do what Muhammad Ali is doing, because basically he’s upsetting his opponent, yeah, getting them mad enough to kill him, he’s staying calm and having fun doing it and he’s beating them.
So if somebody teaches me how to use my hands, I can do the rest and that’s what led me to buy all right all right.
That’S good um, yeah, Muhammad Ali, your time, your idol, I’m sure um, very similar Styles, though I can’t, even I can’t even deny it um.
I can’t even deny it um Amazon as an amateur, though you racked up a record of 121 and 13, which damn I only have 15 amateur fights.
You know how it was for women back.
Then it wasn’t easy um.
Nobody would fight me no more! So I’m like well, I guess I’m a GoPro.
Let’S Do It um I mean you probably don’t know who I am but I mean I did my thing for a little while I know I love you, I know.
Have you heard a lot about you and congratulations on becoming a world champion or anybody that can set out in boxing and become a world champion? You have to be pretty good.
It takes a lot of hard work.
It takes dedication, it takes faith in God and faith in yourself and if you can’t have those things, I don’t care who you are where you are where you’re from.
If you don’t have those things, it’s gon na be almost impossible to become a world champion.
So for you to dedicate your life to boxing and become a world champion, it says a lot about you.
I don’t care who you are.
I appreciate that.
Well I beat a friend I mean I could guess you would consider a friend Mia, St John.
That’S why yeah yeah and they beat me.
Yes, I heard about that twice um but um.
You won the silver medal title in many different tournaments, but you represented USA at the eight at the 1988 Olympic Games.
Being the youngest wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Wait wait, wait, wait, wait! Wait! You got ta change that I ain’t winning Olympic.
I ain’t went on Silver medal.
You know a bunch of tournaments.
I want gold medal at most tournaments yeah robbed up a full metal in the solo Olympic Games.
You want gold medals in most every tournament I performed in yeah, I lost very few tournaments.
So yes, I was popular for gold, mother and soul career, but I’m not winning a bunch of silver medals.
I don’t settle for silver so easily, so don’t know.
I meant you on the silver at the Olympics.
Many tournaments um, youngest member, though on the USA, olympic team um took silver in one of the most controversial decisions ever in boxing history.
Um, you didn’t lose a single round, though, in route to the finals.
I lost two to three to park in the in the finals, but it’s it’s been reported that Park apologized afterwards and even the referee told you he couldn’t believe they were doing this.
Is that true story like tell us what actually happened? That’S exactly happen when I was when I went back out there.
I told my coach.
I looked at my coach in the car after they got me, it was a first little Council table of Koreans.
Cheering.
I already got me.
I said what you mean.
I said they got me, and reference said I, if they’re doing doing this, I I can’t believe they’re doing this to you like yesterday already got me and she already said, and they winner All Points three two I knew it was over and they gave it to Him yeah, Shame, Shame um, but I know you’ve said in the past, though, that you see it as a blessing now like that helped you pave the way for your rest of your career.
It definitely, it definitely was a blessing because had I not went through that experience, I probably would never have become the champion that I came because the way that I was taught the way that I was raised up that end time.
There’S adversity you take that adversity and you turn into something good so by God, giving me that adversity early.
That meant that God must must have wanted me with a different mind frame as a professional boxer.
You know, let me just be another professional boxer.
He wanted me to go far and beyond my own expectations.
I didn’t know that at the time, but I quickly realized that once I got back home right, true story, true story, um, a quick question from a guest we got Eddie Barrington, don’t be so hard on yourself, you’re a world champion.
I appreciate you Eddie.
I know I am the shit’s behind me on the wall um, but uh.
He wants to know.
If Roy could do one thing to help women’s boxing for the better.
What would you do become a photo, a motor amount strictly, just probably women.
It would be bad.
Be hard but you promote strictly women and you get the women to understand that there has to be build up to make the fight, and we can’t have women fighting that really aren’t that good, because if you’re, not that good, you need to fight other women.
That aren’t that good until you learn how to defend yourself, do you know how to box at an appropriate level? Because what turns people off most of the time? Because you have one woman, that’s really really good and you have another woman that really can’t defend themselves.
Nobody wants to respect people have a few competitions, so we got to figure out a way to if you don’t.
I know it’s not a lot of women that box or where it wasn’t in the past.
But it’s a lot more now, but in the past was very hard.
Like you said you get 15 fights.
Nobody wants to fight you anymore, because you’re experiencing you know what you’re doing now.
Yeah some people take it serious.
Some people don’t so it’s a lot more difficult for a woman to get the amount of price that a man gets because of the levels of competition.
But we still got to try to bring those levels of competition closer, even if we have to conversate for it.
With weight yeah very true, yeah yeah – and that was the most frustrating part for me like in my time, with the fights that were being televised as women.
They were trash and I’m like that just makes us look bad like out there yeah that hurt the sport, because there were enough good players and, like you, saw one of the best fights period that I’ve seen was uh Katie Taylor and the mini surrender yeah.
I don’t care what what they are, that was uh.
That was one hell of a boxing match yeah, but these were two women who were on the same level.
Yes, on the same Pantheon as a matter of fact, Serrano came up a week class or two to meet Katie, so it’s like they sacrificed the weight to make the fight, but the fight turned out to be one of the most awesome fights of all time.
Male or female, but that’s what we got to have more of and, like I said, sometimes we got ta, make the adjustment with the weight with the weight, so they can meet at a comfortable pace for both Pilots, but because there’s not as many women boxers as There are men men we got to do something to make it happen.
Yeah yeah I mean that I like in my career.
I started out at featherweight 126.
I went as low as 122, but I went all the way up to 135 to win the title because that’s where the fights were so how it is.
Sometimes you just got to do it.
You just got ta.
Do it um before we get, though, into your pro career, the most important question that I have to ask, and I don’t think anybody has ever asked you before, is why, in the heck, did you stop making Roy Jones Jr boxing shoes? That is the only shoe.
I ever wore in my entire life.
I have every single color.
My husband has every single color.
Why did you stop making the shoes I didn’t stop making it? I was sponsored by brand Jordan.
They made the shoot.
I even contacted them not long ago and asked me if I could get the rights to it, so I can start by remaking it yeah like no, what the hell, Michael Jordan, if you are watching this, show Junior’s shoes back and it was good yeah every color.
I never found anything else.
That’S awesome! That’S why you’re a winner! That’S why I was a winner because I had the damn shoes on it was the shoes and that’s so funny.
Yeah, no he’s like you have to ask him about the shoes I’m like.
I will ask him about the shoes um yeah we’re gon na have to make that happen, because you know I need to start working out again.
I need the shoes there we go.
No, I still got all my shoes trust me.
They also look brand new, we’re good um.
Before we get uh, though you went 21-0, though 20 Knockouts, before making your first title attempt against the legendary Bernard Hopkins in 93 um, you did win by unanimous decision to capture your first IVF, middleweight title um.
It said you defeated b-hop with a broken right hand going into the fight, tell us what it was like fighting with the broken hand, and what did it mean to capture your first world title? Well, it was probably gon na be my own shot.
If I didn’t take it, I know my hand was messed up.
So Derek hoganna told me.
I shouldn’t fight, but I said: listen.
If I don’t fight now, I may never get the shot again.
I’M not willing to sell my soul to these big promoters and to do anything for a fight, so I’m not gon na do that.
I’M gon na take advantage of this one opportunity.
Do it get these defenses get out of this contract? I’M gon na be a free man and that’s what I did so going into the fight.
It was tough, but I knew that my mentor was Far Beyond his and I knew that I could be with one hand and I did yeah.
You definitely did that for sure.
Did um Michael Oher wants to know.
Can you run us through the two rounds with Ricky Randall to win the debut? Well, it was kind of easy uh.
He came out.
I could tear right away he’s one of those Fighters that were over met.
He wasn’t my equal and I knew that right away, so I just kind of put the jab on it and figured him out first time, probably without the hit give him a long time.
So I had to get comfortable in there once I got comfortable.
I just kind of just took him up Diego Michael I’m, Charlie, Desmond, Charlie, you maybe you’re new to the show.
I’Ve talked about this many times on the show, but we’ll go ahead and ask for it.
He thinks about it.
There’S been talk in the past about inner gender boxing matches.
What are both your thoughts on this? Could it even be a fair fight? No, no and hell no I’ve said the same thing: y’all, listen, I’m a female fighter.
I only I there was only maybe a handful.
I can’t even count.
I can count on one hand how many times I sparred with a female okay.
I only sparred with men and nine times out of ten.
They were a lot bigger than me because I’m pretty small and that’s just what was available um.
Could I beat some of them? Yes, yes, I could uh, but if they were bigger than me, it only took one punch and that’s really all it took because I’m so much smaller and they’re, just naturally stronger.
So it’s not fair um.
No, if it’s too experienced pro boxers, the male is going to beat the [ __ ] out of the woman, every single time hands down period.
It’S gon na happen, Silver’s there I’ll grab somebody saying that they actually have spots and knows what it’s like to be in there, because all the people that talk, even people, that talk like they can come on man – it’s just it’s not fair, and it’s not fair For men, in my opinion, to go, get changed to a woman and compete against women.
Of course you weren’t born a woman.
I actually think that’s even fair.
I think you should fight at what you were born at uh.
Even if you choose not to be that way in life, you see it’s a fight at whatever you’re born to be because it’s not fair for me as a man to fight against women, and I know that naturally, I’m gon na be stronger, faster and hit harder Than them yes and it’s funny um there was you know back.
Then there were several girls that I thought that I always kind of questioned like if they were email because back then there were a lot of them.
That did not quite look so feminine.
I was feminine um, but a lot of them didn’t look feminine um and it’s funny, because if you look at my record now, it was like my third or fourth, maybe second, third, fourth fight, no second or third fight.
The girl that I fought.
Her name was DJ Morris and she came out in a wife, beater, a pair of basketball, shorts and a pair of tennis shoes.
I knocked her out, but if you go look at the record now on my record, it says David Morrison yep and when I was talking, I had Christy Martin on the show last week and she’s like oh, my God, like David Morrison, they reached out to me And they want to fight as, and they said it was a guy, but they had fought as a girl, and I said well, I knocked them out, so I don’t know if it was a guy or a girl, but I knocked him out.
You did what you’re supposed to anyway, so it doesn’t matter what he was in that ring.
You did what you supposed to do to him, but it’s not fair for uh educated and a skilled boxing man to be able to equal sized skill box, a woman.
It’S just that people ask me that all the time – and I laugh – and I said if it’s if it’s an inexperienced guy like a sky off the street, we’re the same size.
Could I whip his ass? Probably, if it’s me and somebody else that has the same experience as me and they’re a professional athlete, it’s not good, it’s not gon na happen.
Um, it’s just they’re stronger, they’re, just strong, much stronger, much stronger.
You just have to listen now.
I’Ve heard plenty of guys like about nature, though thank you, yeah I’ve.
I let yeah I’ve heard plenty of them.
Don’T get me wrong, but they could hurt me back.
They could hurt me back they’re, probably worse than you can hurt them absolutely absolutely um.
I mean I’ve broken their noses.
I’Ve done all that [ __ ], but they they got me back.
Let me tell you right right, um, just five fights later, though, after that um November 18th 1994, you moved up and wait to face James Tony, The Undefeated super middleweight champ, who was ranked highly in the powerful pound rankings as the best in the world at 168.
Build the uncivil war first time in your career, you were considered the underdog um, but you dance circles around him even knocked him down with your signature left hook.
That’S what I know you for the signature around won.
This ibf super middleweight World title easily.
In my opinion, that night, can you tell us about the hype leading up to the fight? What were your thoughts being considered? The underdog it was the best to fight, but the thing about James was James, is a very educated boxer himself, a very skillful boxer and a lot of people feared him because he was so mean even outside of the Ring yeah.
So for me, I just kind of made sure that I demanded my respect before the fight uh and when the fight happened.
I took the rest of my respect, so I just had to do what I had to do, because I was not going to be bullied and I wanted to be pounded by the bet you want to be proud to find the best you got to beat the Man, in order to be the man at that time, coach Molly weight class.
He was the man, so I had to beat the man you got it true.
Um settled the fight title defenses later, though, you move moved up away again, defeating Mike McCullen via shutout decision making you a three division.
Champ up to that point in your career were any of your fights challenging at all to you not truly challenging.
They were because I had to be in shape and uh.
I had to be read and be on point, but physically I made him look easy because of my strategy and my technique and the skill level that my daddy had developed in me.
I was able to pretty much over overcome anything you put in front of me.
Union would unify or further divide the sport.
I’Ve been Union would definitely unified a sport uh.
It would definitely make a lot of problems with the promoters, because most of the promoters don’t want to come together because they make more money just taking advantage of the guys when they’re out there left on their own uh Union would see that this does not happen.
It will protect the fighters more and therefore the promoters would be pissed and it would turn to a pretty bad thing for them.
True, um, Michael Orr wants to know what was the biggest challenges you faced in your career, both in and outside the ring uh.
The biggest challenge I faced outside mean was actually having to separate from my father yeah.
I think I had was lose all that week coming back down from heavyweight to late.
That was very different for me, yeah and understandably difficult for sure uh.
It’S not easy to go up and down and wait guys.
It’S not it’s not easy uh.
It definitely plays a toll on your body.
I can tell you that, which is why 90 of my career I either fought at what I walked around at or I went up.
I was not going down.
I did it one time I went down to 122.
when I was featherweight.
That was four pounds.
It was freaking four pounds, I’m like [, __ ].
I can lose four pounds.
I didn’t have four pounds to lose.
There was nothing on me.
That was the hardest thing I ever did in my life.
Would never do it again, yep.
That was only four pounds.
I know I know that feeling I lost 25, like that, yes, um Eric B.
Do you believe the heavyweight division is clubbed? What’S the solution for seeing the best fights the fight the best and looking about and looking about boxers post retirements is good.
You definitely want to look out for boxes uh, post retirement, because nobody cares about it once they’re done and over with, but the heavyweight division looks good right now, uh, I still think types of furious demand, but at the same time uh you got ta.
Remember that who’s, sick and fury, everybody want to say they want to see who’s the versus Fury, but for the fireworks that we’ve been getting in the Heavenly division who’s confirm is not the kind to make mainly because they’re, both technicians, neither one of our explosive power.
Punchers you want to have that real one-punch knockout power, so they both have good undefeated records, but there’s no explosiveness, there’s no fireworks and in the Headway division, the Headway divisions, the main division, that’s known for fireworks because of fire.
Neither one of these guys really possess that power attack power so out on paper, but it’s not a good fight in the ring.
I agree with that.
Yeah 100 um back to your career, though 1997 um, you had your first loss on paper and it was only on paper.
Let me clarify that it was only on freaking paper uh because you were winning the fight up to the disqualification against Monaco Griffin.
That fight pissed me off.
So damn bad.
You don’t even understand Griffin took a knee.
You hit him while he was down on the knee, but the faking of Montel Griffin was like the worst acting job.
I’Ve ever seen in my life because he looked at you after you, hit him twice and was perfectly fine until the ref was like Hey and then he all falls out like he was dead.
So but you you know, you came back after that, though, and demolished him.
You know so walk us through that did that have any effect on you being robbed of that of that fight.
Oh okay, about this qualifications! Oh, so, if you didn’t, if they didn’t rob me of that fight or robbed of my life, I may have never lost a fight.
No, I don’t think you’re cutting out a little bit.
Are you in a bad area? Yeah yeah? I went.
I just went through a better I’m out of it now yeah yeah, I just went through him out of it now yeah, okay, oh, it should get better, all right, cool um! No, you wouldn’t have lost the fight um uh.
He was done after you knocked after he took the knee.
It was only a matter yeah and what was bad was that for that first fight, where people don’t understand I understand, was I made a song for that price.
You know the title of my song for that fight was patience, is the virtue.
If I say patience is the virtue.
What does that mean? I just got ta wait about you get tired he’s gon na quit.
I’M gon na make him quit and I got him tired.
He gave up all the referee had to do was say, stop and I wouldn’t throw him another punch, but we never said stop.
So if you ever don’t say, stop I’m not gon na stop.
What, if he’s not really all the way down, I don’t have to have a chance of me and see and he comes up.
He hits me and knock me out.
They’Re gon na count me out yeah yeah yeah and he was on the road, so he could have just been leaning back on the ropes or sitting on the road.
I don’t know what he was doing, but I have time to check.
That’S not my job.
No, let me look um, he had to do was say, stop and that would have been there.
I wouldn’t do another punch, yes totally um.
I did have a similar situation to that.
That happened to me.
Um I got hit when I was down.
I was fighting Janine Garside um.
She wasn’t defending her title, but I was fighting her uh.
It was one of Jackie Collins fighters from Canada, uh or enough yeah.
I think she’s from Canada, but I took a voluntary knee.
She got me with a good body shot.
No lie not even gon na cap, the [ __ ] hurt uh.
I took a volunteering week uh I took a volunteering knee.
It was in the first or second round um.
She had like one of those metal knee braces on uh.
She need me in the face cut my eye under here and she hit me over 10 times.
While I was down now when I was yes when I was, and I have it on video it, I have it on video, no didn’t even take a point.
Didn’T even get it, but it is called for me disqualified me, because the rep didn’t do what he should have done, but she hit you ten times and she didn’t get disqualified, yeah uh.
No, no didn’t even take a point from her didn’t even warn her.
Nothing um continued the fight.
You know we went on um.
I would imagine I was the toughest fight she ever had.
But yes, she would not rematch me after that, though, I was pissed because we were supposed to remember her belts and she wouldn’t rematch me um.
I even contested it they wouldn’t even overturn it.
I just wanted it to be a a no contest or something I didn’t want.
The blemish on my record.
I was undefeated at the time, and people don’t understand that.
Sometimes that blemish takes a little bit of your age away, because you fight to not lose you don’t fight to lose, you probably do not lose, but we don’t duck and die should not lose.
We just fight to not lose once you give us a loss, not enough laws, don’t mean nothing.
Yes, yes, uh, but it is what it is.
You know I I still I still make my mark.
So it’s all good.
Um March 1st 2003, you defeated John Ruiz to become the first former middleweight title holder to win a heavyweight title in 106 years: um the first to start your career as a light and middleweight and win the heavyweight title.
Also.
The second reigning light heavyweight champ after Michael Spinks in 1985 to move up and wait and claim the major heavyweight title in your first fight in the division.
Tell us about that moment.
Breaking all those records in first and what did that moment really mean to you that moment was one of the best moments of my career uh, and I promise you that moment is also another Testament to how good God is, because I said God, I’ve done a Lot of things, but I want to go down and record for something big, something that nobody else has ever done and what he allowed me to see was that go in the heavyweight title.
You’Ll be the first person ever to turn a pro as a junior middleweek and because every champion of the world that has never happened, there’s not a person on Earth who’s evident.
You turn pro and went to the Olympics as a dream middleweight and you became heavyweight champion of the world.
It can never take that away from you.
So, in fact, in boxing, if you go beyond your Prime and you don’t do the same, they take all your accolades away as things though, but in other other sports, when John Elway or Dan Marino or even Tom Brady, when they don’t have a good season.
And after they be on their Prime, they don’t take away and say they’re not to go anymore.
They still be go, but when you go do something like I did something nobody’s ever done in the history of boxing now, because some other comes on goals.
If you know they said, oh, you ain’t the goat, no more how’s that so I’m the same person that did all that that nobody ever done, if you think about the 50 and no don’t get me wrong, he I understand I’m cool with this Rocky marcelon, piano, Retired at 49, though, but Julio Jesus Chef is at one point was 89-0 yeah right.
If you stop, whoever gon na beat that record.
Oh, that makes you sound, find the best ever or is it about your accomplishment accomplishment in your prize? That’S all I’d be arguing, and I I can’t argue it because I was the guy that fought.
So I don’t, I can’t argue with myself, but I think my body support says more than anything that power profile, that it could not be another person that has covered as many pounds in boxes.
As I did I came from.
I could work from apartment from 152 to opposed at 226.
yeah, no other fighter ever covered that much weight and became champion in their whole career.
Nobody.
So who has to be the man? I don’t know.
I don’t think anybody else is the man, but that I mean I don’t know I’m biased um.
Was that always the plan, though, for you from the beginning like to go all the way up like? Was that the plan, no one time so I’ll, tell you that by God stripping that gold medal for me in the beginning, he lit a special fire at me because he wanted me to go to special place.
I had no idea.
I had no thoughts of ever fighting when I was 12 years old.
First time I ever got knocked down.
We had a hit with now Jim.
I actually was trying to stealing my dad backyard and I was beating his back one day and his Headway was through a hook and hit me in the back of the head by mistake and dropped me in the gym.
That was a heavy weight.
I was a little kid I was like whoa.
I thought I’d never ever fight every week, let alone becoming weekend.
My first, my first national tournament when I was 15 years old.
You know where that wanted it bantamweek.
119.
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Oh my God! That’S like a kid! That’S Justin Bieber, Wait! No! Only by the grace of God.
I couldn’t thought I couldn’t play it in myself, yeah.
I just couldn’t.
No can’t you never seen nobody at the Olympics turn pro as a Midway or Junior middleweight and say: oh I’m gon na be here boys like that.
Well, somebody’s thinking that way.
Oh God, it wasn’t me, it was God’s plan, God put in, put God put it in there.
We got it done exactly.
I need to know, though, after that moment, what in the hell made you decide to go back down to light heavyweight after becoming heavyweight champion.
Why did you go back down and wait um to be honest with you, I had to confuse, because I thought Bob was hit was right here with champ after he became heavyweight champ now I think, went back down to regain the land we title, but it’s wrong.
He became Headway chair first then after he lost every time.
He went back down in one life every time, and I know that I could have stopped then, but I thought he a woman light and weight head weight and recapture the last week.
So I have wanted to do exactly what he did and I did that and what I should have did, because I didn’t realize how much of a toe there are 25 pounds took out of me for the Long Haul.
I thought it just hurt me that one day I thought, oh, get a little rest on Bill Calvin come back and do it better.
No that took the life out of it.
The first time I should retire well yeah, I I mean – and I would go down to history as the greatest fighter to ever fight, and I don’t understand why.
I’M feeling the greatest fighter doesn’t fight, because, if you’re the same person that did all that.
So what erases the paper I stayed too long or the fact that, because I came all the way down from uh 200 to 175, all muscle stripped my bite of everything that I had to make history.
I thought so that’s the reason you say.
Oh now, you got pounds pound a bit.
Is that how we do this wow? Okay? Well, and that’s the thing that’s so funny about that to me – is yes, I agree that after you beat Harbor the first time, that would have been a good stopping point for you to retire.
I totally agree with that um or to go back up to heavyweight.
That would have been my two options that I would have thought would have been best for you, but every single legendary fighter that go that’s pound for pound one of the best in the world.
In history, all of them Ali all of them, everybody fought fights past their Prime and they all end up losing at some point because they’re fighting past their Prime, because that’s just what Fighters do right so, but does it take away or does it take away from How high they went at the Pinnacle of their practice? I don’t think so, no exactly um and it only.
They only do that.
The only people that do that are the people that don’t know [ __ ] about boxing I mean people, you know it’s really.
The people that that come on and comment dumb, ass, [ __ ] – that’s like you, don’t even know what you’re talking about like people that are like.
Why didn’t you fight? Would you have fought Laila Ali? You can just [ __ ] die 180 some pounds and I fight at 126 and 135.
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We’Re not even in the same freaking weight class are y’all dumb.
Like know your [ __ ] before you ask me, questions please, please.
You know what I’m saying: um yes, but when you did move back down so talking to the Target fight, first fight, phenomenal, second fight crushed me.
It crushed me of course me too, of course me too, but I know I knew now why it happened.
I knew I knew exactly why it happened.
You know it’s like, but it’s like you know, we go through life, we live, we learn.
We have to keep going guess what I still had to get up again and I had to get up again and keep going so I did I had to get up after the Olympics.
I had to get up after Montreal.
Give a fight I had to get up after the 12, but not got lost.
I had to get up after all the losses.
So you know it’s nice.
I don’t stop.
You know what I mean.
So it’s like nothing’s gon na make me quit.
They can forget that, but you know it’s life but, like I said why am I not judged on what I did in my past because that’s what’s supposed to count? That’S how the football players judged it’s, not a basketball players, the judge, that’s how the baseball players are judged.
Do they all play beyond their Prime yeah? Are they as good as they were in their Prime? No, but are they not judged? I wasn’t getting it right.
I mean 100 percent.
I do feel like, though, if they had not stopped the fight in the second time or fight that, do you feel like that? You would have regained your like.
You would agree, gained your composure.
I feel like you were thinking.
I think I would have.
I had got myself back together about time after a quarter.
I knew where I was, but I had the 10 second account.
I think I would have got back here.
I agree.
I was disappointed because they stopped it.
My body was depleted from the first place, so I think they were trying to just kind of look out because they knew how to think I was the first time they probably felt.
I was just a complete the second time because I lost 25 pounds of muscle.
That’S a lot of weight to lose a lot, a lot of people that don’t know they’re listening right, the girl, um Ellen Nune, I think Zella Nunez, I don’t even freaking call from New York um.
I was winning the fight flash knock down got up.
It was like I went on, I was like the almost the last might have been the last round.
One round before the last or the last round got up was fine, wanted to continue.
Ref waved it off and I think they did that, though, only because that was the only way she was going because she was losing from it um.
So I’ve been in that situation, it [ __ ].
It sucks.
I can’t even tell y’all how much it sucks, but it sucks you don’t know unless you lived it so um Doug we talked about, though we’ve talked about now.
Your four title, your you know your four divisions that you’re in four different weight classes um.
How did you manage to Excel and adapt your your style across all those divisions like? How did you maintain your style? What what made it good for me was that, like I looked at boxer today, and they were not equipped with the tools that I had so many people try to blame it.
On my on my talent, it’s not the talent.
It was my skill level.
I had it immaculous skill level that my dad forced me to learn.
When I first started boxing, I knew how to throw every punch properly.
I knew how to do hip movement properly.
I’D like to defend every punch properly.
I knew everything that was something about throwing defending uh, uh, anticipating I knew all all so I was able to put all of that together.
It took me Way Beyond anybody as I even to this day I watched boxing, but not on the Fly chance.
Crawford could uh, I see tank a few adjustments.
Uh Canelo even has a hard time making he basically he has a hard time with it.
So it’s very hard for now in today’s time to find guys that know how to make adjustments on the Fly, because why most of them are only child to fight one way right.
They don’t have any B, plus there’s no backup plan.
No, it is, you got a good foundation.
You can take that Foundation almost any way you can go, but your body can’t handle so yeah and once once somebody figures that out you’re done because they they can’t make adjustments exactly um the hand, speed, though the hand speed the athleticism.
It’S legendary.
Just like the rest of your career um, how did you own the skills? Was it naturally, God gifted the speed or how did you hone the skills, give us the little secret? How did you get the edge of your opponent’s supposed to be holding the speed holding the skills for my footwork? The feet are everything everybody saying boxes with the hands? That’S why that’s the last piece I go.
My boxing starts with my people.
That’S what makes it so fast, that’s what makes me seem like I’m five times faster than everybody else, because all of my movements are calculated with my feet and done properly with my feet.
So when I do things, I cut that I could call it because I know how to cut Corners, because I don’t want to turn my toe.
I don’t screw my toy when I told my hood.
I turn my upper torso, but I don’t screw my toe in without so.
If you screw that toe in you got ta unscreen to do anything up, I cut that tab down.
I just dragged that foot drag that foot drag that foot.
So if we’ll stop, I can go again these, so it makes me think way faster than most people yeah once again, not natural, not natural.
That’S a technical! Now, when I was an amateur kid when I was younger, my dad had a guy that used to box before me a little bit older me, but we all barked the same time.
He was older than me.
By about five or six years there was Curtis Greene Curtis Greene was the fastest handed fighter.
I ever seen experience called 165 and had the hand of uh Jerry Russell yeah at 165.
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So I learned how I saw how often his hands and his feet were an advantage for him or advantages for him, so I kind of stole a little bit in that too.
I said you got to be quick with it, while you’re doing it.
So I learned that as well.
Yeah you put the speed and the power together it’s over well and not to mention the reflexes, nothing from the reflexes natural reflexes.
What’S up Angie, I see you girl, thanks for joining in uh Michael wants to know.
In your opinion, who’s the next up and coming heavyweight out of the U.
S out of the US Jared, please baby, uh Michael, is there anybody that you really wanted to fight that you didn’t get to fight, they want to know Japan, Chris Eubanks senior and Steve Collins.
I wanted to fight all three of them, but what was funny was that I didn’t notice till later in my career, James Tony kind of had got on television and really made all three of them shut up and back down before I beat him, I didn’t notice To ask it was a little long Beyond My Career, so they wouldn’t think they were all not even considering coming to fight James because it seemed too good.
So if you go beat the guy that they think it’s too good, you think they’re gon na fight you no no, not gon na happen um.
He says he says what has been the biggest lesson.
You’Ve learned from your losses, my main loss was that, like, like, I know that people who are the biggest thing I can tell you the truth, the problem I let people make or allow people to make was.
When I was a fighter, I always kept my little guys with me that I trained to right my little crew, because my crew was a representation of me.
While I let them all cut my cool away from around me.
That made it very hard for me to see what I do wrong.
What I, what I do right or what I don’t do I should do because my crew, watching them every day, reminded me of what to do and what not to do.
But I had an eye on them all the time my people didn’t know us.
Nobody in my gym new boxing.
The way I knew boxes so when I teach my cool stuff, it’s just really a reflection of me and it reminded me of what to do and what not to do so.
Having my crew around really really made it much easier for me because it kept me real mad.
It kept me sharp when my crew got taken away from around me and it wasn’t by me and my daughter, but they always always complaining, because I helped too many people they kept, trying to cut them and cut them and cut them.
So they finally got it.
Where I had nobody well, my crew got cut away from around me little mistakes that I had known not to make from watching my crew.
I started making why? Because nobody in boxing or around me at Sam understood my skill set skill set, came from my dad.
My coach work was good, of course, than a skill teacher.
When I first had him foreign yeah, can you hear me um what they want to know? What needs to happen um for there to be a major for there to be Major League boxing, say it again, um they want to know what needs to happen for there to be Major League boxing uh.
When you say things.
Thank you today.
So Dana came in then around here.
You know what I’m saying: are you in a bad area, again you’re cutting out a little bit again.
They didn’t hear any of that.
They said.
Welcome to my house, okay, you’re, about to go in the house.
Okay, I can’t wait till you get a better connection, yeah, it’s probably connecting to the Wi-Fi yeah.
Yes, Graham.
Yes, sir, okay, good awesome! Yes, all right! You coming! Are you coming back to me? Oh no! We lost him.
No, I’m back! I’M back! I’M back! You know me: I’m back he’s back all right, [ Applause, ] um.
Where was I okay? Yes, I know um it’s great now they said fabulous.
I love you guys.
Thank you for helping me out.
Okay, um! Oh they want you to re-answer.
The major league of boxing, like I said, Vanna White, came in and he started UFC, so I gave him the credit built in the way to be able to kind of run the whole thing because he invented it.
Boxes have been it long before in the book.
Came along so the final, respectful or reputable face unboxing that we trust to run.
It is going to be very difficult, and that would be good if we had that, but they don’t trust nobody.
When you try to say something with social media now anything you say is somebody gon na take a nap, no matter what it is.
You can talk.
Positive all you want, if you say anything too much.
Somebody gon na find a negative way to spend it yeah when they spin it they’re gon na find a few more people that can agree with their negativity and spin it with them.
So nobody ever gon na be right.
Yeah, that’s, like anything, you say, can and will be used against you exactly and that’s how it happened on the internet, now oh yeah and in boxing as a whole lot exactly exactly dirty ass business.
If you’re, not in it, you don’t know – and you don’t understand, but it is yeah.
Um you’ve been in the ring with so many greats.
Everybody knows I don’t even have to mention them.
Who would you consider, though, your toughest opponent, and why it’s tough to pull out the fault was probably James, told it was called James Hunter is capable of knocking you out anywhere from round one to round 15.
now around 12 around 1 throughout 15.
, and we were On the fighting 12 round fight – and he still trying to kiss you after the fight and get you if you can so he was tough.
Also, he fights that shoulder roll, but the same shoulder roll that Flora uses, but James to me was much more devastating because he knocked out more people behind him.
He threw combination.
He went to knock you out, so I always say to me: he was much better shoulder World fighter than Floyd Mayweather yeah.
I can picture it.
I could picture that.
I mean you talk, do you think I mean I’m a fan of Floyd’s, I’m I’m sure you.
I mean boys um, but do you believe I mean he believes really that he’s the pound for pound best? That’S ever lived.
I don’t.
I can’t if you go back even farther past the generations.
I think that he’s phenomenal.
He will be in the top of one of the best to ever live, but what’s your list of top, let’s say top five of all time, including yourself.
Where would you rate yourself top five Muhammad Ali are uh.
I ain’t gon na rate myself up Muhammad Ali um, sugary, Robinson Salvador Sanchez and when I said Sugar Ray, it could be Robert.
They both pretty much the same yeah uh Stabler Sanchez and uh Roberto Duran Mike Tyson Roy Jones.
All of you won that you’ve had a.
What are you? What are some key lessons that you’ve learned about resilience and longevity in this sport? You take care of your body, your body will take care of you.
I didn’t smoke or drink early because I knew I was going to go longer.
I probably was supposed to, and if you think about, I went eight rounds this year at 54 years old, a good, solid, eight rounds for 36 year old, because my body’s still been fortunate enough to be able to go so you take care of your body.
It’Ll.
Take care of you now probably overly abuse, my body with making the weights going up and down all that, but and those things will come between me too, so I’m not saying that won’t be healthy forever, but my body held up for a long time.
I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, not at all yeah.
I know I know I know the song Come On Now um and if y’all can well let it go on any any music platform.
I got a new new thing.
A lot called never turn my back yeah.
It’S me SM bullet and uh.
My son yandere yeah yeah.
I got ta hear that one yeah speaking of your sons, if I’m, if I’m correct you, have twins right, yep, okay, how old are they now they’re 31.
that they never boxed, though no they know about him.
Go to one of your twins.
I got a 23 year old son and I got a 14 year old son.
No, no, no, you don’t watch or they don’t they.
Don’T they don’t want? What else can they do? What else can they do? Oh phone call.
He says I think I lost my audio.
Did you get it? Oh they’re playing they’re saying to do a refresh.
You can’t hear me, can you do a refresh that’s strange, hold on I’ll text them can’t understand.
I can’t hear a thing.
No more.
You can’t hear nothing: okay, he’s doing a refresh thanks guys for joining me, even those of you that are not commenting.
I appreciate you all being here.
It happens after phone calls good to know.
I did not know that yeah, my uh, my guys behind the scenes said that it happens.
When you get a phone call, you lose your audio, I got it so now you know yeah um, let’s see where were we? I guess I ought to ask some of these questions over here before I get too far down.
I miss them all um decentralized, voting and score keeping with Advanced cameras like they use in Major League Baseball, NBA NFL.
I guess they want to know what you think of that yeah I’ll be.
I would definitely be for that anything that make it fair.
I would love anything to make boxes more fair than this now and make boxing right.
I would do yeah I’m tired of the robberies exactly they make it better.
Speaking of robberies um, I know you know my girl, I mean she’s.
My sister love her to death, uh Chevelle Hall back, I know you know it.
Yeah well, y’all are in the same kind of same area, yeah, um, Chevelle and Nick Campbell went with me to Mexico.
For my rematch with Mia St John, my husband couldn’t go at the time, so I called Chevy.
I had just met her uh, not long before that we fought on the same card in California, and I was like I got nobody like.
I don’t want to go to Mexico by myself.
She’S like girl, I’ll, go and Nate’s my boy like I’ll.
Just tell him to come down because I can’t be there the whole week.
So I have him come down and like work out with you and keep you like going and then I’ll come down like right before and corner you, I’m like all right um.
So that was the first time I met Nate Campbell in the airport when he met me at our layover flight, so that was an experience um, but that was a that was an experience.
Um talk about nervous going to Mexico nurse meeting uh a famous professional male boxer, um, and then he being you know, working out with me.
It was a good time, though it was a good time um.
Speaking to her, though her last fight, did you see her last fight when she got totally freaking robbed? Did you see that right not to see Chevy? Last I heard about that.
I heard she got absolutely robbed.
Oh, my God yep I heard and that’s why we need open scoring and we need the event any kind of Advanced Camera we can get, but we definitely need Open scores.
So we can see above before it all happened, a judge.
That’S up with the foolishness.
You know and get him out of there yeah when you no, no exactly your movement footwork.
How did you develop the distinct Style and what role did it play for your success years and years and years of working uh in the gym on footwork? My father made us work on footwork uh diligently, and the football was really the main basis of My Success.
Ma’Am I got you um.
I don’t want to miss anybody’s comments because I don’t want to get mad at me.
Wait we got about two minutes left though.
So, that’s it! That’S it um! Oh, I know after you, after you work with Sharon anyos, she met you in your gym.
So that’s how we got the conversation because she said that you were the only male fighter she ever met.
That was actually like treated her as an equal or friendly.
All of that welcome her in the gym any other female boxers that you have worked with, or what do you think of women’s boxing as a whole?
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What’S up what’s up everybody, it’s your girl, no mercy here, it’s Tuesday night! So you already know what time it is.
It’S time for no punches pulled with me, of course, no mercy.
Some of you probably already know who I am those of you that are new today.
Thank you for joining me.
I’M your host Brooke Millbrook, formally known in the fight business, is Brooke no mercy deardorff.
I’M a retired professional boxer held the WBC lightweight title I until I retired, and it was inducted into the international women’s Boxing Hall of Fame.
Last year, I’ve been through some good.
Some bad and, of course, a lot of BS in the sport of women’s boxing.
You all know how it is welcome to my platform, but this is where we talk the talk and walk the walk.
We bring out the truth in women’s boxing, but today y’all.
I don’t know if you guys saw it but we’re switching it up a little bit.
Um I’m having my first mailboxer on the show um.
I know I always do just females, but I could not turn down the opportunity to have this special guest with us today.
My boxing sister Sharon anyos, when I had her on insisted that I have uh this guest here today with us and he happily agreed.
So I appreciate him taking the time of his busy schedule to join us, but we’ve got uh.
Y’All must have forgot, but I haven’t forgotten who it is, but Roy Jones Jr in the building, um ride or die fan, been a ride or die fan since day.
One um through all the highs and lows of his career, always been there um.
My husband and I are he’s one of our favorites so um.
If I, if I get a little nervous y’all, don’t worry about it, I’m nervous to speak to him.
So if y’all got a question, shoot him in there, but I got a good list of questions for him, um, probably needing no introductory but amateur.
He represented the USA in the 1988 Summer.
Olympic is winning the light.
Middleweight silver medal after one of the most controversial decisions in boxing history held multiple World titles in four different weight classes, including middleweight super middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight.
He is the only boxer in history to start his professional career at light middleweight and go up to win a heavyweight title he’s known for possessing exceptional hand, speed athleticism, footwork, explosive punching power movement and his amazing reflexes.
He holds the record for the most wins in unified light heavyweight title belts in boxing history at 12.
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He was named fighter of the Year by Ring magazine in 94 and the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 2003, he’s a three-time winner of the best boxer Espy award in 96 2003.
The boxing writer Association America named him fighter of the decade for the 90s and having boxed over 40 years.
He holds the record for the longest pro career of any heavyweight boxing champion he’s faced the best of the best y’all already know.
I don’t even have to tell you not to mention, has some of the best songs ever with his rapping skills and is even dabbing, acting as well as commentating and training Fighters.
The list goes on and on y’all help me welcome in Roy Jones Jr to the show.
How are you I’m good, how y’all doing good good? Thank you.
I appreciate you taking it.
I got you okay, sorry about it, yeah, I’m so good.
Thank you guys for having me it’s one honor and a pleasure to be on your show anytime, you’re, a friend of sharing you’re automatically a friend of mine.
So, thank you so much for having me thanks for all the kind words and thank you and your husband for always being loyal, fam.
Yes, I appreciate it yeah she when I had her on a few weeks ago, I interviewed Sharon um, and she just kept like you got ta have Roy on.
I’M like Roy is not gon na come on my show.
What are you talking about and she’s like? Yes, he will I’m like you ask him.
Let me know um so yeah, it’s it’s an honor to have you here.
I’Ve always wanted to meet you one day, hopefully in person, but we’ll see how that goes.
Thank you um.
So, first off, can you just take us back to the beginning? I mean I know all about your whole entire career, but can you tell us about Little Roy, your childhood, what actually LED you to boxing uh? Well, actually, let me to boxing work, my dad’s um.
He was so overwhelmed by the way that Muhammad Ali performed, so I happen to be watching a fight with him one night and I somehow caught up into Muhammad Ali.
He was so I said you know.
If someone teaches me how to throw my hands, I can do what Muhammad Ali is doing, because basically he’s upsetting his opponent, yeah, getting them mad enough to kill him, he’s staying calm and having fun doing it and he’s beating them.
So if somebody teaches me how to use my hands, I can do the rest and that’s what led me to buy all right all right.
That’S good um, yeah, Muhammad Ali, your time, your idol, I’m sure um, very similar Styles, though I can’t, even I can’t even deny it um.
I can’t even deny it um Amazon as an amateur, though you racked up a record of 121 and 13, which damn I only have 15 amateur fights.
You know how it was for women back.
Then it wasn’t easy um.
Nobody would fight me no more! So I’m like well, I guess I’m a GoPro.
Let’S Do It um I mean you probably don’t know who I am but I mean I did my thing for a little while I know I love you, I know.
Have you heard a lot about you and congratulations on becoming a world champion or anybody that can set out in boxing and become a world champion? You have to be pretty good.
It takes a lot of hard work.
It takes dedication, it takes faith in God and faith in yourself and if you can’t have those things, I don’t care who you are where you are where you’re from.
If you don’t have those things, it’s gon na be almost impossible to become a world champion.
So for you to dedicate your life to boxing and become a world champion, it says a lot about you.
I don’t care who you are.
I appreciate that.
Well I beat a friend I mean I could guess you would consider a friend Mia, St John.
That’S why yeah yeah and they beat me.
Yes, I heard about that twice um but um.
You won the silver medal title in many different tournaments, but you represented USA at the eight at the 1988 Olympic Games.
Being the youngest wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Wait wait, wait, wait, wait! Wait! You got ta change that I ain’t winning Olympic.
I ain’t went on Silver medal.
You know a bunch of tournaments.
I want gold medal at most tournaments yeah robbed up a full metal in the solo Olympic Games.
You want gold medals in most every tournament I performed in yeah, I lost very few tournaments.
So yes, I was popular for gold, mother and soul career, but I’m not winning a bunch of silver medals.
I don’t settle for silver so easily, so don’t know.
I meant you on the silver at the Olympics.
Many tournaments um, youngest member, though on the USA, olympic team um took silver in one of the most controversial decisions ever in boxing history.
Um, you didn’t lose a single round, though, in route to the finals.
I lost two to three to park in the in the finals, but it’s it’s been reported that Park apologized afterwards and even the referee told you he couldn’t believe they were doing this.
Is that true story like tell us what actually happened? That’S exactly happen when I was when I went back out there.
I told my coach.
I looked at my coach in the car after they got me, it was a first little Council table of Koreans.
Cheering.
I already got me.
I said what you mean.
I said they got me, and reference said I, if they’re doing doing this, I I can’t believe they’re doing this to you like yesterday already got me and she already said, and they winner All Points three two I knew it was over and they gave it to Him yeah, Shame, Shame um, but I know you’ve said in the past, though, that you see it as a blessing now like that helped you pave the way for your rest of your career.
It definitely, it definitely was a blessing because had I not went through that experience, I probably would never have become the champion that I came because the way that I was taught the way that I was raised up that end time.
There’S adversity you take that adversity and you turn into something good so by God, giving me that adversity early.
That meant that God must must have wanted me with a different mind frame as a professional boxer.
You know, let me just be another professional boxer.
He wanted me to go far and beyond my own expectations.
I didn’t know that at the time, but I quickly realized that once I got back home right, true story, true story, um, a quick question from a guest we got Eddie Barrington, don’t be so hard on yourself, you’re a world champion.
I appreciate you Eddie.
I know I am the shit’s behind me on the wall um, but uh.
He wants to know.
If Roy could do one thing to help women’s boxing for the better.
What would you do become a photo, a motor amount strictly, just probably women.
It would be bad.
Be hard but you promote strictly women and you get the women to understand that there has to be build up to make the fight, and we can’t have women fighting that really aren’t that good, because if you’re, not that good, you need to fight other women.
That aren’t that good until you learn how to defend yourself, do you know how to box at an appropriate level? Because what turns people off most of the time? Because you have one woman, that’s really really good and you have another woman that really can’t defend themselves.
Nobody wants to respect people have a few competitions, so we got to figure out a way to if you don’t.
I know it’s not a lot of women that box or where it wasn’t in the past.
But it’s a lot more now, but in the past was very hard.
Like you said you get 15 fights.
Nobody wants to fight you anymore, because you’re experiencing you know what you’re doing now.
Yeah some people take it serious.
Some people don’t so it’s a lot more difficult for a woman to get the amount of price that a man gets because of the levels of competition.
But we still got to try to bring those levels of competition closer, even if we have to conversate for it.
With weight yeah very true, yeah yeah – and that was the most frustrating part for me like in my time, with the fights that were being televised as women.
They were trash and I’m like that just makes us look bad like out there yeah that hurt the sport, because there were enough good players and, like you, saw one of the best fights period that I’ve seen was uh Katie Taylor and the mini surrender yeah.
I don’t care what what they are, that was uh.
That was one hell of a boxing match yeah, but these were two women who were on the same level.
Yes, on the same Pantheon as a matter of fact, Serrano came up a week class or two to meet Katie, so it’s like they sacrificed the weight to make the fight, but the fight turned out to be one of the most awesome fights of all time.
Male or female, but that’s what we got to have more of and, like I said, sometimes we got ta, make the adjustment with the weight with the weight, so they can meet at a comfortable pace for both Pilots, but because there’s not as many women boxers as There are men men we got to do something to make it happen.
Yeah yeah I mean that I like in my career.
I started out at featherweight 126.
I went as low as 122, but I went all the way up to 135 to win the title because that’s where the fights were so how it is.
Sometimes you just got to do it.
You just got ta.
Do it um before we get, though, into your pro career, the most important question that I have to ask, and I don’t think anybody has ever asked you before, is why, in the heck, did you stop making Roy Jones Jr boxing shoes? That is the only shoe.
I ever wore in my entire life.
I have every single color.
My husband has every single color.
Why did you stop making the shoes I didn’t stop making it? I was sponsored by brand Jordan.
They made the shoot.
I even contacted them not long ago and asked me if I could get the rights to it, so I can start by remaking it yeah like no, what the hell, Michael Jordan, if you are watching this, show Junior’s shoes back and it was good yeah every color.
I never found anything else.
That’S awesome! That’S why you’re a winner! That’S why I was a winner because I had the damn shoes on it was the shoes and that’s so funny.
Yeah, no he’s like you have to ask him about the shoes I’m like.
I will ask him about the shoes um yeah we’re gon na have to make that happen, because you know I need to start working out again.
I need the shoes there we go.
No, I still got all my shoes trust me.
They also look brand new, we’re good um.
Before we get uh, though you went 21-0, though 20 Knockouts, before making your first title attempt against the legendary Bernard Hopkins in 93 um, you did win by unanimous decision to capture your first IVF, middleweight title um.
It said you defeated b-hop with a broken right hand going into the fight, tell us what it was like fighting with the broken hand, and what did it mean to capture your first world title? Well, it was probably gon na be my own shot.
If I didn’t take it, I know my hand was messed up.
So Derek hoganna told me.
I shouldn’t fight, but I said: listen.
If I don’t fight now, I may never get the shot again.
I’M not willing to sell my soul to these big promoters and to do anything for a fight, so I’m not gon na do that.
I’M gon na take advantage of this one opportunity.
Do it get these defenses get out of this contract? I’M gon na be a free man and that’s what I did so going into the fight.
It was tough, but I knew that my mentor was Far Beyond his and I knew that I could be with one hand and I did yeah.
You definitely did that for sure.
Did um Michael Oher wants to know.
Can you run us through the two rounds with Ricky Randall to win the debut? Well, it was kind of easy uh.
He came out.
I could tear right away he’s one of those Fighters that were over met.
He wasn’t my equal and I knew that right away, so I just kind of put the jab on it and figured him out first time, probably without the hit give him a long time.
So I had to get comfortable in there once I got comfortable.
I just kind of just took him up Diego Michael I’m, Charlie, Desmond, Charlie, you maybe you’re new to the show.
I’Ve talked about this many times on the show, but we’ll go ahead and ask for it.
He thinks about it.
There’S been talk in the past about inner gender boxing matches.
What are both your thoughts on this? Could it even be a fair fight? No, no and hell no I’ve said the same thing: y’all, listen, I’m a female fighter.
I only I there was only maybe a handful.
I can’t even count.
I can count on one hand how many times I sparred with a female okay.
I only sparred with men and nine times out of ten.
They were a lot bigger than me because I’m pretty small and that’s just what was available um.
Could I beat some of them? Yes, yes, I could uh, but if they were bigger than me, it only took one punch and that’s really all it took because I’m so much smaller and they’re, just naturally stronger.
So it’s not fair um.
No, if it’s too experienced pro boxers, the male is going to beat the [ __ ] out of the woman, every single time hands down period.
It’S gon na happen, Silver’s there I’ll grab somebody saying that they actually have spots and knows what it’s like to be in there, because all the people that talk, even people, that talk like they can come on man – it’s just it’s not fair, and it’s not fair For men, in my opinion, to go, get changed to a woman and compete against women.
Of course you weren’t born a woman.
I actually think that’s even fair.
I think you should fight at what you were born at uh.
Even if you choose not to be that way in life, you see it’s a fight at whatever you’re born to be because it’s not fair for me as a man to fight against women, and I know that naturally, I’m gon na be stronger, faster and hit harder Than them yes and it’s funny um there was you know back.
Then there were several girls that I thought that I always kind of questioned like if they were email because back then there were a lot of them.
That did not quite look so feminine.
I was feminine um, but a lot of them didn’t look feminine um and it’s funny, because if you look at my record now, it was like my third or fourth, maybe second, third, fourth fight, no second or third fight.
The girl that I fought.
Her name was DJ Morris and she came out in a wife, beater, a pair of basketball, shorts and a pair of tennis shoes.
I knocked her out, but if you go look at the record now on my record, it says David Morrison yep and when I was talking, I had Christy Martin on the show last week and she’s like oh, my God, like David Morrison, they reached out to me And they want to fight as, and they said it was a guy, but they had fought as a girl, and I said well, I knocked them out, so I don’t know if it was a guy or a girl, but I knocked him out.
You did what you’re supposed to anyway, so it doesn’t matter what he was in that ring.
You did what you supposed to do to him, but it’s not fair for uh educated and a skilled boxing man to be able to equal sized skill box, a woman.
It’S just that people ask me that all the time – and I laugh – and I said if it’s if it’s an inexperienced guy like a sky off the street, we’re the same size.
Could I whip his ass? Probably, if it’s me and somebody else that has the same experience as me and they’re a professional athlete, it’s not good, it’s not gon na happen.
Um, it’s just they’re stronger, they’re, just strong, much stronger, much stronger.
You just have to listen now.
I’Ve heard plenty of guys like about nature, though thank you, yeah I’ve.
I let yeah I’ve heard plenty of them.
Don’T get me wrong, but they could hurt me back.
They could hurt me back they’re, probably worse than you can hurt them absolutely absolutely um.
I mean I’ve broken their noses.
I’Ve done all that [ __ ], but they they got me back.
Let me tell you right right, um, just five fights later, though, after that um November 18th 1994, you moved up and wait to face James Tony, The Undefeated super middleweight champ, who was ranked highly in the powerful pound rankings as the best in the world at 168.
Build the uncivil war first time in your career, you were considered the underdog um, but you dance circles around him even knocked him down with your signature left hook.
That’S what I know you for the signature around won.
This ibf super middleweight World title easily.
In my opinion, that night, can you tell us about the hype leading up to the fight? What were your thoughts being considered? The underdog it was the best to fight, but the thing about James was James, is a very educated boxer himself, a very skillful boxer and a lot of people feared him because he was so mean even outside of the Ring yeah.
So for me, I just kind of made sure that I demanded my respect before the fight uh and when the fight happened.
I took the rest of my respect, so I just had to do what I had to do, because I was not going to be bullied and I wanted to be pounded by the bet you want to be proud to find the best you got to beat the Man, in order to be the man at that time, coach Molly weight class.
He was the man, so I had to beat the man you got it true.
Um settled the fight title defenses later, though, you move moved up away again, defeating Mike McCullen via shutout decision making you a three division.
Champ up to that point in your career were any of your fights challenging at all to you not truly challenging.
They were because I had to be in shape and uh.
I had to be read and be on point, but physically I made him look easy because of my strategy and my technique and the skill level that my daddy had developed in me.
I was able to pretty much over overcome anything you put in front of me.
Union would unify or further divide the sport.
I’Ve been Union would definitely unified a sport uh.
It would definitely make a lot of problems with the promoters, because most of the promoters don’t want to come together because they make more money just taking advantage of the guys when they’re out there left on their own uh Union would see that this does not happen.
It will protect the fighters more and therefore the promoters would be pissed and it would turn to a pretty bad thing for them.
True, um, Michael Orr wants to know what was the biggest challenges you faced in your career, both in and outside the ring uh.
The biggest challenge I faced outside mean was actually having to separate from my father yeah.
I think I had was lose all that week coming back down from heavyweight to late.
That was very different for me, yeah and understandably difficult for sure uh.
It’S not easy to go up and down and wait guys.
It’S not it’s not easy uh.
It definitely plays a toll on your body.
I can tell you that, which is why 90 of my career I either fought at what I walked around at or I went up.
I was not going down.
I did it one time I went down to 122.
when I was featherweight.
That was four pounds.
It was freaking four pounds, I’m like [, __ ].
I can lose four pounds.
I didn’t have four pounds to lose.
There was nothing on me.
That was the hardest thing I ever did in my life.
Would never do it again, yep.
That was only four pounds.
I know I know that feeling I lost 25, like that, yes, um Eric B.
Do you believe the heavyweight division is clubbed? What’S the solution for seeing the best fights the fight the best and looking about and looking about boxers post retirements is good.
You definitely want to look out for boxes uh, post retirement, because nobody cares about it once they’re done and over with, but the heavyweight division looks good right now, uh, I still think types of furious demand, but at the same time uh you got ta.
Remember that who’s, sick and fury, everybody want to say they want to see who’s the versus Fury, but for the fireworks that we’ve been getting in the Heavenly division who’s confirm is not the kind to make mainly because they’re, both technicians, neither one of our explosive power.
Punchers you want to have that real one-punch knockout power, so they both have good undefeated records, but there’s no explosiveness, there’s no fireworks and in the Headway division, the Headway divisions, the main division, that’s known for fireworks because of fire.
Neither one of these guys really possess that power attack power so out on paper, but it’s not a good fight in the ring.
I agree with that.
Yeah 100 um back to your career, though 1997 um, you had your first loss on paper and it was only on paper.
Let me clarify that it was only on freaking paper uh because you were winning the fight up to the disqualification against Monaco Griffin.
That fight pissed me off.
So damn bad.
You don’t even understand Griffin took a knee.
You hit him while he was down on the knee, but the faking of Montel Griffin was like the worst acting job.
I’Ve ever seen in my life because he looked at you after you, hit him twice and was perfectly fine until the ref was like Hey and then he all falls out like he was dead.
So but you you know, you came back after that, though, and demolished him.
You know so walk us through that did that have any effect on you being robbed of that of that fight.
Oh okay, about this qualifications! Oh, so, if you didn’t, if they didn’t rob me of that fight or robbed of my life, I may have never lost a fight.
No, I don’t think you’re cutting out a little bit.
Are you in a bad area? Yeah yeah? I went.
I just went through a better I’m out of it now yeah yeah, I just went through him out of it now yeah, okay, oh, it should get better, all right, cool um! No, you wouldn’t have lost the fight um uh.
He was done after you knocked after he took the knee.
It was only a matter yeah and what was bad was that for that first fight, where people don’t understand I understand, was I made a song for that price.
You know the title of my song for that fight was patience, is the virtue.
If I say patience is the virtue.
What does that mean? I just got ta wait about you get tired he’s gon na quit.
I’M gon na make him quit and I got him tired.
He gave up all the referee had to do was say, stop and I wouldn’t throw him another punch, but we never said stop.
So if you ever don’t say, stop I’m not gon na stop.
What, if he’s not really all the way down, I don’t have to have a chance of me and see and he comes up.
He hits me and knock me out.
They’Re gon na count me out yeah yeah yeah and he was on the road, so he could have just been leaning back on the ropes or sitting on the road.
I don’t know what he was doing, but I have time to check.
That’S not my job.
No, let me look um, he had to do was say, stop and that would have been there.
I wouldn’t do another punch, yes totally um.
I did have a similar situation to that.
That happened to me.
Um I got hit when I was down.
I was fighting Janine Garside um.
She wasn’t defending her title, but I was fighting her uh.
It was one of Jackie Collins fighters from Canada, uh or enough yeah.
I think she’s from Canada, but I took a voluntary knee.
She got me with a good body shot.
No lie not even gon na cap, the [ __ ] hurt uh.
I took a volunteering week uh I took a volunteering knee.
It was in the first or second round um.
She had like one of those metal knee braces on uh.
She need me in the face cut my eye under here and she hit me over 10 times.
While I was down now when I was yes when I was, and I have it on video it, I have it on video, no didn’t even take a point.
Didn’T even get it, but it is called for me disqualified me, because the rep didn’t do what he should have done, but she hit you ten times and she didn’t get disqualified, yeah uh.
No, no didn’t even take a point from her didn’t even warn her.
Nothing um continued the fight.
You know we went on um.
I would imagine I was the toughest fight she ever had.
But yes, she would not rematch me after that, though, I was pissed because we were supposed to remember her belts and she wouldn’t rematch me um.
I even contested it they wouldn’t even overturn it.
I just wanted it to be a a no contest or something I didn’t want.
The blemish on my record.
I was undefeated at the time, and people don’t understand that.
Sometimes that blemish takes a little bit of your age away, because you fight to not lose you don’t fight to lose, you probably do not lose, but we don’t duck and die should not lose.
We just fight to not lose once you give us a loss, not enough laws, don’t mean nothing.
Yes, yes, uh, but it is what it is.
You know I I still I still make my mark.
So it’s all good.
Um March 1st 2003, you defeated John Ruiz to become the first former middleweight title holder to win a heavyweight title in 106 years: um the first to start your career as a light and middleweight and win the heavyweight title.
Also.
The second reigning light heavyweight champ after Michael Spinks in 1985 to move up and wait and claim the major heavyweight title in your first fight in the division.
Tell us about that moment.
Breaking all those records in first and what did that moment really mean to you that moment was one of the best moments of my career uh, and I promise you that moment is also another Testament to how good God is, because I said God, I’ve done a Lot of things, but I want to go down and record for something big, something that nobody else has ever done and what he allowed me to see was that go in the heavyweight title.
You’Ll be the first person ever to turn a pro as a junior middleweek and because every champion of the world that has never happened, there’s not a person on Earth who’s evident.
You turn pro and went to the Olympics as a dream middleweight and you became heavyweight champion of the world.
It can never take that away from you.
So, in fact, in boxing, if you go beyond your Prime and you don’t do the same, they take all your accolades away as things though, but in other other sports, when John Elway or Dan Marino or even Tom Brady, when they don’t have a good season.
And after they be on their Prime, they don’t take away and say they’re not to go anymore.
They still be go, but when you go do something like I did something nobody’s ever done in the history of boxing now, because some other comes on goals.
If you know they said, oh, you ain’t the goat, no more how’s that so I’m the same person that did all that that nobody ever done, if you think about the 50 and no don’t get me wrong, he I understand I’m cool with this Rocky marcelon, piano, Retired at 49, though, but Julio Jesus Chef is at one point was 89-0 yeah right.
If you stop, whoever gon na beat that record.
Oh, that makes you sound, find the best ever or is it about your accomplishment accomplishment in your prize? That’S all I’d be arguing, and I I can’t argue it because I was the guy that fought.
So I don’t, I can’t argue with myself, but I think my body support says more than anything that power profile, that it could not be another person that has covered as many pounds in boxes.
As I did I came from.
I could work from apartment from 152 to opposed at 226.
yeah, no other fighter ever covered that much weight and became champion in their whole career.
Nobody.
So who has to be the man? I don’t know.
I don’t think anybody else is the man, but that I mean I don’t know I’m biased um.
Was that always the plan, though, for you from the beginning like to go all the way up like? Was that the plan, no one time so I’ll, tell you that by God stripping that gold medal for me in the beginning, he lit a special fire at me because he wanted me to go to special place.
I had no idea.
I had no thoughts of ever fighting when I was 12 years old.
First time I ever got knocked down.
We had a hit with now Jim.
I actually was trying to stealing my dad backyard and I was beating his back one day and his Headway was through a hook and hit me in the back of the head by mistake and dropped me in the gym.
That was a heavy weight.
I was a little kid I was like whoa.
I thought I’d never ever fight every week, let alone becoming weekend.
My first, my first national tournament when I was 15 years old.
You know where that wanted it bantamweek.
119.
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Oh my God! That’S like a kid! That’S Justin Bieber, Wait! No! Only by the grace of God.
I couldn’t thought I couldn’t play it in myself, yeah.
I just couldn’t.
No can’t you never seen nobody at the Olympics turn pro as a Midway or Junior middleweight and say: oh I’m gon na be here boys like that.
Well, somebody’s thinking that way.
Oh God, it wasn’t me, it was God’s plan, God put in, put God put it in there.
We got it done exactly.
I need to know, though, after that moment, what in the hell made you decide to go back down to light heavyweight after becoming heavyweight champion.
Why did you go back down and wait um to be honest with you, I had to confuse, because I thought Bob was hit was right here with champ after he became heavyweight champ now I think, went back down to regain the land we title, but it’s wrong.
He became Headway chair first then after he lost every time.
He went back down in one life every time, and I know that I could have stopped then, but I thought he a woman light and weight head weight and recapture the last week.
So I have wanted to do exactly what he did and I did that and what I should have did, because I didn’t realize how much of a toe there are 25 pounds took out of me for the Long Haul.
I thought it just hurt me that one day I thought, oh, get a little rest on Bill Calvin come back and do it better.
No that took the life out of it.
The first time I should retire well yeah, I I mean – and I would go down to history as the greatest fighter to ever fight, and I don’t understand why.
I’M feeling the greatest fighter doesn’t fight, because, if you’re the same person that did all that.
So what erases the paper I stayed too long or the fact that, because I came all the way down from uh 200 to 175, all muscle stripped my bite of everything that I had to make history.
I thought so that’s the reason you say.
Oh now, you got pounds pound a bit.
Is that how we do this wow? Okay? Well, and that’s the thing that’s so funny about that to me – is yes, I agree that after you beat Harbor the first time, that would have been a good stopping point for you to retire.
I totally agree with that um or to go back up to heavyweight.
That would have been my two options that I would have thought would have been best for you, but every single legendary fighter that go that’s pound for pound one of the best in the world.
In history, all of them Ali all of them, everybody fought fights past their Prime and they all end up losing at some point because they’re fighting past their Prime, because that’s just what Fighters do right so, but does it take away or does it take away from How high they went at the Pinnacle of their practice? I don’t think so, no exactly um and it only.
They only do that.
The only people that do that are the people that don’t know [ __ ] about boxing I mean people, you know it’s really.
The people that that come on and comment dumb, ass, [ __ ] – that’s like you, don’t even know what you’re talking about like people that are like.
Why didn’t you fight? Would you have fought Laila Ali? You can just [ __ ] die 180 some pounds and I fight at 126 and 135.
.
We’Re not even in the same freaking weight class are y’all dumb.
Like know your [ __ ] before you ask me, questions please, please.
You know what I’m saying: um yes, but when you did move back down so talking to the Target fight, first fight, phenomenal, second fight crushed me.
It crushed me of course me too, of course me too, but I know I knew now why it happened.
I knew I knew exactly why it happened.
You know it’s like, but it’s like you know, we go through life, we live, we learn.
We have to keep going guess what I still had to get up again and I had to get up again and keep going so I did I had to get up after the Olympics.
I had to get up after Montreal.
Give a fight I had to get up after the 12, but not got lost.
I had to get up after all the losses.
So you know it’s nice.
I don’t stop.
You know what I mean.
So it’s like nothing’s gon na make me quit.
They can forget that, but you know it’s life but, like I said why am I not judged on what I did in my past because that’s what’s supposed to count? That’S how the football players judged it’s, not a basketball players, the judge, that’s how the baseball players are judged.
Do they all play beyond their Prime yeah? Are they as good as they were in their Prime? No, but are they not judged? I wasn’t getting it right.
I mean 100 percent.
I do feel like, though, if they had not stopped the fight in the second time or fight that, do you feel like that? You would have regained your like.
You would agree, gained your composure.
I feel like you were thinking.
I think I would have.
I had got myself back together about time after a quarter.
I knew where I was, but I had the 10 second account.
I think I would have got back here.
I agree.
I was disappointed because they stopped it.
My body was depleted from the first place, so I think they were trying to just kind of look out because they knew how to think I was the first time they probably felt.
I was just a complete the second time because I lost 25 pounds of muscle.
That’S a lot of weight to lose a lot, a lot of people that don’t know they’re listening right, the girl, um Ellen Nune, I think Zella Nunez, I don’t even freaking call from New York um.
I was winning the fight flash knock down got up.
It was like I went on, I was like the almost the last might have been the last round.
One round before the last or the last round got up was fine, wanted to continue.
Ref waved it off and I think they did that, though, only because that was the only way she was going because she was losing from it um.
So I’ve been in that situation, it [ __ ].
It sucks.
I can’t even tell y’all how much it sucks, but it sucks you don’t know unless you lived it so um Doug we talked about, though we’ve talked about now.
Your four title, your you know your four divisions that you’re in four different weight classes um.
How did you manage to Excel and adapt your your style across all those divisions like? How did you maintain your style? What what made it good for me was that, like I looked at boxer today, and they were not equipped with the tools that I had so many people try to blame it.
On my on my talent, it’s not the talent.
It was my skill level.
I had it immaculous skill level that my dad forced me to learn.
When I first started boxing, I knew how to throw every punch properly.
I knew how to do hip movement properly.
I’D like to defend every punch properly.
I knew everything that was something about throwing defending uh, uh, anticipating I knew all all so I was able to put all of that together.
It took me Way Beyond anybody as I even to this day I watched boxing, but not on the Fly chance.
Crawford could uh, I see tank a few adjustments.
Uh Canelo even has a hard time making he basically he has a hard time with it.
So it’s very hard for now in today’s time to find guys that know how to make adjustments on the Fly, because why most of them are only child to fight one way right.
They don’t have any B, plus there’s no backup plan.
No, it is, you got a good foundation.
You can take that Foundation almost any way you can go, but your body can’t handle so yeah and once once somebody figures that out you’re done because they they can’t make adjustments exactly um the hand, speed, though the hand speed the athleticism.
It’S legendary.
Just like the rest of your career um, how did you own the skills? Was it naturally, God gifted the speed or how did you hone the skills, give us the little secret? How did you get the edge of your opponent’s supposed to be holding the speed holding the skills for my footwork? The feet are everything everybody saying boxes with the hands? That’S why that’s the last piece I go.
My boxing starts with my people.
That’S what makes it so fast, that’s what makes me seem like I’m five times faster than everybody else, because all of my movements are calculated with my feet and done properly with my feet.
So when I do things, I cut that I could call it because I know how to cut Corners, because I don’t want to turn my toe.
I don’t screw my toy when I told my hood.
I turn my upper torso, but I don’t screw my toe in without so.
If you screw that toe in you got ta unscreen to do anything up, I cut that tab down.
I just dragged that foot drag that foot drag that foot.
So if we’ll stop, I can go again these, so it makes me think way faster than most people yeah once again, not natural, not natural.
That’S a technical! Now, when I was an amateur kid when I was younger, my dad had a guy that used to box before me a little bit older me, but we all barked the same time.
He was older than me.
By about five or six years there was Curtis Greene Curtis Greene was the fastest handed fighter.
I ever seen experience called 165 and had the hand of uh Jerry Russell yeah at 165.
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So I learned how I saw how often his hands and his feet were an advantage for him or advantages for him, so I kind of stole a little bit in that too.
I said you got to be quick with it, while you’re doing it.
So I learned that as well.
Yeah you put the speed and the power together it’s over well and not to mention the reflexes, nothing from the reflexes natural reflexes.
What’S up Angie, I see you girl, thanks for joining in uh Michael wants to know.
In your opinion, who’s the next up and coming heavyweight out of the U.
S out of the US Jared, please baby, uh Michael, is there anybody that you really wanted to fight that you didn’t get to fight, they want to know Japan, Chris Eubanks senior and Steve Collins.
I wanted to fight all three of them, but what was funny was that I didn’t notice till later in my career, James Tony kind of had got on television and really made all three of them shut up and back down before I beat him, I didn’t notice To ask it was a little long Beyond My Career, so they wouldn’t think they were all not even considering coming to fight James because it seemed too good.
So if you go beat the guy that they think it’s too good, you think they’re gon na fight you no no, not gon na happen um.
He says he says what has been the biggest lesson.
You’Ve learned from your losses, my main loss was that, like, like, I know that people who are the biggest thing I can tell you the truth, the problem I let people make or allow people to make was.
When I was a fighter, I always kept my little guys with me that I trained to right my little crew, because my crew was a representation of me.
While I let them all cut my cool away from around me.
That made it very hard for me to see what I do wrong.
What I, what I do right or what I don’t do I should do because my crew, watching them every day, reminded me of what to do and what not to do.
But I had an eye on them all the time my people didn’t know us.
Nobody in my gym new boxing.
The way I knew boxes so when I teach my cool stuff, it’s just really a reflection of me and it reminded me of what to do and what not to do so.
Having my crew around really really made it much easier for me because it kept me real mad.
It kept me sharp when my crew got taken away from around me and it wasn’t by me and my daughter, but they always always complaining, because I helped too many people they kept, trying to cut them and cut them and cut them.
So they finally got it.
Where I had nobody well, my crew got cut away from around me little mistakes that I had known not to make from watching my crew.
I started making why? Because nobody in boxing or around me at Sam understood my skill set skill set, came from my dad.
My coach work was good, of course, than a skill teacher.
When I first had him foreign yeah, can you hear me um what they want to know? What needs to happen um for there to be a major for there to be Major League boxing, say it again, um they want to know what needs to happen for there to be Major League boxing uh.
When you say things.
Thank you today.
So Dana came in then around here.
You know what I’m saying: are you in a bad area, again you’re cutting out a little bit again.
They didn’t hear any of that.
They said.
Welcome to my house, okay, you’re, about to go in the house.
Okay, I can’t wait till you get a better connection, yeah, it’s probably connecting to the Wi-Fi yeah.
Yes, Graham.
Yes, sir, okay, good awesome! Yes, all right! You coming! Are you coming back to me? Oh no! We lost him.
No, I’m back! I’M back! I’M back! You know me: I’m back he’s back all right, [ Applause, ] um.
Where was I okay? Yes, I know um it’s great now they said fabulous.
I love you guys.
Thank you for helping me out.
Okay, um! Oh they want you to re-answer.
The major league of boxing, like I said, Vanna White, came in and he started UFC, so I gave him the credit built in the way to be able to kind of run the whole thing because he invented it.
Boxes have been it long before in the book.
Came along so the final, respectful or reputable face unboxing that we trust to run.
It is going to be very difficult, and that would be good if we had that, but they don’t trust nobody.
When you try to say something with social media now anything you say is somebody gon na take a nap, no matter what it is.
You can talk.
Positive all you want, if you say anything too much.
Somebody gon na find a negative way to spend it yeah when they spin it they’re gon na find a few more people that can agree with their negativity and spin it with them.
So nobody ever gon na be right.
Yeah, that’s, like anything, you say, can and will be used against you exactly and that’s how it happened on the internet, now oh yeah and in boxing as a whole lot exactly exactly dirty ass business.
If you’re, not in it, you don’t know – and you don’t understand, but it is yeah.
Um you’ve been in the ring with so many greats.
Everybody knows I don’t even have to mention them.
Who would you consider, though, your toughest opponent, and why it’s tough to pull out the fault was probably James, told it was called James Hunter is capable of knocking you out anywhere from round one to round 15.
now around 12 around 1 throughout 15.
, and we were On the fighting 12 round fight – and he still trying to kiss you after the fight and get you if you can so he was tough.
Also, he fights that shoulder roll, but the same shoulder roll that Flora uses, but James to me was much more devastating because he knocked out more people behind him.
He threw combination.
He went to knock you out, so I always say to me: he was much better shoulder World fighter than Floyd Mayweather yeah.
I can picture it.
I could picture that.
I mean you talk, do you think I mean I’m a fan of Floyd’s, I’m I’m sure you.
I mean boys um, but do you believe I mean he believes really that he’s the pound for pound best? That’S ever lived.
I don’t.
I can’t if you go back even farther past the generations.
I think that he’s phenomenal.
He will be in the top of one of the best to ever live, but what’s your list of top, let’s say top five of all time, including yourself.
Where would you rate yourself top five Muhammad Ali are uh.
I ain’t gon na rate myself up Muhammad Ali um, sugary, Robinson Salvador Sanchez and when I said Sugar Ray, it could be Robert.
They both pretty much the same yeah uh Stabler Sanchez and uh Roberto Duran Mike Tyson Roy Jones.
All of you won that you’ve had a.
What are you? What are some key lessons that you’ve learned about resilience and longevity in this sport? You take care of your body, your body will take care of you.
I didn’t smoke or drink early because I knew I was going to go longer.
I probably was supposed to, and if you think about, I went eight rounds this year at 54 years old, a good, solid, eight rounds for 36 year old, because my body’s still been fortunate enough to be able to go so you take care of your body.
It’Ll.
Take care of you now probably overly abuse, my body with making the weights going up and down all that, but and those things will come between me too, so I’m not saying that won’t be healthy forever, but my body held up for a long time.
I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, not at all yeah.
I know I know I know the song Come On Now um and if y’all can well let it go on any any music platform.
I got a new new thing.
A lot called never turn my back yeah.
It’S me SM bullet and uh.
My son yandere yeah yeah.
I got ta hear that one yeah speaking of your sons, if I’m, if I’m correct you, have twins right, yep, okay, how old are they now they’re 31.
that they never boxed, though no they know about him.
Go to one of your twins.
I got a 23 year old son and I got a 14 year old son.
No, no, no, you don’t watch or they don’t they.
Don’T they don’t want? What else can they do? What else can they do? Oh phone call.
He says I think I lost my audio.
Did you get it? Oh they’re playing they’re saying to do a refresh.
You can’t hear me, can you do a refresh that’s strange, hold on I’ll text them can’t understand.
I can’t hear a thing.
No more.
You can’t hear nothing: okay, he’s doing a refresh thanks guys for joining me, even those of you that are not commenting.
I appreciate you all being here.
It happens after phone calls good to know.
I did not know that yeah, my uh, my guys behind the scenes said that it happens.
When you get a phone call, you lose your audio, I got it so now you know yeah um, let’s see where were we? I guess I ought to ask some of these questions over here before I get too far down.
I miss them all um decentralized, voting and score keeping with Advanced cameras like they use in Major League Baseball, NBA NFL.
I guess they want to know what you think of that yeah I’ll be.
I would definitely be for that anything that make it fair.
I would love anything to make boxes more fair than this now and make boxing right.
I would do yeah I’m tired of the robberies exactly they make it better.
Speaking of robberies um, I know you know my girl, I mean she’s.
My sister love her to death, uh Chevelle Hall back, I know you know it.
Yeah well, y’all are in the same kind of same area, yeah, um, Chevelle and Nick Campbell went with me to Mexico.
For my rematch with Mia St John, my husband couldn’t go at the time, so I called Chevy.
I had just met her uh, not long before that we fought on the same card in California, and I was like I got nobody like.
I don’t want to go to Mexico by myself.
She’S like girl, I’ll, go and Nate’s my boy like I’ll.
Just tell him to come down because I can’t be there the whole week.
So I have him come down and like work out with you and keep you like going and then I’ll come down like right before and corner you, I’m like all right um.
So that was the first time I met Nate Campbell in the airport when he met me at our layover flight, so that was an experience um, but that was a that was an experience.
Um talk about nervous going to Mexico nurse meeting uh a famous professional male boxer, um, and then he being you know, working out with me.
It was a good time, though it was a good time um.
Speaking to her, though her last fight, did you see her last fight when she got totally freaking robbed? Did you see that right not to see Chevy? Last I heard about that.
I heard she got absolutely robbed.
Oh, my God yep I heard and that’s why we need open scoring and we need the event any kind of Advanced Camera we can get, but we definitely need Open scores.
So we can see above before it all happened, a judge.
That’S up with the foolishness.
You know and get him out of there yeah when you no, no exactly your movement footwork.
How did you develop the distinct Style and what role did it play for your success years and years and years of working uh in the gym on footwork? My father made us work on footwork uh diligently, and the football was really the main basis of My Success.
Ma’Am I got you um.
I don’t want to miss anybody’s comments because I don’t want to get mad at me.
Wait we got about two minutes left though.
So, that’s it! That’S it um! Oh, I know after you, after you work with Sharon anyos, she met you in your gym.
So that’s how we got the conversation because she said that you were the only male fighter she ever met.
That was actually like treated her as an equal or friendly.
All of that welcome her in the gym any other female boxers that you have worked with, or what do you think of women’s boxing as a whole?
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