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Transcribed
Good evening talking fight fans around the world – yes, you’ve got Mike and myself here again for another Friday night panel and nobody else.
Of course, man.
You have the die hards right here, but but, as we have done since day, one we will talk boxing and uh.
We’Ll start off with a couple of events that are happening, one happening right now, apparently yeah just started all right.
Yeah man definitely uh guys.
Ladies gentlemen, talking fight fans around the world get ready for some action, starting right now on a platform near you.
That is the irresistible to WBC WBA unified World Championship Kim claval versus Plata.
This is gon na, be a good one, um Jessica, Jessica Plata.
My guess would be Jessica, platica yeah.
No, it’s it’s! Actually! It’S actually Jessica, niri Plata, but yeah Kim Club, Jessica, niri, Plata, light flyweight, title unification, Showdown, live on ESPN plus live coverage from Laval.
Canada begins 7 P.
M.
So, right now the competing the competing against us.
Are they yeah they’re competing against us um? You know, but the prelims right, like not too many people watch them.
I watch them so that I can bring all these wonderful people out here.
These wonderful prospects that continue to follow along – and you know throughout there to everybody to watch, because you know they win.
[ Laughter ], which we will die well: okay, so pull out Plata undercard boats will stream live exclusively in the US on ESPN, Plus at 7 pm Eastern Laval, who is 16-0 with 3kos, won the Pat Tillman award for service at the 2020 SB Awards.
After putting her boxing career on hold to return to nursing during the start of covid-19 pandemic, she came back in July of 2020 Chevy no Natalie Gonzalez over eight rounds inside the MGM Grand bubble gave out dominating long reigning Champion Yesenia Gomez last July, to win the Wbc Title uh seizing her first world title.
Opportunity for Val and Plata were scheduled to fight in December, but had to withdraw with the flute Plato, who was 28-2 with three Kos from Mexico City won her world title last March with a split decision over Argentina’s.
Yes, so this one, what are you thinking here? Um? I, like our girl, Kim clavel, although support the the Canadians um but uh, did you say Jessica Bop is on this card uh? No, no! No! That’S uh! That’S who um Plata won um uh with a split decision was over Argentina as Jessica, because Jessica Bop is right up there with Avril Matthew, oh yeah, in terms of boxing skills in a bikini, all right, yeah uh.
If I were betting man I’d be betting on Kim clavel to win that, but I think she’s, probably hell of a family favorite.
So uh probably no point in betting.
It’S probably like 1200 to win 100 bucks right right, like ridiculous, yeah um.
You know this can be a good one um, you know 16-0 Kim clavel, Jessica, Murray, Plata, 28 and two yeah.
You know the two straps on the line that like fly, titles um.
This is gon na, be a good one and uh.
You know clavel she’s, coming off that wonderful, wonderful, win against uh, yes Nia Gomez, which was back um wow July.
She has been in the ring since July man, wow yeah, it’s uh, it’s been a while, since she’s been in there.
Uh Gomez was 19 5-3 going into that fight uh for about one that by unanimous decision, uh yeah, so definitely she’s.
Uh she’s gon na have her hands full tonight.
Uh jumping in the ring with uh Jessica, Neri Plata, who uh you know, is almost doubled.
The amount of time she’s been in the ring as our uh, our Canadian Kim clevel, but nonetheless I do.
I do have faith in our girl holy crap champ.
How you doing I didn’t know you seen me because you didn’t say nothing he’s too busy talking happy.
Belated birthday, yes, true, thank you very much.
What do you know? 43.
? I just sat around on that day too.
Just sat around and um.
I worked out the day before you deserved it, yeah thanks.
You deserve it.
So what happened? Um, if I don’t like, if I’m running around like in South, like in Philly and stuff, like that, I’m gon na forget so two two weeks in a row, I forgot to come on, and I said, oh God been on.
I think I got ta just stick to because I’ve been training real good.
I’Ve been training, um awake is doing like that, but I’m definitely going to try to get into the 30s.
It’S just a little bit of wine here.
You know and and working hard and Shaniah drive me crazy, so my daughter yeah yeah, I said oh last time.
I forgot two times in a row the one time you wasn’t on one time, the no, no, the one time I just missed you Tim.
I just missed you, I got tired was it it was a show that day yeah.
I was just tired to listen to myself, talk for 25 minutes and but I went on and couldn’t get on, though yeah no, I just signed off and then you came into the green room and then our producer kind of was like looking somewhere else and then Realized that you were there and okay yeah um, but this this fight tonight guys this is gon na, be a good one like what’s the fight.
What is the fight? Uh claval versus Plata uh, this one’s for the unified light fly titles, uh, the WBA and the? What did I say before the WBA, and it knows WBC, WBA and WBC titles actually um this.
You know chemical about sitting forth in that late flight division in the world Jessica, Neri Plata is the number one sitting there with that Crown um.
Just under her you’ll cast the valley and then uh.
You know our friend there Jessica, Yolanda Bop is sitting number three.
So you know Kim uh Kim’s stepping up for this one.
You know come coming up to uh challenge challenge for that crown of the light fly division, uh, which I can’t wait.
Man, that’s gon na, be a good one.
It just kicked off guys so make sure you check that one out you’re not going to want to miss it uh.
It’S got some great undercard action as well, write it down on your piece of paper, because I’ve been I’ve been uh.
I’Ve been um uh, getting affiliated with with martial art, guys and and and doing boxing videos too.
I’Ve been doing them all week.
Trying to we trying to you, know critique these uh, these videos and stuff that tell them what they’re doing to try to help them out and stuff.
So I was doing a lot of that too.
All this week we trying to build the YouTube channel up.
That’S great so so so you talk about different fights.
Now I’m starting to learn about.
I know these two other Fighters, but I forgot already two good boxers: they um what are they middleweights, um and um, one of them’s undefeated, one, the other guy I could have.
I think he won the fight, but they gave it to the guy with the braids.
What’S his hair, a black guy, I’m gon na get it together, guys I’m gon na be better.
Are you talking the fight last weekend? Well, you remember when, when um are you talking Davis, Garcia? No um, did you see? Did you oh on the tank Davis card, yeah stack that card was stacked yeah.
I watched them yeah, so who’s the what’s his name, the guy with the braids.
I think he got knocked down one time: uh Deandre, I think yeah and what’s the other guy’s name, uh yo we had so on that card was it was a good card.
It’S it was the best card that I’ve seen and you know what everybody’s gon na have to step it up to uh to really top that one man that was that was some serious Andres.
What’S his name, Andres yeah, Andres yep, he got knocked down right or he fell down, he did he did he did, but he won the fight and uh.
You know that was his first, his first time up at 168.
So oh you used to talk about him.
A lot you should talk about it, he had just moved up to 168 for that and he was showing us that he’s.
Definitely he definitely has what it takes to be in that division.
He’S undefeated he’s undefeated yeah yeah right.
We also, we also had.
We also had jiren boots Ennis on that card.
Yes, that was a huge that was a huge card, their uh honestly they’re they’re.
The undercard was just as good, like the guys that were on the undercard was amazing.
Defense is just as important a just as beautiful to watch as offense, and these guys, like that, imagine having both you know, the best defenses are offense.
I don’t like that.
I don’t like that.
I like to know both of them just because I know a little bit of Defense.
You know, but I don’t see a lot of Defense, but not only these young guys, man, you know, what’s um, Graham did you? Did you end up seeing that card last weekend? No, no! That’S where you you was about it: hey [, Music ].
It didn’t have boxing where I was [ Laughter, ].
What an awesome card I got! Ta tell you uh! Just just rounding off these names, quick, uh, Jaleel major Hackett, opened it up TKO in the first round over Joel uh guerva Mia Ellis TKO over Karen Dolan Keyshawn Williams, unanimous decision over Gusto David vittori, Lamont Peterson lost, which I was kind of upset about that.
I thought he would uh Peterson from America right yeah.
I thought Lamont, I thought Lamont was going to do well.
Uh ended up with a TKO in the fourth, oh okay, Trayvon Marshall stayed undefeated as he took on Sean West with a TKO in the first round.
Then our man Brandon Lee, remember Brandon Lee Graham yep Brandon Lee stayed undefeated with a fourth round TKO over Diego Gonzalez Luke um Brandon Lee.
This was his first fight back since that knockdown that he had in his last fight and he really looked amazing uh Kyron Davis, another guy, a unanimous decision win over Christian Fabian Rios Vito, Malecki Junior was on this card TKO in the fourth over Omar Rosales, Demetrius Andre A’s decision over Damon Nicholson, rashidi Ellis.
I know we talked about this kid.
I know I know I know you know who he is Graham yep, rashidi Ellis loss to Roman villa yep majority decision.
It was literally all based off that last round.
Oh you talking about Ellis to Ellis Faye, the Ellis fight.
What I think happened was is, to be honest, um.
It was the first time he had been in the ring, and I think I think it was 15 months or something ridiculous.
He hadn’t been in the ring in a while highest highest punch, count thrown and landed in his career.
Thus far.
I think he punched himself out.
He punched himself.
Tired was unable to protect himself properly got caught with his hand.
Down took that left hook was not able to recover back pedaling back pedaling.
It was the first time in the entire match that you seen him on his back foot just trying to stay up.
How long was he off? This was the 12th round.
No, how long was he off yeah well so that fight last weekend and before that he hadn’t thought well, no, he was five months.
Five six months is that five six months and then here’s the thing he was off for almost two years.
Yeah right like he was, he fought Alexis Roca uh October, the 30th 2020 and then didn’t jump back in the ring until he took on Jose uh morafo, which was July 9th of last year.
Okay, so he was literally out of the room for, like you know, almost two: it was two years.
Okay and then you know takes on Jose.
Morafo here takes him out in the first round like it was nothing because you know it was like here.
You know your last fight was against Allen.
Feroca, you beat him by unanimous decision.
Okay, you’ve been out of the ring for this long time for a warm-up fight.
Here’S a gim me here, you go bang, they did it.
Then he gets in.
There takes Aunt Villa Villa’s little joke either.
You know he came in there and you know Ellis landed, some huge numbered shots there, the most in his career, the most you know the most landed in his career, the most throne in his career.
Just by the time he got to that 12th round, he just you know you can see, that’s how he got caught.
He came in lazy, came in lesion had his hand down, you know, and you can see him just looking at it like.
He could see.
That hook coming or that he got caught with wearing his Bell, you know, and he just at that point all he was trying to do – was survive and not and not and not lose the fight there.
You know and then eventually he became a 10-7 round.
Two knockdowns right so yeah and if you listen to Villa’s corner just before that, came out bang, I just brought it to him and then connected with that left and That’s All She Wrote but uh yeah.
You can see rashidi Ellis.
He was a little uh.
A little upset about the about the outcome, but I also found out that rashidi Ellis is actually my neighbor’s cousin uh.
Oh, oh yeah, that’s what my neighbor lives across the street from me.
It’S actually his question.
Okay! So we’re gon na try and get him on the show and find out what happened.
Uh happened in that one man that’d be nice, but definitely what do you? What a huge card, like a amazing card, you know – and that was just that was just touching.
You know the tip of it and then you got tank Davis, Jaren, Ennis and Demetrius Andre huge, huge, huge card.
You know Showtime really showed.
Oh, when is that, when is that that was that was the card last weekend, the heavyweight the heavyweight you talking about heavyweights is tomorrow we’re gon na touch base on that in a minute.
Okay, we’re almost finished.
I guess we’re finished with Kim Koval.
We’Ve talked about her enough.
It started at seven guys, remember, watch out for Carolina girl from Canada, 1-0 Eric bass ran watch out for this kid uh Marie Pierre, who will watch out for her.
It’S gon na be a great fight, USA, ESPN plus guys.
It’S already started so if you want go over and check it or set your PVR and start watching that, because you know what I’m already recording it and I can’t wait to start watching some awesome boxing because we’ve been so deprived because of these holidays.
And we haven’t been getting, I haven’t been getting my boxing fixed.
I have not been getting my knockout fix, guys.
Shame on you.
I know hey, what’s going on Brooke, how are you thanks for dropping comments? What’S up fellas, it’s Chris tank versus Ryan? What’S your thoughts? Uh, who would win anybody? I like I like I like tank, but I also like Garcia, that’s gon na be a good fight.
I think thanks Dr Jeff.
I know you love my big fat redheaded, greasy beard eh anyway.
I I like tank um, that’s going to be a good fight.
I think it’s set for April 15th.
I think it’s going to take place in Las Vegas um.
So that’s a ways away, but uh we have other fights to talk about.
I know boy I face uh fighting tomorrow night right: yes, yes, heavyweight battle, guys Stefan Shaw getting uh getting underway.
Uh, then the heavyweight Cove feature uh Guido vanillio versus uh Johnny, Johnny rice, this one, the Turning Stones, Resort, can’t wait and 10 p.
m; Eastern guys! Uh! That’S when this one gets underway, it’s gon na be on ESPN, plus Sky Sports uh, a jagba Shaw, Guido vanillio, Johnny, rice, heavyweight, double header.
The undercard on here uh loving this one, there’s some great great matchups.
A lot of friends of the channel uh matchups have changed, but high octane heavyweight, double hater will still go down Saturday, um in the 10 round Main Event fa the silent roller, a jagba man.
We all know one of the probably one of the hardest hitting heavyweights doing it right now.
Graham, I know you remember that nasty knockout of the Year where he made that guy sniff his knee on the way down he helped when he twisted him and folded him huge, huge one, um yeah, almost a heavyweight yeah anyway silent roller Jon Boat, will now take On St Louis native thing, you’d lose one fight.
Yes, yes dude.
He hit that dude dude turned around and then nothing.
Oh.
You saw that one yeah yeah, where you go.
He made that guy do the spin.
Yes, it’s it’s! Well, they have it advertised too, like on Facebook and the dude and then totally kissed kisses on me twists he twisted down.
That was good yeah.
He was he he was doing the Chubby Checker.
What are we talking about? [, Music, ], yeah um, but yeah? So this one, you know, uh a jog boss, taking on St Louis native Stefan big Cha-Cha, Oscar Remus was originally slated to fight the jagba, but had to withdraw with an eye injury, yep, uh, Guido, the Gladiator man who was uh scheduled to fight Shaw in a In the co-feature will now face the upset Miner, Johnny rice and a 10 rounder um, this one yeah broadcast ESPN, ESPN, deporte and ESPN plus 10 p.
m, guys 7 P.
M, Pacific undercard belts will stream, live and exclusively on ESPN, Plus um yeah.
Well, you know what else is on that fight.
I know everybody: oh okay, all right so you’re gon na mention Haven, Brady, Jr, oh and Brian Norman and uh Bruce Carrington and Bruce Carrington’s on that as well.
Yes, Bruce our our only uh two-time yep two-time knockout of the week Award winner uh, you know Dante Benjamin another good kid here, man, foreign Haven, Brady, Jr, good fan of the show been here.
Lots of times always keep in touch with this guy.
Our man, Brian Norman Jr, is watch the hello guys 22-0, 19 years old.
What’S that you said, what’s up what was that? No, it’s just whoo! When can you see this kid? Oh, you excited yeah man how’s Mike excited, oh yeah, yo, Brian, the Assassin, Norman Junior, the Assassin too, because his dad, you know, was a boxer as well.
But I’ve been talking about this kid for two years and his ability in that ring his speed his power.
His dominance, his ring IQ, you know this kid he’s he’s the real deal and uh you know he’s been he’s been flying under the radar for a while, and I’m glad that it’s looking like 2023 is going to be a good year for him and uh.
You know he’s going to get the recognition that uh that he deserves man, and I think it’s not going to be too long before we start to see him uh.
You know up in those in those bigger fights climbing in those ranks – hey my boys, oh sure, but yeah so he’s taking on uh Rodrigo Damien Coria uh this one Turning Stone, we’re sending a message to some of my Irish friends in Ireland.
That’S all good.
Tell my cousin, I said hi you tomorrow night’s current huge love, the heavyweights.
Graham, I know you always you’re you’re, always there for these heavyweight belts and uh.
I think I think a joke was going to do exactly what uh what he does best man he he has to win tomorrow night for sure, but he looked kind of sluggish a couple of his fights Alaska fights when he knocked that.
No, when he knocked that guy out no, when you fought that dude when he fought that dude and that other box and he lost um um, the dude was moving a lot.
Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah, Frank Sanchez, um yeah that one that one was back uh when October, the 9th 2021.
I believe it was, you know unanimous decision.
You didn’t get knocked out.
He didn’t get stopped it just you know.
A jogbo was down in round seven, which I believe was his first time in his career.
I seen the fight, I seen it yeah, it was uh, it was.
It was good, it was good, but it um, you know unanimous decision.
It was scored.
91.
98.
92.
97.
91.
98.
So traditional fight for him, just a big fight for him, yeah yeah, just give me a big one for him.
You know: okay, Stefan shot another guy.
You know he’s undefeated 18-0 yeah he’s he’s! You know 18-013 Knockouts he’s ranked fifth right now in that heavy division in the U in the U.
S 28th in the world, you know he’s only 30.
he’s six four, with an 81 inch reach mine’s only 76.
.
There you go and how tall are you champ? Six.
Three there you go so he’s just she’s gon na inch on you in six inch reach.
It’S just like that.
Mine’S is here right like that far yeah wow, that’s a little! That’S a lot say that again whistling push the left: 81.
, okay, yeah, 81, 81 and uh.
You know Big Shot here, he’s uh he’s managed by David water.
You know split team management um, you know, they’ve been doing they’ve been doing some really good things with their Fighters.
You know.
Moving them along very well.
Definitely definitely got their best interests at at heart, but yeah this kid’s from uh.
You know St Louis Missouri.
This is gon na, be a big fight man and uh yeah.
I think he’s gon na come through with this.
One yep definitely has to come through with this one, because uh Stefan Shaw, he’s coming off.
His last fight was against uh uh Rydell Rydell Booker back in uh November, like he only just fought in November, so he thought actually the 22nd.
The 22nd of November is when he fought so literally like two months ago and uh.
That was a unanimous eight round.
You know eight rounds that was great before that he took on Bernardo Marquis uh that one was a kale in the first round.
Marquis was down three times, count was waived, so you know this kid’s got heavy hands too.
So you know this is good.
This is definitely gon na be a big battle of the the heavyweights man.
I can’t wait and I love these people.
Speaking of heavyweights, I see that uh Anthony Joshua has moved his training now to the U.
S he’s taking Tim’s advice.
He’S he’s coming out some real training.
Is you on the west coast yeah, you know he’s gon na be knocking on your door in 20 minutes Tim hey.
If he did hey things have fallen.
I know exactly what he needs.
You know what you know.
What, when you, when you answer the door just make sure you’re wearing your green belt, [ Laughter ] had one oh, the smaller guy came and took it away.
Yep yeah Chinese, oh gosh, honestly he’s got uh.
I’M glad that he’s focusing on his training apparently he’s.
Also getting like help like mental health help he’s been yeah.
I was thinking about that.
That’S not no escape goat.
He really need that.
Yeah he’s he’s.
You know what, when he lost it usick the first time he uh he was.
He was, you know, half of the person he was, you know, half of the man.
He was behind him yeah.
You know he he really looked like he shouldn’t have been there, he looked like he was being outclassed and you know, but also then there was the fact that you know he was out of the ring for like almost 18 months and then you know, Lucy comes Up and it’s not, you know like we were looking at seeing a Joshua Tyson, Fury fight, so you know that that could have had factors too right, because he, you know he was training for a different kind of guy and then like so you know, we got Usik who’s stepping up and now usick’s a smaller guy with a way different kind of style.
You know he likes to play those angles he likes to get on the inside and then shoot to the left or shoot to the right and stay and work that body and work.
You know, and it’s just something that Joshua was ready for Joshua.
Don’T have the right people around him to direct them finish.
You can finish, he doesn’t have.
He doesn’t have the people around him to direct them in the right direction in terms of skills, a plan to beat this Southpaw or whatever he doesn’t and that’s where it falls at and that’s the truth right I mean you go get in shape, all you want, But if, if you, if you can’t execute and do those proper things to help you get that title, you can knock somebody out because you’re strong in good shape, but it’s a harder Road.
It’S a harder Road.
When and and the good education from people that know uh make your job easy, it happens for me, it got me ready.
I only had seven amateur fights and um just got in there.
You know what, but you know what you were a gladiator on, that football field.
Lots though right, but playing football, yeah, you’re you’re, a gladiator, you didn’t need no amateur fights man, you’re fighting on the field, every freaking down every yard, [, Music ].
I had other struggles that that equivalent to that to what you’re talking about you know what what position did you play? Champ tight end.
I was a tight end.
I made all Philadelphia um.
I, if you put that ball in that area, I’m gon na catch.
It um they could depend on me.
I wasn’t real fast.
I wasn’t real fast, but if that, if they told me to you, know wind up over there, I’m catching that ball, you know, but if they had patterns they had patterns, I ran my patterns and um.
You know it worked out pretty good um, this guy Tommy Wade in my neighborhood instead of us getting in gangs.
He would come in.
I said this before in the show.
Take us all to the park like three uh Friday, Saturday and Sunday, then they’d even go back to New York.
You work for NBC, uh, the newscasting company and it’s him and a couple other people Peter asking this Jewish guy that helped us go in the right direction, but I was, I was doing pretty good.
My brother was all state Anthony yeah.
He runs 100 and like um, he found a hundred and like not uh 11.
, that’s not bad, I can run 100 and about a week he got a scholarship.
He made Allstate it’s like.
I got gas in the car, he went to Arizona, he went to Arizona.
So it was a good thing, you know, and that’s got me ready for boxing – that got me ready for boxing.
I was used to the contact and you know that got me ready for that.
So the helmet, a headgear, was like a helmet, you know and the gloves you know and I felt like I was in some contact Sports again.
I knew I could do it that helped me.
The football didn’t help me yeah, absolutely uh.
Brooke says I feel he needs to focus more on boxing bases and become sound in his abilities.
Sometimes I feel he doubts himself.
That’S what I’m that’s what I’m saying like.
Sometimes you really really need to just go back to the fundamentals.
Man and – and you know, reconnect I’m gon na make mine short.
You got ta have the fundamentals there for you yeah.
If they’re not there, then what can? What can you do exactly exactly? Sometimes you get the right people.
Sometimes you got to go back to the drawing board.
Sometimes you guys just got ta.
You know who’s gon na be waiting for him at the drawing board.
Nothing face the music go back and start working on your basic jab cross hooks up.
Let’S go back to the fundamentals and and give yourself that confidence back, because he just didn’t have no confidence.
You had to have the right people around you, the confidence to come right in there like that.
It only takes a couple of minutes.
It takes a 20 20 seconds, I’m telling you see the first train I was with, I didn’t know he was a uh, what he was whatever they just, and I was wondering why I was getting hit or not.
When I got with slim, I saw the big change and all my everything was like wow.
I got a good trainer.
You know that, motivates you you keep going hard as you could.
You could probably be a champion, but that trainer helped you get it easier easier.
Uh way into this, hey you guys, hey get on your y’all talking about um, Anthony Joshua, talk it talking about you, then what was really quick, really quick um! You know he talking about skills, he was talking about skills and everything, and I said well, you need the right people giving them to you.
So you know what they are.
If you don’t wind up with the same results right see, that’s the thing can I join.
Can I can I yeah Sugar Sugar? Did you do your hair just for me, honey? Listen.
You know everything’s! Just for you Mike.
Thank you.
You might have to share me with some others, but yo.
Listen.
I learned in kindergarten, Sharon’s caring, all right so yeah um.
I def, I I feel you and I want to say tell my testimony as far as the experience as a fighter um in in actually getting the right people or the right person.
You know as a fighter you you when you get to a point, and I know the champ Tim is once is going to say this.
You you get to a point where you you, you don’t hear what you’re supposed to hear.
Everybody wants to tell you what you wanted here right and a lot of the times.
It’S the person who is objective, you know and and we’ll see the holes in your armor.
That is the right person for you right, because now they’ve opened your eyes to where you can work on yourself and you’re.
You can extend yourself a little bit more and once you’re able to extend yourself, like the champ Tim says, you’re able to be more confident in stepping up to whatever opposition that comes to you.
Okay right, so you know the formula is finding what’s right and a lot of these Fighters too, they feel like they can run to.
You, know the popular guy, the popular trainer at the time, because they’re gon na work day Magic on me.
You know what I’m saying: yeah the sauce gon na work on on my recipe and absolutely not right.
You got ta, you got ta gel with your team.
You got ta gel with who you’re working with they got.
Ta Styles make fights right, so they got ta.
Um fashion, your style to where you’re you are success, successful and you are uniquely successful now with Anthony Joshua right.
Is that what we’re talking about yeah, I think Anthony Joshua didn’t have the the time to really um mature as a heavyweight and um Tim.
You Graham uh Mike y’all May y’all made, you know, have something to say regarding the maturity now of a heavyweight fighter, most heavyweights mature down into the the latter years, where they they understand what their bodies do.
They understand their strengths.
They know you know how how to buy the time in the ring and what the general ship needs to be on their part.
I think Anthony Joshua might have been a a late bloomer, and then they put him in situations where he was not able that the spotlight is so much on him to where he was not able to make the mistakes or to really um.
Do you know get the Kinks in his armor that he needed to be him in the ring now I think he still has that amateur mentality and the heavyweight body exactly he’s saying you got the key there.
The thing is, I didn’t mean to cut you off.
No do it, but but the knowledge of the people around him, the education, the things that’s going to motivate him to think that’s going to make them know that that’s the way this is supposed to go.
He know that you know you know that right hand put the drill here.
He got hit that confidence.
Um is what he didn’t have to talk about all that other stuff, but that was one of the main things there.
He was in good shape.
He got in good shape when he got everything good yeah when he got up against good good like like, like his opponent, is in front of him.
They exposed that and though mentally he was like probably said that I wonder what what I’m gon na do.
Next, we’re in this boxing in this box right, you know because there’s no still wet right, Tim, his wet his nose still wet he.
He don’t know the the intricacies of.
He also doesn’t think he also didn’t fight that often that’s another thing.
Okay, like when you look when you look at like how often he would fight if you go back to like uh, okay, let’s go back last time.
We fought uh Joseph Parker 2018 March, the 31st.
Then he fights povetkin 2018 September.
Then he fights Andy Ruiz 2019 June, then December of 2019 fights Randy Ruiz.
Then he takes on Corbett.
Pool of 2020 December then he’s out of the ring until he takes on usik, which is in September the 25th 2021.
So literally, like he’s spending years out of the ring fighting once a year, you are not gon na be fresh.
I don’t care how many times you’re in the gym, if you’re, not in that ring getting the ring experience you get that ring Russ and you can see.
This is what me and The champ is saying, though, that’s why sometimes sometimes to the drawing board and work on the fundamentals right, the fundamentals.
Don’T work, nothing works, but how you going? How are you going? You didn’t have no fundamentals to go back on, though.
That’S the problem deal with these high-profile dates that they put him in, because these are high profile dates and they’re, not allowing him to develop right, so they haven’t put him in there.
Look at the old school fight.
Look at the fighters back in in uh champ Tim’s day, right Tim, you were able to fight some.
You know some gatekeeping guys, and then you had a big date right right.
Uh Joshua didn’t get that it was big fight after big big platform after big platform.
After big, so he’s got to be damn near perfect every time he goes in, there’s no measure, he doesn’t get a chance to measure.
So it’s I I it just like you said Mike.
It’S he’s not fighting often, but when he does fight, these are Big Ticket.
Fights these are the on.
You know it’s there to make money they’re for him to perform and he wasn’t able to develop the tools right so now he has that immature mentality going into this.
I think it I think, in a sense the fame ruined Anthony Joshua right.
If you look, if you look at his resume right, you’re talking about a kid that in 2014 fought, I believe, five or six times six, no seven times you fought seven times in 2014.
He fought another four or five in 2015, fought three in 2016.
, two in 2017 and then two in 2018, and then one a year come on.
My two cents on this is uh.
The pressure that he faces as a top level heavyweight fighter in Britain must be tremendous.
I think I think that’s probably one of the reasons he’s moved to the U.
S to get away from the day-to-day pressure that the the UK press put on these guys.
It doesn’t have any private experience around them.
That’S really one of the main things it’s true they’ve been here and done that that’s really wonderful.
They said I’m ready man when I got with slim.
I knew where I knew that was it and I went down a lot of different other places.
Man I said wow, I’m blessed.
I got a good trainer he’s still ranked the number two heavyweight in the UK.
Right now I mean who else gon na be um, who, who else I’d like to see I’d like to see him fight Otto Wallen? Well, I want to see him fight Joe Joyce who’s on his heels Joe’s tough Juggernaut man he’s the only he’s a he’s.
The heavyweight that’s got the gas tank that just don’t quit man that guy from the time he was five years old and he can Outlast any heavyweight in that ring and stamina and he’s got a chip go Joyce, Joe Joyce.
Okay, he’s right now he’s the most avoided.
You got nothing.
You got nothing to gain by fighting that guy except a broken jaw.
That’S it so.
Who’S got the star quality now in these names that you’ve named depends if you’re listening to the US or UK, because, honestly in truthfully, there are two different hot meds as we’ll put it right and right.
He believes that older guys are the top, but you know listen, there will be a shift, there will be a shift and it’s coming there’s a lot of new heavyweights that are just coming up.
Of course, you know that that’s just the that’s the nature of the industry right, there’s always someone coming it’s just that I.
I really believe that, with the the Anthony Joshua situation he’s he is in over his head at this point, because now you know he’s there’s there’s no down time for him.
He then there’s no off day for him.
There’S nobody around him yeah.
He just needs it and there’s nothing to see us shrinking.
That’S all you’re gon na tell him sure he’s gon na tell him this.
Stop it.
Yes, stop it what’s up guys, it’s the bad girl of boxes.
Word on the street is: is that uh you and drilling got a match coming up? Yeah you gon na take on Sonya tomorrow, yo I’m ready! Oh Yeah Tim.
You can be the special guest ref, we’re uh.
It’S gon na come out of retirement, I’m not even walking in here and just fight it up.
Yeah, no training.
I don’t need any training for her.
I figure you should lender your boots, though good one.
You have to go.
Watch my podcast on Tuesday Sonja can’t wear my boots.
Okay, and we already know right is not she’s not at the level to even be a conversation for Brooke or myself right.
We were giving her an opportunity to um.
You know have some shine have a bit of shining and she wasn’t mature enough to understand.
Oh, this looks like a fight yeah Brooke yeah.
What’S the hubby got to say I know I know he wants to say something, humble okay about the whole Sonia thing.
Is it Rumble not in the jungle? For me I to me I guess is basically about it.
Um being courteous, I guess for her.
She may be young in the sport, so um.
If I invite you – and you tell me, you’re going to come and then you change your mind at least give me the courtesy of telling me that you changed your mind before the show um, not during the show or five minutes after it started, because you think I’M gon na go in on you because of the decision.
I can’t change the decision, but I just want to hear what you have to say about it.
You know there wasn’t a crucifixion, but apparently I guess you know she.
She thought it was going to be a crucifixion it wasn’t, it wasn’t going to be it wasn’t going to be, it was just going to be hey.
I don’t know if I said but but for me me and Brooke fought at the same time.
So for me, as a fighter, I really don’t care what you have to say: um, I’m gon na speak my piece and then you can have your peace and your peace, but I’m not going to shy away from the conversation, because this is what the sport is Right, the announcer is going to ask me if I felt if I won a loss, even if I win or lose so.
I can’t just walk away from that.
You’Re gon na have to answer some tough questions, sometimes even when you don’t want to it has nothing to do with Jesus.
That’S that’s between you and the person.
That’S asking you the questions that Jesus didn’t belong in that situation.
No, no! Well! This is because this is why it confirms you know this.
The drilling is a wet nose, meaning she really.
She is not mature enough for the situation she’s placed herself in or you know that that has come upon her right and I I mean I do get it.
I get it Brooke I get it um, Mr Millbrook.
Okay, I get um, I get, how y’all feel about it, but come on.
We know this too in this industry, this industry ain’t, for you, know, people the uh corporate people right.
You have people, that’ll stand your ass up as you are walking up the steps to fight yeah.
Your fight will fall through your fight will fall through and um.
It ain’t nothing for interview to fall through it ain’t, nothing, but not a blackout right.
I wasn’t.
Even I was upset well that she didn’t show up, but the things she said in the email were personal, personal Jabs.
At me.
That was my problem.
Like okay cool, you didn’t show up, but then you sent a disrespectful email to me, calling me like and then putting on Facebook, that I was the devil and I’m possessed like a girl.
She exposed herself if anything, right yeah.
So that was that’s where it is.
Basically, what what you said it’s it’s about your your level of it’s just immature, not! Yes! We can see that she ain’t ready.
You know, as you said, Brooke her ain’t ready right.
She ain’t ready, she’s gon na have to answer those questions the receipt she got that name on her receipt now and she’s gon na learn real quick, learn, real quick.
I know personally, that’s exactly what happened with my career.
Who did I fight first? In my fourth fight, if she would have showed up John so therefore she could have spun that whole interview into something very positive for her career, but really it wasn’t even negative.
No, I mean I I literally he made it negative because of hearsay.
Yes, that’s exactly what happened.
He heard she heard some stuff that might have been posted, we’re women Behaving Badly.
Let me tell you something about us.
That’S right these! If I did it I’ma stand behind it because I’m a bad it works, you would have showed up and be like and what and what? Yes, what do you got to say and Chevy got robbed and guess what girl we gon na fight again when I’m ready.
So a lot of these women a lot of these broads step in the ring and step in this game, and they really don’t understand that you got to be bad.
You really got to be bad to do this thing.
You don’t want to piss these two okay, you don’t want to piss these two.
Ladies man come on.
Now you got ta have the gut.
So it’s boxing.
So we talking about a fight, I’m kind of confused, all right champ.
So this well Brooke.
You want to tell them okay, so I don’t know if you saw it, but Chevelle hallback fought Sonia drilling.
You know Chevelle right.
Thank you.
Okay, well, Chevelle is like a boxing icon.
She’S, like she’ll, go down in history as one of the greatest ever like she’s and she’s, 51 years old and she’s still fighting, and she took this fight with Sonia drilling.
I think was five and three, or something and Chevy won the fight hands down and they gave it to drilling on decision, so she got robbed.
So I immediately posted on social media that it was a robbery and I posted footage of the fight and then sue with W band shared it on W band.
It was public knowledge, everybody and so, and then I asked yeah.
I asked Sonia if she would come on my show and have an interview and literally the whole first hour of the show was literally gon na just be about her like giving her the spotlight how’d you get into boxing blah blah blah, hey um, and then it Was gon na go into? I was gon na bring Chevy in, say.
You know it was a big controversy in your last fight like how do you feel about the situation? Do you think you won the fight? Do you want a rematch to clear up the controversies and then that was it like, but the rest of it was going to be about her, but then she sent me she decided to not show up.
I talked to her all week.
I talked to her the day of the interview good to go I’ll, be there see you tonight.
Time comes on to go, live she’s, not there.
So I call her no answer.
I text hey, I don’t know if your time zone is off like maybe but the show’s right now thinking, maybe just she had the wrong time.
Then she texts back.
I sent you an email in the email.
She called me a Karen.
She said I was jealous and envious of her that I was um them find words and they broke yeah and I’m reading this email and we’re already like 10 15 minutes late to go, live and Eric’s like well.
What do you want to do, and as soon as I got to the end part where she said, I was jealous and envious? I said uh spin this right now cause I’m ready to go.
Put it put me on because I’m gon na let her know.
I know for a fact she’s watching this live right now, put me on and I just let her have it.
You’Ll have to go back and watch it.
I didn’t spare any feelings, yo, honestly, the only time I ever heard of this girl again.
No! No! No! I heard of her before when they used her for the showcasing of O’Shea Jones after she got signed after the Olympics before yes, the last three were actually um had pretty good records.
One was like eight, no six and oh seven yeah.
She didn’t win a fight.
After that, yeah that’s what I said in the interview I said as soon as she faces any decent opponent.
She’S gon na learn real quick, but you know from from what I understand about her though she she has some.
She has some victories behind.
You know her journey, you know like she.
She I think she was like a Golden Glove uh, A ranked Golden Glove, um Contender and things like that coming out of amateurs and stuff yeah.
So she I mean I mean she got some background in there.
I want.
I want credit right because I mean listening.
I want to say this right, um.
We we have to this to me this ain’t, this ain’t, a surprise.
It ain’t new, we just we just kind of exposed, one of them for what they are.
Okay, there are, I mean, I would say, 90 of these broads with the names that you know are very much like Sonia.
You know what I’m saying they’re like that yo, what you guys, what you guys might not know is that drilling is also Owen.
Three in her bare knuckle pro career too.
Oh, I didn’t know that I’m going to listen, she gets in there and she fights she got in there with.
She got to listen right and Chevy.
She took from Chevy, she gave the Chevy Chevy.
She said she.
She ain’t put her hands on her right, but what I want to say about this Sonia drailing situation is you know these things happen right, Brooke like I, I know they do but way about it.
I know but you’re gon na let you’re gon na let this wet nose.
Broad like be something you know.
What knows me, which is wet nose, means her nose run, you know, listen, I mean you think life’s fair and all that you know she ain’t been seasoned enough in the moment.
Okay, I was reading this email.
I was supposed to be going live for the first time by myself.
My first show, I don’t think, like I spent so much time.
I wrote out like six pages, the whole show like what I was gon na do.
What I was gon na ask.
I prompt videos like for hours, like I I’ve like put a lot of time into this and talk to her multiple times.
I really didn’t even care that she didn’t show, because I knew Chevy would come on the whole shelves which granted I’m gon na have her on again, because that wasn’t the Chevy show.
But the problem with it was the personal disrespectful things that she said to me.
In the Heat of the Moment, so that’s the reaction you’re going to get when you come at no mercy.
I instantly went to that person and that’s all you saw on the show.
There was no Brook there, okay, so well! You know I was ready to fight.
Yes, I mean that that’s an angle yeah, I’m done fighting.
I am I’m done fighting these broads out here, right and yeah.
I just want to get to know him a lot of them that I already know him, but I don’t like them right and I don’t like them, but I still don’t let it affect the fact that the bigger picture is yeah.
You know it it’s about giving it’s about doing its value, yeah to it is free and what we doing right.
So I’m not, I think it was entertaining.
I think everybody was entertained with the show she she got in there with uh uh.
She got in there with a great fighter.
She you know she gave and took, and you know I’m I’m.
It gets caddy in this industry and I’m not trying to like I’m a grown ass woman.
I’M not trying to go there.
I don’t fight.
No more.
You know what I’m saying so right I mean the deal is Brooke.
You learned a lot from from where oh I did how she did you right and, and then we move on from that.
But you know this is women’s boxing.
I really appreciate you guys.
All of you, even you, champ um for you know, have been having us on the show and and letting us to bring our drama on on this platform.
The female drama there’s always drama, yeah yeah Drama.
We know it is what it is, but I think it definitely made for an interesting first uh solo show, I think everybody enjoyed.
She enjoys it as grandma.
I think there’s something uh for them to talk on.
One of your shows find out what cause I’m confused.
Apparently the show’s still going on I’ll watch my go watch my show from Tuesday you’ll you’ll get it watch the show from Tuesday.
Okay, you know, and – and this is the thing um Tim – I I wanted to ask you – you know uh it coming up um.
Did you know when you were coming up management wise or when you were getting your fights? Did you know whether did you know what the outcome would be of your fight, like you know how they have now, with these guys saying I’m a side he’s B-side yeah? I don’t know brother did you know who that the opponents uh early in my career? I knew that the opponents um we’re going to be guys that was going to try to you, know, kill me or not me.
I knew that they were just opponents, some of but a lot of.
My a lot of my opponents were like some was undefeated.
Some had good records, you know how they bring you in, and you know that’s you’re gon na lock the guy out sort of like thing yeah foreign fights later before somebody was undefeated and I fought a couple of easy fights, so you kind of like no.
We I had her.
I I forward some some good opponents yeah, so you knew in a sense that you were a you were being developed in some way where you were gon na get in there and they were going to test a good opponents.
I was being developed and I knew that, but the higher I got the more harder my opponents were like compared to some of those guys that was coming up.
They had guys you just walk in you know and just knock them right off.
No, it got harder.
As I went up the ladder I fought undefeated up, I found some Ratliff at 12-0.
He was undefeated what about when you fought Oliver right.
That was like your first, your first guy who had some actual ring experience.
You remember that fight Oliver Wright.
I knocked him out yeah Martin Luther King Arena Philadelphia.
He knocked him out in the second round right yeah.
He was six, he was 16 13 and one – and you were on your fifth fight – that’s I think, that’s equal because yeah you know that sequel.
He had all that experience and I’m just learning.
I just had a good trainer that I had faith in and um.
That’S what that was a lot of my bites.
You know.
So what do you think about how they’re moving these guys now then yeah? They are, but I, but I’m kind of confused about a lot of things.
That’S going on um, with with the opponents and stuff like that, I haven’t been up to date.
I’Ve been telling these guys before uh.
Some of them look really really easy and then there’s something that looks compatible compatible but um um, but we you know when we were coming when we were coming up man, we we some of us had hard fights.
Some of us had real, easy fights so um.
I had I had a lot of hard fights when I was coming through.
I had to be ready all the time I had a good time, yeah you’re talking about a different, a different era of boxing versus what we have today.
I think that real, quick and, like I said I keep talking about the knowledge and these little tricks that Old-Timers had they’re gone, and this they’re gone right, and this is what people are not seeing on them like putting their one hand out there and blocking this And that and and other things, they’re not seeing them in the little tweet tweaks, you know what I’m saying and but the thing about it is um.
You guys, I would say that those trainers are pretty much extinct now.
You know I mentioned it on one of my shows, where all the knowledge of that they’re they’re dead, and now you have these guys that read how to be a boxer in a book they watch a couple Teddy Atlas Clips or whatever you know what you know, What they say what they say, you know what they say: those who can’t do teach.
I think that a lot of the boxers don’t even know who they are themselves as a fighter.
They always want to imitate someone else that they see that’s great.
Instead of figuring out what you do best or what you’re best at versus trying to be Floyd, Mayweather or Roy Jones Jr, and then you get a trainer that has a great fighter.
But the only thing he knows how to train is how he can train that great fighter that he has.
He can’t adjust himself to you.
So if you can’t adjust yourself as a trainer to the fighter, you’re going to screw him up, because he knows very little, so you need to take the things that he’s good at and make him better at those things, both in a sense the the trainer need.
The trainer has to see what that, basically, what that fighter has to what he’s good at and what he’s not good at and college.
I just start developing them, I just whatever they need.
I understand what he’s saying you know she’s what he’s good at and what he’s not good at you just got to teach them both anyway and you’ll, find out all that afterwards.
So not a new fighter, I’m talking about like a like an Anthony Joshua someone.
That’S already that makes it even easier that makes it even easier because he’s already up there, you know what to fix.
So you got a brand new car, the tire breakdown.
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