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EPISODE: Episode 19
A great discussion between Cedric and Mike on the knockout of the week. Knuckle Up’s Mike Orr who always discusses young and typically undefeated knockout artists.
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Transcribed:
[, Music ] welcome talking fight fans to another wonderful installment of your favorite show of the week.
That’S your knockout award the knuckle up knockout of the week with mike oren cedric ben cedric, how you doing my man, i’m good man, good man, great night of fights, great night of knockouts stoppages, whoa whoa right last name was last night was big in the world Of savages when it comes to uh, when it comes to pro boxing man uh, you know there was a lot of commercials.
Last night, i must say a lot of commercial breaks other than the extra commercials.
That was a record for the length of of um time between fights for my car.
That had to be that had to be oh, my god like it was it was.
It was unreal man, it was unreal.
Um i was i was i was.
I was ecstatic man, i was so happy with uh yeah.
It happened, but uh yeah man.
So, let’s uh, let’s talk about it.
We had.
We had a big card right.
We had uh, we had the herring stevenson card uh on that card as well.
We had evan holyfield xander zayas um, nico ali walsh and uh troy eisley haven, brady, jr um, shout out to haven, uh, he’s gon na be joining us in a couple of weeks.
Uh jump on and talk about.
His unanimous decision win, that’s improved from the 4-0 uh troy eisley uh came through with a nice stoppage last night it was great, but the one, the one that’s uh one, that’s really just you know, put people uh put people on that map.
I guess is that that cob, antoine copp, coming through on his pro debut against jerome campbell and it ended in a beautiful fashion, with a brilliant knockout.
He is our winner.
It’S spectacular and uh guys.
The picture on the thumbnail is actually the shot.
Yes uh.
You can find the link to that knockout highlight in our comment: description, uh, courtesy of our producer who’s, going to drop that any minute guys anton quoi, uh antoine might be that that might be the thumbnail of the year.
I think yeah, honestly uh brilliant overhand right well-placed well-timed, accurate, accurate, accurate right on the chin.
I tell people all the time like you know, we watch fights and like you’ll, see fights where you know um.
The person will have.
You know cuts here and a blade leaking from the nose, a cut from the eye they’re.
You know they’re in battered and bruised all over their face and they can still come through.
You know the gaudy war type fights they can still come through, but right here, this area from right here along that jawline, any type of power lands along the jawline yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
So that’s what it was, especially when you’re not expecting it um his opponent.
I forget the opponent’s name again but um, because he kind of he kind of slipped the jab and then, with that right hand cane.
He didn’t.
He didn’t even see it coming when he when he was turning his head back.
He was met your hand and this that the right hand said no you’re turning your head, the opposite direction: yeah yeah, you know what uh it was.
It was well placed.
It was brilliant uh.
I keep watching it over and over again just to see.
If i can hear any extra sounds but uh you don’t you don’t hear nothing but leather on face in my house honestly, if the ropes leather leather, on face at a high pace, [ Music ].
If, if the ropes weren’t there, that man would have been sitting in the front row, that’s how hard he got hit honestly it was.
It was one of those like, like those dramatic.
Those dramatic drops that you see in the movies like the nice shot and then the i like highlight: yeah yeah.
Definitely definitely a boxing movie knockout.
Definitely a boxing movie knockout uh it is it is.
I know it’s got to be in running for knockout of the year.
Definitely, yes, yeah definitely running! For that.
I give it off to man.
Like you know, it’s not it’s not many times that these guys will come in and on a pro debut uh win with such such pizzas.
Everybody wants to have that type of debut, but it’s hard to force it like it’s hard to force yourself to have a spectacular, spectacular, knockout.
Every single boxer wants all their fights to go like that right, it’s very rare that it happens.
So that happened in your pro days.
That’S that’s.
You know, that’s even more.
The reason why you got to knock out of the week.
Oh oh yeah, oh yeah, knockout of the week for sure uh hands down heads down our window and i told you – and i told you i told you i already knew the winner i had picked.
I was convinced that this was our winner to all the fans out there watching.
I didn’t want to spoil it for you.
I didn’t want to tell you who it was so you guys could get here today and uh.
We can discuss it.
Um also also uh.
I just want to give a shout out uh to all the fighters that competed on friday at the olympia theater montreal quebec, canada uh, you know shout out, goes to all the people there that won uh.
There were no knockouts on that card at all.
Actually, the entire card went unanimous decision.
Uh, it went the distance uh.
You know, there’s a bunch of four rounders, a six but then uh.
We had uh oscar rivas versus ryan uh, and you know what yeah yeah rosicky sorry uh, you know what it went, went.
The distance he went on points uh rivers was deducted a point in round 12 for the low blow.
So there could be.
A lot of a lot of you know could be one of the reasons why he did lose, but who who um rivas won this one? Oscar rivas won that you know, you know, improves to 28 and one um, and you know what ryan sorry you’ve uh you.
I guess you suffered your first loss in your career uh, it’s unfortunate uh.
He was uh 13.
I believe 13 and uh yeah thirteen.
You know what much respect to ryan rosicky.
First of all that was um.
He usually fights that cruiserweight.
That was this was his first step-up fight and talk about a big step up fight.
It was for a championship belt against oscar rivas who’s um.
Who has a lot of experience? His only loss was to dylan white, i’m pretty sure, yeah um, you know a hard, a big guy heart puncher and for um for ryan.
You know for rosicky to go to distance with him and have a close fight with him.
You know that’s that still means something shout out shout out to his coach, steve, bailey, very good, coach, um, amateur and pro coach.
So i know he had him prepared um, so yeah shout out to the canadian ryan rosicky, definitely for sure.
Uh final scores, final scores.
Where uh jack jack woodward scored at 115, 112.
um, jose manzour, scored it 116 111 and juan carlos uh paleo uh scoring at 115, 112.
and uh.
There’S your unanimous rivas coming through with the victory but uh.
You know what really really happy that ryan uh.
You know performed the way he did right at the distance uh.
You know what great card great card out of montreal.
You know what a lot of technical boxing there, man, no knockouts, no tkos everything went the distance uh.
It was a great card to watch guys if you can go back check it out.
I believe it’s on fight pass.
You can catch that or you can catch the highlights over on youtube uh, it’s great, but the talk of the night man.
Honestly, the talk.
The talk of the entire evening today is the entire card.
Comparing stevenson yeah.
I’Ve asked for it better, couldn’t ask for a better card.
Let’S start with start from the main event and work our way down.
Um.
Let me just i want to make something clear right now, because before everyone gets on on uh, everyone jumps on it stevenson, i’m making a prediction right now, eventually, in the next couple of years he will be undisputed pound for pound champion, like i think it’s going To be in agreement um right now, right now most people say either canelo earl spence terence crawford between us.
As far as the pound-for-pound king of boxing in a couple of years, i’m i honestly believe shakur stevenson will be that unanimous decision, that’s um! That won’t be debatable.
I said this since uh um, you know just his boxing knowledge, his iq in the ring.
Like he’s, you know sometimes you’ll see a kid that looks that acts more mature, more mature than their age yeah inside the ring.
Like shakur stevenson, he does like he’s more mature than his boxing than his boxing age.
He knows his distance perfectly um.
You know even just going back to his last fight where a lot of people were criticizing him for not trying going for the finish.
He was honest, he’s like yo.
This guy hits hard like he hits hard.
I wasn’t trying to get hit.
I knew i was winning, so i just kept doing what i’m doing just to get just just to win.
So you know he.
He has a good boxing head on his shoulders.
Hopefully he keeps he stays focused, not give himself trouble outside of the ring, but yeah yeah shakur stevenson he’s he he’s going to be that next pound-for-pound guy last last night i said he was very impressed um.
I did call it, i called yes, you did yes, yes, you did mike.
Yes, you did call it just to make it official mike did call that stoppage 10th round.
I will give him full credit for that.
Yes, you did.
Yes, you did [ Laughter, ], um and but honestly he fought like the taller man last night.
He he fought, he fought bigger.
He fought like the reach didn’t matter.
If he fought like he was even um.
You know he he was untouchable.
His defensively, you, you said it right there, the reach thing, it’s almost like, like stevenson, he he knows.
He knows your distance.
What you can do and what he can do and it looked like herring was – was trying to figure that out during the fight yeah.
I’M saying like, like stevenson already had he already knew that calculation.
How far i need to stand where you can’t hit me, but i can still get to you yeah you, even though you might have the longer reach and harry, was trying to figure that out trying.
So hard that he abandoned, he abandoned his double jab.
I believe it was by the end of the fourth round he had.
He had abandoned his technique of throwing the double jab, because the second job was being missed and causing him to use too much power and tire him out quickly.
Uh, he started breathing heavy by the third uh.
You could see it.
He was breathing through the mouth.
That’S not a good sign man that shows fatigue and that fatigue is set on by throwing shots that are not ending.
I believe you know he’s jamal herring.
You know what shout out to you.
Man uh, you know true champion uh, you know, but he was just he was out class last night he was out class yeah uh.
He was enabled he was unable to really get it going.
Stevenson’S game plan was to come in uh.
You know push the pace which herring didn’t want.
Stevenson pushed the pace as a smaller guy uh.
You know he looked like the stronger guy in.
There definitely was controlling the pace controlling the center of the ring controlling the angles very very well, but i was impressed with the four inch reach advantage that herring had over stevenson last night matter of nothing.
Uh stevenson literally had his timing, his timing and his distance down halfway through the first by the time the second came out.
You could see that herring was scrambling to uh to revamp his game plan on the fly and it wasn’t working and that’s what we have.
We had to go 10 rounds, uh ref stoppage.
You know what i give it you put in great effort, man but uh new champion, but you know what i don’t think i don’t think he tried to change his game plan on the fly.
It was just that he tried to change his game plan, i’m sure they i’m sure they trained for that like if this didn’t work, we’ll try this.
But you know when you’re, when you’re facing someone that skill level is just not just one but like maybe two or three levels above yours, you can try and plan a trend, plan b, try and plan c, whatever you want, but like that that skill level is Hard to overcome right so herring was herring was trying to do what his courses were getting him to do because his his coaches are terrance crawford’s coaches, so they they know.
You know they know what they’re doing they know what they’re talking about.
So they were.
They were trying to get him to do.
Do those things but physically he couldn’t.
He couldn’t do that and um.
He couldn’t yeah, no you’re right physically couldn’t do it.
He was definitely out box.
Last night, uh shout out to our new wbo world super feather title champion: corey stevenson for curtis tv uh.
So from there we’re gon na move on.
I want to talk about the uh, the co-main co-main event, uh xander’s eyes versus uh everybody at that time.
For months break this kid watch this kid follow this kid in his career.
Every time you see him get in the ring, he’s improved uh he’s he’s much better and better.
Every time you see him in his outing, uh came through just overwhelmed uh pencey through the entire match, yeah he’s a little young young.
He still took a couple of hits that maybe he shouldn’t have taken uh.
You know work on his defense, a little more but um ring iq for somebody who’s.
You know now improved to 11-0 who’s young in the game.
Still uh.
You know this guy, he only debuted in 2019.
During the pandemic, you know he’s already got 11 wins.
He’S number one out of seven and the super welter timeout.
He started he debuted in 2019.
During the pandemic.
He already has 11 wit like what the hell was.
He doing really yeah yeah.
This guy’s been thinking man, that’s what i’ve been saying.
I’Ve been watching this guy he’s approved his 75th uh in the world rankings at 1561 after that win last night, so uh, you know this.
Kid is he’s really making a name for himself he’s 19 years old uh.
You know born and raised in san juan puerto rico.
He’S ranked number one in puerto rico in the super welter division, so uh his manager is peter khan uh.
You know that name is very familiar in the boxing world.
You know he’s got a lot of these young views out there, but um yeah zeus has moved to uh the sunrise sunrise florida, so he now trains out of florida.
He never resides in florida um.
You know this kid.
I see big things coming from him in the future.
Man we’re talking about a kid.
That’S only been in this game now, uh, exactly in two days, will actually be two years because he debuted uh october, the 26th uh 2019.
So he’s about to celebrate his two-year anniversary as a pro and what a way to celebrate, with your 11th victory and in a in a wonderful fashion in a great stoppage, and you know what got a shout out to him.
Man, yeah uh, great win.
We’Re going to be reaching out to you soon, man before you get too big for us, get you in here.
So we can talk to you about your wonderful career, the two years and um, and what’s going on with these top rank, part of me he’s with top rank? Yes, yes, sir uh! Yes, so this yeah he’s um, you know i was just talking about um, shakur stevenson being being uh that guy in a couple of years, a little bit after that, because uh xander he’s like he just turned pro so he’s gon na take a little bit more Time but, like you know, as a coach, i always look um, no matter how good you look, i look to see what type of even if it’s just one flaw that you have to see.
You know if that’s going to improve as your career progresses or if it’s someone that i’m training that’s what we’re gon na work on, but with um with zayas again, i know he’s he’s still early in his career, but like i, i did not really see too Many too many defensive flaws.
He kept his distance.
He didn’t get hit with any like stupid, punches um, you know so i i am i’m going to make sure to keep my eye on him in the next couple of years, because uh, if he can keep keeping his consistency with with his performances, he’s definitely gon Na be up there, you know, like yemen, that’s that’s! This is what i’m saying.
I’Ve been watching.
I’Ve literally been watching this kid, since, since the debut and uh you know what he’s he’s he’s everything that i thought he was gon na be by now um.
You know he’s kind of he’s kind of exceeded, my expectations of of where he was going to be at this point but uh, let’s you know what top rank they’re doing it right.
Man they’re signing these young guys uh.
You know um zeus, professional boxer, his amateur career, spanned from 07’s 2018.
.
He had made more.
He he fought more than 130 belts, uh winning 11 national championship tournaments, including the 2018 youth uh national championship.
So you know he is a highly decorated amateur uh.
It does show that he has a lot of skill.
You know uh puerto rico, they’re known for putting out these uh volume punchers.
You know uh these guys.
That know how to play the distance, who move really really well uh.
You know true true puerto rican style, but you know he’s all of his fights have been here so uh.
You know he’s had all his fights stateside as a pro uh amateur career.
You can still see that puerto rican style man uh, he fights like the with puerto rican pride.
You see it.
Man um.
The kid, though, he’s very, very focused, he’s gon na go a long way, there’s a lot of things that are gon na happen.
With this kid uh, this will be a name to hear in the future guys man remember zander zayas, he’s now approved to 11-0, and you know what we definitely will be seeing him soon.
This kid doesn’t like to uh to stay stale.
He likes to keep moving.
He likes to keep fighting so you know what 11 11 career wins in a two-year career with the pandemic, this kid’s busy keeping real easy.
So with that we’re gon na move on to another another gentleman, i want to talk to talk about and uh.
You know.
That’S that’s ali’s grandson, nico ali walsh, coming through with uh with win number two of his pro career, the legend lives on folks uh.
He looked pretty good uh, but as an emma, you know like as a guy who’s newly into the pro game.
You know you can see.
A couple of the flaws like you were saying earlier about sanders is not having those uh.
A couple of things that i noticed is um.
Niko takes a little bit too much damage um on some of his exchanges.
He needs to work.
A little bit on his defense uh protect that face a bit, because when you have somebody like wesley wesley ii uh last night, we talked about that.
He showed very, very novice skills as a pro uh.
You know dropping his head and just coming in with those wild shots.
There’S there’s the little man right there, the knockout of the week you know all about today did dad show you the knockout of the week.
So yes wesley wesley, though very novice, very nominated um.
You know one of those fighters has just put his head down and came through swinging all wild angles, and you know that can be very, very dangerous um if, if you’re not used to that that unorthodox style, but i believe that nico he handled himself really well Coming through with that victory, um, yes um; yes, yes, he um, just like his grandfather, um one of the greatest of all time.
He had a very he had a very good jab.
My one concern was that um, the the the one flaw that the defensive line.
I did see is that, even though the jab was good and landing, when i say good, i say good because it was landing, but defensive wise.
He was getting countered with it with a lot of right, hands, yeah, um and wesley he’s.
You know he’s still working his way up.
Wesley is not at that high level.
So, like you know, as he works his way up when he fights guys guys that are um higher level.
You know skill level he’s definitely gon na have to um.
You know connect that uh correct that defensive flaw right there.
Yes, definitely yeah! That’S a problem in the future that, yes, that could definitely become a problem in the future um.
You know what, if buddy had more power, if buddy had more power, if wesley had more power, it could have ended a lot more, a lot more dangerously for nico ali those kind of shots.
Those unorthodox shots that you’re not ready for that are countering when you’re coming in uh, sometimes and and you go to bed yeah, exactly the one that you don’t see coming.
If you see it coming, even if you even if you get hit with it, you can kind of block it.
No don’t jump, don’t jump can kind of block it.
You can click your teeth.
You can hold on for dear life and just pray.
It doesn’t put you to bed, but when you don’t see it and that john’s loose and that john’s losing upper titan, that’s when you end up, but when you end up with those dangerous dangerous counters that you can’t see um, you know what shout out to him Number two victory great can’t wait to see it again.
Hopefully he keeps up his winning streak uh.
The next fight that i wanted to talk about.
Holyfield son wow wow impressed impressed honestly um.
You know what he improves to eight note, your bruce ain’t.
No with that win last night over um stanford uh, you know what the first round the first round was looking a little sloppy um, you know, holyfield could have, could have cleaned it up, but the second round he came out and uh.
You know he.
He went to town, then he went to town on that fight uh.
He looked good uh his dad his dad smiled ear to ear man.
You could see him happier than a pig and [ __ ] man that his son just came in and uh did.
What he’s doing best man, young young, holy shout out to young holy coming through that victory last night, uh ko’s second round man, you know it’s uh, second round.
Okay with that, with that hard left hook like once again, you saw where it was placed right, not just anywhere on the button right on the chin accuracy.
It’S like it’s like throwing darts.
You know you have the big dart board.
You know the the outside parts.
You can still get points for the outside pores, but once you once you land it right in the bull’s eye, the chin is the bull’s eye and that that right, right here right here, the the mustache mark that left, that was the left from hell, uh yo.
It dropped a real nice, what a great great shot.
I believe.
That’S the one that took him a few minutes to get up off canvas as well um.
You know it was.
It was a devastating shot shout out to evan holyfield uh.
You know doing his dad, proud, uh, keeping that family name and you know it’s a hard thing.
Man, it’s a hard thing when you carry a name like that man like ali, yes, a lot of pressure, a lot of people for you to perform, and when you don’t perform, you know the critics come out of the woodworks and they just they rip you apart.
You don’t want to rip you apart when you don’t have an impressive win, but you know what these guys are doing it big they’re, doing impressive they’re, doing it with style and they’re, shutting all the haters up and shutting up the critics, and you know what my Shell goes until these guys, man, evan yo, holyfield, you’re, killing it nico ali walsh, killing it yeah, zander, zayas, new new champion and and honestly.
The reason why we do this show anton cobb.
Congratulations on the knuckle up knockout of the week with that devastating overhand.
Right that put your man put your man into the ropes honestly, what a great, what what a great weekend, the fights guys it was honestly my show goes out to ant.
com we’re going to get a hold of him man pro debut.
We want to talk to him.
We’Re going to get him in the studio, we’re going to interview him and we’re we’re going to talk to him and what it feels like and the feelings that he went through on his debut spectacular knockout.
That is now in the running for knockout of the year.
Knockout of the year yeah exactly he is, he is now a runner-up for knockout of the year, and you know what i’ve been bringing you knockouts all year and there’s been some big ones, so believe me, click that link in the description click.
The link.
In our comments check out, this highlight, kill knockout, you tell me if you don’t think that it is a runner-up.
Tell me if you do believe it’s a runner-up.
Tell me if you think it’s gon na win to all that means some people.
Some people might actually go with that one, as as the you know, i don’t want to want to steer people towards one way, but and there’s probably some that we probably forgot about um even remember the oscar valdez one.
The sound of that sound like a shotgun yeah at the end of the year in december, when we go through the knockouts of the year, we’ll have to take a minute to go through them and then, but this that this one off the top of our heads.
This cobb one is definitely gon na be into the top five at least yeah.
It’S definitely it’s.
Definitely in the top, it’s in the top for sure fans watching um.
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