AIR DATE:
EPISODE: Episode 6
A great discussion between Cedric and Mike on the knockout of the week. Knuckle Up’s Mike Orr who always discusses young and typically undefeated knockout artists.
Watch live on TalkinFight.com or YouTube.com/c/talkinfight
#talkinfight #knuckleup #mikeorr
Transcribed:
[, Music ] welcome knuckle up fans to another wonderful installment of our fantastic and prestigious knuckle up.
Knockout of the week award hosted by yours truly mike orr and my co-host cedric ben uh happy thanksgiving to all the people out there um who who are enjoying some turkey today and some football like we.
We all must do on these days: turkey, football and knockouts.
That’S it turkey football in knockouts, that’s how it goes and what what a wonderful wonderful weekend of fights and um yeah man honestly, i was very, very impressed and you, you know, you know, fight fans guys tuning in watching right now.
You know who we’re picking.
You know who we’re picking as our knockout of the week.
Obviously obviously you know it’s it’s it’s.
There is a runner-up who we are going to talk about before, like after but uh, let’s just let’s just go ahead and do it right now and uh.
Congratulations to the gypsy king uh for his wonderful uh play wonderfully placed and uh well executed, demonstration of his skills to uh to knock out wilder.
He really showed uh that he could truly box.
He really showed his skills.
Uh wilder is a bit of a sore loser.
I’M i’m not gon na lie.
I did think that it was gon na go the distance.
I thought it was gon na go all the way to the 12 and i thought fury was going to take it on uh on points but uh.
You know what he stopped him.
He stopped him and honestly guys what a great fight, if you didn’t get to see it um too bad.
Actually, you know what you should have saw it.
You know it was the biggest biggest fight card.
Like almost this year.
All heavyweights man jared big baby anderson was on there um.
You know we, we had a big card man, it was good.
It was very good tyson, fury, congratulations, you’re, a knuckle up knockout of the week champion.
Congratulations! What a wonderful performance uh way to you know what wait wait.
It come back man he got dropped.
You know it was.
It was a pretty good back and forth.
I don’t know about you bud, but wilder looks like he’s standing on toothpicks man he’s got no legs, you know what it kind of looks like.
I might even like trying to be funny, but it honestly looks like those um those i don’t know.
If it’s a doll, but it’s kind of like a balloon, it’s bigger at the bottom and it kind of goes closer at the top and like they just blow over and yeah you they always come back to the middle, like it seems like his his upper body, Is so is so heavy for his legs like any time he gets hit.
It goes like his whole.
His whole upper body shifts whatever direction that he gets hidden.
He comes back to the middle um anyways, specifically about the fight i was.
I was um.
I liked the way that that wilder started um with the jabs and the jabbing to the body to very they were pushing.
They were pushing um, fury back that that specific punch right there, that’s something that mayweather kind of became made made popular yeah, uh, uh kind of the stab jab and andre ward used to do it.
A lot too.
It’S mainly when your opponent come come is is coming forward and you just do that to stop them in their tracks.
Waller was doing it as he was coming forward um and it was effective for the first couple of rounds, um kind of using it like a step jab.
Almost yes.
Yes, yes, just to get your opponent more thinking to you know, drop their hands a little bit and not not really uh.
You know to get basically to get their hands to drop a little bit so he had.
He did have success at the beginning and then i believe it was that third round when that, when fury dropped him – and i was like oh boy – third round you’re gon na – go out in the third round like this boom boom and then the fourth round comes.
I predicted, even if um fury was uh winning the fight later on.
You know, you always have to be careful.
I forget which round it was either the eighth or ninth round where, while they’re, actually here, he hurt fury again, it was.
It was the last part of the round.
I didn’t even realize how hurt fury was until i saw the replay and you did see him kind of wobble a little bit um, but hey one thing that i mean that was definitely established.
That fury has one of the toughest chins in the hysteria boxing.
It was already established that deontay wilder is one of the hardest punches in the history of boxing.
Just for that factor alone, how he got up twice from getting knocked down twice.
Yeah fury has to be considered what has has to be considered as having one of the toughest chins in the history of boxing there’s not too many people on the face deserves that that would be getting up from those from from wilder’s right hands.
You know what i definitely i definitely jump on board with that statement.
100 man he’s got he’s, got a chin, he’s got a chin of granite for sure and then the boxing and then the mental, the mental strength that it takes.
He got, he didn’t get.
It wasn’t just a flash locked down, he was hurt, like he almost got counted out, yeah and then later on.
It looked like, like you know when, when you fight later on in the fight like as if that didn’t even happen before that, that takes mental strength.
Man like he was bouncing on his toes he’s.
Still, you know uh using his fakes and jabbing out there, um [ Music ] ducking under making him miss.
Like you know, that’s the other thing that that makes makes you makes you tired when you throw power punches hitting something is actually does, is not as tiring as when you throw power, and you completely miss that drains your energy more um swinging for the fences.
Man.
Yes, so that’s that’s! That’S a lot of energy.
I noticed in that fight.
I noticed in that fight that um uh wilder was a little bit gassed by uh by the third by the third round.
Yeah yeah.
He was breathing a little heavy um.
You know he still stuck to his game plan.
He still used the jab uh, but it it was only used until he was dropped when uh when when he went down uh he kind of resorted back to his his old ways and just you know, jumping around the ring for that right already loaded up, but So later is that that statement that mike tyson said you know as soon as you get hit you go right back.
You know you got ta.
You got a game plan, i’m going to go in i’m going to do this, i’m going to do that as soon as you get hit boom you’re going right back to just what you know that is 100 true um for some fighters.
There’S there’s other fighters that that can adjust and use those those adjustments in that fight um, unfortunately, wilder wasn’t able to to maintain the adjustments that he made.
No, no, he wasn’t and honestly and truthfully, man um, i’m a firm believer in uh yo.
No don’t skip leg day.
You know what i mean uh.
You can’t skip leg day guys because in those later rounds, uh when your arms are tired and uh you’re, huffing and puffing, your legs are what’s going to generate that power in your hips to make sure that that power stays in in that punch.
So you know skipping leg day, sure you don’t like it.
You might not be able to walk the next day but you’ll suck it up buttercup because, honestly and truthfully without legs you, you got nothing on your punches man yeah.
You got nothing on your punches, but but halfway through that fight wilder had nothing left while they had nothing left in those punches man.
You know you might as well be swinging a fly swatter.
Well, no, not necessarily because remember.
I said he did in one of those later rounds.
He did hurt fury in in in the later part of the round.
I believe it was what the the eighth i believe it was eighth grade.
Yes, exactly eight or ninth and and again wilder is one of those guys that, even if you’re winning the fight, you still always got ta, be careful so so which which we’re gon na talk, which we’re gon na talk about in a few years.
We’Ll finish up on this now, but even so, even though um it was clear that he was gassed, and one thing that i did, i should have took into more consideration once when speaking about my predictions, for the fight is that i did hear a while ago From wilder himself that he does not like to do like does not like to work on his cardio, or he doesn’t like to run for his cardio.
I know it’s an unfortunate part of the sport as part of the training, especially for the for the heavyweights, unless you’re a kettlebell master.
That’S the only way you don’t run because kettlebell kettlebell is like a 30 minute.
Workout is like the equivalent of running 10k, but if you’re, not lifting kettlebells and you’ve got to get your ass out on that street and hit that pavement and go for a run, boys, listen, listen! I’M a big guy! I’M not saying that you know i can go and hit them streets and go for a run, but i’m saying listen guys.
It’S part of the training.
You listen to the strength and conditioning coach here right now, mr cedric ben.
He knows what the hell he’s talking about guys, so when he tells you that running is a big part of your game, it better be a big part of your game.
It’S important, no matter, no matter what your strongest part of your game is, whether it’s um.
You know you, you can have the the a very high skill level, but if your gas tank is not there, then you’re not going to be able to display that skill level.
At the same time it works the other way around you can.
You can be conditioned enough to run three three full marathons in a row and be good, but if you don’t know how to keep your hands up properly, none of that [ __ ] matters.
So you need that equal balance of both you need that equal balance of both so wilder has that you know when it comes to.
You know: video game stats.
While this power is at 100 over 100, but his cardio is like at 60.
yep, those after that yeah somebody, somebody put all the attribute points in the wrong place.
Well then, the the power yeah, i don’t know they could evenly done it.
Man come on, we’ve all played, we’ve all played all these boxing games.
We know how it works.
Man, you don’t just load your power up, because then you go there’s swing and then you’re tired come on guys.
We know this [ __, ] man.
We know this [ __ ].
Already honestly gypsy king came through.
You know, tyson fury, congratulations, partied it up with aoki last night in the club.
You know what congratulations enjoy.
Your win, enjoy your 50 million and uh whoo.
Is that what what was the the purses for both guys payouts were projected to be 50 and 40 million for a half an hour of work right right for a house? You know what honestly uh i was expecting.
The faa, jog buff fight to uh, maybe steal the show last night uh.
It was very you know it.
Wasn’T it wasn’t what i shut up time.
I got ta make sure i give a shout out to uh to my boy randy.
He called it before the fight he called uh.
Mr sanchez.
He said a lot of people are sleeping on sanchez, he’s not sure why um and well he’s good he’s fast man he’s fast.
He, but i just i just got to make sure.
I acknowledge that because he he did call that out.
He called out the sanchez uh, the sanchez when long before anyway.
Congratulations for that call out for sure yeah, yeah, definitely um, honestly, yo sanchez, look good man! Sanchez is a good last name uh.
You know he was dancing around that ring um a jog by he just he’s.
He still still doesn’t have the ring the the ring iq.
I guess yeah yeah the experience um the experience.
I noticed last night there were times where, where he would go to cut cut the angle of of the ring but stop halfway through which allowed sanchez to scurry up and get away, which then turns into a cat and mouse game the whole time so yeah yeah.
It seems like uh, you know the cuban boxer his his um his boxing education was.
The level was a little bit higher than that, but we we all know we all know them.
Cubans man, they know how to box they’ve been boxing, was trying the right things.
He was trying the right things, but he just wasn’t able to execute on them because, like he was, she was trying to cut off the ring yeah.
He was trying to cut off the ring, but it’s like by the time he got there.
He was trying to plant and then he’s trying to plant and then go the human body they’re not going to stand there and wait for you to go they’re, going to go papa and get the f out of there.
Yeah that’s exactly what they did.
It was a clear display, clear display of uh.
You know cuban boxing man, that’s exactly what it was uh.
You know.
Congratulations to frank sanchez on that win, what a great win uh you know i was.
I was going for my boy f8.
Just because you know i like the way he knocks people out also on that card man we had edgar burlenga ed garamer.
I missed that fight how’d, that one go uh yo he went uh, he went the distance and everywhere he dropped.
Uh.
Yeah he’s been first time he’s been dropped in his career.
First time he’s been dropped in his career uh.
He now improves to 18-0 uh.
He now is the wbo nabo super middle uh champion and burleigh was down in round nine.
Great great fight guys go check.
It out, if you can see it, it’s the last fight on the prelims before it became the heavyweight uh heavyweight battle, because it just became a heavyweight battle.
Uh, we had jared anderson against uh tereshkin.
Honestly i heard that was a good battle too.
I just got there big baby.
Uh really really show you know he’s.
He always looks like the smaller guy.
You know, um tereshkin came in tried his best.
It’S just uh jared man.
Jared’S got some skills and uh.
We finally started to see them.
Yeah uh.
You know what it only went a couple of rounds but uh, you know what well executed uh combinations uh.
He played, he played the angles.
Right played the ropes right.
You know he came through with a great victory.
Uh yo shout out to shout out to jared anderson, i’m gon na try and reach out and talk to this guy uh.
He is now the uh uh nabf junior heavyweight, champ, okay, okay, good good good good, so we also have also in this card.
I didn’t.
I didn’t watch, i didn’t watch the uh, the whole prelims helena and canal kavanaki they’re wow wow.
Whatever can i the polish guy, adam um buddy disqualified in the sixth dude? This is another one of them fights.
I don’t bet that often every once in a while.
I’M just i’m mad at myself that i didn’t back, because i i would.
I would have guessed that they would have predicted that helenius to win not by disqualification.
But you know honestly, helenius looked like a totally and completely different guy in that ring.
As soon as that fight started, he just looks more confident even at the press.
Well, even speaking, it’s funny that you say that he looked like a completely different person, because at the press conference he was saying um.
You know it was upset for you guys.
The first time it wasn’t upset for me, i was expecting to win.
I i knew i could perform like that.
So now that i beat him, i’m i have even more confidence to do it again, blah blah blah.
So you know that’s and that’s how he went in there when i got to when i got to randy’s fight.
It was kind of the the fourth or fifth round and randy was all excited saying that he got dropped.
Kevin got dropped in the first round and uh um helenius was just like literally put his hands down and just walked him down like yeah man.
You know trust me guys, that’s the blatant sign to show like.
I have absolutely no respect for your power.
I’M not worried about anything you have to do by the end of that by the end of that fight.
By the end of that fight, the po yo, he couldn’t see out of his eye man, helenius helenius, had shut that thing closed on him, yeah, honestly, yeah and honestly, that’s probably why the excessive low blows man he couldn’t see where he was landing.
Those punches.
You know he’s just leaning up on the guy and just digging just getting in there and digging right.
He was blind, yeah he’s blindly digging man, i’m telling you you can see how that [ __ ].
If you paid him too man, it was uh.
It was a good fight guys.
I i i tell you, man go out, find it you’re gon na love it great fight.
Helenius, coming through rematch kicks ass.
You know uh.
Now i want to get into the next card.
Okay, uh shout out to uh jason cunningham for uh the win over brad foster, unanimous decision for the british super bantam title commonwealth, super bantam and the european super bantam.
It was a big one.
Uh we had nikkel uzman came out against danny ball for the commonwealth, welter title and the british welter title last night and uh yeah guys ko sixth round just got.
You got to go and check this out man.
There was a lot of uh.
This is on you’re, speaking of the fowler and um.
No, i’m speaking of the foster and cunningham card uh it was yeah, it was it was.
It was in uh birmingham, west midlands, united kingdom.
It was a smaller card last night.
I believe it was yeah.
It was last night, it was a smaller card.
Uh liam davies was on that uh.
He fought for the wbc international super silver super bantam title against dixon, flores, uh, great fight guys.
This card was just as good as well, not just as good, but it was good uh.
Then we’re going to talk about it here.
It is the hopefully um carl ray or andy.
If you guys are listening, hop on and uh give us a little summary of the fights.
Oh yeah man.
I only got to see the main event fowler and um and liam we’ll go ahead.
So we had we we had.
We had some crap go on.
Shannon courtney miss weight two and a half pounds got stripped courtney stripped to the title due to missing weight.
Uh title on the line for mitchell.
Only and uh mitchell came through with the victory shannon.
Shannon courtney uh handed her first loss uh.
I believe it’s her.
First, loss well, anyways.
She was handed a loss.
Last night uh it went, it went the distance jimmy mitchell.
She looked brilliant in that ring.
I missed you know it’s funny.
I i missed the fight, but i caught like the end.
I i, when i finally turned it on it, was actually they were just announcing the fighters.
I mean just announcing the winners and um a couple minutes after they had them.
It was actually an awkward interview because they had them.
Both.
You know in the uk.
They, after like after they had the the fighter sitting outside of the ring like on the bench like on the stairs or whatever yeah, both fighters sitting beside each other, and they were kind of like low-key, talking trouble, shannon she was kind of kind of being a Sore loser saying you know, you know what fighters say: yeah, congratulations, but this this this i i thought i won blah blah blah blah but yeah, congratulations.
She thought she did enough.
She didn’t do enough.
I didn’t see her do enough at all honestly um.
She just you know what she looked up.
She looked disappointed in herself for missing weight to be honest, uh that takes a lot.
You know it takes a big toll on a fighter mentally, and you know what we all know that fighting and boxing and all these combative sports uh, you know they’re more mental than they are physical, even though they do demand a lot from you, physically um.
Something like that can really really put a hiccup in your game.
It’S unfortunate uh! You know what i hope to see her back in the ring soon and uh bounce back from this uh this this, you know kind of blemish, because, honestly she just won that title.
Man, she just won that title yeah and uh, it’s just like you just mentioned the um.
The mental part has to be just as strong as the physical part, just as before, as i mentioned, that um the physical part like physically, you have to be just as good as as the cardio as your car.
You know those have to be equal too um.
So yeah yeah, it can’t just be all all physical because then you know your your opponent can outsmart you.
At the same time, you you can be the smartest boss in the world, but you don’t you’ve got to be able to physically apply those those mental skills right yeah, that’s true! It’S true um! Also, i don’t know if you saw it.
Man, ted cheeseman versus troy, williamson, it’s not a highlight.
Oh my gosh, definite runner.
If, if what, if, if um, if we didn’t have fury and wilder, this would be definitely the the ko of the week, uh yeah definitely definitely would have been uh wow honestly.
What uh, what what a good fight man uh it was.
They averaged it out 12 scores fans on box, rec averaged it out that it was uh.
It was an 86 an 86 to 84.
.
That’S the way they were scoring it.
The averages uh.
You know what, when i was watching, that fight man, uh cheeseman cheeseman, was looking really good.
Uh coming through.
You know, executing all this all his all his tactics perfectly man.
He was doing great, but he just uh.
I guess i don’t know if he just got tired if he got lazy or something happened, but what guys? I don’t want to ruin it for you.
Well, i don’t want to ruin it for you, man, but let’s just say when you got ta finish a fighter.
You got ta finish it man, you can’t leave it.
You can’t leave it up to the judges.
You can’t leave it up to the next guy.
You got ta get in there and you got ta finish it.
Unfortunately, uh cheeseman, sorry man, uh, it’s it’s upsetting, but uh yeah man, he lost, he lost his.
He lost his belts, man.
He lost his belt uh.
So he’s no longer.
You know we have.
We have troy williamson, who is now the uh british super welter.
Real quick on on she’s been losing his belts, just in general on any any fighter losing his belt, and this applies to any um champion in any sport, whether it’s an individual sport or a team.
Sport um, one of the great quotes is about winning.
Titles is the only thing that’s harder than making it to.
The top is staying there that journey of making it up as hard as f and hard, and once you get there, everybody that you’re looking down everybody.
That’S down below you is trying to get up to where you’re at.
So that’s why it’s hard to get at that level.
You got a huge target on your back.
It’S a lot! It’S a lot to carry the weight of a champion.
You know, but um yeah.
So you know what i hope i hope, shannon courtney bounces back from that uh cheeseman you you as well man uh it was.
It was upsetting 10th round uh time 50 seconds she’s been ko’d left hook to the head.
That’S all i’m going to tell you guys, but i’m going to tell you to go and find the video go and watch the highlights check it out.
Uh we’ll get the producer to put it up in the comments here, for you so just find that it’ll be great you’re gon na love, this one guys and then um liam smith and anthony fowler.
The battle of what liverpool, the battle of liverpool, the south versus uh, i the north battle of the crossroads.
Uh tony bell.
You before the before the fight gave a good analogy of uh and connor ben also like to always mention his name, because he has the same last name as me.
Anyway, um they gave a good analogy before the fight saying this.
It was a good crossroads for, for both guys and and even before, that, just real quick about liam smith, just looking at him kind of throws me off because they like just in general, like it kind of it’s hard for me to disaster.
It’S no! No! Just in general, i’m just by his appearance like it’s hard, he’s 41 years old, it’s hard for me to to say a guy’s going to win when he has more gray hairs than me.
I know he’s only 33.
.
He i’m 41.
I’M saying i’m four yeah, i’m 40.
he’s only 33 and he’s got and you got more great hair man, so that completely shows me off so anyways his skill level.
In the end, his experience definitely showed because i actually gave the first two three rounds to fowler.
You know what feller came about.
You know what feller came out and surprised me.
He didn’t look like that in his last fight at all uh, you know uh fowler fowler was i you know what like i called up.
I called up some of our our our buddies over on the on the other side of the pond there and um.
You know when he was coming off of uh that rico mueller fight.
I was not impressed at all with fowler like i was like.
Are you kidding me they’re gon na put this guy in with smith like this guy can’t even stand.
You know he he doesn’t have the parts to stand toe-to-toe with him in the ring, but you know what he surprised me last night man.
He brought it to him a little bit uh, you know, but uh in the end of it.
You know liam liam came through me and you definitely did it with that.
With that combination that i like to call um, i call it the tyson special uppercut to the body and hook to the head on the same side.
Oh, i always.
I tell people, obviously there’s millions of boxers that have done it before, but just during my time, growing up tyson was the best at doing it.
So as i call it the tyson special oh, it is a special bam.
Oh yeah.
I know it’s great.
It’S great um, you know what this, what a great fight, what a good card, what an excellent excellent show that was put on last night um! Well! Sorry, yesterday afternoon, uh that was put on over in the uk, it was brilliant.
You couldn’t ask for anything more man.
It was excitement from start to finish in general.
The next couple of weeks months of boxing is going to be hey man, yo boxing’s, getting crazy in the next couple of weeks.
That’S that’s! I’M! I’M super excited uh.
You know what, though i give it to.
I give it to smith man.
He really uh, he really shined.
Last night he came through got the victory um, you know he’s the wba international super welter, champ and uh.
You know you know what i called that fight.
I said i said i said: fowler was going down in the fourth i said, smith was gon na, come in and wreck him.
What happens fowler down in the fifth and i was like come on just finish it man.
He was getting.
That close, you know, but all all the good fun it was great.
We had a wonderful weekend of watching fights um.
We got lots of fights coming up over the next couple of weeks guys.
So you know these shows are just gon na get much more fun.
We’Re gon na have uh we’re gon na have a doozy man, it was, it was great yeah.
I thought you know what there wasn’t too many cards, but there was just enough and uh yeah man.
So that being said, a congratulations to tyson, fury uh.
You know what beyonce welder, you are a sore [ Music ].
Tyson fury went to congratulate him on on the performance that he put in and the effort that he put forth in the ring for that belt last night, and you know what the man has the audacity to just look at him and says.
I have no respect for you.
Are you kidding me yeah come on.
You know what you were out boxed by the better boxer period.
Just i.
I definitely was disappointed in that um.
The only thing i could say is that he he kept the same energy.
Just thinking you know the whole allegations of thinking that he cheated and stuff like that.
So maybe that’s he kept that same energy from there, but i didn’t you know just walking out of the ring not giving an interview, and just i don’t know that wasn’t really good.
You know what how about how about waiting? Everybody wait.
15 minutes to walk out to the ring me who the hell do you think you are bud, put on your stupid costume, get your ass in the ring, get beat up tired of this crap man like that.
Well, you know what that being said.
Man i got ta go, have i got ta go.
Have some turkey yeah me too? I could smell, it downstairs, yeah.
Nobody trust me trust me, man, i’m hungry.
I can feel it right now smell it.
I know the gravy’s coming off the stove, i’m gon na dive in there like a fat kid on a smarter bike.
That’S what’s gon na happen, so knuckle up fans thanks for tuning in you are knuckle up knockout of the week.
Yes, with your man, cedric ben mike gore, coming to you at four every sunday, bringing you the biggest the baddest knockout of the weekend and to uh to run you down with everything that went on, you know just keeping you up to date, guys we do this Work here, so you guys don’t have to man, so you can just come here, find it out.
We tell you what to go and watch we’re here for you guys, so i want you to go to talkingfight.
com, make sure jab the likes subscribe and knock us out.
Those comments we’re always here.
We always answer much love, much respect, cedric.
Thank you again.
I got you any last words, brother man, man.
This is a great weekend of fights, and the next couple of weeks are going to be great too so make sure you stay tuned, uh, not just every sunday but every day, yes, on the type talking fight.
com, either whether we got the the newest updates of boxing Or check mic or f4 there’s always some new content on our platform.
So let’s keep it moving so fans.
Thank you for tuning in it’s your boy mike or cedric ben.
We’Ll see you next week same time same channel until then.
Yes, sir where’s, my camera
There are no reviews yet.