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Scarlett Delgado [00:00:00] Everybody, and thank you for joining us on the sixth episode of The Female Fist, I have an amazing guest with us today. She is a clinical social worker, also author of the book, Seen Through the label. And we have one thing in common. We're both from the same boxing gym. So please welcome Christine Hillis. Hi, Christine. How you doing?

Christine Hillis [00:00:23] Good. How are you?

Scarlett Delgado [00:00:24]  I'm well, thank you. So we were just talking about this. Our boxing coach, Sid Vanderpool, he always tells me these amazing things about you and one of them being that you're a clinical social worker. So I'm actually in university right now for my bachelor's in psychology. So I'm really interested to hear about why you chose that path specifically.

Christine Hillis [00:00:48] Sure. So it's interesting, actually, I was thinking about this recently and just like that whole idea of kind of like visualizing where you want to be and just like having this kind of like picture of your future. And I can legitimately remember, like, being probably around 16 and just like going through my own experiences, like with mental health and trauma and eating disorders and everything. And just like having this vision of myself in the future as someone who not only has gone through these issues, but then is able to help other people through it and then go around and like talking about mental health and just like sharing you being able to like use what I learned from my own personal experiences to help other people through what they're going through. So I just I had this, like, memory popped into my brain of like literally I can picture myself in my bathroom on my parents' old house and just like looking in the mirror and knowing that I was going to take my experiences and put them towards helping other people.

Scarlett Delgado [00:01:47] So. Well, that's beautiful.

Christine Hillis [00:01:49] Yeah. And it was so random that this memory popped into my brain and I'm like, that's cool that I'm like doing it absolutely. Like 15 years later. Here I am

Christine Hillis [00:01:59] actually doing it.

Scarlett Delgado [00:02:01] But that's kind of like when you put a vision in your mind and then you just even if it's not conscious, but it's always there and everything you kind of do is always building blocks towards what your main purpose was like, what your original goal was. You always kind of geared towards that field. I mean, I find.

Christine Hillis [00:02:18] Yeah, absolutely. And it's funny to like talking about, like Syd, our coach, because I remember, like, quite a few years ago now, he was like, OK, you should write down your goals and might come up with this like five year goal. And I put it into Google Docs. And then it was sometime last year. And I realized that had actually been five years since I made this document. And I went through and I was like, I've hit like, the goals on this list.

Scarlett Delgado [00:02:43] That's amazing.

Christine Hillis [00:02:44] Here is something to be said for, like writing it down and like having these, like, goals and visions for yourself and then, like, feels awesome to be like I did.

Scarlett Delgado [00:02:53] It absolutely is such a selfish accomplishment and that's amazing. So you just like you basically created kind of like a um like not a vision board, but like a like an illustrated sort illustrative but like, like storytelling kind of thing to yourself though.

Christine Hillis [00:03:11] Yeah.

Scarlett Delgado [00:03:12] I don't know how I would explain that because I think that I was looking into your book a little bit and you're really deep into narrating. I think it is.

Christine Hillis [00:03:21] That's really interesting that you phrase it as narrating because actually the like therapy model that I most commonly used in my practice is literally called narrative therapy.

Scarlett Delgado [00:03:33] Oh, really?

Christine Hillis [00:03:35] And to me

Christine Hillis [00:03:36] that, like you even just like like you're like like three, four research on me has picked up on, like narrating as the word

Christine Hillis [00:03:43] both really well.

Scarlett Delgado [00:03:46] Well when you're explaining to me like how you made those notes and how you like wrote to yourself, because I think that you and I have that in common. I'm really big on journaling since I was like, God, I think I was like six years old when I bought my first journal. And I always wrote about, like, what happened at school or like how my day went. But it is really such a great tool to see your thoughts and to kind of work things out. So like, OK, so you chose social work and because you wanted to take your experiences and you wanted to use it as your gift to help others with maybe that have similar experiences. So then when you went into this journey to write your book, why did you choose that specific? Like because with your study or with your practice, there's so many areas that you could touch on. Why did you choose specifically about narrating how you talk to somebody or like how you work things out?

Christine Hillis [00:04:48] Yeah, so I get interesting that you're talking about journaling because that was really like what started with the book was I had just done a lot of journaling to get through my own stuff and. Just kind of process through things, and that's kind of how my brain processes through things, it's like the written word. So I had done all this journaling and thought all these new ideas, and I was like, I should do something with this. And I can even remember, like sitting at the gym, like in between my social work class was like working on writing this. But like, yeah, like I just kind of went from the journaling and put it into more of that kind of book and narration process. And yeah, like when I talk about narrative therapy, a big part of it is that a lot of times when we think of our story, like the story that we all have of our lives, sometimes it's written in a way that maybe more negative or we almost feel like somebody else has kind of written the story for us. So I like using narrative therapy because it kind of gives us the opportunity to, like, almost go back and rewrite some stuff. Right. And be able to pull out like the strengths that we had in those moments of hard times and like really focusing on other aspects of our story and just kind of give people the control back to be able to, like, rewrite their stories in a way that feels more authentic and maybe more empowering to themselves.

Scarlett Delgado [00:06:17] Wow.

Scarlett Delgado [00:06:17] That's that's really, really powerful. And I think that that's such an amazing that that's so amazing that you're doing that for people. And so wait a second. So you were doing this in between rounds at the gym. So you actually started this journey like after you already signed up to boxing?

Christine Hillis [00:06:34] Yeah. So it's funny because it was kind of like this, like big life change all at the same time for me, where I, like, started going to school for social work and I started boxing kind of all around the same time. And I feel like it actually worked really well for me to do like all of it at the same time, because boxing is such a mental game. Right. And and sometimes I think when people aren't involved in combat sports, sometimes they misunderstand it as like you do really well if you're this angry and aggressive person and everything. But I actually learned through my experiences with boxing that by controlling your emotions is one of the most important aspects of it. And it really did make me have to confront some of the more uncomfortable aspects of like my emotional well-being and how I was managing with things. And I always like telling the story of, like me instead where it was I had gone in and like, I have anxiety and on my way driving. And I just I got hit with an anxiety attack. It wasn't for any rhyme or reason. I wasn't feeling particularly nervous about training that day, but I just kind of felt overwhelmed. And then, like, for me, I was driving far. And I'm the type of person that I'm like, if you've committed to something like, you have to do it. Your coach is waiting. So I like I knew that I had to show up and show up because I was waiting there to train me Grace. We were doing sparring. And so Syd pulled me aside in between rounds and he's like, hey, like, what's going on for you? Like you're getting overwhelmed by every punch, like what's happening. And I said I was like, you know what? Just having a lot of anxiety today, like, I don't really know what's going on, but I'm just feeling pretty anxious. And he says to me, maybe today is just about making it through the workout. Right? Like maybe you're not going to learn lots of new skills or anything, but you're going to make it through this workout. And to me, that was like a really powerful moment in my life because I started kind of applying that concept to other aspects of my life as well, and kind of just recognizing that like, yeah, there will be some days that are crummier and it's just about kind of like making it through the day and getting through it. And that's a win and a reward in itself. Not not every day is going to be about personal growth. Not every day you're going to, like, learn something new and accomplish everything on your to do list. Like there are going to be those days that maybe you have to kind of rearrange things and tailor things to. Yeah. Just make sure that your mental well-being is OK. So, yeah, that was around like the time that like I really had started getting involved in social work and they teach you in school, like you have to like look at yourself and like do a lot of self reflection. And that was really uncomfortable as somebody who had dealt with mental health for a lot of years. And my original way of dealing with it was basically like not dealing with it.

Christine Hillis [00:09:34] And I think I think that's like

Christine Hillis [00:09:37] super normal for people. Our brain like our first way of coping that our brain goes to is avoidance. It's like a supernatural thing that's like our brain just does because it's like, well, I don't like this emotion. Let's avoid it. Which obviously, as you know as well through your studies, doesn't necessarily make for the best mental health. But it's what a lot of us turn to. So starting social work and being like, oh, you have to do all the self reflection and then realizing as well, if I want to be a good boxer, like I need to pay attention to this stuff, I need to know how I'm feeling. I need to cater to my emotional and mental health as well. Otherwise, like, I'm not going to do very well in the sport.

Scarlett Delgado [00:10:19] Absolutely. And that's that's really, really good to hear about how when Sid pulled you aside and said that to you, because you're right, that is so powerful. It's not always about when you go to the gym, especially as boxers. We put so much pressure on ourselves because the sport itself of boxing is just so like you have to go into that forward motion. It's like you're caught. You're hitting something like you're literally your body and your mind is in the activation to hit something, inflicting some kind of impact on something else, very aggressive. So you're always kind of in this mind frame that you can't have a weakness. You have to fight through the whole thing. And just to have that step back and like, no, just breathe for a second. This is just getting through the day. This is just getting your body moving. This is just for you to do this for you and take a moment. Like, that's so important and how you applied it to other things, too. That's amazing. So, like, did you ever want to compete in boxing or was that something that like.

Christine Hillis [00:11:22] Yeah, so I did. So I had yeah, I have had some fights, so yeah, I have competed. It's been a while my honestly I'm like my hope and dream was to fight again over this last summer, which obviously that was my plan pre covid. So I did like aspiring exhibition in March and I was like feeling like going back in the ring and I was like I had to fight again and I was so excited when it happened. But yeah, no, I did fight quite a few times. I think six or seven maybe. Yeah. So I really enjoyed it. That was like over like a couple of years that I had my fights. But yeah I really, I really did enjoy it. I've tried since boxing, I tried competing and like some strange sports and stuff and I'm just like there's nothing like boxing though. Like I don't know what it is because I'm like at the end of a fight I like I am overwhelmed by emotion whether I won or lost. Like there's just such there's such an intensity to it. And I like love that feeling that like I've had times that like I really, really thought I was going to win a fight. And I'm like, I'm sad and crying afterwards because I like gave my all. And then I had other times that like I have won and I like I have this memory of like I won my fight and I went into the dressing room and I Syd literally like hug, picked me up and spun me around in the air. We were so excited.

Christine Hillis [00:12:48] Like, it's just nothing

Christine Hillis [00:12:50] quite like that feeling after a fight, whether go well or not, like it's so intense and emotional. So I've tried other sports sense and I'm just like now it's not the same.

Scarlett Delgado [00:13:01] It's not it's it's like we were talking. It's like the whole everybody always refers to everything in life as you have to fight for it, even with like soccer, volleyball, basketball, interviews, internship's like anything in life. Everybody's like, if you really want for it, fight for it. There's always a reference back to fight it because that is like the ultimate going way, way, way, way, way back. That is like the ultimate grasp of like true breaking through something. It's like I can fight through it and I did it putting your whole hundred percent mental and physical effort into it with skill, not just like brawling it out or something, but this is a skill. It's like a game of chess in there. And when you know that you did a good job, it is such a rewarding feeling like you can feel like you can take on the world.

Christine Hillis [00:13:55] And I'm one of those people like I love the preparation as well. Like some people are like, oh, like I don't super enjoy, like, putting it all the like other time and like, you know, the training six days a week and running and everything. I love that. Like, I love the preparation. I remember one fight I had. I listen to the same album and like I'm not even a big EDM fan. Then I found this one like Skrillex album and I listen to it like in every training session on every run. And I was just like, so jazzed. And I loved, like, the whole preparation phase.

Scarlett Delgado [00:14:35] That's awesome. That's like that's kind of like spotting where

Scarlett Delgado [00:14:39] you, like, take something like, for example, when people study and

Scarlett Delgado [00:14:42] they want to remember something like let's

Scarlett Delgado [00:14:45] say you is like color coded flashcards or something like that to make those mental

Scarlett Delgado [00:14:50] twitches.

Scarlett Delgado [00:14:51] So like when you're listening to the same song and you're doing like these workouts and you're building all this like muscle memory and all these like like movements that you're memorizing in your body. So then when you get ready to go to fight, your body is automatically kind of like turning on like, OK, I know what to do. I know what I'm going to do and it's going to be executed because I've been training like this. For now, six weeks, that's.

Christine Hillis [00:15:16] Yeah, and I found it was like my way of like getting into like that, like mental preparedness, that it was like it's like those are still to this day. I swear, if I'm doing a workout, I'm one of those songs. Come on. I'm like, let's go look, I'm working out. And all of a sudden, like, my workout goes to one hundred no matter what I'm doing, because I'm like like, yeah, no,

Scarlett Delgado [00:15:39] no, you're like, this is my gym. This is what I listen to when I'm getting big. Well, that's amazing. So at this point, because you have your masters now in social work, right.

Scarlett Delgado [00:15:53] So do you want to, let's say, write another book in the future, or do you still have, like, aspirations to kind of take a little bit further in your studies or like what's kind of your plan right now

Scarlett Delgado [00:16:05] with that area?

Christine Hillis [00:16:07] Yeah, so I have been doing like a lot of private counseling and private therapy, which I really, really enjoy. I also have been kind of just enjoying like putting out things in smaller spurts because like writing a book is so intensive. But I also just find sometimes to like it's more like accessible to get your information out there, to just do like a blog or a video or like just like Schauder kind of things for people to still get something out of rather than like convincing someone to read an entire book. Sometimes it's hard, just we're all busy. Right, like setting aside that many hours. So, yeah, it's just been a lot of like blog writing and videos and things like that. And then. Yeah, doing like more of my private practice therapy as well. Yeah. I don't know, I could maybe eventually see myself doing some sort of like research PhD. But we'll see. It's funny because I used to like so not be a school person but for sure, like once you get into something that you enjoy and you're passionate about, it's totally different, like.

Scarlett Delgado [00:17:13] One hundred percent.

Christine Hillis [00:17:14] And so like I was the kid who like didn't go to class on high school and I hated every second of being there. And then like once I started doing more courses that like I actually cared about the subject matter, I'm like, I'm going to do the extra reading and like and still like I still, like, go through and like read like like research journals and everything. And I'm like constantly like looking for more information. But again, it's something that you actually care about it's a lot different,.

Scarlett Delgado [00:17:46] Of course.

Scarlett Delgado [00:17:47] And you don't get hard to convince teenagers that it's so hard to convince teenagers that, like, don't worry, like you will be able to pick something you like. Just try to get the grades that you need right now.

Christine Hillis [00:17:58] Oh, I

Christine Hillis [00:18:00] like I went so zigzaggy in terms of like figuring out like education and everything. And like, my biggest thing was I was just like, I'm just going to keep taking things that are interesting and eventually I'll get where I need to go. Like I first went to school for politics and thought I was going to.

Scarlett Delgado [00:18:19] Wow.

Christine Hillis [00:18:19] Which is a friggin joke now because I don't think I have enough of a filter to do well in my career.

Christine Hillis [00:18:28] But yeah, I

Christine Hillis [00:18:30] like totally going back to what you're saying, like sometimes you've got to just be like what am I interested in? And I went into politics and I was like, oh, you're like looking at people as like numbers and they're like GDP and stuff like that. I'm like, I don't like that. I want to like, care about who they are as people. And then I went into anthropology, the like study cultures, and I was like, this is really cool. But the thing with that is like you do a research study, but you're not allowed to like interrupt anything. So if you see something unethical, you're just supposed to like write about it. And like five people in your academic world will read it like that either. So then I ended up in social work because I was like, how do you actually like make change within community and stuff. You eventually get where you need to go, which then again is like really funny that I took all these ways to get there and then ended up where I thought I was going to be five years ago. It's so funny, but it's like,

Scarlett Delgado [00:19:27] no, like I mean, I'm

Scarlett Delgado [00:19:30] not like I don't have any, like, specific beliefs, but I'm a firm believer that everybody has a purpose on in their life. Like, everybody has this gift that they're given and they just have to find it and then give that gift to everybody else. I actually said that to Syd, like, when I talk to him, he's very like like he reminds me of and I know it's not it's Picasso because I thought it was pop

Scarlett Delgado [00:19:57] pop Pablo

Scarlett Delgado [00:19:58] Coelho that set it up first. But then I actually research it's Picasso that said your purpose in this life is to find your gift. And the meaning of it is to give that gift to other people. And that's amazing that as long as you just stay on the route that you feel is drawing you. You're going to get to that destination, which leads me to my next question of like so boxing, like, why specifically did you first step into the boxing gym? Because you have wrestling, you have basketball, you have soccer. There's so many sports. But why specifically boxing for you?

Christine Hillis [00:20:31] Yeah, and it's funny because, like, I never really did that many competitive sports before. Like, I had kind of I was like one of those people that I'd like try a sport for a year and be like, yeah, whatever

Christine Hillis [00:20:44] part of

Christine Hillis [00:20:44] it, too, is I think that I do better independent sports. Not that I'm like not a team player. I just like I like being like I'm relying on myself and my.

Scarlett Delgado [00:20:54] Yeah, yeah.

Christine Hillis [00:20:55] I've always done better at like the like solo sports. But yeah, I was like a really angry teenager just with like everything that I was going through. And one of my big coping strategies, I still own the same punching bag that I bought when I was 15. I took my Christmas money and on Boxing Day I bought a heavy bag and I still have it hanging up in my basement.

Scarlett Delgado [00:21:20] Oh, my God.

Christine Hillis [00:21:21] So I just, like, went out and bought it and I used to, like, whale on it. I'm like, you know, when you're young and you have no technique and it's like you have all the like scrape on your knuckles, everything. And I loved it. And then you have like I just finally one day I was like, hey, I'm going to learn how to do this properly. Like, I really enjoy doing this. I'm going to learn how to do this properly. So then I actually was on the bus to go to a different boxing gym. And like for some reason, I don't remember why these two guys started talking to me and they were like, oh, we just went to check out that gym and it's closed. But there's another gym on the bus route, like you should check that out, which ended up being Syd's. So like I almost didn't even find the gym. Like, it just kind of like was like this super random encounter that these guys were like, you should check out this gym. Like, they seem nice. And I went there instead. And yeah, like just totally fell in love, fell in love with the culture and just yeah, I really enjoyed it. And then it was funny. Like two years later talking to some of my older relatives, I found out I think it was my it was either my great grandfather, great great grandfather was like a boxer in Chicago and he was like a professional fighter. I found out that I like stuff like familial ties to boxing. I was like, well, that's weird

Scarlett Delgado [00:22:50] because those kind of like in the family, like you guys like to rumble in there

Christine Hillis [00:22:54] like this,

Christine Hillis [00:22:56] you know, I guess if you have, like an Irish background, you're bound to have like one boxer in your area.

Scarlett Delgado [00:23:07] I know quite a few Irish people that I've seen. Well, I went to Ireland a couple of years back for this tournament. And the culture there, like, I don't know if, you know Katie Taylor, the professional

Scarlett Delgado [00:23:20] boxing. Love her, but

Scarlett Delgado [00:23:23] she's like a hero throughout the nation, really immersed into the boxing culture. So it makes sense what you're saying.

Christine Hillis [00:23:32] Oh, yeah. I remember I went to Ireland was probably like eight years ago. So I had, like, just kind of started getting into boxing and. Yeah, everybody I've met with, like, you like boxing. Do you like Kate Taylor? Isn't she great. We're so proud of her.

Christine Hillis [00:23:48] I'm like, that's cool.

Christine Hillis [00:23:52] Female boxers, such a big deal here.

Scarlett Delgado [00:23:56] But that's amazing, right.

Scarlett Delgado [00:23:59] I love that. Like the whole country, you know, not just

Scarlett Delgado [00:24:04] boxing, but a female boxer. Like, that's pretty awesome.

Scarlett Delgado [00:24:10] I'm like, you

Scarlett Delgado [00:24:12] know, one of the things that brings us to these questions, because boxing is such an amazing outlet, especially for women, something that like we weren't even given the privilege on the Olympic podium until twenty twelve. When we say that it sounds crazy so late in the game. But like now, you know, people are seeing the use of the boxing. But what I've heard that there's some theory or something I don't know where I heard this in the grapevine, but that some people are trying to take what boxing is. And, for example, when people want to have it as their outlet, it's almost like their outlet is tied to punching and it's tied to hitting something and making it look as if people are going to want to be more violent because they're using it as their outlet. And like you are a clinical psychologist. So what is your take on that?

Christine Hillis [00:25:06] Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of funny because, like, we think of all of our other, like, stress reliever. And coping strategies and stuff like that, it's not like we can know that something in the right location is good to alleviate some stress with that like automatically going to that. Like, it's not like you see people like like in the middle of their workday, they get stressed out and they just start running like

Christine Hillis [00:25:31] it's not like I think of

Christine Hillis [00:25:34] all the other coping strategies. It's not like people like all of a sudden get like stressed out. It's like, oh, got to like all of a sudden they start like painting something and like the middle of their office.  That's not how it works otherwise. And I think you have like more risk of like there being violence if you don't have that outlet. Right. Like as much as we are kind of we try and be like peaceful and polite creatures. Now, like there is that side that you need to expunge some of that energy. And I remember I watched the one Netflix docu series. I'm trying it. I think it was Fight World. So the one guy like goes to all these different countries and tries a different fighting sports and all these different countries. And they did one on boxing in Mexico because it's obviously huge there. And they actually implemented sparring in this women's prison and they actually found that there were less fights in the prison when they had, like, safe ways for them to spar. So if there was like a lot of tension between two females, they would let them, like, safely spar like with coaches. And then they weren't fighting like outside of it. So I think, like, if you use that energy in that kind of like, safe space, then it ends up being better. Right? Like it's like kids who need more discipline go to karate class. Like there's so many other things that martial arts teach us. And boxing is another form of martial arts. Right. Like there's a lot of structure and discipline. And like you have to listen to a coach, like, I know it's it's like you don't just get thrown into sparring as soon as you show up, you earn that spot. You have to listen to your coach. If you're overly aggressive with your sparring opponent, you get pulled like you. I don't get that that right anymore. So, yeah, like I think to say, if you teach somebody how to punch, they'll automatically punch when they get stressed out. It's kind of like I think like we tell people like, oh, take a dance class. I'm imagining as people get into an argument, someone starts like like dance off,

Scarlett Delgado [00:27:43] like that would be great. If people were arguing and just danced.

Christine Hillis [00:27:51] Like interpretive dance. And then it just doesn't happen. Right.

Christine Hillis [00:27:57] We don't see that with any other coping strategy. But someone just like reverts into their coping strategy.

Scarlett Delgado [00:28:06] I think that's my favorite argument.  You don't start dancing

Christine Hillis [00:28:09] Yeah like you're not interpretive dancing when you get mad, it's like if that's your coping strategy. And realistically, like a lot of the boxers I know are some of the most peaceful and chill people.

Scarlett Delgado [00:28:21] Yes.

Christine Hillis [00:28:22] Because, again, like, you have to be aware and like on top of your mental and emotional well-being in order to do well in the sport.

Scarlett Delgado [00:28:32] It's like you can't you can't eat bad and then expect to do well in boxing. So oftentimes, most people, even when they start really any sport, if they really want to like, do well with it, they do little things without maybe realizing it, like, OK, I'm going to drink a little bit more water today because, like, I feel like I've been having a little bit too much pop and I'm not feeling good when I'm training or something. They just are kind of changing their lifestyle in different little ways when they take a sport. And like this one, we're talking about boxing. They take it seriously. It's like I know personally that if I eat something that's fried that oil or anything that's oily like which I rarely do anyways at this point. But the oil makes me feel if I train the next day

Scarlett Delgado [00:29:16] so low and

Scarlett Delgado [00:29:18] I don't know, my body just feels gross, like as if it's still trying to break it down, it's still trying to get it through my system. And I'm just not at that hundred percent as opposed to when I drink water and I'm eating, you know, cooked vegetables and good quality protein and good quality thoughts and stuff like that, I feel the difference in my body. And even that feeling becomes an addiction and it changes people's. And when you're eating good food, what does that do? That also helps your mental health as well.

Scarlett Delgado [00:29:49] So, like,

Scarlett Delgado [00:29:51] because you you were mentioning before that you went through a lot of mental health problems when you were younger. And do you find that maybe this was something that kind of like started changing when you started taking up boxing?

Christine Hillis [00:30:03] Oh, absolutely right. Like because like I said, like, I had to even just kind of confronting my like. Emotional and mental health, right, so I have bipolar and anxiety and like I obviously had to learn how to manage those things so that it wasn't kind of impacting me. And like for me, the biggest kind of thing that I realized was around boxing, where I was like because I didn't want some days I'm really good and other days I'm really bad. Like, I wanted to find kind of consistency and consistency in the sport and for my anxiety, especially like I used to, like I was at the point that I was having anxiety attacks like pretty much daily in high school, like university. Sometimes it was more weekly, but they were still really intense. And then after I started like boxing and just paying attention to my mental health and like being more on top of things, like I would go like months and months without one, like it's all so rare now. And really, like everybody, I think has kind of that catalyst that they recognize, like, OK, this is what I need to take care of myself. And you're right, like any type of sport in boxing especially can be a catalyst for somebody to be like, hey, I need to take care of myself better. Right. And that might be like through nutrition, it might be reducing substances. It might be like taking care of their mental well-being. Because just like you were saying, like if you eat really like oily or fried food, you may feel crappy in training the next day. It's the same thing. Like if you have a really intense anxiety attack, like it's really exhausting, like not just mentally but physically as well. And, you know that you're not going to have a good day at training the next day. So it's the same kind of thing of like I need to take care of myself in all aspects of my wellbeing in order to show up for this sport.

Scarlett Delgado [00:31:58] Yeah, and I know that it's so important. I think that people forget that boxing you don't have to I mean, for you and I, you know, we love it, but you don't have to compete in something that's just for your your inner soul almost. It's like just getting all of your aspects put together because you even carry that, as you mentioned, with other things in life. Like for me personally, I when I lost my grandmother, I was at such a low point, I was juggling going to nationals that, you know, the following year. And then I also was in school studying. And it was like at a time when she was like raised me, she was my mom. It was such a low for like my whole family. And I took it to alcohol for a little bit, which a lot of people don't know. And I found that getting myself back on track was keep telling myself, no, if I keep this, then I'm not going to do well next week when I go to the gym or like, I literally would not drink because even though I wanted to at the time, but I wouldn't do it because I knew it wouldn't do well in training and then going so long because I forced myself, no, I got to go four or five times a week. So I would force myself on even those two days of the week that I wasn't training. Still don't want to drink because I knew I was going training a couple of days or it would keep me consistent for months at a time. And then even when I wasn't training for like a week or so, I wouldn't have that urge anymore to want to drink. And it's like boxing is so physical. Physical health is so important for people to really tie it to a healthy lifestyle, healthy mindset. And I'm so happy that you shared that with us, especially because you know exactly what you're talking about. This isn't like just a personal experience. Like, you know as well exactly what you're talking about. This is so important. I'm really happy that people are hearing this right now. Do you have anything else you want to add to this.

Christine Hillis [00:33:52] Yeah, I was just going to go, like, off of what you were saying, like, in terms of that purpose. Right. And we talked about it before, like in terms of career purpose, but also that, like, purpose could be like getting involved with boxing or it could be like taking care of your mental health better. Or it could be like showing up as a better parent. Right. Like there is that whole it's called logo therapy. But it's based on the idea that people who get through and have that resilience and take care of themselves are usually people who have some sort of purpose. So really finding that purpose. And for a lot of us like that is boxing. And that's why, like we rally around the sport and that's why we love it, is just finding that purpose. And you're right, it doesn't mean that you have to compete. It could just be like showing up and doing the classes in your local gym or whatever, but having having a goal, having something to look forward to having that purpose. That's what keeps us going.

Scarlett Delgado [00:34:49] Exactly. And on your and on your point to as Syd said to you, sometimes you just got to get through that workout and like, you know, you're still winning because you did it. That's so important. I'm really happy to share this message with everybody. Thank you so much, Christine, for joining us. This has been a great talk. I really, really excited for everybody to listen to this. Do you have anything else you want to say?

Christine Hillis [00:35:15] No, I would just say if you are interested in talking to anybody about your mental health or anything that's going on with that, everything In Seen Through the Label. So if you Google my name or Seen Through the Label, it'll all pop up. Whether you just want blogs, you want to check out the book, you want to book an appointment. It's all there.

Scarlett Delgado [00:35:35] For everybody.

Scarlett Delgado [00:35:36] Christine Helo's phenomenal person right here. Thank you so much, Christine. Everybody check out her book, Seen Through the Label. Check her out. And put your hands up for me, please. Thank you so much, Christine. And tune in next Friday for our next episode of The Female Fist.