Who Gets The Big Break | The Sugar Show with Natalie Brown

Natalie discusses who get the big break for women’s boxing from her point of view.

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Transcribed:

Hey y’all, it’s 7 30 on a wednesday night, and so you know what time it is it’s the sugar show where we get together and we talk about women’s boxing.

Okay, um, you know the name, i’m natalie sugar, brown and women’s boxing is my game.

Uh the show is about just talking about the authentic experience of women’s boxing.

Really, you know touching on topics that may make some people squirm on other platforms.

Uh, hey mike.

I he mike chimes in tonight, says hi sugar, hey baby, thanks for coming thanks for chiming.

In um, i am so excited um about what has been going on uh in the you know, welterweight middleweight category, but before hey, oh eric’s, into building too hey eric thanks for chiming in with sugar.

Okay – and you know what more people we we it’s a party now right and uh, the the more the merrier so um we’re talking about some some good stuff happening in the super welterweight uh middleweight division, but uh um.

Allow me to introduce myself a bit more.

My name is natalie sugar brown aka, miss too bad.

I have been an elite boxer or female boxer in women’s boxing.

All my life uh it it was a career of mine or it is and uh.

I am just grateful to the guys here at talk and fight for the opportunity to give back my hard-won perspectives on what the game really is, and hopefully coach others on how to play it, even though you don’t play boxing okay, so yes, it’s getting real hot.

In that middleweight division um, we are going to touch on just um a a question.

You know the title of the show is: who gets the big break? Who gets the breaks? You you feel or you you look at women’s boxing.

You look at the rankings.

The ratings you look at all the sanctioning bodies and you see a list of baddies, a list of broads in line for the opportunity to take on the champion and for the most part we feel like.

Okay number one goes.

First number two goes second number three and on and on and on, but it ain’t working like that, especially in women’s boxing, and i want to touch on what goes on in that situation, because i i just i i just want people to understand what you got To go through to keep your spot and then what happens when you work hard to keep your spot and then somebody from out of nowhere jumps your head and gets the break right.

It’S not fair! You! You know you, you, train, you’re, focused your people, you got your team working for you and and you’re doing everything you’re supposed to do just for um them to play uh.

You know dirty checkers with you right boxing.

They say it’s just not checkers, and it is.

It’S chess, not checkers in the ring and outside the ring, and you got to have the right people just like in chess right.

You got to have the right people on your front line or the right people on your team playing each role.

So the topic or the topic of discussion or leading the discussion tonight is 50 year old, chevelle halbach.

This crone put an injunction to the wbc for the 154 title match set on the 13th of august in columbia, between uh, patricia bergold who’s holding the title.

Right now and our girl, cecilia breakhouse, okay um, do we have pictures, my lovely assistant, see if you can put something up all right, so there should go itty bitty right there on the screen and um we’ll make it quick.

I hope that we can adjust the screen uh for the picture to come in better.

But if that’s what we got, that’s what we got: okay, um, because we got listeners in on the podcast and we got people looking at the show on our viewing platforms.

Okay, so we got chevelle hal back.

Who is a crone in the game right now she has been in the game ever since i was a team, you know i’m a i’m a crone now and you know she’s been in the game since i was a teenager.

Um fighting she fought everybody chevelle halbach has been a name in the industry for the past 20 plus years, okay and she she does well for herself.

She takes care of herself she’s strong she’s.

The her style is she’s, a raw fighter, she’s unconventional.

She throws punches from looping angles that you don’t see.

Her stance is also unconventional where she gives you that lead shoulder, but she looks like when she’s fighting you.

She looks like she’s walking away from you right.

She looks like she’s always walking away from you and then she comes back and she hits you with something that jersey joe.

So this is the thing i love about women’s boxing right um.

I love that we have our own style.

I love that we have our own way of executing things that we’ve learned from our male counterparts in the industry.

So i i say that to say this: okay, um chevelle’s style is a lot like uh.

She would be considered like the jersey, joe of women’s boxing.

You know uh the jersey, joe walcott style, where she she acts like she’s, walking away from you, but then she comes with shots and she uses the momentum of that to draw you in and hurt you.

Okay, she’s uh, um chevelle halbach is about five four um between five four and five six.

I know i’m taller than her um i used to look up to.

I still do i looked up to her very, very, very nice person when you meet her okay.

There are some broad female boxing broads out here that are nasty.

You know they they’re not friendly, and they you know they.

They have some kind of entitlement to them, but uh never the case with.

We call her lovingly uh chevy in women’s boxing.

Her nickname is she’s known as fist of steel, but we all call it chevy, so um chevy has put herself and chevy, and her team has put herself in good standing to be the mandatory for the wbc 154 title, which uh that is uh um uh.

I believe it is a light middleweight.

I i’ve never been good at the the weight classes, but it’s 154 okay um.

All i knew was my well.

I really.

All i knew is definitely was my weight class and maybe uh above, which was my weight class.

Was super lightweight or junior welterweight and above welterweight, and then you know we got super welterweight and then middleweight right.

So i think this is the or junior middleweight which is the this is 154 junior middleweight, so um the story is junior.

Thank you mike mike chimes in junior middle.

Thank you mike so um.

What has happened, though, is cecilia is chevelle in fighting over the years and and um.

You know it’s tough to get a spot, it’s tough to get in a spot and it’s tough to keep a spot.

Why? Because there are shenanigans that are happening where people are paying the sanctioning bodies under the table.

They get their girls placed on the rankings and then you got to find fights.

You got to fight the right people to to stay in good standing, so um chevelle has been doing that, but i like how she’s done it because, as a crone, now she the the way she’s moved.

Is she doesn’t fight as often right, because getting ready for fights and and and being ready for fights as you get more mature in in boxing, especially as a woman, it it um? It takes a lot out of you, so you have to preserve yourself and, and what happens too? Is we kind of get on that train and crack like we? It’S like a train and crack where, when we were younger, we were training every day we were doing every.

We were doing everything twice as much because number one.

We had something to prove and number two.

You know it.

We were constantly learning chevy now is in at a point in her career where uh she’s, not she.

She don’t need to learn no more.

She is who she’s gon na be in that ring, and she knows it inside it and out and she to take you somewhere if you are not um, if you are not um ready, if you are not experienced enough, if you don’t have that intelligence chevy going To take you on a ride, okay, so mike chimes in and says, chevy’s last fight was august: 7.

2021.

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Damn skippy right! So that’s what i was saying.

It was last year august, sometime right and now she’s giving herself a window of giving herself a break.

She’S cross-training, she does other things, so i think chevy power lifts.

She actually set the damn record uh for a bench press or something like that recently yeah.

So she do stuff like that when that that keeps her in in good shape, it keeps her her body uh sound enough to then pivot right back into competitive, fighting.

Okay, um now what’s happened here.

She put the injection um in or her fa.

Her people put the injunction in because all of a sudden there’s this fight set between patricia bergold and cecilia brachos for august 13th, in columbia, for the green belt right and the green belt is the belt okay right now, that’s the strongest belt right now, um it Just is what it is like i’ve.

I always say the fighter makes the belt the belt doesn’t make the fighter, but in women’s boxing now uh you know the guy.

We strive for that green belt because the the big boys, the the mans they they gunning for that green belt too.

So you know we we on some follow the leader stuff with that like with that.

But what happened? What used to happen back in the day – and i hope we get back to this – was because we had so many renegades.

You know the belt.

Wasn’T the thing that validated the fighter it’s who the fighter fought is.

That is what validated the fighter.

So you didn’t even have to have any belts, but if you had a good resume of names, you were that [ __ ].

Okay, you were that broad.

You were that baddie, okay uh, when when laylee and them came in now they had the last name.

So, of course, they go on.

Um want to have uh the belt, and everything like that.

So it looks good on paper.

Things started to change now how it goes or was put out.

There is uh halbach’s management offered bergald’s team 20 grand to make this fight and defend out and and fight for the for this shot.

Okay, so chevelle’s team offered bergald’s team 20 000 for a shot for a break um for that, as a mandatory challenger and burgold’s team ignored it, they didn’t even come back with an answer.

They just ignored it.

I don’t know like this.

Is women boxing now right? So you knock on my door with twenty thousand dollars in your pocket.

Twenty grand and you wan na fight i’ll, be there with bells on.

But i guess that’s not the case for uh patricia bergold’s team right, so they didn’t answer the door and chevelle’s sitting there.

Standing there on the porch waiting for a break waiting for an opportunity to fight and out of the blue, the announcement comes that patricia.

Bergold is fighting cecilia breakhouse once again august 13th in columbia.

For the title now this is a big slap in the face right.

Uh, lovely assistant, can you put on the other image for me, let’s see what what we got, i i know i got people listening, but people are watching too and i want y’all to see what we talking about right.

Okay, so there’s patricia burgold okay she’s, holding both of the belts that she has um, i’m not sure what the other belt is, but um we focused on that green, okay, um and so uh patricia now.

It shows that you know it’s locked in.

That means patricia and her team to patricia signed on that dotted line.

Saying i will fight cecilia.

I will give cecilia a break right while she went and left chevelle howl back in her team on red yeah.

So i mean shenanigans.

Yes, okay, there’s a reason why there’s a ranking there’s a reason why there are mandatories.

There’S reason why we have to do certain things to keep our place in in our standing, keep our standing uh and keep our our value as fighters in in in this game.

Right, so if you are the mandatory challenger, you have done what it takes to get that break and for someone, especially such as cecilia bragg house, to jump over chevelle halbach’s head and get this break.

Get this title shot is very unethical.

It is um [, Music ].

Where are the rules? That means that, like what are we doing? What are we doing here? Right, um, [, Music, ]? What what is women’s boxing now? What is women’s boxing right because we can’t be taken seriously? Are we turning into wwe, like you have to take these rankings seriously? You have to you have to understand what it means to be a baddied, a bad broad, what it means to be ranked what our value system is.

You don’t get to pick and choose who you fight.

Shame on you patricia bergalt, because that’s you! That’S you! Punk yeah calls you a punk and i’d definitely fight you.

If i was active, no, no joke about that! Because girl, i ain’t, even put the picture up.

I saw you at one weight, weigh-in and girl.

I see the work.

I certainly didn’t see the work on you so yeah.

I would try you.

I certainly would uh without a second thought um, so you don’t get to choose uh, patricia bergalt, who your challengers are.

If there’s a mandatory, you address that mandatory before you get to pick okay and chevelle halbach is the mandatory.

You got to give her the break before you give cecilia now, cecilia breakhouse comes, you know she comes in she’s got a name now.

I guess jessica.

Mccaskill ran her ass out of 147, so she moving up to 154 because she sees that bergalt is there and i and i’m just going to say a girl ain’t.

Nobody ain’t! Nobody concerned about you, berg berghalt, patricia you weak up there holding that belt.

So people are seeing that there’s an opportunity to take what you got and then and and and now i guess, you and your team feel like you want to um get the the bang for the buck, because cecilia i mean, if cecilia are going to come on Your porch and knock on your door, you know, as cecilia know, the game she’s been in it, she’s been in it.

Uh and she’s showed up every every day.

She ain’t missed a year.

She’S fought every year since i think about 2007 fought every year and she was.

She was the champion for the majority of those years at at 147, and and so she knows how the game is played.

So she ain’t going to move up without offering no good money.

So i suppose she probably offered more than twenty thousand dollars for the break and uh patricia burkhoff took took that and so that the the sanctioning body of wbc uh sanctioned that title defense, which is like.

I said it’s it’s it’s unethical for for them to to do that.

It’S not it’s not the highest, bigger bitter.

I mean these sanctioning bodies.

I want you all to know this.

The sanction in bodies, meaning these belts, these belt organizations – is all about the money they don’t care, they really don’t care about.

Who’S got the belt who’s in line.

You know who’s doing right by representing the belt.

They don’t care.

You pay that bill.

You pay my bill.

You pay that you’re gon na pay me for holding my belt.

Otherwise, i’m gon na find somebody who’s gon na pay me to take that belt from you.

That’S how they roll okay, so especially in women’s boxing yeah, that’s how that works! So um that they really they’ve really played my girl, uh chevelle, halbach chevy and the chevy’s up there, chevy’s a crone she’s, 50 years old, seasoned and and brined and – and you know she she is um she’s in good condition to put on a good show.

I would say, because it ain’t the youngins, it really ain’t the youngins – it’s not about the youngins out here, putting on a show in that boxing ring right.

It’S about a grown-ass woman getting in there grown-ass broad, getting in there and showing you what her years of this boxing game has done to her and for her yeah right.

So you’re going to see some real performance, some real entertainment.

Now um breakus has taken a break, i would say uh since her two losses against jessica mccaskill.

So if you y’all don’t know the story, i’m gon na tell you a little bit about the story.

Okay, so uh mccaskill, uh rallied.

She fought uh katie taylor and was rallying she.

She was rallying at like 132.

Then she jumped up and fought katie taylor at 1 35.

Then she jumped up, i think, from there big time and fought uh, cecilia breikos, for all the belts – and i say it till this day, cecilia actually won those two fights.

Now i don’t watch cecilia all these years and i haven’t seen cecilia rob people point.

Blank right.

Cecilia, has robbed many of fighters of victories right, so it it’s kind of it’s.

It’S a karmatic um.

How can i say this without sounding like miss petty betty it? It’S uh: it’s like a a carmatic thrill to see cecilia go through the same [ __ ] that she put the some great fighters through right.

So cecilia breakers fought, jesse, mckay, jessica, mccaskill and uh.

The first fight was was real nasty because you know uh mccaskill is wild and she’s.

Just her style is just a while uh, you know rumble, get rumble roll and rumble type of fight.

You know like did it it ain’t clean it.

You know you, you going.

Bang you’re going you know: she’s gon na put her head down.

She’S gon na windmill and step to you.

Okay and cecilia brayhouse is a boxer she’s.

From that boxing background pedigree, i believe cecilia brackhouse was uh an amateur world silver medalist.

I think she was.

We didn’t cross paths in the amateurs either because in that window of time, when i stepped off my square as being ranked two in the world, um for for a bit of of life and living cecilia came – and i believe, cecilia got the title after um.

When i stepped out of amateurs so um that all right and – and so she fought jessica mccaskill – who i i don’t i just jessica – mccaskill – does not have any amateur background.

You could clearly see it from the way she fights, but there’s nothing wrong with that right.

It’S just that you know she just finds a way to get her job done, it’s not as technically clean and and proficient as someone like, cecilia bracas, with an elite amateur background.

Okay, so um cecilia lost her belts after holding on to them chumpy’s, for you know since 2007, and i suppose she she took some time to think about where she is in her career and what she should be doing: okay, um she’s long in the tooth now, She’S a crone and when she showed up for those two fights versus uh mccaskill, she she did look kind of old in there, but she she managed she she managed to um handle mccaskill in in good fashion.

Like my, they say this in the south.

You know when you roll with a pig you’re gon na get some mud on you.

Okay, so it wasn’t a clean fight with mccaskill, but cecilia brack has did um manage in that fight.

Well enough to to handle uh mccaskill.

You know decisively where you could see that yeah she’s managing this girl, but you know, mccaskill came with the fight and then mccaskill has a great team behind her.

So mccaskill sho enough got some money behind her.

That made sure they paid that sanction and body for them belts, because that session and body was like uh, uh, cecilia guess what you’re gon na have to give mccaskill them belts.

So she can make us some some money on that um.

Now, when like at this point in time, we we want to measure we, we want to measure the value right.

I i i want to see why patricia berghold and them made the decision that they did make in jumping jumping over uh chevelle halbach’s head and fighting cecilia break us right, because when you look at it like when you do look at it, if you want to Look at it this way, habakkuk is 50 years old.

How back has doesn’t have the fighting frequency, so she ain’t been in the she ain’t been in the ring as often as cecilia um.

You know she she’s not a relevant name, not that she’s not that she doesn’t have value but she’s, not as popular as cecilia bregas right.

So i would think that her people would say or or patricia would say.

Hmm, i will take my chances with fighting uh hallback, because, if we’re going to play the game, let’s play it, hallback isn’t a um contender that would that would threaten me holding onto my belt.

The sanction in body most likely would not allow chevelle at 50 years old to take that belt from me, because they want longevity in whoever holds that belt right.

I’M not sure who would line up to it would be it’s hard for chavel halbach to get fights.

Now, because she’s 50 years old, okay and and that it just is what it is, but she’s a name right and and it’s she’s a name that is not in the bargaining bargain bin.

She actually has she’s.

Actually, a bit of boxing royalty, she’s fought, lucia riker she’s fought the likes of those names.

So if you have a victory against that, you know in a sense you you take some of that uh legacy onto your resume.

Okay um! So you know as a contender.

You you you got held back and then you have um breakhouse.

Now where breakhouse has been, you know, she’s been off since she her two losses to uh jessica, mccaskill she’s, not an actual junior middleweight.

She is, you know she fought at 147 welterweight, so uh berkel may have an advantage there in being the bigger fighter, who you know can can navigate a fight at middleweight, more so than um break us right and and break us has been dropped in there by A smaller well no was cali raised.

I think kelly reyes was a middleweight at the time she dropped nope.

She was uh.

Cali reyes was 147 the time that she at the time she dropped, cecilia brake house.

So you know it shows that it would show patricia that she she may have some leverage here in in fighting a smaller cecilia break us – and you know, cecilia brecos ain’t ain’t knocking nobody out.

She ain’t hurt nobody.

I never seen cecilia brecos hurt nobody she’ll she’ll boxing and you know [ __, ] dance out dance, you she she was.

She was the old katie taylor right.

She was she used to just out dance her opponents and and and then you know, if, if you didn’t kill the queen, you were gon na, you were gon na lose.

So a lot of fighters didn’t get a chance to put her down, except for cali race right and then, of course, kelly.

I don’t know what it is if that was an agreement behind the scenes where cali rays didn’t jump on her ass after she, after cecilia after them gloves touched the mat you belong to me little sis, [, __, ], poo, right, you’re, gon na have to that’s Blood in the water, i’m a shark on your ass right, but cali raised us actually stepped back and allowed cecilia to come back into the fight which i i just could never understand.

Um.

So you know, there’s some there’s a bit more leverage with cecilia brack house, you’re you getting a victory over cecilia breck house, more so than to me chevelle halbach.

So i i would have well.

I guess that’s i mean i guess they chose right.

Then you know they chose cecilia coming up, but cecilia wasn’t even in line for a shot, so it at the end of the day we we we have to play by the rules.

If you don’t play by the rules, you’ll become a casualty of the same rules that you’re breaking right, and so i don’t know, i guess burgled is deciding that she’s not going to uh stick around anymore, because i don’t see where anybody else is going.

Uh entertain her after any one of these, after cecilia takes her belts right, she would get.

There might be some kind of entertainment when she beats hal back, because now it’s like okay, you beat hellback, you you’re a baddie.

You know i i need to get some.

I need to get some street credit on my name off of you, but i ramble uh we’re gon na keep going okay um, so this is uh can can y’all do it? Do i have another picture here uh, so we can keep the flow go.

My lovely assistant, what you got ah there he go so uh; no, no, no! No! No! No! No go back.

Go back, go back, i’m ready for that.

Okay.

So this is the thing that title defense is happening in cali, columbia, okay and you guys the promoter is yvonne, michelle who uh the the image.

That’S who we’re looking at right now image wise okay, so you see that uh that smile, only a mother could love there you go.

He now is putting on uh this show and um.

This is the story with yvonne michelle okay, so this is, i believe it is yvonne group that is what his promotion is and it’s in quebec.

Okay, now this promoter is laying low off of the death of jeanette zacharias, who traveled from her country, i believe, she’s from mexico.

She traveled to quebec, with her husband and uh.

She ended up getting killed in in her her fight against marie pierre, who is yvonne.

Michelle’S, who is a part of yvonne, michelle’s, stable and, as i’ve said in the black eye of women’s boxing, there is someone on that team who sits and studies and stalks and watches and picks opponents hand picks opponents that are ready to be slaughtered for what? Whatever promoter they’re working for so uh, the matchmaker for yvonne’s promotion for his stable, picked uh jeanette zakarius because of her previous results and knew that jeanette zakarius would definitely get knocked out.

But they call this an accident um.

They said they.

It was an accident that they didn’t think that uh jeannette was gon na die and if you look at uh jeanette zakaria’s record and if you looked at the window between all of her fights, if you were a matchmaker worth your paper, you would know that this Fighter is in no condition to be in a match like what you put her in okay, so um [, Music, ], yvonne.

Michelle has laid low in the game, because don’t nobody want that on them right? Don’T nobody want that blood he’s got blood on his hands.

His promotion has blood on their on their hands in women’s boxing right.

A woman died because of how you matched her, and that is not anything to be ignored or swept under the rug.

Okay, a life was lost right, a family broken uh jeanette was married.

Okay, so she left a widower.

She left her husband, a widower and her family.

So what’s happened now is i’m sure you know the um commission, the canadian commission or in quebec or whatever um, is very much aware and they they want to try to now file.

Make sure rules are being followed, so uh yvonne michelle’s got he’s.

He has a spotlight on him.

He’S not gon na put together women’s matches on the mainland.

He’S gon na try to do it somewhere else, so loki he’s putting together this show or promoting this show in columbia, okay, um, which, coincidentally, is where cecilia bregas is originally from.

She was born in colombia, so i see what y’all doing right, uh it it’s.

It’S sounding like some shenanigans here.

It’S sounding like now, cecilia, is on her last couple.

You know on her last rotation in the industry and she might have gotten into a deal or might have somehow got picked up working with yvonne michelle and they trying to get cecilia as a contender at 154.

And this is what i foresee happening, because this y’all is what this raggedy man yeah.

I called you raggedy, yvonne michelle right because um you playing dirty out here: you’re, not helping women, you’re hurting us now, marie pierre uh, marie pierre, who or said her last name is h-o-u-l-e okay, who lay their french okay after she, um fought, jeanette, zakarius, okay, she Fought her, i think, sometime in august of last year as well right, so someone died under your hands marie pierre julie.

You would think that she set her ass down and think about what had happened right, because if i kill somebody i’ve done i’ve done my share of hurting in boxing, and i remember uh specifically when i thought kelly cofer, who was uh.

You know she was a great contender at the time i was honored to get an opportunity to fight her.

She actually fought me.

I fought her at casino rama in canada, so she came to.

She came to my backyard because she thought she was gon na beat sugar, okay and um.

I dropped kelly cover two two times that you can count, but i hurt her several times in that fight and because she was a great fighter because she was a uh.

You know a tough, she was a tough cookie, she didn’t stay down and she didn’t drop.

She kept coming back right because her father, i you i was hearing him on the other side of the ring, like i’m in my corner.

Getting my instruction from my coach and i’m hearing her father over on the other side of the ring so about she ain’t nobody.

She ain’t fought nobody she’s, nobody! I’M like she’s, talking about me right, i’m like wanting she.

She need to tell him what i’m doing to her in here right, because in my bro i know i’m giving her i’m giving her everything in the kitchen sink right and after that fight.

I won that fight.

It was majority decision, but i’m talking about this fight because after that fight kelly didn’t know who she was.

She didn’t know where she was.

She didn’t know who her father was.

She had gotten bro.

She had gotten so many blows that she had temporary amnesia and had to go to the hospital, and i felt horrible.

I did because it went beyond just a fight now i did something to her that would affect her long-term existence, her life right because we were chatting before the fight we were chatting at weigh-in and she told me that she was in school, actually um taking her Master’S degree – and you know she she was talking about because i i had so much respect for her as a fighter, and she was you know she came in she.

It was.

It was all about her.

She knew she was like all right fan girl, i’m gon na tell you about me, i’m in school, i’m taking my master’s degree and i’m showing up here to fight you.

So i was like okay good.

You know i took nothing.

I took nothing no offense to that, but i was like wow and then after she couldn’t even remember who she was after.

She fought me.

So my conscience kicked in after that.

I became really aware of the fact that these women, who i who did sign up to fight me, were definitely taking a chance in fighting me because they knew what i was capable of.

You could look on box work right now, whoever i have very little fights, because very little, not many people would take the chance right.

I had my percentage was i my.

I got a good percentage of uh ko rate even for the the little fights i had and they weren’t kos against body bags.

They were kos against or you know they were those um one against some really good contenders, good contenders.

Okay, so i digress.

I bring it back to mary, marie pierre julie, all right after having something to do with the death of jeanette zakarias in the ring did not set her ass down for a break at all.

She moved on to fight somebody right and not even a contender like not even she didn’t even say you know what y’all can y’all um.

You know find me a a better contender, so i can redeem myself no matchmaker brought in another.

I call him 4 and 40 fighter, meaning another fighter that had more losses than wins on their record, so uh she five months after i mean you know she thought um goodness.

I i just made some notes here.

She she fought uh within five months of jeanette’s death, two times: okay, hand-picked forty four and forty fighters: okay, uh.

She was six and oh when she fought uh jeanette and i believe she’s, eight and oh now, so she kept it going.

She has no conscience for what she’s doing in there and that’s yvonne michelle’s fighter all right so that that’s this guy’s fighter.

This is, this is what he does, because he put it out there, so she can continue to fight right, so a promoter that does that is not caring about the lives of these women that are putting money into his pocket that are allowing him to have.

These shows he just wants to make money off the blood.

Okay.

Make note of that make note of this guy so um, where, where are we okay, so the the shenanigans now cecilia brecos, colombian, okay? She i’m sure she has a pool there, because she’s colombian this title fight against burgold is in colombia.

Okay, uh bergalt is fighting not like.

This is not even the champion’s home ground, so you already know you already know what it is and then this is not the champion’s promoter, so you already know, what’s finn, to with finna, what’s gon na go down? Okay, we got some home cooking, so i i.

I really believe that if this fight happens, if this injunction doesn’t go through that chevelle halbach’s team put out that sicilian, breakouts will fight, bergot and cecilia breakers will take uh, bergot’s belts.

Because of just how i mean i’m a little bit jamaican, so i’m gon na say it’s just how just how the thing set.

You know just how i see the thing setting up and how how it’s it’s going.

I it’s looking like that somebody’s gon na get robbed, or they belts and it’s gon na be patricia for sure um.

This is the deal.

How back is now halbach is known to be miss nice, lady, in the business? Ah she’s everybody friend right um, give me the next image.

Y’All give me the next image this one’s for the people uh.

This is for for the people who are actually looking in on the the visual feed.

Okay.

So that’s jeanette, zakarius, r.

i.

p, sweetie, okay, you you! I saw your fight and you went down like a true warrior: okay, um! Let’S go on to the next um image.

Let’S go on to the next image up, so there it is that’s the blow that ended it! So um i mean for my listeners coming in.

I i’m very passionate about how it went down how with jeanette zakarius that night because number one they knew she was gun, they knew she was gon na get knocked out.

She was picked to get knocked out, so this is why everybody is responsible, like the whole team.

The ref knew right, and so, instead of looking to preserve the life and health of both fighters in the ring, which is what his damn job is.

I i just put this picture up, but y’all who are listening in.

Please go look at the pictures right.

The pictures you will see that the ref is there standing and watching jeanette get this damage she’s getting punched and when she’s getting punched right when you’re in the ring, and – and you see that this is the thing.

This is how you determine whether somebody’s in a fight or not when somebody gets punched and they’re ch and their head pops back all the way back and their eyes are closed.

They are gone.

They’Re done they’re, not in the fight right, she’s, not popping up, she’s, not alert.

The ref is looking at this and he’s still allowed marie pierre or whatever your last name is to beat on the girl when he could have stopped the fight and preserved this young lady’s life, and i’m gon na speak on it.

Because my fight versus jessica mccaskill was that it was an unwarranted stoppage right they jumped in and stopped that i was up.

I was alert, i was talking to the ref and they stopped my fight.

This girl was out on her feet.

Eyes closed head, but head snapped back and the ref because he wants, because yvonne and them want this fantastic, glorious, knockout victory for marie pierre watched.

This girl’s life leave her body yeah right.

I’M calling y’all on this saying what i said right.

We can like chime in on a wednesday at 7, 30 p.

m.

Anybody that know these people right dude come talk to me about come talk about it if, if, if i’m being um, if i’m being unreasonable right or if, if you’re somebody who marry pierre, who lays fan or whatever come talk to me, justify to me why your Girl is expressing you why your girl is a champion or or why your girl is champion pedigree by being a part of something like this right.

Some people don’t deserve it, and these people don’t and this fighter doesn’t she didn’t even set her ass down to respect the fact that she took somebody’s life in there at least hit your ass down for six months.

She was right back in there doesn’t go, it doesn’t work like that killer yeah.

I said it because you jump right back in there, knowing that you had that blood on your hands.

I’M sorry! Let me calm down.

I digress.

Okay, let’s get back to this! Okay, so um we we we, we won’t go back to this child, this injunction with chevelle hall back and and why now chevy is out here screaming that this is not fair, cecilia jumped over my head right.

Let me see the next image you guys.

Let me see what we got for the next image, so here it goes.

Come on, y’all, be good to me.

Um this next image is, is the actual fight.

Okay, so i’m gon na say for my listeners, chevelle halbach and cecilia brancos did fight.

They fought some time ago and they fought on cecilia’s break cecilia breakus, his home ground in denmark, okay, uh cecilia, was actually co-promoting her own fights at the time.

So she was she.

Her team was the team.

She was the promoter or she was one of the promoters and she was getting in there to fight okay, which is very, very um.

You know it’s very enterprising of her and very forward thinking and stepping of her as a as a woman in boxing now right.

Um, i i i thought that was a good look for her um, but in this fight what happened was she got her ass by chevelle hallback um? I remember being so excited about this fight, because i knew that oh yeah, this going to be the one chevy chevy going to take we’re going to take the belts from cecilia, our next image and peculiarly enough after the fight happened.

Y’All give me another.

After the fight happened, okay, there was no video of the fight that anyone can see or watch or refer to.

There were no pictures of the fight that anyone could see and refer to.

There was just biased media because i always talk about the women’s boxing media bandwagon writers, saying oh cecilia, brecas defeats, chevelle, halfac hallback defeats unanimous decision right.

Let me tell you where this unanimous decision was coming from.

Okay, all of the judges on that deciding panel.

For that fight, were you from europe? Cecilia breckus is a european champion.

How you going to have all the judges on a title fight panel come from the country of one of the contenders right, that’s the that’s the garbage that used to happen.

That still happens, but it was really bad back in the day because they knew nobody was paying attention in to women’s boxing, so they could get away with stuff like that right.

So chevy tried her luck.

She flew from her home usa to fight cecilia in her backyard and did a good enough job where nobody wanted to show it and remember right and now these there.

There are pictures out here on the web, because chevelle halbach’s team put it out of how cecilia breakhouse looked after the fight.

Okay and i’ma just put this description out there.

Okay, you see it and you’re gon na see it a lot.

I said it last time when uh the medusa, leonardo lin leonardo, fought katie taylor where medusa said, look at me and look at her.

I don’t have a scratch on me and look at her right.

You could.

You can see that i won the fight.

Well, it’s the same situation uh a lot of the times, especially in this in in in this situation.

Here what we’re talking about chevelle halbach versus cecilia bracas, so you see chevelle hallbacks.

Are you guys that are listening in, but check check out the the lives check out the video on youtube or or all the other platforms that my guys here at talk and fight? Uh put put my show out on okay you’ll see the image of chevelle hollaback.

She has just a little, you know a a little um piece of tape on on her eye and you see cecilia breakers hugging on her looking like bro from the goonies.

You all know who i’m talking about y’all know who i’m talking about.

Y’All know the goonies who, whoever who out here, has not seen the movie goonies.

Okay, sloth yeah mike you say it all right, so put this next image up.

Let me see if my let me see, if my guys did what i put the nice image up.

Let me see, did y’all put, did y’all put sloth up because i had to put sloth up.

Look, oh shoot.

Tell me they ain’t twins all right.

So right now for my listeners, i got the picture up all right and it may not be that bad, but cecilia bray, cuss and sloth from the goonies kind of looking like twins in this picture that my lovely assistant put together.

That’S what chevy! That’S what chevelle halbach got and went and did to cecilia, and they did not put none of these images out here on the internet.

But yet this broad is a legend child.

Please give me a break.

You lied.

You lied.

I got ta go okay, so um, you know.

Those are the facts.

That’S the talk right! That’S that’s what i i’m finding that very interesting about this.

You know this hot um, this hot topic in the newly live middleweight division, because you know everybody’s running there.

Everybody’S running there and the crone chevelle halbach is calling everybody out and i want to see it.

I want to see it.

Okay, so chevelle went and called out natasha jonas yeah.

She said girl, you still got.

I got i got some tricks that you don’t know about miss olympian and i like it too, because you y’all know i like i, i like natasha jonas as a fighter, okay um, but i like chevy as a crone fighter too, and i would love to see Them get together and and really um prove who the baddest broad is in that fight.

Uh she uh chevy’s, calling out hannah rankin and you know hannah hannah is hannah, got a little bit of um.

You know she coming out of the the hot pot where you know uh alexandria.

She she put the fighter alexandria.

What’S her last name alejandro, i think alexandra alejandro in the hospital she was in an induced coma.

I think she just got out recently, but we don’t know what the condition of um alexandra alejandro is, and i plan on following up with that, because hannah rankin and her promoters in them.

They came out speaking on behalf of alejandra’s um team, saying oh she’s, all right, she’s doing good! Don’T y’all worry about her and i’m like hello, uh, slo cool your heels, because you are not her representative.

You don’t get to speak for her right.

Alejandra could never speak for you and tell the public that hannah rankin is okay, so hannah, you can’t speak on uh, alexandra’s condition and and neither can your your um promoter.

So i think i mean money talks in these situations and what you guys don’t understand in women’s boxing is these women out here they’re going into the hot they’re getting beat up they’re going into the hospital.

Some are dying, some have died, some have been beaten so bad that they don’t have their faculties now and it swept under the rug because these promoters, these guys like yvonne michelle right these guys like hannah rankin’s promoter right, they got the money to make.

You disappear.

Yeah so now you laid up somewhere eating gerber baby food because your last fight you got set up in and nobody is around the care or tell the tale right.

Oh allah, it’s alexandra! Ayela! Thank you for the correction, my guys out here.

So it’s alexandra ayela that got put into a coma by hannah rankin.

So guess what hannah i want to say you do that with uh chevelle hallback.

I want to see you try.

I want to see you stand in front of a real baddie and do what you do since you, tough yeah, okay, uh, marie decare got called out by chevelle halbach after she got wiped by chev um by clarissa shields.

I i kind of had i kind of had my enough.

You know i i had my my enough taste of that right.

It wasn’t really exciting enough for me to want to see that girl fight nobody again, no time but she’s been off long enough where she’s been you know not on the spotlight long enough to make some adjustments and become better.

So hopefully she used that ass whooping.

That uh clarissa gave to her as uh a stepping stone or as a as an opportunity to say damn my ass got ta get better because i don’t i i can’t handle body beating on me like this again right, but she’s also a quebec fighter.

I believe she’s under yvonne michelle, so i mean they got.

They got a good.

They got a good matchmaker, so matchmaker, i’m talking to you, i i guess you can find another body bag or somebody else.

That’S right for the for the slaughter for uh decaray to marie, to carry to look good again, so we’ll see we’ll see, maybe right, but hopefully one day may one day you you, you just put her to fight somebody.

You know not, i mean clarissa shields is clarissa shields, but you’ll put her and um marie in in in some real fights, okay um.

She called out uh how about called out chris nevis, uh and, and chris name us.

This is the thing, though chris namas is a good contender out of argentina, but she she got, she got um slumped.

She got slumped by natasha jonas just recently and because she got slumped she’s suspended because any time you get knocked out, if they, if the commissions, do what they’re supposed to do you’re suspended for about three to six months, so your brain can heal.

So your body can heal y’all know i live in the city.

So what you hear in the background is just city life, okay, all right so um and it happens.

Every show: okay, uh! It’S not that i’m in a bad neighborhood.

It’S just that yeah, i’m by a police station, so um.

Where are we so um? Getting back to the topic? Okay, uh chris nevis is scheduled to fight mary spencer, okay um, one of my guys chimed in and said it does happen.

Every show: oh gosh.

Okay.

So um she’s scheduled to fight mary spencer this month, the 18th.

So hopefully that fight happens because uh mary spencer, i put it out there – i put the vibes out there.

Mary spencer, is someone that we, you guys are gon na want to watch.

Y’All want to see how this girl does in the pro game, because she was a very uh, highly accomplished.

Amateur and and uh mary spencer was that was the girl before clarissa came and knocked her off the the pedestal and took the crown yeah so still giving her her props.

You know just because that happened doesn’t mean she’s, a girl, she’s, not still a great fighter.

Keep a look out for her and then you know emma cos in it.

So i got ta say i didn’t want to say that i didn’t want to say this, but i got to say it because um emma cosin, okay, the thing about emma cozen is – and she brings light to how people are playing the game in women’s boxing.

Okay in women’s boxing either you are a damn good fighter and you win in the ring or you got a damn good team who’s winning outside of the ring for you right.

So you win the fight outside of the ring.

So when you get to the ring, you know, all you got to do is perform okay and emma kozin is one of those fighters.

Okay, her her resume is, or her record is, is packed and padded with four and 40 fighters, okay fighters that have more losses than wins: okay, um.

She, i believe who did she lose to y’all, come tell me.

Oh, she fought clarissa shields and lost to carissa shields.

That was her last fight.

Okay, but they went her team said no, no, we’re not gon na.

Let that happen to you.

You’Re we’re gon na get that win back for you and they pulled um sylvia zabados out the damn bargain bin.

Who is a 40 fighter.

I think uh zabados is like she has something like maybe four 10 wins: 60 losses yeah, something like that and she she tko’d um zabados, oh good job cozen.

So now you now your um record.

I guess is back! Oh okay, so zabados is 18 for 18.

.

18 wins and 18 losses; okay, so um that um.

So these are the contenders in the uh junior middleweight, division, okay and – and i suppose it’s gon na get back packed.

It’S gon na start getting spicy there and i like it, that’s a good division to get some action right because um you know these these women they they’re sturdy.

These are these are you’re going to see some power right, you’re not going to see you know glorified uh tag and hide and seek in the ring, because i’m i’m just i katie taylor.

You are darling, you are the darling of women’s boxing but girl.

I am through i’ve, seen i’ve seen it after this amanda fight i’ve.

I’Ve seen enough of you play, hide and seek and touch and go in the ring.

I want to see some real fighting happen happen right and i’m hoping that that will happen now in this middleweight division: junior middleweight division uh with these ladies uh, we know clarissa is a part of that mix and i i think we can get some good action.

Uh happening now in in in that now you know in there there are other uh.

My so one of my guys chimes in and said, katie is a track star.

Well ain’t.

She won’t won’t.

She take off into a damn sprint and outrun you in a fight.

Won’T she do that, i mean come on.

That’S that’s one thing and that’s one thing for damn sure like when you sign that contract to fight katie, you got to worry about getting knocked out or hurt.

You got to worry about what kind of running shoes you’re going to wear right, um because i mean even amanda’s get up um for for that katy taylor fight.

She looked like she was trying to cross breed between the being a boxer and and some kind of running person.

Yes, girl.

I went in on your outfit amanda it just it.

Just it just didn’t sit with me.

Sit right with me.

I think you should have looked fabulous.

I’Ve seen you wear better outfits to fight in and you had the center stage, madison square garden, and you showed up with that on we’re women at the end of the day right and at the end of the day, because we have been um, we have the Privilege, yes, we have the privilege of being looked at in that way desirable.

In that way, we should take full advantage of that show up as fabulous as you can be, and then we’ll pass okay, so um i’m gon na wrap up now, but there is an honorable there’s, a fight that i want to honorably mention on on.

This show right because man i watched this fight, i would with low with very low expectations for some reason and i’m sorry, but i got to keep it real with y’all, okay um it was the delphine pursuing fight versus um, mchalet, mcaulid, okay, and i think that Was a fight over there in dubai all right, let me tell you something: i will watch elham mchallen again and again.

Yes, so uh delphine person showed up right.

She showed up as the main event or she showed up as the main deal as the main name, but alam stole the show.

Yes watch that fight.

You guys reminds me of a young layla mccarter.

Yes, i am, and i’m – and i feel good in saying that, because now we have some ladies to refer to i used, i it peeves it’s a peeve of mine to hear someone says: oh she’s, a girl, roy jones.

She fight like a she fight like a diss, and it’s a guy right that so that means that we don’t even have enough skin in the game, for anyone to remember the style of a good female fighter right, because the the going trend for women’s boxing and And it’s it’s either you’re a track star like katie taylor and cecilia bregus, or you going in there and you you just throwing wild and you trying to bomb people out like how the majority of these fighters are trying to be this big.

Hitter and like you know, christy martin and all of them were right.

There’S no finesse, there’s no style, there’s no boxing, there’s no strategy that is executed, except for very few right sugar used to do that.

I did that.

I loved executing a strategy in the ring.

I love, love, love it and i love to watch a fighter.

Male or female execute a strategy.

It’S just different.

You know you if you know the game, that’s where the entertainment is right.

You see, you see the style, you see the finesse, you see the performance, you see how everything comes together, to a victory or to a loss and there’s that respect there right.

So it’s not it when you look at it that way, it’s not uh! It’S not about who wins or who loses you understand that boxing ain’t, a game that you play it’s strategy right it is, it is, will it is determination.

It is belief in what you’ve been taught in your strategy.

It’S that belief to know that i got the winning game plan and i’m gon na execute this bad boy and be the champion and be the winner.

It is the belief that i am, i am so loyal to my plan, i’m so loyal to my team, to my coach that i will stick with this strategy to the very end, win or lose.

Sometimes they win.

Sometimes they lose.

It is my guys chimed in it is truly a game of chess, not checkers.

Okay, so um elem, uh macaulay uh exposed person because pursuing got this jittery style that boom she get hit, but she’s in your face and she’s on top of you and she’s swinging, and she had this that she had enough grit and stamina to wear katie taylor Down and and and put that pressure on katie to where she roughed katie up she roughed katie up.

Okay, sorry but katie put katie put on a performance enough of a performance both times that um.

She showed that she had the best game plan and the better general ship than pursuing.